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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Yussupovs => Topic started by: Olga on August 22, 2004, 12:24:00 AM

Title: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Olga on August 22, 2004, 12:24:00 AM
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Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on December 22, 2005, 02:07:56 AM
Well, here are the pics.


(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8831/zinarus11wi.jpg)



(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/516/zinarus2ir.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 30, 2006, 05:31:32 PM
Someone had asked for pictures of Zeneida and her husband earlier in the thread.




(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/1882.jpg)

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 06, 2006, 07:15:16 PM
I don't know what is going on over at Ebay, but I found these two pictures of Princess Zenaida today.

I wish it was bigger and I wish the ruler wasn't in the picture, but hopefully you will be able to enjoy it as much as I did.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/3d_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2007, 01:46:35 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/vv_003.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on October 20, 2007, 05:37:55 PM
It could be Felix and his father never posed together alone because they didn't really get along and weren't close. Sad but true, it happens.

Now I'm going to post some pics I  had in this thread that went down with my fotki page. I found them again on a repaired computer, and if they are already reposted, I'm sorry. I'm just going to unload.

Here are some great color pics, I forgot who did them, maybe Lisa, just plain Lisa? Anyone claim them? Let us know.



Zenaida and Old Felix
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/yusscolor.jpg)

and again
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zcolor.jpg)

here's the whole b&w pic:
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/yp.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on October 20, 2007, 05:40:18 PM
Whole family
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/yusupovfamily.jpg)

Zenaida in another court dress
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zenadacrtdrss.jpg)

Felix and Zenaida
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zfyoussoupov.jpg)

Felix with Anna Vyrubova's brother Sergei Taneev at the Yussoupov Pavillion
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/yusupovpav.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 20, 2007, 06:21:50 PM
Felix and Zenaida
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zfyoussoupov.jpg)

Annie, when did you share this picture with us? I haven't seen it ever! Do you have a date on it?It's probably after Nicholas's death, right? Her clothes almost seemed to be like the one's one would wear during mourning, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on October 21, 2007, 01:51:42 AM

Zenaida in another court dress
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zenadacrtdrss.jpg)



Looks like a Photoshop work.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 21, 2007, 01:21:52 PM
Zenaida in another court dress
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/anniekit/Romanovs/zenadacrtdrss.jpg)

Looks like a Photoshop work.

I can see where the bottom of the dress has been messed with, but whether it's a complete photoshop work I don't know, I've seen it online for some time now.


it wasn't photoshop....but it was the same principle.

i did a few others around the same time i did that one.
it was a few years ago...back before this forum moved to where we are now (switched servers, right?)

anyway --
i took them down before the forum migrated here, but they're still popping-up to haunt me.  i still find it amazing how quickly they spread during their brief online life (in my hands, anyway).       i was in the Helene von Thurn und Taxis thread yesterday (i think that was the thread, anyway), and the FA had posted a link to someone's photobucket album (there was only one album...but hundreds of images) and i found 3  ---  one of which i didn't think i had ever posted.   i still can't remember ever posting it....not even in my (now defunct) msn group.   

they've spread just like a virus. :-(


btw, the image above, is a cut & paste of Zenaida, a reversed image of Daria de Beauharnais (when she was baroness von Graevnitz), jewelery & some manipulation to try and "smooth out" some areas.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 20, 2007, 08:44:59 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/yussoupovresidenceatts.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/zenaideatts.jpg)

Again from Ferrand.  Top: the Yussoupov residence at Tsarskoe Selo

                             Bottom:  Zenaide sitting outside at the residence in Tsarskoe Selo
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 06, 2008, 02:47:42 PM


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/1900zenaida.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/1890.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/yuszenstudy3.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenwdog3.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: loulia on January 09, 2008, 04:01:10 AM
thank you Ashanti, this thread is a very good idea! and your photos are great! what a beautiful woman!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: gogm on January 16, 2008, 11:48:07 PM
A good picture of her on a post card in full court dress turned up in eBay:

(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/6467/2242879760094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2242879760094285158DfHtCP)

This is a seller-provided blow-up of the center part
(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/39592/2334396520094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2334396520094285158fDqHOG)

Its a good image of court dress!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: BarefootContessa on January 17, 2008, 06:16:39 AM
She was so pretty!  Anyone know what year the court photo was taken?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: gogm on January 17, 2008, 07:07:08 PM
I wish I knew!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 18, 2008, 12:07:38 AM
She was so pretty!  Anyone know what year the court photo was taken?

I believe it was around 1880 -1881...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 20, 2008, 01:06:44 AM
 (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaydayoussoupov.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zennikyus.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 20, 2008, 01:10:31 AM
the famous 1903 ball...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/67dd.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/5c1b.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/b443.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/d75e.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/f975.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaidafelixball.jpg)

Hard to believe she was in her 40's when these pictures were taken...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Alexandre64 on February 10, 2008, 06:45:54 AM
Hello,
Photos of Princess Zenaide, with her husband and children:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Youssoupov/1170776425000161.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mari on February 10, 2008, 06:59:52 AM
Wonderful Photo's Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 11, 2008, 11:42:42 AM
Thank you for the wonderful pictures Alexander 64! Is there a way to get a better close up view of some of those pictures? I have never seen some of those pictures of Zenaida with her children, her father or in costume.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Alexandre64 on February 11, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
Ashanti01,
I can promise you anything, but I find vaisessayer expansion of these photos.

Alex
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 12, 2008, 10:59:20 AM
Thank you so much Alexander!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 12, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
wait,  was Tatiana older then Zinaida? I always get there dates of birth mix up?!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on February 12, 2008, 11:10:05 PM
wait,  was Tatiana older then Zinaida? I always get there dates of birth mix up?!

I used to think so, too. Some books refer to her as Zenaida's 'older sister' and even use her death as part of the "Yussoupov curse" where all but one heir per generation will die. I have seen it written that Zenaida, like Felix, was left the heir due to the death of an older sibling. However, the official dates are Zenaida born 1861, Tatiana born 1866.

Speaking of Tatiana, is she the other girl in some of those pics?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 13, 2008, 01:38:14 AM
I think that it may be Tatiana in picture 98 where I believe it is Nicholas Sr., Nicholas jr, Zenaida and Tatiana...at least that would make sense to me. On picture 97 I wish it was a little clearer cause I'm not too sure who it is...for some reason I want to say its Ella. However it was Tatiana it would great to finally such a good picture of the sisters together. I really hope we get individual shots of each picture.

As for Tatiana being mentioned as the oldest...yes this was some of the many 'errors' that were printed and taken for fact. It seems it has only been in the last few years that things are starting to be cleared up.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Alexandre64 on February 14, 2008, 02:48:04 AM
Ashanti01,
Unfortunately I was unable to find enlargements of the photos, but I will continue to try.
Alex
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: gogm on March 02, 2008, 07:46:29 PM
Wikipedia has this:

"Prince Boris's only son, Prince Nikolai Borisovich Yusupov (October 12, 1827, Moscow - July 31, 1891, Baden Baden), Marshal of the Imperial Court, was much like his uncle Nicholas I, a patron of arts. He first served in the chancery of Nicholas I. He bought a large collection of jewelery, including a 36 carat (7.2 g) diamond known as Morocco Sultan. The Prince later spent much of his time in southern Europe because of poor health, while also serving the tsar as a diplomat. While in Europe he bought much to adorn his palace on the Moika, including collections of violins and paintings. He married Countess Tatiana Alexandrovna de Ribeaupierre (June 29, 1828 - January 14, 1879), a lady-in-waiting to the Empress, daughter of Comte Alexandre de Ribeaupierre and wife Ekaterina Mikhailovna Potemkina, another niece of Prince Potemkin. The prince was also a talented musician and composer and was a member of several musical societies. In 1866, he published a book about the Yusupov history On the Family of the Yusupov Princes. A Collection of Their Life Stories, Charters and Letters of the Russian Sovereigns to Them.

When Prince Nicholas Yusupov II died in 1891, he was succeeded by his daughter, Zenaida, who was considered a legendary beauty at the time, as well as one of the richest; her suitors included the crown prince of Bulgaria. Princess Zenaida Nikolaievna Yusupova (September 2, 1861, Saint Petersburg, Russia - November 24, 1939, Paris, France) married Count Felix Felixovich Sumarokov-Elston (October 5, 1856, Saint Petersburg, Russia - June 10, 1928, Rome, Italy), General Governor of Moscow (1914–1915), son of Count Felix Nikolaievich Sumarokov-Elston. They married on April 4, 1882 in Saint Petersburg, Russia. After his father in law died, Felix was granted a special permission from Tsar Alexander III of Russia to carry the title Prince Yusupov and Count Sumarokov-Elston and to pass it to his and Zinaida's heir. Prince Felix was appointed adjutant to Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich in 1904 and commanded the Guards Cavalry of the Imperial Guards, and in 1914 he was appointed Governor General of Moscow. At the beginning of World War I the Yusupovs owned more than 100,000 acres (400 km²) of land and their industries included sugar beet factories, brick plants, saw-mills, textile and cardboard factories, mines and distilleries, in addition to more than 16 palaces and estates."

So the answer appears to be yes.

I would imagine that she would be considered a legendary beauty at any time...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 03, 2008, 05:35:19 PM
]Actually the pearl is the Regente...once part of the French crown jewels and bought by the Youssoupoffs in 1887.

Thank you for the correction. My source was "Nicholas and Alexandra," Sergei Mironenko, ed., a book published by the Hermitage. How odd that they would make such a mistake.

Here is the quote:

"The family jewels included the Polar Star diamond, the diadem of the Queen of Naples, the ear-rings of Marie Antoinette, and one of the famous Peregrine pearls that had once belonged to King Philip II of Spain. This is the pearl Zinaida Yusupova is wearing on a long necklace in the portrait by Flameng."
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on March 04, 2008, 02:04:22 AM
]Actually the pearl is the Regente...once part of the French crown jewels and bought by the Youssoupoffs in 1887.

Thank you for the correction. My source was "Nicholas and Alexandra," Sergei Mironenko, ed., a book published by the Hermitage. How odd that they would make such a mistake.

Here is the quote:

"The family jewels included the Polar Star diamond, the diadem of the Queen of Naples, the ear-rings of Marie Antoinette, and one of the famous Peregrine pearls that had once belonged to King Philip II of Spain. This is the pearl Zinaida Yusupova is wearing on a long necklace in the portrait by Flameng."
I have  copy of the same book..but it is obvious that the pearl...by size,shape and mount is wrongly labelled.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 04, 2008, 03:14:44 AM
Oh, I don't doubt it, I just find it ironic that they would make that mistake.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 04, 2008, 02:29:57 PM

Zinaida must have looked like her father, I don't see any resemblence to her mother at all...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 04, 2008, 07:44:16 PM
The shape of the eyes might have been the same...maybe. The mother was more attractive as a young woman. Perhaps it isn't best to judge by this portrait, but I don't really see any resemblance, either. Does anyone have a photo/portrait of her father?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 04, 2008, 10:40:35 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/nicholasyusupovsrchild.jpg)
Nicholas Yusupov as a child


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/youssoupof.jpg)
As a young man...but not a great quality photo




but yes...you can see that Zenaida took more after her father than mother...although both her parents were attractive according to all accounts.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 05, 2008, 12:22:38 AM
Thank you so much! I don't think I have ever seen a portrait of her father. She most certainly did resemble him.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on March 05, 2008, 04:24:26 AM
Thank you so much! I don't think I have ever seen a portrait of her father. She most certainly did resemble him.
It must be remembered that Zenaidas parents shared a grandmother the FIRST Princess Tatiana..so there could have been some mutal characteristics..that Zenaida inherited !!!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 05, 2008, 08:28:03 AM
It must be remembered that Zenaidas parents shared a grandmother...

I didn't know her parents were first cousins!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 05, 2008, 10:23:13 AM
It was hush hush although everyone knew at the time. First cousins aren't suppose to be allowed to marry in Russian Orthodox church, in fact I believe after they married an investigation was opened but an order from the Tsar had it closed.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 05, 2008, 10:32:13 AM
It was hush hush although everyone knew at the time. First cousins aren't suppose to be allowed to marry in Russian Orthodox church, in fact I believe after they married an investigation was opened but an order from the Tsar had it closed.

Wow. Was it because the Yussupovs wanted to keep their vast fortune in the family? In other words, was it an arranged marriage, or did the two really want to marry each other?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 05, 2008, 10:51:13 AM
Does anyone have a portrait of the first Princess Tatiana - the grandmother?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Valmont on March 05, 2008, 05:14:39 PM
It must be remembered that Zenaidas parents shared a grandmother...

I didn't know her parents were first cousins!

Are you sure?
Prince Nicolas Borisovich's grandmother (zenaida's father) was Tatiana Vasilievna Von Engelhardt who was Prince Potemkin's niece; On the same hand, Tatiana Alexandrovna de Ribeaupierre's mother was Ekaterina Mikhailovna Potemkina, so she was also related to the Potemkin family, if they were relatives it was on the Potemkin side but as of being first cousins????... I do not think so...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 05, 2008, 07:04:45 PM
Does anyone have a portrait of the first Princess Tatiana - the grandmother?

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/robertson18.jpg)

Portrait of Princess Tatiana Vasilievna Yusupova
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: gogm on March 05, 2008, 08:34:41 PM
I'm confused by all the Tatiana Yussupovas. The dress looks 1840s or so.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
Thank you! Actually Zinaida's mother resembles her.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 06, 2008, 12:11:01 PM
I'm confused by all the Tatiana Yussupovas. The dress looks 1840s or so.

I believe the portrait of Princess Tatiana Vasilievna Yusupova was painted around 1841.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on March 06, 2008, 12:25:48 PM
It must be remembered that Zenaidas parents shared a grandmother...

I didn't know her parents were first cousins!

Are you sure?
Prince Nicolas Borisovich's grandmother (zenaida's father) was Tatiana Vasilievna Von Engelhardt who was Prince Potemkin's niece; On the same hand, Tatiana Alexandrovna de Ribeaupierre's mother was Ekaterina Mikhailovna Potemkina, so she was also related to the Potemkin family, if they were relatives it was on the Potemkin side but as of being first cousins????... I do not think so...
I am sure..Tatiana Vassilievna Englehardt was married first to her mothers cousin General michael Potemkine..her daughter by that union was later Countess De Ribeaupierre and amongst her children were Tatiana who later married Prince Nicholas Youssoupoff  only son of Prince Boris  the only child of Princess Tatiana Vassilievna by her second marriage to Prince Nicholas Youssoupoff....Thus Tatiana was maternal grandmother to Zenaidas mother and paternal grandmother to Zenaidas father.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 06, 2008, 10:12:24 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/nicholasyusupovsr.jpg)
Prince Nicholas Yusupov, Zenaida's father.

I knew I had saved a picture of him some time ago. I believe Svetabel posted it a few months ago.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on March 07, 2008, 09:55:50 AM
I'm confused by all the Tatiana Yussupovas. The dress looks 1840s or so.

I believe the portrait of Princess Tatiana Vasilievna Yusupova was painted around 1841.
Tatiana Vassilievna was also painted by the celebrated artist Louise Vigee Le Brun...during the artists stay in Russia 1795-1801
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 07, 2008, 11:44:14 AM
I'm confused by all the Tatiana Yussupovas. The dress looks 1840s or so.

I believe the portrait of Princess Tatiana Vasilievna Yusupova was painted around 1841.
Tatiana Vassilievna was also painted by the celebrated artist Louise Vigee Le Brun...during the artists stay in Russia 1795-1801

I believe you mean this one

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/tatianayusupovpaintinglebrun.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on March 07, 2008, 06:28:12 PM

Prince Nicholas Yusupov, Zenaida's father.

I knew I had saved a picture of him some time ago. I believe Svetabel posted it a few months ago.

Thanks. Both this and the childhood pic prove this is where she got her looks.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on March 08, 2008, 09:13:22 AM
I'm confused by all the Tatiana Yussupovas. The dress looks 1840s or so.

I believe the portrait of Princess Tatiana Vasilievna Yusupova was painted around 1841.
Tatiana Vassilievna was also painted by the celebrated artist Louise Vigee Le Brun...during the artists stay in Russia 1795-1801

I believe you mean this one

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/tatianayusupovpaintinglebrun.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/tatianayusupovpaintinglebrun.jpg)

Thats the one..thankyou Ashanti...the original was sold by the Soviets and ended up in the USA....Mme Lebrun also painted Tatianas sister Countess Ekaterina Skavronskaya (Musee Jacquemart-Andre,Paris) and another of Zenaidas ancestors...Her greatgrandmother ,Mlle Ladomirsky,later Mme Narishkine(the mother of her grandmother Zenaida)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on April 09, 2008, 04:13:56 PM
The Yussoupov boys, especially Felix, disliked hunting, and it seems to show in the way they're 'holding' their guns!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 14, 2008, 07:26:05 PM
Well, the Ferrand book has appeared on ebay and its up for grabs for only $400.00!!!! Yes $400.00! If I had the money I would buy it only because I've been searching for it for years. One of the 'previews' it gives is this delightful picture, which I had never seen except the painting. Wish it was better quality but it was the best I could do.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaidaincostume.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 14, 2008, 08:13:35 PM
$400?!! Ugh. Too rich for my blood or I’d buy it and share a few of the photos. I guess I should hold on to my copy of one of Ferrand’s other books for dear life. Thank you for posting the picture of Zina, regardless  of the quality. Sorry the book you wanted so badly is still out of reach! ;-(
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 14, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
$400?!! Ugh. Too rich for my blood or I’d buy it and share a few of the photos. I guess I should hold on to my copy of one of Ferrand’s other books for dear life. Thank you for posting the picture of Zina, regardless  of the quality. Sorry the book you wanted so badly is still out of reach! ;-(

You know the must horrible thing is that I really, really want that book!!! If I knew I could charge it to my credit card and not have to explain it to my husband, I would do it in a heartbeat. But explaining a $400.00 charge for a book, would never fly with him and he's the history lover!

There's also a picture of Xenia in old age that I've never seen before in the book. Rather off topic but not totally. Anyway, I think this is just one of those books that would have tons of pictures that several people would love to see.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/gdxeniaferrandbook.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 17, 2008, 03:25:30 AM
This portrait was painted of Zinaida by Francois Flameng in 1894. She is wearing one of the famous Peregrine pearls, once the property of King Philip II of Spain.

(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/13867/2888872290094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2888872290094285158pTQJtf)

Actually the pearl is the Regente...once part of the French crown jewels and bought by the Youssoupoffs in 1887.

You are correct, and so am I...sort of. She was wearing the Peregrine Pearl, however, I misidentified which pearl was the Peregrine.  It was correctly identified on a German website discussing her jewelry.
http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/jussupov/pelegrina-jussupov.htm
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on May 02, 2008, 08:50:25 PM

Thanks to Brian I was able to get a better quality verison of this picture.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/yuszenfolkcostume1887.jpg)

It appears this was taken in 1887 when she would have been pregnant with Felix.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on May 02, 2008, 08:57:53 PM
I don't know if these pics are 1887. She was only pregnant for 3 months of that year, Jan-Feb-March and those would have been her fattest months.

Does anybody know what other years she was pregnant with her babies who died? I have never seen it written down.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 02, 2008, 09:14:35 PM
I don't know if these pics are 1887. She was only pregnant for 3 months of that year, Jan-Feb-March and those would have been her fattest months.

Does anybody know what other years she was pregnant with her babies who died? I have never seen it written down.

Feliks was born in march of 1887.   and don't forget, women continued to wear their corsets right up until their "confinement" (or almost, anyway.)


PRINCES YOUSSOUPOFF & COMTES SOUMAROKOFF-ELSTON says 3 infants died "en bas âge" ("in low age" / ie: died in infancy), but as far as i can tell gives no dates.   i don't have the various Yusupov bios handy -- perhaps dates are given in those?



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/yuszenfolkcostume1887.jpg)

It appears this was taken in 1887 when she would have been pregnant with Felix.

here's monsieur Ferrand's caption for this foto:
"la comtesse Zenaide Sumarokoff-Elston, née princesse Youssoupoff, en 1887, dans l'attente de la naissance de son second fils Félix."

which roughly translates as: "the countess Zenaide Sumarokoff-Elston, born Youssoupoff princess, in 1887, awaiting of the birth of her second son Felix."
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Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mari on May 03, 2008, 03:38:11 AM
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NOTE: personally, i've given-up being concerned whether that pearl is the peregrina, pelegrina or the *#%@ ballerina!!    no-one can seem to agree and everyone believes their answer is the right one -- abercorn.  phillip II.  elizabeth taylor.  yusupov.  --      feh.       --  i've started calling the stupid thing (beautiful though it is) the perepela.  :-)  :)
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Yes, I ended up in a discussion some time ago with another poster and I had to laugh once I read this. Maybe perepela is the best answer...since I stayed more confused ...once I tried to research it.  ;D
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on May 03, 2008, 12:36:03 PM
This portrait was painted of Zinaida by Francois Flameng in 1894. She is wearing one of the famous Peregrine pearls, once the property of King Philip II of Spain.

(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/13867/2888872290094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2888872290094285158pTQJtf)

Actually the pearl is the Regente...once part of the French crown jewels and bought by the Youssoupoffs in 1887.

You are correct, and so am I...sort of. She was wearing the Peregrine Pearl, however, I misidentified which pearl was the Peregrine.  It was correctly identified on a German website discussing her jewelry.
http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/jussupov/pelegrina-jussupov.htm
No the pearl is defintely the Regente...it was sold a couple of years ago and it was obvious from the catalogue pics that it was not the Pelegrina (which I saw in May 1987, when it was sold by Christies, Geneva).The Pelegrina was smaller,more ovoid and did not have as ornate a diamond surmount....this subject has already been discussed...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on May 27, 2008, 12:04:42 AM
Not sure if this one has been posted but I do believe others from the set have.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaidaanav.jpg)
Zenaida y Ana around 1908
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 08, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/ellazenaidaserge.jpg)
Does anyone know where I can find a better picture of this? It appears to have Ella and Zenaida at the front and Felix Sr and Serge in the back row, as well as Maria and Dmitry.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on July 13, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/ellazenaidaserge.jpg)
Does anyone know where I can find a better picture of this? It appears to have Ella and Zenaida at the front and Felix Sr and Serge in the back row, as well as Maria and Dmitry.

Oh, great find! Thanks for posting! I hope you get a better one too.

Where is Felix?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 15, 2008, 11:08:12 AM
FOUND IT !!!!! As you can see a much better quality picture where you can clearly see Felix Sr, Serge, Dmitry, Maria, Ella and Zenaida. Don't know where Felix or Nicholas are...maybe they were running around doing their own thing?

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Ella/grouppicsergezenaidawm.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on July 15, 2008, 08:05:58 PM
Beautiful, Ashanti, thanks!

You're probably right about Felix and his brother, they must have been out having a good time.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 22, 2008, 07:45:50 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zk2.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 23, 2008, 10:22:30 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zk1wm.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 23, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zkoreiz1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zk.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Russka Princess on July 23, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
can it be that the woman with Sinaida, is her sister Tatiana ?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on July 23, 2008, 11:43:36 AM
can it be that the woman with Sinaida, is her sister Tatiana ?

Her sister Tatiana is in the portrait behind Zenaida. Tatiana died young.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 23, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
Tatiana died in 1888, I believe. The pictures were taken around 1899-1901.

Svetabel is correct, the portrait behind Zenaida is that of her sister Tatiana.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zkoreiz.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annie on July 23, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
You keep finding more, how do you do it? Lovely!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 24, 2008, 03:32:01 PM
Awesome.  :) :D
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on July 25, 2008, 11:01:31 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zkoreiz1.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zkoreiz1.jpg)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zk.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zk.jpg)

I think the lady could well be Zenaida's great friend Madame Michael Rodzianko nee Princess Marie Galitzine.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: tom_romanov on July 25, 2008, 11:28:11 AM
can someone please clear this upfor me- was Zinadia yusuopva felix's mother? i only herd of her the other day! :-[  thanks for ny help! :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 25, 2008, 11:38:21 AM
Yes, Zenaida Yusupov is the mother of Felix Yusupov. 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on July 26, 2008, 11:09:18 AM
can someone please clear this upfor me- was Zinadia yusuopva felix's mother? i only herd of her the other day! :-[  thanks for ny help! :)
Yes Zinaida was Felix's mother and Princess Youssoupoff by birth...born in 1861 she married Count SoumarokovElston who was allowed to become Prince Youssoupoff to top her family from becoming extinct..she died in Paris in 1939
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: tom_romanov on July 28, 2008, 10:19:05 AM
so it was her clothes that felix dressed up in?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on July 28, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
I think he wore his mothers jewels and dressed in the clothes of his brothers mistress...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: tom_romanov on July 29, 2008, 05:05:43 AM
I think he wore his mothers jewels and dressed in the clothes of his brothers mistress...


yes i remember  correctly he broke/lost his mothers pearls and thats when his family found out he cross-dressed
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 07, 2008, 07:34:41 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Youssoupov/Zenaide.jpg)

Excuser me in the wrong quality of the photo
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 07, 2008, 11:29:34 PM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Youssoupov/Zenaide.jpg)

Excuser me in the wrong quality of the photo

Beautiful!!

Do you knwo the year the photo was taken? Also where did you find it, if I may ask?

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Victory_L on September 10, 2008, 03:43:23 PM
Please! Who is little dog in photo? Please, still heven photos Zinaida and this little dog? It is possible by e-mail: lng-home@mail.ru
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on January 07, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/zina.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 07, 2009, 03:41:48 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/zina.jpg)

Beautiful, Svetabel just beautiful...

Thanks for sharing this image. Do you know the year this picture was taken?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on January 07, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
No, this time I don't know. I think that's a fancydress, though not quite sure.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 08, 2009, 01:53:42 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/yuszennikcrt-drssx2.jpg)
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the princess Zenaïda Nikolaevna Yusupova

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i know for a fact, one -- & i'm pretty sure, both, -- have been posted before;  however, i had never seen them shown as a pair (and i had only seen one of them as a full-length image.   granted, there's not a whole lot of difference between the two --- i think all she did was turn her head so she could gaze in a different direction--- but hey, i still think it's nifty.
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also:
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i've been assuming the order (& sash/ribbon) she's wearing here, is the same that her ancestress, Tatiana Aleksandrovna, wore in her portraits, though, in all likelihood, it's probably not the same physical item.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-Capture15.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-Capture13.jpg)
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here's my question:
can anyone tell me what order it is?    was it inherited?     and did the sash/ribbon signify a particular class (or level) of the order?
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thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on January 08, 2009, 04:34:38 AM

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here's my question:
can anyone tell me what order it is?    was it inherited?     and did the sash/ribbon signify a particular class (or level) of the order?
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thanks in advance. [/color]


That looks like an encipher (order) of ladies-in-waiting of Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, spouse of Nicholas I.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 08, 2009, 05:46:02 AM

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here's my question:
can anyone tell me what order it is?    was it inherited?     and did the sash/ribbon signify a particular class (or level) of the order?
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thanks in advance. [/color]


That looks like an encipher (order) of ladies-in-waiting of Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, spouse of Nicholas I.


very probably correct.  but what i meant specifically, was this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/CMCapture46.jpg)


my fault --- i don't really know why i included the empress' encipher/badges in the images in the first place...

ZN looks too young, though, to be a lady-in-waiting & i've never seen a maid-of-honour wearing a diagonal sash.
those usually belong to one of the Orders of Saint-Insertname Here...

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on January 09, 2009, 08:53:49 AM

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 09, 2009, 08:31:22 PM

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.


did you know she had that order?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on January 10, 2009, 02:34:12 AM

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.


did you know she had that order?

I haven't find any info on that. Actually most of ladies-in-waiting (maid-in-honours) were obliged to wear enciphers on the Andrew's ribbon.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 27, 2009, 12:48:34 AM
I am quite puzzled by the POTENTIAL identification given concerning the ribband and badge of the order as that of Saint Andrew the First Called.  The ribband of St. Andrew was, to my knowledge, not bi-colored, rather it was plain shade of blue very much like the shoulder bow with cypher shown here.  The "badge" shown here that connects the 2 pieces of the ribband, is in my opinion, not that of St. Andrew.  St. Andrew's crucified image was depicted against a black double-headed eage as a SASH badge.  The star of the order was rather plainer.  I cannot determine from these illustration/s that this subject is wearing a star of St. Andrew.  AND finally, were women accepted into the Order of Saint Andrew (unless a sole reigning empress was considered head of the order and thus entitled to the insignia)?  Given all the foregoing, is it possible that this WAS a "feminine" adaption of Saint Andrew's ribband at express command of the head of the Order?  I have personally seen a few of authentic, as well as many replicas and photos of the insignia of the Order of Saint Andrew, but I cannot find any reference to this particular ensemble and would welcome any clarification.   Regards,  AP
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 09, 2009, 05:11:08 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_zinaida.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/zinaida.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_zinaportrait.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/zinaportrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Condecontessa on March 10, 2009, 11:47:49 AM
Thanks Grand Duchess Ally!!! Those 2 pics are totally new for me.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 10, 2009, 03:13:39 PM
correction...i can only see one child in the picture. Not sure if its Felix or Nicholas

it wasn't necessary to have all the subjects there for a sitting.   they were often done individually -- however, the preliminary sketches might be done w/ all subjects present.  but the followup sittings, could be done seperately.


...or is that not what you meant? 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 16, 2009, 12:23:29 AM
correction...i can only see one child in the picture. Not sure if its Felix or Nicholas

it wasn't necessary to have all the subjects there for a sitting.   they were often done individually -- however, the preliminary sketches might be done w/ all subjects present.  but the followup sittings, could be done seperately.


...or is that not what you meant? 

Yes and no,  At first I had believed that both boys were in the picture but then I realized only one was in the picture. I did question if one of the boys was sketched and later painted in. Thanks for the info Brian
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Lemur on March 16, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
The painting is from 1894 and the boy is Felix. Doesn't someone have the color version of this painting saved, I am sure I've seen it posted here before.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annetta on March 22, 2009, 12:26:47 PM
Zinaida and Elizabeth, i hope this pic is new for the topic
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv155/Annetta_apforum/DSC04989.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on March 23, 2009, 06:05:59 AM
Zinaida and Elizabeth, i hope this pic is new for the topic

And the man is GD Sergei. I had posted the picture, on another  thread though.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Annetta on March 24, 2009, 03:50:15 PM
in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

To be honesty, i did not know anything about this order. But its story seemed me to be interesting. I asked some specialist, so they said:
ORDER OF THERESA
Established by Queen Theresa of Bavaria on December 12, 1827 for impoverished, unmarried daughters of the nobility. The recipient received a pension of three hundred florins a year until she married. This Order could also be granted to noble ladies of foreign birth, but when this was done there was no remuneration.
BADGE: Gold rimmed, white bordered, light blue enamel cross. Between the arms are blue and white lozenges. Center medallion portrays the letter T (initial of founder) surrounded by a green wreath. Badge is suspended from a gold crown. Reverse center medallion bears the date of founding in gold on white enamel.
STAR: None.
RIBBON: White with two broad light blue border stripes, each of which has a narrow white stripe toward inner edge. Narrow white borders.

but i dont know what was it given for to Yusupovs women.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on March 31, 2009, 09:45:59 AM
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8048/youssupov.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 06, 2009, 01:50:26 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/closeup-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 28, 2009, 07:11:18 PM
Zenaida and Nicholas II

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/B968K0.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on August 10, 2009, 06:46:31 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_zinaportrait.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/zinaportrait.jpg)

What a great photo. Thanks for posting it. It's very interesting to see the sitter with this well known portrait of her in it's original setting.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 21, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
I agree completely with katmaxoz, this photo that Ally posted of Zenaide is completely new for me, I like it very much,
the portrait that appears behind her is really nice too. Thank you very much for post it!!! :-) The other photos are good too!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 22, 2009, 01:45:26 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaidararepic-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 23, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zen1-1-1.jpg)
a better quality of a previously posted photo

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 24, 2009, 10:53:56 PM
These pictures almost caused me to fall off my chair. I recently came across a documentary which I believed is called 'Yusupov woman' at least that's what I understood it to mean, (I'm still trying to learn Russian). Well, I took some screen shots which I edited and watermarked to avoid seeing them pop on ebay. Had never seen these photos before and was really anxious to share them.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/Capture1-1.jpg)




Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 24, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
Im SO colorizing the second one. Any chance to get it without mark? I just will post the colorized version ;)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 25, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/watermark/Capture13-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 25, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Im SO colorizing the second one. Any chance to get it without mark? I just will post the colorized version ;)

May I please have the same request? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 25, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
Im SO colorizing the second one. Any chance to get it without mark? I just will post the colorized version ;)

May I please have the same request? Thank you in advance!

Done. Check your inbox.

I would love to see that picture colorized. Good luck.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 02, 2009, 02:18:13 PM
What nice photos!! Zinaida looks really cute on them. She was really elegant, her dresses, her
accesories and her jewels are really beautiful ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 03, 2009, 12:55:26 PM
(http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx311/zenayda1/watermark/Capture4.jpg)
One her best pictures, IMO
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 03, 2009, 09:50:48 PM
wonderful photos, thanks for sharing. :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on October 04, 2009, 06:48:55 PM
oh my gosh she looks just like felix in these pictures!! i never realized how similar they resembled each other  :o
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: aor on October 06, 2009, 09:52:55 AM
Just such amazing photo's!
thank you for sharing
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
I only wish there were more images of her. There is one picture I've been searching high and low for which shows Prince Nicholas Yusupov Sr, with hsi daughters Tatiana and Zenaida and his grandson Nicholas. So if anyone has it please share it with us.

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
This photo of Zinaida with her sister is lovely! Do you consider that they look like the each other?
I think that only a little bit
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
Well, I think Tatiana took more after their mother while Zenaida took after her father. Still they were both attractive girls.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Well, I think Tatiana took more after their mother while Zenaida took after her father. Still they were both attractive girls.
I agree completely with you ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 03, 2009, 08:08:27 PM
there are actually two more pictures of Zenaida in old age. one was posted by Svetabel showing Zenaida, GD xenia, Irina and Bebe and there was one picture of Zenaida from about 1924
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on November 04, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
there are actually two more pictures of Zenaida in old age. one was posted by Svetabel showing Zenaida, GD xenia, Irina and Bebe and there was one picture of Zenaida from about 1924
The pic of Zenaida with G Duchess Xenia is much later than 1924...Bebe is rather grown up and as Xenia is in mourning clothes it dates till after Grand Duke Alexanders death in 1933
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 04, 2009, 12:17:32 PM
there are actually two more pictures of Zenaida in old age. one was posted by Svetabel showing Zenaida, GD xenia, Irina and Bebe and there was one picture of Zenaida from about 1924
The pic of Zenaida with G Duchess Xenia is much later than 1924...Bebe is rather grown up and as Xenia is in mourning clothes it dates till after Grand Duke Alexanders death in 1933

I was referring to the picture where Zenaida is by herself taken around 1924 in Rome. You are correct about the picture showing the four woman together for it was taken after GD Alexander's death. 

 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on November 05, 2009, 02:29:57 PM
there are actually two more pictures of Zenaida in old age. one was posted by Svetabel showing Zenaida, GD xenia, Irina and Bebe and there was one picture of Zenaida from about 1924
The pic of Zenaida with G Duchess Xenia is much later than 1924...Bebe is rather grown up and as Xenia is in mourning clothes it dates till after Grand Duke Alexanders death in 1933

I was referring to the picture where Zenaida is by herself taken around 1924 in Rome. You are correct about the picture showing the four woman together for it was taken after GD Alexander's death. 

 
I was not disputing yr date of the single pic..merely saying of the 2...the group pic was of a later date......I am sorry if it sugested otherwise
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 05, 2009, 03:29:18 PM
there are actually two more pictures of Zenaida in old age. one was posted by Svetabel showing Zenaida, GD xenia, Irina and Bebe and there was one picture of Zenaida from about 1924
The pic of Zenaida with G Duchess Xenia is much later than 1924...Bebe is rather grown up and as Xenia is in mourning clothes it dates till after Grand Duke Alexanders death in 1933

I was referring to the picture where Zenaida is by herself taken around 1924 in Rome. You are correct about the picture showing the four woman together for it was taken after GD Alexander's death. 

 
I was not disputing yr date of the single pic..merely saying of the 2...the group pic was of a later date......I am sorry if it sugested otherwise

I wasn't trying to date the first image because I didn't have the book off hand, but like I said you were right about the dates ashdean. No harm done. Just a misunderstanding on my part. 


Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 08, 2009, 04:16:03 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/Ferrand%20Book/hpqscan0006-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on November 10, 2009, 05:19:38 AM
That's a nice picture of Zenadia Ashanti, thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 20, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/Capture38.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on November 21, 2009, 06:24:24 AM
Is that Zenaida sitting for her portrait with Repin?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 21, 2009, 04:07:53 PM
I liked this photo very much!!! Would be a little bit difficult to stay without moving
for a soo long time
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 21, 2009, 05:10:48 PM
Zenaida is sitting for Flameng. You can make out Flameng and Felix Sr in the photo. There is another photo which shows Zenaida with one of her son's (not sure if it's Felix or Nicholas) and Flameng looking on.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on November 21, 2009, 07:29:44 PM
D'oh. I got my artists mixed up. A silly mistake. Thank you.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 21, 2009, 07:35:34 PM
It's okay, we all make minor mistakes here and there.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Youssoupoff/hpqscan0034.jpg)
Paris 1885  Zenaida & Elisabeth (Mignon) Carlovna Schouwaloff
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 23, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
Are there much images of Zinaida as a girl?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 23, 2009, 06:30:28 PM
Are there much images of Zinaida as a girl?

There are a few pictures of Zenaida as a girl, I can think of six off the top of my mind. A small portrait, a profile portrait, photo of the Zenaida & Tatiana, & two photos of a young Zenaida. You can find these photos scattered around in this thread.

I'm sure there are more photos hidden in the Yusupov Archives. I can only dream of accessing those archives one day. :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 03:05:32 PM
I remeber to see one or two here, I'll check the first pages again. Would be soooo nice to see
more new ones, I'm sure that perhaps there are more  ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 24, 2009, 04:42:04 PM
I went ahead and send you the six photos I had of Zenaida as a young girl. I too look forward to finding new photos of Zenaida and the rest of the family.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 25, 2009, 03:08:57 PM
I went ahead and send you the six photos I had of Zenaida as a young girl. I too look forward to finding new photos of Zenaida and the rest of the family.

Thank you sooo much ;-) Zinaida was a lovely girl!!!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on November 26, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
Yesterday was the 70th anniversary of Zenaida's death in Paris.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 02, 2009, 01:14:24 PM
I went ahead and send you the six photos I had of Zenaida as a young girl. I too look forward to finding new photos of Zenaida and the rest of the family.

Ashanti - do you think you could send them to me too? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 02, 2009, 03:13:33 PM
How old was Zinaida in her last photo? Please I'd like to know ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 02, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
How old was Zinaida in her last photo? Please I'd like to know ;-)

It's from a series of pictures taken in 1914 so Zenaida would have been around 53 years old. Possibly around the time of Felix's wedding?
 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 02, 2009, 05:09:55 PM
I went ahead and send you the six photos I had of Zenaida as a young girl. I too look forward to finding new photos of Zenaida and the rest of the family.

Ashanti - do you think you could send them to me too? Thanks in advance!

Of course. :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 03, 2009, 01:51:17 PM
How old was Zinaida in her last photo? Please I'd like to know ;-)

It's from a series of pictures taken in 1914 so Zenaida would have been around 53 years old. Possibly around the time of Felix's wedding?
 


Thanks for the fact, she looks maturer in this photo ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 04, 2009, 01:32:15 PM
She liked very much the dogs ;-) one of her paintings shows her with one
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Condecontessa on December 04, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
It looks like she's holding a cellphone (the last pic that Ashanti posted)  :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 04, 2009, 07:18:38 PM
It looks like she's holding a cellphone (the last pic that Ashanti posted)  :)

lol It does!!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 05, 2009, 06:05:16 PM
Yes, it's sooo funny ;-D
In fact.... what is she taking?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on December 09, 2009, 08:43:38 AM

(http://i50.tinypic.com/nqu42v.jpg)


(http://i49.tinypic.com/r9ip3o.jpg)


(http://i48.tinypic.com/2h87nv9.jpg)


(http://i45.tinypic.com/15gtsbc.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on December 10, 2009, 04:02:27 AM

(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/44265/2067850530102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2067850530102753164EEZKYh)

photo in 1901



Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on December 10, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
silly question; what color was Zenaida's hair?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on December 10, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
silly question; what color was Zenaida's hair?
Black..she had very blue eyes and a olive complexion.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
She had a great style at getting dresss!!! ;-)
A great beauty
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 15, 2009, 10:13:58 PM
Yes, she was indeed a beauty.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Valmont on December 16, 2009, 11:52:21 AM
silly question; what color was Zenaida's hair?
Black..she had very blue eyes and a olive complexion.
Are you sure?. I somehow had the impresion her hair was anything but black. I  had the impresion her hair was middle brown or dark blonde..
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on December 16, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
silly question; what color was Zenaida's hair?
Black..she had very blue eyes and a olive complexion.
Are you sure?. I somehow had the impresion her hair was anything but black. I  had the impresion her hair was middle brown or dark blonde..
I am quoting her son from his memoirs and the reminisces of Meriel Buchanan,Queen Marie of Romania and Victoria Lady Sackville all of whom knew her.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on December 16, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
silly question; what color was Zenaida's hair?
Black..she had very blue eyes and a olive complexion.
Are you sure?. I somehow had the impresion her hair was anything but black. I  had the impresion her hair was middle brown or dark blonde..
I am quoting her son from his memoirs and the reminisces of Meriel Buchanan,Queen Marie of Romania and Victoria Lady Sackville all of whom knew her.

perhaps she went grey rather early? and thats why we thought her hair was lighter ?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 16, 2009, 02:03:40 PM
Zenaida did have dark hair but she did begin to gray early. There are two small paintings of Zenaida which show her with lighter hair however the majority of her portraits show her with black hair. The same thing with Felix, some paintings have him with lighter hair while others have him with black hair.



(http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx311/zenayda1/Zenaida/Capture30-1.jpg)
(close up of painted porcelain with image of Zenaida)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 18, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
Why she looks blonde on the last pic?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 18, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
Why she looks blonde on the last pic?

There is one more image of her with near blond hair...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/zenaydayoussoupov.jpg)

miniature frame with painting of Zenaida. I can not find the colored copy of the miniature.  The image below is, if I remember correctly, an accurate coloring of the portrait.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/zennikyus-1.jpg)

I'm not sure why she was painted with such light colored hair. Perhaps the artists wanted something different, or perhaps she wore a wig?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 19, 2009, 04:35:41 PM
Perhaps is just a wig as you said or the painter idealized her simply!!
Anyways she looks beautiful with dark or light hair ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 11:32:51 AM
Zenaida

(http://i46.tinypic.com/rjfafk.jpg)

XL

http://i46.tinypic.com/rjfafk.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 29, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Zenaida

(http://i46.tinypic.com/rjfafk.jpg)

XL

http://i46.tinypic.com/rjfafk.jpg

Love them Katenka !!

Where did you find them? I believe similar one's were posted some time ago but the one's you have posted are larger and clearer. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 04:56:04 PM
Hi! a friend send them to me since he knows i love romanovs and russian story. He didnt know who the lady was so i remind a few pictures from the GREMB posted in this same topic but in different poses of her. I got more i will be posting this week. Here another

(http://i50.tinypic.com/257daxf.jpg)

XL

http://i50.tinypic.com/257daxf.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 29, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
Wonderful. I look forward to seeing them.

Would it be possible to get them without the mark?? Thanks
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 01:43:12 PM
Wonderful ones Katenka!!! Do the both pairs belong to the same photo session?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 30, 2009, 01:45:53 PM
i think they are ;-).

Ashanti, im sending you them as soon as i  got them unmarked cause i marked the originals!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:18:20 PM
They look as from the same session because the dress that she is wearing is the same (or so similar)
in both verssions!!! Do you know where is she?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 31, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
They look as from the same session because the dress that she is wearing is the same (or so similar)
in both verssions!!! Do you know where is she?

(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6897/bonjour2mr.jpg)

At first glance, I believed the photos were taken at Koreiz because of the layout of Zenaida's room. however looking at the exterior shots, it could well be Arkhangelskoye.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 31, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Its Arkhangelskoye ;-)

here the first you posted in  bigger

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2v3rbxj.jpg)

XL

http://i48.tinypic.com/2v3rbxj.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 05, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
Thanks for the information of the place ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 06, 2010, 12:24:50 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/1001600-1.jpg)
Anna Vyrubova, ?, and Zenaida Yusupova
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Belochka on January 06, 2010, 02:57:42 AM
What an interesting photograph ashanti01. Do you know the year when it was taken?

Thanks in advance,

Margarita  
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 06, 2010, 10:24:01 AM
I'm not postive but I believe its around 1908-1912. Zenaida appears to be in mourning her son was killed in the summer of 1908 however it did take her some time to recover so it could be a few years after the event.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: SweetAngels on January 06, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
ashanti10 that was a lovely pictuer of Zenaida and Anya Vyrubova
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 06, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
ashanti10 that was a lovely pictuer of Zenaida and Anya Vyrubova

Thank you Sweet Angels. Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 13, 2010, 05:24:37 PM
dress belonging to lovely Princess Yusupova
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/hpqscan0051.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on January 13, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
beautiful dress!! thank you for posting it, do you happen to have a photo of her wearing the actual dress? that is always fascinating
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 14, 2010, 10:58:59 AM
Amazing!! I was going to ask the same than you!! Would be beautiful to see a photo of the
pretty Princess Yussupova wearing that incredible dress ;-D
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 15, 2010, 03:16:07 PM
As of now, I have yet to find a photo of Princess Zenaida wearing the dress.  :( but, I'm Still looking.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on January 15, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
do you happen to know when the dress was made or where/when she wore it?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 17, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
I would like to see it, i'm sure that she wore it for an special event, it's very elegant ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Nemos on January 22, 2010, 02:32:48 PM
(http://s001.radikal.ru/i193/1001/e4/f685216ae391t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s001.radikal.ru/i193/1001/e4/f685216ae391.jpg.html)
Фото 1914 примерно ...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 22, 2010, 05:11:43 PM
Nemos thank you for posting the page. I had not yet seen the photo of Zenaida. LOve the photos you have been posting on the forum. What book are the photos from if I may ask?

Thanks
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 26, 2010, 10:04:34 AM
Zenaida and some other people

(http://i49.tinypic.com/hv9onq.jpg)

XL

http://i49.tinypic.com/hv9onq.jpg



Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
Who's with Zinaida??
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 26, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
No idea who s the lady in black and the gent in uniform, maybe Felix Sr?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 26, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
The man in the uniform , based on the uniform and body built appears to be Felix Sr. There have been other photo published of him & Zenaida in similar clothing. Thank you for posting the image Katenka
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 02:26:53 AM
The photos are from a Russian documentary "The Yusupov women". Previuosly Ashanti posted some of them, but as the links are broken now I am posting them again for those who had no chance to look at those wonderful pictures.

Larger version of the photos posted by Ashanti

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-01-57025.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-15-02715.jpg)

Young couple Zenaida and Felix-sr

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-19-32219.jpg)




Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Photosession of Zenaida and her husband

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-19-53042.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-19-50847.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/0-19-47451.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 02:56:17 AM
And a funny story about Zenaida from the same documentary.

Zenaida was a very educated and cultured person already at 7 years old as her mother always cared for her daughters' education and manners. In such a young age Zenaida could communicate easily with adult people and make conversation as a fine lady. Once upon a time a very significant person visited her mother, Princess Tatiana,but she could not enter at once to her guest and sent Zenaida to entertain that VIP adult man. Zenaida was doing her best: she talked to him about the weather, about some other insignificant things, she many times tried to interest him in refreshments - fruits,drinks and so on. The guest didn't care about little girl's politeness and looked bored. After exhausting all topics Zenaida kindly asked the man: "Then, if you don't want anything, possibly you want wee-wee??"...When Princess Tatiana finally entered the room she found her guest almost rolling on the floor laughing and on very good terms with little polite hostess.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 10:43:53 AM
Wonderful photo session Svetabel... Do you know the year? And what's written in the right side?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 08, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Wonderful photo session Svetabel... Do you know the year? And what's written in the right side?

That's the end of 1890s. At the right side is a watermark of the channel, which produced the documentary.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on February 12, 2010, 06:41:55 AM
at a picnic with Grand Duke Sergei

(http://i49.tinypic.com/65adjs.jpg)

http://i49.tinypic.com/65adjs.jpg  (click on this for the large version)

c1893 - Zenadia (the resizing on the forum has made this look worse than it is)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/orndrd.jpg)

http://i45.tinypic.com/orndrd.jpg  (large version)

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Chris_H on February 14, 2010, 10:41:16 PM
This is probably already posted, what did Princess Zenaida think about Empress Alexandra?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on February 16, 2010, 05:36:13 AM
at a picnic with Grand Duke Sergei

http://i49.tinypic.com/65adjs.jpg (http://i49.tinypic.com/65adjs.jpg)

http://i49.tinypic.com/65adjs.jpg  (click on this for the large version)

c1893 - Zenadia (the resizing on the forum has made this look worse than it is)

http://i45.tinypic.com/orndrd.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/orndrd.jpg)

http://i45.tinypic.com/orndrd.jpg  (large version)


The lower pic was taken at Arkhangelskoye in the room with the furniture from Eudoxia of Courland
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on February 16, 2010, 05:45:19 AM
This is probably already posted, what did Princess Zenaida think about Empress Alexandra?
Zenaida initially got on with Alexandra as well as anyone from the haute societe of St Petersburg...especially as she was such an intimate friend of Ella....later the 2 became bitter enemies...much earlier than WW1..indeed at Felixs wedding Alexandra seems never once to have acknowledged the beautiful Princess who had for long been the star of St Petersburg society and despite her retirement from festivities in 1908 was still an intimate of all that mattered....Alexandra seems to have snubbed Zenaida at least once more...at a dinner party given bu Grand Duke George and his wife Marie "Greek Minnie" at Harax in the Crimea.At the same time...we have the Tsar walking with his children from Livadia to Koriez to wish the Princess well on her name day (birthday?)....that in itself speaks volumes...
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 16, 2010, 07:27:55 AM
Please - again and again - Don't quote large photos and large posts with photos!


It's no fun for a moderator modifying such posts to make the page more readable.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Chris_H on February 16, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
Thank you Ashdean!  Didn't Zenaida refer to Alexandra as a sultana or something like that?  I wonder what caused this break between Empress Alexandra and Princess Zenaida?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on February 17, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
Zenaida called Alexandra "Valide" which is Crimean Tartar for mother...the cause of the breakdown?....2 very different personalities....a neurotic/shy/unsocial Empress and a polished/over mighty courtier....the catalyst...Rasputin.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Chris_H on February 18, 2010, 05:01:32 AM
Thank you again Ashdean!  Definitely two very different personalities. 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 21, 2010, 01:54:41 AM
"Prince Boris's only son, Prince Nikolai Borisovich Yusupov (October 12, 1827, Moscow - July 31, 1891, Baden Baden), Marshal of the Imperial Court, was much like his uncle Nicholas I, a patron of arts.
Does the author mean "godfather" or "relative-in-law" because of the Friedrich Wilhelm III-Elston story?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Windsor on March 15, 2010, 12:19:13 PM
There seems to be so little information posted about Zenaida after her escape from Russia.  I would be very interested in the following:
1.  Where were her homes and for how long did she live in each?  Did she own homes outside of Russia before & after the revolution?
2.  Did she primarily live alone?  How many servants?
3.  Was she active?  Travel?
4.  Exactly how "poor" was she?  Did she live a comfortable life?

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on March 15, 2010, 01:43:13 PM
I know that she lived in both Pairs and Rome in the years after the revolution.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 29, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
Zenauda and Bebe

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7526/18922994zinaidagranddau.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/18922994zinaidagranddau.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on May 30, 2010, 01:38:45 AM
There seems to be so little information posted about Zenaida after her escape from Russia.  I would be very interested in the following:
1.  Where were her homes and for how long did she live in each?  Did she own homes outside of Russia before & after the revolution?
2.  Did she primarily live alone?  How many servants?
3.  Was she active?  Travel?
4.  Exactly how "poor" was she?  Did she live a comfortable life?


Zenaida lived in Rome 1919-28 with her husband in a rented villa nr the british embassy.Her husbands ill health and the charitable enterprises which she poured the proceeds of the salvaged gems and the money from the sale of the villa on Lac Leman (inherited from her parents and her only property outside Russia) did not allow travel but she seems to have participated to a small extent in Roman society organising  Red cross balls and attending concerts etc.
After her husbands death she moved with 2 servants to Paris and the lodge of her sons elegant villa. By 1934 the family finances were in a critical state.The villa was gone and Zenaida with her pet dog and devoted maid had moved to a small flat in a home for refugees in the Serves district of Paris...one writer says it was 3 small rooms....However she seems to have lived comfortably here as a friend of her grand daughter recalled.In 1934 Irina won the famous MGM courtcase and the damages restored the family fortune somewhat...by the following year Zenaida's treasured Pelegrina pearl,the Azra and her pearl earrings were out of pawn and displayed in her name in London...On her death in 1939 in a comfortable nursing home they were inherited by Felix along with other items inclusing a substantial diamond solitaire ring and a emerald one...nothing perhaps to the former riches but still  of importance. The gems and the contents of the flat were perhaps her only legacy.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Windsor on June 01, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
Many, many thanks Ashdean!  This is exactly the information I have been seeking.  Sounds like she lead a comfortable life in her latter years.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on June 02, 2010, 11:14:30 AM
Many, many thanks Ashdean!  This is exactly the information I have been seeking.  Sounds like she lead a comfortable life in her latter years.
Personally I think the last 20 years of her life were mainly very sad (bt perhaps no sadder than many older people then or now!).....her lot compared to many of her peers might have seemed enviable....a de luxe exit from Russia...enough salvaged treasures to live comfortably if quietly and to help others.....but for the Princess it must have been unremittingly sad..her husbands ill health all the tensions associated with his decline...and after his death and the move to Paris although she was with her adored son and grand daughter and was comfortable in the small lodge...the increasing money difficulties...seeing the table silver pawned..the Pelegrina which she regarded as a talisman...often engaged and then having to leave her lodge....Hopefully in the home looked after by her devoted maid she found other congenial company ...they and her visitors helped fill and brighten the  days of her twilight years...and for the last 5 years or so the money situation thanks to the libel damages were drastically improved in that the threat of baliffs and Felix being under a cloud were improved.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Windsor on June 03, 2010, 12:06:05 PM
You make some very good and enlightened observations, Ashdean.  Thank you for sharing!  Zenaida is just one example of people that left the glittering word of Imperial Russia and made a life for themselves elsewhere.  It just makes one wonder if perhaps on some level some of these people were ultimately just as happy, or happier, than they might have been before.  One would hope that despite the loss of great riches, Zenaida for example, had enough to live a comfortable, fulfilling life - despite the challenges that often come with old age, etc.  I think there must be numerous untold stories of people that not only survived but thrived after the revolution.  Also, there are those that lived just as well monetarily - but those stores are not often told as they do not have the "drama" factor  :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on June 07, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Thankyou for the compliment!.
In my youth I knew someone very well who had met Felix several times and his mother a couple of times and never forgot this elderly lady with traces of her former legendary beauty and great dignity. Mary Rothwell the daughter of prosperous Mancunian parents had as a teenager spent 6 months at a Parisian finishing school run by a emigree Princess (I often wonder if it was that attended by Princess Marina and the Hon Dorothy Paget). 60 years later this lady who was like a third grandmother to me...recalled Zenaida coming in a cab for tea with the Princess....and she and another pupil being told that they had met the most beautiful woman in Imperial Russia.
Her memories of Felix was less starry she thought him rather affected and very demanding....an assessment that was not unique!
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 08, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
Little Zenaida

(http://i49.tinypic.com/5zjhc9.jpg)

XL

http://i49.tinypic.com/5zjhc9.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on June 22, 2010, 01:01:37 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/file-1.jpg)
Princess Zenaida 1914
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 22, 2010, 01:24:08 PM
Zenaida with Felix, Irina and other people

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2zrm7he.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Veronica on July 05, 2010, 05:41:22 PM
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6474/zenaidayfelixb10c5l.jpg)

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1137/zenaidac1b3l.jpg)

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/233/zenaidad98l.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 09:09:36 PM
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/44998/2472395340105766438S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2472395340105766438wjqqks)
Princess Zenaida
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on July 20, 2010, 11:11:33 PM
The last portrait is being displayed at one of the Winter Palace rooms, and even without marking that's Zenaida. Like an ordinary painting at the exposition about the Interiors.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 11:42:07 PM
Thanks for the info. I believe a copy of this painting was being displayed at the Moika palace at one point. Do you know who the artist is?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Veronica on July 21, 2010, 04:00:35 PM
In the painting, is she holding the Pelegrina?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 21, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
I believe she is. It's funny cause until I scanned the image and enlarged it, I had not noticed it in her hand. All this time I thought she was just playing with her pearl necklace.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on July 22, 2010, 01:02:11 AM
Thanks for the info. I believe a copy of this painting was being displayed at the Moika palace at one point. Do you know who the artist is?

No, don't know the artist.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 25, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/youngzenaida/hpqscan0042-1-1.jpg)
Nicholas, Felix and Zenaida

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 25, 2010, 03:13:04 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/youngzenaida/hpqscan0039-1.jpg)
Felix, Zenaida and Nicholas

*Just a note, I do believe Princess Zenaida is wearing her black pearl earrings in this photo
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 23, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
Watercolor of Princess Zenaida Yusupova at 1903 costume ball
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/1903/zinadia1903watercolor001.jpg)

enlarge scan from watercolor
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/1903/1903ballwatercolor001.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 30, 2010, 09:45:54 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Youssoupoff/Zenaida/Capture46-1.jpg)
Princess Zenaida Yusupova
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashdean on September 20, 2010, 02:58:35 PM
149 years scince the most exqusite of Princesses  was born in St Petersburg
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 20, 2010, 04:34:04 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/aitodorgroup001-1.jpg)
Labeled as GD Alexander and GD Xenia at a picnic in the Crimea. However the young man at the end of the table looks a lot like Felix jr. and the woman next to be appears to be Princess Zenaida Yusupova.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on September 20, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
the IDs are correct,though the young man is more likely Nikolai, elder brother.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 21, 2010, 01:58:43 AM
You are right Svetabel, it could be Nicholas. Thanks for the feedback. It's nice to know I have another Yusupov/Romanov photo to add to my collection. There are so little photos of the Yusupovs with the Romanovs I really get a thrill when I stumble across one.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 22, 2010, 04:48:55 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/1893huntzenfelixsr-1.jpg)
Prince and Princess Yusupov 1893 hunt. Zenaida Yusupova is the fifth person from the right. Felix Sr is third from the left.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
This is a beautiful image : It seems that Zenaode is giving something to those children, maybe eastern eggs or candies?

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6632/paskha.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/paskha.jpg/)

In the image can be also seen Felix Sr, Nicholas and Felix.

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on November 10, 2010, 12:12:34 PM
Yussupovs
(http://krasnykh.com/eng/images/stories/Y1891.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 08, 2011, 04:51:41 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/1914przemag.png)
Princess Zenaida Yusupova , retouched photo in 1914 magazine
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: rachel5a on January 09, 2011, 01:02:30 AM
doesn't really look like her
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 13, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/felixzen1914hspt.png)
Group photo showing Felix Jr and Princess Zenaida Yusupova in 1914.

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: larri* on February 11, 2011, 05:54:52 PM
Zinaida ca1866:
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/103/1886cazinaidayusupova.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/1886cazinaidayusupova.jpg/)

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 11, 2011, 07:52:30 PM
Larry where did you find that photo? THanks
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: larri* on February 12, 2011, 05:32:59 AM
Larry where did you find that photo? THanks

I found it on the digital collection of the Hermitage Museum. There other few photos of Zinaida. Here you have the link to them:

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/quickSearchDL.mac/DLgallery?selLang=English&tmCond=zinaida+yusupova&START_ROW_NUM_DL=1
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on February 21, 2011, 03:48:49 AM
Between the war and the birth of her only grandchild, it would have been more than enough to take her mind off her sorrow.

Poor Zenaida... :-[

I saved this picture a while back, but I've always wondered if anyone knew where I could get a larger version of it. I'm trying to make a scrapbook for my daughter and this small image isn't coming out right :-\

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/ca.jpg)

This has been posted but here's the largest version I've seen (click twice for an original size):

(http://www.picatom.com/1t/1903-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1t/1903-1.html)

Zenaida in 1903 by Stepanov
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on February 25, 2011, 04:10:56 AM
Zenaida painted in a minature portrait in 1907 by Vasily Zuyev

(http://i56.tinypic.com/qx9z10.jpg)

and a direct link to the image:

http://i56.tinypic.com/qx9z10.jpg


Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: RealAnastasia on February 26, 2011, 10:07:06 PM
I agree. Not Zenaida nor Victoria Melita. Just look at "Zenaida"'s eyes and nose...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
Thank you Patricia for sharing these with me.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaide06441lqgk.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaide06261.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zinayusupovachildporpaint.jpg)
Painting of a little Princess Zenaida Yusupova.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: THERRY on January 11, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Thank you Ashanti for these beautiful images. I love to see photos of Zenaida, like all beautiful things is always a pleasure to enjoy it  :)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Chris_H on February 11, 2012, 04:14:05 PM
[img(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture099.jpg)][/img]
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on April 13, 2012, 03:59:29 PM
Princess Zenaida and GDss Elizaveta Fedorovna. The exhibition.

http://www.rah.ru/content/ru/news-2011-12-12-18-35-01.html (http://www.rah.ru/content/ru/news-2011-12-12-18-35-01.html)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: THERRY on April 15, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
Thank You for the link , excellent images  8)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 17, 2013, 11:56:17 PM
Prince Felix with his mother, Princess Zenaida in Arkhangelskoye

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/d40e094bfbfb6b6d4974e6f42bc7205f_zps86b309b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 18, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
He inherited her beauty.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 19, 2013, 07:47:56 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/9075708626_d2397845d4_k_zps106acbc7.jpg)
Princess Zenaida
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 24, 2014, 10:15:52 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/zenaida/youngzenaida/_357_zpsf5137e67.jpg)

Princess Zenaida c. 1880's
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 23, 2014, 03:25:03 PM
Came across this portrait, labeled as Zinaida Yusupova. Is it really her?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelostgallery/6897360846/
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 24, 2014, 11:02:02 AM
No, its not her. The name of that painting is "Russian beauty in kokoshnik" 1890

http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/search/konstantin%20yuon/13

As an advice, dont trust in that flickrs labels, cause, mostly of the times, they re totally wrong. And when you try to correct him, he gets all upsets and blocks your flickr gallery.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 25, 2014, 06:08:36 AM
Thank you! Urgh.... why do people get upset when they are corrected? Nobody knows everything and I for one would rather have someone to help me with labels rather than putting out false information for the sake of my ego.....
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 25, 2014, 10:40:16 AM
Exactly. But well, some people prefer to live sunk in the ignorance, as the "curator" of this gallery
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on April 14, 2014, 10:35:32 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/9075708626_d2397845d4_k_zps106acbc7.jpg)
Princess Zenaida

what a wonderful image!!!   she's in her bedroom, obviously, but i wonder which house...?!

.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on June 08, 2014, 10:43:19 PM
The decor appears to match other photographs taken of her rooms at Archangelskoye.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 08, 2014, 02:34:34 AM
(http://f6.s.qip.ru/PGd9aEoo.jpg)
Princess Zenaida Yusupova
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
She was at the height of her beauty then.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: katmaxoz on December 24, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
Princess Zenaida looking at the Regente Pearl

(http://i62.tinypic.com/ne8aqo.jpg)

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2014, 11:11:23 PM
Think she took the pearl out of Russia.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Victory_L on April 20, 2015, 02:52:02 AM
Господа! Пишите правильно: не Zenaida, а Zinaida (Зинаида)
Lord! Write correctly: not Zеnaida, and Zinaida (Зинаида)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Dru on April 20, 2015, 06:17:25 PM
Господа! Пишите правильно: не Zenaida, а Zinaida (Зинаида)
Lord! Write correctly: not Zеnaida, and Zinaida (Зинаида)


I have seen it spelled both ways, and by some very knowledgeable people.  The French spelling is "Zénaïde;" I'm guessing that may be the reason for the "Zenaida" spelling.   
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on April 21, 2015, 12:13:57 AM
Господа! Пишите правильно: не Zenaida, а Zinaida (Зинаида)
Lord! Write correctly: not Zеnaida, and Zinaida (Зинаида)


I have seen it spelled both ways, and by some very knowledgeable people.  The French spelling is "Zénaïde;" I'm guessing that may be the reason for the "Zenaida" spelling.   

You are correct Dru. The majority of non Russian text books use the French spelling of Zénaïde, which has gradually become Zenaida, have even seen a few 'Zinaide'. While the correct spelling is Zinaida, I think the variations in pronunciation cannot be helped. It's the same with the variations of Yusupov (Yussupov, Yossopov, Iusupov, Youssoupov, Youssoupoff).
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 24, 2015, 06:34:10 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/50/bf/f7/50bff7848eac3e70e9c2fbdf25997b46.jpg)

Princess Zenaida c. 1880's

thanks to kantor.forum24.ru for sharing this lovely photo
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Post by: thebelgianhare on September 24, 2015, 07:20:49 PM
Beautiful girl.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 24, 2015, 06:31:30 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e2/19/a3/e219a33f2e1b98ec00e463feeb50a9a1.jpg)

Princess Zenaida Yusupova c. 1900
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Post by: ashanti01 on November 10, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
Princess Zenaida with the Dowager Empress, Grand Duchess Xenia, and Grand Duchess Olga. c. 1905

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e4/74/12/e474126b8ef79ab846cd24827c6e0d7d.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on November 22, 2015, 10:07:51 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/24/6f/b2/246fb2806612ad9b49b54229f7a1bd54.jpg)
Princess Zenaida Youssoupoff
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 02, 2015, 11:04:24 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/be/bc/80/bebc8082ca792f53130ac50b7674f2a3.jpg)
A young Zenaida, c. early 1880's (IMO before her marriage)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b9/af/aa/b9afaa030e58d83711ef1259f1dc0028.jpg)
Princess Zenaida with her son, Nicholas and husband Count Felix Sumarokov-Elston.

 
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: thebelgianhare on December 03, 2015, 05:46:50 PM
Fantastic family photos, thank you ashanti01

Has Zinaida cropped hair here? or just tied back. She loved those earrings
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on December 03, 2015, 07:07:11 PM
I recall reading that she had almost died following a severe illness which has been described as anywhere from blood poising from an infected cut to typhoid. Her recovery was considered miraculous according to her father who wrote about summing father John of Kronstadt to her bedside when it was believed she would not survive. It's after this illness that she appears more slender, with dark circles under her eyes and yes, short hair. It was fairly common to cut off your hair after a serious illness back then, so I believe this photo was taken not too long after her illness.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
I don ´t think this one has been posted before

Zinaida by Serov

(https://pp.vk.me/c628127/v628127718/17602/M3O__V1S0F4.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on January 15, 2016, 10:05:20 PM
(http://oldyalta.ru/uploads/posts/2015-11/1446480411_semya-yusupovyh-na-verande-koreizskogo-doma.jpg)
In center of photograph is Princess Zenaida, her son Nicholas, and Count Felix Felixovich Sumarokov-Elston.
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 30, 2016, 01:55:56 AM
Elizaveta Fyodorovna and Zinaida Nikolaevna

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/90f018e596259da25aa339e2c72cd2d3/tumblr_o1o7uzAdhC1rh07xwo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 11, 2016, 08:28:29 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2c/94/58/2c9458314f1e250c076eb05c8577d3fd.jpg)''

source http://klimbims.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 11, 2016, 08:29:29 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b2/1b/79/b21b797a0c303f5892b4a35fbb8e305f.jpg)

source http://klimbims.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 13, 2016, 01:50:55 AM
One more stunning one from the same source ( http://klimbims.deviantart.com )

(http://img10.deviantart.net/6ae9/i/2016/038/f/d/princess_zinaida_nikolaievna_yusupova_1880s_by_klimbims-d9qvagg.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 13, 2016, 07:45:30 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4b/0c/a7/4b0ca722183a3683ea94d608cec5fb3d.jpg)
Princess Youssoupoff 1890's
Arkhangelskoye museum

Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 13, 2016, 07:49:21 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b3/2d/ae/b32daedc194599e6c36cc2ddc44d0455.jpg)
Princess Youssoupoff late 1870's
Arkhangelskoye museum
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 21, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ab/6b/5c/ab6b5c9be2c443c9b22fcd14485b241b.jpg)
Princess Zenaida
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 28, 2016, 04:33:18 AM
(http://nd06.jxs.cz/682/071/a8a6bebd24_102575055_o2.jpg)

(http://nd06.jxs.cz/366/325/9e81efa216_102575082_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 24, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/398d3dfcdbc3b80596cb7c1619c36475/tumblr_o4h6mcmSEW1u2cpo1o1_1280.jpg)

Source http://lesyoussoupoff.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 27, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
Princess Zenaida
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c1/4e/f6/c14ef601b1d7178de6c665b469fe921d.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 28, 2017, 05:53:27 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c0/b5/04/c0b504b48a07a281e575c865acf19e46.jpg)
Princess Zenaida Yusupova by Valentin Serov
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 28, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a3/05/e1/a305e18a3c0849017dfee3db82bfcc8d.jpg)
Princess Zenaida Yusupova 1889 by V. Bobrov
Title: Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on March 23, 2018, 02:00:55 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/90dcd0d1535ab1414fe3027ea1d8ee70/tumblr_p5y2jzLu9f1u2cpo1o1_1280.jpg)
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3a4fdcc93471d1be31c1690628f58e1c/tumblr_p5y2jzLu9f1u2cpo1o2_1280.jpg)
Princess Yusupova