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Title: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 09, 2008, 06:28:32 AM
Good day!
I search portraits and information about Caroline of Baden. She was second wife King Maximilian I Joseph of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: gogm on December 10, 2008, 12:08:49 PM
Here are some portraits:

Click on the image to enter Webshots. Once in Webshots, click on the "+" sign below the image to fully expand the image. Images of Caroline are grouped together and some images have not been set up for this posting so you may rummage around the Webshots posting.

(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/43599/2828093680094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2828093680094285158hKJQhz)

(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/33624/2633348420094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2633348420094285158mbNXTz)

(http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/13700/2519335310094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2519335310094285158gJwnuN)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on December 10, 2008, 01:31:08 PM
Two more:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/KarolineofBadenqueenofBavaria.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/QueenKarolineofBavaria.jpg)

I really wish to know more about Caroline. It seems to me that she was a strong woman...

Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on December 10, 2008, 01:45:44 PM
Another portrait...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Karoline.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on December 10, 2008, 05:25:58 PM
In the last one she seems to have only one eyebrow!
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Post by: Rani on December 12, 2008, 09:54:44 AM
(http://i36.tinypic.com/ir5kds.jpg)

(http://i37.tinypic.com/24vi52v.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/9rp2ly.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2008, 10:57:54 AM
She was indeed lovely. She was Sisi's and Franz Joself 's grandmother.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 14, 2008, 02:49:23 AM
I have information about Caroline was beloved by the family and people.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 09:53:02 AM
I agree. I have information that she did not always get along with her stepson, King Ludwig I.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 17, 2008, 07:14:18 AM
I interest in Caroline, but I have very small information. I wish to know more about Caroline.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 08:00:32 AM
Yes. I got information from a book on the lives of Queens of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2009, 07:25:39 PM
I like her portraits very much. I didn't knew much about her, just that she was grandma
of the Empress Sissi. She doesn't look like her granddaughter.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2009, 07:51:01 PM
Do you know how was her character? Someone said that she had a strong one
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on October 13, 2009, 10:45:20 AM
Caroline

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/carolinevonbayern.jpg)

Carolines mother Amalia of Baden

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/amalievonbaden.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
Amazing ones Rani!! I think that Archduchess Sophie looks a little bit than her mom
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on October 14, 2009, 06:25:58 AM
Carolines eyebrows are funny.
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Post by: THERRY on October 14, 2009, 06:45:52 AM
Carolines eyebrows are funny.
I agree !  Looks like Gisela, the eldest daughter of Elisabeth
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2009, 06:56:13 PM
Yes, I agree with you two. I don't know how it was considered beautiful to have eyebrows like
these ;-)
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Post by: guinevere on January 26, 2010, 02:42:26 PM
As far as I know :

 - Karoline loved Painting from childhood years on
 - before she married Max I Joseph 1797 she is said to be very in love with the french Duke of Enghien ( who was killed bei Napoleon I in 1804)
 - after she married she stayed to be protestant  ( not common in Bavaria at that time , and even today :-)))
 - she had dificulties with her older Stepchildren Ludwig I and auguste Amalie ( at the Time of her wedding 11 and 9 years old)
 - she got on very well with her younger Stepchildren Charlotte and Karl
 - she had a poor health and was very slim
 - she always stayed with her husband, either out of love, or jealousy
 - 1799 she gave birth to her first child, a deadborn son - she never really got over the loss and wore a Medaillon with his Hair, her entire Life
 - 1800 she gave birth to another Son, who died 2 years later from meningitis. Karoline and Max I Joseph were shattered by this loss
 - 1801 and 1805 she gives birth to twin daughters... all four survive and marry well later
 - 1808 she gives birth to Ludovika, later mother of Sissi
 - 1810 she gives birth to her daughter Karoline, who dies 1821.
 - 1825 dies her husband Max I Joseph and her stepson Ludwig I ,now King, tries to get her out of Munich and send her away to Würzburg, but she resists and stayes nearby in Tegernsee where she had many happy times during her marriage.


Many Greetings guinevere
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2010, 02:55:06 PM
The Queen
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Karoline.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
Other more...
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/QueenCarol.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on January 26, 2010, 03:12:29 PM
As far as I know :


 - after she married she stayed to be protestant  ( not common in Bavaria at that time , and even today :-)))
 

Many Greetings guinevere

After her death, there was this embarrassing funeral.
Wikipedia.org:
"Caroline of Baden died November 13, 1841, outliving her husband by sixteen years and one month. Due to her Protestant religion, her funeral was conducted with so little royal dignity that there were public protests. By order of the Catholic archbishop Lothar Anselm von Gebsattel, all participating Catholic clergy were dressed in ordinary clothes instead of church vestments. The Protestant clergy were halted at the church door and not allowed to proceed inside for the service, so Ludwig Friedrich Schmidt gave the funeral sermon there. Afterwards, the funeral procession dissipated, and the coffin was placed in the burial crypt without ceremony. This treatment of his beloved stepmother permanently softened the attitude of Caroline's stepson Ludwig I, who up until that time had been a strong opponent of Protestantism in spite of his marriage to the Protestant princess Therese of Saxe-Hildburghausen."

Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2010, 08:06:52 AM
Poor Lady!!! :-S
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Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vqtc9i.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Interesting. Was the agency in Germany (own the etching) ?
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
Yes, it´s a German agency.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
Thanks. I think they (Germany) have a treasure trove of images that is now coming to light.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 09, 2010, 02:37:33 PM
Her deathbed?
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Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 02:48:15 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: eejm on July 12, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
The incidence of fraternal twin births tend to run in families.  Caroline was a twin herself; her twin sister Catherine Amalie did not marry.  It doesn't seem to be documented whether the sisters were fraternal or identical twins.

Caroline gave birth to two sets of identical twins.  The first set - Elizabeth Louise and Amalie Auguste - were married to Frederick William IV of Prussia and John of Saxony, respectively.  The second set - Maria Anna and Sophie - were married to Frederick II Augustus of Saxony and Archduke Franz Karl of Austria, respectively.  A fifth daughter, Ludovika, married Maximilian Joseph in Bavaria.  Son Maximilian and daughter Maximiliana died in childhood.

The fact that Caroline gave birth to two (reportedly) identical sets of twins is remarkable indeed.  The fact that she herself was a twin raises the question as to whether this was a one in a million fluke, or was a hereditary trait?
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2012, 01:53:39 PM
Both Archduchess Sophie & Duchess Ludovika did not have twins...
Title: Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
Post by: eejm on July 15, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
True - however, the fact that twins were in at least two generations (twice in the second generation) is remarkable, and there were other twins among Caroline's cousins.