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Title: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: fernando giannotta on January 28, 2004, 09:38:35 AM
  hello
         im calling from brasil and would like what the real
color of the standard funnels, yellow or white.

   thanks
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: JD on January 28, 2004, 08:03:06 PM
Are there any interior photos of the Standart?
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: fernando giannotta on January 29, 2004, 09:07:44 AM
 hello
  thanks for all, if is possible i would like to see this photos
    of the polar star and standard

          thanks
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 02, 2004, 02:44:48 PM
There is a beautiful [& costly] book on the Imperial Yachts. Unfortunately, it is in Russian and I cannot type Cyrilic on this keyboard.
The colour photos make the volume a worthwhile investment. Many of the interiors as well as scale models of the ships themselves.
The ISB# is 5 8276 0016 4
I have often wondered what actually happened to them after the revolution. I read that one was used in WWII as a minesweeper or something, and that at least one served as a prison during the revolution.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: James Nicolas on February 02, 2004, 05:35:25 PM
Yes,  can someone advise what happened to the Standart after the Revolution ?
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Post by: Chris Snyder on February 02, 2004, 06:51:43 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, the Standart was at first a prisoner ship, (Anna Vyrubrova was at one time a prisoner in the coal room) and then as a mine sweeper during WWII.  Isnt it awful to think of the Standart (the most luxurious and envied yacht of its time) as a mine sweeper??!!  It was then taken out of the service and destroyed early in the 1960's.  If anyone has more detailed information, please let us know!
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Sunny on February 02, 2004, 06:59:34 PM
Have read that the Standart was used for target practice, and was literally shot to bits.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on February 02, 2004, 07:20:09 PM
I do not know if this is true, but I have been told that a lot of the interior fittings of both yachts were used in Stalin's dacha.
Most of the portable, i.e. china, furniture,etc. were sold at auctions. The china still comes up at some shops...very exspensive. What wasn't broken or looted was basically sold or used for dearly needed scrap.. Thus the fate of Imperial yachts, minesweepers, target practice.
Afterthought, there is a wonderful site at ...Beinecke.library.yale.edu/romanov that has literally hundreds of photos of the family, including many on the yachts.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: JamesHogland on February 03, 2004, 01:41:16 PM
There is an excellent web page on the yacht Standart at http://www.antver.com/history/standart. After the Revolution it was renamed Marti. It was dropped from Jane's in 1963 and apparently scrapped in Reval, Estonia the same year.In 1937 she was completely overhauled and rebuilt in the shipyard in Lenningrad.
The info about her fittings and furnishings being used in Stalin's dacha has a ring of truth about it.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: F.R.S.G. on February 04, 2004, 09:13:54 AM
 hello
 i would like to know who have the internal drawings or plans of  the imperial accomodations on the standard.
can send for me??????

           thanks fernando
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Sarai Porretta on February 05, 2004, 03:25:57 PM
For a good history on the Standart, check out this link:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/royalty/russia/yacht.html
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: David Newell on February 08, 2004, 12:42:21 PM
The Public Records Office at Kew London has a full set of the Standarts blueprints, these may have been moved to the Maritime Museuem at Greenwich. Nichoas II gave his Uncle Edward VII a set.


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hello
  i would like to know who have the internal drawings or plans of  the imperial accomodations on the standard.
 can send for me??????

            thanks fernando

Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: David on February 28, 2004, 11:28:55 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe the yacht that was used as a prison during the revolution- and even housed former passenger Anna Vyrubova- was the Polar Star and not the Standard. I believe the Standard was in the Crimea at the time of the revolution...but again, I could be wrong. The Polar Star was the Dowager Empresses yacht.
 
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: BobAtchison on May 08, 2004, 03:19:12 PM
I just read the following:

"Jack (Hoth) bought the Czar's yacht, and escaped with it, taking his beloved Alexander - the valet he gave me as a nurse in the Astoria - into Finland; then, landing on his feet as he always did, Jack came to England, married a lovely woman; and he was driving with her, in her Rolls-Royce, to winter on the Riveria, when he caught pneumonia and - Jack Hoth, of all people - died in his bed."

I wonder if that was the Standardt - no dates are given...  anyone ever hear this story before?

Bob
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on May 10, 2004, 07:35:58 PM
There is a site that has the history of the Standart and its subsequent renaming Marti and includes photos from Gangut Magazine 2001 and scale models:

http://www.steelnavy.com/CombrigMarti.htm

As they quote: "...the Soviet Navy couldn't ignore a vessel the size of a cruiser. Some practical use could be found for it..."

Joanna

Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: BobAtchison on May 10, 2004, 08:12:58 PM
It turns out this Jack Hoth sold rope to the British Navy....

Bob
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on July 13, 2004, 10:33:09 PM
OH MY Harald your website is fascinating! I am in awe of your model of the Standart! WOW!!! Will you be putting the exterior and interior photographs on your site?

Many many thanks
Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: standart on July 14, 2004, 01:09:49 AM
Harald,
Thank you for the link to your wonderful website. I look forward to seeing more pictures and reading more about this beautiful ship.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on July 15, 2004, 07:51:43 PM
Hi Harald,

Have you seen the interior photographs of the Standart in Anna Vyrubova's albums at Yale? There are five of Nicholas and Alexandra's suite that are of an exceptional clarity and others that are more opaque but identifiable to compare with your photographs.

Again my many many thanks for sharing your fantastic site!

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: standart on July 16, 2004, 01:18:33 AM
Hi Joanna,
I would love to see the Standart photos from Yale but I'm afraid I wouldn't know where to look :). Do you have a link for them? Thanks
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on July 16, 2004, 08:39:57 PM
Hi standart !

Here is the link to Anna Vyrubova's albums:

http://highway49.library.yale.edu/romanov/

If I remember it is album 2 that has the five photos of Nicholas' and Alexandra' suite but look through all of the albums as there are many of the standart that you will adore!

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: standart on July 18, 2004, 07:55:45 PM
Joanna,

Thanks for the link. There is so much to see I'll have to spend several days going through it. This is great!
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on July 22, 2004, 11:58:29 AM
Hi Harald,

Have you seen the six photographs of the Standart by the French photographer Chusseau-Flaviens:

http://www.geh.org/ar/chus/russia/chusseau-rus_sum00001.html

The fifth photo is a close-up of the bow (clique to enlarge) that I hope helps you with your model!

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standart
Post by: Sarai on July 22, 2004, 02:05:26 PM
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GD Olga was joining them and there are beautiful pictures of Olga's babyroom onboard Standart.


I would love to see these pictures, where can one find them (i.e. in a book or online)?
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Mike on July 23, 2004, 10:46:32 AM
Another image  (http://www.warships.ru/MK-2/MK-11/marti.jpg)of the minelayer Marti . For those who have never heard of this Marti after whom the former imperial yacht was renamed: he was a French naval engineer who led a mutiny of French sailors in Odessa in 1918 and was glorified by the Soviets in the 20s-30s.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on July 23, 2004, 10:00:04 PM
Hi Harald,

Have you seen my previous post of the Marti that has scale models? One photo shows the bow after conversion. And the plans on the site may possibly help you.

http://www.steelnavy.com/CombrigMarti.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on July 24, 2004, 09:33:25 PM
Hello Harald:

Whether or not the maker releases a model of the Standart will probably depend on their polical view of the Romanov monarchy.

Even last month several tour guides and taxi drivers in St. Petersburg did not want to take western tourists to view the Alexander Palace.  Their excuse was that there is nothing to see and why are you interested  in the last Tsar.  Old political norms die a very hard death.

Douglas
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Mike on July 25, 2004, 11:10:25 AM
The minelayer Marti was commanded by Captain N.I. Meschersky, who belonged to one of Russia's most illustrious princely families. He also was one of the two former imperial navy's officers (the second was Admiral Galler) who held command posts in the Soviet navy.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: standart on July 26, 2004, 12:08:42 AM
I have read several different accounts of the Standart's career but until I saw the photos of her after conversion to a minelayer I did not realize just how severe the change was. It was quite a shock to me. I know that when the R.M.S. Olympic was retired and scrapped that a lot of her furnishings ended up in hotels. Does anyone know what happened to the Standart's beautiful fittings? I have heard that some were used in Stalin's dacha. Is this true?
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on August 01, 2004, 07:57:43 PM
Hi Harald,

I have come across a book that may be of interest to you. Svetlani, Georgii. "Tovarishch Ego Vysochestva" [Comrade of his Highness], Nishnii Novgorod; Dekom 2002 ISBN 5895330649. "... Georgii Svetlani (Pin'kovskii, 1895-1983) served as a cabin boy on the emperor's yacht Standart, and was chosen to be a playmate for the heir ... This memoir is about this period of his life..."

Joanna
Title: Re: Yacht Livadia
Post by: Douglas on August 09, 2004, 09:53:40 PM
The Livadia was one of the most weird ships to ever sail.  It is even listed in a book about strange ships.

It was like a giant floating saucer.  In even the slightest sea the ship would heave to and fro like some drunken whale.  The design was called a 'turbot'.

It was built because Admiral Popov, was a great believer in this type of ship and he somehow convinced the  Tsar that  what he needed was a grand yacht built on this design idea.  What did the Tsar  know about ship design?  Nothing!

The result was 'total disaster at sea'.

She sailed only a few times....was tied up at the dock...the elegant furnishings removed and that was that.

Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on August 10, 2004, 09:58:06 PM
Harald and friends fo the yachts:

Yes, the Tsar was looking for a more stable design because of some family members that were prone to be seasick.

Yes, the Russian Navy did make some gunboats of the turbot design but they were a disaster.  It seems that they were so  unstable as a gun platform, that when the ship bounced back and forth the gun was either pointing at the water  or high in the sky.  It was impossible to aim the gun at a target.

The irony of the whole debacle was that instead of providing a very smooth riding ship with little leaning, he actually made a ship that was the exact opposite!

Instead of  stability, he produced a ship of extreme unstability.  To imagine how it was, just place a large tea tray in a swimming pool and make a few waves.  I get seasick just thinking about it.

Douglas  ;D
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: E-38 on September 11, 2004, 07:20:12 AM
You can read memories Olga Voronoff, wife of "Standard" michman Paul Voronoff  http://kleinmichel.prov.ru/upheaval.php
and foto "Standart" here http://kleinmichel.prov.ru/img2/pages/The%20Emperor%2C%20the%20Grand%20Duke%20Alexis%20and%20the%20Grand%20Duchesses%20Anastasia%20and%20Olga.htm
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on September 17, 2004, 12:31:46 PM
Harald:  Good to see you on this site after an absence.

Where should I look on my plans for the cow stable?  I have heard about the imperial milk cow.  

Also it was common to have live chickens onboard  for some fresh Chicken Kiev or stew.  These birds may have been housed in cages on the upper decks.

In photographs I have seen kittens near the stern dining salon. :)
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on September 17, 2004, 09:02:27 PM
Harald:

I will send you the photos of Standart this weekend.  Look for them  in your email.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on September 21, 2004, 10:39:55 PM
Here is a photo graph of the china used on the Standart.

Click on the link.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/standartchinaandglassware.jpg
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: ptitchka on September 22, 2004, 05:08:53 PM
Many thanks for the photos of the Heir!  May I ask in what book you found them?
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Post by: Joanna on September 23, 2004, 08:07:26 AM
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They are standing next to one of the six Hotchkiss saluting guns - As posted earlier I would love to see a clear picture of the gun as used onboard Standart. I'll guess I have to visit SPB soon again.

Harald


Hi Harald,

Have you checked the albums at Yale for a possible view of the Hotchkiss from another angle?

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Mike on September 23, 2004, 08:29:16 AM
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May be Mike can enlighten us.

Happily! I've just asked a friend who served as a sailor and later as a surgeon on Soviet warships. In his opinion (corroborated by a brief web research), Russian sailors used to go barefoot aboard ships with wood-covered decks. The only footwear issued to them were boots tapped with metal plates, which damaged the immaculately clean wooden boards.

With the advent of metal decks this custom was abolished, and my friend fervently denies having ever seen barefoot sailors on the upper deck of his destroyer - except maybe in the summer evening leisure hours.

Here I'd like to add that it's a distinct feature of the so called "Russian national character" to occasionally wear winter clothes (like sheepskin coat or felt boots -  valenki) in summer, and to go barefoot and wearing just a shirt in harsh winter. All that of course for short periods of time and mainly within one's own backyard.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Forum Admin on September 23, 2004, 01:48:51 PM
Tchagine did indeed commit suicide. HOWEVER it was not over this incident. He shot himself the evening of October 11/12 (OS), 1912.  He had never married, and earlier that season in Livadia, he had a sexual affair with a much younger girl.  She and her parents followed him to Petersburg, demanding something be done.  His only option was to marry her, and for that he needed the Emperor's permission. He resolved to go to Spala and explain everything to the Emperor and let the Emperor decide what to do. He could not face the disgrace before the Emperor, who considered him to be a very very close friend, and so he shot himself.
See Spirdovitch, Vol 2, Ch. 12 "The year 1912"

Harald, the correct term in English is "Rear-Admiral".

Douglas, quite the opposite actually. The IF felt very much at home on the Standardt, and the officers of the Standardt were some of their closest friends.  The IF had no reservations whatsoever about "mingling" with the sailors. In fact, the youngest sailors were often Alexei's playmates on their voyages. They often spent entire evenings playing games after dinner with the Standardt officers not on duty.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Douglas on September 23, 2004, 05:36:50 PM
Forum Admin:

It is my understanding that the IF did socialize with the sailors and officers of the Standart on an" invitation only" basis.  I have never heard that the Empress or Tsar would find themselves wandering around the areas of the yacht that were the domain of the crew.

If you have any references about this we would enjoy to read them.
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on September 26, 2004, 07:49:32 PM
Hi Harald,

In the remarkable site Rosizo that Thomas A. linked to in another post, there is a paragraph in an article on the State Museum of History of Jewellery Masterpieces:

"...The commander of the Imperial yacht «Standard» belonging to the Emperor Nicholas II wrote in his memoir: «…Dinner was served at 8:00 and everyone got dressed up. Her Majesty appeared in a mass of precious stones, and that variety changed from day to day; if Her Majesty wore diamonds, they were everywhere — on her head in the diadem, on her hands in rings and bracelets, and in various brooches. If she wore emeralds, they were everywhere, too; same with sapphires and rubies»..."

http://rosizo.ru/eng/japan/gim_jewerly.html

The article does not quote sources but I am wondering if you know of this Commander, the title of the memoir and whether it was ever published or privately printed and now in the archive?

Joanna

Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Mike on September 28, 2004, 06:49:50 AM
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Standart is shown here during her extensive trials just before she came into service with the Imperial Russian Navy.

Harald, she seems to bear an Emperor's pennant on her main mast - was Nicolas on board during these trials?...
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on October 01, 2004, 08:03:52 AM
There is a reference to Admiral Nilov. It would be interesting to know more about him and if there are any of his papers in the archives.

Vasilij Vasilievich Nilov, born in Saint-Petersburg in 1896, participant of 3 wars, in 1936 - colonel, in 1943 - artillery "break-through division" commander, during the war presented to the General of Artillery rank.
His three elder brothers: officers of Tsar Russian Army, oldest (Ivan) - colonel of Tsar Army. His far relative: Admiral Konstantin Nilov, flag-captain of Emperor's flagman yacht "Shtandart"

http://www.antver.com/history.html

Joanna


Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on October 02, 2004, 10:12:08 PM
Of Paul's photo number 21 of the topic AP August 24 (link is not working at the moment), did anyone else print it? This shows a large painting of a yacht that I think is of the Standart. Can anyone identify it and the artist? Was this painting originally in Nicholas' suite of rooms?

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on October 11, 2004, 08:31:49 PM
Here is a photograph of the Standart anchored at Sebastopol c1898:

http://www.az.ru/sevreal/histor/sinop2.html

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Forum Admin on October 27, 2004, 04:09:41 PM
From Elisa
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/1004ship.jpg)
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on November 11, 2004, 09:21:08 PM
There is a photograph of Nicholas in the uniform of Scottish Grenadiers with Edward VII on board the Standart in 1908 (clique to enlarge):

http://www.uk450.ru/highlevel.php

Can anyone identify what the part that appears to be slanted is in left foreground?

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: Joanna on November 11, 2004, 09:41:11 PM
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Somewhere around 1907 (it's from memory so I may not have the correct year) Nicholas received a threat letter on paper taken from the Imperial Yacht Standart. The entire crew and most officers were replaced much to the disappointment of the IF.


I have found a reference to a Sergey Nikolaevich Timirev who was the senior officer of the Guards on the Standart from 1907 to 1910 which coincides with the above replacements that took place in 1907.

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on November 11, 2004, 11:27:16 PM
Dear Joanna:  

You inquire about the part that is in the 'left foregound [?]", of the photo you reference above.

What we see is the raised glass roof of the engine room casing.  There were two of these casings on the deck of the yacht.  Each one measured about  ten by twenty feet and stood approx. waist high.  The top of each casing was  a glass skylight.  These 'skylights' could be raised up to let  out the hot air from the steam engines that were below.

[In the deck directly below as shown in the photo is the portable chapel of the yacht.  This chapel consisted of  the typical Orthodox screens of the various saints.]

If you stood on deck by these casings on a cold day you could warm yourself in a very nice manner.

The frame of  the glass roof was made of gleaming nickelplate. There was very little if any brasswork on the yacht as Alexander III did not like the color because he thought it to be too ostentatious.  Also there were no gold plated fittings in the yacht interior for the same reason.

As we know,  Tsar Alexander III died before the ship could be finished and  it became his son's yacht.

Douglas :)
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Sunny on November 12, 2004, 10:15:55 AM
Harald, the photographs are simply beautiful.

Thank you so much,

Sunny
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Janet_W. on November 12, 2004, 11:10:02 AM
Harald, your photos wonderfully demonstrate just why the Standardt was considered the standard for all yachts of the time! Many, many thanks.
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Post by: Douglas on November 12, 2004, 11:11:57 AM
Harald:  These are great photos.  I have never seen them before.  I hope you add them to your website!

Also, thank you for your added information on the gold ropes that are affixed to the sides of the yacht hull.  I assume that the  'ropes' are made of wood  with the gold leaf attached? Is this correct?
Douglas
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 12, 2004, 01:34:27 PM
Such wonderful pictures !
I am trying to find these "ropes" you mention. Are they pictured on this site or should I look in a book somewhere?
Best,
Robert
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 12, 2004, 01:56:44 PM
Thank you. I see, looks like a rope to me. I would guess the function was to "buffer" a docking" ?
And this was wood painted by nuns? Must have been quite a job to say the least.
Thanks again,
Robert
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Post by: Ksenia on November 12, 2004, 02:45:22 PM
There beautiful photographs Harald ! Thank you for sharing them  :)
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Post by: Sunny on November 12, 2004, 03:07:54 PM
Harald, on a rainy and cold day in Virginia, looking at more of your exquisite photographs creates the feeling of really being in a "Time Machine"...as, "I hope that these pictures convey the understanding that Standart was unique - the craftmanship, the love for detail and her subtile elegance were unknown and will never be recreated. The lack of money (rebuilding her can be estimated in the range of approx. EUR 350,000,000 or USD 400,000,000) and the lack of true craftmanship make it impossible to recreate this Yacht." ...moved me beyond words

Thank you,

Sunny
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Forum Admin on November 12, 2004, 03:21:30 PM
Harald
They also used the private Imperial Dining Room to show movies!
May I use your pictures to make a separate "Standardt" webpage for our main website? I think people would be fascinated. You could write a brief history and outline for it...What do you think?
Rob
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on November 12, 2004, 04:12:17 PM
Robert  H., Harald and Friends:

From what Harald has reported,  the 'rope' on the side of the hull was made of woven fibers... I think Harald  said is was ten inches in diameter.

Then  this length of ' rope' was sent to the convent for the nuns to gold leaf it with 24 K gold.  Then the gold was covered with a clear protective layer of something after it was affixed to the side of the yacht.



This gold leafed rope would not have acted as a fender  on the side of the ship.  If it was thusly used it would have been constantly  damaged.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 12, 2004, 05:43:09 PM
So it was just decorative then ?
Must have been quite a challenge to transport to and from a convent for painting.
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Post by: Joanna on November 12, 2004, 09:34:30 PM
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In total Standart had twentyfour real baths - the remaining eighteen were shared by members of the staff, officers and even by the sailors - eight baths were in use by the latter ones; an unknown luxury to probably most of them and to most sailors even today.


I am in awe Harald! You have revealed a treasure for us! My many many thanks!

A fascinating piece to add to the lore of the Standart relating to baths that, although to others may be irrelevant, I adore to know of the everyday products that were used! There is a short history of the toothbrush and one was of English manufacture from rosewood that was ordered for the Russian fleet on the Imperial yacht Standart. There is a brand on the handle "violet wood warranted". [Third photo down on left]

http://dentalsite.solvay-pharma.ru/articles/article.aspx?id=1779

http://dentalsite.solvay-pharma.ru/pic/1779-11-b.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 12, 2004, 09:41:36 PM
Obviously being in close proximity to the IF, even the sailors must be clean & look their best.
You are right, it must have been very "new" to them.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Sunny on November 13, 2004, 07:35:01 AM
Found the following at Royalty Digest : http://www.picrare.com/Royalty_Digest/RDBookForSale/RDSecondhand.html

Gavin (Paymaster Commander C.M): ROYAL YACHTS. Large quarto, 338 pages, very numerous illustrations including coloured tipped-in plates, original quarter blue cloth with pale blue boards: bottom of spine very rubbed, binding slightly shaken, otherwise very good. By Gracious Permission of the King. Rich and Cowan. 1932. [Shelf 37].£150.00 *Offered at much less than the usual price owing to the fault on the spine. Said to be limited to 1,000 copies. A substantial study.

Sunny

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Post by: Robert_Hall on November 13, 2004, 09:15:10 AM
May I ask, are these pictures from a single volume, or did you collect them from various sources?  They are a remarkbable set of illustrations in either case.
I have several volumes on royal yachts, but nothing compares to this wonderful contribution.
Obviously, I am enjoying them immensely!
Thank you so much,
Robert
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Forum Admin on November 13, 2004, 09:35:37 AM
Harald
What about my suggestion for our making a Standardt webpage for the main site? please, write me!
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on November 13, 2004, 12:08:31 PM
Harald,..... Robert and friends:

Thank you for making more clear your information about the gold leafed ropes on the side of the yacht.

Acording to U. S. Navy terminology:

Rope:  Fiber or wire  line [fiber rope is usually refered to as line, while wire rope is called rope, wire rope or  wire.]

Line:  Any rope that is not wire rope.

U. S. Navy uses the word wire to mean a rope or line  made of metal.

The British and Russian Navy may use different terminology  words for ropes.

Is everyone still confused?    

:-/
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on November 13, 2004, 12:29:20 PM
The photo of the Sailors Quarters on the Standart [post #125] shows us 18 rifles  in a rack on the far bulkhead [wall].  In the center of the rifles is a Russian Orthodox Icon Cabinet with an incense holder hanging on a chain in front of it.

It is wonderful to see these interior photos and we are grateful to Harald for taking the effort to post them for everyone to see and enjoy.  It is really like being there in a time machine. :)

I nominate Harald our Honorary Captain of the Standart.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 13, 2004, 12:37:50 PM
Seconded with a hearty CHEERS !
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Post by: Sunny on November 13, 2004, 04:36:33 PM
Douglas, what a grand idea..."I nominate Harald our Honorary Captain of the Standart".

Sunny
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on November 17, 2004, 12:18:09 PM
There is an interesting site on Russian shipbuilding with historic timelines i.e. Nicholas on Cruiser Askold on April 3, 1902:

http://www.ksri.ru/rus/ins/history/history14.htm#1902

One photo is of the Standart c1911:

http://www.ksri.ru/res/history/shtandart.jpg

Harald & Douglas can you help to identify the flags as many have an amazing clarity in this photo?

Joanna

Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Joanna on November 17, 2004, 01:00:02 PM
Hi Harald,

Have you seen in the Russian archives the fund listing of the Standart? Am I right that this is the Imperial yacht?

http://www.rusarchives.ru/guide/rgavmf/851-900.shtml#890

F. 890. "STANDARD", THE YACHT OF BALTIC FLEET. (1893-1917).
Matters 37; 1894-1896, 1899-1912
Op. 1
Orders of the commander of yacht; the periodicals of radiograms; lists and correspondence by the personnel.

Also of the Polar Star F.865.

Joanna
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on November 18, 2004, 01:47:00 PM
Joanna & Harald:

I removed my post above about the yacht flags as Haralds' post has  more accurate information than mine. :D

Harald:

We're all looking forward to more of those great photos of the Standart!  We wait with anticipation. :)
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: JD on December 04, 2004, 12:53:04 PM
Oh dear- what happened to all of Harald's photos???
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: JD on December 05, 2004, 01:44:07 PM
All of Harald's posts on the board have been erased...very strange.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Forum Admin on December 05, 2004, 03:00:26 PM
This must be something he did himself. I had nothing to do with it at all  and is as much a surprise to me. I'll write him an email.
FA

Update: Harald seems to have also totally deleted his profile and user name. I no longer have is email address. If anyone does, would you please write him and ask what happened and let me know, at least privately.  I was planning to make a complete section on the Standardt this month for our main website using his wonderful photos and information...I'm devastated he has gone.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: JD on December 05, 2004, 03:12:59 PM
Please update us...he was one of my favorite posters and I have no idea why he would do a thing like that! I have some PMs from him in my inbox and his name is unclickable and underneath it says "doesn't exist anymore". Very very strange.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: JD on December 05, 2004, 03:18:32 PM
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This must be something he did himself. I had nothing to do with it at all  and is as much a surprise to me. I'll write him an email.
FA

Update: Harald seems to have also totally deleted his profile and user name. I no longer have is email address. If anyone does, would you please write him and ask what happened and let me know, at least privately.  I was planning to make a complete section on the Standardt this month for our main website using his wonderful photos and information...I'm devastated he has gone.

You could try his website email.
webmaster@yachtstandart.com

I hope this has just been some terrible accident!
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Sarai on December 06, 2004, 07:56:26 AM
Harald had mentioned that he had obtained those wonderful photos of the Standardt from a very rare book, of which only about three copies exist in the entire world. Ever since he said that, I had been very curious to know how he was privileged enough to obtain a copy of that book, seeing as how they were apparently kept by government archives and museums, but I never asked. Does anyone know?

I am certainly glad he was able to share those remarkable photos with us, but (and this is pure conjecture on my part), perhaps they weren't supposed to be shown or the photos were somehow copyrighted, and this is a reason why they have disappeared from this board? Sorry, I'm probably thinking a little too much into this and I am certainly not accusing him of any wrongdoing, as it could just have been an accident, but that's just what came to my mind.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Forum Admin on December 06, 2004, 09:22:21 AM
Harald wrote me back. I am sorry to say that he left the Forum because he was being privately harassed by people (he would not say who) about several matters, including the use of those photos, DESPITE his repeated assurances that he HAD obtained permission from the library which owns the book for him to use the photographs. Long ago, Harald assured me he had the permissions in writing, and he had assured YOU all as well. THAT should have been the end of the issue, instead, he was driven out of this Forum, to the greater loss of us all. He has also now declined to allow me to build the web site section on the Standart using his wonderful information.

Every single one of you (and you know who you are and I don't) who wrote Harald those private emails and messages should now be quite glad at the educational loss you have created.

Anyone who has issues about copyright permissions for use of images in the Forum should contact ME instead of taking matters into your own hands.  
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Jane on December 06, 2004, 02:50:30 PM
How awful.  I used to lurk around this thread just to see all the gorgeous pictures of the Standard.  Harald was always so generous in sharing his extensive knowledge with the Forum.  What a shame that once again one of our experts has been driven off these boards.

>:(
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Nathan_Davis on December 06, 2004, 04:08:50 PM
 :( Well this is very sad news, and a great loss.  Admin, if you are in touch with Harald again, please let him know he has many, many fans here who appreciate all he has done and hope he might return to us at some point.

Sincerely,

Nathan
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on December 06, 2004, 07:50:14 PM
Harald is good friend of mine and I hope he returns to this forum as his imput is most welcome.

Let's hope that there has been some misunderstanding with the libraries and others that claim ownership of photos that are over one hundred years old.

Douglas
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Janet_W. on December 06, 2004, 08:12:38 PM
What a shame this happened. I don't understand it, but I hope Harald knows how much we've appreciated his efforts  :)  . . . and how much we don't appreciate those who harrassed him.  >:(
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: JD on December 06, 2004, 08:37:17 PM
I can only add my voice to the chorus...I appreciated Harald's efforts and general knowledge immensely and I can't imagine how awfully he must've been harassed if he quit the forum over some photos.  He seemed like an awfully nice guy on top of being extremely knowedgable so I sure hope he comes back.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Sunny on December 07, 2004, 04:16:11 AM

The glimpses into such beauty were truly amazing.
Hope there can be some kind of resolution, which allows Harald's return.

Sunny
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Val289 on December 07, 2004, 11:48:10 AM
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How awful.  I used to lurk around this thread just to see all the gorgeous pictures of the Standard.  Harald was always so generous in sharing his extensive knowledge with the Forum.  What a shame that once again one of our experts has been driven off these boards.

 >:(



I'll second that..........it's very sad when people who have so much to contribute are driven off this board.  :(
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Dandywell on December 23, 2004, 04:58:18 PM
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Harald had mentioned that he had obtained those wonderful photos of the Standardt from a very rare book, of which only about three copies exist in the entire world.


Does anyone know what that book is called? It seems all of Haralds posts have gone with him.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Douglas on December 23, 2004, 11:15:03 PM
Evidently there are only four copies of this book on the entire planet.  I assume the book was privately printed in the  late 1800's. I do not think that the actual name of the book has been revealed.
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Ortino on February 21, 2005, 08:23:25 PM
I don't mean to resurrect ancient topics, but does anyone know how to navigate the Yale Archives? I want to see the pictures that are from the Anna V. albums of the standart. I know there's a link in this thread somewhere, but where does a person go after that? Just typing in a key word in the search box doesn't do much. What am I missing?  ???
Title: Re: yacht standardt 1895
Post by: Daniel Briere on February 22, 2005, 08:50:30 AM
Here's  the link to the Albums:
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/romanov_album.htm
You can try the Digital Online search engine, but you will find only a few photos (« Standart »)
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/
I suspect they’re either from Albums 2 & 3 which have been inventoried by Marylin Swezey. Only a few photos from the other albums seem to have captions. See this link (Appendix).
http://webtext.library.yale.edu/xml2html/beinecke.ROMANOV.con.html#a9

I guess you'lll have to look into all the albums to find all photos related to the Standart  :-/.
Have fun!   ;)  Maybe you could make an inventory for all of us!  ;D
Title: Re: yacht standard
Post by: antti on July 17, 2008, 03:54:44 AM
I do not know if this is true, but I have been told that a lot of the interior fittings of both yachts were used in Stalin's dacha.
Most of the portable, i.e. china, furniture,etc. were sold at auctions. The china still comes up at some shops...very exspensive. What wasn't broken or looted was basically sold or used for dearly needed scrap.. Thus the fate of Imperial yachts, minesweepers, target practice.
Afterthought, there is a wonderful site at ...Beinecke.library.yale.edu/romanov that has literally hundreds of photos of the family, including many on the yachts.


Few years ago in a finnish version of Antique Road Show tv program one old lady brought a water jug which was from the Standard. Unfortunately I can´t remember how much it was valued for and the story how the lady got it.