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Title: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Annie on July 13, 2004, 09:13:36 PM
I admire Sergei's courage in the face of the Bolsheviks. He was the only one among any of the captives to challenge and try to fight, and to announce he believed they were all going to be killed. Perhaps if the entire group had been so outspoken and defiant they might have been able to escape. Besides Sergei and Ella and her friend Sister Varvara, the others were young men, the 3 sons on f GD KR and Prince Paley, son of GD Paul.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Belochka on July 16, 2004, 12:04:53 AM
Surprisingly, Jamie Cockfield who recently wrote a biography about the G. D. Nikolai Mikhailovich, does not provide much information about his sobriquet.

The author simply notes that his younger brothers and sister called him Bimbo as children. With his nieces and nephews he became known as Uncle Bimbo . He seems to have accepted this name with some sense of humor because he used it later in a letter to his cousin the Emperor.

So it appears this name has its origins from his childhood family home.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on November 03, 2004, 07:07:14 AM
Alexander III and Maria Fedorovna did not like Grand Duchess Olga Fedorovna as she was one of the famous taletellers of  Saint-Petersburg high society...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on November 03, 2004, 02:50:26 PM
She was rumored to be the child of Herr Haber (?). So she faced some nasty rumors about her 'Jewish' heritage. This has never been proven though.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Sarai on November 03, 2004, 03:06:45 PM
The only thing I can say about this lady is that I have been struck at the strong resemblance between her and her daughter!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on November 04, 2004, 03:48:10 AM
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She was rumored to be the child of Herr Haber (?). So she faced some nasty rumors about her 'Jewish' heritage. This has never been proven though.

And it was rumoured her mother Grand Duchess Sophie of Baden had been involved in organizing the murder of unfortunate Kaspar Hauser  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on November 04, 2004, 05:52:37 PM
Olga, her daughter Anastasia and her grandaughter Irina, in my eyes, resemble each other in the eye area at least
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Sarai on November 04, 2004, 06:35:30 PM
The picture of Olga in The Camera and the Tsars (pg. 184) is actually what I was thinking about when I said her daughter resembled her greatly.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ksenia on November 07, 2004, 12:40:45 PM
When Olga came to Russia as Cecile, her husband Mikhail did not like the name Ceclie, as he told his sister in law Maria Alexandrovna and it was he that chose the name Olga Feodorovna  :)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on November 21, 2004, 01:34:50 AM
4 generations (Michael substituting for Olga). Rare to see a male in these multigeneration photos:

GD Michael of Russia
(his daughter) GDss Anastasia of Mecklenberg-Schwerin
(her daughter) Princess Alexandrine of Denmark
(her son) Prince Frederick

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/19_1_bRussiaGeorgeMichailowitscha.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: cimbrio on March 31, 2005, 07:46:34 AM
I've often read that the Mikhailovichi were snubbed and nicknamed Caucasians 8something which wasn't very nice in Imperial days) because they were rumoured to have Jewish blood through their mother. So I've traced Olga of Baden's line and found her grabndmother, Louise Geyer von geyersberg. I wonder, was she Jewish? Was she the one who put "the Jewish blood" into this line of the family? Or is there perhaps another line I ought to look up?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on May 25, 2005, 10:17:59 AM
Just found one more photo of GD Olga F.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgafed.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Linnea on October 25, 2005, 10:31:58 AM
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When Olga came to Russia as Cecile, her husband Mikhail did not like the name Ceclie, as he told his sister in law Maria Alexandrovna and it was he that chose the name Olga Feodorovna  :)


Did Olga alias Cecilie convert or did she remain protestant?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Daniela on October 28, 2005, 02:20:34 AM
How come that he didn't like her name? Cecilie, well to me it sounds very gentile, Olga on other hand sounds very solid, firm.
Was their marriage a love match or an arranged one? Since he decided, that she will bare different name after married, sounds like an arranged marriage.

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on October 28, 2005, 09:53:03 AM
Actually "Cecilie" doesn't sound good in Russian. And their marriage was a love match, anyway Mikhail love d his wife much.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 28, 2005, 04:59:25 PM
He was very devoted to her. As mentioned on the Jews and Royalty thread, she was rumored to have been fathered by a Jewish man by the last name of Haber. Michael not only ignored the rumors of illegitimacy but also (rather remarkably IMO considering the anti-Semitism in the Romanovs) the potential Jewish factor. Nonetheless, Cecile was mocked as Frau Haber and this caused pain. Supposedly part of the reason that GD Michael stayed as Governor of the Caucuses so long was to protect his wife from some of the vicious tongues at Court.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on October 29, 2005, 08:33:09 AM
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Supposedly part of the reason that GD Michael stayed as Governor of the Caucuses so long was to protect his wife from some of the vicious tongues at Court.


Interesting point of view!  :) Anyway as a spouse of the Governor  Olga Fedorovna was  the Grand Dame of the Caucasus and took a full pleasure of her title and position, becouse in St-Petersburg she was just a Grand Duchess...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Daniela on November 02, 2005, 01:46:53 AM
Thanks, to both of you Svetabel and grandduchessella.
I really didn't know that their marriage was a love match.

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Supposedly part of the reason that GD Michael stayed as Governor of the Caucuses so long was to protect his wife from some of the vicious tongues at Court.  
Interesting point of view!   Anyway as a spouse of the Governor  Olga Fedorovna was  the Grand Dame of the Caucasus and took a full pleasure of her title and position, becouse in St-Petersburg she was just a Grand Duchess...


And it's nice to know that he was so protective towards his wife.

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: kmerov on November 06, 2005, 06:01:11 PM
Grand Duke Alexander describes her as a woman who wasn't  able to show any affection. He doesn't seem to have had a very god relationship with his mother!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on November 07, 2005, 01:34:38 AM
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Grand Duke Alexander describes her as a woman who wasn't  able to show any affection. He doesn't seem to have had a very god relationship with his mother!


I believe he loved his mother much anyway! :) And she loved him too.She even left by will Ai-Todor, a beautiful estate in the Crimea, to Alexander. They said he and his sister Anasatasia were her favourites.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on November 30, 2005, 02:10:38 AM

Here is the room in Gatchina palace where was the Winterhalter's painting of GDss Olga Fedorovna. You can see the portrait on the wall.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/of.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: crazy_wing on November 30, 2005, 03:11:24 PM
Thank you Svetabel.  I wonder where it is now.  Maybe it was destroyed and thats why we have only seen engravings/lithos of the portrait?

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2005, 12:27:29 AM
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Thank you Svetabel.  I wonder where it is now.  Maybe it was destroyed and thats why we have only seen engravings/lithos of the portrait?

 


I think it was destroyed.... :-[
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: crazy_wing on December 01, 2005, 12:52:18 AM
Oh, that is really unfortunate  :'(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: mclisa on December 14, 2005, 02:27:22 PM
The Geyer von Geyersburg family  wasn't Jewish.  If you look at http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/HGBaden.htm, House Laws of Baden. in the first paragraph under Introduction, you will find this about Luise: "His [Carl-Friedrich, margrave of Baden's] second marriage in 1787 was to Luise Caroline Geyer von Geyersberg (1768-1820) of an old knightly (reichsritterschaftlich) family.

At a guess, the rumor was simply gossip and probably attributed Jewish ancestry to the Baden famly through an uncertain paternity.  There was a similar tale about Queen Victoria's husband, Pr. Albert of Saxe Coburg Gotha, alleging that his real father was Jewish, because he was not anti-semitic as so many of his royal continental contemporaries were.  
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on December 23, 2005, 03:48:50 PM
(http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/5497/boy3ww.th.png) (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boy3ww.png)
Alexander Michailovich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2005, 06:47:03 AM
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(http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/5497/boy3ww.th.png) (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boy3ww.png)
Alexander Michailovich


This is Grand Duke Alexey Mikhailovitch, youngest brother of GD Alexander.  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 25, 2005, 08:45:07 AM
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The nickname "bimbo" was the actual one used in the IF to refer to him. I don't know the origin of it. Maybe someone out there does.  


Grand Duke Nikolay was nicknamed BIMBO after some personage from a childrens' book. That personage (a little elefant or bear I don't remember exactly)  was very curious, so was little Nikolay. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 27, 2005, 08:43:43 PM
Michael (1832-1909); m.1857 Cecile of Baden (1839-1891). She became GDss Olga Feodorovna.
 
1) Nicholas (1859-executed at Fortress of SS. Peter and Paul 1919)

2) Anastasia (1860-1922); m.1879 GD Friedrich Franz III of Mecklenburg- Schwerin (he was Miechen's brother; they were parents of CPss Cecile of Prussia; Queen Alexandrine of Denmark)

3) Michael (1861-1929); m.1891 Sophie von Merenberg, Css von Torby  (their daughter Nada married Alix's nephew George, 2nd Marquess of Milford-Haven)  

4) George (1863-executed at Fortress of SS. Peter and Paul 1919); m.1900 Marie of Greece

5) Alexander (1866-1933); m.1894 GDss Xenia (1875-1960)

6) Sergei (1869-executed at Alapaievsk 1918)

7) Alexis (1875-1895).

So you can see there were only 3 siblings who lived passed the revolution. Alexander died in exile in France--he and Xenia are both buried on the Riviera. Anastasia died in Nice. Miche-Miche died in London where he had spent much of his life following his marriage.

The Riviera was tremendously popular with this branch. Anastasia spent much of her life there--she hated life in Schwerin and after her widowhood rarely stepped foot back there. Her daughter Alexandrine married the future Christian X of Denmark in Cannes. Miche-Miche had a house there and spent his time split between the Riviera and London.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Daniela on February 03, 2006, 08:17:59 AM
Olga's eldest sister was Alexandrina, Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha. She was nineteen years older than Olga. Did they had some contact? How did Alexandrine felt at the fact that Olga had seven children and herself wasn't blessed with them? :(

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on February 04, 2006, 09:32:38 AM
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Olga's eldest sister was Alexandrina, Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha. She was nineteen years older than Olga. Did they had some contact? How did Alexandrine felt at the fact that Olga had seven children and herself wasn't blessed with them? :(

Daniela


I wonder about relations between 2 sisters too. I've been searching for such info but still nothing  :(.  I don't think they were very close to each other becouse of the great difference in ages. Moreover, Alexandrine was quite an opposite person to Olga (Cecilie), they had absolutely different natures. I guess Olga inherited her mother's personality, GDss Sophie was a notorious intrigante...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2006, 11:44:56 AM
Cecile's family

Parents: Grand Duke Leopold of Baden (1790-1852); m.1819 Sophie of Sweden (1801-1865)
 
Siblings:

1) Alexandrine (1820-1904); m.1842 Duke Ernst II of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (sister-in-law to Queen Victoria)

2) Ludwig Karl Friedrich Leopold (Oct 1822-Nov 1822)

3) Grand Duke Ludwig II of Baden (1824-1858)

4) Grand Duke Friedrich I of Baden (1826-1907); m.1856 Luise of Prussia (Vicky's sister-in-law)

5)Wilhelm (1829-1897); m.1863 Maria Romanowsky (1841-1914)

6) Karl (1832-1906); m.(morgantically) 1871 Rosalie Luise von Beust, created 1871 Grafin von Rhena

7) Marie Amalie (1834-1899); m.1858 Ernst Furst zu Leiningen (QV's nephew who lived a good deal in England)

Nieces/Nephews:

Friedrich I's children:

Grand Duke Friedrich II of Baden (1857-1928); m. 1885 Hilda of Nassau, Pss of Luxemburg (this is 'good' Fritz that QV wanted Ella to marry)

Victoria (1862-1930); m.1881 Gustaf V of Sweden (her cousin Nikolai Mikhailovich wanted to marry her but couldn't because they were first cousins)

Ludwig (1865-1888)

Ludwig's children:

Marie (1865-1939); m. 1889 Friedrich, Duke of Anhalt

Maximilian (1867-1929); m.1900 Marie Luise of Hannover(Thyra's daughter and MF's niece; this is the Max of Baden who was engaged to Helen Vladimirovna)

Marie-Amelie's children:

Emich Furst zu Leiningen (1866-1939); m.1894 Feodore zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (his son would marry Ducky's daughter Marie; both Emich and Feodore were related to Queen Victoria and Emich was actually born at Osborne, as was a sister, Alberta, who lived less than a year)

So Cecile had quite a few connections to QV and QV actually wrote favorably of her and GD Michael when they visited England, probably on a visit to Ernst and Marie, both of whom were very close to QV--and QV wasn't easily impressed by Romanov males.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Linnea on June 08, 2006, 01:18:27 PM
Hello,

I would like to see some pictures of GD Serge Michailovich (1869-1918)
The only picture I could found:
(http://www.holy-transfiguration.org/imag_lib/paley7.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 09, 2006, 07:55:06 AM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/serguei_mikhailovitch1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/img1051.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: LisaG on August 13, 2007, 09:52:07 AM
Can anyone tell me how Alexis died and if there are any pictures of him?  (The one above doesn't show up anymore.)  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 13, 2007, 11:38:22 AM
Can anyone tell me how Alexis died and if there are any pictures of him?  (The one above doesn't show up anymore.)  Thanks so much!

Charlotte Zeepvat wrote that he came down with a severe chill but was later revealed to have tuberculosis and had suffered ill health for quite awhile. His condition eventually worsened and he was sent to San Remo to help his health along--this was where the future Emperor Frederick III went for his cancer as well. He died not long after.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/img1011.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/187520Alexis1mikhailovich.jpg)

There's another photo in Camera and the Tsars.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2007, 12:22:04 PM
I had posted this picture a loooong ago :), guess the thread is gone, so once again.

The Mikhailovichi. You can see GD Alexey M. in the bottom of the pic, at left, sitting on the ground in front of his father.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgafamily.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on September 05, 2007, 11:46:34 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/SERGEM.jpg)
Grand Duke Sergei
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 02, 2007, 07:33:23 AM
Grand Duchess Olga Fedorovna and one of her sons

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/olgason.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: GDNastya on February 03, 2008, 07:33:27 AM
Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r174/GDNastya/of2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 15, 2008, 01:06:59 PM
Cecile's family

Parents: Grand Duke Leopold of Baden (1790-1852); m.1819 Sophie of Sweden (1801-1865)
 
Siblings:

1) Alexandrine (1820-1904); m.1842 Duke Ernst II of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (sister-in-law to Queen Victoria)

2) Ludwig Karl Friedrich Leopold (Oct 1822-Nov 1822)

3) Grand Duke Ludwig II of Baden (1824-1858)

4) Grand Duke Friedrich I of Baden (1826-1907); m.1856 Luise of Prussia (Vicky's sister-in-law)

5)Wilhelm (1829-1897); m.1863 Maria Romanowsky (1841-1914)

6) Karl (1832-1906); m.(morgantically) 1871 Rosalie Luise von Beust, created 1871 Grafin von Rhena

7) Marie Amalie (1834-1899); m.1858 Ernst Furst zu Leiningen (QV's nephew who lived a good deal in England)

Nieces/Nephews:

Friedrich I's children:

Grand Duke Friedrich II of Baden (1857-1928); m. 1885 Hilda of Nassau, Pss of Luxemburg (this is 'good' Fritz that QV wanted Ella to marry)

Victoria (1862-1930); m.1881 Gustaf V of Sweden (her cousin Nikolai Mikhailovich wanted to marry her but couldn't because they were first cousins)

Ludwig (1865-1888)

Ludwig's children:

Marie (1865-1939); m. 1889 Friedrich, Duke of Anhalt

Maximilian (1867-1929); m.1900 Marie Luise of Hannover(Thyra's daughter and MF's niece; this is the Max of Baden who was engaged to Helen Vladimirovna)

Marie-Amelie's children:

Emich Furst zu Leiningen (1866-1939); m.1894 Feodore zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (his son would marry Ducky's daughter Marie; both Emich and Feodore were related to Queen Victoria and Emich was actually born at Osborne, as was a sister, Alberta, who lived less than a year)

So Cecile had quite a few connections to QV and QV actually wrote favorably of her and GD Michael when they visited England, probably on a visit to Ernst and Marie, both of whom were very close to QV--and QV wasn't easily impressed by Romanov males.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 15, 2008, 01:09:40 PM

Photos courtesy of Gem 10


(http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/8/13/mystic_gem/f_olgafedorm_fb0b47e.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 15, 2008, 01:46:42 PM
I've been meaning to start a thread on this Grand Duchess for some months :)). But as always it happens I don't have enough  time.

Some time ago I did a special research on Olga Fedorovna as I was much intrigued by her person. Personally I am very interested in controversial characters and don't like to label historical figures only "black" or "white". Most of the contemporaries of the Grand Duchess as many historians thought Olga Fedorovna just a high-society sharp-tongued lady without any other hobbies but gossiping and caring about privileges for her children.
The facts on her are mainly from the very subjective journals of Alexander Polovtsov, State Secretary in the Alexander III's reign. Polovtzov was a witty and very-well educated person with ambitions close to the Imperial Family, Alexander III trusted him. But at the same time Polovtzov was a definite misantrope who thought too much of himself and his intelligence, so he often judged people too severe and one-sidedly and we can't trust to all his words, revelations and judgements. Well, this Polovtov left us a portrait of the Grand Duchess such like this: acid-tongued, quarrelsome,living in idleness (wihout any social duties such as charity  for example) woman who did nothing but sitting in her palace on the bank of the Neva river and gazing through the window onto the walking people and speaking nasty things about them. Also she considered most of her sons fools and she freely called them so in the front of the other people...She quarreled with Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-elder, told dirty stories about Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovitch..all in all she just adored to  add fresh fuel in quarrels and enjoyed it. Not a nice portrait of the Grand Duchess as you see..And by the way the same Polovtzov after Olga Fedorovna's death admitted that she had been of course not an angel but anyway a clever woman but without much education.

Some new facts I found in my research on Olga Fedorovna's life, for example, that she did take part in a social work when being in the Caucasus.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on June 15, 2008, 07:36:30 PM
Thank you Svetabel for that...who would say that she that ''bad''...she has,or rather had such a mild facial expression...Very strange for a woman who was mocked allways by rumors to be that nasty...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2008, 08:18:41 AM
Olga Fedorovna

(http://www.picatom.com/k/%20%20%20-90-th.JPG) (http://www.picatom.com/k/%20%20%20-90.html)


(http://www.picatom.com/k/%20%20%20_-31-th.JPG) (http://www.picatom.com/k/%20%20%20_-31.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 16, 2008, 09:02:10 AM
Thank you grandduchess ella for your pics ! Are there photos of this grand duchess in her older age?  Did they had a palace in St. Petersburg ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2008, 09:10:24 AM
Did they had a palace in St. Petersburg ?

You can have a look at the threads about the Imperial residences, there's a thread on the NovoMikhailovskiy Palace.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2008, 09:15:22 AM
A quote from my own research on Olga Fedorovna:

"She was born as Princess Cäcilie of Baden , on 20 September  1839, youngest daughter of Grand Duke Leopold of Baden (1790-1852) and Grand Duchess Sophie (nee Princess of Sweden) (1801-65). There were rumours that Cäcilie was not her father’s offspring but a natural daughter of Grand Duchess Sophie and a Jew named Haber. The Russian Emperor  Alexander III, who did not like Olga Fedorovna, sometimes called Grand Duchess behind her back “Auntie Haber” meaning Olga’s features and hinting at her possible illegitimacy.

Cäcilie had 5 siblings.
1.Alexandrine (1820-1904 ), unfortunate spouse of the ill-famous Duke Ernst II of Saxe-Coburg.
2. Ludwig (1824-58), died unmarried and insane?
3. Friedrich I (1826-1907 ), Grand Duke of Baden since 1852, married Princess Luise of Preussen, daughter of Kaiser Wilhelm I
3.Wilhelm (1829-1907 ), had a connection with the Romanovs as he married in 1863 Princess Marie of Leuchtenberg (1841-1914), granddaughter of the Emperor Nicholas I.
4. Karl (1832-1906 ), married morganatically 1871 Rosalie von Beust (1845-1908), she was given the title Gräfin von Rhena
5. Marie (1834- 99 ), spouse of  Furst of Leiningen, a famous fashion-lady of her time.

It seemed that the Baden family had  a rather bad reputation within the Royal circles after the scandal with Kaspar Hauser in the late 1820s. There were persistent rumours around the Europe that Grand Duchess Sophie, mother of Cacilie, secretly ordered to kill unfortunate Kaspar Hauser, probably a son of Grand Duke Karl Ludwig of Baden (1786-1818) and Stephanie Beauharnais. The reasons for Sophie doing so (if she really organized Hauser’s murder) were complicated: firstly, her husband Leopold descended from a morganatical branch of the Baden family (his mother was Luise von Heyer, a commoner) and thus did not have in fact the rights to the Baden crown. Secondly, Sophie itself had had time to gulp down grievances as a daughter of exiled and insane King Gustaf of Sweden, so she definitely did not want to be dethroned. Being a notorious intrigante, if compared to her rather weak husband, Sophie was seriously suspected in organizing Kaspar’s death. His shadow was not leaving the Badens in peace for many years: Prince Ludwig (1824-58), eldest son of Leopold and Sophie, died young and insane., another Ludwig (1864-88), eldest son of Friedrich I  also died young – there was a talk of damnation on the Grand Ducal family. Truth this all was or not one never know…

I did not find out in Russian sources much about Cacilie’s childhood and relations within her family, though some hints we can read in the memoirs of her son Grand Duke Alexander, who wrote that the upbringing of his mother had been Spartan supposedly due the fact that Bismarck “with blood and iron” united Germany those times. Actually such an explain sounds strangely and somewhat unconvincingly. Possibly the relationship between Baden parents and their children was simply strained, probably parents did not care much about childrens’ education and so on…(I think Alexander M. just wanted to free his mother from some accusations and justify her lack of tenderness as she even had not been able to caress her own children and considered most of them fools. Though she adored her first-born son Nikolai and had a good opinion on Alexander).

Anyway Cacilie grown into a sharp-tongued girl, witty, not very well-educated and not radiant with striking beauty.
In 1857 she married Grand Duke  Mikhail Nikolayevitch, youngest son of the Emperor Nicholas I , converted into the Orthodox and became “Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna”. Grand Duke Mikhail loved his wife deeply all his life and was under her strong influence, they were like poles apart and this seemed only helped to cement their alliance. Mikhail was kind, calm, rather dull man who would have been completely happy to devote himself only to the artillery and his family, and he did not shine with exceptional intellect. On the other hand Olga Fedorovna was lively, sharp-tongued, witty society-lady, very fond of bearing malicious tales and gossips – gossip was a main purport of her existence as her contemporaries said, or at least it seemed so. "
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2008, 01:07:46 PM
QV to Vicky Windsor 24 Oct 1860

"They (Michael & Cecile) came to luncheon on Monday and stayed till  yesterday. Dear Marie L (Leiningen, nee Baden) came with them. They were both most amiable and friendly. Cecile is as unlike her sister as possible--but Marie says her features are like their brother Carl. The features are fine bu the figure is not good and she stoops and bends which spoils her very much; she is very good humoured, merry and agreeable and clever, and the sisters were so happy together...The Grand Duke is really quite charming--so mild and gentle and gemutlich--always speaking German, and so unlike his brother Constantine and his sisters. We were charmed with him, and I hear whereever he goes--high and low, love him...he looks very delicate, and so I think does she...They say that the little boy of Cecile's is lovely. Unfortunately I could not see him."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 18, 2008, 09:11:46 AM
If I understand, was grand duchess Olga F. the mother of the grand duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna (1860-1922), grand duchess of Mecklenburg Schwerin ? Are there pictures of mother and daughter together?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 18, 2008, 11:36:24 AM
Yes, she was Anastasia's mother. I think the resemblance is striking. This, of course, makes Cecile the grandmother of CPss Cecile of Germany and of Queen Alexandrine of Denmark.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 19, 2008, 03:55:26 AM
If I understand, was grand duchess Olga F. the mother of the grand duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna (1860-1922), grand duchess of Mecklenburg Schwerin ? Are there pictures of mother and daughter together?

Actually I've never seen their photo together, though I guess such pictures can be somewhere in the Archives.

GD Alexander M., son of Olga Fedorovna, says in his memoirs that Anastasia was a favourite child of the parents and they were deeply upset by her marriage and departure to Germany. But at the same time Alexander Polotzov claims in his journals that mother and daughter didn't get along well and Anastasia was her father's fave not mother's.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 19, 2008, 06:18:15 AM
If I understand, was grand duchess Olga F. the mother of the grand duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna (1860-1922), grand duchess of Mecklenburg Schwerin ? Are there pictures of mother and daughter together?

Actually I've never seen their photo together, though I guess such pictures can be somewhere in the Archives.

GD Alexander M., son of Olga Fedorovna, says in his memoirs that Anastasia was a favourite child of the parents and they were deeply upset by her marriage and departure to Germany. But at the same time Alexander Polotzov claims in his journals that mother and daughter didn't get along well and Anastasia was her father's fave not mother's.

Anastasia seems to have carried some bitterness about her upbringing and relationship with her mother too - her daughter Cecilie recounts presumably from family lore that at a party to celebrate her engagement AM comitted some infraction and was sent to bed (by Olga) like a naughty child. There was also an incident involving an apricot tree whch belonged to Anastasia but whose fruit she was not allowed to eat.

My favourite story about Olga concerns her arrival in Tiflis. The local people threw flowers on the ground under the carraiges as Olga and Mikhail passed, and the Uncle of Count Witte, who was in the crowd, was heard to observe loudly that the tight-fisted Grand Duchess would be delighted since she could have them swept up and fed to the horses....
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 20, 2008, 01:26:18 AM
Nice story Janet...

are there photos of Olga F. in court dress ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 23, 2008, 08:34:53 AM
I mean a costume like this:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bild:Anasztaszija_MihajlovnaRomanova.jpg&filetimestamp=20071230102446

It's Olga's daughter Anastasia Mikhailovna, in 1878
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 23, 2008, 12:21:15 PM
Nice story Janet...

are there photos of Olga F. in court dress ?

I've not seen a photo but I think there are some watercolours by the court painters.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 24, 2008, 10:28:50 AM
What was her relationship with her husband like? He didn't marry again after her death..
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 24, 2008, 12:27:32 PM
What was her relationship with her husband like? He didn't marry again after her death..

Their's was a love match. She was a leader in their marraige.
And Luc, please, read the previous page. Grandduchessella and I had wrote some lines about that.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 27, 2008, 06:26:26 AM
In the book The Camera and the Tsars I read that Olga F. complained an ill-health and chased an elusive cure around the spa towns of Europe. Can anyone explain this?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 27, 2008, 06:52:56 AM
From Charlotte Zeepvat's The Camera and the Tsars, page 31, about Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich:

"Grand Duke Mikhail, on the other hand, kept the respect and love of the family through three generations, eventually becoming its elder statesman and a man trusted implicitly by three tsars- forur, if we include his father. Like his brother Nikolai, he too was a soldier and first saw action in the Crimea. "

So we can conclude that Mikhail was the most respectable of his three brothers (Alexander, Konstantin and Nikolai)


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 28, 2008, 02:29:34 AM
In the book The Camera and the Tsars I read that Olga F. complained an ill-health and chased an elusive cure around the spa towns of Europe. Can anyone explain this?

It's natural that she could complain an ill-health as she gave birth to 7 children till 1859 to 1875. Also she was not loved by the most of the Imperial Family, so obviuosly tried to spend her time out of St-Petersbourg as long as she could afford it.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 28, 2008, 08:19:31 AM
From Charlotte Zeepvat's The Camera and the Tsars, page 31, about Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich:

"Grand Duke Mikhail, on the other hand, kept the respect and love of the family through three generations, eventually becoming its elder statesman and a man trusted implicitly by three tsars- forur, if we include his father. Like his brother Nikolai, he too was a soldier and first saw action in the Crimea. "

So we can conclude that Mikhail was the most respectable of his three brothers (Alexander, Konstantin and Nikolai)




Personally, I would conclude that Mikhail was good at telling people what they wanted to hear and rocking no boats.  ;D To be fair, this was exactly how he was raised: to be unquestioingly loyal to the Tsar. In his own words, he poor man was chosen for roles in which he would sit "like a turkey" and not offend anyone.
I have more respect for Konstantin Nikolaevich, who DID rock boats, and shouted at people, and fell out with Alexander III (which was at least as much Alexander's fault as Konstantin's), but who was a real reformer and a mover and shaker in Alexander II's day.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 30, 2008, 07:17:02 AM
So she was a bit like her sister- in-law the tsarina? She also had a bad health and left St.Petersburg often. Was it Olga's idea to marry off Stassie to the grand duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin ? Or did Anastsia choose him herself?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2008, 07:30:28 AM
So she was a bit like her sister- in-law the tsarina? She also had a bad health and left St.Petersburg often. Was it Olga's idea to marry off Stassie to the grand duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin ? Or did Anastsia choose him herself?

The idea of marrying Anastasia was GDss Maria Pavlovna-elder's who wanted to find a suitable and rich wife for her brother Friedrich Franz.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on June 30, 2008, 08:47:04 AM
But you said that Maria Pavlovna and Olga were often quarreling ???
And did Anastasia and Friedrich Franz become happy in their marriage...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
But you said that Maria Pavlovna and Olga were often quarreling ???
And did Anastasia and Friedrich Franz become happy in their marriage...

They began constant quarrelling in the 1880s. Also the idea of marriage did not mean that Maria Pavlovna adored Olga Fedorovna, she just wanted to find a rich wife for her brother.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on July 02, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
Photos courtesy of Svetabel


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgafamily.jpg)




Could anyone say who are the grand dukes at the first picture ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on July 02, 2008, 01:26:25 PM


Could anyone say who are the grand dukes at the first picture ?

On the ground: GD Alexei M. and GD Nikolai M.

Standing behind their parents (from left to right): GD MIkhail M., GD Georgiy M., GD Sergei M.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: somiller on July 06, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
I'm new here and I would like to start a topic specific about the grand duchess Olga Feodorovna, born princess of Baden, wife of the grand duke Mikhail Nikholaievich, son of tsar Nicholas I. If you have photos, info, pictures, please post then !

I am new to this as well.  I would like info on Olga's father "Herr Haber".  It has been a well known in my family that her father was actually a brother to a distant grandfather.  My family has lived  in the US since 1850 but this story was passed down to me.  Their name was Strupp and he was Jewish.  Does anyone have any confirmation on this story?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 06, 2008, 06:33:14 PM
I'm new here and I would like to start a topic specific about the grand duchess Olga Feodorovna, born princess of Baden, wife of the grand duke Mikhail Nikholaievich, son of tsar Nicholas I. If you have photos, info, pictures, please post then !

I am new to this as well.  I would like info on Olga's father "Herr Haber".  It has been a well known in my family that her father was actually a brother to a distant grandfather.  My family has lived  in the US since 1850 but this story was passed down to me.  Their name was Strupp and he was Jewish.  Does anyone have any confirmation on this story?

Actually, this was likely gossip and only gossip and is yet another example to illustrate for us that gossip is not harmless, it can be a very painful business for those affected by it. If you must discuss this, kindly use the word "alleged" unless you have actual proof.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2008, 12:07:04 PM
GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch (he is the spitting image of his mother)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mikhmkih.jpg)

GD Sergei Mikhailovitch

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/sergemikh.jpg)

GD Georgiy Mikhailovitch

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/georgmikh.jpg)

GD Alexei Mikhailovitch

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/alexmikh.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Luc on September 19, 2008, 10:00:31 AM
How was her relationship with her sister-in-law grand duchess Alexandra Iosifovna ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on September 21, 2008, 10:51:34 AM
How was her relationship with her sister-in-law grand duchess Alexandra Iosifovna ?

Nothing special. They were neither friends nor enemies.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2008, 05:21:09 PM
I wias looking for pictures of Sergei and i found this wonderful portrait, displayed in Catherine s Palace

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/3031626240_72a3c96f0d.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: alixaannencova on February 15, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
This has probably been asked already and I am no doubt not looking properly, but I just have a query about properties.

I have noticed that the Konstantinovhi 'seem' to have come off rather better than the Mikhailovichi and the Nikolaevichi in the settlement of estates and was wondering if I have missed something here.

From what I can gather, Konstantine Nikolaevich inherited Stelna and Pavlovsk as well as the Marble palace, whist Nicholas Nikolaevich had the Nicholas Palace at St Petersburg built for him, did he receive Znamenka as his out of town place, or did he inherit some other estate. As to Mikhail Pavlovich., I gather the Mikhailovsky (Russian Museum) was built for him and he inherited Oranienbaum as his place in the country...is that right? With regards to Mikhail Nikolaevich, I gather he had the Novomikhailovsky Palace at St Petersburg and Mikhailovkaya built on acres granted to him.

Did Paul, Nicholas I and Alexander II put money aside into funds to provide their younger sons with lump sums with which to fund the building of homes in the capital and also set aside property/land elsewhere to provide them with country residences. Sorry if this has been covered but I must admit sometimes I do find trying to thing of the appropriate phrase/wording on the search menu quite a challenge...! And I was rather struck by how lucky the Konstantinovichi seem to have been, having possession of both Strelna and Pavlovsk when the Mikhailovichi seemed to have all been crammed into Mikhailovskaya and I assume Nikolasha ,Petia, Stana and Militza shared Znamenka, it just seems rather odd and a tad unfair in a way....if I have calculated things properly! And to think of the Strelitzy cousins rattling around Oranienbaum too....did 'they' have possession of all the buildings there, or just one?


 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Janet Ashton on February 15, 2009, 06:22:44 AM
This has probably been asked already and I am no doubt not looking properly, but I just have a query about properties.

I have noticed that the Konstantinovhi 'seem' to have come off rather better than the Mikhailovichi and the Nikolaevichi in the settlement of estates and was wondering if I have missed something here.

From what I can gather, Konstantine Nikolaevich inherited Stelna and Pavlovsk as well as the Marble palace, whist Nicholas Nikolaevich had the Nicholas Palace at St Petersburg built for him, did he receive Znamenka as his out of town place, or did he inherit some other estate. As to Mikhail Pavlovich., I gather the Mikhailovsky (Russian Museum) was built for him and he inherited Oranienbaum as his place in the country...is that right? With regards to Mikhail Nikolaevich, I gather he had the Novomikhailovsky Palace at St Petersburg and Mikhailovkaya built on acres granted to him.

Did Paul, Nicholas I and Alexander II put money aside into funds to provide their younger sons with lump sums with which to fund the building of homes in the capital and also set aside property/land elsewhere to provide them with country residences. Sorry if this has been covered but I must admit sometimes I do find trying to thing of the appropriate phrase/wording on the search menu quite a challenge...! And I was rather struck by how lucky the Konstantinovichi seem to have been, having possession of both Strelna and Pavlovsk when the Mikhailovichi seemed to have all been crammed into Mikhailovskaya and I assume Nikolasha ,Petia, Stana and Militza shared Znamenka, it just seems rather odd and a tad unfair in a way....if I have calculated things properly! And to think of the Strelitzy cousins rattling around Oranienbaum too....did 'they' have possession of all the buildings there, or just one?


 

Konstantin Nikolaevich was the second son - and eventually the Emperor's eldest brother, so I supppose in a sense it was considered natural he would be favoured over his younger brothers!  :) But from what I understand it was Nicholas I's intention to provide each of his sons (and his daughter Maria, who remained in Russia after her marraige) with a town and country house, albeit in Konstantin's case he inherited the properties of his namesake Konstantin Pavlovich, who was without any other legimate heir, whereas his younger brothers and his sister had homes purpose-built in Petersburg at least. Strelna and the Marble Palace had essentially been made over to Konstantin before either of his younger brothers was born, as their uncle died in 1831, without having lived in either house for years.

I believe that Konstantin N. acquired Pavlovsk due to his uncle Mikhail Pavlovich's lack of a male heir - though whether the house came to him directly through Mikhail's will or through M's widow Elena (of whom he was a great favourite and substitute son I'd say) I am unsure. He also inherited Oreanda in the Crimea from his own mother. Perhaps that particular instance WAS a case of favouring him unfairly over the younger brothers..... :D

His younger brothers didn't do so badly though: these palaces were hardly cramped, and don't forget that Mikhail Nikolaevich was for many years viceroy of the Caucasus and acquired a substantial estate there (Borzhomi) about the funding of which there were various rumours and scandalous tales. Mikhail's and Nikolai's sons were able to fund the building of their own houses - or acquired them through marriage in the case of the one Sandro lived in with Xenia Alexandrovna. Nikolai Mikhailovich and Mikhail Mikhailovich certainly built their own homes - though M didn't even live in his Petersburg palace in the end - as did Nikolai Nikolaevich: they were not obliged as adults to live with their parents   :) (in NN's case it would have been difficult since his parent's home was sold after his father's death in any case, to settle the debts). Several of the Mikhailovichi also acquired homes on the Riviera, and Ai Todor in the Crimea was their mother's and eventually Sandro's.

Anyway, that's as much as I can say from memory without hunting for a bunch of books; hope it makes sense......When Nicholas I was providing his sons with their houses I suppose he wasn't necessarily anticipating the needs of future generations; it was essentially up to them how they made provision for this.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on April 16, 2009, 10:45:50 AM
GD Mikhail Nikolaevich
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6883/gdmichaelnikolaevich.jpg)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9010/gdmikhailnikolaevich.jpg)

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4346/gdmichaelnicholaevich.jpg)

GD Mikhail with GD Olga and children: Nicholas and Anastasia
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3172/gdmikhail.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 16, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
Mikhail and Olga

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2a8qmp1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 16, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
It nice to know that Grand Duke Mikail Nikolaievich had a happy marriage. Even thought his wife was a quite nasty (from which i heard).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on April 17, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
She was good mother and devoted wife, but in one point she completely did not agree with her husband: she did not accept Katierina Dolgorukaya - neither as tsar's mistress nor as his wife.

GD Olga Feodorovna with her son Sergei
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9025/dsc09320.jpg)

Little "Bimbo"
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7052/gdnicholasmikhailovichj.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 17, 2009, 12:23:16 PM
She was good mother and devoted wife, but in one point she completely did not agree with her husband: she did not accept Katierina Dolgorukaya - neither as tsar's mistress nor as his wife.


That was not a very positive behavior, but maybe she was not totally wrong in my opinion.


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: kmerov on May 03, 2009, 08:48:57 AM
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich.
Empress Maria Feodorovna called him, " a gold person in every aspect."

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/gdMikhailNicholaevich.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on May 23, 2009, 02:30:22 AM
GD Nicholas Mikhailovich
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9935/bimbo2.jpg)

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1875/bimboonthepolarstar.jpg)

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1779/bombo.jpg)



Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on May 23, 2009, 12:32:19 PM
Sergei Mikhailovich :-)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7126/sergj.jpg)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3931/sergyei.jpg)

(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9069/zoomphp.jpg)

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3867/sergyei2.jpg)

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2435/dsc09308.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on May 26, 2009, 02:34:55 AM
GD Mikhail Nikolaevich
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9371/fatherr.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 26, 2009, 12:32:44 AM
Interesting info that GD Sergei Mikhailovitch had a son. He was adopted by the Dehn family, his name - Alexander Dehn (1908-1979). The mother was Countess Varvara Vorontsova-Dashkova (1870-1915), widow of Count Ivan Vorontsov-Dashkov. Seemed GD Sergei was very close to the family of the Vorontsov-Dashkov.

Here's the thread related to this subject:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6444.30;topicseen (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6444.30;topicseen)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 19, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
Photograph of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich, from the Russian State Film and Photo Archive, Krasnogorsk.

http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/zoom.php?676
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 19, 2009, 08:45:52 AM
Another photo of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich, still from the Russian State Film and Photo Archive, Krasnogorsk.

http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/zoom.php?750
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on July 26, 2009, 03:28:35 AM

Can anyone tell me how Alexis died and if there are any pictures of him?  (The one above doesn't show up anymore.)  Thanks so much!


Charlotte Zeepvat wrote that he came down with a severe chill but was later revealed to have tuberculosis and had suffered ill health for quite awhile. His condition eventually worsened and he was sent to San Remo to help his health along--this was where the future Emperor Frederick III went for his cancer as well. He died not long after.


As for the cause of GD Alexei Mikhailovitch's death I had came across an interesting note in the memoirs of GD Kyrill. Kyrll writes that Alexei, when he was ending his naval practical lessons , caught a bad cold after a wild wind. He always was very weak in health and doctors advised him to break the lessons for cure. But his father GD Mikhail with his larger-than-life sense of obligation convinced on Alexei's continuing the lessons. As a result Alexei broke down with double pneumonia and died.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 29, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich

(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/1122/2829810900101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2829810900101857556JCpsVU)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 02, 2009, 10:32:29 AM
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich again...

(http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/15754/2874303220101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2874303220101857556JDpCFg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2009, 11:06:39 AM
Alexei Nikolaevich (His niece, Cecilie of Mecklenburg-schwerin looks a lot like him)

(http://i25.tinypic.com/9h429x.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 17, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
The four Mikhailovich Brothers

(http://i31.tinypic.com/aagc43.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Sasha_Katerina on October 29, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
The four Mikhailovich Brothers

(http://i31.tinypic.com/aagc43.jpg)

wonderful picture, katenka :)
there is a much larger version of this photo on NM's wikipedia page:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sergei_and_his_brothers.jpg

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on November 01, 2009, 10:56:37 AM
 
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/mikolvitch%20fam/hpqscan0006-1.jpg)
From Romanoff: un album de famille by Jacques Ferrand. 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2010, 09:17:29 AM
Princess Elena (Nelly) Mikhailovna Baryatinskaya, mistress of GD Nikolai Mikhailovitch to whom he was being very devoted for many years. She was older than her lover and here she is in 1873-1874 year

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/file.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 02, 2010, 10:11:49 AM
Mikhail Nikolaevich among other officers circa 1860

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/949/grossfuerstmichaelderbr.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 09:19:42 AM
Nicholas Mikhailovich AKa Bimbo

(http://i42.tinypic.com/14m9h5e.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 08, 2010, 10:34:58 AM

Mikhail Nicolaevich

(http://i47.tinypic.com/nfpu9v.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 08:04:22 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1863-1.jpg)

In 1863

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1863.jpg)

And in 1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1865ed.jpg)

The source is the Russian State Archive
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 08:29:46 AM
Olga and little Nicholas

(http://i46.tinypic.com/fo0p5d.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 04, 2010, 09:05:23 AM
From the same source above

(http://i48.tinypic.com/16gwd3b.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 08:04:18 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/mikolvitch%20fam/gdsergeim001.jpg)
Grand Duke Sergei
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 14, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
Mikhail Nicolaevich

(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/74/attach1.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/attach1.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on August 22, 2010, 03:55:22 PM
Mikhail Nikolaevich
(http://www.hrono.ru/img/lica/mihail_nik.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 15, 2010, 02:34:25 PM
This one is kind of funny

From left to right : GD Nikolai Nikolaevich, GD Mikhaíl Nikolaevich, Unknown, grand chambelán Vasili Olsufiev (in the  Bathtub) and count Karl of Lambert.

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7726/granduquenikolainikolae.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/granduquenikolainikolae.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on September 15, 2010, 11:26:07 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/mikolvitch%20fam/gds21001-1.jpg)
Grand Duke Mikhail Nicolaevich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on September 22, 2010, 12:12:49 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/gdolgafeo001-1.jpg)
GD Olga Feodorovna.
I apologize for the poor quality of the scan.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on September 22, 2010, 02:33:14 AM
GD Olga Feodorovna

(http://pics.livejournal.com/gogm/pic/000xsr6a.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 06:59:40 AM
its ok Ashanti. I love to see new images of her! *0*

here another from the GARFK

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1681/olgafyoiii.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/olgafyoiii.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on September 28, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
GD Serge Mikhailovich with his father GD Mikhail Nikolaevich ( in the carriage)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2847/serge7.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on October 15, 2010, 09:14:45 AM
GD Michail Nikolaevich
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/108/ofoto33.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on October 20, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
GD Nicholas Michailovich
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1678/ra9329.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 23, 2010, 12:53:13 PM


Gd Mikhail Nicolaevich by Krueger

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7162/mikhailnkrueger.jpg) (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/mikhailnkrueger.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on November 14, 2010, 01:34:00 PM
Sergei Michailovich
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8764/29263061.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Olgasha on November 18, 2010, 07:30:37 AM
GD Michail Nikolaevich

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3594/mihailnikolaevichromano.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: violetta on December 05, 2010, 08:58:56 AM
Some extracts on Olga Feodorovna from "The White Crow", a book on GD Nikolay Mikhailovich,her son, a historian


" She was quite intelligent and something of a bluestocking. Her letters to her son Niki  frequently attest to this bent, and she may have been the guiding force that directed her eldest son into a life of a scholar. "Don`t forget to send the new books", she wrote to him in the late sumer of 1888, " Also, if it exists, a small edition of Moliere".

She was "the iron will of the family, the stern disciplinarian, a typical German matriarch, while her husband seems to have shown what little parental compassion and tenderness the children received".


"Her motherly instincts were virtually non-existent".


"She was sharp-tongued, very critical of others, and a rather neurotic hypochondriac, who complined endlessly about her health. She dominated her family, and one gathers that she henpecked her rather mild-mannered husband. She was not warn to her children and was quite frank in her appraisal of them. She could be rather cruelly unkind, as she was to her son Mikhail,whom she repeatedly told was stupid... Her younger   son Alexander remembered as he was departing ror a three-year naval cruise she directed an ensign on his ship `to take care of the boy`.Alexander was surprised and touched ... but noted that his mother ...showed him very little love when as a child he needed it most."


While her husband treated his children equally, probably showing his favoritism to his only daughter Anastasia, GD Olga Feodorovna "was openly partial".  "Niki was unquestionably her favorite child, the one on whom she would bestow whatver  maternal affection she was able to show, and her favoritism was known even outside the family".

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: violetta on December 05, 2010, 09:08:10 AM
olga feodorovna

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/377px-OlgaFeodorovnaofbaden.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 06, 2010, 07:09:05 AM
She reminds me very much of Margaret Hamilton
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: violetta on December 06, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
Margaret Hailton looked like a witch but Olga Feodorovna certainly didn`t! Though she wasn`t the most pleasant lady on the Earth! ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 07, 2010, 06:09:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgafed.jpg) (http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/women&CISOPTR=6&DMSCALE=100.00000&DMWIDTH=750&DMHEIGHT=1600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&REC=1&DMTHUMB=0&DMROTATE=0)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Margaret_Hamilton_in_Nothing_Sacred_2.jpg) (http://pics.livejournal.com/gogm/pic/000xsr6a.jpg)

I think there is a certain resemblance.....    Margaret had to look crumpy for her roles!

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: violetta on December 11, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
Nikolay Mikhailovich enjoyed very close,some would even say,oedipalrelation with his mother. He seemed to report about all the,even most insignificant,events to her. and he always ended his letters with "i kiss you with all my soul". once, nikolay`s brother visited is mother,and olfa feodorovna admitted that she would have preferred nikolay to his spouses.

What`s interesting, she always informed him about the weather wherever she was. And at times she even draw something like a smiley at the bottom of the page.  And of course she complianed about her sleeplessness, how stupid other people were, how tired she was etc. she even informed hi about her constipation :-[

she was "a very active"consort acompanying her husband to diffrent occasions. Whenever couldnt attend an event she atended for him. Se often took her children to such occasions.

On the whole,family life of olga feodorovna &mikhail nikolaevich was stable. when in 1885 olga feodorovna spent a lot of time in the south of fraisnce mikhail nikolaevich complained of his loneliness.

apparently, hiswife`s faults didn`t prevent the couple from enjoying harmonious relationship. may be, teir contrasting personality just suitedeach other?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: violetta on December 12, 2010, 01:44:54 AM
a few lines of gd nikolay mikhailovich`s letters to his mother testifying to the pathologically powerful link between the mother and the son

in 1882 " I now await with impatience your arrival"

at almost 30 he wrote:' it is 3 a m, I have not slept and I am consoling myself with writing you...what a delicious memory that I hold of the three weeks spent with you. ..Life is replete with happiness. I am crying as I write you this, and I feel unhappy because I must always run away from those  I love"

in 1887 he wrote that their estate "had an empty feeling without you"

nikolay mikhailovich also tried to please her mother particularly in the field of academic achievements. she encouraged him when he was 9 and repeated the same encouragement 10 years later

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2010, 02:46:07 AM
a few lines of gd nikolay mikhailovich`s letters to his mother testifying to the pathologically powerful link between the mother and the son






And possibly becouse of that mother-son tender connection he never married. Such possessive mothers - as Olga was with Nikolai - very often hate daughters-in-laws looking at them like rivals.
The explanation of Nikolai's never-marrying becouse of his broken heart after refusal of Viktoria of Baden (future Queen of Sweden) always make me sceptical. In spite of that broken youthful love he had a strong and long relationship with a married woman, Princess Nelly Baryatinskaya.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on December 19, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/OlgaBade.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: THERRY on December 20, 2010, 02:01:51 AM
Interesting variable of the famous painting and original background.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on December 20, 2010, 09:33:32 AM
Interesting variable of the famous painting and original background.

It is Kavkaz in the background!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on January 31, 2011, 06:24:27 AM
After re-arranging of various topics on the Mikhailovitchi large clan,now the topics look like that:

On GDss Anastasia M.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9182.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9182.0)

On GD Mikhail M.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16089.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16089.0)

On GD Georgiy M.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=601.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=601.0)

GD Alexander M. and family

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=415.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=415.0)

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14978.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14978.0)

Children and descendants of Alexander M.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=4299.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=4299.0)


This topic is about GD Mikhail N., his wife Olga Fedorovna, their family life and general info, and on GD Nikolai, Sergei and Alexei M.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 26, 2011, 04:55:55 AM
Sergei Mikhailovich:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/th_sergeim.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/?action=view&current=sergeim.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on June 13, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Does anyone have any portraits of Mikhail Nikolaevich when he was young?  I've only ever seen him as a a boy and as an old man.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 14, 2011, 08:13:41 AM
here you go

suppossed mikhail by kriehuber 1852

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7706/grossfuerstmichaelnikol.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/grossfuerstmichaelnikol.jpg/)


(http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0906/92/7380b6d58789.jpg)


(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//59/274/59274723_mihail_nikolaevich_romanov.jpg)


(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7337/mihailnikolaevich1.jpg) (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/mihailnikolaevich1.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: gem_10 on June 28, 2011, 11:36:51 PM
This portrait is identified only as Olga, Grossfurstin von Russland in a German site. I thought she looked like Olga Feodorovna so I posted it here. Name of the artist and the date it was painted is not mentioned.

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff145/tokyogensou/AK_40086937_gr_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on June 28, 2011, 11:40:20 PM
Interesting find! Really look very much like Olga F.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on June 29, 2011, 04:28:15 AM
Indeed,she does look like Olga Feodorovna...portrait above originated from a postcard in Waldleiningen museum...

Just for comaration of facial expression with Cecilie/Olga:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBeo6NIwxCM76xmPzX6Sg-jBvdL3wnB37E4gxermc42AUMe33u&t=1

The necklace is almost the same,if not the same!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on July 23, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5968058348_5418ab787b_b.jpg)

Postcard of Olga Feodorovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 26, 2011, 11:32:37 AM
Olga Fyodorovna from mids 1870s.

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4645/000z40gw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/000z40gw.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 08, 2011, 10:41:18 AM
Gd Sergei

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1116/0010da5p.jpg)

He looks so handsome *0*
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on December 17, 2011, 07:48:23 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6528624797_6ca817a83a_b.jpg)

Mikhail Nikolaevich by Zichy.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: imperial angel on April 05, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
They were certainly an interesting branch of the family.The book White Crow, while being a biography of Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovitch, has a lot of good general info on the family.Before I read that, I had not realized any member of the Romanov family considered trying to run for election after the Revolution, which Grand Duke Mikhail did consider until Kerensky told him no.If Nicholas II had had the abilities and outlook that Grand Duke Mikhail had, then the revolution might never have happened.He wasn't perfect, but he was a very able man, and a historian.Perhaps the fact that he was a historian, is what gave him the ability to see the possible future (of the dynasty among other things) clearly, as mentioned in his biography, White Crow.As the saying goes " Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it", which might also be " Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it". Knowing is one thing, understanding is another.He knew history, and understood, and therefore perhaps saw the future more clearly.It's interesting later in his 20s (after moving on from Victoria of Baden, his cousin) he considered marrying Amelie of France( Orleans, I think)( he loved anything and everybody French), but his parents disaproved, and her family did not want her to convert to Orthodoxy so he abandoned the idea.He did have a supporter though, in MF, who supported him marrying Amelie.Not surprising as she later wanted her own son Nicholas II to marry Helene of Orleans(not sure how they are related), which he howeer did not want.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 05, 2012, 02:17:03 PM
^ the two French/Olreans Princesses Ameile and Helene were sisters.

The Romanovs were distantly related to the French royal house Bourbon-Orleans by marriage. Hardly can be called cousins really. All because of religion, marriages between  Orthodox and Catholic royals were very rare. only one Russian Princess that became Queen of France and entered the French Royal Families, was Anne of Kiev (or Anna Yaroslavna), in the 1050s, before the break from Rome.

Nicholas II's uncle and Empress Marie Fyodorevna's brother Prince Waldemar of Denmark married Amelie and Helene's first cousin Marie of Orleans. One related there.

Anyways back to topic...If Michael married the French Princess Ameile ; she would have changed her religion, and possibly her name, that would have been very interesting. However the relations and rules between Orthodoxy and Catholicism weren’t as good and flexible as the Protestants and Lutherans were.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: imperial angel on April 11, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
I just realized I typed " Grand Duke Mikhail" when I meant to type " Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovitch" about the one who wanted to marry Amelie of Orleans and the one who wanted to run for election after the Revolution.I got confused for a minute between him and his father..
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 11, 2012, 11:00:21 PM
its OK, i understood ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Chris_H on April 16, 2012, 03:03:05 PM
[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture038.jpg)]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Chris_H on April 16, 2012, 03:07:12 PM
wedding group picture of Alexandra of Mecklenberg-Schwerin and Christian of Denmark with Grand Duke Mikhail in it with other members of his family
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on June 12, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7099/7181557677_0f9d81d25b_b.jpg)

Print of Mikhail Nikolaevich as a child, perhaps based on a portrait by Sokolov (I have a similar style portrait of his brother Alexander wearing similar clothing).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on September 16, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7987243466_43e9c6c859_b.jpg)

Mikhail Nikolaevich.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on November 19, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
Grand Duchess Anastasia of Russia,wrongly identified as Anastasia de Torby:

http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/1246793
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on November 19, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
Hi,

This is definitely GD Anastasia Michaelovna, but not Anastasia de Torby, who would have been 13 in 1905, the date of the picture.
The mix-up is because Torby was also born Anastasia Michaelovna, but she was not a grand duchess...  Later, she was better known as Lady Zia Werhner.
It is unfortunate that people who don't know their subject as well as they should, don't enquire from knowledgeable people the true facts.
A lot of mistakes occur in books and film and phots as to who's who, etc.  It all gets 'carved in stone' and becomes fact - no matter how erroneous.

All in all, it is a nice picture of "Aunt Stassie"........

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Marc on November 20, 2012, 07:11:35 AM

A lot of mistakes occur in books and film and phots as to who's who, etc.  It all gets 'carved in stone' and becomes fact - no matter how erroneous.


True,for example,prior to this summer,I believed that one picture posted here on this forum is Elisabeth von Wuerttemberg(later Austria) and in fact it was her sister Friederike.That portrait hangs in many versions in Eutin Castle,home of Oldenburg family which I have seen this summer...

If you try to google Elisabeth,that same picture will pop up in various web sites as Elisabeth,even if in fact it was her sister Friederike...

Anyway,let's go back to the topic...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: ashanti01 on May 11, 2013, 03:53:53 PM
Grand Duchess Olga

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/170_zpsa0089298.jpg)

Her daughter Anastasia and granddaughter Princess Irina Yusupov, really did have a strong resemblance to her.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 11, 2013, 05:23:54 PM
I had always thought Irina resembled Xenia but, you're right, there's a very strong resemblance to Grand Duchess Olga.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 10:20:21 AM
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch 1870[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture655_zps64c55e9e.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture655_zps64c55e9e.jpg.html)]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on July 04, 2013, 02:17:56 PM
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch 1870[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture655_zps64c55e9e.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture655_zps64c55e9e.jpg.html)]

That's not him. That's Duke Eugenyi of Leuchtenberg, son of GDss Maria Nikolayevna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 03:05:09 PM
Really, it's Duke Eugenyi?!  I got the picture from Jacques Ferrand: Romanoff un album de famille, 1989 and was under the Mikhailovitch section.   Wow, I think that Grand Duke Mikhail and Duke Eugenyi look alike, I definitely thought it was.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on October 08, 2013, 04:17:46 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7423/9511454323_05f867b9e0_o.jpg)

Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2014, 04:01:03 AM
One more (now lost) portrait of GDss Olga F.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/olgaf_zps56bffdb9.jpg)

And the Study of GD Mikhail Nik. in the NovoMikhailovskiy Palace, there you can see this portrait on the wall

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/studymihnik_zps8f7d6630.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2014, 04:01:32 AM
Bust of GDss Olga F.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/olnjnm_zpsfdede174.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on August 15, 2014, 05:55:00 AM
That's really Olga Feodorovna?  I've always seen it labeled as Olga of Wuerttemberg ???  Interesting.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Maria Sisi on August 15, 2014, 01:57:47 PM
The eyes and the nose really do remind me of Queen Olga of Wurttemberg although Olga Feodorovna had a distinctive looking face as well with similar features.  

Pretty strange they made a bust for the wife of the 4th son. But her husband was Governor General of Caucasia, so perhaps it was made in connection to that, although that ended in 1882 and Olga looks too old for 43. Considering Olga Nikolaevna was a Queen it makes more sense for them to make a bust of her.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2014, 02:48:17 PM
That's really Olga Feodorovna?  I've always seen it labeled as Olga of Wuerttemberg ???  Interesting.

The source is a book on GD Mikhail N.,published when he was still alive. I don't think they did a mistake :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
The eyes and the nose really do remind me of Queen Olga of Wurttemberg although Olga Feodorovna had a distinctive looking face as well with similar features. 

Pretty strange they made a bust for the wife of the 4th son. But her husband was Governor General of Caucasia, so perhaps it was made in connection to that, although that ended in 1882 and Olga looks too old for 43. Considering Olga Nikolaevna was a Queen it makes more sense for them to make a bust of her.


Actually I don't see any strange in making bust of Olga F. The reason is not that her husband was the Governor, every person in that time , who had enough money, could order a bust of him/herself.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on August 15, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
That's really Olga Feodorovna?  I've always seen it labeled as Olga of Wuerttemberg ???  Interesting.

The source is a book on GD Mikhail N.,published when he was still alive. I don't think they did a mistake :)

I'll take your word for it, Sveta; you're usually spot-on :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2015, 03:47:31 AM
(http://cs622826.vk.me/v622826079/16ec8/mU_4QWm6Wtc.jpg)

From one of the VK groups
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 01, 2015, 02:29:45 AM
Группа генералов и адмиралов с великим князем Михаилом Николаевичем. 1870 г

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9112/51667439.449/0_ed3a4_c5f38a54_orig)

http://babs71.livejournal.com/729220.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on February 02, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
who are these men
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Превед on February 02, 2015, 06:27:41 PM
who are these men

Группа генералов и адмиралов с великим князем Михаилом Николаевичем. 1870 г

Группа = Gruppa
генералов = generalov
и = i = and
адмиралов = admiralov
с = s = with
великим = velikim
князем = knyazem
Михаилом = Mikhailom
Николаевичем = Nikolayevichem

Can you guess now? :-)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2015, 10:31:20 PM
who are these men

Группа генералов и адмиралов с великим князем Михаилом Николаевичем. 1870 г

Группа = Gruppa
генералов = generalov
и = i = and
адмиралов = admiralov
с = s = with
великим = velikim
князем = knyazem
Михаилом = Mikhailom
Николаевичем = Nikolayevichem

Can you guess now? :-)



A group of generals and Admirals, among them is Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch.

To avoid any next misunderstanding and humour I do remind the posters to descript their pictures in English,or the pictures would be deleted,sorry.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 07, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich on a hunt

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/aa5f3a56914a71d316bd61f762398ec0/tumblr_nvtb801jDe1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)

http://imperial-russia.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:29:20 PM
Grand Duchess Olga

(https://pp.vk.me/c633626/v633626079/26407/AA9bchW3eLY.jpg)

https://vk.com/representatives_of_the_romanov
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 07, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
Olga Fyodorovna

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1cf078c09971089bb64916ada41e3cc2/tumblr_o8f2ze6ONo1rh07xwo1_540.jpg)
Title: Why was Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich called "Uncle Bimbo"
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on June 23, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
I  Have never  understood  ?
Title: Re: Why was Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich called "Uncle Bimbo"
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 24, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
Actually, i was corrected in another site and they said it wasnt "bimbo" but "Bembo"..


Anyway, i also want to know why does he had that nickname
Title: Re: Why was Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich called "Uncle Bimbo"
Post by: Kalafrana on June 25, 2016, 05:23:56 AM
'Bimbo' did not have the meaning it does today (an empty-headed young female).

When I was small (1960s) there was a comic character called Bimbo the Bear, who was certainly male.

General Sir Miles Dempsey, who commanded the British 2nd Army in North-West Europe in 1944-45, was apparently known as Bimbo, but I don't know why. There is a recent biography of him - perhaps that will explain. He is not a well-known figure, as he worked quietly in the background and left the public display to Montgomery.

Ann 
Title: Re: Why was Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich called "Uncle Bimbo"
Post by: TimM on June 25, 2016, 07:16:25 AM
Quote
'Bimbo' did not have the meaning it does today (an empty-headed young female).

Words can change their meanings over time. 

Look how the word "hacker" has changed.  Today it means someone illegally hacking into a computer or website.  In the old days, hacking meant chopping something up.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevitch and his family
Post by: Dru on May 10, 2017, 06:33:43 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/160520662565 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/160520662565)

Grand Duke Mikhail Mikhailovich "Miche-Miche" by Hau.