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Title: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on October 21, 2006, 01:11:09 PM
Interesting photo of GD Georgiy --he is bearded :) - and his mother Empress MF during one of her visits to Abbas-Tuman.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mgabas.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on December 05, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
George's home:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/image983AbasToumanw.jpg)

His funeral:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/romanov/image978Georgefuneralw.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Bach on December 15, 2006, 01:05:04 PM
Did anyone from the IF attend the funeral?

grandduchessella, I'm always just floored by your collection of photos and postcards of this era and its players.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on December 15, 2006, 11:06:37 PM
Thanks, Bach. These came from L'Illustration (the French version of the Illustrated London News) which had 2 consecutive issues detailing his passing. It was mostly illustrative, and in French, so I'm not sure what all was written about the funeral. After I scanned the images, I put the pages away.  :-\

He did have a state funeral in St Petersburg though so I imagine most members of the family were there. The photo gets shrunk, but you can see Nicholas in the funeral sketch.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 16, 2006, 01:42:17 AM
I heard a story once that his mother absolutely broke down at his burial, after losing her baby Alexander her husband, and then George. Yes, the entire Imperial Family was there, as George was the Tsesarevich. This would indeed have meant a state funeral, which would have also included attendance by the diplomatic corps.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Sarushka on December 16, 2006, 08:18:28 AM
I heard a story once that his mother absolutely broke down at his burial, after losing her baby Alexander her husband, and then George. Yes, the entire Imperial Family was there, as George was the Tsesarevich. This would indeed have meant a state funeral, which would have also included attendance by the diplomatic corps.
I read that about Marie Feodorovna somewhere as well, though I can't remember the source.  ::) Perhaps Romanov Autumn? I'll try looking it up.

It seems to me that there may be film footage of Nicholas marching behind his brother's casket. I'll see if I can figure out which documentary it's in. My best guess is Nicholas and Alexandra (A&E), or Last of the Czars, or Russia's Last Tsar....
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TampaBay on December 16, 2006, 08:31:42 AM
Was there any particular reason why George Alexdrovitch did not marry?

TampaBAy
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Sarushka on December 16, 2006, 09:22:09 AM
I heard a story once that his mother absolutely broke down at his burial, after losing her baby Alexander her husband, and then George. Yes, the entire Imperial Family was there, as George was the Tsesarevich. This would indeed have meant a state funeral, which would have also included attendance by the diplomatic corps.
I read that about Marie Feodorovna somewhere as well, though I can't remember the source.  ::) Perhaps Romanov Autumn? I'll try looking it up.

It seems to me that there may be film footage of Nicholas marching behind his brother's casket. I'll see if I can figure out which documentary it's in. My best guess is Nicholas and Alexandra (A&E), or Last of the Czars, or Russia's Last Tsar....

Ok, there is some footage of GD Georgii's funeral procession at the very end of Nicholas and Alexandra. It's in the last 3 minutes or so, when they talk about DNA testing of Nicholas's remains. They also quote from Nicholas's diary for that day.

There's virtually nothing on GD Georgii in Romanov Autumn, but Ian Vorres does write briefly about Georgii's death in The Last Grand Duchess:
"Nicholas received word of his brother's death by telegram and broke the sad news to his mother.
" 'Mother, Georgie is gone,' he said quietly, and the Empress burst into tears. He was twenty-seven, and his death, as the Grand -Duchess [Olga A.] said, was in irreparable loss."

I will keep looking for the source of the story Lisa mentioned.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Linnea on December 16, 2006, 12:38:19 PM
Was there any particular reason why George Alexdrovitch did not marry?

TampaBAy

I think it was due to his illness which already appeared when he was only about twenty and then he had to move to the Caucasus where it was not likely to meet many princesses.

BTW, why was the Caucasus chosen for Georgi? Archduke Franz Ferdinand did have tuberculosis to and was moved to Egypt and eventually recovered from his illness. Maybe this would have been the better place for Georgi too especially as his condition still didn´t improve after several years in the Caucasus?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Sarushka on December 16, 2006, 05:46:28 PM
BTW, why was the Caucasus chosen for Georgi? Archduke Franz Ferdinand did have tuberculosis to and was moved to Egypt and eventually recovered from his illness. Maybe this would have been the better place for Georgi too especially as his condition still didn´t improve after several years in the Caucasus?

GD Olga Aleksandrovna mentioned in The Last Grand Duchess that the doctors were hesitant to diagnose Georgii with tuberculosis for some reason. They always knew he had a "weak chest" but seemed reluctant to admit it was TB. I think the phrase she used was that the doctors "made a mess of it." She believed he need not have died. The Caucasus was eventually chosen for the climate, though it seems not to have been the best choice in the end. I think he did do better in the Caucasus, but was never fully well.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on December 16, 2006, 06:33:01 PM
George seems to be one of those great tragic 'what ifs' with the Romanovs. He seems to have been such a good person and an intelligent, sensitive and dutiful one as well. If he had been healthy, perhaps the relentless pressure to produce a son might not have happened. There was still Michael but I don't think he was ever regarded as highly as George was in terms of being a future Tsar. Knowing that a healthy George was there to marry and, hopefully, produce sons, might have relieved a lot of the tension that surrounded the family. Instead, from the very beginning his ill-health was an issue and he died before even Anastasia was born. In addition, being so close to Nicholas, he could've provided him an outlet and sanctuary within the family--someone he could've trusted and relied upon. It seems a real waste.  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Sarushka on December 16, 2006, 11:02:25 PM
In addition, being so close to Nicholas, he could've provided him an outlet and sanctuary within the family--someone he could've trusted and relied upon.
Indeed, they were very close. I recall reading that Nicholas wrote down many of Georgii's stories and jokes, and that even as a grown man Nicky was sometimes found in his study, chuckling over something Georgii had said when they were boys.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: imperial angel on December 17, 2006, 08:12:37 PM
I've never read much info about Georgi in books, but from what I have read he might have made a good Tsar. I am not sure whether he would have had quite the personality of Nicholas, I think he would have been stronger. Michael was always seen as a bit less than serious. This image was not helped when he married morgantically and could therefore have no legitimate heirs to carry on that branch of the Romanov line. Had Georgi been alive in 1917, he might have been someone there was more support for to become czar, than Michael, who was not going to get that much support because of circumstances, but also because of how he was regarded.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on May 12, 2007, 02:07:41 AM
I found these images under "Grand Prince Georgy Alexandrovich" album in the Russian State archive online. I found them very moving.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/georgy.jpg)
Grand Duke George

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/generalviewestate.jpg)
View of his estate

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/georgypalace.jpg)
View of his palace

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on May 12, 2007, 02:08:09 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/xeniasandropalace.jpg)
palace of Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/georgytransferbodytochurch.jpg)
Transfer of body from palace to church

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/placeofdeath.jpg)
place of death
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on May 12, 2007, 12:41:06 PM
I don't believe this has been posted. If it has please let me know and I'll remove it.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/untitled-1.jpg)

George and Nikolai Mikhailovich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: aussiechick12 on May 14, 2007, 04:59:23 PM
ashanti! that last photo is wonderful, i had never seen it before. Thank you  :D
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: dmitri on July 04, 2007, 02:04:49 PM
I always found Grand Duke George Alexandrovich, brother of Nicholas II rather interesting and terribly tragic. I guess the only good thing about his early death is he avoided the revolution and the fate of his brothers. To die the way he did and be so disabled before his death is rather sad. I am glad he was able to help his murdered brother beyond the grave by supplying a DNA sample. One wonders whether he could have helped Nicholas at all or his younger brother Michael? I also wonder who he might have married from the eligible Princesses of Europe if he had been a well man. Certainly he made Nicholas II laugh with his jokes that were written down by Nicholas and laughed at after George's death. Certainly he was missed by his mother, Maria Feodorovna greatly. You can see how she reacted at his funeral. Fancy losing all her sons. What mother could have got over losing 4 sons. One was a baby, one incurable and the other two murdered. I believe she knew privately they were both dead as well as Alexandra and the children. She just never admitted it publicly. How very sad. 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on July 04, 2007, 03:19:19 PM
There was already a large thread on George so I have merged this new one into it.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 27, 2007, 01:18:26 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/george.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/93.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Amanda_Misha on October 12, 2007, 07:16:56 PM
Very pretty photos and the information on George is very interesting :)
Two questions:
Exists something that George has written?
The observatory that George wanted was constructed?
Thanks for its answer
Greetings to all
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 14, 2007, 02:12:50 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/nicholasgeorgemikexenia.jpg)
Nicholas, George, Michael & Xenia
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 14, 2007, 09:44:33 PM
Very pretty photos and the information on George is very interesting :)
Two questions:
Exists something that George has written?
The observatory that George wanted was constructed?
Thanks for its answer
Greetings to all

The observatory at Abbas Tuman was constructed and I believe is still in use. Undoubtedly some of what George wrote survived and is likely in various archives in Russia.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: BarefootContessa on November 16, 2007, 02:55:19 PM
I also wonder who he might have married from the eligible Princesses of Europe if he had been a well man.

I was wondering this too- did his parents have any princesses in mind for him before he became sick?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 16, 2007, 11:29:14 PM
I also wonder who he might have married from the eligible Princesses of Europe if he had been a well man.

I was wondering this too- did his parents have any princesses in mind for him before he became sick?

I think not. His parents were not very pro-active when it came to mates for their children.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 17, 2007, 01:11:59 AM
Quote
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Just let me know which form of Tsarevich everyone should use and I'll follow what's requested.
And what is the difference between
"Tsarevich" and  "Tsesarevich"
In short, the difference is that while Tsarevich is old title for every son of Tsar Tsesarevich is new (XVIIIc) title invented after Tsar Peter Alexeevich accepted the title of Emperor. It's hard to said in short who had right for such title (I recently wrote six pages essay on this matter). End of quote.

I still don't know why the background on this remains purple, but here are my thoughts.

I found this difference in the spelling used for different centuries very interesting.  Tsarevich is an old title used for every son of a Tsar.  Which makes sense since it means son of the Tsar.

Tsesarevich was coined in the 18th century for Tsar Peter's son Alexei after Peter took the title of emperor.

So if we use it correctly, then Alexander IIIs sons were all tsarevich but only Nicholas was Tsesarevich.  And when Nicholas came to the throne, George remained not only the son of a tsar but now Tsesarevich or heir to the throne.

This is from a long ago post by Macedonsky on March 23, 2005.  I just finished reading the entire 32 pages of this thread.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 17, 2007, 01:16:49 AM
It has been almost two years since Penny said that she would share her research on George Alexandrovich.  I see that she has stopped posting.  That is too bad.  I would have liked to find out what she found out.

As I said before, I don't think that George Alexandrovich was "shadowy" at all.  There may not be large chapters dedicated to him in the books that cover Nicholas and Alexander III, but there is enough information to get a solid picture of who George was and what he did with his time.

And I agree with the poster who said that George was supposed to be on his "death bed", but was out riding a motor tryc.  He must have not been as weak as previously thought.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on November 17, 2007, 06:22:15 AM
It has been almost two years since Penny said that she would share her research on George Alexandrovich.  I see that she has stopped posting.  That is too bad.  I would have liked to find out what she found out.

As I said before, I don't think that George Alexandrovich was "shadowy" at all.  There may not be large chapters dedicated to him in the books that cover Nicholas and Alexander III, but there is enough information to get a solid picture of who George was and what he did with his time.

And I agree with the poster who said that George was supposed to be on his "death bed", but was out riding a motor tryc.  He must have not been as weak as previously thought.

Certainly you know that Lisa's research on George is part of an upcoming book by Arturo at Eurohistory.  While I'm not entirely sure I understand all the delays I do know that in the last few months Art told me the book was now being published as a hard cover book and would be out late this year/early next.  Arturo always delivers, just sometimes not on the original schedule (read-"stuff" happens").

Part of my anxiousness for this book is Lisa's work on this Grand Duke.  Certainly, you don't expect her to publish extensively about her findings here before the book is out.  That would be rather silly now wouldn't it?

I don't agree that there is a "solid" picture of George at all.  There are snippets about him in many books, but like many of the 'lesser' Romanov's he is overshadowed by the "love story" of N&A, the war and of course the revolution.  Perhaps you'd be good enough to put together a sourced summary of what is already known as there could be more than my 300 or so book collection contains.

So be patient, or better yet, give Art a nudge to see if there is a publication update - there will be plenty of time for you to objectively review Lisa's work once the book is actually out...

dca
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 17, 2007, 07:25:26 AM
It is always supposed that George Alexandrovich was a "shadowy" figure, but if one keeps researching, just about every book on the Romanovs, has some little tid bit about him.

In Little Mother of Russia by Coryne Hall (and I know this book is out of print and hard to find and expensive when it is found) he is mentioned quite often.

It would seem that Empress Marie did not even know ( or did not believe) he had tuberculosis as late as 1891 when he was sent on the Eastern cruise.

George A took part in a number of family trips and excursions.  After he returned home in 1891, he went with Dagmar to the south of France.

By 1894, he was living permanently in the Caucasis, but seems to have had "fun".    "Nicholas occasionally visited him and they went sleighing, played skittles and had some lively dinners.  Sometimes George was able to join his family in the Crimea, but most of the time he lived alone."

In May 1895, his health seemed to be improving and Dagmar went to the Caucasus to spend time with him and they "spent many happy days exploring the surrounding courtyside before she returned to Russia in time for the birth of Xenia's first child."

"When Nicholas became Emperor, George was proclaimed 'Grand Duke Tsarevitch' and Ataman of the Cossacks."  George was the nearest in age to Nicholas and the most intellegent."

"According to one source George was "married" to a woman whose name is unkown and whom he rejected in 1883.  A child is supposed to have been born from this union.  The same souce says that George then contracted a morganatic marriage in 1894 with a lady named Orkovska (or Orkanowska), who was born in 1873.  From this marriage he had two sons and a daughter, who were given the surname of Romanovsky. (This info is footnoted as "Information from Genealogica Gotha, p396. Provided and translated from Swedish by Ted Rosvall.)

 However unlikely this sounds, it would be nice to think that George had the consolation of some female company, if not a wife, in his lonely exile." (This is Ms Hall's comment.)

"In March 1896 Dagmar, Olga and Michael joined Georgie at La Turbie in the South of France."

In 1899, "Dagmar paid her usual visit to Georgie.  His health was deteriorating and he now spent part of most winters in Algiers.  The Grand Duke was studying the history of the Caucasus and had gathered an extensive library of books on the subject.  He was also Honorary Chairman of the Astronomical Society and paid for the construction of Russia's first high altitude observatory, which was bulit on his Abbas Touman estate and named after him.  He now found walking difficult because of his shortness of breath and, to Dagmar's dismay, had begun to ride out alone on a motor-cycle, although strictly forbidden to do so by the doctors."

"Two weeks later bad news arrived.  Georgie had been out alone on his motor-cycle and some hours later, when he failed to return, his worried staff sent out a search party.  By the time they found him it was too late.  A peasant woman had discovered him collapsed at the side of the road, blood oozing from his mouth as he struggled to breathe.  She supported him in her arms until he died.  He was just twenty-eight."

Disclaimer:  I tried to copy and type as accurately as possible the excepts from Ms. Hall's book.  Any mess ups are mine.

But IMHO, just like Alexis after him, George seems to have a "dare devil complex" and wanted as "normal" a life as he could have.

Like Prince John of England after him, he was separated from his family by his illness and even though Dagmar seems have been more attentive than Queen Mary was to PJ, it had to have been hard to be separated from everything that was going on around him.

Was his life important?  I think so.  Had he been able to stay closer to Nicholas, who knows what might have been different.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 17, 2007, 07:29:23 AM
Domenic,

How good to speak to you again.

I just brought my post from January of 2006 forward.  This information is only from Little Mother of Russia by Corrine Hall.

I can do some more research in the books that I have, although I would imagine that you have many more than I do.

I was wondering about Penny Wilson's research.  Not Lisa's.  I know that Lisa's chapter will be published or may have been by now.
Almost two years ago, Penny had said that she would be doing some research on George Alexandrovich, but I know that much has happened since then and we may never get the benefit of whatever information she found.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on November 17, 2007, 07:40:25 AM
Good Morning Alixz, it seems this ole fool can't read.  Your correct, I miss-read your post as directed at Lisa.  I vaguely remember a brew-ha-ha about Penny's research from a few years ago and I don't know what ever came out of it either.  But will ask next time we cross electronic paths.

Regardless, I posted a message asking for an update on his book (The Grand Dukes) since I think there will be some new info on some of the lesser members of the family - something I so enjoy.

As a fellow Bon-Jovi enthusiast (although I'm Bon-Jovi ballad’d out and crave some good rock and roll from them!) - I've enjoyed your informative posts and most sincerely apologize for my mistake.

With best regards,
dca
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Alixz on November 17, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
Domenic:

I, too, like the information on the more "unknown" of the family.  I am on N&A overload.  I am also on AA/FS overload.

Early Bon Jovi - (my "checkered years") has always been my favorite with Crossroads being the best "best of" album.

When he did "This Left Seems Right", he was wrong.

So off topic, but now he seems to have gone country.  Although I do like "Who Says You Can't Go Home" with Sugarland.

Back on topic, I have been looking for pictures of Grand Duke George.  Some people here have posted some very good ones, but I am unable to access their sources.  I spent a good part of this morning in Russian language sites and in the Library of Congress, but I am missing some search technique because I don't get any good results.

I am looking forward to publication of The Grand Dukes.  I am a sucker for Arturo's books and publications.

Where is Grand Duke George's diary?  Was it destroyed or is it still deep in GARF?

Again, good to speak with you.  You are a breath of fresh air and common sense in the often contentious world of Romanov posting.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Amanda_Misha on November 17, 2007, 07:33:18 PM
Another photo of George, a sincere excuse if somebody already put it in this subject
George, 1890
Http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Georges2russia.jpg
(By the way, is one of my favorite photos, in my opinion George seems an angel)
After of NAOTMAA and of Michael, George is my favorite.
It is certain, on George extensive chapters or complete books have not been written but I believe that he was a boy with a great internal strength and also an enigma, ¿As it had been its impact in Russian history? we will never know it...

It is my humble opinion, sorry if my english is not very good and if I exceeded my commentary
Greetings to all
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on July 04, 2008, 06:04:35 PM
Who are the Grand Duke George Alexandrovitch'children ?
Does anyone know, if, if some of them could have been educated at the Greece Court ? as the Queen Olga of Greece was a Russian Princess .............

For me it is a rumour to hide the reality.
For me, in these Imperial Families, hiding anything is possible by telling either nothing, or telling a story as a fairy tale.
L'éducation des Grandes Familles permettait (et permet encore de nos jours) de dissimuler des évènements de très haute importance.
Sorry for my english. Probably a lot of you can read also french.

Dans le cadre de ma recherche sur les enfants du Grand Duc George Alexandrovitch, je viens de découvrir ce site très intéressant.
Looking for any informations about these 4 children, I just know this site/forum.

 ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: StevenL on July 04, 2008, 07:30:17 PM
Who are the Grand Duke George Alexandrovitch'children ?

Cher TulinnDon,

Désolé à vous dire que je ne comprends pas votre question.
Le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch (1871-1899), décédé célibataire, ne laissait pas un posterité connue.
Le Grand Duc Georges Mikhailovitch (1863-1919) laissait deux filles.

Steven
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on July 05, 2008, 02:51:18 AM
Cher Steven,

Je peux bien-sûr me tromper, et c'est la raison pour laquelle j'écris sérieusement, très sérieusement, sur ce forum, en espérant des éclaircissements.
Je cherche à travers ce forum, la plus petite information ou la photo, qui continuent d'alimenter cette rumeur.

J'ai de bonnes raisons de penser que le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch a eu une postérité : cette postérité étant issue de mariages ou d'unions morganatiques, elles sont restées volontairement cachées, très bien cachées, surtout dans l'entourage tout proche des enfants concernés.

Si le Grand Duc a eu des enfants, de façon morganatique, c'est le Tsar Nicolas II qui a décidé de leur sort et de la façon de les dissimuler officiellement.
Dans ce forum, j'ai trouvé des 'répétitions', un peu des confirmations de rumeurs, pour lesquelles nous n'avons - bien entendu - aucune preuve.

Le Grand Duc Georges a peut-être été homosexuel, je ne cherche pas des preuves ; les doutes et les rumeurs peuvent conduire à cette conclusion.
Je cherche les enfants qu'il a eus.
Mon expérience personnelle et familiale est : Une information d'une femme 'saine de corps et d'esprit' (morte aujourd'hui) était qu'un jeune enfant V. (devenu plus tard son mari) avait pour Père le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch : elle montrait le Grand Duc GA sur une photo.
Alors, c'est pourquoi, je cherche aujourd'hui les descendants des autres enfants ; peut-être, sur ce forum, certains connaissent des éléments d'informations.L'enfant V. est dit être né en 1895, mort en 1953 et enterré en France à Sainte Geneviève des Bois : il a appartenu à la Marine Impériale Russe.

Mon français est-il plus facile à comprendre que mon anglais ?
Je ferais tout mon possible pour être plus claire.
Je veux bien traduire, mais je risque de faire des contresens.

Bonne Journée.


Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Reco on July 05, 2008, 02:58:22 PM
Chère TulinnDon,

Je suis un descendant direct du Grand Prince George Alexandrovitch Romanov de Russie, né en 1871. Je puis vous certifier que mon arrière grand-père n'a eu aucune liaison secrète ni aucun mariage morganatique avant son tragique décès en 1899.

I am a direct descendant of the Big Prince George Alexandrovitch Romanov of Russia, born in 1871. I can certify you that my back grandfather had no secret link and no morganatic marriage before his tragic decease in 1899.

En fait, le mariage de mon arrière grand-père a eu lieu très simplement à St Petersbourg en présence du Tsar Alexandre III, de l'imprératrice
Maria Fedorevna, de ses frères et soeurs ainsi que de toute la famille impériale. Toutes les journaux du monde en ont parlé.

In fact, the marriage of my back grandfather took place very simply in St Petersbourg in the presence of the tsar Alexander III, the iempress  Maria Fedorevna, all his brothers and sisters as well as from all imperial family. Every newspapers of the world spoke about it.

J'espère que cet éclaircissement mettra fin aux doutes et aux rumeurs pouvant conduire à toute autre conclusion.

I hope that this elucidation will put an end to doubts and to rumours that can drive to quite other conclusion.

Respectueusement
Respectfully

Reco
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 05, 2008, 03:31:13 PM
Reco: Your claim is nothing short of ridiculous. If the grand duke had married and had children the Imperial Court would have been aware of it. It was not. Please stop this nonsense, and I hope you get on with your life.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on July 05, 2008, 04:24:31 PM
I knew it will not be easy.
Some people speak of secret, some of enigma ; the thing is it is perfectly done.
If we do not find something new, the DNA can be the last solution.
But
1. it is forbidden in France (only for policiary questions and very rare exceptions),
2. with whom is it the easier to make the comparaison ?

Thank you for any information.
What do you think ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Reco on July 05, 2008, 08:50:57 PM

Sorry,

I don't claim anything. I made a joke.

Reco
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 06, 2008, 06:30:25 PM
I think a little levity is appropriate, but I guess I don't find false claims to be a descendant of the Romanovs to be very humorous given Anna Anderson et al. However, I am mindful of the model/actress Stephanie Romanov who also claimed such a descent. I asked one of Prince Vassili Alexandrovich's granddaughters how she was related and she winked and said, "oh, Stephanie Romanov is from a veerrry distant branch of the family".
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TampaBay on July 08, 2008, 09:09:57 AM
Well......is she related or is she not related??  :) :) :)

TampaBay
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on July 09, 2008, 07:27:52 AM
My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?



PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or ???
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 09, 2008, 03:02:05 PM
My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?



PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or ???
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 ;)

The thing is,

1. There is no evidence of George's sexuality at all, so your bisexual label is speculation, and may or may not be true.
2.  His being Tsesarevich was viewed as purely temporary by nearly everyone due to Nicholas' relative youth and marriage to a woman who could have children.
and,
3. His medical condition, as I repeatedly have stated, would not have afforded him the ability to have anything approaching what most would consider a normal adult relationship with anyone of any orientation.

His family was not inclined to promote marriages of any kind, let alone his.

So, your point is?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on July 09, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?



PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or ???
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 ;)

The thing is,

1. There is no evidence of George's sexuality at all, so your bisexual label is speculation, and may or may not be true.
2.  His being Tsesarevich was viewed as purely temporary by nearly everyone due to Nicholas' relative youth and marriage to a woman who could have children.
and,
3. His medical condition, as I repeatedly have stated, would not have afforded him the ability to have anything approaching what most would consider a normal adult relationship with anyone of any orientation.

His family was not inclined to promote marriages of any kind, let alone his.

So, your point is?

1. I am quite OK with you. But the 33 pages let think the Grand Duke Georges Alexandrovitch was and/or was not. I wrote to stay in the context of this forum (no speculation from myself). About this, as I said on previous topics, I am looking for his children. They are some people who are very far and who perhaps know. I am writting on this forum not to speculate, but to try to know if somebody knows. Une bouteille à la mer : I have very special reason to look for them, for the children.

2. He was Tsetsarévitch during a short period, waiting for his eldest brother the Tsar Nicholas II has a young boy.

3. If I understand correctly what you write : you think that to have TB at that period, would not change a decision of marrying or not, even for such weddings with a royal, or high-society young woman. Is that correct ?

Since 3 years, I am in contact with a genealogical person in Moscow, who is studiing Grand Duke Georges Alexandrovitch's diary. He is looking for his special relations in the years 1894-1895. It is serious, but complicated and very long to explicate.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 01, 2008, 02:03:40 PM
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2502329445&language=1
Nice picture of a young George
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2008, 07:29:49 AM
Since the old topic has too many pages , i decided to create this one to focus just in pictures of  the beloved and never forgotten Grand Duke Georgiy. I know mostly of the pictures are no new for the majority  , but luckily, we will see new ones ;)


Here a few...

Im Mommy s lap

(http://i36.tinypic.com/al0tjs.jpg)


With mommy and brother Nicky

(http://i37.tinypic.com/5n1vn6.jpg)

In abbas tuman 1896

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2yxqf7r.jpg)

Circa 1880

(http://i36.tinypic.com/rmp6o5.jpg)



With Nicky 1878

(http://i33.tinypic.com/qxt4pl.jpg)










Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaG on November 14, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
In the picture of him at Abbas Tuman, who's the other guy?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: nena on November 14, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
In the picture of him at Abbas Tuman, who's the other guy?
It is Michael Alexandrovich, his brother, his sister Olga and mother Maria.
GD Georgiy:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_1005-001.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=1005-001.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_3999-021.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view&current=3999-021.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 14, 2008, 03:26:54 PM
Thanks for sharing these, Nena! I ve never seen the first one

Ps: It is my idea or Georgiy had a great resemblance to his grandma,  Mariia Alexandrovna? ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Vecchiolarry on November 14, 2008, 04:05:43 PM
Hi,

Yes, I would say he resembled his grandmother greatly;  and both suffered from tuberculosis and needed the warm climates.

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 26, 2008, 06:55:06 PM
A portrait of Georgiy displayed in Catherine s palace

(http://i35.tinypic.com/343rk01.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Amanda_Misha on November 29, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Hello :)

A very famous photo, George 1890
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Georges2russia.png)


Georgie (By Ashanti01)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/george.jpg)

Greetings to all  
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Midi on December 07, 2008, 09:28:49 PM
Why was George made tsarevich? I mean, Nicky was firstborn and married at the time, right? And George was unmarried (or had a wife that no one would approve of) and was ill. So why did he get the title?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jebediha on December 07, 2008, 10:14:19 PM
I got the titel becuse he was the second son to Alexander III and Maria Fedorvena and so the younger brother of Nicholas. And as long as the tsar do not have a son. The next son or the younger brother of the tsar will be tsarevich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Midi on December 07, 2008, 10:23:01 PM
But George didn't have a son either.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jebediha on December 07, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
That is why Mikhail the younger brother of Nicholas and George became tsarevich in 1899 when George died. And he was tsarevich untill 1904 when Alexie was born. If a tsar do not have children it will be his borther the younger brother of the emperor. And if a brother of the emperor dies and do not have children and the tsar still do not have a son. The tsarevich would be the next brother

Do you understand.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Midi on December 07, 2008, 11:03:54 PM
So basically the tsarevich is either unmarried or has a son?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jebediha on December 07, 2008, 11:08:58 PM
No a tsarevich is the next in line to the trone. Normaly he is the son of the tsar. But if the tsar do not have a son the tsarevich will be his younger brother and when the tsar do get a son. The brother will no longer be a tsarevich but the son of the emperor will be. I am sorry i don`t know how to exspelein it any better, Maby sombody else can exsplein it better for you
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: imperial angel on December 07, 2008, 11:51:11 PM
George was made tsarvitch because he was Nicholas's next younger brother, and Nicholas had no sons. Anyway, the younger brother of the tsar will be tsarvitch until the Tsar has a son. George died before Alexei was born, so he remained Tsarvitch until his death. Upon George's death, Nicholas still had no sons and George left no children, so Michael the Tsar's next youngest brother became heir. But in 1904, Alexei, Nicholas's son was born, so Michael lost his position as tsarvitch which he had as the Tsar's younger brother, because Nicholas, the tsar had had a son. If George had lived he would have lost his position as tsarvitch in 1904. Had George died and left a son, this son would have been tsarvitch until 1904, instead of Michael, and then would have lost that position upon Alexei's birth. The sucession went from the tsar to his son, if he had no son to his brother and his brother's son, but say that brother had no son either, then the sucession would go to the next brother. George's being unmarried and ill did not affect his sucession rights or status as tsarvitch, nor did his lack of a son affect his being named tsarvitch. As the Tsar's younger brother, he was automatically tsarvitch until Nicholas had a son, or until his ( George's) own death, or until Nicholas's death with no sons- when he would have become Tsar.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Midi on December 08, 2008, 11:33:57 AM
Sweet mother of God; you're awesome! Thanks.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 08, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
George was made tsarvitch because he was Nicholas's next younger brother, and Nicholas had no sons. Anyway, the younger brother of the tsar will be tsarvitch until the Tsar has a son. George died before Alexei was born, so he remained Tsarvitch until his death. Upon George's death, Nicholas still had no sons and George left no children, so Michael the Tsar's next youngest brother became heir. But in 1904, Alexei, Nicholas's son was born, so Michael lost his position as tsarvitch which he had as the Tsar's younger brother, because Nicholas, the tsar had had a son. If George had lived he would have lost his position as tsarvitch in 1904. Had George died and left a son, this son would have been tsarvitch until 1904, instead of Michael, and then would have lost that position upon Alexei's birth. The sucession went from the tsar to his son, if he had no son to his brother and his brother's son, but say that brother had no son either, then the sucession would go to the next brother. George's being unmarried and ill did not affect his sucession rights or status as tsarvitch, nor did his lack of a son affect his being named tsarvitch. As the Tsar's younger brother, he was automatically tsarvitch until Nicholas had a son, or until his ( George's) own death, or until Nicholas's death with no sons- when he would have become Tsar.

This is essentially correct, except for the title.

Tsarevich = son of the tsar. So, technically, "the tsarevich" could have referred to any son of any tsar. In Nicholas II's case, with only one son, it would have been clear that Alexei was the "tsarevich", and this is how Massie referred to him in "Nicholas and Alexandra".

Tsesarevich= heir of the tsar. Under the laws of Imperial Russia, this person was to be clearly identified by use of a special title, which is equivalent to "Crown Prince". As noted, after Nicholas became Emperor, this person was George (1894 -1899), then Michael (1899 - 1904, then 1917 according to Nicholas), then Alexei (1904 - 1918 but illegally removed by his father from the succession in 1917). After Nicholas, Alexei, and Michael died in the summer of 1918, it was Kiril who was de jure emperor, with his son Vladimir as heir (1917/1918 - 1938).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: susana on December 25, 2008, 08:21:59 PM
His life was so isolated in Abbas Tuman--great distance from StP and infrequent family visits, I hope he had lady friends and children which gave him some pleasure. With tuberculosis one has good and bad times; I can easily see him having a sexual relationship with a gentle woman--someone nurturing and caring. I also don't see a reason to believe in a marriage; it was so common for men to have alliances and little families and in many cases these were simply socially overlooked. They didn't exist socially. As for his ability to engage in intimate relations its helpful to remember that he was strong enough to go for a bike ride which sadly killed him.

I'd like to add that I give a lot of credence to Greg and Penny and Peter; their research is extensive and I'm so interested in these books and subjects that I even read the notes in the back of the books.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: susana on December 25, 2008, 09:00:03 PM
Sorry to be so far behind this topic but tuberculosis which was called consumption was not known to be infectious during this time period. GD George was sent to a climate considered better for his health--the medical treatment did prescribe rest but not isolation due to infection. This disease was and is quite common with limited knowledge and treatment available then.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: susana on December 25, 2008, 10:07:38 PM
Regarding information on a marriage or alliance which is ascribed to GD George by some I found this site which will be of interest to those on this thread:
 http://zarnekau.blogspot.com/2008    check Duke Constantine Petrovich page

The article is loaded with names which are a bit confusing BUT it also contains copies of obituaries which appeared in US newspapers. Mention is freely made of wife and chhildren; I do caution that many Americans think that anyone related to a prince, duke etc is also the heir to the throne and the article is written with that bias. Anyway, enjoy!

If this site is a repeat--sorry.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 30, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
His life was so isolated in Abbas Tuman--great distance from StP and infrequent family visits, I hope he had lady friends and children which gave him some pleasure. With tuberculosis one has good and bad times; I can easily see him having a sexual relationship with a gentle woman--someone nurturing and caring. I also don't see a reason to believe in a marriage; it was so common for men to have alliances and little families and in many cases these were simply socially overlooked. They didn't exist socially. As for his ability to engage in intimate relations its helpful to remember that he was strong enough to go for a bike ride which sadly killed him.

I'd like to add that I give a lot of credence to Greg and Penny and Peter; their research is extensive and I'm so interested in these books and subjects that I even read the notes in the back of the books.

I spent a great deal of time researching George for my short biography submitted to Eurohistory for their upcoming book "The Grand Dukes". in spite of a long wait for publication, I don't think I should have to reveal all my research online, which would be unfair to my publisher. However, as I have stated many times, it is very doubtful that George was able to have anything close to a normal adult sexual relationship during his time in Abbas Tuman, and I have research that supports this.

While it's true that there were clandestine families during this period, the sons of Alexander III were rather unique among royals in general but certainly within the Imperial Family for their abhorrence of non marital relations - something we see in Nicholas with his guilt over his ballerina romance and Michael's insistence in regularizing the most significant relationship of his life. In short, I don't see the sons, including George, being comfortable with this at all. Ironically for the time, his daughters were far more open to having at least one affair apiece!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: susana on January 04, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
I'm so looking forward to your biography and the book! PubMed and doctormd both both state that only TB of the lungs or throat are contagious and kissing isn't contagious--only the coughed-up sputum; in research of 50 sexually active patients most responded that the TB had affected libido, but not cut it out completely.  I so hope GD George had relationships. You know? They wouldn't have been any different from the premarital relationships that his brothers engaged in and might have given him comfort. My encounters with current day Romanovs have informed me there was quite a bit going on that never made it into print so I hope there'll be revelations. Best wishes for a speedy publication!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: GoldenPen on March 06, 2009, 08:16:01 AM
When Grand Duke George lay ed dying, a peasant women stayed and supported him in her arms. I was wandering what ever became of her? Did the family ever mention her?

Truly, GoldenPen
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: kmerov on March 06, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
Yes, she came to stay with them for a while. A quote by GDss Olga Alexandrovna, "I can still see her before me, the tall, black-clad woman from the Caucasus with the billowing black and white veil (she was from a religious sect), wandering around among the fountains of Peterhof; she looked like a figure from a Greek tragedy. My mothe closeted herself with her for hours at time." 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: GoldenPen on March 06, 2009, 05:40:03 PM
Oh thank you kmerov! That is exactly what I was hoping to find! Much appreciated!

Truly, GoldenPen
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 07, 2009, 04:35:48 AM
Is there a photo of this woman?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 09, 2009, 04:46:49 AM
Young Georgiy

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/prod_7778.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 09, 2009, 01:43:36 PM
Geoegiy with brother Nicky and cousing Nicky of Greece. Courtesy of Fabian from foros "Realeza"

(http://i42.tinypic.com/k1qm3n.jpg)



Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 06, 2009, 03:59:10 PM
Georgyi
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5531/georgyi.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 07, 2009, 03:04:43 AM
Another one :)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5175/polarnagwiazda.jpg)
[Georgyi in the centre among officers on the Polar Star]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2009, 06:53:42 AM
Awesome!! thanks so much!

(Ps: if you have more of him...please!! post them. Thanks in advanced!)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: V_Corona on April 07, 2009, 06:45:43 PM
Another one :)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5175/polarnagwiazda.jpg)
[Georgyi in the centre among officers on the Polar Star]

Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich is seated in front of Grand Duke Georgiy Alexandrovich
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 15, 2009, 02:06:05 PM
Georgyi with Sandro
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7139/dsc09391q.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Condecontessa on April 16, 2009, 07:05:15 PM
Thanks Aglaya, never seen it before :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 17, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
(since my post about that last picture dissapeared...)

Thanks so much for that awesome pic. Totally new for me!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
That's because the mods are trying to clean up 'thank you' and 'nice picture' posts. It's not personal but it's becoming the policy to clear them up after a day or so. We certainly want posters to have acknowledgment for pictures/info they post (I know I enjoy getting it!) but it would be preferred it be accompanied with further posting or sent via PM.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 18, 2009, 11:39:37 AM
Ohh i thought so. I like the idea since im also tired to read those kind of post ;-)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 19, 2009, 10:04:15 AM

(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/82/dsc09289copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 19, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
Beautiful!! have you got the full version? i have one but its colorized and i want a B&W version to colorize it myself =(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 20, 2009, 04:25:46 AM
I have full version from the book, but not good enough quality, I think...

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6818/georg3.jpg)





Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: imperial angel on April 25, 2009, 05:12:25 PM
To me he looks a bit like GD Vladimir and the Vladimirvitchi in this picture.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on April 26, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
In my opinion there are many resemblances between Georgiy and his grandfather Alexander II [when he was young].
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
I think he resembles more his paternal grandmother, Maria Alexandrovna ;-)

BTW, Thanks so much Aglaya for that hi- HI- res version of that picture. Im defo colorizing that one soon!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 26, 2009, 01:23:37 PM
In my opinion he resembles to his father Alexander III too...or maybe it's just my impression.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on May 18, 2009, 04:18:15 AM
Georgiy and Nicky
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7963/bengre00333095.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 23, 2009, 06:27:06 AM
Childhood portrait by Makarov

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/0901156380044e6f.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on July 24, 2009, 07:25:35 AM

Since 3 years, I am in contact with a genealogical person in Moscow, who is studiing Grand Duke Georges Alexandrovitch's diary. He is looking for his special relations in the years 1894-1895. It is serious, but complicated and very long to explicate.

Depuis 3 ans, je suis en contact avec une personne généalogique à Moscou, qui est Grand Duke Georges studiing le journal d'Alexandrovitch. Il cherche ses relations spéciales dans les années 1894-1895. C'est sérieux, mais compliqué et très long pour expliquer




Hi I am new to this posting lark but hope I'm doing it correctly - I am very interested to learn more about the above comment. Is this diary a matter of public record? if so, where is it located? Would you be able to give details of the 'geneological person' who is doing this research? TulinnDon - I would be very interested to hear your complicated story if you have time to explain.

Salut je suis inconnue à cette alouette voyageante par la poste, mais espère que je le fais correctement - je m'intéresse très pour apprendre plus du susdit commentaire. Est-ce que ce journal est une question de record public ? si oui, où est-il trouvé ? Seriez-vous en mesure de donner des détails du 'geneological la personne' qui fait cette recherche ? TulinnDon - je m'intéresserais très pour entendre votre histoire compliquée si vous avez le temps pour expliquer.

Don't know why my background is all purple - I will have to work on my technique!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on September 04, 2009, 04:45:37 AM

I am wondering why Tulinndon's post, which was previous to my earlier one and is what I responded to has disappeared from this thread - anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2009, 09:09:48 PM
It's still there--post 43. All of his posts seem to be here but he doesn't seem to have posted since that time period.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on September 07, 2009, 06:55:15 AM
Thank you grandduchessella, sorry for being a numpty - I am getting the hang of it slowly.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on September 18, 2009, 12:23:19 PM
Famous photo in good quality but unfortunely small...
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4740/cd9491ba111277472132719.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 18, 2009, 08:48:31 PM
Yes he looks awesome. Pity is that small.

Ps: i winder if there are more pictures of Georgiy when he was healthy. I d love to see them!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Eurohistory on January 01, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
In the next edition of The European Royal History Journal, Issue LXXII, Coryne Hall contributes a rather nice article on Grand Duke George Alexandrovich, which she titled The Unknown Tsarevich.

Other articles include:

1. The Engagement of Prince Nicholas of Greece and Tatiana Blatnik, by T. Erbury.

2. Montenegro's Unmarried Princesses, by K. Pollock.

3. The Palaces of Castille, by K. Warne.

4. A Few Royal Christenings, by K. Brady.

5. . An Interview with HRH the Duke de Vendôme, by A. Beéche

7. Royal Commemorative Series, Chapter 12, by J. Spiteri.

8. Royal News


Enjoy, Arturo Beéche


Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: mishaxenia on January 17, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
Georgiy with  mother Maria Feodorovna 
(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/43359/2893959740105221653S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2893959740105221653BsIMpF)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 17, 2010, 10:41:45 AM
yeah!! love it! in fact this  this is the first picture i  see of Georgiy as a little little baby. How cute he was!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on January 28, 2010, 05:54:28 AM
Who is the lady Grand Duchess Ekaterina Fyodorovna shown in the graphic above and was she rumoured to be linked to Grand Duke George or is it just an illustration?

Also an earlier post on this thread mentions Grand Duke George's diaries, does anyone know where they are held?

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 28, 2010, 09:28:34 AM
hahah no., its just fanfiction  ;-). A beautiful tale if Georgiy had survived .
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 28, 2010, 11:47:36 AM
Im flipping about this one!!

Baby Georgiy

(http://i46.tinypic.com/ohit50.jpg)
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Post by: Condecontessa on May 28, 2010, 01:59:42 PM
Thanks Katenka!!!!! It's a definite rare and it's awesome to know that it was made into a postcard as well. He's wearing the same outfit of a pic of him and his older brother Nicholas. It's in the book "Camera and Tsars."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 28, 2010, 02:11:08 PM
actually it isnt a postcard but a CDV ;-). I  just love this one! Defo one of the best finds i ve had!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 01, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Wonderful!!!! Katenka - would it be possible to have it without the mark to my inbox please? I would have sent you a PM, but it seems the ones I posted earlier did not reach you.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on July 14, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
Georgiy Aleksandrovich
(I know that you all know  it's from a large picture of Aleksander III's family and others, but it wasn't posted here anyway, at least I haven't seen it here)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img689/5839/gogi1we.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Condecontessa on July 14, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
Thanks Olgasha.
I love seeing pics of the Romanov children in Denmark with their family. It portrays a sense of unity and celebration.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 14, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
Poor Georgiy, he already look wasted  =(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: susana on July 17, 2010, 05:30:27 PM
This is a response to earlier posts on this thread (?) There are historical incidences of princesses willing to marry men who were already ill with something. Three immediately come to mind: May of Teck was engaged to 'Eddie'--just a few things not in his favor: poor health, bisexual scandals, and very low intellect. When he died of pneumonia (?) she fairly quickly became engaged to the new British heir--the younger brother. Dagmar repeated the same thing with GD Nicholas Alexandrovitch--poor health but a greater candidate for a ruler than Eddie. Prince Leopold of Britain had no trouble finding a bride although his crippling hemophilia was well known.

Since tuberculosis/consumption ran through all the royal families I imagine spousal selection was a gamble but swayed by power and position and hopefully mutual attraction. Checking the web I found no site which supported the absence of sexual activity with a case of TB as a symptom. I'm sure this is highly individualized depending on sex drive but not generally applied.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: kmerov on July 17, 2010, 05:59:59 PM
Well, there were Princesses who were willing to marry men with less then perfect health, but I still think that it was an issue of concern, and a ilness was something that was a disadvantage both for women and men.
Prince Leopold did have trouble finding a princess to marry, and his ilness was a big factor in this. I don't think you can put Eddie in the same poor health category as Leopold or George Alexandrovich.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 18, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
And Nixa, Grand Duke Nicholas Alexandrovich, became engaged while still healthy - he became ill after proposing to Dagmar.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Belochka on July 18, 2010, 02:52:05 AM
And Nixa, Grand Duke Nicholas Alexandrovich, became engaged while still healthy - he became ill after proposing to Dagmar.

In actual fact Niksa was never healthy after he the first time he fell off his horse in 1859.

He experienced periods of depression and lethargy due to his periodic physical incapacity that was caused by an underlying lumbar condition, well before he travelled to Copenhagen to propose to Dagmar.

Margarita
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on July 18, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
GD Georgiy
(http://beroma.users.photofile.ru/photo/beroma/96077050/113861604.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on September 16, 2010, 03:04:39 AM
Georgiy Aleksandrovich (in the centre) with his parents and siblings at Spala or Białowieża (I'm not sure, but I think it was the last time, when he and his father Tsar Aleksander III were in Poland in 1894.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4651/blovezhinpolandltorniko.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 16, 2010, 07:14:37 AM
Poor thing he looks awfully sick in that one


Here s the full version

(http://i46.tinypic.com/jqq548.jpg)

X large

http://i46.tinypic.com/jqq548.jpg
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 21, 2010, 04:00:01 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/marianikgeorge001-1.jpg)
GD George sitting next to his mother and Nicholas standing
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 04:04:48 PM
Thanks for that picture without mark!!!
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Post by: nena on September 21, 2010, 04:05:44 PM
GD Georgiy
For some reason I like that photo!
GD George sitting next to his mother and Nicholas standing
Such a rarity -- thank you!
Georgiy Aleksandrovich (in the centre) with his parents and siblings at Spala or Białowieża (I'm not sure, but I think it was the last time, when he and his father Tsar Aleksander III were in Poland in 1894.

Białowieża, I've read.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 21, 2010, 04:12:21 PM
Thanks for that picture without mark!!!

Well I wasn't sure if it had been posted on one of the Nicholas or Empress Maria threads so I just posted without the mark. Also, the quality wasn't the best. Scanner problems.  : [
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 04:20:18 PM
The one posted in Maria Fyodorovna s topic had a huge watermark of Getty images and it was pretty small.

Aww i heard! I hate when that happens! I hope it get well soon!=D
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 22, 2010, 04:07:13 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/mariaalexgeorgxenianic.jpg)
Empress Maria, Alexander III, Xenia?Olga?, George and Nicholas
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
its Ksenia

Here a fuller and clearer version

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8031/s640x4803.jpg
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 22, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
Thanks.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/nicxeniageorge.jpg)
Nicholas, Xenia and George
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 26, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
My Georgiy *0*

(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7430/wa35577.jpg) (http://img185.imageshack.us/i/wa35577.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on September 28, 2010, 05:11:37 AM
What a lovely picture - where did you find this one? I haven't seen it before.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 06:50:29 AM
In a russian documentary about Maria Feodorovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 02, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
Georgiy , Nicholas , Greek George and lots of navy officers. Courtesy of Nemos

(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5538/r726845183cqsnemos194.jpg) (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/r726845183cqsnemos194.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 06, 2010, 09:14:39 AM
Drawn made by Georgiy. 1883

(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2676/bygogi1883.jpg) (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/bygogi1883.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on October 07, 2010, 06:51:40 AM
I love this, it is fascinating. I knew that Marie and Olga were renound for their painting but have never seen anything by George before. Where did you find it? and does anyone know what it says across the bottom?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on October 07, 2010, 07:00:51 AM
does anyone know what it says across the bottom?

It says: 'Fredensborg, 30 August 1883. From George'.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 07, 2010, 07:16:14 AM
I think all Minny s kids had some talent to paint. The only one i havent seen a portrait is Ksenia. Alexander III himself and also Maria Fyodorovna were average painters!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2010, 10:55:57 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/Capture-4.jpg)
GD George
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 07, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Nice! Thank you, i had just the version of the russian archives in sepia
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Post by: Olgasha on October 14, 2010, 03:07:11 AM
GD Georgiy with mother
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6076/gieorgijaleksnaslednik2.png)
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Post by: Ella von Hessen on November 05, 2010, 08:23:13 AM
(http://s12.radikal.ru/i185/1011/73/d17d7d6977ff.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 05, 2010, 08:35:22 AM
THANKSSSSS!!!!!

I love it!!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2010, 09:10:05 AM
Georgiy with brother Nicholas and cousing Giorgos of Greece in Egypt

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7518/61234437760868773689603.jpg) (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/61234437760868773689603.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Olgasha on November 21, 2010, 05:49:47 AM
Georgiy as a boy, with Nicholas
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/795/03878r.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on November 26, 2010, 08:30:18 AM
With Nicholas
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1193/mikolajgeorgiy.png)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 26, 2010, 08:51:00 AM
Amazing!! thanks so much!
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Post by: Olgasha on November 27, 2010, 03:59:14 AM
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9706/45375793.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on November 27, 2010, 04:20:10 PM
GD Georgiy  with others in Abbas Tuman
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3899/b91897.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on December 02, 2010, 03:33:43 AM
Letters and photographs of Georgiy
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5762/georgelisty.png)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8572/gogiiinni.png)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 05, 2010, 03:27:59 PM



Olgasha, thanks so much for the pictures of my darling Georgiy *0*!
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Post by: Olgasha on December 13, 2010, 08:53:11 AM
You're welcome, Katenka!:-)


Georgiy with Nicholas in Egypt
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5568/egipit2.png)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 13, 2010, 12:00:03 PM
There s also Queen  Victoria and King Gustav of Sweden (next to nicholas)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on December 13, 2010, 03:02:50 PM
Gustav was a huge archaeology fan and Victoria would have been Nicholas's 2nd cousin once removed (good enough for a prime seat at his coronation  :). I wonder if it was either of those 2 factors that drew them together on the trip or if it was just happenstance that each party was in the area?

Empress Alexandra--Alexander II--Alexander III--Nicholas
Kaiser Wilhem I--Louise Baden--Victoria.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Janet Ashton on December 13, 2010, 04:55:40 PM
Gustav was a huge archaeology fan and Victoria would have been Nicholas's 2nd cousin once removed (good enough for a prime seat at his coronation  :). I wonder if it was either of those 2 factors that drew them together on the trip or if it was just happenstance that each party was in the area?

Empress Alexandra--Alexander II--Alexander III--Nicholas
Kaiser Wilhem I--Louise Baden--Victoria.

It was happenstance. Gustav and Victoria spent the whole of that winter in the Mena House Hotel on the outskirts of Cairo, for her health. Nicholas stayed in the Giza palace nearby, but met up with them quite a few times while he was there. Their Hotel was run by a British couple who also founded the Brookwood racing track (how's that for a piece of unrelated trivia!) and who ran it almost like a country house, only billing people if they felt like it. The hotel is still there,though: I stayed there as a child so this is why I was fascinated to find out more about it when I was researching Nicholas's tour. His own Giza palace has gone, but the gardens I think, are now part of Cairo Zoo.

I have to say: Nicholas was not greatly interested in archaeology! :-) I don't think George was either; they spent more time with their hookas and obsessing over the belly dancers.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 13, 2010, 05:01:37 PM
Wasnt Georgiy sent there because his disease or was before he got ill?
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Post by: Olgasha on December 14, 2010, 06:00:08 AM
If I remember correctly, it was BEFORE he got ill.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Janet Ashton on December 14, 2010, 07:28:13 AM
Wasnt Georgiy sent there because his disease or was before he got ill?

It was JUST before; but George had been prone to colds etc since infancy and his mother later complained that he should have been forced to wear flannel next to his skin and had not been (so she blamed his doctors for his being ill). He went on the trip just for the fun and eductaion, as Nicholas did, and showed his first symptoms at sea, with night sweats and horrible leg pains once they embarked on the leg of the journey from Egypt to India through the Red Sea. Before that he also said something in his diaries about a leg pain which he thought was from a roller-skating incident in Athens, but that may have been related to his later problems too. I think that pains in back and legs are not uncharacteristic of TB. But it was only when they got to India that he was declared unfit to continue. After that he went to Greece, Algeria and finally to the Caucasus as they tried to find cures.
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Post by: Veronica on January 13, 2011, 06:28:16 PM
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5517/georgealexandrovichnjdi.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: BarefootContessa on January 14, 2011, 06:47:46 AM

Before that he also said something in his diaries about a leg pain which he thought was from a roller-skating incident in Athens, but that may have been related to his later problems too. I think that pains in back and legs are not uncharacteristic of TB. But it was only when they got to India that he was declared unfit to continue. After that he went to Greece, Algeria and finally to the Caucasus as they tried to find cures.

That's so exciting that you've read his diaries!  Have they been/ are they being translated?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Janet Ashton on January 14, 2011, 01:09:31 PM

Before that he also said something in his diaries about a leg pain which he thought was from a roller-skating incident in Athens, but that may have been related to his later problems too. I think that pains in back and legs are not uncharacteristic of TB. But it was only when they got to India that he was declared unfit to continue. After that he went to Greece, Algeria and finally to the Caucasus as they tried to find cures.

That's so exciting that you've read his diaries!  Have they been/ are they being translated?

Only - at the moment - for my research on Nicholas's grand tour of Asia - George is just a secondary character, though. I do know of another researcher who has a specific interest in George, though, so you may see more of them someday. :-)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Olgasha on January 15, 2011, 02:53:25 AM
It would be wonderful to have a bigger size of this one


Georgiy and Nicholas
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/916/nikgog1j.jpg)
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Post by: ashanti01 on January 18, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/George.jpg)
Grand Duke George
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on April 05, 2011, 05:04:02 AM
Not new, but better size:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Georgiy%20Aleksandrovitch/th_George.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Georgiy%20Aleksandrovitch/?action=view&current=George.jpg)
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Post by: RealAnastasia on April 06, 2011, 12:03:29 AM
And this version is much more clear too. You can easily notice his beatiful blue eyes...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Veronica on June 15, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Not new, but in cabinet version

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6564/copiadegerogealexandrov.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jessika on June 17, 2011, 03:02:08 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E3QSEdBs9rw/TfuyYeROEPI/AAAAAAAAA9Y/1bUTuQxdSnE/s1600/216804_1793229044549_1654364532_1711705_7224908_n%2B%25281%2529.jpg)

I don't know if this picture has been posted before. But I just lobe his face here.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jessika on June 17, 2011, 03:03:37 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HpgXSkdQcTA/Tfuy6LCwc9I/AAAAAAAAA9g/GceD_pMHli8/s1600/207024_1793226044474_1654364532_1711691_2593760_n.jpg)

Also,I mean't "Love" not "lobe"...My bad..
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2011, 08:15:54 AM
he looks terrible in that image. Its very notorious he was very sick
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: burger queen on June 18, 2011, 04:21:28 PM
(http://samlib.ru/img/t/tegjulx_m/pers17-1/14.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Jessika on June 18, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
he looks terrible in that image. Its very notorious he was very sick

I know..poor thing! He looks very weak and ready to faint. :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on November 11, 2011, 03:15:59 PM
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9706/45375793.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9706/45375793.jpg)

Can anyone please tell me what colours was the te, epolettes and the hat? I assume the uniform itself was white....
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on November 13, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9706/45375793.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9706/45375793.jpg)

Can anyone please tell me what colours was the te, epolettes and the hat? I assume the uniform itself was white....

Yes, the uniform is white, that's the Preobrazhenskiy Regiment uniform. The epolettes are white with red and gold.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on December 05, 2011, 01:59:04 PM
GD Georgiy with his brother Mikhail and cousin George of Greece

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/mikgg.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Rodney_G. on December 31, 2011, 12:46:27 PM
Did GD Georgiy ever meet his nieces Olga or Tatiana?  Or did he ever travel away from the Caucasus after they were born? I'm thinking not, but not sure.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 03, 2012, 12:13:10 AM
I surmise he did not based on his correspondence with Nicholas.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 03, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I surmise he did not based on his correspondence with Nicholas.
I think you're right, though I believe I've seen a congratulatory telegram from Giorgiy to Nicholas and Alexandra about the birth of one of the girls. Not sure which now.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: TulinnDon on March 12, 2012, 03:39:16 PM
Amanda Micha, For one of your two questions :

Exists something that George has written ?

Grand Duke Georgy Alexandrovich has written his diary.
I cannot tell you more.


Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: cebi26 on November 21, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Did George ever get to meet Alix?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: edubs31 on November 21, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
Good question cebi. He wasn't allowed to return from his estate at Likani in Georgia for either his father's funeral or his brother's wedding on account of his health. I also know that he never met any of Nicholas's children...the last of whom was Marie Nikolaevna who was born less than two months before his death in August of 1899.

I find it hard to believe that he could have seen Alexandra without having seen any of the children, so I would assume there is almost no way the two met in person between Olga's birth (November, 1895) and Georgy's death. That also means there was only about a year window between the marriage of the Imperial couple and the birth of their first child. If he wasn't able to make it home for his father's funeral or their wedding I find it difficult to believe he could have made it home for anything else. Nicholas & Alexandra would have had to visit him but I don't recall reading anything on such a trip in their diaries/letters.

I'm leaning towards 'no'.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 22, 2012, 12:16:15 AM
She met George prior to her marriage. During one visit to St Petersburg in 1888 to visit her sister:

"Afternoons were spent at the fashionable skating-grounds in the Jardin de la Tauride, where Prince Ernest Louis and Princess Alix with the Tsarevich, his brother, the Grand Duke George and the Grand Duchess Xenia skated or tobogganed down the ice-hills, with the younger members of St. Petersburg society. " --From The Last Russian Empress by Sophie Buxhoeveden
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Svetabel on November 22, 2012, 01:20:49 AM
Did George ever get to meet Alix?

In Livadia, October 1894, when Alexander III was dying. Georgy was there,but he wasn't allowed to go to his fathers' funeral and returned to the Caucasus.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: edubs31 on November 22, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up ladies. Guess I didn't even consider their meeting beforehand but it's pretty obvious they did.

So I guess if one rephrased the question "Did George ever get to meet Alexandra" the answer then would be 'no' :-)

Sad that he never got to meet his nieces. I remember reading a letter back home to Nicholas expressing great regret after Marie was born at having not seen any of the girls yet.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Empire on November 22, 2012, 10:29:09 AM
Nicholas and George both met Alix for the first time in 1884 when she came to St Petersburg for her sister Ella's wedding. Four days after meeting twelve year old Alix, Nicky records in his diary that they love each other. Along with Xenia and Nicholas and Alix's brother Ernst, George and Alix spent a great deal of time together during this visit.
They met again on the occasions mentioned in the previous posts, but as far as I am aware, they did not see each other again after Nicholas and Alexandra were married. George certainly did not meet any of their daughters.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Kalafrana on November 22, 2012, 10:56:30 AM
Bear in mind that at that time TB was considered highly infectious and that is one reason why most 'ordinary' sufferers were sent to sanatoria for treatment.

In fact, it's rather more complicated than that. The bacillus spreads quite easily, but a person in good physical health with a strong immune system will develop antibodies without developing 'active TB'. There was quite a lot of TB in earlier generations of my family, and I have the antibodies, but never a sign of actual TB.

My father's much older half-brother (over 20 years between them), got TB in the 1930s and died from it aged 26. One of the concerns was apparently that he was likely to infect my father ands his sister (aged 6 and 4). So not surprising that the rest of the family stayed away from poor Georgi.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: cebi26 on November 22, 2012, 02:01:24 PM
Bear in mind that at that time TB was considered highly infectious and that is one reason why most 'ordinary' sufferers were sent to sanatoria for treatment.

In fact, it's rather more complicated than that. The bacillus spreads quite easily, but a person in good physical health with a strong immune system will develop antibodies without developing 'active TB'. There was quite a lot of TB in earlier generations of my family, and I have the antibodies, but never a sign of actual TB.

My father's much older half-brother (over 20 years between them), got TB in the 1930s and died from it aged 26. One of the concerns was apparently that he was likely to infect my father ands his sister (aged 6 and 4). So not surprising that the rest of the family stayed away from poor Georgi.

Ann

Indeed. He must have felt alone staying so much time away from his family
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 11, 2013, 05:09:39 AM
(http://samoderzhavnaya.ru/media/photo/thormeyer/normal/37.png)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 11, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
From the same photoshoot

(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5734/littlegeorgiy.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/littlegeorgiy.jpg/)

 
Title: Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's secret son
Post by: bongo on August 08, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
What to make of this 1903 newspaper article? (I tried to link it but it fails. Google: "Russian Pretender. SON OF A SECRET MARRIAGE CLAIMS. SUCCESSION") Text is as follows:

Quote

SON OF A SECRET MARRIAGE CLAIMS
SUCCESSION.
A great commotion has been caused at
the Russian Court by the appearance of a
new claimant to the Russian throne, says
the Berlin correspondent of the London
"Express." The new pretender is not a
rival of the present Czar, but will demand
to be recognised as his rightful successor
on the throne.
In the year 1893 the present Czar's
second brother, the Grand Duke George,  
then 22 years of age, secretly married    
Princess Nakachidze, daughter of a Cau-  
casian nobleman. The marriage cere
mony was duly performed in the presence '
of witnesses according to the rites of the
Orthodox Greek Church, and in accord
ance with all the legal requirements
necessary in Russia.
It is now claimed that the Grand Duke
George's eldest son, Prince Cyril, is thc
rightful heir to tho Russian throne, hav
ing a claim prior to that of the Czar's
younger brother, the Grand Duke Michael.
Prince Cyril is now nine years of age.
His partisans maintain that an objection
to his claim on the ground that the Grand
Duke George's marriage was morganatic
will not hold good.
Duke Constantine of Oldenburg, who
was the most intimate friend of the Grand
Duke George, has constituted himself the
champion of Prince Cyril, and is conduct
ing a regular agitation on his behalf. The
Czar is so incensed at this agitation that
he has issued an Imperial deoree declaring
Duke Constantine of Oldenburg to bo
insane, and appointing his elder brother,
Duke Alexander, to be his legal guardian.
Duke Alexander strongly disapproves of
his brother's attitude in this matter, for
his only son, Duke Peter, is married to
the Czar's sister, the Grand Duohess Olga.
Tho legal objection to the olaim made
on behalf of the Grand Duke George's
son will be that the Grand Duke George's
marriage was invalid for purposes of suc
cession, because it was contracted without
the consent of the Czar.

A search of the surname Nakachidze here don't bring up anything here, but on an old thread here for George someone seemed most upset with the idea that he was capable of treating himself to a f--k, even though he was capable of riding the motorbike on which he died, came from a highly sexed family, and a regular de-spunking is a fundamental driving need of 99.9% of young men, be they tubercular or well, whatever the period.

So has this story been put to bed as mere gossip, and if so, what was the Duke of Oldenburg really exiled for, as other sources suggest? And if true, where is Prince Cyril?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: bongo on August 08, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3899/b91897.jpg)

I like this telling image. It shows that in Georgia he did socialise to some extent, and so enjoy opportunities to meet a possible lover. Not completely the reclusive sheltered flower that is his image.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Dru on August 11, 2013, 08:57:15 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5526/9476780704_c3cae962de_o.jpg)

German illustration of Georgiy, when he was tsarevich.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Kalafrana on August 15, 2013, 05:18:27 AM
As for Georgi's abilities to conduct a love life while in the Caucasus, TB can be a fluctuating disease. He was in the Caucasus for something like seven years, and as he lived that long, his condition would have improved at times and deteriorated at others. My maternal grandfather was gassed in the First World War and also had TB (not sure in which order). For the rest of his life he had periodic flare-ups of TB, but lived a fairly active life, held down a demanding job, married and had four children. Admittedly, he wasn't as bad a case as Georgi, but he did eventually die from TB, in the cause of a final flare-up brought on by an attack of pneumonia.

Ann 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 29, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9362/65455487.d0/0_1dcbb6_6994c8f8_orig)
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9362/65455487.d0/0_1dcbb6_6994c8f8_orig
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Maria Sisi on January 01, 2015, 07:59:28 PM
George is the one making the funny face. Nicholas is right above him and Michael is second from the bottom.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b84ff21eae5003d639ca3209e6da1e2c/tumblr_ng0ippJtDv1rqdmblo1_500.png)
teatimeatthewinterpalace

Looking at pictures like these and then ones from later in his life its depressing to see the life drained out of him. It's easy to see why he was a favorite of everyone in the family

Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Maria Sisi on January 01, 2015, 11:53:07 PM
Mother and Son
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/966f9fb4c7e0436f7bb43093d7bf8f00/tumblr_n2e2laZ1yR1t5k7qjo1_1280.jpg)


From the same sitting with brothers and sisters included
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the-last-tsar.tumblr
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 05, 2015, 01:44:41 PM
With mother and sibglings

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5309/97833783.9bc/0_105134_e2f52340_orig)

Source http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/4940966/post327414544
Title: Re: Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 28, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
Georgiy Alexandrovich with his mother and company

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f8fa062ee70233da0367872e45d2242/tumblr_ph47sftaSH1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)