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Discussions about Russian History => Russian Imperial Medals, Orders, Uniforms & Militaria => Topic started by: Michael HR on August 08, 2008, 10:15:40 AM

Title: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 08, 2008, 10:15:40 AM
Does anyone know who the gentlemen are in the background of this rather impressive line up? I thought some may be members of the Romonov family but am not sure.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll186/MikeHR_UK/Coronation189601cropped.jpg)

I wonder if anyone knows more about the corps des pages in Russia?

From the little I know it was a military academy for nobles but that is all I have for now.

Michael HR
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 10, 2008, 04:07:36 PM
Hi Michael,

None of these gentlemen are Romanovs : they are all Court Pages in attendance to the Grand Duchesses (and some Foreign Princesses) present at Nicholas II’s Coronation.

More later.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 12, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Your photo was taken in Moscow during the Coronation festivities in 1896 and shows some of the Grand Duchesses present along with two foreign princesses who attended the Coronation (the Duchess of Connaught & Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden). It seems a series of photos was taken after the Ladies Congratulory Ceremony on May 17th (O.S.) as former Kamer-Page Englehardt recalled in his memoirs : « Afterwards, several grand duchesses went into the winter garden with their pages for photographs. Every grand duchess was photographed separately with their own personal page standing behind their chair. Then a general group was formed with the grand duchesses seated and the pages standing behind them. The photographer raised his hand for everyone to become quiet for a few seconds. Just when he was ready for the shot, the well-known bass voice of Grand Duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich called out. The duke suddenly appeared from behind some bushes and said : « Well, I didn’t expect it – les grandes duchesses avec leurs pages, les pages aux pieds de leurs grandes duchesses. » (my translation : « the Grand-Duchesses with their Pages, the Pages at the feet of their Grand-Duchesses »). He laughed and continued on, not listening to the rebuke of his wife. » (Memoirs of the Pages to the Tsars, translated by Dr. Thomas E. Berry, Gilbert Royal Books, 2001).

« His Imperial Majesty’s Corps of Pages » was the elite cadet and military school where, except by special imperial permission, admision was reserved to sons or grand-sons of general officers. For the 1st seven years, the curriculum was identical to Cadet Schools. They also did guard duty at the Winter Palace from time to time or escort duty at some Court Processions like imperial funerals. Two « special classes » were added in the late 19th century to teach military science and law. The students of the special classes with high marks were promoted to the rank of « kamer page » (Page of the Imperial Chamber). During their last year, the ones with the highest marks served as personal attendants to the Emperor, the Empresses and Grand Duchesses at various Court functions (balls and various ceremonies). This was a coveted honor as it put those Kamer Pages in close personal contact with members of the Imperial Family and usually helped their career.

After their graduation and promotion to the rank of sub-lieutenant, most pages chose a military career. The ones with the highest marks could pick the Guards’ regiment of their choice. The others were assigned to other Army units.

For more information see :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Corps

And this interesting virtual exhibition prepared for the Corps’ bicentennial :
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eresources/exhibitions/pages/

The Corps des Pages was located in the Voronzov Palace in St. Petersburg. Since 1955 it is occupied by the St. Petersburg Suvorov Military School. Nowadays, the Corps’ former chapel has reopened and the School’s museum presents some exhibits from the history of the Corps des Pages :
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum.html
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 13, 2008, 03:39:28 AM
Thank you so much for the information and links. The article was very intresting and I am very grateful to you.

Do we know if the individual photos of the Grand Duchesses with their pages remain? I would love to see them if possible.

Once again thank you.

Michael
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 14, 2008, 11:41:56 PM
The only other photo of grand duchesses with their kamer-pages I’ve seen is in Jeffrey Finestone's « The Last Courts of Europe; a Royal Family Album, 1860-1914 ». It was certainly taken during the same photo shoot and looks like a botched one as Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna’s face is blurred (maybe that’s when she was distracted by her husband’s remarks!) and her daughter GD Elena Vladimirovna is partially hidden by the Duchess of Connaught’s feathers. Your photo is better! Unfortunately although the grand duchesses and foreign princesses are identified in the book, no kamer-page is. The only one I can identify is Serge Nikolaevich Crichton, the one on the far right, between GD Elizaveta Mavrikevna and Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.

I have seen a few photos of kamer-pages reportedly taken during the 1896 Coronation but they were standing alone. My guess is the indvidual photos taken of each grand duchess with her kamer-page weren’t meant to be published and probably only a few copies were made for each grand duchess and page as a Coronation memento. Probably the Corps des Pages got a series too. Some must have survived in Russia (Russian Archives & Suvorov Military School Library in St. Petersburg) and outside Russia in former kamer-pages’ papers and in some collections assembled abroad after the Revolution, such as the Union of Pages’, the émigré alumni organization founded in Paris in 1920 (with branches in many countries – more than 1000 former pages lived outside Russia then). Columbia University’s Bakhmeteff Archive of Russian and East European History and Culture seems to have acquired a good part of the Union’s archives :
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/archival/collections/ldpd_4078122/index.html

Author Marvin Lyons also seemed to have a huge collection of documents related to the Corps des Pages (and Imperial Russia) as ten years ago he was working on a monumental « Bibliographical Dictionary of the Russian Imperial Corps des Pages », due to be published for the Corps’ bicentennial in 2002. His « Vorontsov Palace and Corps of Pages Memorial Trust » had a website years ago but I can’t find anything now. To my knowledge his dictionary has unfortunately never been published. I’ve had no contact with him for years and by now he must very old…if still alive.

Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 15, 2008, 03:37:03 AM
It is ironic as the one Page I was intrested in was the one on the far right, Serge Nikolaevich Crichton, as I was sure I had seen him somewhere before in photos but could not think where, when or why. I do not recognize the name though. Do you know anything about him as his surname is nor Russian but seems more English but this would not explain what he was in the Corps or at the Coronation of the Tsar.

I am so very grateful to you for your help and the detailed information that you have given. I am very impressed.

Michael


Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 15, 2008, 05:09:44 AM
I think I might try and write an essay on this Page. He sort of stares out of history to you in this photo. It would be intresting to see his life before 1896 and what life he had after 1896, life under Nicholas II and then the revolution. I wonder if he survived 1917/18 and what became of him.

I tried the link but cannot access the documents sadly. I may have to travel to the USA to see them unless there is a way for this to be done on line. It seems John Kendrick, of the Canadian Alexis fame, knew the author you mentioned and I might contact him to see if he knows what happened to the archives that were being used to write the book that was not published.

I did a google search but nothing came up for the Page. I am dying to know how you knew who he was?

Regards,

Michael
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 15, 2008, 05:31:03 AM

intresting articule on the Corps.  http://www2.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cpages.htm 
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 19, 2008, 12:11:06 AM
Yes the history of the Knights of Malta in Russia and their connection with the Corps des Pages is interesting. It explains why their graduation badge is a Maltese Cross. BTW the Catholic Chapel of the Knights of Malta in the Voronztov Palace has recently been restored and seems to serve as a concert hall. See the 2nd chapel with the link I have already posted:
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2

I found Serge Crichton’s photo (in his kamer-page’s uniform) in one of the 6 volumes of the late Jacques Ferrand’s  “Noblesse russe: portraits” (Russian Nobility: portraits) published in the 1980s. In each of them there is a section with photos of pupils from the Corps des pages. Here is what the caption says:
“Serge Nicolaevich CRICHTON (1876-1927/28). Graduated from the Corps des Pages in 1896, later officer in the Preobrazhensky Regiment, Lieutenant-Colonel and Aide-de-Camp to the Governor General of Kiev, Volhynia and Podolia.”

I also found 7 other photos of members of the Crichton family. You are right about his family surname, it’s neither Russian nor …English but of Scottish origin (pretty close!). Actually he probably didn’t have much Russian blood, if any, but that wasn’t uncommon in the Russian nobility at the time. As how and why he ended up as kamer-page at the last Coronation, I’ll explain in my next post along with some interesting information about his family I’ve dug up from various French, British, Polish  and Russian sources.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 19, 2008, 05:09:32 AM
Dear Daniel,

My God what information and to say I am impressed is just an understatement. I did a search for him on the net but nothing came back. However, much earlier there was a Crichton who was one of the Tsar's physicians' and that might be how the family came to be in Russia and seamed to have stayed and become part of the country. There was a famous Crichton in England who was also a renowned physician prior to this time period. In Scotland they are nobility even today. What a background.

I see from his dates that he might have died in the civil war figting I assume for the whites. 52 years is not that old even in those times. How very sad. One hopes he was liad to rest with proper rights etc.

I will see if I can find the book you mention and have a feeling it will mean lots of visits to little book stores as Amazon etc do not have this any longer. I will be on a mission to lay my hands on this now! Also I may write to the Corps Des Pages in exile in France and see if they have any information on him in their records. I will also research the on line possibility with the records you mentioned in you earlier post and see if I can gain access.

It all started with a friend looking at the photo and he said I bet you cannot find out who he was? I had thought I recognized him but was not sure. Well I think I am going to enjoy finding out as much as I can.

Once again many thanks for your postings.

Micheal

 
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 19, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
Book : If you mean Jacques Ferrand’s books…good luck! They were self-published and it seems they have long been out-of-print. Read this thread :
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9778.0

I usually got them through Gagliani’s Bookstore in Paris. OMG! I’ve just seen vol. 4 offered on the web for the outrageous sum of $950! Check your messages.

The Crichton photos are in vol. 3 (1987) and vol 4 (1988) and are credited to Mr. Pierre A. Crichton. Judging by his name I assume he might be in France somewhere.

As for Serge Crichton’s Scottish ancestry you are on the right track. Actually there were two physicians to the Tsar named Crichton, related to each other : Sir Alexander Crichton (1763-1856) who was Physician in ordinary (Leib-medik) to Alexander I and his mother Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna. Here you’ll see a photo of the house he bought in St. Petersburg on the very fashionable Angliiskaya Naberezhnaya (English Embankment) No. 48 .  It seems he lived there until 1815 :
http://www.spbvedomosti.ru/article.htm?id=10252121@SV_Articles

He went back to England in 1820 though.

The other one was his nephew Sir Archibald William Crichton (1791-1864/65) who went to Russia in 1810 to join his uncle and stayed there to become Leib-medik to Alexander I and Nicholas I. Here is more information about both of them :
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/crichton.htm

Sir Archibald William was Serge Crichton’s grand-father. The Russians called him Vasily Petrovich Kreiton (foreigners with first names and patronimics who had no Russian equivalent were usually given Russian names). In 1851 he wrote a fascinating addenda to his father Patrick Crichton’s family chronicle in which he tells of his life in and service in Russia. You should find it on this site : http://www.clan-crichton.com/The%20Crichtons.htm You have to click on “Patrick Crichton’s chronicle” to download it. Sir Archibald’s text begins on page 51 of the PDF document (page 44 of the original text). See also, Edward Owen Crichton’s note about Sir Archibald's wife and children (page 57). The Nicholas he mentions was Serge’s father. His two eldest sons William (called Vasily in Russian as his grand-father was) and Alexander would be Serge’s older brothers. Getting close! More about them in my next post.

This Col. Patrick Crichton seems to be Sir Archibald’s father (Serge’s great-grand-father):
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital_dev/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=546489&imageID=1218715&total=10&num=0&word=Crichton&s=1&notword=

There was another Crichton who’s name was to become famous in Finland and Russia: Sir Alexander’s grand-nephew, William. Another fascinating story:
http://www.crichton.se/william.html
To this, I should add that in the early 1860s, William opened another shipyard in Okhta (St. Petersburg) known as « Crichton & Co. » His shipyards built a number of ships for the Russian Imperial Navy.

Quite a family!

A note about the family name in Russian: on Russian search engines I found the Crichton and Creighton family names spelt “Krikton”,“Krixton” (Krikhton) and Крейтон (Kreiton), which complicates research,  but “our” Crichtons’ name was definitely spelt Крейтон (Kreiton). At that time, transliteration into Russian obviously wasn't an exact science!


Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Forum Admin on August 20, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
As a side note, we have a small original plate from the Corps des Pages service. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will scan and post an image of it for you. You seem more interested in the members, so wasn't sure if you wanted me to disrupt the discussion with the pic.

Rob

Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 20, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
That would be great thank you. Collecting information and images galore at the movement. So much to learn is an understatement.

Michael
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 24, 2008, 10:32:28 PM
Before I carry on with the Crichton family chronicle, here is an interesting excerpt from Ulla Tillander-Godenhielm’s magnificient book about The Russian Imperial Award System, 1894-1917 (Journal of the Finnish Antiquarian Society 113, Helsinki 2005). In her chapter regarding the Imperial Awards presented during the 1896 Coronation she wrote :

"Gifts to the Pages of the Emperor, Empresses, and Grand Duchesses :

Students of the Corps of Pages were appointed pages of the chamber (kamer-pazhi) to the ladies of the imperial family and the ladies of foreign royal families. The duties of a page were to carry the long train of the lady to whom he was assigned and to assist her in any possible way during the coronation ceremonies and at subsequent events. Previously, the pages of the chamber used to serve « their ladies » when they dined. That ended after some nervous boy inadvertently poured soup down the neck of Empress Maria Feodorovna.(*1) The gifts the ladies presented to the pages varied : jewelled cufflinks, rings, monogrammed watches with chains, signed photographs are just some examples.

The emperor also had a page attached to his person. The emperor, empresses and grand duchesses presented their pages with cigarettes cases in gold. Thus on 6th August 1896, on the memorial day of the Preobrazhenskii Regiment at Krasnoe Selo, the page of the chamber of the emperor, Sergeant-Major (feldfebel) Alexander Nikolaevich Mandryka [Mandryk], received his memento from the coronation. It was a samorodok gold case with the double-headed eagle decorated with diamonds and filled with cigarettes. On the same day and at the same occasion, those of Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, Count Aleksei Alekseevich Ignatiev and Count Petr Nikolaevich Apraksin, each received an enamelled cigarette case ornamented with the double-headed eagle. (*2) The senior pages of the chamber Boris Aleksandrovich Engelhardt and Aleksandr Valerianovich Derozhinskii, who both were attached to the dowager empress at the coronation, also received gold cigarette cases decorated with jewelled double-headed eagles."

In her footnotes she adds the following :
* 1 : "The custom was to present gifts to the pages to commemorate the event at which they were on duty. A list of gifts to the pages of the chamber is recorded in the diary of Major-General S.N. Pototskii, himself a graduate from the Corps of Pages in 1896. It was originally « published » in the Opoveshchenie of the Union of Pages in March 1960. (Communication of Marvin Lyons)."
* 2 : "Communication of Olga N. Mandryka, grand-daughter of A. N. Mandryka [Mandryk]. See also Berry 2001." [Memoirs of the Pages to the Tsars,  translated and edited by Thomas E. Berry, Gilbert’s Royal Books, Missisauga, Ontario, 2001].

Dr. Berry published what seems to be - unfortunately - only an extract of Serge N. Pototsky’s memoirs: he reminisces about the Moscow Governor-General’s Ball (Grand Duke Serge Alexandrovich) during the Coronation celebrations in May 1896 : he mentions being summoned by Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna who presented him with a little box that contained a golden cross. Nothing more about gifts, so the original edition of the Opoveshchenie (Information) of the Union of Pages will have to be checked out to find out what Serge Crichton received and from whom.

Although in 1896, for most of the 35 kamer-pages, Court service ended with the Coronation celebrations, in his memoirs, Alexander Mandryk (Kamer-page to Nicholas II) writes that on August 6th (the Preobrazhensky Guards’ regimental holiday) he, along with Empress Alexandra’s kamer-pages, were called for service at the palace. « There the Emperor and Empress, before leaving for the parade, came to us with a gift in honor or our service at the coronation. We each received a cigarette case. Mine, from the tsar, was gold, decorated with a diamond eagle and filled with cigarettes. Ignatiev and Apraksin received from the Empress enamel cases decorated with eagles. » On the same evening they left for maneuvers at Krasnoe Selo where the Guards held its annual summer camp (in which the senior classes of the Corps des Pages participated along with some cadets from other schools). At the end of the camp, those kamer-pages who were still present were promoted to the rank of officer. Mandryk received his promotion « from the hands of the Tsar himself while the other Kamer-pages were given their papers from the ladies whom they had served. »

In his memoirs, Boris Engelhardt writes about the same 1896 camp at Krasnoe Selo but doesn’t say from whom he received his commission nor his gift. Most probably Empress Maria Feodorovna didn’t attend the event and he received his gift at another time. He also tells of a later gift he received when he last met her, in 1904, when on sick leave from the Far-East (he had been wounded during the war against Japan). She had invited him at her Gatchina Palace: there she presented him a small medal engraved with a wish for his safe return to the Front. In exile he wrote : « I still have the little medal she gave me and it is the only thing I have from that far away time. I served during her son’s coronation and received a splendid gold cigarette case with a diamond eagle on its cover, but I left it in the bank in St. Petersburg during the revolution and the new powers undoubtedly confiscated it. »

Who knows what happened to those imperial gifts? Some might still be in former pages' family collections. Some of those who got confiscated by the Bolsheviks might be in Russian museums today but most of them were probably sold to rich Westerners by the Soviets in the 1930s.



Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on August 25, 2008, 12:28:40 AM
P.S. : Last name of Nicholas II's kamer-page for 1895-96 wasn't spelt Mandryk but Mandryka (Мандрыка) as Ulla Tillander-Godenhielm correctly wrote. I should have checked my Russian sources before posting...Alexander Nikolaevich Mandryka (1876-1928) was the best and brightest student of the 1896 class, which earned him the coveted honor of being Sergeant-Major of the Chamber-Pages and personal page of Nicholas II for 1895-96. Being an orphan with no financial means, a military career in one of the chic and very expensive Guards' regiments seemed a goal impossible to achieve. But after having attended the Emperor at one of the Coronation dinners Nicholas II asked him which regiment he was planning to join. Mandryka replied that he wished to serve in the Guards' Imperial Family Rifle Battalion in Tsarskoe Selo.The Emperor approved his choice then asked him about his means of support, to which Mandryka replied he had none. The Tsar looked kindly to him and told him that this matter could be corrected and that he would think about it. As soon as he joined the Battalion he received a stipend from Nicholas II' s private purse. Due to his exceptional qualities he was soon name regimental adjudant and after an imperial visit to the regiment, he was appointed as Aide-de-Camp to the Emperor.

Apparently he was quite intimate with the Imperial Family for a while but after having conducted an investigation regarding Rasputin, at the Emperor's request, he fell out of grace because his findings displeased the Empress. Nevertheless Nicholas II didn't abandon his former kamer-page. When Mandryka requested a transfer to another service, he was appointed vice-governor of a Volga province and later governor of Tiflis where he remained until the Revolution. Having managed to escape a Bolshevik prison in the Volga region through a ruse, he made it from the Volga to the Don region on foot. On his way he saw a train that seemed familiar: getting closer he recognize the tsar's private cars. They were used by Trotsky on his Red Army inspection tours! He managed to join the Whites where he enrolled in their Volunteer Army. His Corps des Pages' friend, former kamer-page Engelhardt, persuaded him to work for the Department of Propaganda which he headed. Both made it into exile.

Years later they quite unexpectedly met for a last time in Paris: one evening a chauffeur with a long white beard approached Englehardt who had parked his taxi at a stand near the Opera: "You don't recognize me, do you, Boris?" asked the white bearded fellow with sad eyes who was extending his hand to him. It was Mandryka! To survive in exile, both had to resort driving cars for rich people, which wasn't uncommon at the time - even some former princes did. According to Engelhardt, Mandryka never recovered from being separated from his family and died in Paris soon after.

Sic transit gloria mundi
...

Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on August 25, 2008, 01:11:34 AM
What a wonderful post, many thanks for the information and what a mind of detail you have. Will also try to track down a copy of this book as well. I'm glad they got out of Russia and lived in Paris and had some peace in later years. How difficult it must have been to become a taxi driver after that background but to leave ones family behind must be heart breaking. It does sort of bring the revolution to life when you hear personal stories like these of real people with real lives. From the splendor of the 1896 ball to the streets of Paris, phew.

Perhaps Russia will one day bring the Corps back to life as a school for officers it seems to have been wonderful, rather like Sandhurst in the UK.

Will be looking in little second hand book shops from now on, ebay etc.

Michael
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Mari on August 25, 2008, 03:38:58 AM
Very interesting discussion! Personal Stories bring this Era to life for me.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: ML Thomas on August 27, 2008, 10:06:25 AM
My Grandfather, Major General Prince Tongtikayou Tongyai (a/k/a, Thongyai) of Siam graduated from the Corps des Pages in the class of 1906.  Prince Tongtikayou's class ring was made of gold surrounded by iron made from the the Russian Artillary used at Balaklava with inscription of  1st of 40.  He had been given a choice of service and he chose The Horse Guards. 
Grandfather along with his cousin Prince Chakrabongse, had married Russian Ladies before returning to Siam. My Grandmother, Laudmila Barsokoff was the daughter of Sergay Ivanovich Barsoukoff a Director of the Ministry of Fine Arts.


Another question on the Forum is about the Author, Marvin Lyons. I had contact with him approximately five years ago. Many families had sent him items for the Trust Museum he was establishing for the Corps des Pages.  His wife had passed away just before my call and he was devastated. That was my last contact with Marvin Lyons, a fine gentleman.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Forum Admin on September 01, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
Sorry for the delay. Here is the Corps de Pages plate we have, its about 8" in diameter, and sadly a bit worn:

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/CorpsPlate.jpg)
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on September 02, 2008, 12:40:15 AM
Dear FA,

Many thanks for the picture. Where on earth did you get the plate in the first place? It's quite a gem

Michael
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Daniel Briere on September 22, 2008, 10:50:10 PM
Hi Michael,

As promised here are some photos I took in museums last year.

A full-dress tunic of a Page from the lower classes is on permanent display in the Imperial Russian Army Room at the Brussels Army Museum. The gold braid, specific to the Pages, can be seen clearly.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/CorpsPagesLowerClass.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/CorpsdesPagesLowerClasscu.jpg)

A Court dress tunic and helmet of a Kamer-Page is part of small display of Imperial Russian Army uniforms in the WWI section of the Paris Army Museum (at the Invalides).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/KamerPage.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/KamerPageside.jpg)

Here’s a modern colour drawing showing a Kamer-Page in Court Dress bearing the last flag the Corps received in for its jubilee in 1902.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/CorpsdesPagesStandardBearer.jpg)

I’ll get back to the Crichton family chronicle ASAP.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Douglas on September 24, 2008, 12:32:38 PM
Daniel:

Beautiful uniforms...I especially like the top one.  I used to have a Civil War coat that was like that.  I suppose military uniforms are constructed along common lines.

I just hope they didn't have to wear it on a hot day.   I wonder, did they have a summer uniform of lighter materials?

Douglas.............los  angeles
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: koloagirl on October 22, 2008, 05:45:56 PM

Aloha all!

I know I am a day late and a dollar short here (sorry!) -- but I thought I would respond to the query about author Marvin Lyons.

I just had quite a discussion about him this morning - one of the women in my exercise class is a very good friend of his it turns out (she heard I was a Romanov buff) - and apparently he is definitely alive and well.

He sounds like a hugely interesting gentleman and incredibly knowledgeable about the Romanovs and the Corps Des Pages - I was amazed to hear all about him and now I am going to scout out his books!

Janet R.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on February 07, 2009, 05:33:17 PM
This is interesting!

How did one get appointed to Chief R/C Priest at this establishment?
approx. Date 1865

Thank you for your help!
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on February 07, 2009, 11:27:31 PM
This is a bad Translation but it'll do!

He was oldest/head Priest of this Chapel!
Interesting that the Leuchtenbergs were buried there ore in an extension of this chapel!

http://www.encspb.ru/ru/article.php?kod=2804677891

St. JOHN'S Catholic church JERUSALEM at Pazhesky Its Imperial Majesty the case (the Maltese chapel) Католическая церковь св. ИОАННА ИЕРУСАЛИМСКОГО при Пажеском Его Императорского Величества корпусе (Мальтийская капелла)
[Церковь св. Иоанна Крестителя] [Интерьер церкви св. Иоанна Крестителя]
When Pavel I became in 1799 great master of the Maltese award of St. John Ierusalimskogo, арх. J. Кваренги, the knight of this award, would build for the colleagues in 1798–1800 chapel at. A palace of chancellor M.I.Vorontsova where has taken places medal капитул. The chapel adjoined a southern facade of the main building of a palace. Когда Павел I стал в 1799 великим магистром Мальтийского ордена св. Иоанна Иерусалимского, арх. Дж. Кваренги, сам рыцарь этого ордена, выстроил для своих собратьев в 1798–1800 капеллу при б. дворце канцлера М. И. Воронцова, где разместился орденский капитул. Капелла примыкала к южному фасаду главного здания дворца.
According to the French abbey Zhorzhelja who has visited a chapel soon after its consecration, interiors „amaze with singularity, unexpectedness and together beauty, picturesqueness, riches and простотою“. In registration the architect used the Corinthian columns dark blue стюка, a magnificent moulding and a decorative list. Consecration of containing 1000 persons of a temple for the sake of John Krestitelja was made on June, 17th by 1800 metropolitan Stanislav Bogush-Sestrentsevich, командор the Big cross of an award of St. John. After Pavel's death the Maltese knights living in Petersburg, used a temple to 1817 then the award had to leave Russia. По словам французского аббата Жоржеля, побывавшего в капелле вскоре после ее освящения, интерьеры „поражают необычностью, неожиданностью и вместе красотой, живописностью, богатством и простотою“. В оформлении зодчий использовал коринфские колонны синего стюка, пышную лепку и декоративную роспись. Освящение вмещавшего 1000 человек храма во имя Иоанна Крестителя совершил 17 июня 1800 митрополит Станислав Богуш-Сестренцевич, командор Большого креста ордена св. Иоанна. После смерти Павла мальтийские рыцари, жившие в Петербурге, пользовались храмом до 1817, после чего ордену пришлось покинуть Россию.
In 1810 property of an award it has been transferred in treasury, and the Pazhesky case has moved to a building. The Maltese church has passed under care of the ober-chamberlain гр. Ю. P.Litty also became house not only for pupils-Catholics of the case, but, first of all, for foreign diplomats. Divine services in it were conducted in Latin and French languages; only in the end of a XIX-th century began to serve and in Russian. В 1810 имущество ордена было передано в казну, и в здание переехал Пажеский корпус. Мальтийская церковь перешла под попечение обер-камергера гр. Ю. П. Литты и стала домовой не только для воспитанников-католиков корпуса, но, прежде всего, для иностранных дипломатов. Богослужения в ней велись на латинском и французском языках; только в конце XIX века стали служить и на русском.
The chapel which had choruses, in 1835 has been restored. In 1853 to it have attached a chapel with a marble tomb of duke Maksimiliana Lejhtenbergsky, son-in-law Nikolay I where have transferred subjects from the house church of the duke existing with 1840 in manor Sergeevka near Peterhof. A tomb and its sculptural ornaments has made акад. A.I.Terebenev. The window in a chapel was decorated with a stained-glass window of the Italian work with the image свв. Максимилиана and Evgenies, and an altar in 1861 – the big image belonging to a brush of A.I.Sharlemanja. Капелла, имевшая хоры, была в 1835 отреставрирована. В 1853 к ней пристроили часовню с мраморной гробницей герцога Максимилиана Лейхтенбергского, зятя Николая I, куда перенесли предметы из домовой церкви герцога, существовавшей с 1840 в усадьбе Сергеевка под Петергофом. Гробницу и ее скульптурные украшения сделал акад. А. И. Теребенев. Окно в часовне украсил витраж итальянской работы с изображением свв. Максимилиана и Евгении, а алтарь в 1861 – большой образ, принадлежащий кисти А. И. Шарлеманя.
In 1890 арх. A.D.Fialkovsky has made interior major repairs. In 1909 the new body of firm Valker which have replaced former, which here has been established occurred from the Taurian palace. В 1890 арх. А. Д. Фиалковский произвел капитальный ремонт интерьера. В 1909 здесь был установлен новый орган фирмы Валкер, заменивший прежний, который происходил из Таврического дворца.
From remarkable subjects in a temple were stored: напрестольный a gilt cross with St. hallows, copes of a crimson velvet – Pavel I gift and a portrait гр. Ю. P.Litty. The marble board strengthened on a wall reminded Of establishment of the Maltese award. Из примечательных предметов в храме хранились: напрестольный золоченый крест со св. мощами, ризы малинового бархата – подарок Павла I и портрет гр. Ю. П. Литты. Об учреждении мальтийского ордена напоминала мраморная доска, укрепленная на стене.
Before revolution by the prior Sigizmund Lozinsky, the professor of Catholic Spiritual academy served an island. After revolt эсеров the Vorontsovsky palace was which centre, the church 1918 has been closed on June, 16th simultaneously with orthodox (the church of CHRISTMAS of JOHN of the FORERUNNER at Pazhesky Its Majesty the case see). Перед революцией настоятелем служил о. Сигизмунд Лозинский, профессор католической Духовной академии. После восстания эсеров, центром которого был Воронцовский дворец, церковь была 16 июня 1918 закрыта одновременно с православной (см. церковь РОЖДЕСТВА ИОАННА ПРЕДТЕЧИ при Пажеском Его Величества корпусе).
The furniture is taken out from a chapel in 1930 when the premise was occupied already with military club; the body is transferred Small opera theatre. With 1958 in the former chapel the assembly hall of Suvorovsky school took places. On October, 19th 1998 in it, after restoration, the Museum of history of military schools of Russia is opened.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on February 22, 2009, 11:26:03 PM
I found the answer!
They were elected/appointed by the tsar!
http://www.orderstjohn.org/osj/conventa.htm

Zitat:
Quote
"The Conventional Chaplains shall be appointed by the Maltese
Grandmaster (The Tsar was the Grandmaster since Paul the First of Russia)
and
and will be sent to give service from Malta"???
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 10, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
Ah, so the highest classes of the Corps des Pages were the Chamber-Pages I thought were missing from the Court Ranks of the Table of Ranks!
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Mike on October 11, 2010, 02:49:43 AM
Chamber Page was not a rank, but a temporary position or appointment.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 11, 2010, 01:21:14 PM
Chamber Page was not a rank, but a temporary position or appointment.

Thanks for that clarification, Mike. But they fit well into the hierarchy, being junior to the Kammer-Junkers who again were junior to the Chamberlains.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on December 31, 2011, 06:25:51 AM
Just got these Pictures, from St. Petersburg,
maybe some of you don't have them yet,,...............
and Just maybe somebody could help me identify the Order and the insignia on the Collar!

THANK YOU!
 :)


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Maybe somebody can translate their Names and function!


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FOR MIKE, a SECOND VERSION OF HIS AVATAR!



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MAYBE even a THIRD VERSION

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Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: blessOTMA on December 31, 2011, 11:30:38 AM
Absolutely fascinating thread, thank you everyone. 
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Павэл on January 01, 2012, 01:19:49 AM
Quote
Maybe somebody can translate their Names and function.

Do you have a higher resolution picture set? Even at max zoom I cannot read the writing.

Pav
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on January 01, 2012, 05:31:47 AM
Hi Pavel,

yes I do, of all of them!
I would need your Email because they are too big for any image hoster!

Best wishes,
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Павэл on January 01, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
syddensis_civitas@yahoo.co.uk

(don't try to translate it - it's a place name - the seat of the 6th Century Bishops of Lynsey.) :)
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Kalafrana on January 02, 2012, 04:13:33 AM
Going slightly off-topic, some Crichtons moved from Scotland to Northern Ireland in the 17th century. A friend of mine named Charles Crichton is a descendant of these.

Ann
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on January 02, 2012, 04:22:00 AM
Hi Pav......?
;)

Check your Spam Folder...just in case.......!

I have more pictures.."IF" they are of interest???


Ann,
we are not strict here.......no problem,
........so don't worry!
;)
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on January 02, 2012, 09:29:42 AM
The information from St. Petersburg (C. d. P.) is that:

ALL Catholic (hand written) Documents (from the Maltese Chapel),
were taken by a FRENCH PRIEST somewhere around late 1920s-30s
during the night to France!

Would love to find the whereabouts of these Documents!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Kalafrana on January 03, 2012, 05:18:23 AM
Hello Nicolay

I will mention Serge Crichton to my pal Charles. I imagine he will be interested.

Ann
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Michael HR on March 02, 2012, 05:59:45 AM
Can't wait to see what comes back. Very interesting family
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Nicolay on March 27, 2012, 03:52:00 AM
In 1901 there were three Chaplains,

Directorium Divini officii et Missarum pro Archidioecesi Mohiloviensi nec non pro Dioecesi Minscensi in annum domini 1901



http://pbc.biaman.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=8170&from=PIONIER%20DLF
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sadly I can't find a readable copy for 1905

http://unicat.nlb.by/opac/pls/pages.view_doc?off=0&siz=20&qid=34475&f...

"""Szembek, Georgius-Josephus-Elisaeus
Archidioecesis Minscensis et Mohiloviensis
Directorium divini officii et missarum pro Archidioecesi Mohyloviensi
nec non pro Dioecesi Minscensi in annum Domini 1905 juxta kalendarium

1905 ÇÏÄ / auctoritate et mansato illustrissimi, reverendissimi et
excellentissimi Domini Domini Georgii-Josephi-Elisaei Szembek
Petropoli : Edmundi Nowicki, 1905"""


Can somebody access the copy for 1905 and share it!
Thank you!
Title: Rings of the Corps Des Pages
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on June 05, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Hello all--I thought that I would share an amazing artifact I recently came across in Europe. Below, see a "class ring" from the Пажэский Корпус, or Corps of Pages.

On graduation, each of the thirty members of the class received a "jeton" of the Corps, and also a ring of this type.

Worn on the ring finger of the left hand (the Orthodox wear their wedding bands on the right hand), the ring is forged in steel, and lined in gold--a physical symbol of one of the corps' slogans "Hard as steel, pure as gold." («Ты будешь тверд, как сталь, и чист, как золото».)

The exterior of the ring is engraved in Russian, "один из тридцати" (one of thirty), and the interior with the name of the page and the date of his graduation.

This ring, which we can see is engraved "1891 Н. Мей..." was probably the ring of Baron Nicholas F. von Meyendorf who was the son of Baron Feofan von Meyendorf, General-Adjutant to Nicholas II. I believe Meyendorf did graduate from the Corps in 1891, but I need to double-check with the records at Columbia University.

The only other time I have ever seen a ring from the Пажэский Корпус was on the hand of Prince Michel Cantacuzène, Count Spéransky, who was a member of the Corps in its last wartime year of 1916. 

I believe most of these rings go to the grave with their owners.   I attach a link to an interesting (russian) conversation about this.

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=889705 (http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=889705)
Title: Re: Rings of the Corps Des Pages
Post by: Svetabel on June 06, 2013, 06:16:55 AM
There was no any Meyendorf in 1891 graduate. But there was Nikolai Nikolaevitch Meynander in 1891. That's his ring more likely.
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on June 06, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
Bravo!  Thanks so much--now I don't have to go to Columbia.  Thank you! (I love this BB.)
Title: Re: Rings of the Corps Des Pages
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on June 06, 2013, 07:53:16 AM
There was no any Meyendorf in 1891 graduate. But there was Nikolai Nikolaevitch Meynander in 1891. That's his ring more likely.

Nikolai Nikolaievitch Af Meinander was born in St. Petersburg in 1872, the oldest child and only son of Nikolai Af Meinander (1845-1895) and Ekaterina (Katyusha) Af Meinander (1848-?, nee Katshalova).  I am assuming that Meinander was of the untitled Finnish nobility, but can find no more records.  Any info, anyone?
Title: Re: Rings of the Corps Des Pages
Post by: Svetabel on June 06, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
There was no any Meyendorf in 1891 graduate. But there was Nikolai Nikolaevitch Meynander in 1891. That's his ring more likely.

Nikolai Nikolaievitch Af Meinander was born in St. Petersburg in 1872, the oldest child and only son of Nikolai Af Meinander (1845-1895) and Ekaterina (Katyusha) Af Meinander (1848-?, nee Katshalova).  I am assuming that Meinander was of the untitled Finnish nobility, but can find no more records.  Any info, anyone?

Here's his photo

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-656-1352062128.jpg (http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-656-1352062128.jpg)
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: Kalafrana on June 07, 2013, 03:25:47 AM
Does anybody know what became of him?

And was the ring awarded on completion of the General Classes or the Special Classes? From the fact that NN Af Meinander was 19 when it was awarded I am assuming the latter.

Ann
Title: Re: Corps Des Pages
Post by: rudy3 on August 07, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
According to this Finnish page of genealogy records:

http://www.annelikotisaari.net/beataa9.htm#Taulu%2058

Nikolai af Meinander was born July 16th 1871 and died May 5th 1911....