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Forum Announcements => Q&A and Interviews => Topic started by: Ilias_of_John on June 16, 2008, 05:11:08 AM

Title: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 16, 2008, 05:11:08 AM
Aquaintances of mine are travelling to Russia next month for the commemoration services of the murders.
I would think it would be opportune to start a thread for the upcoming events.
It will undoubtably be something very special!
Please feel free to contribute any webpages and thoughts that relate to the commemoration services.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 24, 2008, 06:26:16 AM
I am surprised that no one has posted.
I know that Romanov's are attending, and I believe that it has been widely advertised in Russia.
Anyone know much about it?
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: nena on June 24, 2008, 07:54:55 AM
I read Russian Orthdox Church is going on Holy walk, across St-Petersburg/Ekaterinburg, remembering 90 years since murders. Walk is called Chrstni Hod. - sory for bad spelling. Of course it's be very good organisation, and commemoration services.
Greets!
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Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 25, 2008, 06:03:10 AM
:)
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: helenrappaport on July 15, 2008, 03:30:13 AM
Having not had any news from any contacts in Russia about the 90th anniversary and any plans to inter the remains of Alexey and Maria with the others in St Petersburg I contacted Princess Olga Romanoff (Xenia's grand daughter) who tells me that there is no chance this will happen this year.  She says that the present head of the Romanoff famly is in talks with the Russian government and that there are 'a few problems' but that it is hoped the interment will happen next year.  I suspect the problems are a combination of political and religious ones.   Meanwhile, having been in Ekaterinburg last year for the annual commemoration and seeing the huge numbers of pilgrims then I would anticipate this year's event being huge.  In which case, I sincerely hope that the Ekaterinburg authorities have laid on better facilities for the thousands of people in the city on the 16/17, particularly first aid, refreshments and toilet facilities for the many elderly attempting the punishing Krestnyi Khod out to Ganina Yama. 
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 15, 2008, 07:30:21 AM
My aquaintances have left Australia and are on the way to Russia as we speak.
I know that they are looking forward to their trip, and they realise that this is a very auspicious and solemn moment in the history of the Imperial family and the people of Russia.

I very much look forward to hearing and perhaps passing on everything that they can tell me.
I also hope that the Russian govt. will do all in their power to make the trip as comfortable for all as possible.

I just found this on the Romanov family Associations page.....

Communiqué from the Secretariat in Moscow of
His Highness Prince Dimitri Romanov
and the Representative in St. Petersburg of
The Romanov Family Association


In respectful remembrance of the tenth anniversary of the solemn reburial in the Saint Peter and Paul Cathedral in St. Petersburg of the victims of the massacre that took place in Ekaterinburg and of the ninetieth anniversary of this tragedy suffered by the Imperial Family and their suite, I wish to let it be known that - just as it has been since 1998 - I have decided to hold a solemn religious ceremony on 17 July 2008 at the Saint Peter and Paul Cathedral in St. Petersburg.

I therefore request all those - in Russia or abroad - who wish to participate in this act of deep respect for the Imperial Family and the glorious history of Russia, to join me this 17th of July at the Saint Peter and Paul Cathedral.


Prince Dimitri Romanov

Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Annie on July 16, 2008, 01:17:53 PM
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Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: nena on July 16, 2008, 01:32:45 PM
Stunning,Annie, I found these:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_vm_tz1jpg_1.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/vm_tz1jpg_1.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_krestniyhod.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/krestniyhod.jpg)
I am confused....ceremony is today or tomorrow, so 16th or 17th July?


Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: matushka on July 16, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
They are going for already a few days with more and more processions coming from all sides of Russia. There will be differents expositions. The most important event will be this night from 22 to 4 o clock a vigils service in the Church-on-the-Blood.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 16, 2008, 07:00:21 PM
I wish to hell I could be at that vigil at the Church on the Blood. Or at the Peter and Paul Cathedral in st. Petersburg where I understand there will also be a major remembrance. I will be remembering the Romanovs and the other Ipatiev House victims on my own here in the US. As I believe will many of us Forum members 90 years after that horrific night.
In fact I must say I've been very moved for some time  as the anniversary has approached. Indeed I've noticed that the sadness and the shall we say moral outrage I feel about the murders doesn't diminish with the passage of time. In fact they increase the more I learn and the better I "understand" that incomprehensible event. And yet avoidance of the subject, the awful facts, is even further out of the question.
I know many of you share these or similar feelings. And I invite you to respond as you feel on this ,to me , major day of rememrance.
In short I hope this anniversary also draws tremendous support and press coverage, both in Russia, and elsewhere.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 17, 2008, 08:17:26 AM
From Australians for Constituitional Monarchy,


The disaster which followed the murder of the Tsar     
Written by Professor David Flint AM     
Thursday, 17 July 2008 

Ninety years ago, at around 230am on Thursday, 17 July 1918 Tsar Nicholas II, the Tsarina Alexandra, and their five children, including the Tsarevich,  were cruelly murdered on the instructions of Lenin.

Remains thought to be those of most of the Imperial Family were discovered in 1991. Rigorous scientific testing, including a DNA ample provided by Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, affirmed their authenticity.   
In a moving ceremony, on 17 July, 1998, the Tsar, Tsarina and the Grand Duchesses was reburied  in the great Fortress of St. Peter and St. Paul in the city of St. Petersberg.


...President bows before the Tsar...




In an act of great courage and deep personal and national contrition, the then Russian President Boris Yeltsin had bowed his head before the coffin of the soon to be canonized Tsar Nicholas II.

The President  solemnly declared before Russia and the world that all the Russian people must atone for this "monstrous crime" .Russia, he said, had to end its "century of blood and lawlessness" with repentance and reconciliation.

 "We all bear responsibility for the historical memory of the nation. That is why I could not fail to come here. I had to be here as both an individual and the president."

Condemning himself, as Communist Party chief at Yekaterinburg, where on direct orders from Moscow, he had supervised the destruction of the house where the imperial family was executed to prevent it becoming a monarchist shrine - he declared:

"Guilty are those who committed this heinous crime and those who have been justifying it for decades - all of us.

“We must not lie to ourselves, explaining this senseless cruelty with political goals."

"This is our historic chance, “ he said. “On the eve of the third millennium we must do it for the sake of our generation and those to come. Let us remember those innocent victims who have fallen to hatred and violence. May they rest in peace….”


...the disaster which followed....




The Bolsheik coup was a disaster not only for Russia and the enslaved nations, but also for the whole world.

 In this column of 9 June, 2006, we reiterated the sometimes forgotten but irrefutable fact that prior to the First World War, economic development was well advanced in Russia, and the country was moving towards becoming a full constitutional monarchy.

 The First World War intervened, and in the course of it Lenin had been sent in a sealed train by the German High Command to foment unrest in the Russian Empire and thus disrupt the war effort.

 
The war did not go well for Russia, so badly that the imperial government collapsed. Unable to win a majority in the parliament, the Bolsheviks waited until a crucial time and seized power, dispersing the democratic assembly. They proceeded to install one of the most brutal and absolute dictatorships known in modern history.

   
To those who would say it was worth it, Oleg Gordievsky, a former Colonel of the KGB, writes:

“Russia under Nicholas II, with all the survivals of feudalism, had opposition political parties, independent trade unions and newspapers, a rather radical parliament and a modern legal system. Its agriculture was on the level of the USA, with industry rapidly approaching the Western European level.

“[In contrast] in the USSR there was total tyranny, no political liberties and practically no human rights. Its economy was not viable; agriculture was destroyed. The terror against the population reached a scope unprecedented in [human] history.


“No wonder many Russians look back at Tsarist Russia as a paradise lost.”

 
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Blanch on July 17, 2008, 02:43:00 PM
Thanks for the information Ilias_of_John, it's very interesting.

I also hope there's wolrdwide press coverage, so that we, from all parts of the world, can be informed as the event take place.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 17, 2008, 03:59:33 PM
There is, we just need to look for it.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 19, 2008, 08:59:28 AM
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=26579

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=4961
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Michael HR on July 19, 2008, 11:41:08 AM
How I wish I could have been there. I will go and if still here in 2018 will attend then also, no doubt with many many others.

I find Nicholas and his family an inspiration to live ones life by: duty, honour, compassion and humour. If only I could meet even a fraction of his standards.

Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Alixz on July 21, 2008, 10:40:19 PM
I never thought about planning for 2018, but that makes a lot of sense.  It gives me time to plan and to save and to perhaps join a group from the forum who might be interested in going together.

I will not be young in 2018 and that fascinates me.  I hope that I am still able to travel such a long distance at that time.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Michael HR on July 22, 2008, 05:41:09 AM
I agree. Perhaps the board could get toegther and arrange grops from each country to travel to Ekaterinburg etc. I will be 60 then but would drag myself to Russia if I had to.

For those of us in England perhaps we could plan this?

Michael
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Post by: sgc on July 22, 2008, 06:23:11 AM
I will not be young in 2018 and that fascinates me. 

Alas, I'm already not young. Stiil would enjoy going though!
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Lucien on July 23, 2008, 03:09:30 PM
http://cusack.norumbega.co.uk/2008/07/18/the-holy-saints-of-russia/
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: nena on July 23, 2008, 03:22:38 PM
Thank you, Lucien...Remember Imperial Family, servants, also, remember GD Elisabeth Feodorovna and Grand Dukes murdered in Apalayevsk, GD Mchael, etc.,.....
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Post by: Raegan on July 24, 2008, 01:04:04 PM
I am 27 now, so I'll be 37 in July 2018. I will certainly be there, but I am sure I will be going back to Russia before the 100th anniversary.

http://cusack.norumbega.co.uk/2008/07/18/the-holy-saints-of-russia/

Thank you for that link Lucien! Here is an article from The Moscow Times that ran on July 18th.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/1010/42/369030.htm

Also, here is a video from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7510908.stm
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 25, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
Thank you, Lucien...Remember Imperial Family, servants, also, remember GD Elisabeth Feodorovna and Grand Dukes murdered in Apalayevsk, GD Mchael, etc.,.....

Indeed, I said a prayer for all of them the 16th, 17th and 18th. Can't rememer Grand Duke Miichael's dying day, wasn't it july the 1st? But I might be wrong here, I should check one of my books to be sure.

And I intend going in 2018 for the 100th annivursary, I'll be 28 then so with some luck i should be able to go. And as it is said before, it would be nice if we could go with people of the forum, maybe arranged by country and then meet up in Russia But i would love to go then(maybe even earlier if i can plan it)
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Michael HR on July 25, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
I think the idea of members going as a group by country is great and will no doubt happen. Might try and go before as well. Even if on a zimmer frame by them they can wheel me there...
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 28, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
 Imperial Grounds,

Grand Duke Michael was murdered June 12th, 1918.
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 28, 2008, 05:38:26 PM
Imperial Grounds,

Grand Duke Michael was murdered June 12th, 1918.

Thanks, I wasn't sure when it was, I knew it was June, or July but just wasn't sure
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Post by: nena on July 28, 2008, 08:21:32 PM
Excuse me, remains of GD Michael...never found? Why?
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 28, 2008, 09:08:28 PM
Excuse me, remains of GD Michael...never found? Why?

Good question. I've only heard he was shot, but what happened with his body is a mystery to me. Probably buried, but i Wonder is there ever been searched seriously for his body? They should have some chance's on finding it with modern-day techniques. And I wonder, does anyone know what happened with him after he got shot, are there some testimony's of it?
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: Ilias_of_John on July 31, 2008, 04:00:28 AM
Execution of Royal Family a Crime for Russians
July 27, 2008
 Abstract: (Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Most people in Russia’s capital believe the execution of Nicholas II of Russia and his family was a crime, according to a poll by Bashkirova & Partners. 58.7 per cent of respondents in Moscow feel this way, while 27.5 per cent believe the incident was justified by political circumstances.
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Most people in Russia’s capital believe the execution of Nicholas II of Russia and his family was a crime, according to a poll by Bashkirova & Partners. 58.7 per cent of respondents in Moscow feel this way, while 27.5 per cent believe the incident was justified by political circumstances.

Nicholas II abdicated in 1917, pressured by the Bolshevik revolution. The political movement led by Vladimir Lenin brought an end to Czarist domination, and established the Soviet Union. Nicholas II, his wife and five children were arrested and then executed by the Bolsheviks on Jul. 17, 1918, along with their servant and their physician.

When asked about the restoration of the monarchy in Russia, 39.6 per cent of respondents say it is unlikely to happen and they would feel negatively about it, while 19.2 per cent also claim it is unlikely to happen but they would feel positively about it.

On Jul. 17, Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna—a direct descendant of Nicholas II—said Russians should still consider the restoration of the monarchy, declaring, "It’s for the Russian people to decide themselves if this option suits them. (...) It gives a nation something eternal they can rely on. (...) Forgive me, as head of the imperial house I couldn’t think otherwise, but it’s our people who should choose for themselves."

Polling Data

There are different views on the execution of the Russian royal family. Which of these views comes closest to your own?

The execution of the tsar family was a crime
 58.7%
 
The execution of the tsar family was not a crime, it was justified by political circumstances at the time
 27.5%
 
Don’t know
 13.7%
 

How likely, in your view, is the restoration of monarchy in Russia? And how would you feel about that?

Unlikely and I would feel negatively about it
 39.6%
 
Unlikely, but I would feel positively about it
 19.2%
 
Likely, but I would feel negatively about it
 17.2%
 
Likely, and I would feel positively about it
 12.0%
 
Don’t know
 12.0%
 

Source: Bashkirova & Partners
Methodology: Interviews with 400 Russian adults in Moscow, conducted from Jul. 7 to Jul. 9, 2008. No margin of error was provided.

 
Title: Re: 90th Anniversary of the executions.
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on August 24, 2009, 09:54:35 AM
Ilias_of_John, that's very interesting poll information you have there.

It has been my experience with Russians that many do not like the idea of Imperial Rule, or the Romanovs, or anything. I would be interested in meeting some of these people, it would be refreshing!

A good friend of mine, ironically enough, named Maria Nikolaevna, told me that to proclaim your love of the Tsar or Imperialism in Russia is suicide. Perhaps some people here could give me different views?

Thanks for posting Ilias_of_John, I'll be saving that information for myself! :)
Title: 90th Anniversary of the executions
Post by: Excugh on March 01, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
Enjoyed seeing The 50th Anniversary screening of Yellow Submarine. We all were given a Goodie envelope with cards & stickers, at the end of the film everyone applauded.

http://www.gibmonks.com/