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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Myth and Legends of Survivors => Topic started by: franastasia on January 10, 2009, 09:28:57 AM

Title: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 10, 2009, 09:28:57 AM
Please let me take photos of the claimant .... please post !!!!! thanks!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Alixz on January 10, 2009, 09:42:01 AM
I hate to be discouraging about people posting pictures - but you are on the Internet and can do some looking for yourself.

I am sure that if you put in the names of those whom you seek, the web sites will have something for you.

A lot of posters on this forum want nothing to do with claimants, especially now that the bones have been found.  The posters might not have anything to post!   

:-)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 10, 2009, 10:21:23 AM
I have some of Marga Boodts who claimed to be Olga Nikolaevna.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_P.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/P.jpg)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0028-1.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0028-1.jpg)

As you can see, she looked nothing like her :)

And one woman whom his grandson claimed she was Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna. I can't remember his name but he even published a book.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0021-1.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0021-1.jpg)

I don't post any of Anderson, because I have none of her and that's so easy to find them :). And I apologize if I shouldn't have posted them.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 10, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
On the contrary! I would like to see some more, because all I have seen is of Anna Anderson. Even though I think their claims are ridiculous, it´s interesting to see them.
Thank you Siham - I´ve never seen any of those pictures.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 10, 2009, 01:55:58 PM
Well then, I have some more of these two claimants.
About the one who claimed to be Maria, she may be known as Ceclava Czapska, and it seems that her husband was a Romanian prince, Nicolas Dolgoruky. Of course, I don't know if all these things are true. That's just what I found about her. One little thing again, I've just recalled her grandson's name is Alexis Brimeyer. I think he was quite well-known. (as he is dead now.)
   A French-Canadian writer supports them, and he said that all the girls and Alix survived and that AA was indeed Anastasia. To sum up, that's a conspiracy theory.  ::)
Then now, the pictures. Two of Marga Boodts, much older.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_4444-1.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/4444-1.jpg)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0073.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0073.jpg)
And others of Ceclava Czapska.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_5445-1.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/5445-1.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0020.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0020.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0072.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0072.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 10, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
Thank you!

the funny is that they really look nothing like people they claimed to be.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Marie-Catherine on January 10, 2009, 02:28:32 PM
Here the only pic of Granny Alina I could find, a Maria's claimant.  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j189/4tre/th_pr_maria_granny.jpg) (http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j189/4tre/?action=view&current=pr_maria_granny.jpg)

Her grandson said that her jaw had been broken at Ekaterinburg, during the exectuion, and that's why it doesn't fit when they compared the pictures..

I know there's other pictures of her, but I couldn't find any at the moment.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 10, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
I have only seen this picture for the time being, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are others as her grandson talked of her story in an Australian show if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 10, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Thank!!!!! Thanks! I thank you with all my heart if in case you find some other photos of suitors let me know, ok? Thanks again
by franastasia!!!! (I seek the claimant because I want to know who was presented with the names of the Romanovs and the ing to please just find something you put the pictures here)
Thanks ...Wanted in particular Photo alina granny, smith eugenia, eleonora Kruger, Marga boots, ceclava czaspka, ivonova Vasileva, anna anderson and natalia Petrovna ... Thanks and see you soon! (I hope)
but I should be fine for the other claimant! then just find an image of claimant put here, ok? hello hello!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2009, 09:51:35 AM
Granny Alina
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE1377.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE1377.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE1378.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE1378.jpg)

Eugenia Smith
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_EugeniaSmith.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/EugeniaSmith.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 11, 2009, 10:37:39 AM
Thank you!!!!!! other photos???? Thanks and see you soon! (I hope)
Thank to :grand duchess ally
thank to :proud_olga
thank to :marie-chaterine
please add more photos of  claimant !!!!! you just add something ok? Thanks again and I recommend: photos of claimant! thank ......
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 11, 2009, 11:13:41 AM

Eugenia Smith
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_EugeniaSmith.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/EugeniaSmith.jpg)


There's no doubt on it... No resemblance with Shvibz! I'm wondering if all those claimants knew how the princesses look like before doing this kind of stupid things...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 11, 2009, 11:20:58 AM
proud- olga have you other photos of various claimant?


thank!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 11, 2009, 11:51:30 AM
I
have, but of people a writer claims they were the princesses. And since I don't believe the 'conspiracy' theories and I'm not even sure if they were really some claimants I don't know if I should post them... but anyway...

This is a picture of Marga Boodt with a close friend. (that's what the writer claims.)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_1111111111.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/1111111111.jpg)
Marga Boodts,  Ceclava Czapska & Nicolas Dolgoruky.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0024-1.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0024-1.jpg)
Young Marga Boodts in Germany. (I don't know if it is really her as we can't see very well the face, but again that's what the writer claims...)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/th_scan0057-2.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/miss_sloom/scan0057-2.jpg)

I don't have more... Sorry .
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 11, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
thanks !!!!!! I thank you really a lot , Proud_Olga !!!!! You were a great help! someone else has pictures of the claimant? Please if you can show? Thanks !!!!!
SOMEONE ELSE HAS  PICTURES OF THE CLAIMANT????? THANK YOU!!!!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2009, 12:02:59 PM
Anna Anderson

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_cap003xp0.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/cap003xp0.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_Annaan.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/Annaan.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_anna.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/anna.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_franz5.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/franz5.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2009, 12:04:55 PM
And several pictures of Maria Martí. There was a guy who used to spam this whole forum with his DNA tests, trying to convince everybody his grandmother was in fact Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7791.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7791.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7792.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7792.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7793.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7793.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7794.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7794.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7795.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7795.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7796.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7796.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7797.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7797.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2009, 01:06:59 PM
There was also a man claiming the whole family escaped and he was sending pictures of "imperial family" in America.

This is "Alexei"
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_alexinewbloodtl1.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/alexinewbloodtl1.jpg)

And this is "Alexandra"
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_czarina2lp7.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/czarina2lp7.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2009, 01:27:11 PM
Yes, but not many.... this is so called "Grandma Josephine" aka "Anastasia"
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_anastasia1.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/anastasia1.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_anastasia4.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/anastasia4.jpg)

This woman claimed to be Anastasia also
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_Anastasia_Romanova.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/Anastasia_Romanova.jpg)

And one more of Anna Anderson
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_Anna_Anderson.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/Anna_Anderson.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Marie-Catherine on January 11, 2009, 02:27:19 PM
Wonderful Ally ! I've seen a book not long time ago, which was published in 2008 and was saying that only Alix, Olga, Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia survived. I think, but not sure, that the author said that Margda Boots and Anna Anderson were O and A.. I wished I could have made photocopies, because it had some pictures.. If I'm able, I'll try to get photocopies..

I still don't understand how people could have believed that AA was AN.. I don't know.. I've never seen any physical ressemblance..
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 11, 2009, 03:28:06 PM
Attention "franastasia:    Relative to post #25 and your previous "deluge" of the same request (on 2 threads):   Ease up; we heard you the first time.  Take "Marty_1994's"  advice.   Let's also drop the slang "gimme, gimme," (on the other thread), shall we?  (It is just as abhorrent as "gonna.") We try to utilize correct English here.   AP
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 11, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
 sorry but I am an Italian of 16 years! I just wanted pictures of suitors! sorry ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on January 11, 2009, 03:59:38 PM
Attention:  "franastasia" :    Thank you for your nice response! Your English is generally excellent and I encourage your continued involvment in English.  Please be aware that slang  (and I see that you are most likely interested in "The Fab Four," and possibly "picked it up" from lyrics) would not be acceptable in the correctly spoken or written English. I am certain that you will continue to do VERY well in your English language studies!   Just give the posters enough time to respond to your request/s.  I'm certain that you, in time, will have the answers that you need.  Happy New Year.    AP
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 12, 2009, 06:37:41 AM
Several more of Anna Anderson - with comparison to Anastasia and other members of IF. Mostly done by Peter Kurth I think.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_AAandFS.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/AAandFS.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_Anastasia2.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/Anastasia2.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_OlgaandAnna.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/OlgaandAnna.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_image018.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/image018.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_image021.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/image021.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 12, 2009, 09:43:57 AM
thank gran duchess ally!!!!!!   me you were really a big help !!!!! when you can PLEASE CAN SET OTHER PHOTOS OF VARIOUS claimant WHO ARE PROPOSED BY THE NAME OF ROMANOV? WHEN YOU OK? PLEASE! THANKS AGAIN!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 12, 2009, 11:07:09 AM
Wonderful Ally ! I've seen a book not long time ago, which was published in 2008 and was saying that only Alix, Olga, Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia survived. I think, but not sure, that the author said that Margda Boots and Anna Anderson were O and A.. I wished I could have made photocopies, because it had some pictures.. If I'm able, I'll try to get photocopies..


Is this book named 'L'affaire Romanov ou Le Mystère de la Villa Ipatiev'? If it is, the pictures I posted came from the author's website.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 12, 2009, 11:09:42 AM
That´s it. He posted these pictures to another form where he really tried to persuade us his step-father was Alexei and Anastasia died in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 12, 2009, 11:14:44 AM
That´s it. He posted these pictures to another form where he really tried to persuade us his step-father way Alexei and Anastasia died in Cleveland.

Are you sure we're talking about the same person? The one I'm talking about says Alexei died in July of 1918, along with Nicky...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 12, 2009, 11:18:07 AM
Hmm... so not :) That means there´s somebody else. He even had a website called "Romanov deception".
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 12, 2009, 11:24:49 AM
Oh no, the author who wrote 'L'affaire Romanov' has a website but called 'Romanov File'. But that's OK, there are so many people supporting conspiracy theories that you can be messed with two of them... :) I just hope they'll stop their stupid claim, all of them.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 12, 2009, 12:07:54 PM
(olga proud I am referring to all other States that have not left any foto.in this site we are not the only member's not just us here ... there are more than 100 members! therefore ask you not to attack ) thanks!

You can ask as much as you want. But, please, don't create several and useless threads just for a single request. Exactly, there are more than 100 members, that's why I asked you to be patient. If they do have pictures, they'll post them in time.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 13, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Please, we know you're really motivated for these pictures, but stop asking reapeatadly, it's kindda..annoying.

As soon as someone find pictures, I'm sure this person will post them here :)

I agree ;-)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 14, 2009, 08:19:43 AM
I don't know which claimant(one of Anastasia's) is here:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_10_lzheanastasia.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/?action=view&current=10_lzheanastasia.jpg)

'I - Anastasia Romanova' is written.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 14, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Isn't she Eugenia Smith? I know she wrote a book where she claimed she is the Grand Duchess.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 14, 2009, 08:30:24 AM
I think so -- it is E. Smith. I think she lived long. ;). Thanks for reminding. Hope I will find more photos.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 14, 2009, 08:36:35 AM
I think so -- it is E. Smith. I think she lived long. ;). Thanks for reminding. Hope I will find more photos.

Yes, she lived quite long. She died in 1992 or 1995, I don't exactly remember but I know she died in the 90's.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 14, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
hey franastsia i have the photos:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/efritsch/Mouse/anya_clamit.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/efritsch/Mouse/anya_clamit.jpg) (this is Natalia Petrovna)
this is ann anderson http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Anna1922berlin.jpg/180px-Anna1922berlin.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Anna1922berlin.jpg/180px-Anna1922berlin.jpg)
this is Ivonova Vasileva   http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/Rachael89/?action=view&current=anastasiaclaimant.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/Rachael89/?action=view&current=anastasiaclaimant.jpg)
ok????
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 14, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
well ..... I am very happy that some of you have given me photos so important (for me)! Please remember, if you find pictures of the other claimant's put into this topic ok? thanks!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 16, 2009, 10:59:33 AM
And several pictures of Maria Martí. There was a guy who used to spam this whole forum with his DNA tests, trying to convince everybody his grandmother was in fact Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7791.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7791.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7792.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7792.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7793.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7793.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7794.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7794.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7795.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7795.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7796.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7796.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/th_FILE7797.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/claimants/FILE7797.jpg)

She doesn't look like Maria Nikolaevna after all.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 12:54:18 PM
The real Anastasia died in 17 July 1918 in Ipatiev House and her name was HIH the Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna Romanov(a) the last daughter of tzar Nicholas II and tzarina Alexandra Feodorovna....
The other ones are just impostors!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 16, 2009, 01:00:41 PM
I know! but in this story there's more: in an interview to one that killed the Romanov said that his general, when they had to bury the corpses of Romanov, was not Anastasia! Well?
Some may be dead as it can not be! if you want more details of 'interview with this revolutionary tell me!
Why say a lot of things really interesting! Well?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
You know the American version.... I believe in the Russian one... That one of the bodies found in the grave was 17 years old...  And which means that Anastasia was the one who have been shot that night... And for years forward there were two missing bodies.... The Russian believs that it's Maria and Alexei who were missing not Anastasia.....
2007 ( i could be wrong) they found the two missing bodies in the same wood.... And they were buried...Sorry i believe in that version....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 16, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
I do believe too. Yes, they discovered remains on July 29th 2007.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 16, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
You know the American version.... I believe in the Russian one... That one of the bodies found in the grave was 17 years old...  And which means that Anastasia was the one who have been shot that night... And for years forward there were two missing bodies.... The Russian believs that it's Maria and Alexei who were missing not Anastasia.....
2007 ( i could be wrong) they found the two missing bodies in the same wood.... And they were buried...Sorry i believe in that version....

I personally believe that it is Anastasia who was missing. But that doesn't matter anymore anyway :) The most important is that the whole family was found and that now they rest in peace.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 01:38:26 PM
I do believe too. Yes, they discovered remains on July 29th 2007.


Yes Thanks and i agree that most important is that they rest in peace now...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on January 16, 2009, 01:54:47 PM
Reliable sources?
If the scientists weren't able to do a DNA test on the bodies, they would have never said that these corpses were the Romanovs. That's logic.
Just for some information, scientists have been able to prove that the last heir to the French throne (the son of Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI) indeed died during the French Revolution thanks to DNA. And this happened more than two centuries ago, then they can easily prove if these bodies were the Romanovs or not even after 90 years.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:08:07 PM
Honestly i believe those bodies were of the imperial family and their faithful servants...
To what i know first before DNA came they compare  photos and the skulls which they had... And when the Russian said that Anastasia died in that night, the Americans refute the techniques which the Russian sciences used.... And so the version of Anastasia's possible surviving came...
When DNA came Anna Anderson was already dead and she claim in her whole life that it's the duchess... DNA taken from Princе Kiril proved that Anna Anderson was not the Duchess Anastasia... If she was her DNA had to match with that of Prince Kiril...And so actually Anna Anderson was Polish worker who disappear the same year when Anna first appeared in public life.... Her real name was Francheska Shanskovska or something like that i can't write it...
Among that the sciences couldn't do more test because the church wanted faster to buried them... And when they buried the bodies the refused to name them.... And put just holly icon of the whole Family....
Years later the case was open until 2007 when the last two missing bodies were found in the wood near Ekaterinburg.... They were buried with the whole family......
About Ipatiev House... The house was destroyed by Lenin....

May 25, 2009 - The house was not destroyed by Lenin.  It stood until it was destroyed in 1977 under an order given to Boris Yeltsin. Edited by  Alixz
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 16, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
Warning: ok bodies were found, but there are many reliable sources who say that those bodies are not Romanov! Then in almost more than 90 how to do a DNA test and be sure that this is the case? but then (I repeat) THE GENERAL ON JULY 16 IS NOT THE SAME ANASTASIA BETWEEN BODY! HOW CAN I SAY IT? THEN? What do you think?

I think you should read the "New Rules" Topic. Here's what the Forum Administrator said in August 2007:

The rules are expressly clear, so allow me to make certain we are all on the same page.

The evidence is in, as far as this forum is concerned, that we know have the remains of the 2 missing children, there is NO possibiltiy any longer that anyone actually survived. THIS IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEBATE HERE ANY LONGER.

The discussion of "survivors" may continue so long as the discussion is to the claims in the historical context only.  The discussion of any VALIDITY to their claims is now moot, since res ipsa loquitor there WERE NO SURVIVORS, thus it is off limits.

I had hoped this would be clear.  It seems some people have had problems with Lisa, though having been out of my office all day, I can't seem to find any remnants of the discussion, so I don't understand what has been going on.  Lisa is a Mod, with our authority, NOBODY should challenge Lisa's moderating.  If anyone has a problem or question, they should PM or email me.  That has always been our policy.

Please don't hesistate to let me know if you are at all unclear about any of this.


You are hereby warned that you are possibly violating the rules. Any discussion of the validity of the identification of the remains is a violation.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 16, 2009, 02:17:14 PM
I believe that ANNA ANDERSON IS ANASTASIA:
In reality 'it seems that the DNA test conducted on the findings of biopsy anna with the relative of Franziska and the Romanovs were bogus. Also remain to be clarified some questions: why were in possession of the rest of Anna Anderson and how it was possible that had been stored for all these years.
Moreover, the examination was conducted by comparing the gene Anderson with that of Edinburgh Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth II of England and the very distant relative of the Romanovs. Why was the parameters to test DNA of Prince Philip and not that of its closest relatives of Anastasia?
It seems that has never existed a certain Franziska Schwanzkowska. Not to mention that Franziska Schwanzkowska, if it had existed, had fled from Poland two days after the discovery of Anna Anderson.
Even how the discovery of the remains of the Romanov are linked to the mystery. In 1991 when they were found the bodies of the imperial family, was told that the appeal lacked, however, two bodies (that of zarevič and one of the two youngest granduchesse, Maria or Anastasia). But when in 1998 the remains were buried in the Cathedral of Saints Peter and Paul in St. Petersburg were told that all the remains of all members of the imperial family had been found. If this were true, who would be the remains found in the summer of 2007? And it is then possible that in 90 years dall'eccidio of Yekaterinburg unearthed the remains are so well preserved that the examination of DNA svoltovi above will be able to erase any doubt?
and I repeat once again: THE GENERAL OF THE ROMANOV killer, THE NIGHT OF 16 JULY 1918, IS NOT BETWEEN ANASTASIA corpses !!!!!!!! THEN? Answer me!

Franastasia - you are in violation of our policy. You need to remove your posts,or they will be removed for you. There are other forums out there where you can discuss this - take your opinions elsewhere. If you cannot abide by my direction, you will be reported to the FA.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:20:21 PM
I believe that ANNA ANDERSON IS ANASTASIA:

With you first sentence i understood there is nothing more to discuss of Anastasia's possible surviving......We told you our opinions (which are much closer to the truth) and i have seen other  impossible stories of surviving like " Did Anastaia Escape?Yes, she did and not only her.Alexei did 2.I will explain, many rumors were that the very night of disaster was that Anastasia and Alexei went to the bathroom right before the gun shots happened or that they fled once the room went dark from all the gunpower" i read it on one channel and i couldn't believe....
You should listen to Lisa the moderator and read the rules!Nothing more to speak on that theme!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: amartin71718 on January 16, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
I believe that ANNA ANDERSON IS ANASTASIA:

With you first sentence i understood there is nothing more to discuss of Anastasia's possible surviving......We told you our opinions (which are much closer to the truth) and i have seen other  impossible stories of surviving like " Did Anastaia Escape?Yes, she did and not only her.Alexei did 2.I will explain, many rumors were that the very night of disaster was that Anastasia and Alexei went to the bathroom right before the gun shots happened or that they fled once the room went dark from all the gunpower" i read it on one channel and i couldn't believe....
You should listen to Lisa the moderator and read the rules!Nothing more to speak on that theme!
Indeed. There is no way that someone could have survived that horrific night.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
Yes because the bolshevik will never let somebody to escape... Those were ferocious men.. don't underrate them FraAnastasia
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: amartin71718 on January 16, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
Why was the parameters to test DNA of Prince Philip and not that of its closest relatives of Anastasia?
Why Prince Philip? Because he is Alexandra's grand-nephew, therefore they would share similar mtDNA, if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
Indeed Marty is right...Sorry but i made mistake not Kiril but England's Prince Philip...He is a Romanov slibling
Here is a picture how the bodies were in the grave(sorry for the quality)
(http://i002.radikal.ru/0901/ca/c4cad2d51e7at.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i002.radikal.ru/0901/ca/c4cad2d51e7a.jpg.html)

And here is how Russian did the tests... You can see Olga,Anastasia,Nicky and Alix skulls.... I will upload Tatiana ones too

(http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0901/02/3d75af548ffbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s52.radikal.ru/i135/0901/02/3d75af548ffb.jpg.html)
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0901/56/8c034e5f992ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i128/0901/56/8c034e5f992c.jpg.html)
(http://s54.radikal.ru/i145/0901/f4/d3bf5e5cc25at.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s54.radikal.ru/i145/0901/f4/d3bf5e5cc25a.jpg.html)

Anastasia
(http://i004.radikal.ru/0901/e6/998bc2c2c8cbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i004.radikal.ru/0901/e6/998bc2c2c8cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
(http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0901/02/3d75af548ffbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s52.radikal.ru/i135/0901/02/3d75af548ffb.jpg.html)

Anastasia
(http://i004.radikal.ru/0901/e6/998bc2c2c8cbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i004.radikal.ru/0901/e6/998bc2c2c8cb.jpg.html)

You may not see Olga but this yellow skull is Anastasia according to the Russian scients... And the last one too :)

And in the grave (first picture ) i think Anastasia could be in the far down right corner...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Marie-Catherine on January 16, 2009, 03:19:22 PM
I was wondering.. While we're talking about AA and AN.. Did AA had the same scar at the forehead than AN ? You know.. the scar she had and that was the reason why she had her hair like this..with a fringe (sorry, I don't remember the correct word)?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: amartin71718 on January 16, 2009, 03:26:31 PM
AA/FS was 'covered in scars' after being injured in an explosion in the factory where she worked, I believe.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Yes and according to what i know she had the same deformation of the little finger of her foot as AN had.... but this don't prove nothing because my mother have the same :D
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Marie-Catherine on January 16, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
ooh thank you very much Marty and Irina !
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Forum Admin on January 16, 2009, 03:57:44 PM
I have removed the post earlier which violates our policy.  We do not permit the discussion of any claimant as a genuine survivor, as there is no longer ANY QUESTION that all of remains found in both graves in Ekaterinburg are without question those of the Romanov family.  Further, we do not permit discussion that the current results are somehow "innacurate".  We have first hand information that the DNA results are correct, and all match.  Discussion will be permitted only about the claimants as to the historical facts of their pressing claims but NOT the validity of any claim, as all claims are now proven false.

FA
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 12:10:31 PM
OK here you go Anna Anderson
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0901/06/65fbaac0c63at.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i165/0901/06/65fbaac0c63a.jpg.html)
(http://i045.radikal.ru/0901/b0/fdc982a56525t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i045.radikal.ru/0901/b0/fdc982a56525.jpg.html)
(http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0901/ea/e9c46fcf0de1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s55.radikal.ru/i150/0901/ea/e9c46fcf0de1.jpg.html)
(http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0901/a0/b71bd59bb61ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s54.radikal.ru/i143/0901/a0/b71bd59bb61f.jpg.html)
(http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/83/287bf9b238b9t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s61.radikal.ru/i172/0901/83/287bf9b238b9.jpg.html)
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/0901/6b/8b83d84563abt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i114/0901/6b/8b83d84563ab.jpg.html)
(http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0901/51/e66f7c051d62t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s60.radikal.ru/i167/0901/51/e66f7c051d62.jpg.html)
(http://i007.radikal.ru/0901/72/02d6d6b3e65bt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i007.radikal.ru/0901/72/02d6d6b3e65b.jpg.html)
(http://s51.radikal.ru/i133/0901/27/1f627b669baat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s51.radikal.ru/i133/0901/27/1f627b669baa.jpg.html)
(http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/0901/b4/e3d7def5d40ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s58.radikal.ru/i161/0901/b4/e3d7def5d40f.jpg.html)
(http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0901/c8/27e0807fff3dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radikal.ru/i122/0901/c8/27e0807fff3d.jpg.html)

There are more pictures of her but since i don't like her i don't collect :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 04:21:39 PM
Oks few more
A paint
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/18/cmANNA_LARGE_070518022036897_wideweb__300x300.jpg)
(http://www.dnai.org/images/mc4/romanovs/anna_anderson.jpg)
That one was named as her but i don't think she is... anyway post it
(http://www.joyfulimages.com/images/confirmation%20Anna%20A.jpg)
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/anastasia/img/anna.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Anna1922berlin.jpg)
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/amnesia---9.jpg)
(http://enviedhistoire.canalblog.com/images/anna_anderson3.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 20, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
Stop with the endless begging for photos and do some research. Last warning.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 21, 2009, 05:27:23 PM
If it's for me i won't post anymore pictures... Just wanted to continue the topic... "Photos of claimant"

You are most welcome to continue to post claimant photos and to discuss the claimants as that. I apologize that I was not clearer, as I must confess that I was annoyed that my earlier and gentler direction was ignored. But my previous remarks were in no way directed to you!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 24, 2009, 02:37:29 PM
About Anna Anderson

Let's see if she can confirm she has a mole on the left shoulder blade that Nastya has!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 24, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
If Anne was alive she would say something like this "I had but it was gone after i grew up" or "I had but there you can see i have a scar so you can't see it"
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 24, 2009, 02:42:48 PM
You're indeed right, Elizie. She would do non-stop pretenses just to prove she's Nastya.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 24, 2009, 02:52:01 PM
After All Franceska was Polish and Nastenka half German and half Russian.... i never believed Anne Anderson is Anastasia.... Anastasia was going to be real beauty if she grew up.... And Anne was ugly even in her early 20-30....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 24, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
I never found an "Anastasian impression" in her, either. I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 10:09:57 AM
I continue with Anna
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k136/tsarskoe/franz4.jpg)
(http://www.familyartistry.com/Louis_Anna_Anderson_op_442x600.jpg)

Please be patient because not many people in the forum are fans of Anna and the other claimants of possible surviving of some of the duchesses......
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 27, 2009, 11:44:17 AM
Someone interested in Natalia Petrovna? you know, I have 4 photos of her:   
http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=10_lzheanastasia.jpg (http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=10_lzheanastasia.jpg) 
http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=18910.jpg (http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=18910.jpg)
http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=anastas4.jpg (http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=anastas4.jpg)
http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=n44n-s28.jpg (http://s643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/naotmaa_2009/?action=view&current=n44n-s28.jpg)
ok?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 27, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
thank you gemllibru!!! PHOTOS OF CLAIMANT PLEASE!!!! THANK YOU...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 27, 2009, 01:37:23 PM

That's Heino Tammet (I believe he called himself Alexei Heino Tammet Romanov):

(http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Pic/pr_alexis_tammet.jpg)

Magdalen Veres and her brother Joseph Veres who claimed to be Anastasia and Alexei:

(http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Pic/pr_anas_gibson.jpg) (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Pic/pr_alexis_gibson.jpg)

And franastasia, please have patience! I'm not a big fan of claimants myself, so these were the only pics I could find...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 27, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
So... here is another try...

This is a photo of Vasily Filatov, who claimed to be Alexei:

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4636/vasilyfilatovuy5.jpg)

And this are his children, who claimed they had resemblances with the Romanovs (these are the photos I found):

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6356/olegfilatovbs2.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1673/nicholas1dy2.jpg)
Oleg Filatov 1998 and Tsar Nicolas II

(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5441/irinafilatovahh6.jpg) (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4183/gdolgavn4.jpg)
Irina Filatova 1977 and Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9398/nadezhdafilatovatk2.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1822/alexandra1eo0.jpg)
Nadezhda Filatova 1982 and Empress Alexandra

If you can't see them now... well, that was the best I could do...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 28, 2009, 09:12:54 AM
Oleg Filatov did a book about his father, with comparasing Aleksei's photos to Vasily's.

It is History of soul -- Fate of Emperor's son, Aleksei, or something like that. In Russian.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 28, 2009, 09:40:28 AM
Tina, what a great collection! Those fiends can't get enough of fooling just in personal. They even wrote a book (and it's published)!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 28, 2009, 11:46:20 AM
According to you among all the claimants, who is what doesn't lie?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 28, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
According to you among all the claimants, who is what doesn't lie?

What do you mean with who doesn't lie? The fact that they are claimants means they are lying, after all all the bodies of the Romanovs are found and buried now, so all the people who claimed that they were Anastasia, Alexei or any of the Romanov family that escaped the Bolsheviks, are lying... btw, Vasily Filatov claimed that he escaped with the help of two friendly Bolshevik executioners, which is absolutely crazy, if you ask me... I read something about how Vasily Fliatov told his children they were actually the grandchildren of the Tsar of Russia... :o I don't know if anyone really believes this stuff...  :o
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 28, 2009, 02:09:52 PM
Ok! Everyone believes in something ... (and it is right that everyone has their own theory) So let us this way: you pretend that the bones of the Romanovs have not found ... What claimant believe that telling the truth?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 28, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
Ok! Everyone believes in something ... (and it is right that everyone has their own theory) So let us this way: you pretend that the bones of the Romanovs have not found ... What claimant believe that telling the truth?

No, Franastasia, let us say it this way: what part of follow our policies do you not understand? You have been told many times that the subject of the legitimacy of the claims of these people is not permitted here, yet you persist. So, answer us this: do you lack understanding, or are you simply a poor guest?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: amartin71718 on January 28, 2009, 03:53:41 PM
Ok! Everyone believes in something ... (and it is right that everyone has their own theory) So let us this way: you pretend that the bones of the Romanovs have not found ... What claimant believe that telling the truth?
None of them. There were no survivors.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 28, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Ok! Everyone believes in something ... (and it is right that everyone has their own theory) So let us this way: you pretend that the bones of the Romanovs have not found ... What claimant believe that telling the truth?
None of them. There were no survivors.

I agree... they were no survivors.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 28, 2009, 04:36:29 PM

And again we are returning on the same theme as before.... Franastasia to me you look like you refused to believe that there was NO survivors..... I wrote whole article about Anastasia possible surviving and Anne Anderson's claims ..... But you said you believe she is.... We can't do nothing for you... you just refuse to accept the truth... It;s your duty of course to believe in what you want.... Just trying to help....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 28, 2009, 04:41:27 PM
Oleg Filatov did a book about his father, with comparasing Aleksei's photos to Vasily's.

It is History of soul -- Fate of Emperor's son, Aleksei, or something like that. In Russian.

nena, do you mean this book - The Salvation of the Prince? 'Cause I read that this was the book he published... or do you mean another one?

Btw, that's what I read (not the whole article, just the part that mentions his book)...

Quote
... The same group of scientists had examined 53 photographic images of Alexej Romanov and Vasilij Xenofontovich Filatov and established that these images are of the same person at different stages in life. In 1998, the book entitled "The Salvation of the Prince" came out. Its authors, G. Egorov, V. Petrov, and I. Lysenko, reveal the story of Prince Alexej's escape from the communists' bullets, and of his further life under the name of Vasilij Xenofontovich Filatov. The book was translated and published in the United States and received widespread public attention. In the year 2000, with financial help of St. Petersburg Baltic Fund, Oleg Filatov plans to publish the second part of this book, with a provisional title of "The History of a Soul, or A Portrait of the Epoch." ...

Man, they'll never give up... >:(
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 28, 2009, 04:45:35 PM
Little off topic *Tina* i send you personal
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: franastasia on January 29, 2009, 03:48:19 AM
Ok guys! I believe that Anna Anderson was Anastasia, and you no! Do not do anything! I will not be able to make you change your mind, and you do not manage to make me change my mind! Everyone has their own theory (as I said !!)...
I do not want their quarrel with anyone! At most one can argue, but the Pacific, ok? I have given my reasons why I think that Anna is Anastasia! This topic was not created to fight! was created to let the pictures of the claimant and also to discuss on his theory about the claimant! ok?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2009, 04:28:10 AM
We understand.
Peace....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 04:30:27 AM
Ok guys! I believe that Anna Anderson was Anastasia, and you no! Do not do anything! I will not be able to make you change your mind, and you do not manage to make me change my mind! Everyone has their own theory (as I said !!)...
I do not want their quarrel with anyone! At most one can argue, but the Pacific, ok? I have given my reasons why I think that Anna is Anastasia! This topic was not created to fight! was created to let the pictures of the claimant and also to discuss on his theory about the claimant! ok?

I think you should read again what Lisa wrote.....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2009, 04:34:36 AM
Everyone's different from one another here. We cannot change her mind as she cannot change our minds as well.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 29, 2009, 04:39:17 AM
Everyone's different from one another here. We cannot change her mind as she cannot change our minds as well.

Yes, if she doesn't want to hear us... we can't change her mind...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2009, 04:48:55 AM
That's just the fact we have to comply with.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 29, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Everyone's different from one another here. We cannot change her mind as she cannot change our minds as well.

To clarify our policies, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and entitled to express their own opinion.

You are not welcome to express opinions about any claimants being actual Romanovs on this Forum. That is our policy. You are all guests here and we fully expect that you comply with our policies.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 29, 2009, 01:42:33 PM

Exactly that IMO. "The History of a Soul, or A Portrait of the Epoch''. Thank you! (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/9428a070.gif)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/th_Filatov.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/?action=view&current=Filatov.jpg)


Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 30, 2009, 09:46:48 AM

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/th_Filatov2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/?action=view&current=Filatov2.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 30, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
I love collecting pictures of claimant! But I believe that none of them is a real Romanov. Many believe that Anna Anderson is Anastasia, but I can assure you that Franziska (Anna Anderson) was not Anastasia!There are interviews made of revolutionaries who say the true story of Franziska (Poland who passed himself off as Anastasia). The story in brief is that a soldier deserted after the evacuation of the region of the Urals, and went to live in Romania. When fled brought with him his lover, a Polish girl unbalanced. This soldier was killed in a fight between a drunk and the girl fled to Berlin, where she attempted suicide. Then the story believe that the conscious! And for those who believed that the DNA tests performed in 1994 were bogus is wrong! The test was true! However Franziska was not Anastasia, but not interested in the heritage of the Romanov! Following the attempted suicide had a Franziska AMNESIA and forgot who she was. So she was really convinced that Anastasia. In the end we can say that Anna Anderson (Franziska) had a poor unbalanced. However, thanks Nena for photos of the book by Oleg Filatov!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 30, 2009, 12:13:25 PM
I love collecting pictures of claimant! But I believe that none of them is a real Romanov. Many believe that Anna Anderson is Anastasia, but I can assure you that Franziska (Anna Anderson) was not Anastasia!There are interviews made of revolutionaries who say the true story of Franziska (Poland who passed himself off as Anastasia). The story in brief is that a soldier deserted after the evacuation of the region of the Urals, and went to live in Romania. When fled brought with him his lover, a Polish girl unbalanced. This soldier was killed in a fight between a drunk and the girl fled to Berlin, where she attempted suicide. Then the story believe that the conscious! And for those who believed that the DNA tests performed in 1994 were bogus is wrong! The test was true! However Franziska was not Anastasia, but not interested in the heritage of the Romanov! Following the attempted suicide had a Franziska AMNESIA and forgot who she was. So she was really convinced that Anastasia. In the end we can say that Anna Anderson (Franziska) had a poor unbalanced. However, thanks Nena for photos of the book by Oleg Filatov!

Well, of course Anna Anderson wasn't Anastasia! AA doesn't look like AN at all! Thanks for sharing this story with us, gemellibru! :) And nena, thanks for the new pic of Oleg Filatov's book! :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 30, 2009, 01:28:32 PM
http://www.romanov-memorial.com/pretenders/pretenders_poutziato.htm (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/pretenders/pretenders_poutziato.htm)
This man is one who claimed to be Alexei. His name was Alexei Poutzaiato. It was soon discovered that he was an imposter.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 30, 2009, 01:35:41 PM
Thank you very much for the link!, I'm sure that he was not Alexei, and that he was just an impostor.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 31, 2009, 04:16:37 AM
The ears are Anastasia and Anna Anderson
Anastasia those are red
Franziska those are blue
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o185/mamyten/anya_ear.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 31, 2009, 05:30:41 AM
I'm with you, guys! They don't look the same to me too.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on January 31, 2009, 08:02:45 AM
I have to add, nobody on Earth have two same ears, but very similar! I have always believed AA was FS.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
I agree with Nena.... I never believe AA is GD Anastasia,even when i saw the movie "Mystery of Anne"

Off topic:
I have to say that Nicholas look there like from a horror movie....   ::)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 31, 2009, 08:40:42 AM
They are not the same to me....

Yes, for me too.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 31, 2009, 09:49:08 AM
Anna anderson was a very scary looking woman. People who believes that she was Anastasia can show me 50674649674 proofs
and i ll still thing that she s not the sweet Nastya. Good god! she was pretty!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 31, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
Anna anderson was a very scary looking woman. People who believes that she was Anastasia can show me 50674649674 proofs
and i ll still thing that she s not the sweet Nastya. Good god! she was pretty!

You said it. Nastya was really pretty, and Anna Anderson was ugly even in her 20's - 30's... Nastya would have been beautiful when she grew up... and not scary like Anna.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 31, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
To IrinaAlexandrovna: this old lady is not Anna Anderson   (http://www.familyartistry.com/Louis_Anna_Anderson_op_442x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 31, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Gemellibru - if she's not Anna... do you know who she is?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 31, 2009, 12:00:12 PM
http://www.familyartistry.com/ALMBERG.html (http://www.familyartistry.com/ALMBERG.html) ok????
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on January 31, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
http://www.familyartistry.com/ALMBERG.html (http://www.familyartistry.com/ALMBERG.html) ok????

Hm... I believe this site says the name of the woman is Louise Anna Anderson... or am I wrong? And if I'm not... is this woman the Nastya claimant or not? Anybody got an answer?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on January 31, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
Tina this woman is in 1876! And, anyway, you saw that the woman was not Anna Anderson?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 09:36:48 AM
(http://runewsweek.ru/images/rubrics/big/07-200815142336.jpg) this is Oleg Filatov (the son of Vassily Filatov)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 09:40:14 AM
(http://runewsweek.ru/images/rubrics/big/07-200815142333.jpg) this is Edward B. Shabadin-Koltunov (he claimed to be Alexei Romanov!!!) is a big impostor!!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 09:43:50 AM
(http://runewsweek.ru/images/rubrics/big/07-200815142330.jpg)   His name is Nikolai Nikolaevich Dalsky ... He says that is the son of Alexei! But his story was not believed by anyone (rightly)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 01, 2009, 10:05:48 AM
Fantastic!...another "Alexei"....unbelievable!  >:(
Thank you for the photo!, this impostor is totally new for me.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 01, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
And I don't believe that he is the son of Alexei.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 12:19:17 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/332-1-.jpg)   Ivanova Vasileva in this photo is disturbing!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 01, 2009, 12:30:10 PM
Yes, I know this photo, it was already posted in another topic.
She was the most improbable claimant of Anastasia....she doesn't look like Anastasia.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 01:26:34 PM
What is the most resembling claimant of Anastasia? Franzsika for me! And for you?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 01, 2009, 01:28:50 PM
So called Grandma Josephine. AA´s eyes, lips, nose and not even chin or shape of the face are TOTALLY different from Anastasia. There are some things that just DON´t change.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 01, 2009, 02:20:04 PM

There's no similarity between Anna Anderson and Anastasia (except the colour of the eyes). If historians were so interested about AA, that's just because her case had become famous and that she had many supporters. Nothing more, IMO.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 01, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
It doesn't work Gemellibru. That isn't even a link ...
There's no similarity between Anna Anderson and Anastasia (except the colour of the eyes). If historians were so interested about AA, that's just because her case had become famous and that she had many supporters. Nothing more, IMO.

I'd have to agree with Proud_Olga. The thing that historians were interested in Anna Anderson doesn't mean that she had a lot of resemblances with Nastya.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 01, 2009, 03:16:40 PM
http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHANZKOWSKA.htm (http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHANZKOWSKA.htm)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 02, 2009, 02:58:48 AM
These pictures cannot count. Only pictures that count when it comes to "similarity" are the ones that clearly show AA´s face, from the front and WITHOUT anything before it. Like the mugshots (which show her quite young).
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 02, 2009, 03:17:02 AM

Reply #112

If  he is Alexei's son, does he have hemophilia? (oh, I forgot, biologically speaking, maybe he doesn't have)
But I won't believe him anyway...Doesn't look like Alexei.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 02, 2009, 03:30:43 AM
http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHANZKOWSKA.htm (http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHANZKOWSKA.htm)

Thanks for this link, gemel. I was cleared out! ( I just begged for Anna A.'s siggy earlier and I've found it there in your link!)
What a wonderful link, huh!
She doesn't look like Nastya! She's got a bigger nose, ugly eyes (I was never fascinated by Anna's eyes unlike what Nastya's eyes do to me!)
She has very ugly ears! Uh! Enough of it, Anna Anderson! You can't fool me, Whatever!
Anastasia's signature is entirely different from Anna Anderson. You could see the A curves. It's so different, promise! And the "nastasiya", so different.
Anastasia's siggy is so beautiful! It's incomparable to Anna A.'s signature! (just angry with Anna Anderson)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 03:31:30 AM
Many of the claimant Alexei not look for anything to Alexei ... The only people who seem a bit are: Heino Tammet, Alexei  Poutzaiato and Vassily Filatov ... Vasily's son (Oleg Filatov) looks slightly Nicholas II!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 04:39:07 AM
In fact I said that Oleg Filatov and Nicholas II is a remote likeness ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 04:45:06 AM
What is the most resembling claimant of Anastasia? Franzsika for me! And for you?

Anna Anderson (Franziska), she was not totally similar to the real Anastasia, but I'm agree with you, Franziska she was the most resembling claimant of Anastasia.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 05:25:30 AM
For you, however, what is the claimant of AN least resembling to Anastasia? Eleonora Kruger for me, and for you?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 08:16:51 AM
I confess that I'm never seen a photo of Eleonora Kruger, I have to see a photo of her first, can you help me?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
(http://www.bnr.bg/NR/rdonlyres/02869EF1-5767-4C97-9218-5BEADF11DE5D/0/Anastasia_Romanova.jpg)    Sorry for the delay!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 02, 2009, 08:56:04 AM
I confess that I'm never seen a photo of Eleonora Kruger, I have to see a photo of her first, can you help me?

Eleonora Kruger... I'm not sure, but was she that woman from Bulgaria? I believe there is a topic for her, and maybe some of her photos were already posted in this topic. But I believe I have one (that gemellibru didn't post)... here it is, if you don't want to search for pics...sorry if it was posted before:

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7519/01newnastyaclaimantss8.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 09:02:42 AM

Thank you very much for the photos!  :)
I'm agree with you, she was the least resembling to Anastasia.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 09:06:29 AM


Eleonora Kruger... I'm not sure, but was she that woman from Bulgaria? I believe there is a topic for her, and maybe some of her photos were already posted in this topic. But I believe I have one (that gemellibru didn't post)... here it is, if you don't want to search for pics...sorry if it was posted before:

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7519/01newnastyaclaimantss8.jpg)
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Thank you so much Tina!  :)
I don't know if she was from Bulgaria, I have to admit that I don't know very much her story.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 02, 2009, 09:14:13 AM


Thank you so much Tina!  :)
I don't know if she was from Bulgaria, I have to admit that I don't know very much her story.
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Well, I believe she lived in a Bulgarian village (Gabarevo), but I'm not sure. I think she had lots of dogs. :D I also remember that she never claimed that she was Nastya. People suspected that she was the Grand Duchess. Also, you can do a Google research (for Eleonora Kruger, if you're interested) - sometimes it helps... :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 09:37:33 AM
Okay, thank you for the suggestion!  :)
And so she was an "unintentional claimant" of the Grand Duchess Anastasia...interesting.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 09:41:32 AM
Eleonora Kruger: Eleonora Albertova Krüger (Nora) (Bulgarian: Елеонора Албертова Крюгер; Russian: Элеонора Альбертовна Крюгер; unknown-20 July 1954) was a woman who lived in the village of Gabarevo, Bulgaria in the twentieth century. Some have speculated that she was Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia.

She arrived in the village of Gabarevo in the summer of 1922, and was welcomed by a small group of Russian immigrants who had already settled there. These people were registered at the city hall as Doctor Peter Alexandrovich Alexiev, Matvei Pavlovich Kolishev, Sergei Maximovich Kuzmich, and Iakov Simeonovich Latvinov. Eleonora Kruger was welcomed by Dr. Peter Alexiev in his house. According to his information that he provided when he first came to Gabarevo Dr. Alexiev was born on 15 January 1884 in Smolensk, Russia. When Eleonora first came to the village she was registered as a Russian; she subsequently changed her nationality to Polish. She would tell the people that she was the daughter of a Russian nobleman and Polish countess; however, she would never reveal their names.

The other Russians were employed by Dr. Alexiev and Eleonora Kruger, and cooked and cleaned their house. They were soon joined by a young Russian named George Pavlovich Zhudin, who ended up living in the same house as Dr. Alexiev and Eleonora. George was described as a tall and slim man with a pale face, and it was told that George was sick with tuberculosis - the symptoms for tuberculosis and hemophilia can be similar (Anastasia's younger brother, Alexei, suffered from hemophilia). It was widely speculated that Nora and George were sister and brother, although they themselves never confirmed this.

George died on 27 December 1930, and was buried in the village of Gabarevo. Nora would often visit his grave and is said to have planted two trees there. After her death, she was buried on his right side, a tradition for Russian people related by blood. Additionally, when their graves were excavated in the 1990s, a ladanka was found in George's grave — a small icon of Christ customarily left inside the graves of high-profile Russian aristocrats.

The living arrangements between Dr. Alexiev and Nora made the people of Gabarevo uneasy. Rumors began to spread; eventually this would force Dr. Alexiev and Nora to marry. The marriage took place on 26 September 1924 – at the time of the marriage he was 40 and she was 25.

Nora loved and had many dogs; one of her dogs was named "Maron", which is a very unusual name for Bulgaria. The name is also an anagram for "Roman", short for Romanov. More simply, the meaning of "marron" in French is "brown", which is not unusual for the dog of a French teacher. The names of her other dogs were Rex, Tangra, Beba, Jimmy and Johnny.

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA

This is what is written on wikipedia ... I have also a photo of the alleged "Alexei" ... Want to see it?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 02, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Well, since this is a topic for claimant photos, it'll be nice of you to post it... :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 10:02:51 AM
Thank you very much!, Oh yes!, I want to see the photo, thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
Yes, you are right, hemophilia is only trasmitted by the mother.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 10:38:55 AM
... here here's the link to view Pavlovich George, the alleged Alexei!   http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/naotmaa_01/?action=view&current=Georgepavlovich.jpg (http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/naotmaa_01/?action=view&current=Georgepavlovich.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 02, 2009, 10:41:37 AM
Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 02, 2009, 10:46:56 AM

Well, I believe if Alexei had daughters, they would have been carriers too, but wouldn't have had hemophilia.

P.S.: Here's an explanation, I didn't write it... = "If a female gives birth to a hemophiliac child, either the female is a carrier for the disease or the hemophilia was the result of a spontaneous mutation. Until modern direct DNA testing, however, it was impossible to determine if a female with only healthy children was a carrier or not. Generally, the more healthy sons she bore, the higher the probability that she was not a carrier.

If a male is afflicted with the disease and has children with a female who is not even a carrier, his daughters will be carriers of hemophilia. His sons, however, will not be affected with the disease. The disease is X-linked and the father cannot pass hemophilia through the Y chromosome. Males with the disorder are then no more likely to pass on the gene to their children than carrier females, though all daughter they sire will be carriers and all sons they father will not have hemophilia (unless the mother is a carrier)."

Btw, thanks for the pic, gemellibru!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 02, 2009, 10:51:13 AM
I wonder how Leopold, duke of albany `s  children hadnt haemophilia or were carriers of the disease (if im wrong about this, please let me know, because, as far as i know, none of their children and their offspring had haemophilia or were carriers of the gen )
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
Guys I got a site that says that Anastasia did not have blue eyes! They say that Marie was to have blue eyes (in fact Nicholas II called the eyes of Marie "the saucers of Marie")
What do you say? I do not know what to think, help me!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 02, 2009, 12:23:17 PM
I always thought she had blue eyes *0*
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 02, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
Guys I got a site that says that Anastasia did not have blue eyes! They say that Marie was to have blue eyes (in fact Nicholas II called the eyes of Marie "the saucers of Marie")
What do you say? I do not know what to think, help me!

Maria had blue eyes. ;) I'm not so sure about Nastya's, though. Where did you read it, btw?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 02, 2009, 12:38:33 PM
Anastasia had blue eyes too... I would say Maria's eyes were more between blue and little gray...i'm not pretty sure...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: jehan on February 02, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
I wonder how Leopold, duke of albany `s  children hadnt haemophilia or were carriers of the disease (if im wrong about this, please let me know, because, as far as i know, none of their children and their offspring had haemophilia or were carriers of the gen )

It's getting OT for this thread, but yes, his daughter Alice was a carrier.   Her son Rupert bled to death after a car accident at 20 years of age.  He was known to be haemophiliac.  Another son died in infancy- we don't know of what.  Her daughter was not a carrier, fortunately.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on February 02, 2009, 02:53:23 PM
All of OTMAA had blue, with some grey colour. IMO, daughters of male hemophiliac are not hemophilia carriers.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: jehan on February 02, 2009, 03:00:14 PM
. IMO, daughters of male hemophiliac are not hemophilia carriers.

Sigh.  It doesn't matter what your opinion is, what matters are the facts.  Check out this site.  It's easy to follow.

http://www.hemophilia.ca/en/bleeding-disorders/hemophilia-a-and-b/heredity-of-hemophilia

quote-

"All the daughters will be obligate carriers of hemophilia since they must inherit the X chromosome which carries hemophilia from the father. All sons will be unaffected by hemophilia since they inherit the father's normal Y chromosome."



Now back to topic.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 02, 2009, 03:14:11 PM
Franastasia has vanished?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on February 02, 2009, 03:15:48 PM
Thank you very much. Female have doble X chromosome, so they are, how to say, 'stronger', they not suffer from it, but are carriers.

Quote
Now back to topic.
Good idea -- sorry, I do not have more claimants photos.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on February 02, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
Franastasia has vanished?

Franastasia refused to follow the rules despite numerous warnings. She/he is likely still in the mortal world, but is no longer permitted to be a guest on the Forum.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 03:29:16 AM
(http://home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/anastasia2.jpg) Anastasia and a impostor (granny Josephine)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 03:33:02 AM
(http://home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/olga.jpg)      This is a claimant of Olga ... her name is "Concetta"
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 03:35:20 AM
The grandson of this man says that his uncle is the Zarievich Alexei 
the name of "Alexei" is Francesco...
(http://home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/alexie1.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 03:36:14 AM
look this link:   http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/alexie1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/&usg=__zxUw9upY9ermbw7lmGb3MyKZDMI=&h=740&w=919&sz=385&hl=it&start=7&tbnid=znDVhrOAXzX2QM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=147&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThis%2Bcollage%2Bof%2Bphotos%2Bis%2Bof%2BOlga%2BN.%2BRomanov.%2BMy%2Bpaternal%2Bgmother%2BConcetta%2Bat%2Btop%2Bright.%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dit%26sa%3DG (http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/alexie1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexofdenmark/&usg=__zxUw9upY9ermbw7lmGb3MyKZDMI=&h=740&w=919&sz=385&hl=it&start=7&tbnid=znDVhrOAXzX2QM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=147&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThis%2Bcollage%2Bof%2Bphotos%2Bis%2Bof%2BOlga%2BN.%2BRomanov.%2BMy%2Bpaternal%2Bgmother%2BConcetta%2Bat%2Btop%2Bright.%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dit%26sa%3DG)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 03, 2009, 04:09:38 AM
Thank you!, these impostors are all new for me.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 04:10:33 AM
http://www.freewebs.com/anastasiafranziska/legendofannaanderson.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/anastasiafranziska/legendofannaanderson.htm)  look this site!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 03, 2009, 04:27:42 AM
Thank you for the link!, this web site is very interesting!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 03, 2009, 07:44:46 AM
(http://www.leonardoderasmo.com/Test.1.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 03, 2009, 08:07:42 AM
Gemellibru, thanks for the pics, some of them are new to me, but that pic of Anna Anderson has already been posted. I believe it would be better if pics don't repeat over and over again. ;)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 03, 2009, 08:11:21 AM
Hi Lisa,

Ha, ha, ha!!!  --  "likely still in the mortal world" - I love it!!!
Great expression and you just know I'm going to 'steal' it from you and use it!!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 03, 2009, 08:13:37 AM
(http://www.leonardoderasmo.com/Test.1.jpg)

The features of the face and the form of the chin of Anna Anderson are completely different from those of Anastasia.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 03, 2009, 09:34:09 AM
True enough, brother.
Well, those new claimants I've just seen now. Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on February 03, 2009, 03:00:02 PM
Hi Lisa,

Ha, ha, ha!!!  --  "likely still in the mortal world" - I love it!!!
Great expression and you just know I'm going to 'steal' it from you and use it!!!!

Larry

Hi Larry:

Steal as you will, mon cher! Glad you liked it.

Hope you're "walkin' on sunshine" soon!

Lisa
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 09, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
http://romanov.wifeo.com/autres-usurpations.php (http://romanov.wifeo.com/autres-usurpations.php) this interesting...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 09, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
Yeah, it's interesting - except, it's in French. Have you got it in English?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 09, 2009, 02:29:19 PM
http://romanov.wifeo.com/autres-usurpations.php (http://romanov.wifeo.com/autres-usurpations.php) this interesting...

That site is of one friend from YT....He did good job i agree with Nena
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 10, 2009, 08:03:16 AM
Wonderful website! :)
Fortunately I know a little of french.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 14, 2009, 08:08:59 AM
One friend of mine, that interests a lot him some claimants, has sent me a photo of a claimant of Tatiana! Her name is Maddes Aiort, in 1937-1938 she has said that it was the grand duchess Tatiana... Maddes Aiort died in 1982  of an unknown illness.
Thing done think of it? This impostor is not very famous!! I have looked for in the web but she has gone out only me the photo that I have put... This is the second claimant of Tatiana that I know... I knew only Larissa Tudor...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 14, 2009, 08:36:51 AM

Now I know a new impostor...so there are only 2 claimants for Tatiana?, which Grand Duchess have the largest number of claimants?, I suppose Anastasia.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 14, 2009, 09:05:09 AM
Oh my...she doesnt even look a bit like Tatiana! xD. How this kind of people had the nerve to claim they were part of the IF!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 14, 2009, 09:19:32 AM
I'm agree with you!, she doesn't look like Tatiana.

My opinion is that or they were completely insane, or they looked for a way to earn money and fame.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 14, 2009, 09:58:18 AM
Thank you for the link!
Now I know a new impostor...so there are only 2 claimants for Tatiana?, which Grand Duchess have the largest number of claimants?, I suppose Anastasia.

Here´s the statistics:
This is according to the Russian language documentary "Poslye Rasstrela" ("After the Execution").

Total number of "Russian imperial children" claimants since 1918:

Olga:    28 claimants

Tatiana:  33 claimants

Maria:    53 claimants

Anastasia:   33 claimants

Alexei:     81 claimants

Total:  228 "imperial children" who survived the Ekaterinburg massacre...  8)

Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 14, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
Thank you for the link!
Now I know a new impostor...so there are only 2 claimants for Tatiana?, which Grand Duchess have the largest number of claimants?, I suppose Anastasia.

No, Alexei has more claimants than Nastya. Oh, and I've never heard about that Tatiana claimant. Thanks for the pic, gemellibru!

P.S.: Oh, Ally posted the statistics. Thank you too, Ally!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 14, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
Hi,

My goodness - imagine - 5 children went into that basement and 228 came out!!!  What are the odds on that???

And, most of them were Alexei;  not Anastasia, as I would have guessed....  Oh well, better to be a claimant Czar than just a mere claimant Grand Duchess!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 14, 2009, 10:18:15 AM
Hi,

My goodness - imagine - 5 children went into that basement and 228 came out!!!  What are the odds on that???

And, most of them were Alexei;  not Anastasia, as I would have guessed....  Oh well, better to be a claimant Czar than just a mere claimant Grand Duchess!!!

Larry

LOL!  :)
Yeah!, better to be a claimant Czar!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 14, 2009, 11:14:20 AM
Thanks for the  statistics...I always thought Anastasia's claimants will be more then Alexei's.... Such a stupid people to claim they are royal...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on February 14, 2009, 11:15:47 AM
I think statistic came from Aleksei Nikolaevich documentary, not from 'Pered Rastrelom'. It is mentioned indeed, but in that documentary.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 14, 2009, 01:52:15 PM
Does someone of you know something on Maddes Aiort more? I know little!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 14, 2009, 01:59:26 PM
No, I've never heard about this claimant before. I believe this... Maddes Aiort wasn't very popular. ;)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 14, 2009, 08:49:22 PM
If you have some info about her, gemel, will you please post those here?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 15, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
I wanted to know if you know something more Maddess Aiort! I have only one photo of her ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 15, 2009, 07:20:43 AM
Thanks for the  statistics...I always thought Anastasia's claimants will be more then Alexei's.... Such a stupid people to claim they are royal...

what surprised me is that Maria had more claimants than Anastasia.....
And it would be interesting to know if all those, who claimed to be Alexei, had hemophilia....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 15, 2009, 07:26:43 AM
Yes i agree with Ally.....Maybe from all people who claimed to be royal...AA's story stays forever in history.....The good thing was that the world didn't continued to wonder was she really GDAN.... Now the case is closed right?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 15, 2009, 07:28:29 AM
Yes i agree with Ally.....Maybe from all people who claimed to be royal...AA's story stays forever in history.....The good thing was that the world didn't continued to wonder was she really GDAN.... Now the case is closed right?

Thanks to the DNA, yes, it is closed. But if the scientists hadn't done thesse tests, I'm sure many people would continue to wonder...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 15, 2009, 07:30:15 AM
Unfortunately they will.....To me the family rest in peace now...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 15, 2009, 09:08:47 AM
I confess that when I have heard for the first time the news of the recovery of the rests of the missing children, I was sceptic, in the beginning I didn't believe that they were really the remains of Maria and Alexei, but the text of DNA have convinced me, the remains are really those of Maria and Alexei.

The case is closed, all members of the Imperial Family rest in peace.

Sorry for my bad English.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 19, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
Hello guys! I just bought a book on Romanov ... In the last chapter is a list with many claimant (many of these claimant does not know). I will list all the names reported on the book:
Olga:
Marga Boots, Concetta Fedele, Olga Andromed (Gellargiy Romanov Andromed) and Sarah Osburne.
Tatiana:
Larissa Fedorovna (Marguerite Linsday), Michelle Anches, Maddess Brendon aiort and Tatia Romani.
Maria:
Cècile Czapska (Ceclava Czapska,Maria Romanov Dolgoruky), granny Alena, Maria Martì, Arevees Iacowelly (Arevees Romanov), Anatoly Ionov ("son" of Anastasia), Alysen Kabrohsky (Alyson Kabrohk Romanov) and Rossella Digioia.
Anastasia:
Franziska Schanzoshka (Anna Anderson, Anastasia Manahan), Ivanova Vasileva, Magdalen Veres, Eugenia Smith, Natalia Petrovna, Josephine Fedele, Eleonora Kruger, Jackye Romanov (Rosalia Svent) and Ambers Ghannimeb.
Alexei:
Alexei Poutzaiato, Vassily Filatov, Heino Tammett, Nikolai Nikolaevich Dalsky ("son" of Alexei), Edward B. Shabadin-Koltunov, Joseph Veres, Micheal Goloniwesky, Francesco Fedele, Georgi Zhudin, Marc Polsrest (Marc Romanov), Saculbey Ivan Chamell,       Andrew Romanov (Andrew Giohovanny Romanov), Joseph Veres, Cuzzhiatoyi Gisubioynky and Marterster Ursubuy.
Other claimants:
Suzanna Catharina de Graaff. Was a Dutch woman who claimed to be the fifth daughter of Nicholas and Alexandra, born in 1903 when Alexandra was reported to have had a "hysterical pregnancy".
I know some of them. This book says that none of the Romanovs escaped from home Ipatiev ... What do you think? Do you have photos of some of these unknown claimant?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 19, 2009, 11:37:21 AM
Thank you very much!, I don't know many claimants of the list, which is the title of the book?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 19, 2009, 12:01:50 PM
There are three different books, but I only bought the third book. The first is called "tragedy of the Romanovs Part I", the second book is called "tragedy of the Romanovs Part II" and the third book (the one I own) is called the "tragedy of the Romanovs Part III." The last chapter is dedicated to the claimant. In the other chapters are very interesting things (like the last pages of the diary of Anastasia, photos , the last letters of the Romanovs, interviews with revolutionaries still alive, comments from journalists about the death of the Romanovs) and many other things very interesting. The first two books, I have not bought them because there were things I already knew. The first book talks about the lives of the Romanovs in 1913.1914. It also contains pages of diary of Grand Duchess. Letters, photos, comments of journalists and so on. The second book speaks of 1915.1916. Comments of several journalists, photos, a few sentences spoken by Lenin and the revolutionary, letters from the Romanov ... The third book, for me, it's certainly the most interesting! However, the book title is "tragedy of the Romanovs Part III."
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 19, 2009, 12:03:47 PM
I will try to find on the Internet, photos of the claimant that we do not know.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 19, 2009, 12:05:54 PM
There are three different books, but I only bought the third book. The first is called "tragedy of the Romanovs Part I", the second book is called "tragedy of the Romanovs Part II" and the third book (the one I own) is called the "tragedy of the Romanovs Part III." The last chapter is dedicated to the claimant. In the other chapters are very interesting things (like the last pages of the diary of Anastasia, photos , the last letters of the Romanovs, interviews with revolutionaries still alive, comments from journalists about the death of the Romanovs) and many other things very interesting. The first two books, I have not bought them because there were things I already knew. The first book talks about the lives of the Romanovs in 1913.1914. It also contains pages of diary of Grand Duchess. Letters, photos, comments of journalists and so on. The second book speaks of 1915.1916. Comments of several journalists, photos, a few sentences spoken by Lenin and the revolutionary, letters from the Romanov ... The third book, for me, it's certainly the most interesting! However, the book title is "tragedy of the Romanovs Part III."

Thank you very much!  :)
I hope that I can find this book here in Italy too.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 19, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
I believe there are photos of many of the claimants somewhere in the forum. If you search a bit, I'm sure you'll find some. :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 19, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
I have found some information on Averees  Iacowelly (a claimant of Maria). it is an interesting history, you read here:
In the 23 January of 1919 in a village of the Polonoia, a mysterious woman came. Nobody knew her name. Its body was covered by numerous serious scars. The woman began to make herself call Averees  Iacowelly . A neighbor of Averees speculated around that her neighbor was the granduchessa Anastasia. Averees denied and moved him to another village of Poland. There a man recognized that Averees  as Maria, the third daughter of Niola II. The day later Averees ran away from Poland going to Russia. In the 1921 Averees  married a soldier named Carlk Dianohgjy and it had a child (to which was given him the name of Niola). Averees returned together with Nicola and her husband Carlk in Poland. In the 1956 Nicola it died of Hemophilia and Averees it entered the total depression. Averees often repeated among if and if "the whole dead family, everybody." Carlk died in 1965 and Averees emigrated in Switzerland. Averees again married him a dealer named Gjohvan Riccha. In the 1979 Averees it died of tuberculosis. On her headstone  is written there "Maria Romanov 1899-1979." Subsequently was made a comparison among the writing of Maria with that of Averees. The writing was identical. Some pages of diary of Averees were found. In one of these  was written there "Another article on Ann Anderson. I cannot see more than the name of the Romanovs of it as a mean to be used for making money. They are the 9 and a half and I am tired! Good night Nicola. Good night Carlk. Good night mother, good night dad, good night OTA, good night A." Many believe that Averees is never exposed in public as Maria because she wanted to be left from everything and from everybody alone.
And i have found some photos of Averees Iacowelly:
http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=9028498995441660Averees.jpg (http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=9028498995441660Averees.jpg)      this is Averees Iacowelly. MARIA??? 
http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=0897615730815521559.jpg (http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=0897615730815521559.jpg)            this is Averees Iacowelly. MARIA???
What u do think???
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: amartin71718 on February 19, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
She doesn't really look like her.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 20, 2009, 04:00:11 AM
Interesting story!, the most interesting particular is that her son died of hemophilia, but of course I think that was a coincidence and that she was not the real Maria.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 20, 2009, 09:44:06 AM
Of course, a story very iteressanting ... The things that impressed me most are 3: the first is that the son of Averees died of haemophilia, and the other thing is that she had severe wounds on the body and the third (most important) is as follows: in the pages diary of Averees there are some very interesting phrases like "good night mom, dad goodnight, goodnight OTA, goodnight A". I wonder one thing: why in the pages DIIAR had written a thing? I believe that Averees would have had no interest in lying in the diary! And then the test between the writing with that of Averees maria Romanov showed that writing was the same. Averees was never shown in public as Mary. Some people exchanged Averees for anastasia. Averees denied to be Anastasia. A man, subsequently said, that Averees was Maria. In this case Averees do not denied, and it ran to Russia... There are significant elements too ... I wonder whether it is merely a coincidence, or a truth! In any case Averees did not want to get their hands on the heritage of the Romanovs! And then I think the similarity is somewhat ... The first photos I posted of Averees is 1943 ... It looks like Alexandra, if you care. The second picture dates around 1930-1931-1932-1933. The exact date is unknown!  
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 20, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
(http://www3.telus.net/mtnclimb/pers/family/images/tudor/larissaTudor-closeup.jpg) a bad photo of Larissa Tudor (Marguerite Linsday,Larissa Fedorovna). She claimed to be the granduchess Tatiana!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 20, 2009, 11:06:15 AM
Larissa Tudor, according to you, there is only one photo? We can not infer anything from a picture so blurry! I Try to search the sites of Russian photos of Larissa Tudor ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 20, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
The photo of Larissa Tudor that you have already posted is the only one that I know of this claimant, maybe there are better quality pictures of her on the web.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 20, 2009, 01:57:57 PM
Of course, a story very iteressanting ... The things that impressed me most are 3: the first is that the son of Averees died of haemophilia, and the other thing is that she had severe wounds on the body and the third (most important) is as follows: in the pages diary of Averees there are some very interesting phrases like "good night mom, dad goodnight, goodnight OTA, goodnight A". I wonder one thing: why in the pages DIIAR had written a thing? I believe that Averees would have had no interest in lying in the diary! And then the test between the writing with that of Averees maria Romanov showed that writing was the same. Averees was never shown in public as Mary. Some people exchanged Averees for anastasia. Averees denied to be Anastasia. A man, subsequently said, that Averees was Maria. In this case Averees do not denied, and it ran to Russia... There are significant elements too ... I wonder whether it is merely a coincidence, or a truth! In any case Averees did not want to get their hands on the heritage of the Romanovs! And then I think the similarity is somewhat ... The first photos I posted of Averees is 1943 ... It looks like Alexandra, if you care. The second picture dates around 1930-1931-1932-1933. The exact date is unknown!  

It's a coincidence. It wasn't even sure if the Grand Duchesses were carriers of hemophilia. It's possible, since Alix had hemophilia, but I guess we'll never know for sure. The fact that she had scars is one thing, and we can not say where she got them. Third, I have a question for you: did she write their names (Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia etc.) or just OTA and A? If she didn't write the names, it doesn't mean a lot too, there are a lot of people in the world who have such initials. Oh, and btw, who said it was not a lie? She could have written lies in her diary - everybody who wants can do that. For the photos you posted - her nose doesn't look like Maria's. And you can see her eyes are dark, and not blue like Mashka's. Anyway, all of the bodies are found, which means that no one escaped. This is enough for me. I don't know why some people don't except the truth...

P.S.: The pic of Larissa Tudor has already been posted. It's not very good when the same pictures are posted again and again. ;) This is the only pic of her I know, so I'm not sure if you'll manage to find one. :-\
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 20, 2009, 02:17:41 PM
Tina, I have not said that is Averees Iacowelly Maria Romanov! Why you always so hostile? and then I have not said that I was the first to find a photo of Larissa Tudor, I was just telling my reflection! I know that all of the Romanovs are dead, but I seemed strange coincidences ... However, the diary says "OTA goodnight" "A good night." the names have not been written. However this is really strange ... On the tomb says Maria Romanov, and averees never said in public that she was Mary. And because her son is named Nicholas? And then why when people have said that she was Anastasia, she refused, and when, instead, they recognized her as Maria ,she ran away to Russia? I do not know ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 20, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
Sorry if I offended you. I didn't want to be mean. Anyway, coincidences are coincidences, and not facts, right?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 20, 2009, 03:51:30 PM
right...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 20, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
(http://www3.telus.net/mtnclimb/pers/family/images/tudor/larissaTudor-closeup.jpg) a bad photo of Larissa Tudor (Marguerite Linsday,Larissa Fedorovna). She claimed to be the granduchess Tatiana!
I can see her (Larissa"s) face clearly and she's got that enormous nose and sharp chin that Tatiana lacks.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 21, 2009, 03:12:44 AM
Yes, you're right about that.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 21, 2009, 03:39:21 AM
All impostors don't look at themselves a thousand times on the mirror.That's the reason why they're always get caught in the act of deception. 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 21, 2009, 08:42:54 AM
Regarding the photos of Larissa Tudor: we assume that both Larissa, but nothing is safe. In a site I found this: "A picture from the Harrowgate Herald in 1918, showing a group of exiled Russian aristocrats. The face in the circle is unidentified, but the speculation is that this is Larissa Tudor." It is not known, therefore, with certainty whether it was Larissa ...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on February 21, 2009, 08:47:03 AM
http://www3.telus.net/mtnclimb/pers/family/owenTudor.html (http://www3.telus.net/mtnclimb/pers/family/owenTudor.html) This is an iteresting site of Larissa Tudor...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 21, 2009, 09:01:24 AM
The most astonishing is the last picture on that site - Tudor´s second wife. Familiar pose....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 21, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
Hi to everybody! I am a new member!
I love collecting the photos of the impostors. I have seen this message of gemellbru and I have deduced that you don't know any of that claimants brought by gemelbru. I have so many photos and a lot of information really interesting respect to the greatest part of these unknown claimants.
I begin with Michelle Anches (a false Tatiana), that, according to me, it has indeed an interesting and scheming history:
The history of Michelle Anches:
After the 1918 execution there were as impostors that, somehow, they wanted to appropriate some patrimony of the Romanovs faking  the children of the czar. One of these were Michelle Anches, that he held Tatiana the second daughter of the czar. Michelle sojourned for two years in a hotel of Siberia (1923 -1924). In November of 1925, Michelle put on in trip for Paris, in the hope of making herself recognize from Queen Maria Fedorovna. Lodging in a suburb in Paris, in 1926, the presumed Tatiana dies. It is not clear yet if it deals with a suicide or of a homicide. In the room where Michelle lived the last seconds of her life there were various photos and books. Many of these books were  written in Russian. Some books were French and some English.
Many researchers believe that Michelle Anches was killed by some bolschevichis, that had understood that the woman was the daughter of the czar. In effects the similarity there was. A detail, for the presumed Tatiana, it is this: the name Michelle Anches is not recorded in any place. In 1933 a man, named Francisc Brunet, says that he had known the grand duchess Tatiana under the name of Michelle Anches. These are the words of Francisc on Michelle: "I have known the grand duchess Tatiana! I was a doorman of a hotel of Siberia and one day, precisely in October of 1923, I saw to reach a girl-woman the very aristocratic appearance. It didn't have a name. After a time it made him call Michelle Anches. I have sometimes talked to her in Russian and in French. Michelle speak the languages very well. When, one day, I asked her from that family originated, she began to tremble and to cry. After it calmed down, it told me, with a tone very depressed: "I come from a Russian noble family that has unjustly been executed from of the wicked men. I believe that you know of what family am speaking!". To the beginning I didn't believe her, but, after some time, I saw some photos on the newspaper of the Russian imperial family. There was also a photo of Tatiana. It was to that point that became me account that Michelle was Tatiana the second daughter of the last czar of Russia. When I was about to go to her I knew that Michelle gone away. She had gone to find her "grandmother" to Paris. I begged God that the empress Maria recognized her nephew. But after one year I came to know that Michelle had been found dead in a suburb in Paris." This is the story of Francisc Brunet.  Still he doesn't know today of the identity of Michelle Aches. This is a photo of Michelle, gone off around the 1925. http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=Anchrom_098546.jpg (http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=Anchrom_098546.jpg)
Does thing seem of it?
and sorry for my bad English!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 21, 2009, 01:59:34 PM
Thanks for this story,  but there's a detail bothering me, Maria Feodorovna was living in Denmark at this time, not in Paris, right?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 21, 2009, 02:15:52 PM
be true, excuse me! The empress was in danimarca! I have confused! Still excuse me!However, according to me, Michelle Aches is alike to Tatiana. I will perhaps be wrong, but in the photo they seem me similar. I don't say that Tatiana escaped from house Ipatiev (I know him/it that all the members of the family Romanovs died in the 1918) but, I repeat, Michelle resembles to Tatiana. You thing thought of it?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 21, 2009, 02:17:53 PM
I think that story has several discrepancies (of course, Michelle is an impostor, no doubt she would make false stories).
Bit about 1/100 probability she looks alike Tatya. Anyway, it's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 22, 2009, 03:53:36 AM
Welcome in the Alexander Palace time machine forum!
You have done a really good start by telling a very intriguing and mysterious story, thank you!
Obviously I don't believe that Michelle Aches was the real Tatiana, but in this story there are many interesting particulars.
Do you believe that she died by natural causes or that she was killed?
However, your english is very good! ;-)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 22, 2009, 04:45:41 AM
 His children claimed to have resemblances with the Imperial Family, and didn't claim to be for example Olga A. or Alix, or Nicholas. ;) It would have been impossible for Alexei to be the father of his own mother and father. ;)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 22, 2009, 04:52:53 AM
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for having said that my English was good, romanovsfanforever!!! Thank you! However I believe that Michelle was killed by men. I do not know who. The theories are many! I do not believe that she has committed suicide! You, however, what do you think? Have you seen the photos of Michelle? In your opinion is somewhat similar to the beautiful Tatiana? There are many interesting details of the story of Michelle. I do not know what to believe. I am convinced that the entire Romanov family is dead Ipatiev home, but I wonder one thing: how come there were so many claimant? And if one of them was a Romanov, and nobody has given rise? I waited until the last one of that Romanov had been saved, but after the discovery of the bodies of Alexei and Maria, my hopes were dissolved!
 Anyway I love having the pictures of the claimant. Are interesting, even if they are impostors. The most interesting stories of all the claimant, for me, are those of Vassily Filatov, Alexei Poutzaiato, Michelle Anches and Ivanova Vasileva. The story of Averees Iacowelly know recently. Even that is an interesting story. I saw photos of her. Not much like the beautiful Maria.  I can not understand how Anna Anderson was able to convince so many people! It has nothing in common with the lovely Anastasia! Anna Anderson is more similar to Tatiana that  Anastasia! You know some names of the claimant who posted gemelsbru? I am certain! I do not know very well the claimant Alexei, because in principle, not interest me. I am interested in much of the claimant Tatiana. But for now, I know very few! I only know Michelle Anches, Larissa Fedororvna and Maddess Aiort. Even Maria claimant interest me very much! I know the story of Ceclava Czapska, Averees Iacowelly, Ganny Alin and Alyson Kabrohk. You Want some information of some claimant of Maria?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 22, 2009, 05:01:17 AM
I am convinced that the entire Romanov family is dead Ipatiev home, but I wonder one thing: how come there were so many claimant?

There were so many claimants because OTMAA simply were from the Russian Imperial Family... That's a way to get fame and money.
Many men claimed to be Louis XVII of France, for example. 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 22, 2009, 05:05:35 AM

Maybe Michelle Aches was killed, I don't believe that she committed suicide.
I have seen the photo of her, I have to admit that she was similar to Tatiana, but just similar and not identical.

I don't know very much about Ceclava Czapska and Alyson Kabrohk, oh yes, I want to know more about some claimants of Maria.
Obviously I'm totally sure that all the members of the Imperial Family died in that tragic night of july of 1918.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 22, 2009, 05:12:34 AM
Ceclava Czapska = Is a womanon who claimed to be the Grand Duchess Maria. On 20 January 1919 in Romania, she married prince Nicolas Dolgoruky. Had two daughters, Yolanda and Beatrice. According to a book (l'affaire des Romanov) Marga Boots, Larissa Tudor, Ceclava Czapska and Anna Anderson were the real Grand Duchess. Ceclava Czapska died in December of 1970 in Rome.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 22, 2009, 08:54:34 AM
Alyson Kabrohk = is a woman who claimed to be Maria. I do not know much about her. I know only that since 1920 claimed to be Maria. Her stunt was discovered almost immediately (precisely in 1922) and Alyson was forced to leave Japan, going to Italy. Died in 1976 in Naples.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 22, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Thank you for the informations about these claimants, so Alison Kabrohk died in Naples and Ceclava Czapska died in Rome?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 22, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
Have you got pics of Czapska and Kabrohk, Tatiana?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 23, 2009, 03:01:40 AM
http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=scan0021-1.jpg (http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=scan0021-1.jpg) This is Ceclava  (I know that this picture has already been put on the site. I do not know by whom.)
http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=Maria08535667777775345.jpg (http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=Maria08535667777775345.jpg) This is Alyson
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 23, 2009, 04:41:19 AM
Have you got pics of Czapska and Kabrohk, Tatiana?

I posted some of Czapska at the first pages of the thread :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 23, 2009, 07:00:23 AM
Alyson does not resemble at all the beautiful Grand Duchess Maria!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 23, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=michell067965859550505.jpg (http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=michell067965859550505.jpg) This is another photo of Michelle Anches. For those who do not know, she claimed to be the Grand Duchess Tatiana Romanov, daughter of Czar Nicholas II of Russia. I know that Michelle Anches is an imposter, but looks like Tatiana!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 24, 2009, 03:09:49 AM
I agree with you. You'll know she's an impostor because you can't feel her charm and enigma unlike what Tatiana does.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 24, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
We all know that ALL of the Romanovs died at home Ipativ in 1918! Let's pretend this is not the case and someone will be saved: you who believe (the claimant)?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 24, 2009, 12:18:45 PM
We all know that ALL of the Romanovs died at home Ipativ in 1918! Let's pretend this is not the case and someone will be saved: you who believe (the claimant)?

I believe discussing this (pretending that that's not the case and somebody was saved) is against the forum rules. I hope a moderator or the forum admin will correct me if I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 24, 2009, 01:12:26 PM
Ok ...
 
 

Sorry I did not know that this could not comment!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 24, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Well, I said, I'm not a moderator, so I can't actually say if you can do it or not, I'm just saying that there were members who wanted to discuss this too, and judging to what happened, I just think that it's not allowed. :-\
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 24, 2009, 02:06:36 PM
Well, I said, I'm not a moderator, so I can't actually say if you can do it or not, I'm just saying that there were members who wanted to discuss this too, and judging to what happened, I just think that it's not allowed. :-\

I have to agree with Tina.....You must read just the other pages on the same topic...but if i'm not wrong the AP deleted the comments posted on the same theme of the possible surviving of the Romanovs... It's just not nice to dispute again this theme because it will be also off topic ...i think Tina was speaking nicely..couldn't find anything rude....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 24, 2009, 02:16:30 PM
Well, I said, I'm not a moderator, so I can't actually say if you can do it or not, I'm just saying that there were members who wanted to discuss this too, and judging to what happened, I just think that it's not allowed. :-\

I have to agree with Tina.....You must read just the other pages on the same topic...but if i'm not wrong the AP deleted the comments posted on the same theme of the possible surviving of the Romanovs... It's just not nice to dispute again this theme because it will be also off topic ...i think Tina was speaking nicely..couldn't find anything rude....

Exactly. The whole family died in the Ipatiev house, this has been completely proven. Let's just discuss about their claims, not if they were part of the IF.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 25, 2009, 04:00:26 AM
http://izbickijromanov2007.narod.ru/ (http://izbickijromanov2007.narod.ru/) Look this site!!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 25, 2009, 04:05:46 AM
She doesn´t look a bit like Anastasia. And they identified Tatiana as Maria in one picture..
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 25, 2009, 04:12:08 AM
Yes you are right! While making the money
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 25, 2009, 07:27:00 AM
I agree with you. That's what impostors all do.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 25, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
She doesn´t look a bit like Anastasia. And they identified Tatiana as Maria in one picture..

Yes, that's right. I don't know what these people are up to... after the bodies are found, they still continue with this stuff...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 26, 2009, 05:11:35 AM
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jwsks.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jwsks.jpg)     Good day to all! I found a newspaper article written in Russian, about Michelle Anches.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 26, 2009, 10:12:35 AM
Good Catch,  How did you find that?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 26, 2009, 10:33:24 AM
I love to look for the news of the claimant! I go to see so many sites and in the end I always find something that interests me! I found this newspaper article on a Russian site. 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on February 26, 2009, 10:39:07 AM
You're so industrious indeed!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 26, 2009, 11:15:10 AM
oh, thank you!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 28, 2009, 06:28:16 AM
http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=claimantlist.jpg (http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/tatianabettergirl/?action=view&current=claimantlist.jpg) look this
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 28, 2009, 07:27:52 AM
Great work! i hope I´ll get to know those people....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on February 28, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
I can only agree - some photos are new for me.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on February 28, 2009, 09:53:35 AM
Which photos are new to you?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on February 28, 2009, 09:55:45 AM
Some of Tatiana, Olga and Alexei's claimants.  ;)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 28, 2009, 10:48:36 AM
Oh wow!...Thank you very much!, some photos are new for me too.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on March 02, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on March 18, 2009, 02:36:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/AnnaAnderson1902.jpg)

This picture shows  up on search engines and traces back here. It is from the Guy Richards book "Hunt for the Czar" in which the author claims the picture is of AA/FS as a child. Is it really her? Where did he get this? It looks like it could be her little. It looks like it was cut from a larger family photo, standing next to a woman in a similar dress. It could be that there are many more pictures of FS before she became AA out there and we just don't have them. Does anyone know how Richards obtained this photo?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on March 18, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Oh, Lemur, It's indeed a good catch!

I think she looks more like FS, judging her nose. 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on March 21, 2009, 09:52:44 AM
Oh, Lemur, It's indeed a good catch!

I think she looks more like FS, judging her nose. 

It is a good catch. It does look like Franziska, but, what do you mean by "looks more" like FS? I always thought Anna Anderson and Franziska Schanzkowska were the same person... :-\
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 21, 2009, 01:52:04 PM
Quote
I always thought Anna Anderson and Franziska Schanzkowska were the same person...

It is same person.... И както знаеш спореха тук с фраанастасия за днк-то и т.н
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on March 21, 2009, 02:14:09 PM
Quote
I always thought Anna Anderson and Franziska Schanzkowska were the same person...

It is same person.... И както знаеш спореха тук с фраанастасия за днк-то и т.н

Oops, вярно... съвсем бях забравила... :-[
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on March 21, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
I agree that nose does look just like her in the pictures where she's older as AA.

Has this one been posted yet? It's Michael Goleniewski, who claimed he was Alexei

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/Goleniewski.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on March 21, 2009, 04:17:02 PM
I believe this one wasn't posted. :-\ Thanks for it, Lemur. :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on March 21, 2009, 09:38:42 PM
Oh, good. There are other pictures of the rest of his 'family' but I don't think they've been scanned. He claimed his father was Nicholas, and that his 'sisters' were Olga and Tatiana. Another Polish woman claimed to be Maria, and he accepted Eugenia Smith as "Anastasia".
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on March 21, 2009, 11:12:17 PM
Now, I just found out that impostors do understand each other in the case of that Polish woman who claimed to be maria and Rugenia Smith (though i don't know if both of them saw each other vis a vis).
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on March 22, 2009, 04:42:10 AM
Now, I just found out that impostors do understand each other in the case of that Polish woman who claimed to be maria and Rugenia Smith (though i don't know if both of them saw each other vis a vis).

Yes, they were some claimants, who, in order to help themselves, agreed with other claimants and made some plans in order to prove they really are members of the IF... lunatics...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 22, 2009, 06:03:09 AM
I was thinking these days how interesting is to claim that you are royal...and for example like AA who claimed to be TSAR'S daughter.....And i was thinking that if i was born let's say in the beginning of the 20's...and i was interest in the family i would believe she really is...so the people which didn't believe and knew the family are really strong...I can put myself on the place of the others which believed....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Masha_Misha on April 05, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
There are some photos of Vassili Vassilievich Yakovlev, which are not published in the claimant section yet

1918
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv323/mishka_2009/yakovlev_1918.jpg)

1920
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv323/mishka_2009/yakovlev_1920.jpg)

1938
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv323/mishka_2009/yakovlev_1938.jpg)

greetings :)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on April 05, 2009, 01:41:28 PM
Great photos, but I have never heard he was claimant, or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 05, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Well me too....Never heard of him
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Masha_Misha on April 05, 2009, 01:56:46 PM
Vassili Vassilievich Yakovlev (Konstantin Alexeievich Miachin) was a man, who was ordered to transport the imperial family away from Tobolsk.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on April 05, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
Yes, he left memories, from what I have read. Thank you!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on April 09, 2009, 02:40:28 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/AnnaAnderson1902.jpg)

This picture shows  up on search engines and traces back here. It is from the Guy Richards book "Hunt for the Czar" in which the author claims the picture is of AA/FS as a child. Is it really her? Where did he get this? It looks like it could be her little. It looks like it was cut from a larger family photo, standing next to a woman in a similar dress. It could be that there are many more pictures of FS before she became AA out there and we just don't have them. Does anyone know how Richards obtained this photo?
is not Anna Anderson
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on April 09, 2009, 02:45:33 PM
How do you know? The book "Hunt for the Czar" by Guy Richards said it was her. It has the same nose as her. It is young FS. There are probably more pictures of her we are not aware of yet.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 11, 2009, 07:04:40 AM

You can't be sure, can you? :-/
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: stepan on April 12, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
 This photo is most likely not Anna Anderson. A long time ago this photo was discussed in another thread and someone thought it probably is Eugenia Smith. And it looks more like Eugenia I think. And we can´t ask Guy Richards where he got this photo from since he is dead since many years. I haven´t seen it anywhere else. A real mystery!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 12, 2009, 06:20:47 PM

Well, we'll probably never know... But, I think Eugenia Smith has a bit different face structure than the girl in the picture...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on April 13, 2009, 05:35:45 PM
I think it is AA for these reasons. I agree with the person who said the noses are alike. The nose looks like AA's nose not Eugenia's, she had a thinner nose. The picture is said to be from 1902 and in that year FS would have been six, Eugenia only 3. The girl looks more like six. Guy Richards in his book seemed to be on the side of the Goleniewski family, and they accepted Smith as their "Anastasia" therefore he would not be out to discredit Smith but Andersen. I have always believed there were other pictures of FS in existence but we have not seen them. Maybe he had one and used it, but supporters of Andersen did not want to use it because they wanted you to think she was Anastasia and this is why you see it nowhere else?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: stepan on April 13, 2009, 06:26:38 PM
There is only one known photo of Franziska. It would have been a sensation if Guy Richards had succeeded to find another one.I think he would have said so. Therefore I don´t think it is Franziska. Ofcourse I think it´s strange that no more photos of Franziska have appeared. There must have been more. Perhaps the Schanzkowski relatives have more photos but they have always been rather reticent. So it´s anyone´s guess who the girl in the picture is.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on April 14, 2009, 09:44:15 AM
There is only one known photo of Franziska. It would have been a sensation if Guy Richards had succeeded to find another one.I think he would have said so. Therefore I don´t think it is Franziska. Ofcourse I think it´s strange that no more photos of Franziska have appeared. There must have been more. Perhaps the Schanzkowski relatives have more photos but they have always been rather reticent. So it´s anyone´s guess who the girl in the picture is.

That's it, Stepan, there is only one known photo, but as you say that seems very strange there aren't more and there must be but the family does not want to share them. Another thing to consider is that those who write books about AA are supporters of hers, and the last thing they would want to do would be to show us pictures of a young Franziska that looked very much like AA. As I said before, Guy Richards was not an AA supporter, but seemed to lean in the direction of supporting the Goleniewki  family who accepted Smith as their "sister" "Anastasia." Therefore, Richards would not have a problem with showing us a picture of a young Franziska and telling us it was AA. It is a shame he is dead and there is nothing in the book to explain where the picture came from and why he believes it to be Andersen.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on April 14, 2009, 11:51:06 AM
Richards  wrote a book?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: stepan on April 15, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
Guy Richards wrote three books on the Romanovs: "Imperial Agent" about the Goleniewski case, "The Hunt for the Czar" and
 "The Rescue of the Romanovs".

His theory was that they all escaped. This was long before the grave was found in 1979.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 16, 2009, 12:08:08 PM
Guy Richards wrote three books on the Romanovs: "Imperial agent" about the Goleniewski case, "The hunt for the czar" and "The rescue of the Romanovs". His theory was that they all escaped. This was long before the grave was found in 1979.

The grave was not found in 1979... ;-)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on April 16, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
It was found in 1979, but since the Soviet regime was still in power those who made the discovery were afraid and covered it back up. They went back to dig it up again in 1991 after communism fell.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: nena on April 16, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Yes, remains were firstly found in 1979, by G. Ryabov, see:

http://romanov-memorial.com/Final_Chapter.htm
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on April 18, 2009, 08:13:33 AM
A photo of Averees Iacowelly (a claimant of Maria Romanov) in 1919:
http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=IMGP2913-1.jpg (http://s677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/gemellibru/?action=view&current=IMGP2913-1.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 18, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
Well, I have to say the the woman in the last one looks NOTHING like the real Maria! >:(
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on April 18, 2009, 08:48:34 AM
I have not said that, the woman, resemble to Maria! This topic has called "photos of claimant" and I have put a photo of a claimant!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 18, 2009, 09:01:58 AM
I have not said that, the woman, resemble to Maria! This topic has called "photos of claimant" and I have put a photo of a claimant!

Yes, yes, I know. I just expressed my opinion on the claimant (=she doesn't look like Maria). : )
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on April 18, 2009, 09:34:53 AM
Yes! be true that she doesn't resemble to Maria Romanov
but Averees in that photo is nice! : D
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 18, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Tina don't be angry on those people who claimed....I accept them as people with problems (in their head) Averees or how ever she is LOOKS NOTHING like Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna..... Probably thats why her claimed isn't famous.....Just impostor!
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on April 18, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
Tina don't be angry on those people who claimed....I accept them as people with problems (in their head) Averees or how ever she is LOOKS NOTHING like Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna..... Probably thats why her claimed isn't famous.....Just impostor!

That's right - impostor, just like all other claimants. : )
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: gemellibru on April 18, 2009, 10:24:35 AM
But Averees  has never sustained to be Maria... There was some people that declared that Averees was Anastasia.... Then they sustained that Averees was Maria.... But Averees, do I repeat, has not ever sustained to be Maria ok?
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 18, 2009, 10:27:25 AM
Ahh i see Thanks
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 06, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
Anna Anderson
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_879.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/879.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_y87.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/y87.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_7777777.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/7777777.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 06, 2009, 03:26:20 PM
I never really understood why she was always hiding the lower part of her face...
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on May 06, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
I never really understood why she was always hiding the lower part of her face...

I believe that it was something with her teeth... and yes, when she was smiling etc. on photos she usually covered her mouth.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 06, 2009, 03:37:43 PM
I heard somewhere that she got scar on left side near the mouth...but don't believe it.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 06, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
This is just a guess, but perhaps AA did this because she knew at some level she was not ANR and covered her lower face so that no one could notice how much she did not look like Anastasia? I think consciously she may have believed was was ANR, but since she was likely mentally ill, perhaps this coverup was actually a tiny burst of rationality?

Like I said, just a guess.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 06, 2009, 04:55:51 PM
It may the reason - a habit which stayed with her even after (as I believe) she convinced herself she was Anastasia....
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Maria Romanova on May 08, 2009, 01:23:15 PM
http://romanovfile.multiply.com/photos/album/45/OLGA_NICOLAIEVNA_1936#1 (http://romanovfile.multiply.com/photos/album/45/OLGA_NICOLAIEVNA_1936#1) Marga Boddts.... :(
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on May 10, 2009, 02:44:24 AM
I never really understood why she was always hiding the lower part of her face...

The reason why she's doing that is  because she has no teeth ( I've read this in a website dedicated to her but I forgot the url already).
PS: Definitely not Olga (",). 
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Tina Laroche on May 10, 2009, 03:05:43 AM
I never really understood why she was always hiding the lower part of her face...

The reason why she's doing that is  because she has no teeth ( I've read this in a website dedicated to her but I forgot the url already).

Ha, I knew there was something with her teeth! I also think I read it on a site once - but can't remember the address.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 10, 2009, 05:17:03 AM
Anna 1921
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_786.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/786.jpg)
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Lemur on May 10, 2009, 08:19:15 AM
That is an interesting one, look at all her bedside stuff! I don't believe it's 1921 though, because she looks way too old.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 10, 2009, 08:25:40 AM
It was labeled so but still i don't know
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: Olga Maria on May 10, 2009, 10:48:31 PM
Another discrepancy that AA made, IMO: If she really was AN, she should not have covered her mouth even she lost all her teeth. The real Anastasia is not shy to conceal her “teeth-stripped” mouth when photographed, I think so.
Title: Re: Photos of Claimants
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 11, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
I'm going to shut this particular thread now.

You are welcome to discuss claimants under different topics.