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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in St. Petersburg => Topic started by: gleb on June 16, 2005, 04:14:17 AM

Title: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: gleb on June 16, 2005, 04:14:17 AM
Talking about the Mikhailovichi, where did GD Mikhail used to live?
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: xirbis on June 16, 2005, 09:54:19 AM
Gleb, which GD Michael are you talking about?
if you mean GD Michael Michailovich, the eldest of the Michailovichis (i believe), then as far as i remember, a gorgeous palace was built for him on the Admiralteiiskaia Embankment by an architect Messmaher - i think it was in mid-1880s or around that time. GD Michael Michailovich, however, did not have a chance of enjoing long comfortable stay there. He married Sophia Merenberg, a granddaughter of A.S. Pushkin, the great Russian poet. (I believe she was his granddaughter). She was a countess but that was not concidered equal to the title of a member of a royal house...a sad story, indeed - the marriage was not recognised (by Alexander III?) and the couple had to leave Russia forever. They settled in England where they were given the titles of Count and Countess de Torby. Or, may be, it was Earl and Countess de Torby, if it was an English title. Well, actually, i am not sure if they were given the title(by Queen Victoria?) or they obtained one. I believe, their descendants still live in the UK.
But now back to the palace. The building is charming. I do not remember the exact address on the Admiralteiskaija Naberezhnaija (Embankment), but if you have a look (it is quite a short embankment), you will spot this palace-like structure. After GD Michael Michailovich left Russia, his Palace was used to accomodate the Embassy of the Kingdom of Siam (Thailand). Siam never lost her independence, never was a colony or a protectorat (unlike other territories in South-East Asia) and, therefore, mantained her own diplomatic structures abroad. The relationships between Russia and Siam were quite cordial. The Siamese Embassy (former GD Michael's Palace) was undoubtedly one of the most luxurious Embassy buildings in St.Petersburg. I do not know though, if the palace was given to the Siamese as a gift, or they bought it, or they rented it, or just were allowed to use it.
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2005, 12:48:37 PM
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Gleb, which GD Michael are you talking about?
if you mean GD Michael Michailovich, the eldest of the Michailovichis (i believe), then as far as i remember, a gorgeous palace was built for him on the Admiralteiiskaia Embankment by an architect Messmaher - i think it was in mid-1880s or around that time. GD Michael Michailovich, however, did not have a chance of enjoing long comfortable stay there. He married Sophia Merenberg, a granddaughter of A.S. Pushkin, the great Russian poet. (I believe she was his granddaughter). She was a countess but that was not concidered equal to the title of a member of a royal house...a sad story, indeed - the marriage was not recognised (by Alexander III?) and the couple had to leave Russia forever. They settled in England where they were given the titles of Count and Countess de Torby. Or, may be, it was Earl and Countess de Torby, if it was an English title. Well, actually, i am not sure if they were given the title(by Queen Victoria?) or they obtained one. I believe, their descendants still live in the UK.
But now back to the palace. The building is charming. I do not remember the exact address on the Admiralteiskaija Naberezhnaija (Embankment), but if you have a look (it is quite a short embankment), you will spot this palace-like structure. After GD Michael Michailovich left Russia, his Palace was used to accomodate the Embassy of the Kingdom of Siam (Thailand). Siam never lost her independence, never was a colony or a protectorat (unlike other territories in South-East Asia) and, therefore, mantained her own diplomatic structures abroad. The relationships between Russia and Siam were quite cordial. The Siamese Embassy (former GD Michael's Palace) was undoubtedly one of the most luxurious Embassy buildings in St.Petersburg. I do not know though, if the palace was given to the Siamese as a gift, or they bought it, or they rented it, or just were allowed to use it.


The palace was built in 1891 ( the exact address is Admiralteiiskaia Embankment 8  ) and sold in 1910.

Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: gleb on June 16, 2005, 12:54:23 PM
But didn't he got married in 1891?

So he was not exiled that year, but after some time, is it so?

Bye
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2005, 01:11:26 PM
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But didn't he got married in 1891?

So he was not exiled that year, but after some time, is it so?

Bye


The palace was finished in 1891 and GD Mikhail married  the same year. And then the Emperor kicked Mikhail out of Russia  :(
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: sjwc2 on June 17, 2005, 08:53:41 AM
Interestingly enough, the Torby's lived in England in Hampstead Heath. They rented Kenwood, one of Robert Adams great houses (and now open to the public). One of their daughters, Nadja, married the Marquess of Milford Haven, who was the brother of
Earl Mountbatten and nephew of the Tsaritsa Alexandra (as his mother was Victoria of Hesse-Darmstardt).

The title was a title was a Russian title granted by the Tsar on the morganatic marriage. The palace is still there, and is quite out of proportion with the other buildings along the embankment
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Post by: Mike on June 17, 2005, 02:30:37 PM
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The title was a Russian title granted by the Tsar on the morganatic marriage.

The title came from the Duchy of Luxembourg. Pushkin's granddaughter Sophia Merenberg was daughter of Prince Nicholas of Nassau. In 1890, a year before Sophia's marriage to GD Mikhail, Sophia's uncle Adolph of Nassau became Duke of Luxembourg, and it was he who, in spite of Alexander III's demand not to recognize the marriage, made her the Countess Torby.
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 22, 2005, 06:09:18 AM
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residence of Mikhail Mikhailovich (Miche-Miche)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/places/mikhailmikhmiche-miche.jpg)



Svetabel wrote:
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The palace was built in 1891 ( the exact address is Admiralteiiskaia Embankment 8 ) and sold in 1910.


i don't guess i mentioned it, that's the address for the building in the photo i posted?
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 13, 2006, 11:29:02 AM
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a few more palaces:

residence of Mikhail Mikhailovich (Miche-Miche)




And the same sight but in the early 1900s. The Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovich.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Michemichepalce.jpg)

The floorplans

The Ground floor

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/groundfloormichemiche.jpg)

The First floor

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/1stfloormichemiche.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: BobG on June 14, 2006, 04:57:59 AM
Svetabel,
Another wonderful plan!

One of the sad things about this palace is that Miche-Miche bearly got to live in it.  He no sooner had it built than he was banished for his morganatic marriage to Countess Torby.  I wonder who got the use of the palace after he left for England?

Any info?

BobG
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on June 14, 2006, 12:39:02 PM
Svetabel,

Thanks for sharing personaly I see things eye to eye with you,our tatstes are perfect...!

Vassili
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 14, 2006, 01:17:56 PM
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Svetabel,
 I wonder who got the use of the palace after he left for England?

Any info?

BobG

In 1891-1911 various institutions were housed in the Palace. The insurance company "Russian Lloyd" bought the building in  1911 and reconstructed some rooms.
The Gala Rooms are preserved till now.
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on April 07, 2007, 02:25:17 AM
A modern view of the Hall inside the Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovich.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/michemichepalace.jpg)



Now the restored rooms of the Palace  are used by many organisations for official receptions and formals, or some concerts.

(http://www.spbgmu.ru/sinelnikov/palace/18_large.jpg)

(http://www.spbgmu.ru/sinelnikov/palace/7_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Reco on April 23, 2007, 08:44:09 PM
The Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovich, Admiralty Quay 2 :

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7218/2881062900092769959ggklfw5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Arleen on April 25, 2007, 06:48:09 PM
Reco, Did you take this photograph?  What an interesting ship on the river.....any idea what it is, or what it is used for?

Arleen
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Reco on April 25, 2007, 07:14:18 PM

Not, Arleen, I did not take the photograph. I found it on Internet by chance.
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on April 26, 2007, 01:22:41 AM
Reco, Did you take this photograph?  What an interesting ship on the river.....any idea what it is, or what it is used for?

Arleen

Usually such ships on the Neva ( in the historical centre of the city) are just cafes  :) or restaurants or narrowboats.
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Venois on May 09, 2007, 02:38:52 AM
Some more photos of the Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovich:

(http://ttp://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/2.jpg)

(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/3.jpg)(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/13.jpg)
(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/14.jpg)(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/10.jpg)(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/12.jpg)(http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/32/70-73/1.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on May 27, 2007, 02:23:33 PM
The Study of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch - modern view

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/studymiche.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 27, 2007, 06:48:41 PM
Magnificent palaces for sure and marvelous pics but it sounds too empty as if the revolution were there is quite a short time...

It lacks of tables, ices, pieces of furniture, chairs, couches to reveal the real atmosphere of a prince's palace...I hope that with the passes of time,that something would be done!

V
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Twobsbob on September 06, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Svetabel,

Thank you so much for posting the pictures and information about the GD Mikhail Mikhailovich palace on Admiralty Embankment.  I was in StP a few months ago, and our hotel was located literally next door to it, at 2 Admiralty Emb., (identified in one of your pictures).  From my bedroom windows, I could see what is probably the palace's ballroom.  I was very curious about the building, and only found out on the last day of our stay that it was formerly the Grand Duke's palace.  I was told that it is used for social events and concerts.  It looks in very good shape, and I did see many people go in and out of the building at night, alighting from black limousines and such.  I have been scouring the web to find out more about it, and you've provided me with amazing information.  Thanks..

Bob
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Post by: imperialrussia.com on May 11, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
Арбитражный суд Петербурга и Ленобласти запретил регистрировать сделки в отношении исторического комплекса дворца великого князя Михаила Романова, проданного частному инвестору несколько месяцев назад.

Инициатор судебного разбирательства, экс-арендатор здания ООО Комплекс Адмиралтейская-8, опасается, что новый владелец особняка передаст права на здание третьим лицам, сообщает Фонтанка.Ру.

Замороженным исторический комплекс будет оставаться до 9 июня. На этот день назначено судебное заседание, на котором будут по существу рассматриваться претензии Комплекса Адмиралтейская-8. Истец также просит признать недействительными торги по продаже исторического здания.

В конце февраля дворец достался никому не известной компании по стартовой цене 520 млн рублей. В торгах участвовали две компании; победителем стало ООО Дворец Великого князя Михаила Михайловича Романова.

В ООО Комплекс Адмиралтейская-8 полагают, что фирма, заключившая договор с Фондом имущества, преследует цель перепродать выкупленный дворец. Дворец Михаила Михайловича Романова (Мало-Михайловский) был построен в 1885 году по проекту российского архитектора Максимилиана Месмахера, немца по происхождению, когда великому князю было 24 года. Площадь княжеского дворца составляет 5000 кв. м, а его участка 0,221 га. Служебный флигель занимает 3135 квадратных метра на участке 0,188 га.

Здание в стиле неоренессанс был инновационным для конца XIX века: к дому были подведены газопровод, электричество, телефонная связь. Парадный вход был с Адмиралтейской набережной. В 1917 году здание купила страховая компания Русский Ллойд. В советское время в нем располагались различные общественные учреждения.
 
 
Title: Re: Palace of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch,2nd son of GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on January 06, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
A video on the Palace, in Russian, but you can see the restored interiors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrMvKqcje8o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrMvKqcje8o)