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Books and Films about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Books about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Topic started by: Holly on September 16, 2008, 07:36:58 AM

Title: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Holly on September 16, 2008, 07:36:58 AM
OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar.

A new novel about Nicholas II's four daughters coming in 2011 from Atheneum books!


A couple of disclaimers from Sarah Miller:
*Banner made by Holly J. Daugherty, a preemptive fan and fellow Romanov devotee. The Atheneum design gurus will have their way with OTMA all in good time.

*The title - OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - is tentative and subject to change.

Congratulations, Sarah!!!!
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 16, 2008, 08:50:48 AM
Great news! Looking forward the book and hope it´ll make it´s way to Czech stores also....
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on September 16, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Thanks Holly -- you work fast! And thanks again for the banner.


I dread to think what a superficial, standardized novel I would have written about the imperial family without the friends and resources I've accumulated from the Alexander Palace Time Machine and discussion board in the last three years. When I came here I had no idea how little I actually knew about Nicholas II and his family. I can tell you my book collection alone has increased four-fold, but it's impossible to measure the details, subtleties, and insights I've picked up along the way. So a hearty thanks to everyone who's shared their expertise, photographs, books, films, time, and encouragement. If you're reading this and you have any reason to wonder, "Does she mean me?" then yes, I mean you.


Ally -- I don't know how far abroad this novel is likely to travel, but I'm sure it will be available on Amazon.
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Post by: tom_romanov on September 16, 2008, 11:43:56 AM
sound interesting shame we have to wait 3 years!

also i wish someone would write a biography on OTMA.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 16, 2008, 11:49:43 AM
Thanks Holly -- you work fast! And thanks again for the banner.


I dread to think what a superficial, standardized novel I would have written about the imperial family without the friends and resources I've accumulated from the Alexander Palace Time Machine and discussion board in the last three years. When I came here I had no idea how little I actually knew about Nicholas II and his family. I can tell you my book collection alone has increased four-fold, but it's impossible to measure the details, subtleties, and insights I've picked up along the way. So a hearty thanks to everyone who's shared their expertise, photographs, books, films, time, and encouragement. If you're reading this and you have any reason to wonder, "Does she mean me?" then yes, I mean you.


Ally -- I don't know how far abroad this novel is likely to travel, but I'm sure it will be available on Amazon.

Psst, Sarushka - wanna know my dirty little secret? When I saw the title the first thing that came to my mind was "Somebody was quicker" :) because I´m writing a little fictional book myself. But you are absolutely right about the priceless information resourcestaht are available here....
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: tom_romanov on September 16, 2008, 11:58:55 AM
ooh Ally ,you'll have to let us know more
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 16, 2008, 12:48:35 PM
Congratulations Sarah!
I'm really looking forward to your book (which is good, because I usually avoid fiction) and I think it will be fantastic!
I really do think that this is going to be one of the Romanov Fiction books that will set the bar for future fic.
Good luck with all the future editing process, and here we come 2011!
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Post by: Sarushka on September 16, 2008, 01:37:45 PM
Keep writing, Ally! If you're in Czech Republic, there's very little chance our books would ever have to compete for sales. As far as I'm concerned there's always room for another perspective on this story.

Tom & Laura -- there's a *tiny* chance OTMA could be out before 2011. Atheneum's 2010 catalog is currently full, but my editor and I are going to do our best to have my book ready to print before 2011, just in case a space opens up.
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Post by: Ortino on September 16, 2008, 02:20:02 PM
Congratulations, Sarah! :D

I had a feeling that you would one day write about the Romanovs--after all, we spend a lot of time talking about them! Can't wait to read it!
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Post by: nena on September 16, 2008, 03:01:00 PM
Congrats, Sarah!(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/9428a070.gif)  How I didn't see this earlier? So, we have to wait for 2011.

Can you tell us more -- would it include all period of lives of OTMA, so from happy begin to sad end, or some parts of their lives you love, for example :OTMA and Livadia in 1914? I so hope you'll include Aleksei in book! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/grin.gif) Just curious!(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/993e10ba.gif)
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Post by: julia.montague on September 16, 2008, 03:45:16 PM
I'm so excited for it.
I loved "Miss Spitfire" and I love OTMA, so I'm sure I will really love this :-D
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Post by: Marie-Catherine on September 16, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
Congradulations Sarah !

I'm sure it will be a really good book ! I can't wait to read it ! Meanwhile, I think I'll read you ''Miss Spitfire" =D
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Post by: Lalee on September 17, 2008, 03:22:39 AM
I agree with everybody, this is really exciting!! :):) Congratulations, Sarah!!!
Could you tell us what it is about, Sarushka?
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Post by: halen on September 17, 2008, 06:39:35 AM
A very big congratulations to my favorite board saint :)

Louise
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Post by: Ilana on September 17, 2008, 11:03:28 AM
Sarah,
Many congratulations!  Looking forward to seeing your work!

Ilana
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on September 17, 2008, 04:54:13 PM
A teeny-tiny summary:
OTMA is a novel, told from the four grand duchesses' point of view, and covering the years between 1914 and 1918.


And a confession: I'm very excited and flattered, but at the same time nervous at the thought of living up to all your expectations -- not to mention my own. ; )
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 17, 2008, 05:03:39 PM
Take it from me!
You've done a great, great job. No need to worry. At all.
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: matushka on September 17, 2008, 05:11:51 PM
How intriguing, how exiting! Three years...........................................
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Lalee on September 17, 2008, 06:31:17 PM
A teeny-tiny summary:
OTMA is a novel, told from the four grand duchesses' point of view, and covering the years between 1914 and 1918.


And a confession: I'm very excited and flattered, but at the same time nervous at the thought of living up to all your expectations -- not to mention my own. ; )

Thank you, Sarushka! It sounds great. I'm sure it will be wonderful! :)
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Holly on September 17, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
Oh, yes! It is very, very awesome. No need to worry about anything, Sarah.  :D
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: koloagirl on September 17, 2008, 09:28:30 PM

Aloha all!

Sarah you wonderful lady - how fantastic that you are putting your wonderful writing skills and resources (and passion!) into a novel about OTMA!

I also loved "Miss Spitfire" and will be waiting anxiously for the release of your new novel - I know that it will be fantastic and I'll hold a special place in my Romanov library open just for it!

Congrats and now ---- how will we wait?

Janet R.
Title: Re: OTMA: Daughters of the Tsar - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on August 31, 2010, 09:41:22 PM
At long last, I've got clearance to post official cover art:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/th_theLostCrown.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/?action=view&current=theLostCrown.jpg)

The title's been changed three times in the last year -- the final version is The Lost Crown.

Still aiming for a summer 2011 release.
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Post by: Laura Mabee on August 31, 2010, 10:07:24 PM
Looks beautiful! I can't wait to read it!
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 01, 2010, 02:17:51 AM
I have to admit I do not buy books with a cover like this, I would expect a wild romance between blonde sexy chick and extremely muscular guy who lived happily ever after :) But fortunatelly I know what this one is about, so I´m still tuned :) . But seriously..... the one who designed the cover had tooo little fantasy.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on September 04, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
Hey I just found this thread! Really thrilled and cannot wait! Congratulations Sarah!

I thought " Daughters of the Tsar " a wonderful  title and Holly's mock up cover, excellent for young readers. But this is publishing, and as is often the case with  these decisions, they seem to  discount those of us who will buy the book regardless ( like me and the rest of us on AP! ) and seek  the attention of others who may not come to the book  other wise.  But whatever, it's an amazing achievement ! Actuality always is  and I look so forward to it :)
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And a confession: I'm very excited and flattered, but at the same time nervous at the thought of living up to all your expectations -- not to mention my own. ; )
lol! not to worry! But the waiting is not easy!
 Congratulations again Sarah! :)
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Post by: Laura_ on September 04, 2010, 10:39:24 AM
Congratulations Sarushka!!!!!!!   8) :)
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Post by: Forum Admin on September 04, 2010, 10:46:48 AM
Bob and I are remiss in not adding our own "Brava" and job well done to Sarah. You got no corrections from us because there were none we could find! A beautiful job of story telling without taking noticeable "liberties" with the genuine history and facts.
best wishes for much success!

Rob and Bob
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 05, 2010, 06:19:55 AM
I too find the cover off-putting, but will look out for the book regardless.

Ann
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Post by: Ilana on September 05, 2010, 10:24:22 AM
A good fictional account would be great, I can't wait Sarah... ugh about the cover...can't have everything, as I have definitely learned!!!!
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Post by: Sarushka on September 05, 2010, 03:35:20 PM
Bob and I are remiss in not adding our own "Brava" and job well done to Sarah. You got no corrections from us because there were none we could find! A beautiful job of story telling without taking noticeable "liberties" with the genuine history and facts.
best wishes for much success!

Rob and Bob

Thank you!


But this is publishing, and as is often the case with  these decisions, they seem to  discount those of us who will buy the book regardless ( like me and the rest of us on AP! ) and seek  the attention of others who may not come to the book  other wise.

EXACTLY.

This is all I feel comfortable saying about it without risking alienating you guys and/or my publisher: When it comes to cover art, authors (especially authors of historical fiction) are often caught between a rock and a hard place, so please don't assume I'm not satisfied with this compromise between history and teen appeal.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on September 05, 2010, 05:28:51 PM
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EXACTLY.
This is all I feel comfortable saying about it without risking alienating you guys and/or my publisher: When it comes to cover art, authors (especially authors of historical fiction) are often caught between a rock and a hard place, so please don't assume I'm not satisfied with this compromise between history and teen appeal.
My dear you could not alienate us here. Your unfailing kindness and knowledge is too well known and cherished...on a daily basis!  The truth is we would buy your book  whatever the cover, ...and gladly! lol!  I felt guilty about complaining later. Because being published and having a new OTMA novel is so wonderful... what is a  cover compared with that? It's worth anything the art dept devises.

Bravo again!  :)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 06, 2010, 03:18:23 AM
Yep, I agree with blessOTMA :) I did not write that to criticize, it was just the first thing that sprung into my mind. In the end the author and story count, not the cover.
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 06, 2010, 03:34:33 AM
'When it comes to cover art, authors (especially authors of historical fiction) are often caught between a rock and a hard place, so please don't assume I'm not satisfied with this compromise between history and teen appeal.'

Fear not. The cover and the book are different things entirely.

Ann
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Post by: Olga Maria on September 06, 2010, 03:37:50 AM
I think the cover art is lovely. It would be a very good pleasure to have that book here in Philippines but sadly, it would not be :’ (
Btw, I congratulate you many, many times for a job well done, Angel Sarah!! : ))

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Post by: Forum Admin on September 06, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
Am I the only one who remembers the very old very true saying "Never judge a book by its cover" !!! ;- )
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Post by: nena on September 06, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Am I the only one who remembers the very old very true saying "Never judge a book by its cover" !!! ;- )

Indeed. I dislike the cover somehow too - But I am pretty certain that 'The Lost Crown' hides a treasure inside itself!!! Those years of your Romanov experience will certainly be seen. Congratulations, Sarah!
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 07, 2010, 05:06:16 AM
Am I the only one who remembers the very old very true saying "Never judge a book by its cover" !!! ;- )

You are not. Just read what we wrote right above :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: koloagirl on November 11, 2010, 05:33:45 PM

Aloha all!

I'm honestly thinking of purchasing a "Kindle" just so that I could read this book now!  Amazon has the "kindle" version available - how tempting!

But I'll probably wait until I can order the book itself - and I still have that spot saved in my Romanov library for your book Sarushka!

As far as the cover, we all know the book will be wonderful, so it is a moot point IMO!
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on November 18, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
I like that cover, actually. But of course, I would read Sarah's book no matter what was cover looked like. I can't wait. Because I know it's written by Sarah, I know there won't be a lot of BS in it!
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 01, 2010, 11:21:00 AM
I actually like the cover, too!  :)
I can't wait for it to come out--I read Miss Spitfire several years ago, before I was interested in the Romanovs, I believe... It was excellent, and I was excited to learn that you were it's author, Sarushka!
Happily anticipating the release of this Romanov novel--one I know I will certainly enjoy!  ;D
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Post by: Sarushka on May 01, 2011, 03:22:34 PM
If you happen to be a librarian, bookseller, book-blogger or reviewer, register for Simon & Schuster's Galley Grab program for a chance to download an e-version of The Lost Crown *before* the official release date of June 14!

Click here (http://misspageturnerscityofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/01/be-part-of-simon-schuster-galley-grab.html) for coherent instructions and a link to register.
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Post by: Sunny on May 02, 2011, 12:23:14 AM
Oh, Saruska, that's really exciting and not for one reason!
First of all, it's wonderful you have taken so many informations for your book from here - this means we are making a good job, and, moreover, it confirms you are a vey expert about Romanovs! Like you, starting reading here I found out i didn't know so much about the Romanovs, as i believed. You'd say i'm here since a very little time, and can't say something like this; you'd be right, but the truth is I started reading here long before I joined the Forum and started write in it: i could understand english very good, but i believed i wasn't able to write it, so i just read what you all wrote, at it was amazing.
Secondly, I want to congratulate with you as a "novelist": of course i'm not, not officially (does this word exist in english?). I've written somed 10 novel and some 15 stories about the Romanovs, and never had the strenght and self confidence to try to publish them. Being here, and "witness" you success, waiting for you novel to be available... i'm not only so happy for you, but this makes also a hope for me! I hope you'll gforgive me, i'm being so selfish!
And so brava, and all my compliments. I think you wonderful book will make everyone in the forum feel we are working well  :D and of course, go on this way!
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Post by: Sarushka on May 03, 2011, 09:02:06 AM
Thank you, Sunny.

I hope you will feel comfortable publishing your stories someday. If not, that's ok too -- the best way to write is for yourself rather than an audience. I can tell you this book was much harder to write than my first, mostly because I'd told a lot of people what I was writing about before I was finished. It's one thing to wonder theoretically what people will think of your work, but quite another to know they're already thinking about it.
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Post by: Sunny on May 04, 2011, 06:43:27 AM
Thank you saruska: it's so great for me speaking wiht a true writer - i mean, someone who has written for himself, and then has publicated. Thank you  ;)
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on May 04, 2011, 07:36:54 PM
Looking forward to it ... c'mon June 14!
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Post by: blessOTMA on May 04, 2011, 07:38:54 PM
the best way to write is for yourself rather than an audience

                                               Sarushka


  Tremendous truth in that . And the funny part is that's when you have the most to offer an audience!
Got your book on Amazon prepay and looking forward to it !
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Post by: Sunny on May 05, 2011, 06:12:57 AM
Got your book on Amazon prepay and looking forward to it !

Me too! It will be my birthday self - present!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 06, 2011, 01:21:58 PM
If you happen to be a librarian, bookseller, book-blogger or reviewer, register for Simon & Schuster's Galley Grab program for a chance to download an e-version of The Lost Crown *before* the official release date of June 14!

Click here (http://misspageturnerscityofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/01/be-part-of-simon-schuster-galley-grab.html) for coherent instructions and a link to register.

Hey Sarah, adding my congrats here on the new book! Just registered to get an e-galley (which will take several days). Looking forward to reading it!
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 06, 2011, 02:44:18 PM
Congrats! We get many new books through our book lease here at the library. I'm in charge of Juvenile and Young Adult purchases. Unlike so many of our royal books, THIS one (finally, after so many I wasn't able to get) made the lease list! I was so excited and had to go brag how I knew the author to my director.  :) ;)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 06, 2011, 03:50:40 PM
Sarah, do you know if this book going to be available as audio book eventually?
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Post by: RHB on May 06, 2011, 04:03:12 PM
Two questions (one serious one not so serious): 1. Will it be availabe in places besides amazon like I have a barnes and nobles bookstore not close, close like right in town but close so will it be in a place like that?  ??? 2. Is it June 14 yet?  ;D
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Post by: Sarushka on May 06, 2011, 06:05:59 PM
Thanks for the congrats, all.


Sarah, do you know if this book going to be available as audio book eventually?

I sure hope so. AFAIK, there's been no discussion yet.


Two questions (one serious one not so serious): 1. Will it be availabe in places besides amazon like I have a barnes and nobles bookstore not close, close like right in town but close so will it be in a place like that?

Barnes & Noble is definitely carrying it online, but you'll have to check with your local store to see if they have plans to stock it. I'm sure they'll special order a copy for you regardless of whether the store is going to carry it.
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Post by: RHB on May 06, 2011, 06:43:01 PM
Thank you Sarah... and i'll be sure to do just that! Yes I asked if it was the official date because i'm excited for your book and i'd no doubt am the most impatient one for anything in my family!  :)
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Post by: Sarushka on May 06, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
It's possible the book *might* be available in some stores before June 14. I'm not J.K. Rowling, so the release date isn't rigid. It's more of an on-or-before-June-14 situation.

For example, my first book had an official release date of July 10, but copies started turning up at the very end of June. My complimentary carton of books had arrived at the end of May. I have no idea if that timing is typical. All I can tell you at this point is that the author generally gets her copies first, and I haven't seen one yet.
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 07, 2011, 03:10:53 PM
I sure hope so. AFAIK, there's been no discussion yet.

 I am the "audiobook queen" at my library, which means I order most of the audiobooks, and we do have Miss Spitfire, so I think eventually this one will come through too, although it does take a little while after the release of the regular one, and from what I understand it's a completely different copyright, etc... Maybe it can be read by the author ;)  Is this one considered YA fiction too?
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 07, 2011, 06:14:15 PM
Hey Sarah,
If The Lost Crown does come out on June 14th, it will be on Maria's birthday (Julian Calendar). That's kind of neat, don't you think?
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Post by: Sarushka on May 07, 2011, 11:12:40 PM
Maybe it can be read by the author ;) 

Not this author!

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Is this one considered YA fiction too?

It is, but for a slightly older audience than Miss Spitfire, which was marketed at the 9-12 year old bracket. I think they're labeling The Lost Crown as 7th grade and up.
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2011, 03:26:29 PM

It is, but for a slightly older audience than Miss Spitfire, which was marketed at the 9-12 year old bracket. I think they're labeling The Lost Crown as 7th grade and up.

Ok, this means we get to order it instead of the chilldren's department!  :)
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Post by: Laura Mabee on May 08, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
I am so excited Sarushka!!! : D
I know this one is going to hit the ball out of the park and make a home run!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 11, 2011, 03:38:29 PM
I totally agree!!!! Can't wait!!!!
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Post by: Sarushka on May 11, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
Can't wait!!!!

If you want to whet your appetite, the first chapter of The Lost Crown is printed in the very back of paperback editions of Miss Spitfire (http://www.amazon.com/Miss-Spitfire-Reaching-Helen-Keller/dp/1442408510/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1305152723&sr=8-1).
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Post by: LisaDavidson on May 18, 2011, 12:03:50 PM
Sarah:

I can't believe I didn't congratulate you yet on your accomplishment! I'll order it today and I'm looking forward to reading it!

Best of best,

Lisa
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 18, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
Hey just wondering: is there going to be any photos of NAOTMAA in The Lost Crown??
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Post by: Sarushka on May 18, 2011, 05:19:55 PM
Thanks Lisa!


Hey just wondering: is there going to be any photos of NAOTMAA in The Lost Crown??

There are eight photos in the back of the book, but they're not likely to be new to NAOTMAA fans. They're from Beinicke, and a couple generous AP members.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 20, 2011, 03:02:23 PM
Awesome! I am really  looking forward to it. I've read Miss Spitfire,  so I know The Lost Crown will be great, too!!!!!
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Post by: Ilana on May 21, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
BIG congrats, Sarah!!! XO
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 30, 2011, 07:09:36 PM
Just one quick question, Sarushka:
I know that The Lost Crown takes place during the war years, but does it focus mainly on 1914 stuff (beginning of the war, etc), 1915-16 stuff (Nicholas losing power, etc), or the revolution, or all equally, or . . . ?


NO, you will not spoil the book or make me lose my excitement for answering!  :)
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Post by: Sarushka on May 30, 2011, 09:12:23 PM
1914-1916: pgs 1-82
1917-1918: pgs 83-417
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Post by: Olga Bernice on May 30, 2011, 09:29:19 PM
Awesome!!!!

1917-1918: pgs 83-417

Does the book end on page 417? I thought I had read somewhere that there was 448 . . . but you're the author, and that website could be wrong . . .  :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on May 30, 2011, 10:35:58 PM
There's over 400 pages?!! WOW! =)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on May 31, 2011, 08:06:47 AM
The story itself ends on page 412, but the "extras" on the unnumbered pages at the front and back include:
cast of characters
Russian glossary
a note about OS/NS dates
epilogue
photos (6 pages)
author's note
recommended books, films, and sites for more information
bibliography
acknowledgements

I haven't actually counted those pages, but I'm sure they make up the difference between 412 and 448.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Loxias on May 31, 2011, 09:33:18 AM
^ You are the Author? Amazing! I have been waiting for this book for a couple of months after I saw it on a review site! I am super excited. I do have one question about it?

It is a silly question. But how long does it take for your books to be paperback? My library is all paperback books in my history spot.  :-[ But this book, I cannot wait for, I will be getting it in hardback as soon as I can!! I just want to know, so I can snag a copy in paperback as well? :)

Thank you so much! I cannot wait.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on May 31, 2011, 09:37:09 AM
But how long does it take for your books to be paperback?

There's no set schedule -- it depends a lot on sales. My last book took three years, but some books come out in paperback in as little as six months.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on May 31, 2011, 12:57:26 PM
There's over 400 pages?!! WOW! =)
lol! I realized later that might  sound odd...I was  only surprised because it's a young adult book and I didn't know they came this long!  Greatly looking forward to it =)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on May 31, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
The story itself ends on page 412, but the "extras" on the unnumbered pages at the front and back include:
cast of characters
Russian glossary
a note about OS/NS dates
epilogue
photos (6 pages)
author's note
recommended books, films, and sites for more information
bibliography
acknowledgements

Wow! You sure put a lot into the extras department - not that I'm criticizing - I think it's great!!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on May 31, 2011, 04:41:09 PM
Once again congrats on getting your book published, Sarah.  It sounds very good.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Loxias on May 31, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
But how long does it take for your books to be paperback?

There's no set schedule -- it depends a lot on sales. My last book took three years, but some books come out in paperback in as little as six months.

That makes sense. I was wondering why some books came out in paperback qicker than most.
Honestly, it does not matter though. :D
Because I am too excited about this book. Congratulations!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 03, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
It's getting nearer to June 14th!!! So excited!!

It's possible the book *might* be available in some stores before June 14. I'm not J.K. Rowling, so the release date isn't rigid. It's more of an on-or-before-June-14 situation.

For example, my first book had an official release date of July 10, but copies started turning up at the very end of June. My complimentary carton of books had arrived at the end of May. I have no idea if that timing is typical. All I can tell you at this point is that the author generally gets her copies first, and I haven't seen one yet.

Do the complimentary carton of books usually come about a month before the actual book is published?
(If so, I hope you got yours a LONG time ago, so it's all the more sooner for it to be published!)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 03, 2011, 06:18:43 PM
It's getting nearer to June 14th!!! So excited!!

It's possible the book *might* be available in some stores before June 14. I'm not J.K. Rowling, so the release date isn't rigid. It's more of an on-or-before-June-14 situation.

For example, my first book had an official release date of July 10, but copies started turning up at the very end of June. My complimentary carton of books had arrived at the end of May. I have no idea if that timing is typical. All I can tell you at this point is that the author generally gets her copies first, and I haven't seen one yet.

Do the complimentary carton of books usually come about a month before the actual book is published?
(If so, I hope you got yours a LONG time ago, so it's all the more sooner for it to be published!)



As a matter of fact, my carton arrived just a few hours ago.

There are a couple photos on my Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sarah-Miller-writes-books/198969193606).

This weekend I hope to post info about a book giveaway I'm hosting on my blog/FB page, and where to buy signed copies. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 03, 2011, 06:48:58 PM
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is awesome!!!!!!!!! I am literally shivering with excitement - I have been looking forward to this book for nearly 2 months now!!!!!!!!!

Will you be signing copies that are sent to amazon.com? =)  I've already ordered it!! :-[

I am SO happy! YAY!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 03, 2011, 06:52:14 PM
Will you be signing copies that are sent to amazon.com?

Nope. You'll have to get signed copies from an independent bookstore here in Michigan. I'll post the info as soon as I know for sure when I'll be there to sign their stock.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 03, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
Will you be signing copies that are sent to amazon.com?

Nope. You'll have to get signed copies from an independent bookstore here in Michigan.

Oh well. That doesn't at all dull my excitement. I visited your facebook page - it looks great!!!! This is so awesome. I hope it comes quick - it'll probably be the only book I'll read all summer!! ;D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on June 03, 2011, 11:47:49 PM
I went over to look as well...it's gorgeous, I'm  loving the yellow front and  purple back...and the fab  size!!( more to read)  Can't wait for my Amazon order!   You are to be congratulated for this achievement...and Sarah, you have become part of Romanov history now :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 04, 2011, 11:58:03 AM
I visited your facebook page - it looks great!!!!

It looks like the absolute perfect book to curl up with and get lost in!! Congrats, Sarushka, and (I'm sure I speak for all the forum members in the following statement) from me - and teen readers all across the U.S.A - the countdown has begun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 04, 2011, 10:31:30 PM
Starting first thing Monday morning, I'm hosting a Romanov trivia quiz giveaway on my blog. Here are the three prize packages:


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/th_100_1928.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/?action=view&current=100_1928.jpg)
A signed copy of The Lost Crown & The House of Special Purpose


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/th_100_1927.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/?action=view&current=100_1927.jpg)
A signed copy of The Lost Crown & Nicholas II: The Imperial Family


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/th_100_1926.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/blog/?action=view&current=100_1926.jpg)
A signed copy of The Lost Crown & The Sunset of the Romanov Dynasty

Please visit my blog for details:
Lost Crown Giveaway! (http://sarahmillerbooks.blogspot.com/2011/06/giveaway.html)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 04, 2011, 11:22:38 PM
HOLY CRAP THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on June 05, 2011, 01:37:14 AM
HOLY CRAP THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I  2nd that!!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: RHB on June 05, 2011, 01:51:05 AM
HOLY CRAP THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I  2nd that!!!

Let me be the first to 3rd that before anyone else!  ;D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 05, 2011, 02:41:14 AM
Left a comment on you blog, Saruska - i'm so excited.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 05, 2011, 09:13:02 AM
You guys are fun.

The quizzes are going to be pretty easy for AP folks. To be fair to readers who are brand new to the Romanovs, I had to make sure all the answers could be found online.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 05, 2011, 09:56:48 AM
so it would be a fight to death between us of the AP forum?  :D :D taht sounds interesting...
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 05, 2011, 01:29:43 PM
Wow, that looks great!  :D I am looking foward to this book so very, very much; I am sure that I will read it millons of times!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 05, 2011, 03:49:30 PM
I'm sure, too; i've ordered my online copy today, but alas i'll have to wait for a long time. Living in europe, standart delivery tooks 18 - 32 days to come. Hope it'll be just 18! But the fast one was too expensive and i don't trust this kind of things... sounds me like an attempt to have your money and don't be fast.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 05, 2011, 09:00:51 PM
So, Sarushka, is the official release date still June 14th, now that you have your copies?

I have ants in my pants, because it's so close, yet so far!!!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 05, 2011, 11:42:39 PM
I imagine it will be out in Canada at the same time as the U.S.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 06, 2011, 08:02:18 AM
So, Sarushka, is the official release date still June 14th?

I imagine it will be out in Canada at the same time as the U.S.

Yes and yes. June 14, if not sooner.

(If a store receives their stock early, they don't have to wait until the 14th to begin selling them -- this ain't Harry Potter #7!)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 06, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
(If a store receives their stock early, they don't have to wait until the 14th to begin selling them -- this ain't Harry Potter #7!)

For us Romanovphiles and OTMA groupies, it is!  ;)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 06, 2011, 08:17:07 AM
(If a store receives their stock early, they don't have to wait until the 14th to begin selling them -- this ain't Harry Potter #7!)

For us Romanovphiles and OTMA groupies, it is!  ;)

I have to admit that i wasn't so excited for a book release since the time of HP 7!! (i'm a Hp fan, you know).
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 06, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
I'll have to second that, Sunny, (except I don't read Harry Potter, but that's not the point). It sounds like the perfectperfectperfect book to curl up and get lost in for an hour . . . or maybe two . . . or maybe 6 or 7 . . .  :)! I think this will be a book that I'll stay up until 2:00 AM reading because I don't want to put it down! ;D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 07, 2011, 12:55:18 AM
When Hp 7 came out i was in Petersburg. That day i was woth my group at the Pter and Paul cathedral, but i took a taxi by myself to go on the Nevskj and buy the very first copy of hp (in english of course...) and read it during that very night!!
I know i'll do just the same with saruska's book. I'll assault the poor man who'll deliver me the book from amazon, and will spend a night with it! i know!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 07, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Sarah's book is out in Canada now.  I just brought my copy home.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 07, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
NOW I wish I lived in Canada!!! I'm jealous, Tim! Just checked on amazon.com, and the title says it STILL hasn't been released. Should it be out on Amazon before June 14th, Sarushka, or should it just be out in little bookstores before June 14th?
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Post by: TimM on June 07, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Maybe you should check your nearest bookstore.  I got mine in Chapters (the Canadian Barnes And Noble).
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 07, 2011, 05:02:24 PM
Cool! I just might do that, but I'll probably end up waiting because I've pre - ordered it already  :(.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 07, 2011, 07:29:23 PM
I called Booksamillion here in Charleston, West Virginia, USA,  and they are getting one copy, which they will hold for me ...
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 07, 2011, 08:54:37 PM
Lucky you, bestfriendsgirl! That was definitely perfect timing!

It still isn't available on Amazon (I am basically checking daily now!)  :(   :'(   Boo - hoo! I guess that'll just make it all the more sweeter when it arrives!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: historyfan on June 07, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
Maybe you should check your nearest bookstore.  I got mine in Chapters (the Canadian Barnes And Noble).

Thanks, Tim!  A trip to Chapters is definitely in my near future!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 08, 2011, 12:17:06 PM
I have a little contest going on right now through my website, if anyone is interested.
I'm going to give away 5 copies of The Lost Crown.
For more information check out the update. (http://www.facebook.com/Frozentears.org?ref=ts)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 08, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
OH MY GOODNESS OH MY GOODNESS OH MY GOODNESS! I am so excited, can you tell?

I just checked on Amazon.com, and the Lost Crown is in stock!!! (It might take 1 or 2 days to process, but still . . . that's just 1 or 2 days!!)

I am really excited. I ordered it a month ago, and compared to a month, one or two days seem like snap!

Congratulations (again) Sarushka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 08, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
From what I have read so far, you're written a great book, Sarah :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 08, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Can you post the back cover, Sarushka? I've seen the front AND the sides, but even though I've been on your blog and all, it won't come up on my computer :). It isdriving me CRAZY - I want to know what it says!!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 08, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
From what I have read so far, you're written a great book, Sarah :)

Thank you, Tim!


Can you post the back cover, Sarushka?

Here's the photo from the back cover:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Book%20covers/th_lostcrownback.png) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Book%20covers/?action=view&current=lostcrownback.png)

This text is superimposed over it in purple:
There has never been such a summer! Since sailing from Peterhof, my sisters and I have spent all day on the sunny decks of our dear Standart, playing shuffleboard, rollerskating, dancing, and yes, sometimes flirting with the officers. Of course they kissed our hands when we climbed aboard, but only because we’re the tsar’s daughters.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: RHB on June 08, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
Neat! Let me guess Tatiana, Olga (in middle/front) and Maria on back with Anastasia on front since there's only three sisters on the back?  :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 09, 2011, 12:01:53 AM
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Thank you, Tim!

You're welcome, Sarah.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 09, 2011, 12:49:54 AM
Of course the girls of the cover couldn't resemble otma so much but...
in the back cover tatiana is clear; on the left Olga? And on the right... Maria? Anastasia?
by the way, the one in the front cover is the one who misses here... maybe anastasia? (the story is told is first person by anastasia, did i understand right?)
Mmm i'm doubtful... i know they couldn't appear just like otma, but it's curious  :D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 09, 2011, 12:59:44 AM
Actually, it's told by all four of them. 
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 09, 2011, 06:12:44 AM
Actually, it's told by all four of them. 

Thanks! i thought it was told by anastasia... uhm, don't know whay exactly  :D Maube i thought the one in the front cover waa her?
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on June 09, 2011, 07:35:39 AM
You can tell who's who by the hair ...and I'm loving the bit of text you posted! I have to say, something within me stood up when I read it....It's like channeling! Imo you have their voice , is the way I can say it. Wow! You know in very short order, people will be coming to AP saying they got interested in the family bcause of your book and that will go on for many years . It's wonderful.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 09, 2011, 08:53:09 AM
It's so pretty, in the novel i'm actually writing everyone of otma speaks; a chapter for everyone. Of course i'm not far good as sarushka at describing otma's voices; but it's pretty we've used the same way to tell...
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on June 09, 2011, 02:44:03 PM
Congratulations Sarushka! I just ordered my copy from Amazon.co.uk and am so excited! It should arrive between the 14th-17th.
The cover is so pretty. I think it's Anastasia on the front, and from left to right Olga, Tatiana and Maria. I think it's very neat that each chapter is told by a different sister, instead of just Anastasia as it so typically is...
congrats again! :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: blessOTMA on June 09, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
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Greetings from Amazon.com. We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items, and that this completes your order.Amazon.com items (Sold by Amazon.com, LLC) : 1 The Lost Crown 
omg! =)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 09, 2011, 10:18:29 PM
I lovelovelove the back (and front) covers! They both, especially the back, carry a certain mystique - ness (is that even a word?) that I, for one, would definitely want to read.

Also, blessOTMA, I know EXACTLY how your feeling - my copy was shipped today, too! So excited!!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 09, 2011, 11:11:22 PM
I haven't been able to order mine yet, but I will in a day or so. As others have said, I haven't been this excited for a book since HP7!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 10, 2011, 10:10:35 AM
Clock> You can also give a hand at Sarah's or my book contest to win a copy too!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 10, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
After looking at the cover (again) I have a conclusion and a question:

Conclusion: Olga is on the left (although she only has her hair partially up), Tatiana is in the middle (because of the headband), and Maria is on the right (because of the way her hair is down), and Anastasia is on the cover, because I read somewhere that Anastasia is the most distinctive sister(?).

Question: Are the dresses that OTMA are wearing based on dresses from actual photos, or did the designers just decide that they were appropiate for the era?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 10, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
I don't know whether or not the dresses were modeled on any particular photographs. As is typically the case, I had no input on this cover image until it was 90% finished.

As for who is who -- PM me and I'll tell you a tiny secret about the girls on the cover.


I have to say, something within me stood up when I read it....It's like channeling! Imo you have their voice , is the way I can say it. Wow!

That is a very touching compliment. Thank you. I hope the other three girls' voices will speak as clearly to you.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 10, 2011, 08:05:50 PM
I finished it today, Sarah.  Well done, you have a book to be proud of. 

I recognized quite a few names on the acknowledgement page from here :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 11, 2011, 01:09:25 PM
You acknowledged some of us in the Lost Crown! Even if I'm not in there (which I doubt I am - I haven't done anything deserving of such an honor :)) then I can still brag that I know both the author AND some of the others listed!

It's nice to know such neat people!  ;D

Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 12, 2011, 10:24:50 PM
My copy is scheduled to arrive tomorrow!!!! So, so, so excited!!!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 12, 2011, 11:48:30 PM
Trust me, you're gonna love it.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 13, 2011, 06:15:30 AM
Mine has just left from US. time delivery 24/06 - 07/07.
Why do i have to wait so long???
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 13, 2011, 08:11:09 AM
I WANT, I WANT, I WANT !!!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on June 13, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
Why do i have to wait so long???

I know how you feel! My copy was meant to be here but isn't! AHH!
Plus I keep reading about how great it is and it just makes me more frustrated! I WANT MY COPY!!!  ;D
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 13, 2011, 11:51:07 AM
I guess  it takes longer for those who live outside North America.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 13, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
My copy JUST arrived, earlier today. I RAN to the front door, jerked it open just as the delivery guy was walking away, and tore the box to shreds. <laughs> Maybe that was a little dramatic, but I did something along those standards. :) I'm on page 54 (I read fast when the book is really good and I can't pull my nose out of it long enough to get myself a glass of water).

Sarushka, you've got something to be proud of! It's my absolute favorite book in the world, and I haven't even finished it! You do, like blessOTMA said, have all of their voices. I can imagine myself in every one of the characters, but I can still tell how they all are different.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 13, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
AAAAHHHH!!!
Please stop repeat how's good.... I have to wait for at least another 10 DAYS!!!
I don't think i'll be so strong to resist.
Help.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 13, 2011, 04:58:08 PM
Sorry Sunny! Didn't mean to weaken your nerves! Have strength!  ;D :D :)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 14, 2011, 01:00:39 AM
delivery on 24 june was intented if the book's release was today. It was already released, so i hope it will arrive sooner.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 14, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
SUNNY DON'T READ THIS I DON'T WANT YOU TO DIE

Sarushka, I just finished your book, and it was awesome! You explained them all so well, you know? You made me feel like I was actually there. Anastasia was definitely my favorite character in your book, especially in Chapters 1 & 3. They made me laugh!

I have now started it over and am on Chapter 7.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 14, 2011, 08:43:49 PM
Thank you Tim and Olga_Bernice. I'm very glad to know The Lost Crown has lived up to your expectations. If I can pass muster here, I'll have no business fretting about what anyone else thinks!


Anastasia was definitely my favorite character in your book, especially in Chapters 1 & 3. They made me laugh!

I'm partial to Anastasia in chapter 25.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 14, 2011, 11:41:00 PM
Your book arrived today. I'm still reading it, but it looks like first class work! Congrats!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sunny on June 15, 2011, 12:52:48 AM
Didn't read Olga B. Thanks, you're a real friend! I just skipped it up ^^
But, i have also ordered Miss Spitfire. Just to make me a "sarah's culture" LOL
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on June 15, 2011, 11:34:58 AM
Yeah, I guess we better be careful what we post until everyone here has had a chance to read it.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 15, 2011, 12:20:39 PM
Thanks, you're a real friend! I just skipped it up ^^

Awww shucks!

Yeah, I guess we better be careful what we post until everyone here has had a chance to read it.

Yeah, I agree - I'll try not to say anything else about it until everybody else says something. I'll try . . .
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Post by: Condecontessa on June 15, 2011, 01:25:28 PM
I can't wait for mine to arrive that is why I have been avoiding this thread. But I just got to know so I am so jealous of everyone else who received the book and even finished reading their copy. Not fair but I know I will relish every second of it :)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 15, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
OH MY, Condecontessa, it is TOTALLY worth the wait!  :)
Sunny you probably shouldn't read this either  :D
Yeah, I agree - I'll try not to say anything else about it until everybody else says something. I'll try . . .
After this quick statement . . .  ;)
Hey Sarushka,
I just visited your blog, and I was reading the Self - Googling part. I was very surprised at some of the bad things people said about The Lost Crown! I honestly think that there are people out there that just look for bad things, then make bad things up when they can't find anything. That's what some of those people did. I had no trouble keeping track of the characters, and there wasn't a single page that I thought was boring, unnecessary, or not understandable. Just don't take those things to heart! Honestly - it's my favorite book in the world, and I thought that almost every page was pretty much perfect. And I'm not lying!
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Post by: Sunny on June 15, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
Yeah, I guess we better be careful what we post until everyone here has had a chance to read it.

I was signed up in an italian HP forum where there was a "spoiler" button which made invisible the posts at first sight - then you could highlite it with the mouse and you read: Hope i made me understood! It was made because there were people who know english well, and read HP books as soon as they are published in english; other don't, and have to wait for the italian translation. So there was this "spoiler" button.
Maybe we need one? I'm kidding, of course! XD
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Post by: koloagirl on June 15, 2011, 03:15:26 PM

Aloha all!

Just a note to say that my pre-ordered Amazon copy arrived 2 days ago - and I'm enjoying every page.  I'm "rationing" it so that I don't just read it in one big gulp, since it is so very good!

Wonderful job Sarushka - even better than I'd imagined (and that's going some!).......

Janet R.
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Post by: TimM on June 15, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
I'm guessing you live in Hawaii, Janet (did I spell the name of the state right).
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Post by: Holly on June 15, 2011, 03:46:52 PM
Just a note to say that my pre-ordered Amazon copy arrived 2 days ago - and I'm enjoying every page.  I'm "rationing" it so that I don't just read it in one big gulp, since it is so very good!

I very much wish I had rationed it that way a while back. I basically inhaled it within mere hours. But, of course, now I've read it about 10 times and can recite my favorite lines!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 15, 2011, 04:47:01 PM
Exactly my feeling, Holly! Whenever mine arrived Monday, then I didn't permit myself to read over page 208 (about halfway). Of course I finished it yesterday, then started it over yesterday, too, so I'm on page 223 of my second reading (and there will be more to come, I assure you!).
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Post by: RHB on June 15, 2011, 06:59:32 PM
I am now in the process hopefully of going to my Barnes and Noble Saturday and at least ordering it so that I can get it! YAY ME!Sarushka, i can't wait to read it!  ;D
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Post by: TimM on June 16, 2011, 11:25:26 AM
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I am now in the process hopefully of going to my Barnes and Noble Saturday

They might already have it in stock.  My local Chapters did.
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Post by: Sarushka on June 16, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
For another chance to win a signed copy of The Lost Crown, visit this interview (http://robinbridges.livejournal.com/66121.html), hosted by Barefoot Contessa and leave a comment about YOUR favorite Romanov.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 16, 2011, 01:55:43 PM
Thanks for the info, Sarushka!
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Post by: Helen_Azar on June 16, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
For another chance to win a signed copy of The Lost Crown, visit this interview (http://robinbridges.livejournal.com/66121.html), hosted by Barefoot Contessa and leave a comment about YOUR favorite Romanov.


"One of the reference librarians claims she's on the lookout for a samovar." It's too bad I am nowhere near there, I actually have a samovar I could have loaned them :)
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Post by: RHB on June 16, 2011, 02:50:34 PM
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I am now in the process hopefully of going to my Barnes and Noble Saturday

They might already have it in stock.  My local Chapters did.

I called yesterday to see if they did and they didn't!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 16, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
For another chance to win a signed copy of The Lost Crown, visit this interview (http://robinbridges.livejournal.com/66121.html), hosted by Barefoot Contessa and leave a comment about YOUR favorite Romanov.


"One of the reference librarians claims she's on the lookout for a samovar." It's too bad I am nowhere near there, I actually have a samovar I could have loaned them :)

She says she's found one!
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 16, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
A party focusing on a Romanov novel with a samovar? I wish I could be there!  :D
That's so interesting about the music, Sarushka, I love those opuses from Marie Antoinette, even though I've never seen the whole movie, they always make me think of the Romanovs! Dustin O'Halloran should compose the music for a Romanov film!
"After the murder of the last tsar, my interest in Russian history completely dissolves." Same here!

I went on Border's website to see if The Lost Crown was in stock at my local store, and it was sold out! Despite my disappointment at not being able to go there and get it right away, I was so delighted that so many people had bought it! Congratulations!  :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on June 16, 2011, 09:06:01 PM
I went on Border's website to see if The Lost Crown was in stock at my local store, and it was sold out!:)
Terrific! =)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: historyfan on June 16, 2011, 10:14:18 PM
I went on Border's website to see if The Lost Crown was in stock at my local store, and it was sold out!:)
Terrific! =)

Agreed - that's fantastic!
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: s.v.markov on June 17, 2011, 03:08:14 AM
Great news for UK readers ~ just heard that copies of 'The Lost Crown' were sent out yesterday and should arrive today!! Hurry up, Mr Mailman!
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Post by: Sunny on June 17, 2011, 07:58:53 AM
Ok, i'm getting obsessive.
Two minutes ago:
Door beel rings.
Sunny takes the citophone: "who's that?"
reply: "A delivery"
Sunny (getting excited) "Oh! are you from amazon?"
"No, miss, i'm just bringing catalogs. can you open the front door?" (i live in a stoxck of flat with a general entramce. they always push MY doorbell because i'm the only one living on the first floor)
"Oh (disappointed). Well, if you wish..."

I'm getting mad.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 17, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
For another chance to win a signed copy of The Lost Crown, visit this interview (http://robinbridges.livejournal.com/66121.html), hosted by Barefoot Contessa and leave a comment about YOUR favorite Romanov.


"One of the reference librarians claims she's on the lookout for a samovar." It's too bad I am nowhere near there, I actually have a samovar I could have loaned them :)

She says she's found one!

That's awesome, when is the event?
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on June 17, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
Ok, i'm getting obsessive.
Two minutes ago:
Door beel rings.
Sunny takes the citophone: "who's that?"
reply: "A delivery"
Sunny (getting excited) "Oh! are you from amazon?"
"No, miss, i'm just bringing catalogs. can you open the front door?" (i live in a stoxck of flat with a general entramce. they always push MY doorbell because i'm the only one living on the first floor)
"Oh (disappointed). Well, if you wish..."

<giggles>
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on June 17, 2011, 12:31:03 PM
My copy arrived yesterday! The cover is lovely. I finished it this afternoon (slow reading to take it all in) and am reading it again. Sarushka, you've written a masterpiece. Every chapter had me hooked and you captured the voices of each sister so well, I felt like I personally knew them. It's definetely got a special place in my bookshelf!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 17, 2011, 01:16:34 PM
Hi all!
If you're interested in some further input on the Lost Crown, then you can go to Amazon.com (which most of you probably ordered from). Even if you didn't, then if you're still waiting, check there, because there are lots of reviews, and one by me under the name of Olga Bernice Smith. :) Just a tip!
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Post by: Condecontessa on June 18, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
Just received mine and savored the book. Very lovely Sarushka. A well done masterpiece indeed. Like all the other posters, I will be read it a second time and third time and.........  some more. :)
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Post by: Sarushka on June 18, 2011, 10:53:48 AM
Romanov fans aren't easy to please, which makes it all the more gratifying to know that so many of you are enjoying The Lost Crown. Over the years I've seen many authors get burned here, so I have to admit I've been steeling myself for that possibility for a long time.

It feel awkward to solicit reviews, but if any of you have time or inclination to post your kind thoughts about The Lost Crown on sites like Amazon or Goodreads, I would very much appreciate the help it would be in getting the word out to general readers.
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Post by: TimM on June 18, 2011, 04:41:19 PM
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Romanov fans aren't easy to please, which makes it all the more gratifying to know that so many of you are enjoying The Lost Crown. Over the years I've seen many authors get burned here, so I have to admit I've been steeling myself for that possibility for a long time

Well, your book pleased me, Sarah.  You captured OTMA perfectly, I could almost hear them saying the words.
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Post by: historyfan on June 18, 2011, 09:02:28 PM
I hope Chapters-Indigo still has it in stock, because I've got a gift card and this book is #1 on my list of books to use it on!
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 19, 2011, 01:30:19 AM
I've had my copy for about 12 hours, and I've read more than halfway through. It's excellent! One small thing: I think the name of whoever the chapter was being narrated by would have been useful on the top of the pages. Sometimes I forget who is telling the story. But besides that, I love it! I'll add this to my "read over and over" collection.
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Post by: Sarushka on June 19, 2011, 09:20:39 AM
One small thing: I think the name of whoever the chapter was being narrated by would have been useful on the top of the pages.

I agree. My editor and I discussed that, but there was concern that the pages would be too cluttered. (Before anyone else says it: I don't really understand that argument either. My name and the title ended up at the top of the pages instead, which I think is less useful to readers.) I'm really glad they put the portraits of each GD at the head of every chapter, though.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 19, 2011, 06:22:05 PM
Yes. I love the portraits. Even though I know by heart what each sister looked like, it still sort of "refreshes my memory" and it's good for people who have never heard about the Romanovs.

Just wondering - why did you choose the picture that you did? It's a very beautiful and common picture, but was there any particular reason? 
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Post by: Sarushka on June 19, 2011, 07:08:57 PM
Just wondering - why did you choose the picture that you did? It's a very beautiful and common picture, but was there any particular reason?  

It was loaned to me free of charge by a kind forum member!

As far as cropping out the girls for the chapter headers -- that was the publisher's idea. I didn't even know for sure that they were doing it until it was done. Had I known, I *might* have tried to acquire permissions to use individual photos from the 1914 session. Since the book begins in 1914 it bugs me the tiniest bit that the portraits are from 1913, but the GDss expressions are so well suited to their personalities that I decided one year's difference wasn't worth obsessing over.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 19, 2011, 10:36:50 PM
Yeah, it's definitely not worth stressing over. It's a wonderful picture, and to be honest, OTMA doesn't look that much different in the faces from 1913-1914, just different hair and clothes. Besides, in the back, the picture clearly states it was taken in 1913, and you have the other picture clearly labeled 1914.

I think, all in all, you've got a great book! :)
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Post by: Sunny on June 20, 2011, 07:22:24 AM
Ok, my amazon account says i'll have my copy on 11 th july.
now i just have to find i way to "kill time" as we say in italian (i thinks is correct in english, too).
Any ideas?
I'm burning. i just WANT my copy.
it's not FAIR i have to wait so long.
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Post by: Loxias on June 20, 2011, 11:11:04 PM
My bookmark matches your book. :) It's got a golden crown on the end of it, and a T for my initial, which I stick in the book to mark my page.

Love this book so far, by the way. :D
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Post by: TimM on June 20, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
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Ok, my amazon account says i'll have my copy on 11 th july.
now i just have to find i way to "kill time" as we say in italian (i thinks is correct in english, too).
Any ideas?
I'm burning. i just WANT my copy.
it's not FAIR i have to wait so long.

I guess shipping it over there is what's taking so long.
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 21, 2011, 02:38:15 AM
Just finished it. Took me longer than usual to read through a novel because I'm working now...

But I loved it, of course! Soon I'll read it all over again. Hopefully this book will bring more young people to Romanov-fanaticism! 
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 21, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
Hopefully this book will bring more young people to Romanov-fanaticism! 
I was thinking the same! And it will be more historically accurate than other novels which have done so previously.
I must be more patient that some of you because I haven't even ordered my copy yet 'cause we haven't made it to the bookstore! I was wanting to use a giftcard I have, but perhaps I shall just get it from Amazon instead!
Poor Sunny, but think that every second is one moment closer to July 11th!  :D But really, I would get mad at the post too!
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Post by: TimM on June 21, 2011, 12:06:35 PM
This is a book that appeals to all ages, IMHO.
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Post by: RHB on June 21, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
I didn't end up going last Saturday but i've been told i'll be taken there this Saturday... so hopefully sometime this weekend i can go there and at least order it!  ::) Of course when I do get it... i won't be able to wait to read it!  :)
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 21, 2011, 08:38:17 PM
Hopefully this book will bring more young people to Romanov-fanaticism! 

Absolutely! I wish I could put this book in every middle-school library in the country. Just imagine the seventh-grade girl who checks this out when school starts in the fall and absolutely falls in love with it. She'll discover this website and go nuts with the on-line books, etc. even though she may have to look up a lot of the words in the dictionary. She'll move on to Nicholas and Alexandra even though some of the political stuff won't make a lot of sense, then, when she gets to high school, take Advanced Placement World History and read FOTR, getting an A on the report. Her fascination will continue to grow and branch out - she'll get a great scholarship to a prestegious university to major in history, spend her junior year abroad in Russia and go on to a masters and doctorate in Russian history ... you're growing our future woman historians!
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 21, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
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Just imagine the seventh-grade girl who checks this out when school starts in the fall and absolutely falls in love with it. She'll discover this website and go nuts with the on-line books, etc. even though she may have to look up a lot of the words in the dictionary. She'll move on to Nicholas and Alexandra even though some of the political stuff won't make a lot of sense, then, when she gets to high school, take Advanced Placement World History and read FOTR, getting an A on the report. Her fascination will continue to grow and branch out

This is me exactly, if you replace TLC with the Royal Diaries! TLC is obviously better, but that fake diary is responsible for so many girls finding their way to the Romanovs.

At least if they start with TLC instead of TRD, their starting info will be a lot better.
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Post by: Sunny on June 23, 2011, 06:09:18 AM
AAAAAHHHH
OMG
MY COPY HAS ARRIVED THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS AT WORK, I'M HOLDIN IT IN MY HAND NOW

*she faints*
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Post by: historyfan on June 23, 2011, 08:34:08 AM
Now Sunny, how can you read the book if you've fainted??  LOL!

I hope to get mine this weekend.
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Post by: Sunny on June 23, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Just got up after fainting.
NOW i can read it!
Oh, MG... the book from the library needs to be finished. I've short time left before give them back.
uff.
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Post by: Holly on June 23, 2011, 09:53:55 AM
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Just imagine the seventh-grade girl who checks this out when school starts in the fall and absolutely falls in love with it. She'll discover this website and go nuts with the on-line books, etc. even though she may have to look up a lot of the words in the dictionary. She'll move on to Nicholas and Alexandra even though some of the political stuff won't make a lot of sense, then, when she gets to high school, take Advanced Placement World History and read FOTR, getting an A on the report. Her fascination will continue to grow and branch out

This is me exactly, if you replace TLC with the Royal Diaries! TLC is obviously better, but that fake diary is responsible for so many girls finding their way to the Romanovs.

Same with me, Clock! Even the part about studying broad in Russia and doing Russian studies at a university. Except I recently figured out how much I don't like my school for various reasons and am not attending now. That and the fact that the school system is nearly corrupt and I've been correcting teachers and professors alike from the age of eleven so I've never been impressed...

Sarah's book is more like a breath of fresh air when it comes to the famously fictionalizing Romanov novels out there and will, from now on, be regarded as a staple and golden standard.




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Post by: blessOTMA on June 23, 2011, 10:38:27 AM
speaking of fainting, I don't know if others have this experience, but I think they might....I have merely peeked at it....because  after like 1 1/2 pages, 3 pages tops, I have to stop to get a grip...just lines like, "Even  Marie didn't feel like looking for her window family" ...undo me. I believe Ms. Frank and her pal, Kitty were on Sarah's shoulder...it was genius to have 4 , 1st persons. You could never get this much   history and the emotions to blend like this otherwise... this book sparkles with  the young people I have had in the corner of my eye and whose voices have rung in my ears for over 40 years. Perhaps because I'm a visual person, but meeting them in words is kind of a shock. I knew I would love it...but this was totally unexpected ...I will also say Sarah's ability to paint with words is amazing and there a marvelous tactile sensibility at work . Every part has a jewel of description that puts you right there .
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 23, 2011, 12:14:06 PM

Sarah's book is more like a breath of fresh air when it comes to the famously fictionalizing Romanov novels out there and will, from now on, be regarded as a staple and golden standard.


For real! Move over, Robert K. Massie, Greg and Penny!  ;)
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Post by: Robert_Hall on June 23, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
Massie, Greg & Penny do not write fiction. They have no reason to "move over".
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 23, 2011, 12:31:42 PM
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speaking of fainting, I don't know if others have this experience, but I think they might....I have merely peeked at it....because  after like 1 1/2 pages, 3 pages tops, I have to stop to get a grip...just lines like, "Even  Marie didn't feel like looking for her window family" ...undo me. I believe Ms. Frank and her pal, Kitty were on Sarah's shoulder...it was genius to have 4 , 1st persons. You could never get this much   history and the emotions to blend like this otherwise... this book sparkles with  the young people I have had in the corner of my eye and whose voices have rung in my ears for over 40 years. Perhaps because I'm a visual person, but meeting them in words is kind of a shock. I knew I would love it...but this was totally unexpected ...I will also say Sarah's ability to paint with words is amazing and there a marvelous tactile sensibility at work . Every part has a jewel of description that puts you right there .
Yes, blessOTMA, I agree with you completely . . . if I ever hoped to see the war and revolution as they saw it (or at least really close), this is as good as it gets. It's definitely better that Sarushka did the four POVs, because, for instance, Tatiana saw the revolution differently then, say, Anastasia. The girl's emotions are better stated since you have, say, Maria, who thinks one way about something, and then Olga, who will see Maria's way of thinking and compare it to her own (These are all examples).

Does this make any sense to anybody but me?
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Post by: Holly on June 23, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
Massie, Greg & Penny do not write fiction. They have no reason to "move over".

I'm sure she's aware of that. I don't think she meant it quite so literally as you seem to have taken it. Note the 'wink'.

I agree, Olga Bernice. I think that is the reason why she chose to narrate with each of their POVs. There's only so much depth when you have one voice speaking for all.
OTMA had been such one-sided characters with stereotypical traits to so many people for so long. Olga: Bookish, clever, honest/Anastasia: Impish, witty, funny. Those aren't real people those are caricatures. People tend to forget that, for instance, Maria could be angry or selfish just as the rest of the family.
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on June 24, 2011, 07:25:24 AM
I'm sure she's aware of that. I don't think she meant it quite so literally as you seem to have taken it. Note the 'wink'.

Thank you, Holly. I was trying to pay Ms. Miller a complement - maybe it didn't come out right. My apologies if I offended anyone.
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Post by: RHB on June 25, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
I just ordered my copy... FINALLY! They say about a week and then they'll let me know when it comes in!  ;D
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Post by: TimM on June 25, 2011, 11:55:12 PM
I guess it got released in Canada first.
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Post by: blessOTMA on June 26, 2011, 04:27:32 AM
I'm STILL just peeking! lol! Very quickly after  I open the book ,I 'll read something that puts them right into my brain , and then I have to shut the book! ...but I will say there's been something great on every page I've read...it's astonishing
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Post by: Sunny on June 26, 2011, 08:34:57 AM
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7714/p6260658.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7714/p6260658.jpg)

That's me, just an hour ago, immortalized by my husband while i was sunbathing in my own garden reading The lost Crown!
If you zoom on the pic, you'll can see i was reading one of Tatianas' chapters  ;)
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Post by: blessOTMA on June 26, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
Love the photo! Love how you are suitably  attired for reading about royalty! You would not look out of place
in a chair outside the Standart's saloon! =)
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Post by: Sunny on June 26, 2011, 10:08:45 AM
Love the photo! Love how you are suitably  attired for reading about royalty! You would not look out of place
in a chair outside the Standart's saloon! =)

^///^ OH!  that's only 'cause i had that simple summer dress and the hat... you should see me in the shop, high heels and elegant trousers...
 :-[
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on June 26, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
Does anyone have a favoruite part of the book?
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Post by: Sunny on June 26, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
Maybe you think i'm odd, but it was ages since i last cried reading a book. Maybe i have read to much - when i didn't work, i read a book a week, sometimes even 2 - and i have become less romantic and sensible (in everyday life i'm quite too much) while reading,i don't know.
But last time i cried for a book it was ages ago. And a minute ago, shocked, i realized i hasd something in my throat and tears on my cheeks while reading Tatiana's chap about Anna's accident. I wiped my tears and went on - and again cried when Alexej got off to reach his father.
I just can't deny Sarah know how to move reader! *wiped her tears again*
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Post by: historyfan on June 26, 2011, 08:51:37 PM
Am happy to report I went to Indigo today and got my copy, one of only 4 left in the store!  I'm enjoying it immensely.  It's quite fast-paced, but I love the different voices.  I find myself cheering a bit for Olga, wanting her to speak up and say what she wants to say!  lol  I don't have a favourite chapter, but I'm still only at the part where Olga and Alexei have come down with measles.  That's all I'll say, since I don't want to spoil anything! 

Congratulations again, Sarah! 
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 28, 2011, 07:59:44 AM
I think my favorite, although it's so good it's difficult to pick a favorite section, is probably anything with OT in the hospitals, since I'm studying to be a nurse. I know their education wasn't as in depth as mine, but it's still cool thinking about how I'm doing something similar.
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Post by: TimM on June 28, 2011, 12:23:25 PM
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since I'm studying to be a nurse

Good luck, Lisa :)
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on June 28, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
Good luck with your nurse training! My favourite was in chap. 46 with OTMA and the washerwomen. Anastasia made me laugh so hard when she talked about making OTMA a union - the UPEGD, I think it was. Union of Professional Ex-Grand Duchesses! I can imagine her coming up with something like that.  :)
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Post by: RHB on June 28, 2011, 02:17:49 PM
My favourite was in chap. 46 with OTMA and the washerwomen. Anastasia made me laugh so hard when she talked about making OTMA a union - the UPEGD, I think it was. Union of Professional Ex-Grand Duchesses! I can imagine her coming up with something like that.  :)

So can I... now i really can't wait to get my copy!  ;D
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 28, 2011, 02:44:39 PM
I received my copy in the mail today!!! I love it so far, GREAT job Sarushka!  :) I love each of their distinctive voices. Anastasia is so funny! The mustace part in the beginning really made me laugh. And the "lace curtain" dresses that made her look like a dumpling! Each voice is so perfect for their personalities. It's wonderful. Simply marvelous. When I saw the return form that came with it, I said "Return form? Seriously!" and promptly recycled it.  :D

I have a quick question--why do you always write in present tense? Because Miss Spitfire was like that as well.
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Post by: Sarushka on June 28, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
I have a quick question--why do you always write in present tense? Because Miss Spitfire was like that as well.

Some people find first-person present tense unnatural and faddish. I'm not one of them, but I do think present tense can feel strange when it's used arbitrarily, so I have deliberate reasons for choosing it in both cases:

With Miss Spitfire I wanted Annie Sullivan to be stuck in the moment with no more sense of perspective than she would have had in real life as events unfolded. In other words, I denied her the luxury of hindsight. I think it's likely that she was so wrapped up in dealing with the problems Helen Keller's behavior presented that she couldn't see beyond the present anyway.

My reasoning for The Lost Crown was slightly different. We know these girls don't have a future, and that their narrative will be abruptly cut off. So IMO it doesn't make sense to write in past tense, as if they're reminiscing about something. OTMA were denied the luxury of a past tense, so the book reflects that reality. Originally the first third of the book shifted back and forth between past and present. The opening was the same, but instead of jumping back to summer 1914 and moving straight forward, the girls reminisce about the circumstances that changed them from royalty to prisoners while they wait all night for the train that will transfer them from the AP into exile. Nothing fancy like flashbacks -- just straightforward storytelling as the GDss tried to amuse and distract themselves. In other words, the first 20 chapters all began in the semi-circular hall in 1917 and then turned into a memory/story of the past. Chapters 21-48 were all in present tense as the action moved forward. That approach got cut in editing -- we decided it was asking too much for readers to switch point of view AND tense AND keep track of a non-linear plot. (It's not even easy to explain in a way that makes sense.) The only remainder is the sort of mini-prologue from August 1917 that Maria narrates in the first couple pages.
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Post by: historyfan on June 28, 2011, 08:18:13 PM
Good luck with your nurse training! My favourite was in chap. 46 with OTMA and the washerwomen. Anastasia made me laugh so hard when she talked about making OTMA a union - the UPEGD, I think it was. Union of Professional Ex-Grand Duchesses! I can imagine her coming up with something like that.  :)

Hey now - some of us haven't gotten that far yet!  LOL!
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Post by: historyfan on June 28, 2011, 08:22:04 PM
I have a quick question--why do you always write in present tense? Because Miss Spitfire was like that as well.

Some people find first-person present tense unnatural and faddish. I'm not one of them, but I do think present tense can feel strange when it's used arbitrarily, so I have deliberate reasons for choosing it in both cases:

With Miss Spitfire I wanted Annie Sullivan to be stuck in the moment with no more sense of perspective than she would have had in real life as events unfolded. In other words, I denied her the luxury of hindsight. I think it's likely that she was so wrapped up in dealing with the problems Helen Keller's behavior presented that she couldn't see beyond the present anyway.

My reasoning for The Lost Crown was slightly different. We know these girls don't have a future, and that their narrative will be abruptly cut off. So IMO it doesn't make sense to write in past tense, as if they're reminiscing about something. OTMA were denied the luxury of a past tense, so the book reflects that reality. Originally the first third of the book shifted back and forth between past and present. The opening was the same, but instead of jumping back to summer 1914 and moving straight forward, the girls reminisce about the circumstances that changed them from royalty to prisoners while they wait all night for the train that will transfer them from the AP into exile. Nothing fancy like flashbacks -- just straightforward storytelling as the GDss tried to amuse and distract themselves. In other words, the first 20 chapters all began in the semi-circular hall in 1917 and then turned into a memory/story of the past. Chapters 21-48 were all in present tense as the action moved forward. That approach got cut in editing -- we decided it was asking too much for readers to switch point of view AND tense AND keep track of a non-linear plot. (It's not even easy to explain in a way that makes sense.) The only remainder is the sort of mini-prologue from August 1917 that Maria narrates in the first couple pages.

I have noticed that a lot of YA novels are written in present tense, but I understand your reasoning for doing so.  I've deliberated about that, but decided to stick with third-person past tense for mine.  Who knows, that may change - at any rate, some parts of "Lost Crown" have made me literally LOL, others have gotten me teary.  Only really good books can do that.  : )
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Post by: Sarushka on June 29, 2011, 08:05:14 AM
FYI, signed copies are available from The Books Connection (http://www.booksconnectionofshelby.com/Contact_Us.html). This is a local store for me, so I'll be able to sign stock periodically as it arrives.

I also signed some books for Pooh's Corner (http://www.poohscornerstore.com/Contact/tabid/65/Default.aspx), but since they're three hours away from me I can't guarantee a steady supply.

(Neither store has online shopping enabled -- just call or email them with an order.)
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 29, 2011, 05:01:28 PM
I noticed the present tense writing as well. I liked it. It was more exciting; it felt like the action was happening as I was reading it.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 29, 2011, 06:10:43 PM
at any rate, some parts of "Lost Crown" have made me literally LOL, others have gotten me teary.  Only really good books can do that.  : )
Exactly! Anastasia has made me laugh a LOT and the top of page 123 made me cry! I seriously don't think any book has made me cry before! At least not that I can remember... I love the part where Lili Dehn and Anastasia are acting like sisters. It's so sweet. The "1st provincial government" thing was so hilarious! Wherever did you come up with that, Sarushka? What I really like about the book is how you have put little things from letters in there, like the uncle-auntie newspaper thing. And I knew preciscely what photo you were talking about when Maria took her last photo at AP of Olga and Alexei! You should have put that in the back of the book, so readers would know it's a real picture.
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Post by: historyfan on June 29, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
I LOVE the first line or so of page 201.  : )

Sarah, I have a question: How did you decide whose PoV to use in each chapter?  That had to have been a daunting task!  and also to ensure that no one of the girls was represented more than the others.
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 30, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
I noticed a lot of photos being described in this novel.  :D
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Post by: historyfan on June 30, 2011, 07:35:43 AM
So did I.  What's involved in publishing photos?  I imagine there are a lot of legalities to transcend...
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Post by: Sarushka on June 30, 2011, 08:54:34 AM
I'm having a good time looking up all your favorite pages. Some of mine are: 68-9, 97, 211, 266-7, 412, and all of chapter 25.


The "1st provincial government" thing was so hilarious! Wherever did you come up with that, Sarushka?

It's in one of the courtier's memoirs. Of course, right now I can't find it. Maybe Dehn or Buxhoeveden?


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And I knew preciscely what photo you were talking about when Maria took her last photo at AP of Olga and Alexei! You should have put that in the back of the book, so readers would know it's a real picture.

I would have liked to, but that photo is owned by GARF, and my Russian just isn't good enough to negotiate that kind of transaction. Their fees for use of archival materials are also much higher for non-Russians.


What's involved in publishing photos?  I imagine there are a lot of legalities to transcend...

You have to determine who owns an original, and obtain their permission to print it. Most archives charge a fee (for Miss Spitfire, I paid $100 each for a couple of the photos) and the cost is the author's responsibility. I was lucky with The Lost Crown -- all the photos were lent free of charge by APTM members.


Sarah, I have a question: How did you decide whose PoV to use in each chapter?  That had to have been a daunting task!  

It was daunting. I had an outline from the beginning, all color-coded according to who would narrate which chapter:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/th_otmacorkboard.png) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/?action=view&current=otmacorkboard.png)

Choosing which POV for which chapter wasn't too difficult. Certain events fit one personality better than the others -- like Tatiana when NAM are taken from Tobolsk, for example. Tatiana actively participated in Alexandra's decision to accompany the tsar, so she was the natural choice. The revolution was also straightforward because only the little pair was well enough to observe and participate. Because she was the most aware of events and their repercussions, I usually turned to Olga for chapters centered around politics. The hardest part was making sure each GD would have the same number of chapters. I honestly don't know how I managed to pull that off. For a while I was constantly jostling chapters/narrators.
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Post by: TimM on June 30, 2011, 11:26:01 AM
The hardest part is getting towards the end, and knowing what happens.  You want them to be safe, even though you know it's not gonna happen.
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Post by: historyfan on July 01, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
The hardest part is getting towards the end, and knowing what happens.  You want them to be safe, even though you know it's not gonna happen.

YES.  Definitely. 
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Post by: TimM on July 01, 2011, 03:38:30 PM
It's kind of like reading about the Titanic and hoping the ship won't sink.  You know it does, but still..
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Post by: Sunny on July 01, 2011, 03:45:48 PM
It's kind of like reading about the Titanic and hoping the ship won't sink.  You know it does, but still..

Yep, it worked just this way for me.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 01, 2011, 05:54:52 PM
The covers for The Lost Crown are some of the best covers, IMO. I'm almost glad that they "fluffed" it a little - as you said a while ago, Sarushka, they need to add a certain amount of teen appeal - but I also known that if I was about to have a book published, one of the first and foremost things in my mind would be How is it going to look? Was this the way it was for you, Sarushka? What were some of your ideas before you saw the actual cover?
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Post by: Sarushka on July 01, 2011, 09:47:32 PM
I also known that if I was about to have a book published, one of the first and foremost things in my mind would be How is it going to look? Was this the way it was for you, Sarushka?

With the exception of signing the contract, unveiling the cover art is possibly the most exciting moment in the whole process. A LOT rides on the cover.

That said, I try not to envision too many covers in my head before I see the real thing. Authors tend to picture very literal covers -- in this case, an archival photo of OTMA, for example -- and while that often works well for non-fiction, it's usually not the best type of image to sell a novel. Professional designers are much better at evoking abstract elements like mood and tone visually. The final say is not up to me anyway, so I try not to get too wound up about it.


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What were some of your ideas before you saw the actual cover?

I don't think I gave my editor any concrete suggestions before they started the design process. However, I did provide 100+ images of OTMA, the IF, and their homes to give the designers a feel for the real-life people and places in the story, which you can see here (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/). Part of me did hope they would use archival photos, but I was equally curious to see what kind of original art or photography the designers would come up with on their own.


Initially there was talk about having four arms/hands meeting at the center of the cover, but that didn't progress beyond a couple of sketches. My only suggestion at that point was to incorporate these Faberge hearts I ran across in The Jewel Album of Nicholas II:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/th_OLGAheart.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/?action=view&current=OLGAheart.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/th_TATIANAheart.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/?action=view&current=TATIANAheart.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/th_MARIAheart.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/?action=view&current=MARIAheart.jpg)(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/th_ANASTASIAheart.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/?action=view&current=ANASTASIAheart.jpg)

I thought it would be nifty if each hand held out a heart with an initial on it, which would spell "OTMA."


My editor liked this photo, and there was some talk about using it on the back:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/th_otmaresting1916.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/DAUGHTERS%20OF%20THE%20TSAR%20cover%20image%20options/?action=view&current=otmaresting1916.jpg)


As you can see, none of that came to pass.
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 02, 2011, 01:10:04 AM
to me if photo based cover wasn't going to be used, then the point of the cover becomes to  get those who might pass the book by to give it a try...those who would read it anyway ,( like all here! =)  will read it anyway ... and so a very pretty cover was devised....with  nice colours choices I might add....But that photo of them on the hay stack would not have been a good choice  imo because frankly,  it is too close to the cellar. I'm speaking visually ....and the cellar is a decidedly off stage event.  But it's very important there are photos because it gets it across that while the book is a novel, it's about real people.
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on July 02, 2011, 04:01:00 AM
The cover is lovely, it would have been anyway, whether it had a different design or a photograph on it. A cover does not make what is written inside, it only advertises it. I'm sure alot of people will enjoy the book and more people will become interested in the IF.
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 02, 2011, 04:31:59 AM
It will certainly bring to the  family many new enthusiasts...and they will know the real history already thanks to the book ! =)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 02, 2011, 07:35:28 AM
But that photo of them on the hay stack would not have been a good choice  imo because frankly,  it is too close to the cellar.

I was a little nervous about it, but only because of Anastasia's cigarette. People can be awfully touchy about historical smoking nowadays.
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 02, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
But that photo of them on the hay stack would not have been a good choice  imo because frankly,  it is too close to the cellar.
I was a little nervous about it, but only because of Anastasia's cigarette. People can be awfully touchy about historical smoking nowadays.
  Indeed....but of course that part makes it extra interesting...however  since your main audience is the younger reader, I can see it being a problem...( though really its for all ages ) and  I have also heard people say:  how could she have a lit cigarette next to a hay stack? !  So lots of issues for a photo of sleepy Grand Duchesses lol!
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 02, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
I think it's unfortunate you have to be uneasy using a photo because of a cigarette. People act as though children never see people smoking!

Sarushka, I hope as you write more books, your publishers begin to trust you more and let you decide on more things by yourself. I hear it's always like that with newish authors, but it's a shame that you had so many good ideas that they wouldn't let you try. Nevertheless, I hope you're proud. You managed to write a very good book!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 02, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
I think it's unfortunate you have to be uneasy using a photo because of a cigarette. People act as though children never see people smoking!

Sarushka, I hope as you write more books, your publishers begin to trust you more and let you decide on more things by yourself. I hear it's always like that with newish authors, but it's a shame that you had so many good ideas that they wouldn't let you try. Nevertheless, I hope you're proud. You managed to write a very good book!

Nothing else to say . . . it's already been said in the quoted post!!! =)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 02, 2011, 03:55:32 PM
Sarushka, I hope as you write more books, your publishers begin to trust you more and let you decide on more things by yourself.

I don't think it matters how "big" you get -- things like cover design are almost always out of the author's hands. For the most part, that arrangement works out for the best -- writing a book and designing its cover require are two very different skill sets, and I know I've only got one of them.
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Post by: historyfan on July 02, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
But that photo of them on the hay stack would not have been a good choice  imo because frankly,  it is too close to the cellar.
I was a little nervous about it, but only because of Anastasia's cigarette. People can be awfully touchy about historical smoking nowadays.
  Indeed....but of course that part makes it extra interesting...however  since your main audience is the younger reader, I can see it being a problem...( though really its for all ages ) and  I have also heard people say:  how could she have a lit cigarette next to a hay stack? !  So lots of issues for a photo of sleepy Grand Duchesses lol!

More opportunities for learning!  : )
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Post by: TimM on July 03, 2011, 12:26:29 AM
The dangers of smoking weren't really known back then.  Granted Nastya might have had some health issues late in life, but sadly, she would never see late in life.  Heck, she didn't make it out of her teens.
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on July 04, 2011, 10:26:33 AM
You know you love The Lost Crown when ... You're at your city's 4th of July celebration and when the symphony orchestra gets to the end of the 1812 Overture, you're singing Anastasia's version of God Save the Tsar under your breath!  ;)
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Post by: Dust_of_History on July 04, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
The dangers of smoking weren't really known back then.  Granted Nastya might have had some health issues late in life, but sadly, she would never see late in life.  Heck, she didn't make it out of her teens.

I'm quite sure it was known back then that smoking was unhealthy. Alexandra once stated that nicotine is noxious. Maybe they didn't know which diseases are caused by smoking, like cancer or whatsoever.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 04, 2011, 11:34:33 AM
You know you love The Lost Crown when ... You're at your city's 4th of July celebration and when the symphony orchestra gets to the end of the 1812 Overture, you're singing Anastasia's version of God Save the Tsar under your breath!  ;)

You got an lol out of me with that one.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 04, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
You know you love The Lost Crown when ... You're at your city's 4th of July celebration and when the symphony orchestra gets to the end of the 1812 Overture, you're singing Anastasia's version of God Save the Tsar under your breath!  ;)

You got an lol out of me with that one.

=)
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Post by: Holly on July 04, 2011, 02:01:59 PM
I think the haystack photograph would've been great. The whole metaphor with the cellar would be caught by few, IMO, especially those who are new the the Romanov's story. A much better choice than yet another formal shot. I think one of the messages behind the book is that they were ACTUAL PEOPLE. A photograph of them laying down in the sun surrounded by haystacks and Anastasia smoking a cigarette with her eyes closed is a perfect example of a photograph that illustrates that point. (As well as Anastasia's personality, perhaps...)
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 04, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
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The whole metaphor with the cellar would be caught by few, IMO, especially those who are new the the Romanov's story
hmmmm well that's just it, they won't be new to the story shortly ....after they read the book...but the photo remains. If the art director had choosen photos as a way to go, then I  think a montage of actual photos in the back would have been a good choice . What's so great about a photo of them sleeping  if that's the only photo visible? As a stand alone it's so so....in a group , it's one of the great ones. Because it acts as foil to all the formal ones...  When we look at it, we also " see" in our minds  many other photos as well ...a good number of people would not . I like it very much myself...but not for the back by itself  imo.  If there was a formal photo of them on the front, however , then yes., then it becomes a good choice....because it then becomes a contrast . Just imo....but it's a moot point because I believe the cigarette  would have sunk it somewhere along the line if  Sarah hadn't nix it then ...it's too much a red flag today : teenager+ smoking . But I think the actual cover and back were chosen to emphasize the contents. There are the pictures and so many! =)
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Post by: RHB on July 04, 2011, 06:56:04 PM
Well they said it should take about a week so... i should get my copy soon! Today not withstanding since it's the fourth of July so they're of course probably closed! Ohhh I'm excited... and yes impatient but hey i'm the impatient one in my family when it comes to things especially like getting something wanted!  ;D
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Post by: Holly on July 05, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
I still don't see the negative side to a picture perhaps being a metaphor to their deaths. It's just another way to move the readers that actually do catch it, in an artistic sense. Nothing bad in that at all. I don't mean on the cover, as it's not visually arresting, but on the back.

Of course, the cover is perfect, nothing wrong with it at all. I'm just saying if that picture had been used it wouldn't have been a bad choice. I think the whole smoking point is being overdone. Teen fiction is full of stuff that is MUCH worse than smoking a cigarette amongst family members.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 05, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
I still don't see the negative side to a picture perhaps being a metaphor to their deaths. It's just another way to move the readers that actually do catch it, in an artistic sense. Nothing bad in that at all.

Yes, I agree, Holly.

However, I personally like the covers. The model for the front cover seems to be very pretty, and I know I read somewhere that Anastasia had either red or blonde hair. Either way, it is a very good cover. But the back still remains my personal favorite. The models chosen of OTM actually looked a lot like them, what with the 1914-style hair. That makes who they are all the more visable. And I also love the palace in the background of both the covers. That adds some mystique to the whole outlook of things on the covers.

Another neat thing is how they managed to fit the pearls into the picture. Anastasia has on a pearl necklace on the front cover, and the entire spine is covered with pearls. Somebody did their research on the Romanovs-Sarushka? :)-because I know that Alexandra loved pearls. Basically both of the covers and the spine are very pretty, and they all do the story good, IMO. I think a lot of people will be attracted to the novel because of it's covers, whereas if it had a photo on it, non-Romanov fans would have no idea who they are and what they were doing. So, all in all, I think that the photo would have been nice on the back, but I think that the chosen back cover is a better choice.
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Post by: TimM on July 05, 2011, 12:00:50 PM
Sarah mentioned that she was using the old style calendar at the beginning.  However, I totally forgot that later on.  I was wondering why events seemed to be happening more than a week too soon.  Then I remembered.  :)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 05, 2011, 12:06:46 PM
I've got a spiffy new interview up with Nice Girls Read Books today. Both of us had to dig a little deeper to keep this Q&A from duplicating the previous two, and IMO the results are worth the effort:

http://nicegirlsreadbooks.com/interview-with-sarah-miller/ (http://nicegirlsreadbooks.com/interview-with-sarah-miller/)

This one gets more in-depth about creating four different voices, and finding a way to make the end of the story bearable.
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Post by: Sunny on July 05, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
This rassures me. I mean, i'm not the last one thinking such things when i write... like you, i want the thing i write to be precise, and i want my carachters to have a personal end. Well, i'm not gfinding the suitable words in english, but i'm sure you've understood me, Sarushka.
Reading this interview i was moved. Because it is the first time a read such an interview to a young writer like i would like to be.
Well... thank you *wipes away some tears*
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 05, 2011, 03:24:16 PM
What a great interview, Sarushka! It really makes me look at the Lost Crown with new eyes - even though I knew the story for a long time of OTMA, the simple fact that you could determine their characters from so little - only photographs and letters - is amazing (or at least what you thought the characters would be like).

I really enjoyed reading it.
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Post by: TimM on July 05, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
That's a nice picture of you, Sarah.
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Post by: Laura Mabee on July 06, 2011, 04:47:06 PM
Speaking of interviews, I just realized that I never posted our interview Sarushka!

Check out Sarah's interview for Frozentears.org here.  (http://www.frozentears.org/Pages/Sarah.html)
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Post by: Joyann1 on July 06, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
I ordered the book yesterday, can't wait.
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Post by: TimM on July 06, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
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Speaking of interviews, I just realized that I never posted our interview Sarushka!

Check out Sarah's interview for Frozentears.org here.


I just did.  I liked it, nicely done Laura.

I remember that episode of Unsolved Mysteries that Sarah mentions, it aired in the late 80's or early 90's, if memory serves me. 
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 07, 2011, 11:30:15 AM
Great interview, Sarushka!!! I enjoyed it immensely. About what you said about posting the Easter parts and other "discarded" (in a sense) sections on your website - I think it is a sensational idea. I'd read them, to be sure! ;)

PS - Laura, greatest compliments on your site. Along with Ally's, it's my favorite (so far, at least ;))!!
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Post by: RHB on July 07, 2011, 07:26:51 PM
I got news that my copy came in... my grandfather is going to (is supposed to) get it tomorrow! Barnes and Nobles called yesterday and only about a half hour ago today did my grandmother remember to tell me! YAY MY COPY IS IN! Sorry got a bit carried away!  ;D
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Post by: TimM on July 07, 2011, 07:50:14 PM
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YAY MY COPY IS IN! Sorry got a bit carried away!
 

Trust me, you're gonna love it.  Sarah has written a great book.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 07, 2011, 11:24:26 PM
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YAY MY COPY IS IN! Sorry got a bit carried away!
 

Trust me, you're gonna love it.  Sarah has written a great book.

I second that!!!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 08, 2011, 10:58:24 AM
Great interview, Sarushka!!! I enjoyed it immensely. About what you said about posting the Easter parts and other "discarded" (in a sense) sections on your website - I think it is a sensational idea. I'd read them, to be sure! ;)

=) Please??? =)
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on July 08, 2011, 01:23:43 PM
Pretty please, with sugar on top?
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Post by: RHB on July 08, 2011, 05:11:24 PM
Already on Chapter 8 and enjoying it... haven't put it down until now since i got it! Amazing, amazing work! I have to put some groceries away... and then yes right back to it!  ;D
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Post by: TimM on July 08, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Wow, that was fast!
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Post by: Sarushka on July 08, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
About what you said about posting the Easter parts and other "discarded" (in a sense) sections on your website - I think it is a sensational idea. I'd read them, to be sure! ;)

I will see what I can do in my next website update.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 08, 2011, 10:22:11 PM
Thanks, Sarushka . . . You're the best!  :)
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Post by: TimM on July 10, 2011, 02:21:09 AM
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I will see what I can do in my next website update

Okay, Sarah, I look forward to it.
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Post by: Gorseheart on July 15, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
Congrats Sarah!
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Post by: Sarushka on July 15, 2011, 07:47:41 AM
Thanks, RHB and Gorseheart.

Olga & Tim --
I'm in the process of redesigning my entire website. The bulk of the work is done, and I have a beta version (http://www.sarahmillerbooks.com/beta/Welcome.html) up now. Next I'll start on adding those extras. In the meantime, you might enjoy a peek at the Revision Gallery (http://www.sarahmillerbooks.com/beta/Revision_Gallery.html).
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 15, 2011, 11:49:17 AM
Sarushka, I love it! It's awesome! Congratulations, by the way - you now have the best author's website I've ever seen (not to say your old one wasn't good, but I like this one better)!
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Post by: TimM on July 15, 2011, 01:03:36 PM
Looks good, Sarah.
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Post by: historyfan on July 15, 2011, 08:40:44 PM
Sarushka, I love it! It's awesome! Congratulations, by the way - you now have the best author's website I've ever seen (not to say your old one wasn't good, but I like this one better)!

I have to agree.  Strongly.  And, btw...where, oh where did you get your "Pigeon" t-shirt??  My son is a huge "Pigeon" fan!  lol!
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Post by: Sarushka on July 15, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
And, btw...where, oh where did you get your "Pigeon" t-shirt??  My son is a huge "Pigeon" fan!  lol!


Here! (http://www.wonder-shirts.com/shop/category_5/Mo-Willems.html?shop_param=cid%3D7%26)
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 15, 2011, 11:01:24 PM
The site looks fabulous....congratulations. Nice to see your hard work paying off !
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 16, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
Nice to see your hard work paying off !

Yes, I agree!!!

Also - has everybody posting gotton past Chapter 3 in the Lost Crown? I'd like to post one of the paragraphs, but I don't want to spoil anyone's reading . . .  :-\
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Post by: historyfan on July 16, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
And, btw...where, oh where did you get your "Pigeon" t-shirt??  My son is a huge "Pigeon" fan!  lol!


Here! (http://www.wonder-shirts.com/shop/category_5/Mo-Willems.html?shop_param=cid%3D7%26)

Thanks!  : )
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 17, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
Sarah, why do you say OTMA's education was lackluster? I'm not saying that may not be true, I don't know, I just haven't heard that before.
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Post by: RHB on July 17, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Hmmm... hey Sarah, have you ever thought of making Lost Crown a movie?  :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 17, 2011, 06:29:18 PM
lol I dare say that has crossed Sarah's mind. =)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 17, 2011, 11:06:54 PM
lol I dare say that has crossed Sarah's mind. =)

Yup . . . Many times!  ;)
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Post by: RHB on July 17, 2011, 11:58:50 PM
Almost to the end shortly after OTAA and them have entered Ekaterinberg! But I think a movie would be a most excellent idea! It's that good of a book hence why i state this! All the other Romanov movies always paint OTMA as wallpaper... Lost Crown would have to have them centerstage and main characters because Lost Crown is about them!  ;D
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Post by: TimM on July 18, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
Let me add my voice to those that say this would make a great movie.
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Post by: RHB on July 18, 2011, 03:56:52 PM
Then welcome aboard Tim... hmm i wonder what Sarah will think and say when she sees the thread!  :)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 18, 2011, 10:13:16 PM
After all the movies that have already been made about NAOTMAA, I'd be thoroughly surprised to see The Lost Crown make the big screen.


Sarah, why do you say OTMA's education was lackluster? I'm not saying that may not be true, I don't know, I just haven't heard that before.

I will have to look that up. It *might* have been discussed in Helen Rappaport's book but I'm not sure -- possibly it's a cumulative impression I gathered from the courtiers' memoirs  and the few samples of the girls' schoolwork I've seen in books like HSP.
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Post by: RHB on July 18, 2011, 10:18:13 PM
But you'll think about it right... i mean from what i can see (not just my opinion of course) it's a really good book! I think it's something movie makeable! Did that last part make sense?   :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 18, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
Today I don't see it on  the big screen unless it's animated! lol! That seems the hot thing now . But it would be great as TV series....like A and E etc. use to do. The story needs  such scope( time)  imo.. I still haven't  read it...so many images fill my brain in a page or two that  I have to stop ...but then  I am someone who thinks  Alex's last diary is image filled! ...so you can see the problem! lol! However  I can still attest to the fact, ithat it is a great book. That's basically what I'm trying to say
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Post by: RHB on July 18, 2011, 10:27:33 PM
Okay maybe not big screen like movie theaters and such but perhaps made for tv-movie or miniseries like Anne Frank: The whole story! I'm only giving Anne Frank as an example by the way!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 18, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
I don't know . . . (I'm just giving this as an example) Pride & Prejudice 2005 is an awesome movie, IMO, but they had to change some of the parts from the book (yes, I've read the book). Maybe The Lost Crown could be a movie, but they'd have to change some of the parts, and maybe pep up the pace a bit, and you could have an awesome motion picture!

But honestly, I love the book. It's at least one of my top 5 favorites (if not my favorite, of course). I love it. Sarushka, any parts they'd have to leave out of a potential movie would be their loss!  ;)
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on July 19, 2011, 12:36:21 PM
Can you just imagine the cinemas if The Lost Crown was filmed? There would be romanov fans sat on the floors just so they could see it LOL!
But you know what they say, the books are nearly always better than the films. So if The Lost Crown was made into a movie, which would be great, I don't think it would match up to the novel IMO.
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Post by: Helen_Azar on July 19, 2011, 03:15:40 PM
I am almost done with the book. Planned on finishing it on July 17th but life got in the way. I am really really enjoying it, well done, Sarah!
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Post by: RHB on July 19, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
I JUST finished like a minute or two ago... i made myself take it easy instead of just sitting for hours on end!  :)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on July 19, 2011, 03:54:34 PM
As far as a making a movie out of it, I think it would be tricky since the chapters are written from the first person perspective of each girl, which is one of the book's main appeals, IMO, and it would be kind of difficult if not impossible to recreate that"intimacy" in a film. Some books are better left as books and they just don't translate well into movies. I personally prefer books to movies any day!
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Post by: Alixz on July 19, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
Me, too.
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on July 19, 2011, 07:24:36 PM
I JUST finished like a minute or two ago... i made myself take it easy instead of just sitting for hours on end!  :)
I pretty much devoured it whole, then went back and picked up the finer points!  :)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 19, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
What I did:
I got it Monday
Finished it Tuesday
Started again on the same Tuesday
Finished it again on that Thursday

Yes, I read it twice in 4 days! The funny thing was: it was just as good the 2nd time, even after just reading it!
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Post by: historyfan on July 19, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
I personally prefer books to movies any day!

So do I.  : )  I find that movies butcher the books they're supposed to be based on, anyway.  We don't want that to happen to OTMA and Sarah.  ; )
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Post by: RHB on July 19, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
That is true!
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Post by: Sarushka on July 19, 2011, 09:45:41 PM
Deleted scenes are now live -- scroll to the bottom of the revision gallery (http://www.sarahmillerbooks.com/beta/Revision_Gallery.html) to browse them.
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Post by: RHB on July 19, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
I just read them... very interesting!
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Post by: koloagirl on July 20, 2011, 02:03:46 AM

Aloha!

Mahalo "Sarushka" for those deleted scenes - wonderful little "extra" for all of us!

And yes, I'm on my 2nd read-thru as well!

Janet R.
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Post by: RHB on July 20, 2011, 02:20:35 AM
I'll be on my 2nd soon!  ;D
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 20, 2011, 08:49:11 AM
How awesome! Thank you so much, Sarushka!
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Post by: TimM on July 20, 2011, 12:02:06 PM
Thanks for sharing them, Sarah.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 20, 2011, 06:15:29 PM
I think that The Lost Crown would make a great movie! Nothing could ever beat the book, but I think that even though many movies have been done about the Romanovs, it would be really nice to have a movie that is not so much about the Romanovs, just four sisters, their trials and tribulations, their joys and sorrows. It would be sort of hard to put the alternating chapters into a movie, but I don't think it would be impossible!
Great deleted chapters! They're very short--were they going to be longer? It was wierd, I had this song that is of that piece of scripture in Tatiana's May, 1918 deleted chapter put to music stuck in my head while I was reading those, and then I cam upon that! It was creepy but nice!
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Post by: TimM on July 20, 2011, 07:30:54 PM
Sarah, have you considered trying to get a movie made? 
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Post by: Sunny on July 21, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
Well, it would be wonderful!
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 21, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
imo, the format could be somewhat  retained...I think episodes with the diffrent GD as the focus could be very interesting in a series. To me the biggest stumbling blocks would be , not the great story and this excellent book....but such things as  production costs etc. It's one of the reason animation is so popular....the " location" and "extras"  are a computer!  But the important point is , a fine script has been written and is in the book ....waiting =)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 21, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Sarah, have you considered trying to get a movie made? 

Not really. I don't know a thing about "translating" a book into a film and wouldn't have the slightest idea where/how to begin.

What I'm hoping for is an audiobook with four different narrators.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 21, 2011, 10:36:35 AM
What I'm hoping for is an audiobook with four different narrators.
That would be wonderful!!!
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Post by: Sunny on July 21, 2011, 11:54:29 AM
I'm a bit OT, but - Sarah, are there also cut off scenes from "Miss Spitfire"? 'cuase i'm reading it and enjoying it SO MUCH, and i'm really curious to know about it.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 21, 2011, 03:03:14 PM
What I'm hoping for is an audiobook with four different narrators.

Yes, that would be awesome!
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 21, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
What I'm hoping for is an audiobook with four different narrators.
that would be great
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Post by: historyfan on July 21, 2011, 08:19:38 PM
Sarah, have you considered trying to get a movie made? 

Not really. I don't know a thing about "translating" a book into a film and wouldn't have the slightest idea where/how to begin.

What I'm hoping for is an audiobook with four different narrators.

Does your agent negotiate for stuff like that, also?
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Post by: Sarushka on July 22, 2011, 09:52:06 AM
I'm a bit OT, but - Sarah, are there also cut off scenes from "Miss Spitfire"? 'cuase i'm reading it and enjoying it SO MUCH, and i'm really curious to know about it.

With Miss Spitfire, revision was more a process of addition than deletion. There were a few pages that were cut, but it would be hard for me to find them now -- I've donated my manuscripts to the children's literature collection at my university.
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Post by: Sunny on July 22, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
I'm a bit OT, but - Sarah, are there also cut off scenes from "Miss Spitfire"? 'cuase i'm reading it and enjoying it SO MUCH, and i'm really curious to know about it.

With Miss Spitfire, revision was more a process of addition than deletion. There were a few pages that were cut, but it would be hard for me to find them now -- I've donated my manuscripts to the children's literature collection at my university.

Thanks - it was just curiosity ^^
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 23, 2011, 08:44:39 PM
Hey, Sarushka, do you have to have an agent to get a book published? Like, is it a necessity? (Just curious-I'm interested!)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 23, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
Hey, Sarushka, do you have to have an agent to get a book published? Like, is it a necessity? (Just curious-I'm interested!)

It's possible to get published without an agent, but it's usually MUCH more challenging.

If you'd like more information on publishing for children/YA, I recommend perusing Verla Kay's message board (http://www.verlakay.com/boards/index.php). (I'm virtually no help when it comes to adult publishing.)
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 23, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
Usually in order to make a movie, someone comes to the writer or whoever owns the copyright to ask for the film rights. Writers don't usually arrange to have a movie made themselves, unless they're Stephen King and just write a screenplay straight off.  ;)

I'd love an audiobook with four different narrators! It'd be even better if voice actors were hired for everyone's individual voices, like Nicholas's, Alexandra's, Aleksey's...but of course that's too awesome to happen.
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Post by: Sunny on July 24, 2011, 03:16:19 AM
It's possible to get published without an agent, but it's usually MUCH more challenging.

Don't know by you, but here, even if you manage to convince an agent to publish you (or to work to make you been published) you first have to PAY the agent. So, in the end, if you want to be published, you MUST PAY A LOT OF MONEY!!!
It seems here publishing it's only for rich people!
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 24, 2011, 01:48:36 PM
An audio drama would be cool!  :)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 24, 2011, 03:57:40 PM
It's possible to get published without an agent, but it's usually MUCH more challenging.

Don't know by you, but here, even if you manage to convince an agent to publish you (or to work to make you been published) you first have to PAY the agent. So, in the end, if you want to be published, you MUST PAY A LOT OF MONEY!!!
It seems here publishing it's only for rich people!

Do you have to pay the publisher, too?
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Post by: Robert_Hall on July 24, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
You could self publish. meaning you pay for it all; the print, the marketing and such. Otherwise,  seek  out  folks like Arturo or Paul Gilbert to assist.
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 24, 2011, 04:30:41 PM
  Correct, Robert, re "self publish."  If I'm not mistaken, these would be the so-called "Vanity Press" publications, and quite obviously, one has to agree to a specific number of copies to be printed at the initial run, absorbing ALL the involved costs!  
  If you can't sell them, then you are stuck with boxes of copies (unless one wishes to give VERY personalized holiday presents). An expensive alternative indeed!                                                          Regards,  AP.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 24, 2011, 06:25:20 PM
Aleksandr or Sarushka - if you were to get a book published by a well-known publisher, how much would you have to pay them (or would they pay you for the manuscript)?
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 24, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
Sorry! I haven't the foggiest idea. Without specifics, I should think that there are too many variables to attempt an answer, at least on my part.  Regards,  AP.
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Post by: Suzanne on July 24, 2011, 06:40:03 PM
Hi Sarah,

Just finished reading the Lost Crown I think it's one of the best works of historical fiction concerning the Romanovs. (Tied with Janet Ashton's "The German Woman") I was really impressed by the depth of your research and how you manage to create four distinct voices for the Grand Duchesses. In my opinion, one of the best elements of this book was the way you portrayed the Grand Duchesses making decisions - deciding as a group how to care for Alexandra and Alexei, which sister would go Ekaterinberg first etc. There are too many accounts of the last Romanovs that portray the girls as "the children" and do not pay enough attention to their agency as individuals from 1917-1918. I also thought you sucessfully avoided both the tendency to portray OTMA as overly angelic and exaggerated accounts of extreme tension within the family and presented a balanced account of relationships between the sisters. I'm eagerly looking forward to your next book.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 24, 2011, 06:44:35 PM
Hi Sarah,

Just finished reading the Lost Crown I think it's one of the best works of historical fiction concerning the Romanovs. (Tied with Janet Ashton's "The German Woman") I was really impressed by the depth of your research and how you manage to create four distinct voices for the Grand Duchesses. In my opinion, one of the best elements of this book was the way you portrayed the Grand Duchesses making decisions - deciding as a group how to care for Alexandra and Alexei, which sister would go Ekaterinberg first etc. There are too many accounts of the last Romanovs that portray the girls as "the children" and do not pay enough attention to their agency as individuals from 1917-1918. I also thought you sucessfully avoided both the tendency to portray OTMA as overly angelic and exaggerated accounts of extreme tension within the family and presented a balanced account of relationships between the sisters. I'm eagerly looking forward to your next book.

What a lovely description, Suzanne. I think all of this on this Forum are eagerly awaiting her next book!

Sorry! I haven't the foggiest idea. Without specifics, I should think that there are too many variables to attempt an answer, at least on my part.  Regards,  AP.

That's fine, aleksandr-I just thought if you knew of the self-publishing, you would know of "real" publishing. But that's okay - I don't know the answer either  ;)
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Post by: Sarushka on July 24, 2011, 10:33:12 PM
I also thought you sucessfully avoided both the tendency to portray OTMA as overly angelic and exaggerated accounts of extreme tension within the family and presented a balanced account of relationships between the sisters.

Thank you very much, Suzanne. That's pretty much exactly the effect I was aiming for.


Aleksandr or Sarushka - if you were to get a book published by a well-known publisher, how much would you have to pay them (or would they pay you for the manuscript)?

They pay you. Similarly, a reputable agent will never charge you any reading fee, and will not collect any commission until he/she makes a sale on your behalf.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 24, 2011, 10:35:50 PM
I'd love an audiobook with four different narrators! It'd be even better if voice actors were hired for everyone's individual voices, like Nicholas's, Alexandra's, Aleksey's...but of course that's too awesome to happen.

It does happen sometimes! There's a company called Full Cast Audio (http://www.fullcastaudio.com/) which specializes in exactly that kind of recording.
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Post by: Sunny on July 25, 2011, 12:22:34 AM
They pay you. Similarly, a reputable agent will never charge you any reading fee, and will not collect any commission until he/she makes a sale on your behalf.

It seems in the USA it's easier than here... ::)
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Post by: Alixz on July 25, 2011, 08:45:38 AM
Just a short note on book publication.

It can take a very long time to get an "unsolicited" manuscript to an editor to have it read.  My co-author and I didn't have an agent, but we did have a connection who got our manuscript to Dell Publications. 

The manuscript was read twice by the editor and once by his assistant.  The editor got it and the assistant didn't (she didn't understand the point of the story at all).  It was returned to us for editing and changes, but what was wanted was never made clear.  We did some work and sent it back to the Editor, but it sat for a long time and we eventually requested to have it sent back.

That was almost 25 years ago.  We still have the manuscript but have never done more about publishing it.  I believe that the editor we dealt with is no longer with Dell, so if we had the stamina we could begin again, but neither of us does.  In fact, I haven't even seen or spoken to my co-author for over 15 years, I don't know where she is.

This past year, I decided to hire a lawyer who deals in intellectual property so that I could do some work on the manuscript and not have all of my effort benefit my co-author who, it would seem, doesn't care anymore.  I am sure, though, that she would care if any money was made from the manuscript whether she worked on it or not.  So far, I haven't gone any further with the project.

If a publishing house likes your manuscript and decides to publish it, they will pay YOU.  But you may need "the usual folks" to proof read and fact check (if it is non fiction) and it is probably a good thing to have an agent who will take a percentage of the profits for payment for the services that an agent provides.

It would be great not to have to pay an agent, but "unsolicited" manuscripts sit in large bins in the offices of editors all over the world and if yours is in that bunch, it may never get read at all.  Fiction is probably the hardest to get published but I have a non fiction manuscript (in addition to the historical fiction that Dell saw) that I have never submitted, so I truly can't say.
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Post by: Sunny on July 25, 2011, 08:58:10 AM
It would be great not to have to pay an agent, but "unsolicited" manuscripts sit in large bins in the offices of editors all over the world and if yours is in that bunch, it may never get read at all.  Fiction is probably the hardest to get published but I have a non fiction manuscript (in addition to the historical fiction that Dell saw) that I have never submitted, so I truly can't say.

Like always, you have managed to say what i wanted to but didn't manage, Alixz, so thanks again.
This is exactly how it work here: getting published here is very difficult unless
1) You have a strong connection to an editor or someone who works in the field of editing = that means they RECCOMEND you (call it nepotism, if you want. I call it MAFIA!)

2) You pay an editor = here is very expensive, and, for an example, i earn ca. 500 us dollars a month, so i couldn't effort it.

I know for sure because my best friend tried to publish her novel; she is braver than me and started the battle. She has'nt won yet.
But for me this topic was just to chat a bit!
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Post by: Alixz on July 25, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
But then there is always the case of those few manuscripts that are rejected and rejected but the author keeps trying and 26 tries later "Jaws"  is published and Peter Benchley is a household word.

So one never knows.
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Post by: Sunny on July 25, 2011, 11:16:48 AM
But then there is always the case of those few manuscripts that are rejected and rejected but the author keeps trying and 26 tries later "Jaws"  is published and Peter Benchley is a household word.

So one never knows.

That's right - and that's what i repeat to myself daily: keep trying!  ;)
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Post by: TimM on July 25, 2011, 11:35:09 AM
Man, that sucks.  It's hard enough to get published without having to fork over ever more money.
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Post by: Sunny on July 25, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
I have never tried yet, so mine are only specultations...
But i really think we ARE OT now :D
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 25, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
Aleksandr or Sarushka - if you were to get a book published by a well-known publisher, how much would you have to pay them (or would they pay you for the manuscript)?

They pay you. Similarly, a reputable agent will never charge you any reading fee, and will not collect any commission until he/she makes a sale on your behalf.

That's nice!
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 25, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
Alot of these difficulties will change when an  author can have people down load their works for a fee on to their  e readers. So get writting one and all  =)
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Post by: Alixz on July 26, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
I know this is terribly off topic but because we have been talking about publication, I got out that old rejection letter and, believe me, it hurt just as much to read it today as it did the first time.

Here is a small quote:

With all apologies I am returning ...............  It was read by one of our resident historical romance experts, who found the idea for the novel, "quite good" and aspects of the story "touching", but she also, unfortunately, feels that the pacing is much too slow and that overall the story is too tame to sell in the Historical Romance market.

I'm sorry your manuscript languished in my office as long as it did; it and I seemed to have gotten buried for a while.

Thank you for sending this to us, and I hope you'll keep trying.  You show real potential.


In another letter this was said:

(     ) Production Manager, discussed the manuscript with Dell's Editor in Chief, (          ), who felt the manuscript was worthwhile and had given it two readings.

I would suggest the manuscript be submitted to Pocket Books (Simon & Schuster), New American Library, Ballantine Books and Bantam.

Some best sellers have made the rounds to several publishers before being accepted.


The problem was that no suggestions were given to improve the "pacing" or make the novel less "tame".  We tried our best, but the second time we submitted it it never had another reading.



All of this happened between February 1983 and March 1984.  As I said a very long time ago in a very different world.
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 26, 2011, 02:31:52 PM
I knew it was a long ago before I read the 1984 date because it was so nice and though and someone actually read it , said they were sorry it took so long and had suggestions about where to place it???!!

WOW ....Message from another world as you say   These are actually a very encouraging letters imo.  ..but if I was the author I might fell differently. 
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Post by: Sunny on July 26, 2011, 02:41:49 PM
@ Alixz: well, since i'm reading an historical romance, too, this is quite upsetting O_o
Not because i believe no more historical romance will be accepted - but because i've never tried to publish just because i AM AFRAID to receive an answer like that (not the first, the second... silence in this case is the worst thing...)
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 26, 2011, 02:49:15 PM
One has to get where the pain doesn't stop you ...you just keep going.....it actually hurts less if you do. .... simply  the opinion of an old campaigner.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 26, 2011, 04:40:27 PM
Those are indeed VERY encouraging letters. Editors simply do not use words like "real potential" and "worthwhile" if they don't mean it -- that's what form rejections are for. I've also never seen an editor suggest an alternate publisher.

There comes a point when the difference between acceptance and rejection is only a matter of individual taste, and IMO, your manuscript may have been there. The more widely you submit, the easier it becomes to gauge whether the negative reactions it receives are due to taste or an actual flaw in the manuscript.


The problem was that no suggestions were given to improve the "pacing" or make the novel less "tame".  

In my experience it's very rare for editors to offer specific suggestions for solving the problems in a manuscript. For one thing, they don't have the time to invest that kind of attention in something they ultimately may or may not buy. Revision is a critical skill, and a great many wannabe authors are unwilling or unable to revise satisfactorily. So it's not uncommon for an editor to offer this kind of general reaction and then sit back and see what you're capable of.


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We tried our best, but the second time we submitted it it never had another reading.

Did the editors invite you to resubmit? Some do, some don't. Lack of a second reading doesn't necessarily mean your attempt at revision failed -- it might just mean they weren't interested in pursuing the project further.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 26, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Sarushka, did you have to try a few different publishers before you finally settled on Athenum? (Excuse the spelling please - if it's not right, my apologies)
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Post by: TimM on July 26, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Usually all you get are form letters that tell you nothing.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 26, 2011, 08:55:57 PM
Sarushka, did you have to try a few different publishers before you finally settled on Athenum? (Excuse the spelling please - if it's not right, my apologies)

With Miss Spitfire, yes. My agent initially submitted to three different publishers. Within six weeks, we had three different answers: no, maybe, and yes. (Prior to that I had  submitted to two publishers on my own and was rejected by both.)

My contract gave Atheneum right of first refusal on my next work, so my agent did not have to shop The Lost Crown -- Atheneum bought it based on a 16-chapter sample.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on July 26, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
So what if you didn't right another book? Is there something in your contract that says that you have to write two or three books?

If this is too off topic, tell me and I'll stop =D But it is techincally about The Lost Crown - or your experiences with it
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Post by: Sarushka on July 26, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
So what if you didn't right another book? Is there something in your contract that says that you have to write two or three books?

Nope. All it said was that if I wrote another one, they'd have first dibs.
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 26, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Thank you for those illuminating  answers  Sarushka . What strikes me is where you are today happened brick by brick, success built upon success and fueled by incredibly hard work ...and that is how it is done really ... there are steps,  and rarely does one get to fly over them. 
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Post by: Sunny on July 27, 2011, 12:48:00 AM
Thank you for those illuminating  answers  Sarushka . What strikes me is where you are today happened brick by brick, success built upon success and fueled by incredibly hard work ...and that is how it is done really ... there are steps,  and rarely does one get to fly over them. 

Well said, annie!
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Post by: Sarushka on July 27, 2011, 07:35:26 AM
What strikes me is where you are today happened brick by brick, success built upon success and fueled by incredibly hard work ...and that is how it is done really ... there are steps,  and rarely does one get to fly over them. 

That's absolutely true. And my success was actually rather fast. Unless someone asks me outright, I don't talk about the number of publishers who rejected me because it's just not typical. From the get-go I was receiving personalized rejection letters similar to Alixz's, which are a form of success all by themselves. (Some authors refer to that kind of letter as a "champagne rejection.")
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Post by: blessOTMA on July 27, 2011, 07:52:27 AM
I don't talk about the number of publishers who rejected me because it's just not typical.
It doesn't surprise me and you are wise.
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(Some authors refer to that kind of letter as a "champagne rejection.")
lol I'll remember that one!
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which are a form of success all by themselves.
They really are....and it's vital  not to disregard a" brick " , a small success like a  "champagne rejection." ...because every brick is necessary  when building  a career.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Alixz on July 27, 2011, 08:10:25 AM
Sarushka,

Thank you.  I thought about where this thread was going and had decided to apologize for taking it any further in that direction.  I felt as if I was hijacking your thread and the tribute to the work you have done.

You are very kind.  Of course there is more to my letters than what I put.  Actually the two letters are from two different people and that is why one has the referrals.

The hard part is the review of the book which also came to us because we had a "contact".  The Editor in Chief truly did like it,but as I said before the historical romance "expert" missed the point completely and her words were actually (in type) much harder to take.  We thought at the time that she was inept, but in thinking back, if she didn't "get it" then perhaps that was a good reason for rejection.  Maybe readers wouldn't "get it" either.

Having done all the research in libraries (before the Internet) and typed the 'script on a Smith-Corona Correctable (with carbons, no less), I have often thought about working it over on Microsoft Word.

But having to hire an attorney to represent my intellectual property rights and not knowing where my co-author is after 15 years keeps me putting it off.

The old adage of rewrite, rewrite, rewrite and revise, revise, revise still echos and I know that much could be done with it.  I have a good manuscript program now and a good spelling-grammar check added to it.

I actually began on Chapter 1 and discovered that so much did have to be changed.  More experience in reading the good and the bad and the ugly books that end up in libraries and a perspective from a different age makes one see things so much differently.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 27, 2011, 11:01:47 AM
 The Editor in Chief truly did like it,but as I said before the historical romance "expert" missed the point completely and her words were actually (in type) much harder to take.  We thought at the time that she was inept, but in thinking back, if she didn't "get it" then perhaps that was a good reason for rejection.  Maybe readers wouldn't "get it" either.

There are always going to be people -- editors, readers, critics -- who don't get it. That doesn't necessarily mean the book is good or bad, or that the person is right or wrong. This business is a lot more subjective than most people realize, and there's a large element of luck involved.

Again, for a bit of perspective remember that Miss Spitfire got three completely different responses from three different publishers: No, Maybe, and Yes. If my agent told me the reason for the no, I've forgotten it. The folks who said maybe wanted some revisions that I didn't agree with. The guy who said yes was so taken with the manuscript that he went right to the library and checked out Helen Keller's autobiography to continue fueling his interest in the story -- just as I did after seeing The Miracle Worker on stage. He wanted some revisions, too, but they were changes that I immediately knew how to implement, and made me excited for the chance to enhance the story. My agent didn't know beforehand that Justin would fall for Annie and Helen -- it was luck. And the other two editors weren't wrong -- they just didn't share my vision for the story the way Justin did.

Another thing to keep in mind is that an editor has to be so smitten with your manuscript that they're willing to invest tens of thousands of dollars and 2-3 years of work on it. Of all the books you've read and genuinely enjoyed, how many have resonated THAT deeply with you? Your writing can be top-notch, yet you may get rejected until you find an editor who feels a strong connection to your work.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Alixz on July 27, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
Because I had a co-author, I had even more subjective reasons to deal with.  She was so sure that Dell was the place to go that she had no intention of submitting the manuscript anywhere else.  The "contact" was hers.  I thought she knew what she was doing and her writing, at the time, was so much better than mine, I went along for the ride.

Your example of Miss Spitfire and the three opinions have helped me, in retrospect, to see what I had missed before.  We should never have stopped trying and revising. Our vision was our vision and we should not have bought into the vision of others unless we could live with it and not compromise the integrity of our story.

It is interesting now that I have begun to revise using the manuscript program and also, of course, Microsoft Word to see that her writing was not all that much better than mine.  Our styles meshed enough that I sometimes now can't figure out who wrote what chapter and with spell check in place, I find that her spelling was no better than mine even though she always ragged me about it.

As to those books which have stayed with me.  I find that an interesting idea.  With the Internet, I have begun to look for books that I read years ago and somehow always remembered and wished that I had bought.

Many of them still hit me in the right place, but others I have to ask myself why?

One of the first I looked for was The Last Grand Duchess by Vorres. Not because he wrote well (I don't think he did) but because of the subject matter.  So the subject matter has to resonate with the publisher and also has to fit a popular genre that they feel they can make a buck off of.

I won't read romance novels because the plots are all the same and there is no suspense in finding out the ending.  They are all the same just set in different time periods.  I mentioned this once before in another thread.  I absolutely hate the strong minded independent woman who falls for the mysterious estate owner (or some such) feels rejected by his indifference but then finds out that he truly loves her.  Or he marries her and leaves her with child and then disappears for years while she makes do without him.  And on and on and on.

But again, I want to return this thread to you and your newly published book.  Kudos to you for doing what so many of us have always wished we could do.

Thanks again.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 27, 2011, 06:55:37 PM

There are always going to be people -- editors, readers, critics -- who don't get it. That doesn't necessarily mean the book is good or bad, or that the person is right or wrong. This business is a lot more subjective than most people realize

Just to drive the point home, here's a blog post with concrete examples of just how maddeningly conflicting reader reactions can be:
http://sarahmillerbooks.blogspot.com/2011/06/self-googling-agony-and-ecstasy.html (http://sarahmillerbooks.blogspot.com/2011/06/self-googling-agony-and-ecstasy.html)



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Your writing can be top-notch, yet you may get rejected until you find an editor who feels a strong connection to your work.

To clarify, I don't mean to suggest that you should blow off ALL negative feedback until you find your editorial equivalent of Prince Charming. If your manuscript gets the same reaction from two or three different editors, it's time to think seriously about what you might be able to change in order to steer a greater majority of your audience toward a more desirable response.
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Post by: Sarushka on July 27, 2011, 06:57:08 PM

Your example of Miss Spitfire and the three opinions have helped me, in retrospect, to see what I had missed before.  We should never have stopped trying and revising. Our vision was our vision and we should not have bought into the vision of others unless we could live with it and not compromise the integrity of our story.

BINGO.


But again, I want to return this thread to you and your newly published book.  Kudos to you for doing what so many of us have always wished we could do.

Thanks, and I hope it's been a productive detour.

(I think we were posting at the same time.)
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Post by: Alixz on July 27, 2011, 07:25:49 PM
Just one more question.  Why young adult books?  What made that a fascinating and interesting genre for you to pursue?

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Post by: blessOTMA on July 27, 2011, 08:14:55 PM
Alixz  I want to say since I last read of your adventures in publishing, it seems to me you have started moving forward and I want to congratulate  you on that...any step forward  is wondrous...and Sarushka  you really helped  Alixz get further unstuck .

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We should never have stopped trying and revising. Our vision was our vision and we should not have bought into the vision of others unless we could live with it and not compromise the integrity of our story.

Every creative person should have that as a banner to hang in their work space !
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Post by: Carisbrooke on July 28, 2011, 07:11:35 AM
   After reading Sarah's blogspot I'm apprehensive of posting anything at all.  :) Just to say I too thought an identification of each Grand Duchess at the top of every page would have been a good idea. A small OTM or A logo would suffice as previously suggested. I'm still not convinced by the cover too as it may send out the wrong vibes. A bookstore may very well file this work in the bored housewife section & that's a shame.
        As to the contents I thought it was 1st class, & I was entertained throughout. The ending we all know too well, though I did not expect to get so emotional when the family split up in Tobolsk. Was there a tear in my eye then, .....surely not.  :( By the time the end did come it was a sad occasion indeed as the girls speak for the very last time. To overcome this event I find the trick is to start the book again, &  they live once more.
                                     
                                          Well done Sarah
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Post by: EmmyLee on July 28, 2011, 12:42:45 PM
I finally read the book, having suggested it to the library I work at. I knew from reading Sarah's posts here on the forum the last few years that she would do an excellent job with her book, and she really did. By having the story told in the voices of all four of the girls, I really grew attached to each one. I pretty much dreaded the end, already knowing how it would end. I was rather relieved that Sarah chose not to continue using the girls' voices for telling about the murder, because I thought that that would just be too much. It's awful enough to read about it in 3rd person but in 1st person, reading the possible thoughts that went on through the ordeal, I didn't want to have to do that.

Sarah, you did a marvelous job bringing the girls to life for me. This would definitely have to be my favorite Romanov novel.
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Post by: Alixz on July 29, 2011, 09:26:11 AM
I don't think that bookstores would file this under "bored housewife" just because of the cover.  Bookstores (the big chains, anyway) are sent diagrams of where to set up sections of the store and an invoice of what genre the book should be filed under.  That is why the big chain stores always have everything in the same place if you go from store to store.

Smaller privately owned shops are, of course, different, but they too would know from the invoice what genre the book should be put with.

Even chain clothing stores - Old Navy - Fashion Bug - etc, get those diagrams from corporate.  Every store is set up with the merchandise in the same section and on the same racks as every other store of the same chain. I have a friend who manages one of these stores and those diagrams come in quite often.  Moving things around makes shoppers have to look for what they want and that might make them see something they hadn't seen before.

So when your favorite store "rearranges" its inventory to clean or change design - they are really just merchandising.  Getting you the shopper out of your straight path to find what you want and making you look around thus prompting you to perhaps buy something new or different.

In book stores, if Harry Potter is out with a new book then young adult will be front and center with a lot of young adult titles on the table or shelf that might not have been visible before.

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Post by: TimM on July 30, 2011, 02:06:00 AM
In the Chapters where I got my copy, it was in the Young Readers section.
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Post by: Carisbrooke on August 02, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
   OK Tim & Alix point proven, I'm wrong. I accept the book was not specificly designed with my age bracket in mind, and I may be out of step with the tastes of young adults. As far as front covers go, if the pretty girl format works then use it by all means. All I'm saying is there are lots of the same out there young adult & other genre, and I would hate to see it drown in a sea of pretty girls. I say again I like the book, I'm just not in love with the cover, however pretty it may be.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2011, 08:37:54 AM
Just received the book in after ordering it for our library.   :)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on August 03, 2011, 02:33:54 PM
I know this is terribly off topic but because we have been talking about publication, I got out that old rejection letter and, believe me, it hurt just as much to read it today as it did the first time.

Here is a small quote:

With all apologies I am returning ...............  It was read by one of our resident historical romance experts, who found the idea for the novel, "quite good" and aspects of the story "touching", but she also, unfortunately, feels that the pacing is much too slow and that overall the story is too tame to sell in the Historical Romance market.

I'm sorry your manuscript languished in my office as long as it did; it and I seemed to have gotten buried for a while.

Thank you for sending this to us, and I hope you'll keep trying.  You show real potential.


In another letter this was said:

(     ) Production Manager, discussed the manuscript with Dell's Editor in Chief, (          ), who felt the manuscript was worthwhile and had given it two readings.

I would suggest the manuscript be submitted to Pocket Books (Simon & Schuster), New American Library, Ballantine Books and Bantam.

Some best sellers have made the rounds to several publishers before being accepted.


The problem was that no suggestions were given to improve the "pacing" or make the novel less "tame".  We tried our best, but the second time we submitted it it never had another reading.


They always apologize for having it "languish" on their desks, don't they? LOL It seems to be standard in publishing! Now that I learning about the field from the author's side, that's like the first thing you notice :)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on August 03, 2011, 02:47:34 PM
 Correct, Robert, re "self publish."  If I'm not mistaken, these would be the so-called "Vanity Press" publications, and quite obviously, one has to agree to a specific number of copies to be printed at the initial run, absorbing ALL the involved costs!  
  If you can't sell them, then you are stuck with boxes of copies (unless one wishes to give VERY personalized holiday presents). An expensive alternative indeed!                                                          Regards,  AP.

Also, unfortunately most libraries and book stores don't look that kindly on Vanity Press books... They are immediately suspicious of them, even if they may be good... The way they see it, the book much be a "reject" if no one else wanted to publish it but you yourself! It's unfair but that's how it is... I know that our library won't even except Vanity Press into our catalog, even when the authors offer us copies for free... I think the best way to go if you want to self publish may be ebook self publication. It's a lot cheaper from what I understand and you just get royalties as you go along... and you have the control you want, and don't need to get it into bookstores or libraries. And eventually it may be successful enough to get published for "real". I would be very careful about self publishing though...
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Post by: Helen_Azar on August 03, 2011, 02:54:32 PM

(Prior to that I had  submitted to two publishers on my own and was rejected by both.)

It almost seems like the publishers see your work in whole different light if you don't have an agent... Most big ones seem to prefer agents. I am not sure why that is, if they are getting the same manuscript! But it doesn't seem that easy to get an agent either, it has to be just the right fit for them otherwise they don't seem to want to be bothered.

One has to get where the pain doesn't stop you ...you just keep going.....it actually hurts less if you do. .... simply  the opinion of an old campaigner.


I don't take any of the rejections personally at all... It indeed is the opinion of whoever is reading it. Of course it may be harder when you write fiction as opposed to non-fiction... Fiction seems more personal and more of a reflection on yourself, whereas nonfiction is more a reflection of the subject you are writing about! At least that's the way I see it :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 03, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
I think agents are seen as a pre-sceening,  a  pre-filter...if the agent who works in the field has taken you on, you are more likely worth a look  in the publishers mind ... or so it seems.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 03, 2011, 05:41:54 PM
So the publishers just leave it to the agents to judge what should be published and what should not be... That just doesn't seem.. right...
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 04, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
So the publishers just leave it to the agents to judge what should be published and what should not be... That just doesn't seem.. right...

Yeah, I know, it doesn't . . . but I still have a LOT to learn about the publishing field!
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Post by: TimM on August 05, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
Well, I'm happy for Sarah.  She got her book published.
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 05, 2011, 06:23:11 AM
Indeed Tim, it's great...and Olga Bernice  Boyar, not to worry! The ebook  is changing everything so fast, that many , even those with long experience are in the same  place! 
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 05, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
Indeed Tim, it's great...and Olga Bernice  Boyar, not to worry! The ebook  is changing everything so fast, that many , even those with long experience are in the same  place! 

Well, that's a relief! =D

Well, I'm happy for Sarah.  She got her book published.

Oh, yes, I am too! I agree - she did get her book published, and it's probably going to introduce somebody to the Romanovs and change their lives!
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 05, 2011, 09:21:06 PM
I think it will bring many new people to the family...and the nice thing is they will know the true history  right off =)
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Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2011, 08:34:08 AM
So the publishers just leave it to the agents to judge what should be published and what should not be... That just doesn't seem.. right...

Not exactly. The thing is, so much of what's submitted to agents/editors is just plain unsaleable.

Over and over you'll see the discouraging statistic that only 3% of manuscripts ever get published. That may well be true, but I'm pretty sure that around 85% of what's submitted to agents/publishers is awful enough that it doesn't even merit serious consideration. And to be perfectly frank, you can usually tell the difference before you've finished the first paragraph. What agents do is filter out the 15% or so that's actually worthy of further attention.
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 06, 2011, 10:04:00 AM
.... What agents do is filter out the 15% or so that's actually worthy of further attention.
Exactly
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Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2011, 10:08:40 AM
Also, editors themselves don't wade through the slush piles -- that job gets delegated to interns and assistants. So there's almost always going to be a middleman, regardless of whether or not it's an agent.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 06, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
Thank you, Sarushka, for all your wonderful feedback, and if I get too off topic, tell me and I'll stop immeadiately =D

Also, editors themselves don't wade through the slush piles -- that job gets delegated to interns and assistants. So there's almost always going to be a middleman, regardless of whether or not it's an agent.

Do the editors normally hire interns and assisstants that have the same writing views and opinions? Since the intern might read a story and LOVE it, but give it to the editor and he despises it? Then nothing gets published . . . that is, unless they can find a mutual agreement place. :-\
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Post by: Alixz on August 06, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Editors do have assistants.  That is how our book came to be liked by the editor (who read it twice) but not liked by his assistant who misunderstood the story.

In our case because we had a contact, the editor actually read it first and he read it twice thinking it was worth a second look, but the assistant read it only once and her comments were scathing.

Actually I guess he sent the manuscript to her in her position of head of the Romance Department and while the editor thought the story worthwhile, the department head said it wasn't racy enough or faced paced enough for her department to undertake publishing expenses.
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Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Do the editors normally hire interns and assisstants that have the same writing views and opinions?

I have no idea. No two people's tastes and opinions mesh exactly, so there's going to be need for compromise in any match-up.

If I were an editor I'd want an assistant/intern who can differentiate between her own personal taste and the quality of the writing itself. Someone who'd say to me, This is great writing but the story doesn't appeal to me. See what you think.


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Since the intern might read a story and LOVE it, but give it to the editor and he despises it? Then nothing gets published . . . that is, unless they can find a mutual agreement place. :-\

Yes, that can happen -- but remember, there's more than one editor in the world. ;^)

Also, even if an editor loves a book, it can get turned down. Most editors can't accept a manuscript without approval from their colleagues and/or supervisors at the publishing house. Editors take the manuscripts they like to a committee meeting and pitch them to their co-workers. I have no idea how many people have to be in favor for a manuscript to earn an offer, but there has to be a certain level of consensus. After all, it's the publisher's money, not the editor's.
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 06, 2011, 11:35:21 AM
Really lord knows what goes on today ...a friend recently was rejected by an editor at am important publishing house...I googled the name ...they are in charge of a professional musicians  society as well as being an" editor". lol  busy person I would say ...and the  perposal  got to them  in the first place via a contact  of course...So  your point is well taken...contacts  matter to get your foot in the door , and again an agent is one , .but no contact is a guarantee of course and that's true all along the way.
 
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: TimM on August 09, 2011, 02:03:29 AM
Getting published is not easy, I can tell you that.  I've tried, no luck so far.
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Post by: violetta on August 09, 2011, 02:16:04 AM
Getting published is not easy, I can tell you that.  I've tried, no luck so far.

Tim, what kind of book did you write? Or may be it wasn`t a book but a short story? Why were you rejected?
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 09, 2011, 08:32:48 AM
I already know people who are going the ebook route as a first publishing choice rather than the usual way .....  it's a matter of resources and money of course as the publishing world as we have known it  continues to shrink. Publishers  are already issuing e gallies rather than printing them. A  " galley" is the book traditionally printed to send out to  reviewers before the  book for the public is in the stores  . So publishers themselves are going this way. The demise of Borders Book stores  is a huge event in all this as well  : the digital is on the assent.  Figuring out about ebook publication is important for every author imo.
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 09, 2011, 08:47:18 AM
 It's been very  kind of Sarah to be so gracious with her experience and knowledge as this thread becomes a publishing symposium ....It is a fascinating ( and endless)  topic of course. But perhaps needs its own  thread?  Just a suggestion =)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 09, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
It's been very  kind of Sarah to be so gracious with her experience and knowledge as this thread becomes a publishing symposium ....It is a fascinating ( and endless)  topic of course. But perhaps needs its own  thread?  Just a suggestion =)

Yes, I agree that it's been very kind of Sarushka to relate her publishing experience, and if she wants us to start a new thread, I wouldn't mind (IMO).
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Post by: TimM on August 09, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
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Tim, what kind of book did you write? Or may be it wasn`t a book but a short story? Why were you rejected?

It wasn't a a book, it was the story I have here, Bid Time Return.  As to why it was rejected, I don't know.  I just got some form letter.
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Post by: Alixz on August 09, 2011, 02:28:39 PM
Tim, I remember you mentioning this a long time ago.

I told you that Richard Matheson's book was also called Bid Time Return.,  That book was made into the movie Somewhere In Time

I am not saying that your title was the reason for refusal, just that they were the same.

Original Quote: 

O, Call Back Yesterday, Bid Time Return! -- William Shakespeare (1564-1616), King Richard II -- Act Iii, Sc.
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Post by: TimM on August 09, 2011, 03:20:04 PM
I remember that, Alixz.  I was just answering a poster's question here.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 10, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
Interesting! Bid TIme Return does not seem to me like a very common name. Tim, did you try to submit it as a novel (I know it takes up several pages here, but I was wondering how long it would be when printed off!) or in a collection of short stories, or what?

PS: Sorry, Sarushka. After this question, I'll get back on topic.

Reminder (to myself)
Stay on topic Olga B. Stay on topic Olga B. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!

Okay - I'm reminded! ;)

Sincerely, Olga Bernice
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Post by: TimM on August 11, 2011, 10:50:59 AM
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I know it takes up several pages here, but I was wondering how long it would be when printed off

The manuscript is 96 pages long.
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Post by: Sarushka on August 11, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
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I know it takes up several pages here, but I was wondering how long it would be when printed off

The manuscript is 96 pages long.

That may be a greater hurdle toward publication than the title. It's likely going to be considered too long for a short story and too short for a novel.
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Post by: TimM on August 11, 2011, 11:35:46 AM
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It's likely going to be considered too long for a short story and too short for a novel.

Yikes, I just can't win here.
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Post by: Sarushka on August 11, 2011, 12:29:32 PM
The conventions are tough to buck. Picture books, for example, must fit within 32 pages -- artwork and all. (It has to do with the physical mechanics and logistics of printing.)

You might have slightly better luck if you call your manuscript a novella. It's still going to be a tough sell, but I suspect that letting an editor know right up front that your story is an unconventional length is a better approach than trying to shoehorn it into a more common category.
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 11, 2011, 12:59:46 PM
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PS: Sorry, Sarushka. After this question, I'll get back on topic.
lol Olga Bernice, if Sarah doesn't mind, I should not have said anything and she is giving stellar   advice  imo
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Post by: TimM on August 11, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
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You might have slightly better luck if you call your manuscript a novella. It's still going to be a tough sell, but I suspect that letting an editor know right up front that your story is an unconventional length is a better approach than trying to shoehorn it into a more common category.

I'll give it a try, I don't have much to lose.
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Post by: Alixz on August 12, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
The Length of a Short Story
 
The question of length is but relative; in general a short story should not exceed 10,000 words, and it could hardly contain less than 1,000; while from 3,000 to 5,000 is the most usual length. Yet Hawthorne's "The Gentle Boy" contains 12,000 words; Poe's "The Gold Bug," 13,000; and perhaps the majority of James' exceed the maximum, while "The Lesson of the Master" requires 25,000, and "The Aspern Papers" 32,000. Indeed, the length of any story is determined, not so much[18] by some arbitrary word limit, as by the theme with which it deals. Every plot requires a certain number of words for its proper elaboration, and neither more nor less will do. Just what the limit for any particular story may be, the writer must decide for himself. "It seems to me that a short story writer should act, metaphorically, like this—he should put his idea for a story into one cup of a pair of balances, then into the other he should deal out his words; five hundred; a thousand; two thousand; three thousand; as the case may be—and when the number of words thus paid in causes the beam to rise, on which his idea hangs, then is his story finished. If he puts in a word more or less, he is doing false work."




http://short-story-writing.blogspot.com/2009/09/length-of-short-story.html
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Post by: Alixz on August 12, 2011, 09:27:51 AM
Short Story – 1,000–7,500 words.
- The “regular” short story, usually found in periodicals or anthology collections.

Novelette – 7,500–20,000 words
- Can be a difficult length to sell to a print publisher. It’s too long for most publishers to insert comfortably into a magazine, yet too short for a novel. Better for e-publishing.

Novella – 20,000–50,000 words
- A popular length for the e-publishing market.



http://jodierennerediting.blogspot.com/2010/09/typical-lengths-of-fictional-works.html
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on August 12, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
It's been very  kind of Sarah to be so gracious with her experience and knowledge as this thread becomes a publishing symposium ....It is a fascinating ( and endless)  topic of course. But perhaps needs its own  thread?  Just a suggestion =)

Probably we've wandered far enough now. Also, my publishing experience thus far has been solely with YA fiction, so there's a limit to how pertinent my advice can be in a forum where most writers appear to be pursuing adult novels and non-fiction.

Since getting published doesn't necessarily pertain specifically to Romanov literature, I'd suggest starting a new thread in the discussion forum (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?board=35.0).
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 12, 2011, 11:39:17 AM
Okay, now (Sarushka, please hold in your sighs . . . I'm NOT going to ask a publishing question =D) I began to reread the Lost Crown again yesterday, because I haven't read it in probably a month before then, and it's still as good as it was the first (and second) time! But what I really want to say is: Thank you, thank you, thank you Sarushka for making it so long! All of it is really good, and that's my whole point: There's almost nothing more relaxing, IMO, then curling up with a nice, long, GOOD novel, (and a Romanov novel at that makes it 100% better!). So, I don't care how weird that might sound . . . 400+ pages of good reading + Romanov novel + knowing that the author is GREAT = Well, a very relaxing couple hours!  ;)
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Post by: Ekaterina-Nikolaevna on August 12, 2011, 12:41:57 PM
Okay, now (Sarushka, please hold in your sighs . . . I'm NOT going to ask a publishing question =D) I began to reread the Lost Crown again yesterday, because I haven't read it in probably a month before then, and it's still as good as it was the first (and second) time! But what I really want to say is: Thank you, thank you, thank you Sarushka for making it so long! All of it is really good, and that's my whole point: There's almost nothing more relaxing, IMO, then curling up with a nice, long, GOOD novel, (and a Romanov novel at that makes it 100% better!). So, I don't care how weird that might sound . . . 400+ pages of good reading + Romanov novel + knowing that the author is GREAT = Well, a very relaxing couple hours!  ;)

Took the words right out of my mouth!  ;D
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Post by: Sarushka on August 12, 2011, 03:46:37 PM
I'm glad you're enjoying the page-count. The first time I saw the manuscript printed out, I was astonished -- suddenly I understood why it had taken so long to finish. Miss Spitfire clocked in at about 44K words. At its height TLC was 105K, but it got trimmed down a bit during revisions.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 12, 2011, 04:21:09 PM
Hence - the deleted scenes?  ;) Yay! That reminds me! I have more to reread! (I just finished it for the 3rd time  :))
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Post by: TimM on August 12, 2011, 04:55:06 PM
Yeah, it's a great book, no matter how many times you read it :)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 18, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
Yeah, it's a great book, no matter how many times you read it :)

Yes, definitely, Tim. Sarushka do you alway write in so many similes and metaphors? Because with Olga, she'd compare a lot of things, and with Tatiana, she'd compare things to fashion and other things of that sort, and Maria - she'd always sound very sweet. No matter what she compared it too. Anastasia always compared things to silly things (even though she didn't have as much as her sisters). I guess what I'm trying to get at is: Do you actually *like* using figurative language in your writing, or is it just because you thought OTMA would have used it?
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Post by: blessOTMA on August 18, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
interesting question. Similes and metaphors are a powerful tools...because they connect us to feelings by  using images...which bypass the every day brain...right to emotion
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Post by: Sarushka on August 18, 2011, 11:13:29 AM
Do you actually *like* using figurative language in your writing, or is it just because you thought OTMA would have used it?

It's one of my favorite things to do. I think it's even how I process the world around me. It's also a good way to subtly expand a reader's knowledge about a character -- for example, because Tatiana so often uses fabrics, lace, and components of church services as her frames of reference I don't have to come right out and tell you that she's religious and fond of fashion.

Figurative language also conveys emotion more effectively than standard feeling words, IMO. Even strong words like "blissful" and "livid" (as opposed to "happy" and "mad") aren't as evocative as using a comparison a reader can identify with, particularly if it's a physical sensation. On page 329, I could have had Tatiana say simply that she's shocked by the news that Nagorny has been taken away, but it's more involving for the reader when she says Aleksei's room sways as though a beam has been sawed from under me. Not only do you know how the news affects her emotionally and physically, but by comparing the loss of Nagory to the loss of a beam, you may also get a subconscious reminder of how much the IF depends on Nagorny's support.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 18, 2011, 11:21:32 AM
Do you actually *like* using figurative language in your writing, or is it just because you thought OTMA would have used it?

It's one of my favorite things to do. I think it's even how I process the world around me. It's also a good way to subtly expand a reader's knowledge about a character -- for example, because Tatiana so often uses fabrics, lace, and components of church services as her frames of reference I don't have to come right out and tell you that she's religious and fond of fashion.

Figurative language also conveys emotion more effectively than standard feeling words, IMO. Even strong words like "blissful" and "livid" (as opposed to "happy" and "mad") aren't as evocative as using a comparison a reader can identify with, particularly if it's a physical sensation. On page 329, I could have had Tatiana say simply that she's shocked by the news that Nagorny has been taken away, but it's more involving for the reader when she says Aleksei's room sways as though a beam has been sawed from under me. Not only do you know how the news affects her emotionally and physically, but by comparing the loss of Nagory to the loss of a beam, you may also get a subconscious reminder of how much the IF depends on Nagorny's support.

Wow, I love that, Sarushka! Amazing . . . I'm definitely going to start using figurative language more. And while I'm at it, I might want to look over the Lost Crown again and find some more! Before you had explained all the double-meaning things, I had thought it was only that. It's sort of like poetry. You must have really thought all of it out! Every single simile and metaphor. Amazing.

Good way to say it, blessOTMA!
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Post by: Sarushka on August 18, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
Before you had explained all the double-meaning things, I had thought it was only that. It's sort of like poetry. You must have really thought all of it out! Every single simile and metaphor. Amazing.

It's not often that I get to squeeze in a double-whammy like that one with Tatiana and Nagorny, but it sure is fun when it works out that way.

Excellent question, BTW.
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Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2011, 12:55:49 PM
I was impressed by your use of metaphors, sarah, just like OlgaBernice has been; i have to admit that, as a wannabe writer, i love to use them too. I perfectly understand you when you say that they are useful to explain emotions. I've a very emotional and passionate carachter and i can say i live through my emotions; but it's hard to explain emotions&sensations using words, because in my mind they are made of images and feelings. One could use stream of counsciousness to explain it - but i'm not a Virginia Woolf or a Jame Joyce, i'm not good enough to make something likle this. I've always found metaphors the best thing to sort it out. Even if im not poetical as, i'm sure, you are, Sarah, i like using metaphors too, even speaking in everyday life. My collegues, in the shop, mock me gently about it. When i was at High School, my classmates (in Italy we don't move from a techer class to another with multiple courses: a class i made of the same people for 5 years and has its own schoolroom; teacher go to their classes, not the contrary, so you are always with the same people)had made a sort of "register" when they wrote down my metaphors - to mock me, but i liked it!
BTW, thanks for sharing this thoughts with us, Sarah.
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Post by: Alixz on August 18, 2011, 01:46:59 PM
I am glad that someone finally mentioned the use of simile and metaphor.  I found it a little repetitious - no actually a lot repetitious.

I got to the point in the final chapters where I turned a page and thought, OK what will we be comparing this to now?

I think it has its uses but that it can be overused just as everything can be over used.  For me, it actually took away the inner feeling and left me with only the wait to see what was going to be used to compare something to this time  Was there anything that didn't remind one of the girls of something else?  Did they have an original thought or were they stuck in a time warp and never experienced anything as new?  Were they incapable of experiencing anything without using old learned comparisons?  Did nothing, even before their imprisonment, ever just "take their breath away"?  As in, "I have never experienced or seen anything like it in my life?"

I was wondering if it was the way that Young Adult fiction is written when it is considered to be well written.  I guess I just didn't get the - now - obvious reason for it.
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 18, 2011, 03:41:29 PM
Oh, yes, Sarushka, thanky uo very much for the wonderful answers!

Before you had explained all the double-meaning things, I had thought it was only that. It's sort of like poetry. You must have really thought all of it out! Every single simile and metaphor. Amazing.

It's not often that I get to squeeze in a double-whammy like that one with Tatiana and Nagorny, but it sure is fun when it works out that way.

Excellent question, BTW.

Oh, thaaannnks. Every so often I'll have one of them  ;)
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Post by: TimM on August 23, 2011, 02:25:11 AM
It's nice to have the author of this great book as part of our board :)
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Post by: RHB on August 23, 2011, 02:36:04 AM
I second that! another word to go with what Tim just said is "awesome" so not only is it wonderful to have Sarah here but it's also awesome... definitely awesome!  ;D
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 23, 2011, 08:34:05 AM
It's nice to have the author of this great book as part of our board :)

I guess I'll have to third that! It's really fantastic to have you, Sarushka. Thanks again for all your great answers!
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Post by: TimM on August 23, 2011, 07:20:47 PM
This book is a great way to introduce a friend to OTMA.
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Post by: imperial angel on August 28, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
 Correct, Robert, re "self publish."  If I'm not mistaken, these would be the so-called "Vanity Press" publications, and quite obviously, one has to agree to a specific number of copies to be printed at the initial run, absorbing ALL the involved costs!  
  If you can't sell them, then you are stuck with boxes of copies (unless one wishes to give VERY personalized holiday presents). An expensive alternative indeed!                                                          Regards,  AP.

Also, unfortunately most libraries and book stores don't look that kindly on Vanity Press books... They are immediately suspicious of them, even if they may be good... The way they see it, the book much be a "reject" if no one else wanted to publish it but you yourself! It's unfair but that's how it is... I know that our library won't even except Vanity Press into our catalog, even when the authors offer us copies for free... I think the best way to go if you want to self publish may be ebook self publication. It's a lot cheaper from what I understand and you just get royalties as you go along... and you have the control you want, and don't need to get it into bookstores or libraries. And eventually it may be successful enough to get published for "real". I would be very careful about self publishing though...

Interesting that your library won't accept even donations of self published books, I bet libraries would around where I live, but I live in the very rural midwest..I can understand libraries/ bookstores not having self published books though.True, a lot of self published stuff needs a LOT of editing, if not more help, even in e-book form.I know rather a lot about self publishing.I have a friend who wrote a book that was autobiographical fiction of his life, and he knew it wasn't good enough or a topic of wide enough interest perhaps (it's about his interest in cemeteries/ local history) to get it published except self publishing, he just wanted it get it out there.Even then, he admitted it needed a lot of editing.I love the book, since it is by my friend, it's my favorite book, but it does need a lot of editing/ help, even for self publishing.He was going to turn it into an e-book recently, but then he realized it needed more editing than he could do for that, so he decided not to do it, last I heard at least.I think self publishing is something that's okay if you just want your work read mostly by people who know you, or you just want to get out there even if you realize it's not good enough for commercial publishing, but yeah, if you want to be a serious author, it's best to not do that.The friend I mention above, he's a photographer too, and a really good one, he's a much better photographer than he is a writer.Me and he self published two books of his photography and my poetry earlier this year, just because we wanted to get it out there, and we did it for us as much as anyone else(and for the models in the pictures), and for people who know us.That's all we wanted out of doing it, those books are fine in my opinion, his photography is great, and my writing is fine and matches the pictures.Those two books really are beautiful, but unconventional(poetry about cemeteries).Self publishing is okay if you are just doing it for yourself as a hobby like we did, but most people want more than that out of doing a book.I guess there should really be a topic on the forum about this..I'm very off topic, but just wanted to put my 2 cents in as someone who knows about self publishing..
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Post by: Padawan Ryan on August 28, 2011, 05:46:15 PM
After reading about this book for a while here, I've been watching it every so often. The first time I read about it, it was only available from one website - was it the Vanity Press site? All I can remember is that it was only available there. Now it's available on the Chapters site, which is the local bookstore here (and is owned by Indigo, so there are Chapters and Coles stores all over the country). Now that it's easy to walk into a store and buy it if I so desire, I'm actually considering it - I love novels about my favourite historical figures, OTMA being among them (if not the most favourite, since I began researching them at eleven and I'm now going on twenty-one). Just wanted to let you know, as soon as I have money that can be spared, I think I may be purchasing this book. :)
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Post by: Olga Bernice on August 28, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
After reading about this book for a while here, I've been watching it every so often. The first time I read about it, it was only available from one website - was it the Vanity Press site? All I can remember is that it was only available there. Now it's available on the Chapters site, which is the local bookstore here (and is owned by Indigo, so there are Chapters and Coles stores all over the country). Now that it's easy to walk into a store and buy it if I so desire, I'm actually considering it - I love novels about my favourite historical figures, OTMA being among them (if not the most favourite, since I began researching them at eleven and I'm now going on twenty-one). Just wanted to let you know, as soon as I have money that can be spared, I think I may be purchasing this book. :)

Well, trust me, it is TOTALLY worth the money. Totally. I just got it on June 13th (and I even remember the date - hehe!), and since then I've read it 4 times. Yeah. I love it, and if you've been researching them for 10 years, you'll love it too. Rest assured.
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: historyfan on August 28, 2011, 07:39:12 PM
After reading about this book for a while here, I've been watching it every so often. The first time I read about it, it was only available from one website - was it the Vanity Press site? All I can remember is that it was only available there. Now it's available on the Chapters site, which is the local bookstore here (and is owned by Indigo, so there are Chapters and Coles stores all over the country). Now that it's easy to walk into a store and buy it if I so desire, I'm actually considering it - I love novels about my favourite historical figures, OTMA being among them (if not the most favourite, since I began researching them at eleven and I'm now going on twenty-one). Just wanted to let you know, as soon as I have money that can be spared, I think I may be purchasing this book. :)

You're in Canada?  So am I.  : )  I got my copy at Indigo. 
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on August 28, 2011, 11:19:40 PM
After reading about this book for a while here, I've been watching it every so often. The first time I read about it, it was only available from one website - was it the Vanity Press site? All I can remember is that it was only available there.

You may be thinking of this OTMA book (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16536.0). Unfortunately their site seems to have disappeared, so I don't know whether that book is still slated to be published.

The Lost Crown is published by Simon & Schuster, and is available at both independent and chain bookstores. It never had its own website.
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Post by: Padawan Ryan on August 29, 2011, 12:03:34 AM
After reading about this book for a while here, I've been watching it every so often. The first time I read about it, it was only available from one website - was it the Vanity Press site? All I can remember is that it was only available there.

You may be thinking of this OTMA book (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16536.0). Unfortunately their site seems to have disappeared, so I don't know whether that book is still slated to be published.

The Lost Crown is published by Simon & Schuster, and is available at both independent and chain bookstores. It never had its own website.

It never had it's own website? Are you certain? Because I saw a website about this book before - I definitely wasn't thinking of that other book, it was the cover and the title to your book. I was thinking Vanity Press because I saw someone mention that in this thread, I guess I don't skim things very well, but I know for certain that the one I had looked at before was yours. I'm not sure if the site was selling it, or if perhaps you have a site where the book was mentioned? I just know that when I first saw the book on the other site, I had checked Chapters and Amazon and it wasn't there, and when I checked more recently on both, it was.
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Post by: Sunny on August 29, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
You may be thinking of this OTMA book (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16536.0). Unfortunately their site seems to have disappeared, so I don't know whether that book is still slated to be published.

I was wondering the same about this book and thought the same: maybe it won't be published in Sept. I'm glad to know someone else noticed it.
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Post by: Sunny on August 29, 2011, 08:02:34 AM
I wanted to add The lost crown on my Anobii account, but there wasn't so i created the page myself. I'm witing for authentification. Hope you'd be happy (if someone here uses Anobii)
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Post by: Sarushka on August 29, 2011, 08:24:35 AM
It never had it's own website? Are you certain? Because I saw a website about this book before - I definitely wasn't thinking of that other book, it was the cover and the title to your book.

It's had a page (http://www.sarahmillerbooks.com/beta/The_Lost_Crown.html) on my website since long before The Lost Crown was available for sale anywhere, but it was never available to buy directly from me. (I've recently redesigned the whole site, so you may not be able to recognize whether it's where you first saw the book.)
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Post by: TimM on August 30, 2011, 02:02:49 AM
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if someone here uses Anobii)
 

Never heard of it.
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Post by: Sunny on August 30, 2011, 07:51:37 AM
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if someone here uses Anobii)
 

Never heard of it.

Strange, it's not only in italian. Maybe abroad it's not very used. Anyway... here it is. Maybe someone could be interested. It is a sort of on-line personal library. You can add thebook you wrote and know how many you read in a year and something like this. I was afraid to write down all the books i have in my house library, and most of those i read were from the public library. On Anobii it's much simpler to add everything.

http://www.anobii.com/ (hope it is the english page. If it's not, go to the bottom - right corner and select the language)
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Olga Bernice on August 31, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
Wow, Sarushka! I've been a visitor to your website since I read Miss Spitfire a little under a year ago. But I've never noticed all your interviews and things! Good grief, now I feel all queasy - I'm talking to a celebrity!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on January 11, 2012, 08:28:20 AM
Here's a 10-minute interview I did on The Lost Crown back in September for the Lansing area library system. They put it online just before Christmas so I could share:

http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ (http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ)

(Hope it's good -- I still haven't watched it myself.)
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Post by: blessOTMA on January 11, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
Here's a 10-minute interview I did on The Lost Crown back in September for the Lansing area library system. They put it online just before Christmas so I could share:

http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ (http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ)

(Hope it's good -- I still haven't watched it myself.)

Terrific... I of course like the part when you spoke about them in the present tense...TN's voice etc.
That showed the creative process to me
 
I still haven't watched it myself.  
It would be hard to watch a nearly 10 min video of oneself if one's not use to it
 I suggest some vodka before hand lol!

Thanks for posting it!
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Post by: historyfan on January 11, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
Here's a 10-minute interview I did on The Lost Crown back in September for the Lansing area library system. They put it online just before Christmas so I could share:

http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ (http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ)

(Hope it's good -- I still haven't watched it myself.)

Thanks, Sarah! Very interesting!
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Post by: Sunny on January 12, 2012, 12:47:59 AM
Here's a 10-minute interview I did on The Lost Crown back in September for the Lansing area library system. They put it online just before Christmas so I could share:

http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ (http://youtu.be/wxKp5U8lzxQ)

(Hope it's good -- I still haven't watched it myself.)

Spoken American English is always a bit more difficult than written one for me, so i've to handle it with care - i mean, i'm afraid to loose something because i'm more used to READ english than to LISTEN TO it and sometimes i miss some words or the meaning of a sentence (speaking in general, not of this video); i'm going to apply my Russian way: listen to it again and again till i understand ( like i do with Russian R-ov films). Thanks so much for sharing, Sarah.
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Post by: TimM on January 12, 2012, 01:08:30 AM
Nice interview, Sarah.

Tatiana never used contractions?  Sounds more like Commander Data :)
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Post by: Sunny on January 12, 2012, 08:19:29 AM
Nice interview, Sarah.

Tatiana never used contractions?  Sounds more like Commander Data :)

Oh! also "my" Tatiana speaks a very polished language! (but we don't have contractions in Italian, so i just used elegant words) *___*
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Post by: Sarushka on January 12, 2012, 08:21:41 AM
Tatiana never used contractions?  Sounds more like Commander Data :)

In real life she probably did, but in the book she doesn't. That was the best way for me to convey her formality without calling attention to it.
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Post by: blessOTMA on January 12, 2012, 02:49:26 PM
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That was the best way for me to convey her formality without calling attention to it.
Since I saw the interview I have been wondering what contractions are  and now I realize it means having TN say ,"cannot"  instead of  " can't"  etc...and it's freaking brilliant device.
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Post by: Sunny on January 12, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
BTW at least i saw it, understood it, and liked it! Thanks again!
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Post by: TimM on January 12, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
I also noticed the part where you said you wish you could tell them what's coming, Sarah, and compared it to going back and saving the Titanic.  I couldn't agree more, you want to warn them all to get out of Russia and don't look back.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 12, 2012, 07:20:45 PM
I just got this book in the mail on monday and half way thourgh and I LOVE IT! bravo Sarah!!! :)
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Post by: Sarushka on January 16, 2012, 03:41:55 PM
I just got this book in the mail on monday and half way thourgh and I LOVE IT! bravo Sarah!!! :)

Thanks Mandie. It's especially gratifying to hear that TLC lives up to a longtime Romanov fan's expectations.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on April 17, 2012, 12:20:54 PM
I have been rereading parts of The Lost Crown lately, and I just have to say how much I love the relationship between the sisters. It is so heartwarming how they are always there for each other. Makes me wish I had a real-life sister!

Another thing that I am sure all of us Romanov history buffs smile at is how all those little things like the heights of OTMA and Alexei on the classroom wall, the friezes, the toys in Alexei's playroom, which general audience might think are invented, are complete accuracy. Also, the use of letters and quotes written by the Grand Duchesses to enhance the story are so wonderful. The beginning of one of Maria's Ekaterinburg chapters, the one whose opening paragraphs are taken from the letter about the birds, sunshine, the crosses on the domes... I just love that bit, knowing that the real Maria Nicholaevna truly wrote that, if in different wording.

The emotions are so distinct, the present-tense makes their feelings more relatable, in a way. A definite masterpiece of a novel!
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Post by: Sarushka on April 21, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
Thanks Andrea. Squeezing in all those little details was one of my favorite things to do. Why make something up when you can have the real thing?
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Post by: Vanya Ivanova on April 23, 2012, 10:45:01 AM

I couldn't agree with you more Mademoiselle Andrea! You know that every word is authentic and backed up with meticulous research.

I particularly love how even the family pets, Ortino, Jemmy and Joy are brought back to life.

The part where I think its Tatiana and Anastasia discuss Maria's bleeding during her tonsil operation and how that would make childbirth potentially fatal for their deeply maternal sister was heartbreaking. However it was also very enlightening. This book is full of perpectives and insights like this that are nothing short of genius!
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Post by: Olga Bernice on June 02, 2012, 10:56:15 AM
Exactly!! <i>The Lost Crown</i> makes OTMA seem less like centuries-old people stuck on photographs and more like the sufferers and martyrs that they really were. Vulnerable, scared of what's to come, yet graced with a supreme hope that everything will be all right. You did a great job with that, Sarushka. :-D
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Post by: edubs31 on June 02, 2012, 11:27:55 AM
Exactly!! <i>The Lost Crown</i> makes OTMA seem less like centuries-old people stuck on photographs and more like the sufferers and martyrs that they really were. Vulnerable, scared of what's to come, yet graced with a supreme hope that everything will be all right. You did a great job with that, Sarushka. :-D

Yeah I second that! I'm about 80% of the way through and just love this novel. I fully expect the last 20% to be a bit heartbreaking as obviously I know full well what's in store...but to this point I can't remember the last time a book (Romanov related or otherwise) made me smile so much!

Integrating Russian words and phrases in with the English text is a really nice touch as well. For me at least "The Lost Crown" serves better to reinforce my currently held beliefs than to offer stunning revelations. That said if I were to single out one character where more of the latter is the case it would be Tatiana. So incredibly capable and admirable...not just the standout daughter in my opinion but the true leader of all eleven people held in captivity to the end. Both matriarch and patriarch. Circumstances would likely have never allowed for it but I would have loved to have seen this young woman, had she survived, flourish in a role of leadership or whatever she was otherwise destined to become.

Always have had a deep and profound love for OTMA but, if possible, that has become even more unshakeable now. Great job Sarah and thank you!

Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Sarushka on June 09, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
Always have had a deep and profound love for OTMA but, if possible, that has become even more unshakeable now. Great job Sarah and thank you!

You're welcome. People like you are exactly the audience I had in mind while writing The Lost Crown. I hope you enjoy the end -- to the extent that it can be enjoyed...
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Post by: edubs31 on June 09, 2012, 11:52:07 AM
Always have had a deep and profound love for OTMA but, if possible, that has become even more unshakeable now. Great job Sarah and thank you!

You're welcome. People like you are exactly the audience I had in mind while writing The Lost Crown. I hope you enjoy the end -- to the extent that it can be enjoyed...

It was great Sarah and you did a fine job concluding things. Obviously your narrator (Olga in this instance) wasn't going to be able to describe the events in full unless this was to be a tale continued from beyond the grave. Reading the end and your epilogue is still unavoidably sad but I thought you brought a close to things skillfully and gracefully. Truthful without the shocking detail...good for readers like myself who need an emotional break from the vivid depictions, and even better for younger or less familiar readers who don't really need to be subjected to that right away!
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Post by: Kassafrass on January 13, 2014, 12:41:15 AM
I'm about half way through the book and I am so so so impressed with this novel. You did a great job giving them each their own distinct voices, Sarah.

Your metaphorical language and the little things you throw in there (such as Tatiana not using any contractions) are fantastic and simply make the book. I love being able to read through the pages and have a specific photograph in my mind to match up with what is going on.

One thing I have to say, however, is that the mentioning of bullets and bayonets makes me feeling like I'm being punched in the gut. Were you purposely putting that in there? Or was that just a painful coincidence?

Anyway, fantastic novel, Sarah. I cannot wait to hear of your next novel when you're ready to tell us!
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Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 14, 2014, 05:41:55 PM
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(such as Tatiana not using any contractions)

I can NOT believe I didn't notice that.
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Post by: nena on January 14, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
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(such as Tatiana not using any contractions)

Being a non-english speaker, I'd kindly please anyone to explain what does 'using contractions' mean in Enlgish and to give an example. :-D
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Post by: historyfan on January 14, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
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(such as Tatiana not using any contractions)

Being a non-english speaker, I'd kindly please anyone to explain what does 'using contractions' mean in Enlgish and to give an example. :-D

You used one. : ) A contraction is the shortening of two words into one, using an apostrophe. The one you used was "I'd". Tatiana, as shown in the book, would have said "I would".

Other examples are:

I'm = I am
You're = You are
Wouldn't = Would not
Can't = Cannot
Aren't = Are not
Title: Re: THE LOST CROWN - A New Novel by Sarah Miller.
Post by: Kassafrass on January 15, 2014, 12:06:17 AM
Sarushka mentions earlier in this thread as well as in an interview how she was sure not to use contractions for Tatiana as to make her sound more... was it proper? Elegant? I cannot remember the exact word now. Anyway, I have a great great admiration for that! It is amazing to me that she was able to think of such ideas to convey these characteristics of Tatiana.
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Post by: TimM on January 15, 2014, 01:26:20 AM
Sarah should write a book in which her Tatiana meets Data from Star Trek: TNG.  Not a contraction would be uttered between them!
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Post by: nena on January 15, 2014, 06:28:48 AM

You used one. : ) A contraction is the shortening of two words into one, using an apostrophe. The one you used was "I'd". Tatiana, as shown in the book, would have said "I would".

Other examples are:

I'm = I am
You're = You are
Wouldn't = Would not
Can't = Cannot
Aren't = Are not
Thank you!!! The term 'contraction' is used in Numerical Mathematics, for example, there I first learned of it. I see now that it is used in Language. So, Tatiana was a perfectionist, I would guess. :-D
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Post by: Sarushka on January 15, 2014, 09:21:40 PM
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(such as Tatiana not using any contractions)

I can NOT believe I didn't notice that.

I'm actually glad you didn't. I wanted it to be a subtle thing.
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Post by: Sarushka on January 15, 2014, 09:22:29 PM

One thing I have to say, however, is that the mentioning of bullets and bayonets makes me feeling like I'm being punched in the gut. Were you purposely putting that in there? Or was that just a painful coincidence?

I don't remember offhand. What page is it on?
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Post by: Kassafrass on January 15, 2014, 10:23:48 PM
Of course when I was writing to you on here I couldn't find the page. I'll check again and post when I find them.
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Post by: Kassafrass on January 17, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
Found some of them just now:

Chapter 17 - Tatiana, page 116

"My heart falls, leaving a space as though a bullet has torn a path through my chest."

Chapter 19 - Olga, page 135

"For days, anytime a soldier so much as glances my way, guilt slices at me like a bayonet."

I believe there was a least one more, but I have yet to find it.
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Post by: Sarushka on January 20, 2014, 06:41:19 AM
I had to think a minute. The comparisons were deliberate (I always choose them carefully to reflect the character or situation)  but I don't think they were intentional references to the eventual execution. By this time the GDss had been surrounded by war and soldiers for four years, so it sounded natural to me to have them think in those terms.
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Post by: blessOTMA on March 04, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
What an interesting exchange! 

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but I don't think they were intentional references to the eventual execution.

However  it's a good idea to think about subtly using such references , particularly when the final event the  reference symbolizes itself  will not be described. So while  thankfully, we do not get to the final  bayonets and bullets in  the novel's real time, they are still experienced by the reader.   In my own writing I am finding such " runs ups"  as I call them , popping up all the time .They are slight tremors that foretell a coming event and  make the final event even more  meaningful because we have tread that path somewhat before . We become alert in a different way, like in a recurring dream.
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Post by: Dev on March 10, 2014, 11:36:12 AM
I bought this book when it first came out but my expansive list of books to read took up my time. FINALLY now get to actually read it, and am so impressed with the accuracy and little details only a true Romanov fanatic could possibly know. How long did it take you to write, Sarah? Congrats btw, even though it's late, aha.
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Post by: Sarushka on March 10, 2014, 05:45:10 PM
Four years.
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Post by: Dev on March 11, 2014, 05:05:44 AM
Sarah,
In your research did you find any evidence Olga or Tatiana burned their letters like MA?
And thank you, I'm coming up on my fourth year for my Olga novel, and it can be quite the long but worthwhile feat, as you surely know so.
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Post by: Sarushka on March 11, 2014, 07:48:05 AM
Nicholas's diary 9/22 April:
"We learned that the extraordinary commissar Yakovlev had arrived from Moscow...The children imagined that he would come today to perform a search, and burned all their letters, and Marie and Anastasia even burned their diaries."
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Post by: Kalafrana on March 11, 2014, 08:28:43 AM
This was while the whole family were still in Tobolsk. Interesting.

Ann
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Post by: Dev on March 11, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
Thank you. Did the girls' receive or send anymore letters after that?
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Post by: Sarushka on March 11, 2014, 10:33:02 PM
They did. Mostly back and forth to each other during the Ekaterinburg/Tobolsk separation, but there were some letters sent outside the family.
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Post by: Dev on June 27, 2014, 10:54:52 PM
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The pair of us are like salt and sugar: such different flavors, but so close in every other way you could never sort us apart once we're together.

Just have finished re-reading the book - This is not only one of the best fitting quotes of MA, but simply a beautifully articulated line!
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 05, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
I finished this book last night and tried to gather my thoughts throughout the day. First of all let me say I am not generally fond of historical fiction build around real people - especially those I know a lot about. I understand there is the "writer´s licence", but any innacuracy usually drags me the wrong way. Furthermore after reading the awful Tsarina´s Daughter by Carolly Erickson I was put off any OTMA fiction for a long long time. If I didn´t know Sarushka mastered the knowledge (meaning if the book was by some other author), I would probably never have picked it up.

When I finally opened the book, it hooked me immediatelly, from the first sentence. It felt very "young adult" at first, which makes sense given the Grand Duchesses talk about their lives and feelings, and quite a simple, light read, but as the book progressed and the inevitable conclusion came nearer and nearer I found myself putting the book down often - I became so invested in the narrative that it made me physically sick just to know what was coming. Each of the girls seemed very distinct individual, yet at the same time the author captured the close bond between the sisters.

My only criticism is not even a criticism, more like wondering. There are lot of well-known (to a Romanov enthusiast) anecdotes mentioned and woven into the story, and of course quite a few names of Imperial entourage mentioned. I felt that had I not been familiar with those before-hand, I would have been lost in them. I wonder whether that wouldn´t put any "uninitiated" read off (which would be a real pity).

All in all the book exceeded my expectations and I am going to reccomend it to others from now on. I might even give a chance to other Romanov fiction books, though I doubt they will be as carefully and truthfully executed.
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Post by: TimM on September 07, 2016, 07:02:42 AM
Sarah wrote a great book here, didn't she  :)
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Post by: Dev on March 07, 2019, 05:24:41 AM
I really enjoyed this one, I think along with Azar's book this is the best of OTMA works.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on June 11, 2019, 07:47:49 AM
I got hold of a copy and read it good OTMA fiction. I do have some errata:
"Pearl Handled Pistol" on pages 134 and 306 I don't think so Olga's pistol would not have had them. I would say there would be few pearl handled pistols in Europe at this time. Even in the US a pearl handled pistol would be in the hands of pimps or tin horn gamblers.

Motor in Tobolsk I don't think there were any at this time when the IF arrived page 159

Wrist watches page 370 I don't think the IF or any of the people still with them would of had one in the house of Special Purpose. Pocket Watches yes see LDR. Note wearing a wrist watch did not become popular until WW I.

I hope this is of some use
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Post by: GDSophie on June 11, 2019, 11:03:35 AM
I got hold of a copy and read it good OTMA fiction. I do have some errata:
"Pearl Handled Pistol" on pages 134 and 306 I don't think so Olga's pistol would not have had them. I would say there would be few pearl handled pistols in Europe at this time. Even in the US a pearl handled pistol would be in the hands of pimps or tin horn gamblers.

Motor in Tobolsk I don't think there were any at this time when the IF arrived page 159

Wrist watches page 370 I don't think the IF or any of the people still with them would of had one in the house of Special Purpose. Pocket Watches yes see LDR. Note wearing a wrist watch did not become popular until WW I.

I hope this is of some use

Yes to the first two, but OTMA did own wrist watches. You can see them in some photos of them, so unless they were encrusted with jewels I doubt they would have been taken at the House of Special Purpose when Yurovsky went around and took any valuables they had that they didn't own. But honestly, they'll all minor mistakes. Nothing serious.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on June 19, 2019, 09:53:15 AM
On wrist watches it is hard to tell if OTMA are wearing them since they wore long sleeves and wore gold bracelets. They killers would have taken their watches when they striped their bodies since watches were valuable in Russia at this time since the country had fallen into chaos.

You also mention antibiotics in the book. I don't think they were invented until after WW I see Reinhard Heydrich wiki bio which mentions anti batrical drugs that were invented post WW I
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on June 28, 2019, 08:33:46 AM
Stealing wrist watches I understand was common by Soviet soldiers in WW II. Allied POWs liberated by them sometimes even had their wrist watches stolen by them.