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Title: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 30, 2008, 05:15:31 AM
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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on December 31, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/w83ybn.jpg)


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(http://i42.tinypic.com/ri4uj4.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Laura_ on December 31, 2008, 03:35:46 PM
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/elisabeth/honbpietzner1.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on December 31, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
With Gisela...

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/GiselaAl.jpg)


Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on December 31, 2008, 04:19:36 PM
she was very pretty  but  last i saw  a doku of  Sissi

and they said that she made every day Sport and she was afraid of mans and ..sex. and with the time the bedthroom of sissi and Josef was empty.

And she laugh about the womans who was fat and plump. i  never knew that.. whe i was little i did look  the cartoon sissi and i loved her. Becuase she was so beautifull and lovly.

And roumors sayd that   Andrashi was the f ather of  sissis  first daugther Valerie.

She loved ungary.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on December 31, 2008, 04:29:22 PM
Valerie was her youngest daughter. Yes, this roumor about Andrassy's fatherhood of Valerie is quite well known, but very unlikely.
I think, it's only gossip.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 31, 2008, 05:02:20 PM
she was very pretty  but  last i saw  a doku of  Sissi

and they said that she made every day Sport and she was afraid of mans and ..sex. and with the time the bedthroom of sissi and Josef was empty.

And she laugh about the womans who was fat and plump. i  never knew that.. whe i was little i did look  the cartoon sissi and i loved her. Becuase she was so beautifull and lovly.

And roumors sayd that   Andrashi was the f ather of  sissis  first daugther Valerie.

She loved ungary.

But Sissi was beautiful and lonely... traveling she missed a big part from the childhood of her children which was big mistake... I feel sorry for her....
Susan thank you for the lovely picture of her and Gisela... I had it in bad quality....Thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 01, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/benczur12.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/44.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/45.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GyulaBenczur.jpg)


Images by Gyula Benczur
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
More pics:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Elizaoval-1.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Elizacloseup.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Elizaandpearls.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 12:45:19 PM
The portrait made by Anton Romacko c. 1880:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/ElisabethporAntonRomacko1880-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Elizaprofile.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 12:50:54 PM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/SISSI/Elisabeth4p.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 01:28:38 PM
Glad you like it, Irina ;)
It´s a beautiful pic, but I believe it´s also very retouched.

Another pic:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Eliza.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on January 01, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
Gah! i just cant say this enough....but i wish i had her hair....she had such beautiful hair...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 02:13:25 PM
Another shot from the same session ;)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Eliza3.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Yseult on January 01, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
And the last one I have from this session...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Eliza2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 03, 2009, 10:09:03 AM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2naibz6.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 04, 2009, 07:43:09 AM
Let's post mine:p - Well most I have are posted but I've got ome rare-ones, so:p

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0002.jpg)
A little-known picture of the Empress, sitting on the left with gray hair. On the back you can see one of her famous Winterhalter-paintings

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/paar06.jpg)
Last known picture of the Emperor and Empress, taken in Kissingen, 1898. Posted earlier by Princess Susan

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0001.jpg)
The last known picture of the Empress in Territet, together with Countess Irma Sztaray


(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0003.jpg)
The ensemble the Empress wore the day she died, september 10th 1898. A mark left by the file can be clearly seen


I've got all pictures and information from the next two books:
'Elisabeth' by Martin Ross.
'Sisi, Haunted by Destiny' by Wim Ewalt.

Both books are only available in dutch I am afraid.

Sorry for the quality of some pictures, I'll try to get them better later.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 04, 2009, 08:19:28 AM
The last one brought tears in my eyes.... for very first time i see the exactly dress which Sissi was wearing on her last day.... Poor Sissi.... Poor Queen Elisabeth....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 04, 2009, 08:27:58 AM
Yes, it breaks my heart too. You can clearly see the maerk, where the dress was 'penetrated' by the file. She also, really was thin in her last years. In these days we would probably say she had an eating disorder, but from what we know she really did it on purpose to keep her figure.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 04, 2009, 08:46:22 AM
She was thin yes... I wonder how the dress survived for so many years... Almost 2 centuries...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 05, 2009, 11:27:27 AM
She may not have been as beautiful as her sister, but she had very beautiful soul - unlike Sisi.

I don't agree. I cannot say Sisi was an angel but she was not bad either. She was depressed alot, she had to suffer alot and that took much of her strenght. She lost her daughter Sophie, her son Rudolf, and was forced to live by the rules of her mother-in-law. She refused, and therefore was not liked by the 'elder garde' at court. She fought for her life, to live it as she wished, but Sophie did not allow it. She took her children away, and in a way also ruined the marriage. Sis and Franz-Joseph were different yes, but if Archduchess Sophie would have left the couple alone their love might have survived. But she just was depressed alot and sensed that the 'Old World' was coming to an end. Also the fact that she lost her son, while she just realised ho much they were alike, did not much good. Her life was full of tragedy and all of that made her depressed.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: synnadene on January 05, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
She may not have been as beautiful as her sister, but she had very beautiful soul - unlike Sisi.

I don't agree. I cannot say Sisi was an angel but she was not bad either. She was depressed alot, she had to suffer alot and that took much of her strenght. She lost her daughter Sophie, her son Rudolf, and was forced to live by the rules of her mother-in-law. She refused, and therefore was not liked by the 'elder garde' at court. She fought for her life, to live it as she wished, but Sophie did not allow it. She took her children away, and in a way also ruined the marriage. Sis and Franz-Joseph were different yes, but if Archduchess Sophie would have left the couple alone their love might have survived. But she just was depressed alot and sensed that the 'Old World' was coming to an end. Also the fact that she lost her son, while she just realised ho much they were alike, did not much good. Her life was full of tragedy and all of that made her depressed.

However I like Elisabeth, but I have to say, that she wasn't the only one in the XIX. Century, who lost one or more of her children and had to live by the rules of somebody... so it is worthless to favour her in sympathy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 05, 2009, 12:02:54 PM
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 05, 2009, 12:27:04 PM
However I like Elisabeth, but I have to say, that she wasn't the only one in the XIX. Century, who lost one or more of her children and had to live by the rules of somebody... so it is worthless to favour her in sympathy.

Ofcourse, but that is why I admire her and like her because she stood up for her own life, that is what makes me love her, the fact that she had the courage to stand op to people who tried to keep her down.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 05, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. I´m not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 05, 2009, 03:06:42 PM
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. I´m not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.

Hi everyone!
I have read about her and her relatives also plenty of books.
I feel sorry for her because, she got married so young and lost her yought so prematurely. Always makes me sad, when I read, that she couldn't find rest and something still forced her to go "from place to place". And horrible conditions of her death...But I don't think, that her fate was so "awful".
In that times, when marriage was considered for "business" not only among royal and noble families, she was in the contrary lucky. Because definitely is not matter of course to have loving, devoted husband. And I think, Franz Josef was such a husband, although he couldn't really understand her and her feelings. Their characters and ways of their upbringing were too different...
But despite of this, he always supported her hobbies, travelling and other whims, although he was not able followed her and shared her interests.
It seams to me, that their marriage, wasn't so bad like is often presented. Although they lived separately most of time, they were still in writing contact.
Who has ever read their letters to each other, knows about what I am takling.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2009, 04:06:47 PM
That is why I said Sisi was disillusioned. By the time she was free to do her liberal work for her country, she lost interest and went for her hobbies.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 05, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. I´m not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.

Excuse me if i sound rude... i didn't mean to.... ofcourse you have read about her... you wouldn't enter this topic if you didn't.... the thing is that i know better for Sissi then for Helena.... i tried looking for Helene but i saw very little.....

That is why I said Sisi was disillusioned. By the time she was free to do her liberal work for her country, she lost interest and went for her hobbies.

Indeed and she missed big part of the childhood of her children...and according to what i know she start affairs with other men....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 05, 2009, 04:44:32 PM
That is why I said Sisi was disillusioned. By the time she was free to do her liberal work for her country, she lost interest and went for her hobbies.

Yes...and she suffered for deep depression

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 06, 2009, 05:36:51 AM
Indeed and she missed big part of the childhood of her children...and according to what i know she start affairs with other men....

There is no proof she had affairs with other men, yes her poetry showed that she indeed had several admirers but wether she really had an affair with one of those, I don't know.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 06, 2009, 06:30:13 AM
Well to what i know she did... According to the book i saw it
Quote from the book "The Habsburgs" (i'm afraid you will find only russian version it's about the whole dynasty)
"She also tolerated, to a certain degree, Franz Joseph's affair with actress Katharina Schratt" Also i see that Franz had affair... And one last quote:
"Sissi finds seclusion in reading,writing,drawing and riding which is her favourite sport and love affairs with other men"
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2009, 08:02:27 AM
It made sense. Sisi was trying to find someone who loves her but made no demands on her (she felt she paid the price of freedom with Franz Josef). In this she was of course disapointed. I also do not believe her affairs were ever fully consumated.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 06, 2009, 09:22:23 AM
Well to what i know she did... According to the book i saw it
Quote from the book "The Habsburgs" (i'm afraid you will find only russian version it's about the whole dynasty)
"She also tolerated, to a certain degree, Franz Joseph's affair with actress Katharina Schratt" Also i see that Franz had affair... And one last quote:
"Sissi finds seclusion in reading,writing,drawing and riding which is her favourite sport and love affairs with other men"

Indeed, Franz had an affair with Frau Schratt but Sisi tolerated and allowed it, simply because she knew Franz loved her and she could not love in return. Sisi indeed had quite a few admirers and had a flirt for sure. One night she went to a masked ball as a 'yellow domino' and had a nice evening with a young man, she had contact with him years later but there it ended. They never met again. There is no proof she really had affairs, and given her problems with sexuality and such I don't think she really had an intimate affair.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 06, 2009, 09:27:51 AM
Aaaaa that's why we missunderstood each other... i only mean affairs (flirt) not intimate affair.... I knew something about that young man... but i couldn't understand one thing.... Did he knew she is the empress?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 06, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
Aaaaa that's why we missunderstood each other... i only mean affairs (flirt) not intimate affair.... I knew something about that young man... but i couldn't understand one thing.... Did he knew she is the empress?

He had suspicions, but never knew for sure. He came to know years later because of someone's memoires if I'm correct. But I should re-check my books for that.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 07, 2009, 01:57:48 AM
Well in my opinion that young man was very very lucky.... to have something with the empress of Bavaria.....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 07, 2009, 05:47:09 AM
Well in my opinion that young man was very very lucky.... to have something with the empress of Bavaria.....

Empress of Austria, Queen of Hongary, Duchess in Bavaria ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 07, 2009, 12:04:53 PM
Well in my opinion that young man was very very lucky.... to have something with the empress of Bavaria.....

Empress of Austria, Queen of Hongary, Duchess in Bavaria ;)

Eeee yes...exactly what i mean........
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 08, 2009, 07:14:02 AM
Ah....
Such a problems i have know... and i really wish to have some friend here which is interest in Romanovs

I tryed to colored the murder of Sissi:
(http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0901/f2/5c6b1661d9d8t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i158/0901/f2/5c6b1661d9d8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 08, 2009, 09:13:45 AM
It didn't turn out best because it was drawing..... and thats why it looks like that....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 08, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
Looks good :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 08, 2009, 12:52:04 PM
At less give you some sort of imagination what exactly happened..... i wil try for future to make it better....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 08, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
Me too.

I myself am working on a series of video's on her. Using several movies(Sissi-trilogy with Romy Schneider, Ludwig II also with Romy, Elisabeth(musical), Sissi L'Imperatrice Rebelle - a more correct, but dramatised, depiction - and the 2 episodes from Fall of Eagles featuring her.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
I saw the Fall of The Eagles. Very good . They can do things technically better now but the acting isstill superb.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
Bakc to the theme ... That portrait i see for very first time in that quality and in frame... It's been always my favourite
(http://hellas.teipir.gr/Thesis/Axilleion/images/eik13.gif)

And here are some which i never saw to be posted,not rare just pictures...
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/eik42.jpg

Another side of the murder
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/eik22.jpg

Franz
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/eik15.jpg
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on January 10, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Two photos showing a mature Sisi:

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/SI.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/maturing.jpg)

Ida Ferenczy said her at the time: "Her Majesty is always good and kind and we are only when she talks to me as before. But she is no longer the same, there is a shadow on her soul. I can not find other word. Because when someone systematically denies the existence of beautiful and noble feelings, how to call it, if not bitterness and cynicism. "
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Laura_ on January 10, 2009, 10:55:56 AM
That portrait i see for very first time in that quality and in frame... It's been always my favourite


Mine too
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 10, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
Haha i like that.....
I have one little question... are there photos of her daughter Sophie which died in her hands?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
No...only shown in a print.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
I saw somewhere that Sophie would be if she grew up a copy to her mother.... she would be a great beauty if she didn't die...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 03:36:14 PM
I colored that little part from Sissi...Looks awful but i did it fast...
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0901/d2/2e6cee32700dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s53.radikal.ru/i141/0901/d2/2e6cee32700d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 05:26:52 PM
Sisi holding mike ?  ice-cream ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 12, 2009, 12:52:45 AM
Sisi holding mike ?  ice-cream ?

A toy for her dog.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 12, 2009, 01:37:49 AM
I saw somewhere that Sophie would be if she grew up a copy to her mother.... she would be a great beauty if she didn't die...

I think that´s little bit too uncertain. The girl diesd when she was two. Children change a lot.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2009, 02:07:41 AM
No.... she looked as little very much like her mother in her childhood thats what i mean...


Eric she is holding a hair brush for her dog :P
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 12, 2009, 06:08:44 AM
Yes, she may have, but you also stated she wold have grown to be copy of Sisi. That´s what I meant is very discutable an duncertain because children really DO change :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 12, 2009, 01:59:07 PM
No.... she looked as little very much like her mother in her childhood thats what i mean...




(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/sophie.jpg)

When I look in this portrait of little Sophie, she does not seem me very much like copy of Sisi.
She had rather blue eyes and fair hair like her father. But hard to say for certain, to whom she would have resembeled, if she grew up.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2009, 02:10:05 PM
O my what a beautiful portrait first time i see little Sophie.... Are there more?
Indeed she don't look much as her mother hmmm wrong info i got.... more like her father.... but Sophie would be prettier then Gisela...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 12, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
I have even this picture of her with her parents...

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/elisfamily1855.jpg)



...and this is detail of the picture above.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/littleSophie.jpg)

I would appreciate to see better and clearer version of that picture, if anybody can post it.
It would be great!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
I see thank you if i found it i will post it
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
That was the print I saw. The portrait was made into a print. Thanks for the portrait of Sophie. Never knew it exited nor reproduced in books that I saw.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 13, 2009, 01:18:29 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/29c75uq.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/oho1vd.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/t71w01.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/24ffhqw.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 13, 2009, 02:05:02 PM
Xixix looks how i know... i have seen the first one here in the net in that book... There was a picture of the book and i saw it...Thank you..Here is "Colored Sissi" by me:
(http://i060.radikal.ru/0901/9e/4d2fbca5833ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i060.radikal.ru/0901/9e/4d2fbca5833f.jpg.html)

Could it be better...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 02:06:47 PM
Beautiful..

I should retry on colorising a few, I tried Queen Astrid of Belgium a while back.

And what a rare pictures, from that book, never saw them either.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 13, 2009, 02:20:35 PM
Indeed it's rare...
Thank by the way...
This for all Sissi's fans and for Reni to say thanks for the wonderful photos:
(http://i077.radikal.ru/0901/18/5542f97f9523t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i077.radikal.ru/0901/18/5542f97f9523.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 14, 2009, 09:43:30 AM
(http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/0901/4a/dc6355a44829t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s49.radikal.ru/i125/0901/4a/dc6355a44829.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 12:08:39 PM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/1898Sisiophaardoodsbed.jpg)
Sisi on her deathbed

Now I wonder, I saw this picture before but is it actualy real? Or from some kind of ilistration? It could be real, since there are pictures of Rudolf on his deathbed, and the same goes for the Belgian Queen Astrid and her father-in-law King Albert I, so it seemed to be common in the past. Now I wonder, does anyone know if this is real?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Veronica on January 14, 2009, 12:18:13 PM
Actually, that picture is from a movie...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
Okay, I saw it before somewhere, but never knew if it was real or not.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 14, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
It's from one great movie... I used it in my videos...
Well you can easy understand is it real or not... just when you know she didn't want to took pictures of her in her last days and so nobody will allowed to take picture of her in her dying day....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
True, ofcourse, but in those days it seemed common, they did it with Rudolf and years later with Queen Astrid of Belgium... But then again, it was known she didn't want pictures to be published of her in her later days, and probably Franz would have not allowed pictures to be taken
 
Is it a correct movie then?

I am so jealous, and curious, could use it for my tributes then maybe. If I'd know from what movie it is,

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 14, 2009, 02:10:07 PM
I'm not on my computer now and i can't see the title (it was something little bit long)
The movie is correct just it's b&w because i think it's taken in the 30s
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
Is it a spoken movie? I've seen parts on youtube from a b&w-one from 1921, silent. I would love to see it,a s I love Classics :D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Yea,

IrinaAlexandrovna, could you tell us more about it, when you have the time?
I would love to see a correct depiction on her life, and maybe this is.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 15, 2009, 09:32:23 AM
I'm so angry of myself when my whole files were deleted the movie was deleted too.... I promise to 24 hours i will give you the name of the movie... Back to the theme:
Can i have those two images in better and bigger version:
(http://i002.radikal.ru/0901/4a/a90aad0360aet.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i002.radikal.ru/0901/4a/a90aad0360ae.jpg.html)
(http://i066.radikal.ru/0901/98/7f0afde4407ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i066.radikal.ru/0901/98/7f0afde4407f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 16, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/wt7xmo.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 12:51:16 PM
Wow Rani thanks i have never seen it before.... Which year is taken?

Imperial_Grounds sorry for my mistake
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 16, 2009, 01:53:47 PM
Wow Rani thanks i have never seen it before.... Which year is taken?



Hmmm. I don´t know. I would say in the early 60s.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 04:58:49 PM
(http://i060.radikal.ru/0901/9e/4d2fbca5833ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i060.radikal.ru/0901/9e/4d2fbca5833f.jpg.html)

As i did that one i did that too...
(http://i077.radikal.ru/0901/bb/6ecbc86e4c0ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i077.radikal.ru/0901/bb/6ecbc86e4c0f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 17, 2009, 05:12:05 AM
Thank you very much for the wonderful photo... Continue posting pictures...

I believe it´s a painting not a photo, but you´re right. It´s really beautiful :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on January 17, 2009, 09:46:16 AM
I love this portrait of Elizabeth made in 1883 based on photographs by Anton Romako died prematurely in unclear circumstances in Vienna in 1889 :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/painting.jpg)


Detail :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/original.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 17, 2009, 10:29:12 AM
And so i was in the library today and i found those photos in some books of the royal families....

This was named as Maria Vecera and Rudolf dead:
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/90/7ab59285612bt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/90/7ab59285612b.jpg.html)

This was named as Rudolf (sorry for the quality)
(http://i075.radikal.ru/0901/1f/344a683d8d63t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i075.radikal.ru/0901/1f/344a683d8d63.jpg.html)
And that one too
(http://s60.radikal.ru/i168/0901/32/98fcbaf810c0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s60.radikal.ru/i168/0901/32/98fcbaf810c0.jpg.html)

There is more i will upload them... One portrait of Rudolf again
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 10:22:21 PM
Like I said 100 times, I don't find this nasty woman beautiful! Yes, she pretty, I don't see whats the fuss is about.

And as GD Ally don/'t like the sentence "no it's not that" and etc.... i really don't like somebody to go to topic and said some sort of "what you like about her,yes she was pretty and? "
Never said Sissi is holy.... She had a life... she was queen... and we must know even if it's little about her.. OK you don 't like her.. but when i'm not a fan of some royal family for example i just don't go there and write.....

P:S If i was shoting on you i was going to write with big type...Saying it very normal...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 18, 2009, 11:10:57 PM
OK, but that was my opinion.

I found her to be nasty and not as beautiful as other people see her, but am fascinating by her life and strangely she one of my favorite royals.

I can write anything I want about her, I don't care if someone didn't like Elena Vladimirovna and called her nasty or says they hate Tokio Hotel or called a princess or a queen whom i think are very pretty ladies fat,  that there opinion!


"P:S If i was shoting on you i was going to write with big type...Saying it very normal... " what?  ???
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: synnadene on January 19, 2009, 03:59:08 AM

Elisabeth's aunt, Queen Amalie of Saxony, lost 6 of her children. It is far more depressive I think, and Amalie would not become a "martyr". Even the Archduchess Sophie lost two of her children, her only daughter, and Ferdinand Max.

Sisi may suffered a lot, but not more as other woman at that time in her family... I don't want to hurt Elisabeth, but I don't like, when somebody is soo pity of her and ONLY her, it is not fair.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 19, 2009, 05:51:25 AM
Sisi And Gackl:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/gackel1.jpg)

Sisi and Franz:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8779/54654kn2.jpg)

Sisi with the Tsarina:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3897/25434mh8.jpg)

Sisi with Ex-Empress Eugénie:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5752/b10089503t10089508lt7.jpg)

Elisabeth on a horse with other people (she is on the left)
And does anyone have a better version of this one?:
(http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/903/elisabeth3onbekendbb9.jpg)


Elisabeth with family (I also want a better Quality of this on):
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4156/sissiandsiblingshs9.jpg)

Elisabeth with her Ladies in waiting (she is the one with her bag in the Camera):
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8774/b9305821t9305826ix2.jpg)

And doe anyone has a better Quality of the pictures from this sesion:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1796/115xm9.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 06:46:35 AM

Elisabeth's aunt, Queen Amalie of Saxony, lost 6 of her children. It is far more depressive I think, and Amalie would not become a "martyr". Even the Archduchess Sophie lost two of her children, her only daughter, and Ferdinand Max.

Sisi may suffered a lot, but not more as other woman at that time in her family... I don't want to hurt Elisabeth, but I don't like, when somebody is soo pity of her and ONLY her, it is not fair.

I'm not in pity only about her... There are many queens which had lost their children....


The photo You want Madame-Sissi

(http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/a2/fe6d577217eft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/a2/fe6d577217ef.jpg.html)

Scaned.... I think it's just the photo and thats why we can't see the face....

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 06:52:11 AM
And doe anyone has a better Quality of the pictures from this sesion:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1796/115xm9.jpg)

Here is other taken that day... No better version..
(http://i002.radikal.ru/0901/27/d9c49e418fd0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i002.radikal.ru/0901/27/d9c49e418fd0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 19, 2009, 06:56:35 AM
IrinaAlexandrovna from which book did u get those pictures?
and where can i buy it?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 06:59:15 AM
It's big book for the whole dynasty Habsburgs.... it's called "The Habsburgs" i found it in our library... From Which country are you?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 19, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
@ IrinaAlexandrovna :
Im from holland.. i hope they got that book in the library here :p..
is it with much pictures of Sisi and her Family?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 19, 2009, 10:32:04 AM

Elisabeth's aunt, Queen Amalie of Saxony, lost 6 of her children. It is far more depressive I think, and Amalie would not become a "martyr". Even the Archduchess Sophie lost two of her children, her only daughter, and Ferdinand Max.

Sisi may suffered a lot, but not more as other woman at that time in her family... I don't want to hurt Elisabeth, but I don't like, when somebody is soo pity of her and ONLY her, it is not fair.

Archduchess Sophie lost actually 3 children: Maria Anna (1835-40), Stillborn son (1840) and Ferdinand Max (1832-1867).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 01:07:38 PM
@ IrinaAlexandrovna :
Im from holland.. i hope they got that book in the library here :p..
is it with much pictures of Sisi and her Family?

Almost all pictures of Sissi i have from there... and because it's big i still find new new... There was one of Sophie too.. i uploaded it in her section..

Sounds like a good book to be had.

Yes it is i still can't read it whole... Usually i sit on the floor and look it but on the 20 i get tired from so much information....
I think the last one affected her more deeply...

You are very welcome :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 19, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/egxw6s.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh9smg.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2d2jbck.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 20, 2009, 01:14:26 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/nfs1ns.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hyibde.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:30:49 PM
Yes...It was her favourite home.

I can see why.... What a lovely home she had... but to what i know her mother was very strict with her...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
I can see why.... What a lovely home she had... but to what i know her mother was very strict with her...

Indeed, Ludovika was with all of her children(really well don in "Sophie - Sissi's Kleine Schwester). Like her sister, Sophie - the Archduchess - , the name of the family was more important then her own happiness, or that of her children. She supported them, cared for them deeply, but was really strict in their upbringing. Max was the one who wanted his children to have a more free upbringing.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:48:26 PM
Sisi was not that close with Sophie. She was closest with Nene & Marie.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
Yes thats what i meant.... Because the age difference wasn't so big...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:54:12 PM
Later there was jealousy for Ludwig II, who preferred Sisi to Sophie.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
Later there was jealousy for Ludwig II, who preferred Sisi to Sophie.

Indeed, they were not that close. Yet they had, as most of their sisters, a tragic life(Queen Marie of Napels, Nene, Sophie, Elisabeth - as far as I know), and a tragic death. Sisi was, as everyone would be, completely shocked because of Sophie's death(in one of my book it's beautifuly mentioned - fiction but really good: Ludwig II, who has died, apears to Sisi and mentions one of their loved-ones will die and that the three of them will share eternity. Later Sophie dies and Sisi realises her end is becoming near. Fiction as I said, but really beautiful. The book really shows how complex Sisi's character was.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 01:07:08 PM
Later there was jealousy for Ludwig II, who preferred Sisi to Sophie.

Am... Did he realize that he prefer Sissi to Sophie,after she become queen?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 22, 2009, 01:10:12 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/id7u5j.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2befma.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/6icw0j.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 23, 2009, 06:14:59 AM
(http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/1d/b065ebbffad1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/1d/b065ebbffad1.jpg.html)
(http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/0901/ce/b76db0273dbat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s56.radikal.ru/i152/0901/ce/b76db0273dba.jpg.html)

Sissi&Carlota
(http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0901/f5/8e64386047cat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i157/0901/f5/8e64386047ca.jpg.html)
(http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0901/e9/1cf1ac1e81bbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s41.radikal.ru/i093/0901/e9/1cf1ac1e81bb.jpg.html)

Sissi,Franz and two of their children... Gisela and Rudolf
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i139/0901/27/5b09e1219f25t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s53.radikal.ru/i139/0901/27/5b09e1219f25.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2009, 08:48:24 AM
Do you have the complete picture of the one with Sisi looking down ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 23, 2009, 08:51:47 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/ErzsE9bet20kirE1lynE920DeE1k20Feren.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2009, 09:16:39 AM
Is the spirit of Sisi recieving her dead husband ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 23, 2009, 09:36:48 AM
Is the spirit of Sisi recieving her dead husband ?


The dead man is Ferenc Deák. It´s a picture of Zichy Mihály.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 23, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
Is the spirit of Sisi recieving her dead husband ?

I think here Sissi is alive and she is probably giving him last words..... And the portrait shows how the angel is comming for  Ferenc... The other woman i don't know....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 25, 2009, 04:22:17 AM
I think it means something like ornament.....

Here is Elisabeth's desk in Achilleion
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0901/5a/73956f33ee49t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i127/0901/5a/73956f33ee49.jpg.html)

Can you imagine she was sitting there..... I would love to see it with my own eyes

Jennifer the portrait you post  has many other variant:
(http://i062.radikal.ru/0901/d1/b240c04c1f22t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i062.radikal.ru/0901/d1/b240c04c1f22.jpg.html)
(http://s47.radikal.ru/i116/0901/3a/1e37b9ac497ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s47.radikal.ru/i116/0901/3a/1e37b9ac497c.jpg.html)

That one is little bit diffrent
(http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/0901/a2/d008cc28423ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s52.radikal.ru/i136/0901/a2/d008cc28423c.jpg.html)

And others which you can find in the old thread....The one you posted i have seen it in wikipedia too......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 25, 2009, 06:40:56 AM
I'm sorry can somebody post more pictures of Sissi as child i mean before 16 :) Thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 25, 2009, 04:30:16 PM




(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/GeorgRaab.jpg)

Drawing by Georg Raab.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 06:04:15 AM
(http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0901/be/86e870e8452ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i158/0901/be/86e870e8452f.jpg.html)
One of my favourite.....
I asked before but Rani,Susan do you have it? I have other from the same session but that one not bigger and clearer.... Thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 26, 2009, 09:27:13 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/nfs1ns.jpg)

O Rani thank you so much for the first one...
Is the Hungarian coronation dress in Godollo ?

I think Madame-Sisi will now for sure but i think  it is that dress ....

It's a Replica because the real crownation dress didn't survive..like most of her dresses.. But the replica is in Gödöllö i thought.
In the Sisi museum in vienna is the real dress she weared when she was being murdered, u can see the whole in it..so sad...but the other dresses there are also replica's.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 09:29:36 AM
Thank you very much for the Information.... Yesit's a pity most of her dresses didn't survived.... I have other question... Did her riding one survived?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 26, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
IrinaAlexandrovna that last picture You posted is fake..a retouche..
the face is from these picture session:
(http://www.mayerling.de/images/sisi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
Thank you very much Madame Sissi  when i look closer i can see blur brush used ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 01:08:45 PM
Sisi'sskin became tighter as she grew older. Did she went for some nip tuck ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
I don't think so....To what i know she accept her self beautiful until almost 40 in her last years she didn't want to take pictures of her..... After 30 her skin became how can i say it.... "tired'  and her body too.... because she didn't eat good food she got oh i don't know how it on english... on bulgarian is "anoreksiya"
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 01:17:19 PM
I heard she did some porcelaine thing to her skin...need to follow up on that.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 01:18:47 PM
Under her skin?Or...  i heard this for very first time....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Some sort of beauty treatment that did not end up as good as expected. I think after that, she did not attempt any more photos.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 01:24:16 PM
Possible... or it was because of the age?She wanted people to remember her how she was... beautiful.... Not like old woman...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
I think both...Had it been successful, she might be more accessable. But the failure robbed any opportunity otherwise.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 26, 2009, 04:47:05 PM
Sorry if these has been posted before

 (http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5683/sissi4dj9.jpg)

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8476/sissi7fr1.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
I think both...Had it been successful, she might be more accessable. But the failure robbed any opportunity otherwise.

I agree..... About her skin ... she wasn't very dark....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2009, 10:45:48 AM
No...But course and weather-beaten by riding on horseback and walking outdoors...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
This will always happen... i mean in the summer because of the sun you know we get complexion(?) so i think she did too
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2009, 11:39:09 AM
Yes, but ladies usually wear hats, veils, parasols to block out the sun's harmful rays...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 12:42:23 PM
Here you go what i found:
(http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/0901/db/177c005cceabt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s40.radikal.ru/i087/0901/db/177c005cceab.jpg.html)
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/42/b1740bdf0d89t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/42/b1740bdf0d89.jpg.html)
(http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0901/cc/2d80dfadb185t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s40.radikal.ru/i090/0901/cc/2d80dfadb185.jpg.html)
(http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/0901/10/48f36deac57at.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s58.radikal.ru/i162/0901/10/48f36deac57a.jpg.html)
(http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0901/ad/0d00faabdcfct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s55.radikal.ru/i149/0901/ad/0d00faabdcfc.jpg.html)
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/0901/99/160b0039a6d2t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i114/0901/99/160b0039a6d2.jpg.html)
(http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/a3/ea17f4d94e84t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/a3/ea17f4d94e84.jpg.html)
(http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/0901/9c/b5e55fea53e7t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s43.radikal.ru/i101/0901/9c/b5e55fea53e7.jpg.html)
(http://s58.radikal.ru/i160/0901/67/be6f9e8b976dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s58.radikal.ru/i160/0901/67/be6f9e8b976d.jpg.html)
(http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0901/09/f91e074b348bt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s43.radikal.ru/i102/0901/09/f91e074b348b.jpg.html)
(http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0901/37/fb563aa16c0at.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s56.radikal.ru/i151/0901/37/fb563aa16c0a.jpg.html)

And there are more

P:S sorry if those are not rare...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2009, 02:56:39 PM

I ve found another illustration of sissi` s murder

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1znsn6g.jpg)

And here s the  murderer

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2qt93qv.jpg)



Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 02:59:47 PM
They many illustrations but none of them can be prove and none disprove... Her the background is diffrent and to what i have seen theya re where she is on bridge other in little street and etc....

P:S Look closer and you will see carnation ... this is if i'm not wrong symbol of dead..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
Sissi with hungarian costume

(http://i41.tinypic.com/292us77.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
Looks like from the puffy and sick session with the light colour dress...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 10:27:18 PM
Indeed and there couple more from that day...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2009, 09:28:05 AM
I found it strange that the sick woman chose to take photos on her bad day ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 28, 2009, 11:24:25 AM
Sometimes vanity or duty are stronger than any disease ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 28, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1867-1.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/kais.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/braut.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/braut4.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/brut2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on January 29, 2009, 03:44:15 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/emprel.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/withhorse3-1.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/youngcouple54.jpg)

Would be nice to see those pictures in larger version and last one without watermark.
Does anybody have it?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 04:20:41 AM
I have the first too but i think you won't like the quality....  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2009, 10:53:37 AM
The reason why she was assassinated was not legible. Why is that they have to kill such wonderful person!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 10:58:36 AM
Because Luidjy Lukeni(?) was anarchist he got some idea in his head that by killing Elisabeth he will stop the monarchy or something like that... Which is very stupid....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 11:32:49 AM
Since Olga_Maria is one of fans of my colorings the first picture colored by me :
(http://i010.radikal.ru/0901/8c/7b61b2dc09cft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i010.radikal.ru/0901/8c/7b61b2dc09cf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: REMI on January 29, 2009, 01:21:40 PM
The reason why she was assassinated was not legible. Why is that they have to kill such wonderful person!

Luigi Lucheni thought  to meet the Duke of Orléans vho was in Geneva and to kill him.But when he arrived, the french Prince was already gone away. Then, the murder read in a newspaper that the Empress was at the hôtel Beau-Rivage. He waited for her all day. It was by chance that Sissi was killed...Lucheni said that he would kill any V.I.P, a person of royal blood, preferably....

REMI 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2009, 01:27:58 PM
Yes...It was said that Sisi had a death wish to be freed from her tired and sad existance...In a way, death found her...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Paola on January 30, 2009, 02:53:32 AM
Elisabeth was for long time a sad, depressed and tortured woman. She spoke often about death. I think she was longing for it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 03:18:56 AM
Oh gosh! Why is she thinking about that?
Maybe it's because of her royal duties. Those make her tired.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 03:32:30 AM
She got to many losts and she was tired....Probably thats why she was waiting for death to come.....

Oh My Guh! She's so pretty! Thank you, Elizie! Thank you soo much!
(I'm really one of those who love your colorings!)

You are welcome...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 06:06:29 AM
She got to many losts and she was tired....Probably thats why she was waiting for death to come.....


I agree, the loss of Rudolf was the final blow,
she just longed to death after his death,
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Paola on January 30, 2009, 06:31:08 AM
And after Rudolph's death came the ones of her mother, her favorite sister Helene and finally her younger sister Sophie. All this was too much for her plus her melancholic depressed character and her rigid diets  did't help her much.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 06:36:08 AM
This is really i alot.....How Helene died?I don't know very much about her....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 07:06:52 AM
And after Rudolph's death came the ones of her mother, her favorite sister Helene and finally her younger sister Sophie. All this was too much for her plus her melancholic depressed character and her rigid diets  did't help her much.

Rigid diets to stay in shape or was she doing it because she's depressed?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 07:14:44 AM
This is really i alot.....How Helene died?I don't know very much about her....

I think Helene was sick, I know Sisi was warned a bit before and that Marie Valerie noted the event in her diary:
Quote
She became very ill with stomach cancer in 1890, and her sister Elisabeth hurried to her side. Elisabeth was the last person to speak with Helene. Elisabeth's daughter Marie Valerie related in her diary, "Aunt Néné ... was glad to see Mama and said to her, 'Old Sisi' -- she and Mama almost always spoke English together. 'We two have had hard puffs in our lives,' said Mama. 'Yes, but we had hearts,' replied Aunt Néné."

*Wikipedia
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 07:15:19 AM
Rigid diets to stay in shape or was she doing it because she's depressed?

Well from those diets she got ill... And she was so thin in her last years.... I'm not sure but i think in her whole life she didn't got healthy eating...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 07:18:27 AM
This is really i alot.....How Helene died?I don't know very much about her....

I think Helene was sick, I know Sisi was warned a bit before and that Marie Valerie noted the event in her diary:
[quote author]
She became very ill with stomach cancer in 1890, and her sister Elisabeth hurried to her side. Elisabeth was the last person to speak with Helene. Elisabeth's daughter Marie Valerie related in her diary, "Aunt Néné ... was glad to see Mama and said to her, 'Old Sisi' -- she and Mama almost always spoke English together. 'We two have had hard puffs in our lives,' said Mama. 'Yes, but we had hearts,' replied Aunt Néné."

Ooo i see thank you for the information...Wil you give me a link?

*Wikipedia
[/quote]
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 07:19:23 AM
What a pitiful Sissi. She received many tragedies. (Teary-eyed)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 07:25:50 AM
Indeed she got hard life and thats why she wanted death to come faster..... But there was one story what you wish very much in the end is happening.....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
Indeed...After she settled Valerie's marriage, Sisi began a mindless travel until her death.

Why did she long for it ? Guilt about Rudolf...Lost of love and beauty...lack of purpose after the Hungarian project.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
Thanks

Eric when the site is finished i will give you link to see it and read everything which i wrote... You remember we had conversation about the ladies in waiting.... The closes ones were Maria Festetics and Ida Ferenci i mention them in her biography i have picture of Maria
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
Thanks ! Looking forward to them...

Sisi was forever looking for her dreams...in Hungary and Greece...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 11:09:41 AM
Yes and people from Austrian court were impressed by her love to Hungary... And people in Hungary loved her....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
Lost of love and beauty..


Did she ever lose her beauty? I think she didn't for she still looks pretty to me.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 03:36:26 PM
She didn't want to take photos of her when she became old...She wanted people to remember her beautiful what she was....So there are no pictures of her in her last years....And i would want the same when i get older... Just thinking like her....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 04:24:03 PM

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0002.jpg)
A little-known picture of the Empress, sitting on the left with gray hair. On the back you can see one of her famous Winterhalter-paintings

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/paar06.jpg)
Last known picture of the Emperor and Empress, taken in Kissingen, 1898. Posted earlier by Princess Susan

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0001.jpg)
The last known picture of the Empress in Territet, together with Countess Irma Sztaray


(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0003.jpg)
The ensemble the Empress wore the day she died, september 10th 1898. A mark left by the file can be clearly seen


I've got all pictures and information from the next two books:
'Elisabeth' by Martin Ross.
'Sisi, Haunted by Destiny' by Wim Ewalt.

Both books are only available in dutch I am afraid.

Sorry for the quality of some pictures, I'll try to get them better later.


My scanner is acting up, thus I cannot redo the first picture, shall see if I found a different way to post it.

So you were the one who post it...Thanks....

Didn't we discuss her dress for a while, the one she wore the day she died? On how thin she must have been.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
Yes i remember ...It's again strange to see Sissi with gray hair....She was only 60.... Not to old...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
Yes i remember ...It's again strange to see Sissi with gray hair....She was only 60.... Not to old...

True, but remember that now people often colorise their hair when it starts to turn gray. Back then that was, most likely, not possible.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 04:32:17 PM
Yes indeed if they could i'm sure she would do the same :D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 30, 2009, 05:19:03 PM
Thanks so much!! she looks weird with grey hair :-O
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 06:17:24 PM
She's so thin based on the dress Imperial Grounds posted here.
It's also weird to imagine Sissi looking old.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 30, 2009, 06:27:26 PM
anyone is thin using  a tight laced corset......believe me! (im not telling thatr sissi wasnt thin but tight laced corsets made her look even  thinner ! )
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on January 30, 2009, 07:02:31 PM
Yeah, that's their fashion before..
Catherine Medici of France even wanted all heer ladies-in-waiting to have waistlines of 13 inches only! No exceptions.
Whoaaa! Sorry, off topic. ( :
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 05:02:23 AM
anyone is thin using  a tight laced corset......believe me! (im not telling thatr sissi wasnt thin but tight laced corsets made her look even  thinner ! )

Her waist was always 51 sm so yes it's not only the corset :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on January 31, 2009, 06:05:15 AM


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/youngcouple54.jpg)

Would be nice to see those pictures in larger version and last one without watermark.
Does anybody have it?

[/quote]


(http://i42.tinypic.com/152zzg4.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/29dd9x1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Austria is very proud with Sissi...... When i saw her memorial i felt little sad but i see that many respects her which is wonderful
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
She wasn't always popular when she was alive though...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 04:33:38 PM
Yes but it would be a shame to live in Austria and not to know your own history...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 01, 2009, 03:20:40 AM
I have the last one as a postcard...still cheap to buy in Vienna.

I have seen in Vienna plenty of postcard, but unfortunatelly not this one which is my favorite. :(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 01, 2009, 09:31:39 AM
I totally adore the pictures from that session
(http://s44.radikal.ru/i106/0902/89/17b5bd47a858t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s44.radikal.ru/i106/0902/89/17b5bd47a858.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Lucien on February 02, 2009, 02:42:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNesyZik-oc&feature=related

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 04, 2009, 05:54:55 AM
I totally adore the pictures from that session
(http://s44.radikal.ru/i106/0902/89/17b5bd47a858t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s44.radikal.ru/i106/0902/89/17b5bd47a858.jpg.html)

I love this, too! Thanks for this, Elizie!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2009, 10:04:07 AM
Sisi liked her big dogs...in fact they were given free rein in Possehofen, much to the digust of her ladies.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 04, 2009, 01:04:42 PM
Yes i know that fact..... :)

You are welcome :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
Indeed...That was a well know fact. But do you know their names (except Shadow we knew) and where are they buried ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 04, 2009, 02:49:22 PM
Well i have to check about the names...I don't know where they buried them..Don't have info
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 05, 2009, 03:28:13 AM
What breeds of dog did she keep?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 05, 2009, 05:47:22 AM
Her dog shaddow and housegard are burried in the gardens of gödöllö..!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 09:12:21 AM
I don't think Shadow was her only dog. She also have them in Vienna and Laxenburg.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 05, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
No Shadow wasn't her only dog...i have seen at less 4 on pictures.....So they maybe are more....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 05, 2009, 01:04:27 PM
No Shadow wasn't her only dog...i have seen at less 4 on pictures.....So they maybe are more....

I believe reading somewhere she had 6 or 7 - not sure though, fact is that she let her dogs dine with her(at the table)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
I think in Possehoffen and maybe Godollo, but definitely not in the Hofburg.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 05, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
No, the Court Etiquette would not allow her to do that.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 05, 2009, 02:03:59 PM
No Shadow wasn't her only dog...i have seen at less 4 on pictures.....So they maybe are more....

I believe reading somewhere she had 6 or 7 - not sure though, fact is that she let her dogs dine with her(at the table)

Wow thats new...I have 7 little dogs but they do not dinner with me on the table..... lol
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 02:04:31 PM
Indeed. It would be hard for her to be with her dogs in dress and jewels...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 05, 2009, 02:05:14 PM
No Shadow wasn't her only dog...i have seen at less 4 on pictures.....So they maybe are more....
Read it in several books so it shall be true,

I believe reading somewhere she had 6 or 7 - not sure though, fact is that she let her dogs dine with her(at the table)

Wow thats new...I have 7 little dogs but they do not dinner with me on the table..... lol
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: aor on February 05, 2009, 02:39:53 PM
I have read that the Empress Elisabeth's mother dined with many of her pooches....... She was accustomed to de-flea the dogs and put the dead fleas on a dinner plate on the table....... the Empress' ladies in waiting would watch this with disgust.......Oh well ;D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 03:54:56 PM
It started in Possehofen...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 05, 2009, 03:59:16 PM
No Shadow wasn't her only dog...i have seen at less 4 on pictures.....So they maybe are more....
Read it in several books so it shall be true,

I believe reading somewhere she had 6 or 7 - not sure though, fact is that she let her dogs dine with her(at the table)

Wow thats new...I have 7 little dogs but they do not dinner with me on the table..... lol

Forgot my reply - shame on me. Well it is odd to imagine her dining with her dogs too, can you imagine
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 05, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Forgot my reply - shame on me. Well it is odd to imagine her dining with her dogs too, can you imagine

I really can't imagine..... I asked you but i will ask the others...Is it true Sisi got tatoo?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
I don't think so. Sisi is not a sailors's girl. She was more a horse woman.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
Yea, I only read that once and saw it in "The Crown Prince - but you noticed it is quite romanticised too, and I think the tattoo was more to show Sisi's nature, how she went in agains the court and all. Don't think she had one, it's possible but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 06, 2009, 02:40:25 AM
Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 06, 2009, 02:48:13 AM
I think, she had apart from Schadow and Horseguard, dog which was named Pluto (or similiar name).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
She did had an anchor tattood on her shoulder..
in her later years she didn't do much horse riding and traveled alot through the oceans..with heavy storms she was the only one on deck and her ladies in waiting (irma sztaray wrote it in her book) got seesick and Sisi even once said she rather like to be on a boat with people who were convicted to death cause they got nothing to lose...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 06, 2009, 07:35:07 AM
She did had an anchor tattood on her shoulder..
in her later years she didn't do much horse riding and traveled alot through the oceans..with heavy storms she was the only one on deck and her ladies in waiting (irma sztaray wrote it in her book) got seesick and Sisi even once said she rather like to be on a boat with people who were convicted to death cause they got nothing to lose...

Worse thought. I never thought she'd be saying this (though I would be saying this to myself, too)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 07:42:41 AM
but it does make sense.. when the ship hits a storm and they are gonna sink.. they do have nothing to loose cause the would be dead anyway..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 06, 2009, 08:37:26 AM
um um..You're correct.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 10:06:02 AM
No wonder they say she was eccentic...Where did you find that she had a tatoo ? ...it wasn't in most books published about her.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 06, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
I think it's actually rare information about the tatoo...But since i saw it in the movie i wanted to ask :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: aor on February 06, 2009, 10:32:08 AM
I had heard rumors but could not find anything to confirm till I saw 'The Crownprince'. The historian Ms. Hamann was a consultant for this movie and also she mentions it again in the link to the ZDF in the other thread.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 06, 2009, 10:36:51 AM
Hmm i saw it in the "Crown Prince" too and asked Imperial_Grounds but he couldn't find anything in his books.....So i think it may be possible she to have...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 11:13:58 AM
Maybe we could ask the historian where he got the information. The Doctor who examined the empress's dead body ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on February 06, 2009, 11:43:26 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/sissi4-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
its also shown that she has that tattoo in the documentation show on a DVD u can by in schönnbrun its called the enigma of an empress..
Here a short trailer from youtube about that DVD..here you can see the anchor tattood on her shoulder:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY)
.. and in the book of brigitte hamann and other books but i dont remember the names
even her daughter marie-valerie wrote it in her diary..
I got the diary so i will look for the text in it..
i will write it here(translated to english):

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder, what i think is so original and not so horrible. " oh no", sighed mama, "i rather cried about an other suprise".
papa: "well?". Mama: "she(marie valerie)wants to tell Franz( franz salvator), that he her chosen one is.".
Papa in a short manner : "What does that mean?"...

and so it goes on...

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 03:35:01 PM
When and where did she do it ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 03:42:29 PM
in corfu end of september she went to corfu and returned to miramare on 30 november so between that time
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 03:45:51 PM
So it is true. I saw the trailer, seems to be good and I've seen it three times now so it should be true, and if Brigitte Hamann said she had one it is probably true since she is one of the best historians on her life.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 03:51:15 PM
So it is true. I saw the trailer, seems to be good and I've seen it three times now so it should be true, and if Brigitte Hamann said she had one it is probably true since she is one of the best historians on her life.
yes and its in the diary of sisi's daughter as you can see ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
In Corfu, then she did it much later in life and not as a young woman.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
as you can see in my other reply with the text from her daughters diary it was in 1888.. so yes it was in her older years..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 03:14:12 AM
its also shown that she has that tattoo in the documentation show on a DVD u can by in schönnbrun its called the enigma of an empress..
Here a short trailer from youtube about that DVD..here you can see the anchor tattood on her shoulder:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY)
.. and in the book of brigitte hamann and other books but i dont remember the names
even her daughter marie-valerie wrote it in her diary..
I got the diary so i will look for the text in it..
i will write it here(translated to english):

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder, what i think is so original and not so horrible. " oh no", sighed mama, "i rather cried about an other suprise".
papa: "well?". Mama: "she(marie valerie)wants to tell Franz( franz salvator), that he her chosen one is.".
Papa in a short manner : "What does that mean?"...

and so it goes on...

 

And so it is true...
I'm just surprised because even before, tattoo is  already a common thing in the world but not totally accepted in Royal Protocols.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 07, 2009, 04:41:46 AM
Madame-Sisi

For very first time i see this:

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder...........
 

I always thought it's on German but good to see english version by you(?)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 07, 2009, 05:19:55 AM
@ Ingrid Alexie:
Yes it was a common thing..but she was extravagant.. and she always did what she wanted not how the court wanted it..so there is another reason..
and its an anchor because she loves the sea.. she even once said that she was the female flying dutchman that sails around the seas..:p

@Irina Alexandrovna :
For all i know is that the book is only in german.. and i have it in german so i translated it to english(but only that part..not the whole book :p) so everyone here on the forum could read it..cause not everybody can speak german..:)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on February 07, 2009, 07:51:22 AM
Elisabeth spent the winter of 1861-1862 in Venice with her mother Ludovika and her two children :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/sig.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/venice.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 07, 2009, 10:22:58 AM
Elisabeth spent the winter of 1861-1862 in Venice with her mother Ludovika and her two children :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/sig.jpg)


Better quality of that one and turn to right:
(http://s58.radikal.ru/i160/0902/d3/a5f5ee0db474t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s58.radikal.ru/i160/0902/d3/a5f5ee0db474.jpg.html)

It's one of my favourite....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 03:44:07 PM
@ Ingrid Alexie:
Yes it was a common thing..but she was extravagant.. and she always did what she wanted not how the court wanted it..so there is another reason..
and its an anchor because she loves the sea.. she even once said that she was the female flying dutchman that sails around the seas..:p

@Irina Alexandrovna :
For all i know is that the book is only in german.. and i have it in german so i translated it to english(but only that part..not the whole book :p) so everyone here on the forum could read it..cause not everybody can speak german..:)

That's so nice of you, Madame-Sisi! Thank you for translating it to English (:
I also thank you for the info you gave us in this post I've quoted.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 07, 2009, 04:08:45 PM
Your very welcome ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
Sisi had great rapport with animals since she was a young girl. She also love horses and parrots too...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 07, 2009, 05:07:43 PM
Yes thats a information which you can find in wikipedia too :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2009, 07:04:32 PM
Yes...But did Wikipedia knew the name of her first horse ? The name of the groom that taught her English ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 11:24:57 PM
Parrots are new information for me. How many did she have?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 08, 2009, 05:52:06 AM
Mmm i can't tell this for sure....Couple or one....not pretty sure.....Imperial_Grounds would know better...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 08, 2009, 06:09:17 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/achillion_palace_drawing.jpg)

Achilleon Palace in Corfu.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/onthehorse.jpg)

Elisabeth on horseback.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 08, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Bustsca1855.jpg)

Busts of Imperial couple ca. 1855

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ca1856FSchrotzberg.jpg)

Franz Joseph in ca. 1856. Portrait by F.Schrotzberg

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 08, 2009, 12:32:39 PM
Mmm i can't tell this for sure....Couple or one....not pretty sure.....Imperial_Grounds would know better...

I don't know how many parrots she had, know she had several bot to say how much. Don't know that, never read anything that says how much she kept.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2009, 11:34:32 AM
I read when she moved into Schronbrunn Palace. One of the few things Franz Josef did early in the marriage was to visit the Zoo there with Sisi, knowing how much she loved animals.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Greenowl on February 11, 2009, 06:14:42 PM
Yes...But did Wikipedia knew the name of her first horse ? The name of the groom that taught her English ?

What was the name of Elisabeth's first horse and the groom who taught her English?

All I know about her parrots was that she brought three with her from Bavaria (perhaps one was a gift from Franz-Joseph??) when she came to Vienna to marry Emperor Franz-Joseph. She was often depressed in the months following her marriage and spent a lot of time in her apartments in the company of the pet parrots. In late June 1854 Archduchess Sophie wrote to Franz-Joseph as follows: "I believe that Sisi ought not to concern herself so much with her parrots. If a woman is always looking at animals, particularly in the first months (of pregnancy), the children are apt to resemble them. It would be better if she looked at herself in the mirror, or at you. That kind of looking would please me". (Her first child, Archduchess Sophie, was born on 5th. March 1855).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 12, 2009, 02:17:06 AM
I'm surprised that they even believed in such superstition.
That may be partly true even nowadays. I saw a lot of cases such that.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Greenowl on February 12, 2009, 03:37:01 AM
It does not surprise me too much, as 150 years ago people were generally far more superstitious than they are today, and as you say, even today there are still some superstitions in evidence.

Cheers,
GREENOWL
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 12, 2009, 10:46:52 PM
Were Franz Josef's siblings also cruel to her?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on February 13, 2009, 12:40:02 AM
Were Franz Josef's siblings also cruel to her?

As I read Ludwig Victor seemed hated Elisabeth, while Karl Ludwig who had hoped to marry her in the beginning of the 1850s was more or less indifferent. As wells as Maximilian I think, that was his belgian wife Charlotte who resented Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 13, 2009, 02:08:12 AM
From all that i never understood why they didn't liked her?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 13, 2009, 06:37:44 AM
Elisabeth disliked most of Habsburg family except her husband, children and brother in law Maximilian.
But I mean, that only Ludwig Victor and Charlotte didn't like her. Ludwig Victor had very complicated and malicious charatcter, therefore many people from the court (not only Sisi) shivered against him an his intrigues. Franz Joseph said about his youngest brother, that he always meddled in affairs of other people.
I think, Charlotte considered her for something less, because she was far more rich bride (daughter of King Leopold I. of Belgium), then Elisabeth ever was. Charlotte was perhaps jealous, that despite of her qualities, Elisabeth was the Empress, not she.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Marc on February 13, 2009, 07:29:23 AM
Well,Charlotte also became an Empress...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 13, 2009, 07:50:13 AM
Itmight have been caused by the two women´s characters. It´s the same as to ask why most members of the ROmanov family didn´t like Alexandra.There was just something about her that made her different andthey were not comfortable with it. I also don´t think Sisi was too tolerant and probably didn´t care about what other´s thought about her.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Princess Susan on February 13, 2009, 09:05:28 AM
Well,Charlotte also became an Empress...

Yes, she became Empress of Mexico but latter and with fatal consequences.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 13, 2009, 10:42:18 AM
Anyway, Charlotte looks so stern and hostile. I'm not wondering why she hates Sissi.
They're both two different worlds.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Veronica on February 13, 2009, 11:08:47 AM
Well, Charlotte was very proud of the fact that she was daughter and grand daughter of kings, while Sisi was only a duchess in Bavaria. That's why Charlotte looked down on Sisi, because of her "humble" origin.
But there was also a certain rivalry and jealousy regarding their beauty. Each one of them wanted to be the most beautiful woman in court.
In adittion, Charlotte was jealous of Sisi's position in court as empress, while Sisi was jealous of the good disposition Archduchess Sophie showed towards Charlotte.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
Yes...Charlotte had the Coburg ambition, she could not understand Sisi lack of interest in her duties as empress.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 15, 2009, 08:15:12 AM
Sisi
(http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0902/52/238f834d1381t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radikal.ru/i122/0902/52/238f834d1381.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on February 21, 2009, 07:54:32 AM
The Empress visiting a popular soup :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/war.jpg)

Sisi greeted by her sister-in-law Charlotte in Miramar :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/withcarlotta.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 21, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/withcarlotta.jpg)

Zoomed:
(http://i070.radikal.ru/0902/6d/7c4fe25e2fdft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i070.radikal.ru/0902/6d/7c4fe25e2fdf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 21, 2009, 10:27:11 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/4lhklc.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 21, 2009, 10:28:27 AM
I think this had been posted by Imperial_Grounds or someone else if i'm not wrong...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 21, 2009, 10:33:21 AM
I found t in one of Sissi  s Myspace. There is tons of pictures of sissi i ve never seen, like this one

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1f8z85.jpg)

Maybe it was posted before by someone else, but i dont remember ¬¬
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Veronica on February 21, 2009, 11:33:51 AM
Nice picture. They are, in order:
Ludwig Victor, Sisi, Helena, Sophie Charlotte and Max Emmanuel
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on February 21, 2009, 03:12:25 PM
I found t in one of Sissi  s Myspace. There is tons of pictures of sissi i ve never seen, like this one

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1f8z85.jpg)

Maybe it was posted before by someone else, but i dont remember ¬¬

Is the second person really Sisi? I think it is Mathilde. Or not?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Rani on February 21, 2009, 03:13:54 PM
http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/preview.php?WGSESSID=bdee2eda31693326792a8e8bacd14f71&UURL=9743323d6118000387b6abe3f7ffe1cf&IMGID=70000801


Sisi, Mathilde, Helene and Karl Theodor. I wish that there are more photos like that in books.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 21, 2009, 03:42:11 PM
It must have taken after Marie gone to Naples.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 22, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
Franz Josef and Sisi meeting Rudolf and Stefanie
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_638aa6a5404f61372e6ba29967b59b90.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/638aa6a5404f61372e6ba29967b59b90.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Veronica on February 22, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/preview.php?WGSESSID=bdee2eda31693326792a8e8bacd14f71&UURL=9743323d6118000387b6abe3f7ffe1cf&IMGID=70000801


Sisi, Mathilde, Helene and Karl Theodor. I wish that there are more photos like that in books.

Thank you Rani, I had seen it before, but it was tiny :-)
I wish I could see a photograph of Sisi with her sister Maria Sophia...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2009, 03:20:45 PM
I don't think I had ever saw one...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 22, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
Yes me too...But why she haven't took photos of her and Marie?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2009, 03:33:15 PM
Beats me. They have ample opportunity. In Bavaria and later in England.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on February 22, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
Maybe, coincidentally, the camera has no film or the camera's lost somewhere.