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Title: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on September 25, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
:)Hello Britt !

These photographies are taken from "Mon Album de Famille" of Henri Comte de Paris, written by his nephew Michel Prince de Grèce ( Michael Prince of Greece).
Published by Librairie Académique Perrin, Paris 1996
ISBN 2.262.01237.7
It is a very beautiful photobook from which I discovered these pictures of Princess Isabelle and  Prince Murat.
It is mentionned under the photographies that the alliance between the two dynasties Bourbon-Orléans and Bonaparte was much discussed...

The same as it was with Clémentine of Belgique ( who had also Orléans blood) who married Prince Napoléon...


Can anybody repost the picture of Isabelle and Prince Murat please?
It was posted by Frimousse many months ago, from the book "mon album de famille" by Henri, count of Paris. But it unfortunately it was taken away by anyone, and I have lost it, because my PC was broken and my picture archives all got lost.
Frimousse was not active here since march and did not reply my PM.
Can anybody help me with the picture???
PLEASE!





 

Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 26, 2007, 10:19:17 PM
That was an outstanding book !  :)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on September 27, 2007, 02:38:16 AM
Any idea, where to get the picture once again? I'm so unhappy that I've lost it. Can anybody post it again?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 27, 2007, 04:31:44 AM
One needs to find the book and scan it... ???
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Svetabel on September 27, 2007, 07:36:58 AM
One needs to find the book and scan it... ???


I think Britt.25 doesn't ask such a wise advice.  She asks about posting the picture.


Any idea, where to get the picture once again? I'm so unhappy that I've lost it. Can anybody post it again?

Britt, I'll try to dig out the picture, I guess I have it somewhere. If I'll find it I send you a PM.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on September 27, 2007, 10:41:51 AM
It was from the book "mon Album de famille" by Henri of Orleans/Michael of Greece.

And it showed Isabelle d'harcourt and her husband Prince Pierre Murat in swimming cloth and with swimming stuff.  It was quite funny and rare. As far as I can remember it Prince Murat was smoking and had bare feet, both were sitting. It would be wonderful, if anybody could find that picture or has the book. Would be great because I lost all my picture archives by a recent PC crash and I'm desperately looking for that picture again. :'( :'( ;)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Dmitry Russian on September 29, 2007, 11:13:14 PM
Has this couple any children?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2007, 03:19:11 AM
Has this couple any children?

Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on September 30, 2007, 07:29:00 AM
Yes, that's right. Isabelle, daughter of Jean, duc de Guise and Isabella d'Orléans, had four children by her first marriage with Bruno d'Harcourt, and married Prince Pierre Murat in her second marriage. She did not have any children from her second marriage.
BUT: Isabelle's daughter Isabelle (same name) married again a descendant of Caroline Bonaparte and Joachim Murat: Prince Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon Murat and had six children by him. They are all married and have a lot of descendants.
Again a connection of the families Bonaparte- Orléans, surely not without problems, but interesting and evidently not unhappy, what the number of six children seem to prove! :) ::)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 30, 2007, 11:19:19 AM
Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.

Bernard (1925-1958)
m.1st 4 Nov 1948 (div 1949) Zenaide Rachewska (born 1 Sep 1930);
m.2d Paris 27 Jan 1951 Yvonne de Contades (born 22 Apr 1928)
> Bruno (born 1951)
> Francois (born 1953)

Gilone Jeanne Armande Anne Marie (born 1927)
m.Cany 9 Sep 1950 Antoine de Dreux-Brézé (born 1928)
> Laure de Dreux-Brézé (born 1951)
> Anne de Dreux-Brézé (1952-1953)
> Diane de Dreux-Brézé (born 1954)
> Anne-Pierre de Dreux-Brézé (1958-1958)
> Isabelle de Dreux-Brézé (1964-1966)

Isabelle Henriette Christiane Gabrielle Marie (1927-1993)
m.Paris 20 Oct 1948 Pr Louis Murat (born 1920)   
> Pierre Charles Marie Jean Joachim Napoléon (born 1949)
> Xavier Paul Marie Bruno Joachim Napoléon (1951-1951)
> Leïla Marie Isabelle Solange Monique Anne (born 1953)
> Laura Marguerite Marie Cécile Gilone (born 1954)
> Bernard Pierre Marie François Paul Joachim Napoléon (born 1959)
> Jérôme-Paul Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon (born 1966)

Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie (born 1929)
m.Paris 1 Jul 1948 (rel) 3 Jul 1948 Cte Alfred Boulay de la Meurthe (born 1925)
> Gilone (born 1949)
> Iseult (born 1956)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on September 30, 2007, 11:59:44 AM
I hope it lets Dmitry finally believe that a match Bonaparte- Orléans can functionate... ::)

BW: Has anyone ever seen Isabelle's daughter from Bruno d'Harcourt?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 30, 2007, 02:15:46 PM
BW: Has anyone ever seen Isabelle's daughter from Bruno d'Harcourt?

Which one? Isabelle had three daughters by Bruno d'Harcourt. Anyway, there is definitely a pic of Isabelle and her children in "Mon album de famille" ... maybe there are even more. I'll have a look.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: britt.25 on October 01, 2007, 03:29:49 AM
Sorry, I ment the one, who is also called Isabelle, and who married Prince Louis Murat. I think, I've once seen that picture, it was here as well, but somebody took it away..It showed Isabelle d'Harcourt and her daughters...Maybe it could be interesting for me to purchase that book as well, but I suppose it's very hard to get. ::)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 12, 2008, 10:34:44 AM
I dedicace this thread to the three sisters of the late Count of Paris, Isabelle, Françoise and Anne of Guise, whose often tragic destiny deserves to be known.

I invite all members of the forum to participate if they wish. So, thanks to them, i hope to get more information about the life and the daily lives of these 3 princesses to the personality so different but so interesting.

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 12, 2008, 10:14:30 PM
There's some information and photos on Francoise here:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,1615.0.html
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Mari on April 13, 2008, 01:27:22 AM
1932: Princess Isabelle of France
- Duke Jean de Guise (her paternal grandfather)
- Princess Elisabeth of Orleans-Braganza (her maternal granmother)      Godparents of the two Sisters of the Count of Paris with a link for the other Siblings and     

                                                                                                  their godparents.
1938: Princess Anne of France
- Duke of Aosta (husband of her paternal aunt)
- Countess Anna Dobrzensky (1st cousin of her mother)

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f161/godparents-royals-1460.html
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 29, 2008, 11:11:33 AM
Interesting, but I talked sisters of the late Count of Paris, Henri born in 1908, son of Jean and Isabelle, Duke and Duchess of Guise, rather than the current one...
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Norbert on May 07, 2008, 03:33:20 PM
Francoise was very attractive and was a candidate for Boris of Bulgaria in 1928, eventually accepting the wealthy widower Pr Christopher. Isabelle made a private marriage to Ct Bruno who was descended from 8 Duc d'Harcourt. In widowhood she  refused Alfonso of The Two Sicilies in 1936, and married Pr Pierre descened from 3 Pr Murat, (Sadly her grand dughter Laure  was the lover of that cad Sir James Goldsmith and bore him two natural children). Helene was to marry the grand son of king Amadeo of Spain. She was a noted beauty and was arrested and sent to a concentration camp by the Nazi's. Her husband 3 Duke of Aosta was Viceroy of Ethiopia and Govenor General of Italian East Africa
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on May 27, 2008, 08:58:38 AM
Thank you for these valuable information.

Born in 1902, Princess Françoise de France, second daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Guise, aroused the interest of the young King Alexander Ier of Yugoslavia. He asked her hand that she refused.

Good, generous, very human, she had no other ambition than to cherish and to the happiness of his family.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Norbert on May 27, 2008, 09:58:46 AM
apparently he later propose to her handicapped cousin Sophie Vendome
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Norbert on May 27, 2008, 10:00:54 AM
SORRY...wrong Alexander. These Serbian Kings eh?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: José on May 27, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
No, as a matter of fact it was the future king Alexander I who is supposed to have proposed to Sophie Vendôme.
Wasn't he aware of her handicap ?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric VdV on May 27, 2008, 03:11:23 PM
No, as a matter of fact it was the future king Alexander I who is supposed to have proposed to Sophie Vendôme.
Wasn't he aware of her handicap ?
He must have been as it was clear that Princess Sophie developped convulsions during the birth, which caused retardation.

Eric VdV
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 27, 2008, 08:20:41 AM
Prince Henri, futur Count of Paris, during the Great War, with his three young sisters Isabelle, Françoise and Anne :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/guisechildren.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Mari on July 31, 2008, 09:19:29 PM
Princess Anne of Orléans, Duchess of Aosta (5 August 1906, Nouvion-en-Thiérache, France - 19 March 1986, Sorrento, Italy). The daughter of Jean of Orléans, duke of Guise and princess Isabelle of Orléans. She married at Napoli, Italy, on 5 November 1927, her cousin Amedeo, 3rd Duke of Aosta (1898-1942) and had two daughters:

    * Margherita Isabella Maria Vittoria Emanuela Elena Gennara (born April 7, 1930). She married on 28/29 December 1953 HI & RH Archduke Robert, styled Archduke of Austria-Este (1915 - 1996), second son of the last Austrian emperor Karl I, and has issue three sons and two daughters.
    * Maria Cristina Giusta Elena Giovanna (born 10 September 1933 at Miramar), who married on January 29, 1967 HRH Prince Casimiro of House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, descended from Spanish princes (of the house of Bourbon or Bourbon) ruling in Sicily, and has issue two sons and two daughters.

 Princess Anne Hélène Marie (1906-86)

a little more information:

Princess Anne Hélène Marie was born at Château Nouvion-en-Thiérache in 1906. She died at Capo di Sorrento, Naples in 1986. She was a Dame Star Cross, Dame Hon & Dev Sov Mil Order of Malta, Gd Cross Constantinian Order of Saint George, Gd Cross Saint Maurice & Lazarus. She marrie at Naples on November 5, 1927 to Prince Amedeo of Savoy, 3rd Duke of Aosta, sometime Viceroy of Ethiopia (1898-1941). He died at Nairobi, Kenya March 3 1941 during World War II. The British retook Ethiopia from the Italians.

http://histclo.com/royal/fra/orl/fbo-cphen.htm
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Norbert on August 01, 2008, 05:08:44 PM
do you know where in Naples they married?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on August 02, 2008, 01:17:43 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/francoise5.jpg)
Princess Françoise born in 1902.

She spoused Prince Christophe of Greece in 1928 and had a only son, Michel born in 1939.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Mari on August 04, 2008, 05:30:53 PM
The only articles on the Wedding of  Princess Anne of Orleans in 1927 that I can find are these two unfortunately. Perhaps someone else.....


http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30617F63C5D167A93C4A9178AD95F438285F9


http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00F10F8345B12738DDDAD0894D9415B878EF1D3
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Norbert on August 05, 2008, 04:14:52 AM
Just found details in "Mon Album" church St Francis de Paule, neo classical church opposite the Royal Palace
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on August 28, 2008, 11:09:15 AM
Princess Françoise in evening dress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/fc.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Mari on September 02, 2008, 08:33:57 PM
 Princess Isabelle Françoise Hélène Marie (1900-83)

Princess Isabelle Françoise Hélène Marie was born at Paris in 1. She died at Louveciennes in 1983. Her first marriage was at Le Chesnay, Yvelines Sptember 12 (civil) and September 15 (religious), 1923 to Bruno, Count of Harcourt, of the Dukes of Harcourt (1899-1930). Her second marriage was at Jouy-en-Josas, Yvelines July 12,1934, to Prince Pierre Murat (1900-48).

some of the same and a little extra information:


the daughter of Jean d'Orléans, duc de Guise (1874-1940), Orleanist pretender to the French throne, and his wife Princess Isabelle d'Orléans.

She married at Le Chesnay, on 12 september 1903, French aristocrat Bruno, Count of Harcourt (1899-1930), son of Count Eugene of Harcourt and Armande of Pierre de Bernis. Bruno was an automobile racer and he died on a practice for the Moroccan Grand Prix.

They had four children:

    * Bernard d'Harcourt, Count of Harcourt (1925-1958).
    * Gilone d'Harcourt (1927), who married Antoine of Dreux-Brézé.
    * Isabelle d'Harcourt (1927-1993), who married prince Louis Murat.
    * Monique d'Harcourt (1929).

As a widow, Isabelle remarried Prince Pierre Murat (1900-1948) in 1934, at Jouy-en-Josas.

Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on September 10, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
Princesse Isabelle de France (1900-1983) :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/th_igh.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/igh.jpg)

Eldest daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Guise, she was already married and a mother when herfather became the pretender to the throne of France. Mistress woman's personality sharply drawn, she was the faithful collaborator of her father.


Princesse Anne de France (1906-1986) :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/th_ifa.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/ifa.jpg)

Third daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Guise, very tall and slender, she should have known a life loaded test she crossed as woman of duty, focusing overall compliance.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on September 16, 2008, 08:17:44 AM
Their mother, Princess Isabelle Duchess of Guise (1878-1961), left here photographed with her sister-in-law Marie d'Orléans, Princess Valdemar of Denmark :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/th_igmo.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/igmo.jpg)


A story circulating about Isabelle of France, that the old Emperor Franz Joseph, Sisi became a widower in 1898, thought a while, despite the age difference, to remarry with the lovely young Princess.

But the union did not take place and Isabelle married the same year her cousin Jean, Duke of Guise.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 22, 2008, 08:50:32 AM
First communion of Princess Anne and her brother Henri of Orleans, future Count of Paris, during the First World War :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/com.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 05, 2009, 09:50:42 AM
And my gosh, Isabelle was just the spitting image of her father, as a child and adult. Too cute.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: frencharisto on August 02, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Hello everybody,

I am french and my grandmother was a faithful friend of Isabelle de France, comtesse Bruno d'Harcourt. I'm very interested in our royal family and I'm looking for pictures of this princess, especially in her old years. Does one of you have some?
Post here pictures and informations  about Isabelle, and even her descendants.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: frencharisto on August 04, 2009, 02:12:01 PM
Thanks MarieCharlotte, nice picture.

I guess the girl in the back is one of Isabelle's 3 daughters...I had never seen pictures of prince Pierre Murat, Michel de Grèce described him as "enormous" at the end of his life but good-looking when he was young (Mémoires insolites). There are some interesting stories about Isabelle, her sister Françoise etc...in this book, when Michel lived in her aunt's hôtel particulier.

Do you have other pictures?
in her old years: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=fr;m=IMH;d=1188828020;i=1941868;k=/isabelle.2.d_orleans

I'm not sure about her deathplace: I've read she died in Louveciennes...Was at in her brother's house (the count of Paris) ?

Isabelle had 4 children from her first marriage to comte Bruno d'Harcourt:
- Bernard (1925-1958)
-Gilone (1927) married to count Antoine de Dreux-Brézé, who owns the wonderful caste of Cany, in Normandy
-Isabelle (1927-1993) married to prince Louis Murat, a first cousin once removed of Pierre
-Monique(1929) married to Alfred de Boulay de la Meurthe: she is the grandmother of Adélaide de Clermont-Tonnerre who is quite famous in France as journalist

if someone has pictures of Isabelle's daughters...


Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 08:28:06 AM
Princesses Isabelle, Françoise and Anne with their mother Isabelle of Guise and the Orléans-Braganza 's family :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/gobf.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on December 23, 2009, 10:31:33 AM
No, as a matter of fact it was the future king Alexander I who is supposed to have proposed to Sophie Vendôme.
Wasn't he aware of her handicap ?

Her parents shared a great degree of consanguinity – so many of Louis Philippe's grandchildren and great-grandchildren practiced endogamy to such a high level that it is amazing that not more such cases happened.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on December 23, 2009, 10:34:43 AM
Francoise was very attractive and was a candidate for Boris of Bulgaria in 1928, eventually accepting the wealthy widower Pr Christopher. Isabelle made a private marriage to Ct Bruno who was descended from 8 Duc d'Harcourt. In widowhood she  refused Alfonso of The Two Sicilies in 1936, and married Pr Pierre descened from 3 Pr Murat, (Sadly her grand dughter Laure  was the lover of that cad Sir James Goldsmith and bore him two natural children). Helene was to marry the grand son of king Amadeo of Spain. She was a noted beauty and was arrested and sent to a concentration camp by the Nazi's. Her husband 3 Duke of Aosta was Viceroy of Ethiopia and Govenor General of Italian East Africa

You meant to say Anne married the grandson of the former King Amedeo of Spain, correct. Princess Anne was married to her first cousin Amedeo of Aosta. They had two daughters, both of whom married into royal circles and are still alive. This family were the last tenants of the beautiful palace or Miramare near Trieste, which was previously the home of Emperor Maximlian and Empress Charlotte of Mexico, before they departed on their madcap adventure.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 07, 2010, 07:21:28 AM
I perceive that there is no subject on Jean d'Orleans, Duke of Guise and Count of Paris (1874-1940). There is only one topic on his daughters Isabelle, Françoise and Anne and his son Henry, but nothing on him or on his wife Isabelle d'Orleans in particular. I'd like to remedy that omission by dedicating to him and his family from that thread today.

Forum administrators may encompass this devoted to his three daughters if they deem it necessary.

Images and information on this family are of course welcome. Thank you in advance to participants...
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 09, 2010, 09:14:22 AM
His biography on Wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Jean,_Duke_of_Guise
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 09, 2010, 09:17:30 AM
Little boy around 1877 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/797852jeandeguisevers1877.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=797852jeandeguisevers1877.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
Thanks for having this thread. I am always fasinated by the Orleans, but no English bio on the subject.  :(
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 10, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
Jean and Isabelle in the wedding of their son Henri. Behind them, their daughter Francoise

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3083/47442155.jpg) (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/47442155.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2010, 02:19:14 PM
Lovely...Too bad for the watermark. otherwise I could see Francoise's dress clearly.  :(
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2010, 09:47:05 AM
The wedding of Jean and Isabelle in 1899 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/322948jeanisabellemarriagejpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=322948jeanisabellemarriagejpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 14, 2010, 09:55:40 AM
 Isabelle with her daughter in law Isabelle Orleans Braganza , her mother countess Marie Isabelle Dobrzensky de Dobrzenicz and her father , Pedro Alcantara Orleans,- Braganza..

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/692/madamecp58.png)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2010, 01:15:47 PM
Jean :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/565384guisejjpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=565384guisejjpg.jpg)

et Isabelle :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/156179guise2jpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=156179guise2jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 04:34:24 PM
Jean and his father, , the duc d chartres.

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2681/m505205ph783scanp.jpg) (http://img140.imageshack.us/i/m505205ph783scanp.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on November 25, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Isabelle de Guise in colour :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/717275ducheguisejpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=717275ducheguisejpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 25, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Jean  giving wine with garlic to his grandson Henri

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5520/77771317.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/77771317.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Rani on December 06, 2010, 02:07:43 PM
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9194/isabelle4.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 06, 2010, 02:28:58 PM
Nice one of Isabelle! *0*

Here with her husband, his son Henri, her daughter in law Isabelle and her two grandkids Henri & Isabelle


(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4320/87329496.jpg) (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/87329496.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 07, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9194/isabelle4.jpg)

Oh yes, magnificent portrait of the young Princess, probably dating from before her marriage. Thank you for having posted. Isabelle was considered THE Beauty of the family.


Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: REMI on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9194/isabelle4.jpg)

Are you sure that this lady is Isabelle d'Orléans, future wife of the duke of Guise?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 07, 2010, 11:38:05 AM
She has her face yet...
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 07, 2010, 12:42:19 PM



Are you sure that this lady is Isabelle d'Orléans, future wife of the duke of Guise?

That's Isabelle. Why do you have doubts?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 07, 2010, 01:24:17 PM
This seems to be from the same photoshoot

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2089/orleans1880.jpg)

With her siblings Helene, Jean, & Louise (This image is courtesy of Veronica from here and Dinastias)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 08, 2010, 11:15:23 AM
me bad!! : im not sure tho if that is her "cousin Jean" (later husband)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 08, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
me bad!! : im not sure tho if that is her "cousin Jean" (later husband)

That's not Jean in a group photo, but Isabelle's youngest brother Ferdinand.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: REMI on December 09, 2010, 05:41:51 AM
This seems to be from the same photoshoot

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2089/orleans1880.jpg)

With her siblings Helene, Jean, & Louise (This image is courtesy of Veronica from here and Dinastias)

I think that the boy is not Jean. He is the youngest son of Count and countess of Paris: Ferdinand of Orléans, duke of Montpensier (1884-1924).

REMI
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: REMI on December 09, 2010, 05:48:18 AM



Are you sure that this lady is Isabelle d'Orléans, future wife of the duke of Guise?

That's Isabelle. Why do you have doubts?

I have no doubt now! Thank you very much

REMI
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 10, 2010, 02:17:44 PM
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9194/isabelle4.jpg)

Oh yes, magnificent portrait of the young Princess, probably dating from before her marriage. Thank you for having posted. Isabelle was considered THE Beauty of the family.




I just finished scanning 2 magazine articles dealing with royal beauties and she and Queen Marie of Romania (then just Crown Princess) were the only 2 in both.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 09, 2011, 06:39:19 AM
Duke and Duchess de Guise in Larache (Maroc) with Countess of Paris :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/974441jcpi.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=974441jcpi.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 09, 2011, 01:41:41 PM
Duc d Guise with the count of Paris and little Henri (Current count of Paris)

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/509/128aq.jpg) (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/128aq.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 01, 2011, 09:33:54 AM
Isabelle and daughter in law, Isabelle

(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/434/59971916.jpg) (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/59971916.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 30, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
Duchesse de Guise :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/320398duchessedeguise.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=320398duchessedeguise.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on June 25, 2011, 07:35:01 AM
Wedding of Isabelle de Guise and Bruno d'Harcourt :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/565099isabelleharcourt.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=565099isabelleharcourt.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2011, 01:02:43 PM
When was that ?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: CountessKate on June 25, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
15 September 1923.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Thanks. One of my friends knew about the Harcourt family. They are French or English nobility ?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 26, 2011, 12:04:57 PM
The Harcourt family originated in Normandy and came over the Channel with William I [the Conqueror]
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 12:35:33 PM
So they are English Aristocracy then. I see them good enough to marry into the Orleans family...
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 26, 2011, 12:46:45 PM
If you care enough to look at that way... But you must remember, the Orleans did not exist at that time.  There is a French branch of the family, whose history I am not all that familiar with. [d''Harcourt]
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
As far as I know, the Orleans family seldom marry morganetically (even today). So the Harcourts must be considered of equal standing for the marriage to be celebrated. Like the Hapsburgs considered the Croys worthy of an equal marriage.   
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 26, 2011, 01:43:26 PM
I am sure you are correct about that.  But the Orleans have a long history of  unequal partnerships , even if ex-Gotha. My guess about the Harcourts is that they were enobled and considered Peers.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
I am sure about the ennobled part at least in England, but it seems that the French accept that too (which I found interesting).
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 26, 2011, 01:54:43 PM
Could very well be true, if not curious, considering the Orleans history.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 02:06:53 PM
Yes. Harcount Family does have lineage back to the Conquerer.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 02, 2011, 05:16:03 AM
Anne de Guise :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/195833aneadifrancia.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=195833aneadifrancia.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2011, 08:11:54 AM
Isabelle with her daughters Isabelle, Francoises and Anne and her future in laws the Orleans Bragance and Madame, Isabelle , future comtesse d Paris AKA Bebelle (third from left to right sitting on the floor).

Courtesy of my friend Claudia from Historia & vidas.

(http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/482/unled1rz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/unled1rz.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Rani on November 20, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
This is supposedly Isabelle de Guise - did she had red hair?

(http://i.imgur.com/6Xdch.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/aowOu.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
Not sure...
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 21, 2011, 07:19:17 AM
I dont know. For pictures i always assumed she was blonde.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Rani on November 26, 2011, 05:21:48 AM
IMO her eyes are similar to Isabelles.
Does someone had red hair in her family?
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 03, 2011, 07:04:12 AM
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/488697sortienotredame1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=488697sortienotredame1928.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Marc on December 03, 2011, 08:43:04 AM
IMO her eyes are similar to Isabelles.
Does someone had red hair in her family?

Maybe she dyed her hair or there is a chance that the natural color of her hair can be viewed as blonde or slightly ginger + freedom of the artist!

Just guessing!
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: REMI on December 17, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/488697sortienotredame1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=488697sortienotredame1928.jpg)

The brother of duchess de Guise called Philippe duke of Orléans, not count of Paris. He died in Palermo in 1926, not in 1928. The funreral took place in Palermo where he was buried temporarily. La
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: REMI on December 17, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/488697sortienotredame1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=488697sortienotredame1928.jpg)

The brother of duchess de Guise called Philippe duke of Orléans, not count of Paris. He died in Palermo in 1926, not in 1928. The funreral took place in Palermo where he was buried temporarily.
....Later, he was transferred in Dreux (France). The pic shows duchesse of Guise out of Notre-dame of Paris after a massrequiem for his brother.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KaiserinIII on July 27, 2013, 10:41:18 AM
Isabelle, Duchesse de Guise

(http://imageshack.us/a/img607/492/jowg.jpg)

Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 27, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
Nice profile shot of her. She looks young here...trying to date it.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Превед on September 13, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
The duc de Guise wrote a charming little book about his time in the Danish army, now available online:  Sous le Danebrog : souvenirs de la vie militaire en Danemark 1894-1899 (http://archive.org/details/sousledanebrogso00guisuoft). It paints Christian IX's Denmark as an idyll straight out of a Hans Christian Andersen tale.
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: KaiserinIII on February 15, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
Their mother, Princess Isabelle Duchess of Guise (1878-1961), left here photographed with her sister-in-law Marie d'Orléans, Princess Valdemar of Denmark :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/th_igmo.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/French%20Royals/igmo.jpg)


A story circulating about Isabelle of France, that the old Emperor Franz Joseph, Sisi became a widower in 1898, thought a while, despite the age difference, to remarry with the lovely young Princess.

But the union did not take place and Isabelle married the same year her cousin Jean, Duke of Guise.

From the same photoshoot
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/387eb90085c20dd9e64f31ae02e7e29e/tumblr_n11w4bjyBJ1qzjmo0o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
Both were wearing lovely chokers.