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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Danish Royal Family => Topic started by: Marc on January 04, 2009, 09:20:54 PM

Title: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on January 04, 2009, 09:20:54 PM
Born as Countess von Aichelberg,Frau von Karlstein(1674 - 1762)...married to Duke Christian Karl von Holstein-Sonderburg-Norburg and created Princess of Denmark in 1722...

Why was she created Princess of Denmark?Something more about her or her family?
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on January 05, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
Plus,she is an ancestor of so many royals including Head of the House of Prussia...I wanted to know why was she created Princess of Denmark when at that time the House of Oldenburg had ''secured'' succession in Denmark of their line...
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on November 28, 2009, 03:37:40 AM
According to Dansk Biografisk Lexikon, King Frederik IV recognized Duke Carl Christian's  son Frederik Christian as of equal, princely birth and able to succeed to the Dukedom of Plön, which he was in line to inherit from his uncle, by making his mother a Princess of Denmark. In return Frederik Christian gave up his inheritance in Schleswig, i.e. parts of the islands of Als and Ærø, to the King.

He succeeded as Duke of Plön, but as he had only daughters (who perhaps might not have been ebenbürtige, as their mother was a mere Countess Reventlow, although she was the niece of King Frederik IV's morganatic wife), he agreed in the so-called Plönisches Successionstraktat to leave his Duchy to the King of Denmark when he died in 1761. In return King Frederik V paid all of his large debts.

Twelve years later the remaining part of Holstein-Gottorp did of course also revert to the King of Denmark through that brilliant Treaty of Tsarskoe Selo. Only that odd Bishopric of Lübeck remained...
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on November 28, 2009, 05:18:41 AM
That is very interesting,thank you for this information...any pictures of Dorothea?
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on November 28, 2009, 07:24:40 AM
You are welcome!

I just found a very small and bad quality portrait of her online, at Guide2Womenleaders (scroll down) (http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/womeninpower/Womeninpower1700.htm). Perhaps the original is in Plön or at her dower seat Reinfeld castle.

Here are her alleged arms:
(http://www.roskildehistorie.dk/stamtavler/konger/6_Enevold/Ploen-filer/image040.jpg)
FromRoskildehistorie: Slesvig-Holstein-Sønderborg-Plön (http://www.roskildehistorie.dk/stamtavler/konger/6_Enevold/Ploen.htm)

NB she wasn't born as a countess. Her parents were just nobles, but her father had attended the Princely School in Eutin in the Bishopric of Lübeck together with Christian Karl's father Duke August and later became his "house master" and governor/bailiff. Dorothea Christine was the Dowager Duchess's lady-in-waiting and grew up with the ducal children, who were her playmates, among them her future husband. She had to flee to her friend and future sister-in-law the Princess of Nassau-Dillenburg in Umstadt in present Hesse when her employer, the Dowager Duchess and her eldest son found out that Christian Karl wanted to marry her. They subsequently married in Umstadt and she became his morganatic wife as Frau von Karlstein. They moved into a town house in Sønderborg. Christian Karl was fond of fishing in the sea and eventually died from getting a plague-infested handkerchief blown into his face from a nearby plague-infested ship when out fishing in the fjord outside Sønderborg!
Source: This local Als site (http://www.alsnissen.dk/default.asp?side=157)

Those Schleswig-Holstein Duchies really were a world unto themselves.....  
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on November 28, 2009, 07:45:38 AM
Very interesting...thank you for the effort...I thought that she was a Countess because she was listed as such in genealogy site...here is a link:

http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00086369&tree=LEO
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: kmerov on November 29, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
Dorothea was never created Princess of Denmark, but was given the rank of an equal Princess. The Ducal families of the Duchies were not Princes of Denmark.
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on December 02, 2009, 10:53:01 PM
Ok,I am confused what does the term "Princesse til Danmark" which is used in genealogy site precisely means?I translated it as "Princess of Denmark",but do not know the exact meaning...
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on December 06, 2009, 08:57:16 PM
Ok,I am confused what does the term "Princesse til Danmark" which is used in genealogy site precisely means?I translated it as "Princess of Denmark",but do not know the exact meaning...
Danish til means "to". The title prinsesse til Danmark is thus analogue to the German usage Prinzessin zu.... denoting continued possession or claim. (As opposed to German von, Danish af - meaning "of".) In former times I think af/til was used rather interchangeably, but since the Law of Succession of 1953, there is a distinction between those who are in the line of succession (descendants of Christian X who haven't forfeited their rights), who are prins/prinsesse til Danmark, and their spouses who have married into the family, who are prins/prinsesse af Danmark.

Quite a nice distinction, I think, just like the Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov Emperors' claim to being Наследник Норвежский or Heir to Norway, which in German is Erbe zu Norwegen and in Danish arving til Norge (or in contemporary spelling: arffuing till Norrig).
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on December 07, 2009, 07:00:42 AM
Thank you for clearing this up...if you find something more,please post!
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 07, 2009, 07:52:30 AM
Since I posted that, I have been to Russia several times and actually found the  priory of the Russian Malta order in Gatchina.  It is newly renovated but no no one was availab le  to talk with us. Appently there had been a conference of some sort there recently. I posted those pictures some time ago- somewhere on this board.
 Still clueless as to who is in charge of the place.
 I do not know how much influence the  Roman Church, and especially the Jesuits might have in Russia. Relations  between them  and the ROC are starined at best.
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on December 07, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
Robert,any connection between your post and Dorothea von Aichelberg? ;-)
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: kmerov on March 22, 2010, 04:54:27 PM
A portrait of Dorothea Christine after she was elevated to Princess status.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Sonderburg%20Ducal%20Families/DorotheaChristineDssDowofpln.jpg)
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on March 23, 2010, 10:01:03 AM
Thank you Kmerov...as always great and rare find...do you know where is the portrait now?Museum,private collection?

If you find any other portrait regarding this branch of the family,please post :-)
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: kmerov on March 23, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
You are welcome.

The portrait I think is at Nordborg Castle.

I will a start a thread where we can discuss and share portraits of the lesser known Ducal families and branches of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg.
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 23, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
If anybody wants to see pictures of all the obscure ducalities, there is a very good, thick book about all the lines with pictures and short biographies of all of them from even the most obscure lines. It's in Danish:
"De slesvigske hertuger" (The Schleswigian Dukes), edited by Carsten Porskrog Rasmussen, Inge Adriansen & Lennart S. Madsen. 383 pages, 227 photos (151 in colour, 20 maps, 18 genealogical charts. Price DKK 348,00. Published 2005 by Historisk Samfund for Sønderjylland (Historical Society of South Jutland), http://www.hssdj.dk

I once ordered it through interlibrary loan from Kiel and had a veritable duke fest! A lot of very grotesque-looking wigged Baroque duchesses sporting low ermine décolletages! I know that's your type, Marc :-)
Title: Re: Countess Dorothea Christina von Aichelberg,Princess of Denmark
Post by: Marc on March 23, 2010, 05:44:04 PM
You got me :-) It must be a really interesting to read about and see all these Dukes and Duchesses from all those "obscure" Duchies who all now predominantly ancestors of many royals...