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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tatiana Nicholaievna => Topic started by: Katharina on February 05, 2004, 03:39:39 PM

Title: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Katharina on February 05, 2004, 03:39:39 PM
What do you know about Dmitri Malama?
Was Dmitri Malama in any way related to Dr. B. Z. Malama, honorary physician to the Tsar?

A few months ago I found the following information:

Peter de Malama, Bournemouth: "I recently read a book about Group Captain Peter Townsend, best remembered for his ill-fated romance with Princess Margaret in the 1940s and 1950s. It put me in mind of an incident in my family which predates his by 30 or 40 years.
In 1914 at the start of World War One my cousin Dimitri de Malama was a young officer in the Imperial Russian Cavalry. In August he was decorated for gallantry and soon afterwards seriously wounded. In the autumn of 1914 the wounded hero found himself in a hospital in St Petersburg. There he was introduced to the Grand Duchess Tatiana, daughter of Tsar Nicholas II, nursing as a sister of mercy.
In early 1915 when he had recovered Dimitri was appointed as an equerry to the Court of the Tsar at Tsarskoe Seloe near St Petersburg. (Thirty years later Group Capt Peter Townsend, a Battle of Britain hero would be appointed to the British Court also as an equerry.) There at Tsarskoe Seloe, during 1915, under the approving eye of the Empress Alexandra and to the amusement of the young Tsarevich and delight of royal observers, a romance blossomed.  Rather like the Townsend-Princess Margaret romance 35 years later there was however to be no fairytale ending. The Russian Revolution intervened in 1917 and the Grand Duchess was murdered along with her family in July 1918. As for Dimitri, he outlived his beloved Tatiana by little over a year. He was killed in the Ukraine while commanding a unit of the White Russians during the civil war in August 1919. He lies buried in the town of Krasnodar.“

Please compare this article with the following information from www.alexanderpalace.org
Extracts from the letters of Tatiana
Oct.12 "...Anya brought me from Malama (probably she speaks about Dmitry Malama, officer of the Life-Guards Uhlan Regiment) a small French bulldog (Ortino). It's a very cute little thing. I am so happy..."

Extracts from the letters of Anastasia to her Father
"...Ortino and Tatiana are running about the room now. Mother is going to receive Maklakov at 9 a.m. and Malama will come, too, which is very pleasant."

Letters of the Tsaritsa to the Tsar - November 1914
"Now Malama comes to tea to say quite goodbye. Goodbye my Angel huzzy. God bless and protect you"

Alexandra to Nicholas, March 17, 1916
"...Ortino had to be shown to his Father [the visiting Dmitri Malama, who had given the dog to Tatiana] of course..."
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Joanna on April 24, 2004, 12:21:53 AM
Hi Katharina & Elisa !

In the complete correspondence by Fuhrmann there is a Dimitri Yakovlevic Malama, officer in Alexandra's Life Guards Lancer Reg.  There are six references about him in Alexandra's letters particularly as Elisa writes of A's letter dated March 17, 1916:

"...My little Malama came for an hour yesterday evening, after dinner at Anias. We had not seen him for 1 1/2 years. Looks flourishing more of a man now, an adorable boy still. I must say, a perfect son in law he wld. have been - why are foreign Pces. [princes]  not as nice! - Oritpo [the dog] had to be shown to his "Father" of course..."

Joanna
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Katharina on April 26, 2004, 07:50:30 AM
Dear Joanna,

Thanks for posting this complete entry. I did not know the first part. I guess I should try to get hold of Joseph T. Fuhrman's book.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Katharina on April 26, 2004, 07:53:01 AM
Dear Elisa,

What a surprising new information! Both Olga and Tatiana loved Dmitri?
So is it possible that "Mitya, the golden one" refers to Dmitri Malama?
Please have a look at the thread called "Olga Nikolaevna's first love" and let me know what you think!

A lot of further questions arise anyway:
Both sisters in platonic love with the same officer?
Did they realize each other's feelings?
Did Malama prefer Tatiana's presence ? (As far as I know, Ortino was a present for Tatiana only, not for both of them).
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 26, 2004, 11:40:03 AM
Although it has been stated in several places that Dmitri Malama was the "Mitya" of Olga's affections, I wonder if she would be in love with someone who was the focus of Tatiana's affections.    :-/   From what I've read, the sisters had a close and harmonious relationship.  No signs of competition seem to have ever been noted, perhaps because each had strengths and abilities that the other did not have.  So a relationship of mutual respect and admiration would not, I don't think, have included a serious competition for the affections of one man.

Remember also that Dmitri was a fairly common name.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Lanie on April 26, 2004, 05:56:28 PM
The ball book you're talking about talks about Pavel Voronov, a Standart officer, who Olga apparently had a crush on, who ended up married (and OTMA were at the wedding!).
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 26, 2004, 06:26:06 PM
Yes, I have read of this attachment.

Does anyone have any information re: Pavel Voronov? (Maybe this query should be placed in a different category?)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Namarolf on April 26, 2004, 07:53:20 PM
I wondered about Paul Voronov several years ago, when I read "The Hunt for the Czar", by Guy Richards, a book written to support the claim of Michal Goleniewski to be Tsarevich Aleksey Nikolaievich. The edition I have (London 1977) includes a list of 31 illustrations, the 31th being "The Cazarevich Alexei and Paul Voronov" -however, the actual illustrations end with the 30th, and the 31th is simply not included. The text mentions Voronov only once (p. 170), saying:

"He (Clark R. Mollenhoff, a Pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter) would be ideally suited to ask the CIA why it never questioned the four men now in the United States who knew the real Alexei N. Romanov well and were in a position to determine whether Goleniewski is he. They are Kyril de Shishmarev; Count Alexis Buxhoeveden, cousin to Baroness Buxhoeveden, the Empress Alexandra's lady in waiting; and two officers on the Czar's yacht Standart -Baron George Taube and Paul Voronov."

Does anyone knows more about Voronov -where he lived, when he passed away, etc.?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Katharina on April 27, 2004, 07:11:08 AM
Thanks to all for your postings!


Another idea: There are hardly any references to the Malama family. For instance, if you do a Google search you will only find a page mentioning Yakov Dimitrievich Malama, a Vice King of Georgia (1904-1905)

So I would like to repeat my initial question: Was Dmitri Malama in any way related to Dr. B. Z. Malama, honorary physician to the Tsar? Actually that would fit in perfectly:

1) According to Ian Vorres, Dr. Malama was in contact with Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and Colonel Koulikovsky.

2)
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Check p. 114 of The Fall of the Romanovs.  On June 21, 1917, Olga Nicholievna writes to her Aunt Olga and speaks of wanting to have had a "heart-to-heart" when they last saw each other.  She also passes on a kiss to her and to Mitia.
 

How these small pieces of information fit in, don't they?
Is it really that easy or am I just overwhelmed by the idea that all the time I have had the answer just before my eyes and did not realize?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 27, 2004, 11:20:50 AM
Katharina--

And the plot thickens . . .   :)

Now, would Mitia be the nephew of Dr. Malama? And in 1917 would he be with Olga Alexandrovna and her family in the Crimea and the other Romanov refugees and their associates?

And if it is him, did he then elect to stay and fight, rather than leaving as many of them did, eventually dying in Ukraine in August 1919 as the first posting notes?

Or, is Mitya someone other than Dmitri Malama--i.e., a member of the party that leaves Russia?  

Also, I remember reading that Olga N. records in her diary how Mitia is very much like his mother. So, would Mitia's mother have therefore been a lady of the court? Or someone associated with the hospital?

And if Mitia, Olga's special friend, is Dmitri Malama, where does that leave Tatiana?  :-[   She seemed to receive the most gifts and attention from Malama . . . or did she?!  :o

I do think we're on to something . . . The pieces may be fitting together, but we need a few more critical pieces . . .



Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Marlene on January 06, 2005, 03:15:20 PM
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What do you know about Dmitri Malama?

Peter de Malama recently wrote about his cousin's romance with Tatiana.  The article "The Romanovs - the Forgotten Romance" was published in the December 2004 issue of Royalty Digest.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on January 09, 2005, 02:09:23 PM
In Lanie s Romanov Web, in album of november, there was a photo of Tatiana with Malama: she is standing in her nurse form and smiles, he is in a chair. Near them, a doctor. If it is not a mistake. I have seen this photo in an other book, the author wrote it was Malama...
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Candice on January 11, 2005, 02:08:21 PM
elsa, who wrote "Amidst the sound of the ball" please.

Katharina, Can you please tell me what the title of the book by Joseph T. Fuhrman is.

Malama is new to me. I didn't know Tatiana liked anyone.

Many thanks.

Candice
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yoyo on January 11, 2005, 07:49:26 PM
Matushka,

You mean there is a picture of Malama  :o? Would you please post the link  ;D. Thanks, I always wanted to see the guy.

This is might be slightly off-topic but I think it was on this site I read that according to Anna Virubova, lieutenant Rodionov had a crush on TN. There are quite a few pictures of him with OTMA, including some cute ones of him holding hands with TN (as on p.162 of Prince Micheal of Greece's "The Family Albums"; sorry, no scanner :-/).

Thanks
Yoyo
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Lanie on January 11, 2005, 07:53:18 PM
Here's one photo of Tatiana with Malama:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/LanieD/tatianamalama.jpg)

There's another one with Tatiana and Olga inbetween Malama from a larger group at the hospital but I'm too lazy to go get it. ;)  From what I understand Tatiana named her dog Ortino because Malama's favorite horse was named Ortino!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yoyo on January 11, 2005, 08:06:14 PM
Thanks Lanie. If you have more to post, I'll love to see them ;D.
Yoyo
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on January 13, 2005, 04:46:32 PM
Dear Lanie, could you please post this other photo of Malama with Olga and Tatiana? I am not sure I know it. Thank you!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Lisa on January 13, 2005, 05:19:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/LanieD/tatianamalama.jpg)

Is it me, or he looks like GD Dmitri Pavlovich on this photo?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Lanie on January 13, 2005, 05:38:45 PM
I forgot to say, Malama's the fellow in the wheelchair!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Lisa on January 14, 2005, 04:03:07 AM
Yes, I understand... but on this pic, he looks like GD Dmitri. Was it "always", or just here?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Michelle on January 20, 2005, 10:57:14 AM
Hey, finally one of the GD's showing some taste in guys! :D ;D ::) lol lol lol

Paul Voronov who liked Olga (and she liked him) was far from a looker. :P Not worthy enough for her beauty. Olga was way too good for him.  This Dmitri dude is much MUCH more handsome!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Janet_W. on January 20, 2005, 11:44:03 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Paul Voronov was tall, slender, and distinguished, the latter applying to both his looks and his service to his employers. From his photographs, it appears that he did appear more mature than his years, but given the fact that Olga was "her father's daughter" and a thoughtful person with greater emotional maturity than many her age, it stands to reason that she would be drawn to someone who had tremendous inner qualities in addition to physical attractiveness.

Dmitri Malama was far more in the image of what would now be termed a "hottie," but I am not entirely convinced that he was the "Mitya" Olga later wrote about in her diary.  Perhaps.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Georgiy on January 20, 2005, 01:58:23 PM
Also some people who may be genuinly good looking aren't necessarily photogenic.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 20, 2005, 02:13:21 PM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Paul Voronov was tall, slender, and distinguished, the latter applying to both his looks and his service to his employers. From his photographs, it appears that he did appear more mature than his years, but given the fact that Olga was "her father's daughter" and a thoughtful person with greater emotional maturity than many her age, it stands to reason that she would be drawn to someone who had tremendous inner qualities in addition to physical attractiveness.

Dmitri Malama was far more in the image of what would now be termed a "hottie," but I am not entirely convinced that he was the "Mitya" Olga later wrote about in her diary.  Perhaps.


I don't think Dmitri Malama was Olga's Mitya. Bob, do you remember?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yoyo on March 24, 2005, 11:42:54 AM
There is this famous picture of Tatiana putting a cast on the leg of a soldier, with two doctors looking on (can't post it, no scanner). The soldier on the picture looks a lot like Dmitri Malama (the picture Lanie posted previously). So I'm wondering if there is any chance that the guy whose leg was being cast was also DM. That DM appears in a wheelchair indicates that there was something wrong with his leg too. Just coincidence?
Yoyo
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Speedycat on May 29, 2005, 12:20:30 PM
Here is Malama in a more formal pose from the article in 'Royalty Digest'...................

(http://img33.echo.cx/img33/7137/malamadimitri5if.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Laura Mabee on May 29, 2005, 05:14:13 PM
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Peter de Malama recently wrote about his cousin's romance with Tatiana.  The article "The Romanovs - the Forgotten Romance" was published in the December 2004 issue of Royalty Digest.


Would you be willing to scan the article Marlene, it does sound like quite the read  :)

P.s Thank you Speedycat for the picture!  :-*
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: imperial angel on September 29, 2005, 11:01:55 AM
Please scan that article! This so interesting. It is nice to know that Tatiana who was always rather cold and reserved had some sort of romantic interest and that it was this guy, who seems so interesting.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: carlota11 on September 29, 2005, 11:56:38 AM
  :)PLEEEEAAASSSEEE!!!! Can you post or scan the article???? :'( Or talk about that?  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on September 29, 2005, 03:22:28 PM
I would like to cite a passage of the memories of I. Stepanov, a wounded who was in the same room as Malama in the lazaret.  Part in my poor english, part in russian, when I can not translating.

"Malama was young, had blond hair. Before the war, he became famous when won the first price for a course of 100 verstes (stoverstnom probege) although he was the youngest officer. He shows himself as very couragous at the first battle and was quickly wounded (byl tiajelo ranen). His conscience, his fair relation to his duty and in particular his regiment was surprisingly high. He though only about "duty" and "responsibility". He was decorate by the Empress, who gave him the Georgievskoe oruje, but felt tourment because his camarades were fighing when he spent good time in Tsarskoe Selo. He had only the conscience of his duty. He loved the Empress very much. [...] Malama [and others] had been page at the Court and they were abble to talk interesting  stories for the Grand-Duchesses . Most of the time, the GD went out from the "pereviazochnoi" (sorry, do not know the english word) before their mother. They visited all people and then had a sit in our room and were waiting for their Mother. Tatiana Nikolaevna was always sitting near Malama [...]"
I hope it was interesting, and help us to know more about Malama.

Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: mitia on October 02, 2005, 02:48:12 PM
I took some time this week-end to go to my local library and make some search about the Malama family, which is indeed mentionned in the few books I found about Eastern Europe nobility. The family of Malama comes from Transylvania ( to day part of Roumania and also known at some stage of History as the Austrian province of Siebenburgen ). The family can be traced back to the early 17th century when the name was Malom which is Hungarian for mill. In the early 1600s, the Princes Rakoczy made Transylvania independent from the Ottoman Empire and created a " home grown nobility ". Thus in 1653, two brothers from the Malom family were ennobled by the Princes Rakoczy and their name was changed to Malama. One century later, Transylvania had become part of the Austrian Empire. In accordance with his policy of Germanisation, Emperor Joseph II re-ennobled in perpetuity the Malamas and made them Barons von Malama of the Holy Roman Empire. In the mean time, some members of the Malama family had left Transylvania and gone to Russia, where they served Peter The Great and all the following Tzars. They had been admitted de facto into the Russian nobility and remained part of the establishment till the Revolution in 1917 when some were killed and others managed to escape to various parts of Europe. Dimitri de Malama who died in 1919 and his cousin Peter de Lamana who is alive ( and living in the UK as mentionned by other members ) belong to this " Russian branch " of the Malama family. I shall not go into further details about the genealogy of the whole Malama family here as it would sound extremly complicated, this family beeing linked from the start to Transylvania, a country which was constantly kicked about from one emprire to the next etc...
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on October 03, 2005, 07:58:31 AM
Thank you, Mitia, you have done a very good work!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on October 14, 2005, 03:29:02 PM
3 little points or questions:

If the Empress wrote "We had not seen him for 1 1/2 years. ", a romance could not blossom during 1915, as Katharina wrote at the beginning of this thread :( But perhaps Lanie, for example, know more about that.

When did Olga start to wrote about the mysterious Mitia? In 1914, 1915, 1916?  Do you remember the date of this diary's entries? If it is during 1915, Mitia is certainly not Malama, she did not see for some time, as tell us the Empress.

According to this Stepanov I already quote, Malama was in Kiev at the beginning of 1918.

Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: imperial angel on October 18, 2005, 10:40:40 AM
The truth is hard to arrive at, but I am sure that this can be investigated and proven one way or the other. Sometimes details don't matter ;) it is the essential fact that counts. The essential fact here is that this man, was one of, if the only love interest of Grand Duchess Tatiana, so we have a thread on it, and the discussion continues to find out more about this man, and Tatiana. So, it is always interesting.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: lovy on December 10, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
i heard in this documentary that BOTH olga and tatiana fell in love with dmitri. he was a wounded officer during the war. alexandra wrote a letter to nicholas saying "one would say what a nice son-in-law he would make for our tatiana."
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: imperial angel on December 12, 2005, 10:37:01 AM
Do you remember what documentry it was? Don't worry if you don't remember because we all hear lots of info from different sources, and we don't sometimes remember where. But if you do remember, post it.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yoyo on December 14, 2005, 06:28:49 AM
I think that documentary would be A&E's "Nicholas & Alexandra" biography. I have it on tape, but have not watched it in a while.

Yoyo
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: imperial angel on December 16, 2005, 11:13:37 AM
That is interesting, and I have never seen that documentry, but it sounds like it has stuff worth seeing in it. I love A & E stuff!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Nastya on December 23, 2005, 09:44:36 AM
was this the photo you were talking about with tatiana changing a bandage on a soldiers leg with doctors watching?

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c308/Romanovlover/tatchangingbandagesonasoldier.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yoyo on December 25, 2005, 11:26:57 AM
Yes. Any chance he could be Malama?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ida on January 26, 2006, 03:32:52 PM
At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Helene on January 26, 2006, 11:35:41 PM
Not the same, it is Dimitri Pavlovich  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ida on January 27, 2006, 08:10:02 AM
Really? He doesn't look like himself in those o.O Or am I stupid?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Faberge on January 27, 2006, 08:45:13 AM
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was this the photo you were talking about with tatiana changing a bandage on a soldiers leg with doctors watching?

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c308/Romanovlover/tatchangingbandagesonasoldier.jpg)


Why aren't we seeing today's Princesses changing the bandages of the wounded ? Perhaps that sort of dedication to one's people ended by WWII.

Anything new on Dmitri Malama ?

Thank you,
Faberge
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Faberge on January 27, 2006, 09:11:53 AM
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At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.


Well done. Absolutely not the same person by any means.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on February 05, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Yes. Any chance he could be Malama?
I believe the soldier with the wounded leg could be Malama. His eyes and browline look strikingly similar to Malama's. Hard to tell for sure, though, since he's holding his head in a slightly unnatural position.  :-\
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: scarlett_riviera on February 28, 2007, 04:49:09 AM
At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.

I'm kind of late here. But the officer on those photos- isn't he Dimitri Pavlovich?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on February 28, 2007, 07:46:40 AM
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I'm kind of late here. But the officer on those photos- isn't he Dimitri Pavlovich?

Yes, that's exactly right, as Helene said about a month ago.  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 02, 2007, 06:41:55 PM


  This note may be quite old news by now, but quite convincing evidence has appeared on the Forum that Olga N.'s Dimitry (Mitia) was a different man than Tatiana's Dmitry Malama. Check out "Olga Nicholaievna and Mitia" on the Olga board to see that her Mitia was probably Dmitry Shahk-Bagov, also a wounded officer at the lazaretz.Much credit goes to those resourceful posters who have done some fine research about Mitia".
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Janet_W. on May 03, 2007, 02:17:11 AM
I agree, Rodney G., like you I am indebted to those who've checked into this subject!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: KiKi on July 14, 2007, 05:32:45 PM
I am watching a documentry Nicolas and Alexandra and they say the last name of Dmitri is NOT Malama but Malamar with an R at the end.  Which is correct? ???
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on July 14, 2007, 07:42:30 PM
His name is consistently spelled in Royal Sisters of Mercy (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=64) as "Malama." I'm inclined to believe that's correct, as the bulk of the text was taken directly from the grand duchesses' diaries and letters.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: KiKi on July 14, 2007, 08:00:26 PM
His name is consistently spelled in Royal Sisters of Mercy (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=64) as "Malama." I'm inclined to believe that's correct, as the bulk of the text was taken directly from the grand duchesses' diaries and letters.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on February 16, 2009, 07:40:41 AM
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546.jpg.html)

Isn't  this lying wounded officer Dmitri Malama ?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: LisaDavidson on February 16, 2009, 12:59:59 PM
His name is consistently spelled in Royal Sisters of Mercy (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=64) as "Malama." I'm inclined to believe that's correct, as the bulk of the text was taken directly from the grand duchesses' diaries and letters.

You are correct.

Another point about names - Russia uses the Cyrillic alphabet so all names rendered in English are translated to the best approximation of the Russian name in English. For example, the English "Nicholas" is actually "Nikolai" in Russian, "Michael" is actually "Mikhail", etc.

The point is - I would not be concerned about differing letters in the same name in such circumstances.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: nena on February 16, 2009, 03:38:35 PM
GD Olga wanted to all non Russian names to be pronouncated in Russian, OTMA had discussion about it (or invertedly, not sure). -- from Count V.N. Voeikov memories.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 17, 2009, 03:08:08 AM
Even TMA do.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 17, 2009, 04:40:25 AM
GD Olga wanted to all non Russian names to be pronouncated in Russian, OTMA had discussion about it (or invertedly, not sure). -- from Count V.N. Voeikov memories.

Quote please? :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 17, 2009, 07:06:43 AM
Are Count V.N.Voeikov's memories available online or do you have to buy them as a book?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on February 17, 2009, 08:06:31 AM
Are Count V.N.Voeikov's memories available online or do you have to buy them as a book?

I think you have to buy them as a printed book. As far as I know, they're only available in Russian. More info here (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=92).
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 17, 2009, 12:38:51 PM
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546.jpg.html)

Isn't  this lying wounded officer Dmitri Malama ?

It looks like him... Do you have b&w please?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on February 17, 2009, 01:06:28 PM
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/01/dae61287a546.jpg.html)

Isn't  this lying wounded officer Dmitri Malama ?

It looks like him... Do you have b&w please?

b&w  please !

(http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0902/56/5d990ad86f1dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i157/0902/56/5d990ad86f1d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 17, 2009, 01:26:32 PM
Thank you very much! You always have new pictures I have never seen, that's so kind :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 17, 2009, 03:02:56 PM


I think you have to buy them as a printed book. As far as I know, they're only available in Russian. More info here (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=92).

That's too bad... I only know a couple of Russian words.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: nena on February 17, 2009, 03:28:15 PM
Yes, it is only avaiable in Russian, lucky I found one Serbian version of it last year.  :D

I'll try to find quote and post it.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 17, 2009, 05:34:51 PM
Oh, I want to get my hands on this book! It says it's out of print, though. Nah, I'm sure I'll be able to find it... Oh, and Tatiana Z, thanks for the b&w photo! :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 20, 2009, 08:17:42 AM
To whom on OMA is Dmitri closest?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 20, 2009, 08:24:52 AM
Malama and tatiana had very special friendship if that´s what you mean.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 20, 2009, 08:30:35 AM
Oh, I mean was he close to OMA? Sorry for my confusing post...
Shaska
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 20, 2009, 06:57:53 PM
No, I think he spent more time with Tatiana, but he probably did have some chats with the rest of the girls.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on February 20, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
I think Malama was one of the patients who was sometimes invited to Vyrubova's house for tea with the girls. (All four of them attended those teas on various occasions.)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 21, 2009, 03:34:02 AM
Anya and Alix welcome him like a friend.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on February 22, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
Yes, they most likely did. Why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on February 22, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Anya and Alix welcome him like a friend.

Certainly. These teas were by invitation only.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 24, 2009, 02:52:50 AM
Maybe they also did that because they know Tatiana has something special for him.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on February 26, 2009, 08:59:16 PM
Are there any accounts saying how Dmitri got Tatiana's death news? Just wanna know how he reacted. I hope he cried fervently.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Proud_Olga on April 30, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
Would somebody know his birth date? There's no information about it.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: thekingofcarrotflowers on May 29, 2009, 04:55:45 AM
Are there any accounts saying how Dmitri got Tatiana's death news? Just wanna know how he reacted. I hope he cried fervently.

Malama died while commanding a unit of white Russians:( I believe that was only a year after the Romanov's murder so it wasn't clear at that point what had happened to the Romanovs.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: thekingofcarrotflowers on May 29, 2009, 05:00:48 AM
Quote
At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.

Well done. Absolutely not the same person by any means.


Oooh... Wasn't Pavlovich engaged to Olga? And it was broken off because of his association with Felix Yusupov?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on May 29, 2009, 06:50:54 AM

Oooh... Wasn't Pavlovich engaged to Olga? And it was broken off because of his association with Felix Yusupov?

I think you'll find that information in this thread: Olga's official suitors, marriage prospects, and proposals (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1802.0).
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on May 30, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Grand Duchess Tatiana  and Dmitri Malama .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHm3uL4NxYo
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
I don't know too much about him, but did they have an official relationship?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 08, 2009, 05:11:15 PM
I don't know too much about him, but did they have an official relationship?

There were view "official relationships" Grand Duchess Tatiana could have had. The only one that comes to my mind is an engagement, and no, they were not engaged.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2009, 05:18:58 PM
What fast answer!! Thank you! But I was refferring if they were officially considered
girlfriend and boyfriend, not neccesary to get married or engagement
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sarushka on September 08, 2009, 05:26:24 PM
What fast answer!! Thank you! But I was refferring if they were officially considered
girlfriend and boyfriend, not neccesary to get married or engagement

No, they weren't. Malama was certainly one of Tatiana's favorite soldiers in the lazaret and she may even have had a crush on him, but they would not have been considered girlfriend/boyfriend.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 08, 2009, 06:28:46 PM
What fast answer!! Thank you! But I was refferring if they were officially considered
girlfriend and boyfriend, not neccesary to get married or engagement

No, they weren't. Malama was certainly one of Tatiana's favorite soldiers in the lazaret and she may even have had a crush on him, but they would not have been considered girlfriend/boyfriend.

And nothing like that type of "official status" existed at that time in the Russian Empire.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 10, 2009, 07:20:08 PM
Thank you!!
What fast answer!! Thank you! But I was refferring if they were officially considered
girlfriend and boyfriend, not neccesary to get married or engagement

No, they weren't. Malama was certainly one of Tatiana's favorite soldiers in the lazaret and she may even have had a crush on him, but they would not have been considered girlfriend/boyfriend.

And nothing like that type of "official status" existed at that time in the Russian Empire.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 12, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
Are there any accounts saying how Dmitri got Tatiana's death news? Just wanna know how he reacted. I hope he cried fervently.

My grand father who was Dmitrij's younger cousine, recalled that after he knew about the murder, he began intentionally to look for death in action. After some heroic deeds he finally fell in the battle in the Sallski steppes.  It would be great to know though references to statements that he was killed near Tsaritsyn (how symbolic for him!) and where exactly is his grave. I saw somewhere an account that it is in Ekaterinodar.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 12, 2009, 01:48:39 PM
It´s so sad... and romantic...
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 12, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
Thanks to all for your postings!


Another idea: There are hardly any references to the Malama family. For instance, if you do a Google search you will only find a page mentioning Yakov Dimitrievich Malama, a Vice King of Georgia (1904-1905)

So I would like to repeat my initial question: Was Dmitri Malama in any way related to Dr. B. Z. Malama, honorary physician to the Tsar? Actually that would fit in perfectly:

1) According to Ian Vorres, Dr. Malama was in contact with Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and Colonel Koulikovsky.

2)
Quote
Check p. 114 of The Fall of the Romanovs.  On June 21, 1917, Olga Nicholievna writes to her Aunt Olga and speaks of wanting to have had a "heart-to-heart" when they last saw each other.  She also passes on a kiss to her and to Mitia.
 
How these small pieces of information fit in, don't they?
Is it really that easy or am I just overwhelmed by the idea that all the time I have had the answer just before my eyes and did not realize?


Yes, indeed they were relatives. In fact, virtually any person in Russia with Malama surname before 1917 would belong to the same large family. Dmitirij was also called by Tsarina "little" probably because there were two more (older) Malamas at the Court: Dr. Boris Zakharovich and Egermeister (Tzar's friend) Alexander Valerianovich.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:32:57 PM
What sad history!!!! :'-(
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: RHB on December 12, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
Are there any accounts saying how Dmitri got Tatiana's death news? Just wanna know how he reacted. I hope he cried fervently.

My grand father who was Dmitrij's younger cousine, recalled that after he knew about the murder, he began intentionally to look for death in action. After some heroic deeds he finally fell in the battle in the Sallski steppes.  It would be great to know though references to statements that he was killed near Tsaritsyn (how symbolic for him!) and where exactly is his grave. I saw somewhere an account that it is in Ekaterinodar.

Aww how sweet (so to speak)... he really fell for Tatiana (love wise) didn't he? if only they had survived since Tatiana wasn't a grand duchess anymore they could have possibly been "together" couldn't they?  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 13, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
It is possible that had they lived, they might nave been permitted to marry - the only way the could be together in the sense you mean it.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 13, 2009, 11:33:47 AM
Would somebody know his birth date? There's no information about it.

Dmitrij Yakovlevich was born on Jul. 19, 1891 in the village of Lozovatka, Verkhnedneprovskij ouezd. He graduated from Pajeskij Corpous in 1912 and on Aug. 6, 1912 he was made cornet. He had two older sisters: Vera and Ekaterina.

I'll try to post a new photo of Dmitrij around the time of his graduation.

I suspect that he was not killed in Ukraine, as my uncle Peter wrote, because it would be next to unreal to bring his body from there to Ekaterinodar. This city is much closer to both Tsaritsyn and Salskij steppes.

P.S. All dates are in Julian calendar.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on December 13, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
The family's deaths and its manner are difficult for us today and certainly one didn't have
to know them personally as well as he did to agonize over it . But when Dmitri Malama learned
of Tatiana's  and the family's fate, I cannot imagine the emotional pain
and torment  this young man experienced.

How often we say, so if only we were there! Yes, but there would be a price for that...besides
the pain of thier loss, he must of felt he should have somehow saved them , impossible though that
might have been. Only moments of extreme personal danger would offer a respite.
...at least that is what Dmitri Malama seems to have discovered.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on December 13, 2009, 08:24:26 PM
Would somebody know his birth date? There's no information about it.

Dmitrij Yakovlevich was born on Jul. 19, 1891 in the village of Lozovatka, Verkhnedneprovskij ouezd. He graduated from Pajeskij Corpous in 1912 and on Aug. 6, 1912 he was made cornet. He had two older sisters: Vera and Ekaterina.

I'll try to post a new photo of Dmitrij around the time of his graduation.

I suspect that he was not killed in Ukraine, as my uncle Peter wrote, because it would be next to unreal to bring his body from there to Ekaterinodar. This city is much closer to both Tsaritsyn and Salskij steppes.

P.S. All dates are in Julian calendar.

Wow, you're one of Dmitri Malama's nephews!
I thank you for the information about him. I didn't expect someone related to him would join this forum. I thank you in advance for the photo.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 14, 2009, 09:16:03 AM
Hmm, for some reason I don't see 'attach' image option under my Additional options in this reply, so I can't post an image. Forgive my ignorance, but may be someone will enlighten me on this?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 14, 2009, 10:04:35 AM
Hmm, for some reason I don't see 'attach' image option under my Additional options in this reply, so I can't post an image. Forgive my ignorance, but may be someone will enlighten me on this?

Hello!  Check out this topicfor help : http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=771.0
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 16, 2009, 03:50:31 AM
(http://www.istok.net/dymalama.jpg)
Here's photo of Dmitrij Yakovlevich probably around spring of 1912. Honestly speaking, I believe him to be among the Synaxis of the Holy New Martyrs of Russia. As St. Righteous John of Kronstadt asserted, all soldiers who fall in the battle honestly carrying out their duty and oath to the Tzar, are taken to the Heavenly hosts by the King of kings.

Also, may it will be of some interest: Dmitrij's heroism showed him as a fruitful offshoot of his heroic father. I post here a picture of this great general widely adored by people during his rule in the Caucasus.

(http://www.istok.net/YADM.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Olga Maria on December 16, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Wow, thank you for that photo, Michael! He is obviously very tall...I'm feeling so sad why his and Tatiana's love story would end up tragically.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on December 16, 2009, 04:17:06 AM
I actually received yesterday a confirmation from a famous Russian White Army historisian S. Volkov that Dimitrij was killed near Tsarytsyn and not in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 10:20:32 AM
I actually received yesterday a confirmation from a famous Russian White Army historisian S. Volkov that Dimitrij was killed near Tsarytsyn and not in Ukraine.

I red Malama was fought near Volgograd (Tsarytsyn/Stalingrad). But other informations claim that Ukraine.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on December 16, 2009, 10:38:46 AM
Honestly speaking, I believe him to be among the Synaxis of the Holy New Martyrs of Russia. As St. Righteous John of Kronstadt asserted, all soldiers who fall in the battle honestly carrying out their duty and oath to the Tzar, are taken to the Heavenly hosts by the King of kings.....Also, may it will be of some interest: Dmitrij's heroism showed him as a fruitful offshoot of his heroic father. I post here a picture of this great general widely adored by people during his rule in the Caucasus.
Thank you so very much Rdr. Malama for the photos and the information. They are not forgotten
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 18, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
Thank you soo much for the photos ;-) the information is totally new for me too ;-)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: mitia on January 05, 2010, 11:59:28 AM
So sorry to ask, but as a French man, I am afraid I do not know what RDR  ( in front of a first name ) means ?
I am at the moment finishing the writing of a chapter named " The Royal Breed " for the book of Nick Waters " Art and Heritage of the French Bulldog " which shall be published in the Netherlands but in English language this year. The last part of my chapter ends with the most famous imperial Frenchie of course ORTIPO. In her book about Alexis ( Le dernier Tsarevitch enfant martyr ) Princess Eugenie de Grece states that Dimitri Malama who gave the brindle " girl " Ortipo to GD Tatiana had himself a French Bulldog named Rojah ? Would anyone know whether Rojah or Roja was a boy or a girl Frenchie ? ( I mean male or female of course but prefer using boy or girl even for dogs ) ! Thanks if anyone can help !
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on January 05, 2010, 12:43:45 PM
In her book about Alexis ( Le dernier Tsarevitch enfant martyr ) Princess Eugenie de Grece states that Dimitri Malama who gave the brindle " girl " Ortipo to GD Tatiana had himself a French Bulldog named Rojah ? 
What interesting information! This would make his gift even more personal. I hope Princess Eugenie de Grece 's book is translate into English some day! And the book you are writing for sounds great too! Please let us know when its available. I wish I could  help you with your question...someone will, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on January 06, 2010, 02:03:43 AM
So sorry to ask, but as a French man, I am afraid I do not know what RDR  ( in front of a first name ) means ?

It is abbreviation for the clergy rank of Reader in the Greek Orthodox Church.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: mitia on January 06, 2010, 11:34:29 AM
Thank you for the information about the meaning of Rdr.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: wox24 on January 08, 2010, 05:19:39 PM
Dmitriy Malama and Vladimir Kiknadze was quite handsome men. But I think Malama was more. ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on January 08, 2010, 06:37:16 PM

My grand father who was Dmitrij's younger cousine, recalled that after he knew about the murder, he began intentionally to look for death in action. After some heroic deeds he finally fell in the battle in the Sallski steppes.  It would be great to know though references to statements that he was killed near Tsaritsyn (how symbolic for him!) and where exactly is his grave. I saw somewhere an account that it is in Ekaterinodar.

Dear Rdr.Michael Malama !
I 'm so much surprized !!!! Thank you for Your information and this wonderful new photo of Dmitry Malama .
I hope You know russian language?

Это так удивительно , что Вы являетесь родственником Дмитрия .
Ведь о нём так мало информации , а узнать о нём очень хочется побольше .
Хоть  истории любви Дмитрия к Татьяне Николаевне уже почти 100 лет , но она трогает наши души до сих пор !
Несколько месяцев назад я сделала клип об этой любви  .Вот ссылка на него
 Grand Duchess Tatiana  and Dmitri Malama .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHm3uL4NxYo

Жаль , что тогда у меня не было этой новой фотографии .
Ещё раз , огромное Вам спасибо от всех участников нашего форума !
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on January 08, 2010, 07:48:21 PM
(http://www.istok.net/dymalama.jpg)
Here's photo of Dmitrij Yakovlevich probably around spring of 1912. Honestly speaking, I believe him to be among the Synaxis of the Holy New Martyrs of Russia. As St. Righteous John of Kronstadt asserted, all soldiers who fall in the battle honestly carrying out their duty and oath to the Tzar, are taken to the Heavenly hosts by the King of kings.


Извините , не могла удержаться .

(http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/1001/1b/61618391d002t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s56.radikal.ru/i153/1001/1b/61618391d002.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on January 08, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
Dmitriy Malama and Vladimir Kiknadze was quite handsome men. But I think Malama was more. ;)
I with you on that. He was very  handsome.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on January 13, 2010, 02:23:05 PM

I hope You know russian language?

Это так удивительно , что Вы являетесь родственником Дмитрия .
Ведь о нём так мало информации , а узнать о нём очень хочется побольше .
Хоть  истории любви Дмитрия к Татьяне Николаевне уже почти 100 лет , но она трогает наши души до сих пор !
Несколько месяцев назад я сделала клип об этой любви  .Вот ссылка на него
 Grand Duchess Tatiana  and Dmitri Malama .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHm3uL4NxYo

Жаль , что тогда у меня не было этой новой фотографии .
Ещё раз , огромное Вам спасибо от всех участников нашего форума !


Дорогая о Господѣ Татьяна,

Низко Вамъ кланяюсь за столь теплое отношеніе къ памяти воина Димитрія и трудамъ по клипу. Дмитрій Яковлевичъ задалъ намъ высокую планку своимъ отношеніемъ къ Россіи, долгу и близкимъ людямъ. Большое спасибо всѣмъ форумчанамъ за появившуюся  возможность показать сыновьямъ неизвѣстныя намъ ранѣе фото Д.Я.

I’m just curious: does anybody know what uniform Dmitri is wearing on the picture where he is sitting? It looks different from that of the Pajeski corpous, and yet doesn’t seem to be an ulan uniform…

Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on January 13, 2010, 02:47:08 PM
Quote
I'm just curious: does anybody know what uniform Dmitri is wearing on the picture where he is sitting? It looks different from that of the Pajeski corpous, and yet doesn't seem to be an ulan uniform ...
Nicolá will know! lol!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on January 13, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
Dear Michael, if you mean this photo, then this is no doubt military uniform of a Page Corps.

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7137/malamadimitri5if.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/malamadimitri5if.jpg/)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on January 14, 2010, 01:09:42 AM
Well, since the uniform on the photo where Dmitrij is standing is for sure that of the Page Corps, how one could explain the difference between the two? Is the one you refer to a field uniform?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on January 14, 2010, 04:42:12 PM
Well, since the uniform on the photo where Dmitrij is standing is for sure that of the Page Corps, how one could explain the difference between the two? Is the one you refer to a field uniform?

To be honest with you I do not know exactly (I'm not an expert of the military uniform from different military institutions;)), but I think you are right, when we are talking about the photo where Dmitry standing. I also think as you, that this is kind of more ceremonial uniform.

Michael, if you are interested in this case, here is a link to Columbia University Library with intersting photos and information about Imperial Corps of Pages.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eresources/exhibitions/pages/html/The.html
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: RHB on January 29, 2010, 04:06:44 AM
Does anyone know what year it was that Malama came to the hospital after he was wounded... like what year did Tatiana meet him in the hospital?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: nena on January 29, 2010, 06:16:06 AM
I guess he came to the hospital in 1914/1915. I am absolutely correct, am I?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Kalafrana on January 29, 2010, 06:22:16 AM
'Well, since the uniform on the photo where Dmitrij is standing is for sure that of the Page Corps, how one could explain the difference between the two? Is the one you refer to a field uniform?'

In the standing picture, Dimitri Malama is wearing the uniform of a kammer-page, i.e. a final year student attached to a member of the Imperial Family. In the seated picture he is, I think, rather younger and wearing the uniform of an 'ordinary' member of the Corps des Pages.

Ann
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on March 14, 2010, 12:30:36 PM

In the standing picture, Dimitri Malama is wearing the uniform of a kammer-page, i.e. a final year student attached to a member of the Imperial Family. In the seated picture he is, I think, rather younger and wearing the uniform of an 'ordinary' member of the Corps des Pages.

It turned out to be an excellent shot. I found an illustrated album of the Russian Army uniforms as of Apr. 1911 (published in 1911). According to this album, on the seated picture he is wearing a uniform of the fresh-grade Corps. The main difference of this uniform is absence of the Czar's monogram on epaulets. The standing photo shows indeed the court uniform of kammer-page. If they were all attached to members of Imperial Family, is there information to whom was attached Dimitrij?
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on July 24, 2011, 06:34:58 PM
This photo is made in the same day and this is Dmitriy Malama in the chair



(http://i013.radikal.ru/1107/26/f638e6717947t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i013.radikal.ru/1107/26/f638e6717947.jpg.html)

(http://i025.radikal.ru/1107/db/943b7a581bfat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i025.radikal.ru/1107/db/943b7a581bfa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: blessOTMA on July 25, 2011, 10:58:17 PM
Indeed ...it helps that  everone around  them are the same in each pohot too. Alix is taking the photo.  Olga is getting a chair on the porch :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Sunny on July 26, 2011, 12:48:20 AM
Tatiana i had never seen the first one!! Thanks you sooo much!  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Rdr. Michael Malama on March 11, 2013, 11:25:07 AM
This photo is made in the same day and this is Dmitriy Malama in the chair




Would you please provide references, if possible, to the source (-s) of the photo on the bed and other ones? One old lady is writing an article about Dmitrij and needs this information. Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on May 26, 2013, 03:43:24 PM
Look at this photo.
Isn't the officer sitting between Olga and Tatiana , Dimitry Malama ?


(http://i068.radikal.ru/1305/7d/6d53a686e777t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i068.radikal.ru/1305/7d/6d53a686e777.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 26, 2013, 09:48:18 PM
I think it's a different man, but I could be wrong. I know next to nothing about DM, so I'm just going by comparing it with photos we know are of him.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: matushka on May 28, 2013, 05:10:55 AM
I don't think it is Malama. In this picture we can see Shakh-Bagov, it is the second part of 1915, approximativly. Malama had already left the lazaret for a long while.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Antonina on May 28, 2013, 10:08:51 PM
No, I think it's not him. Here we see another TN's suitor - Vladimir Kiknadze (rightmost down) and agree with matushka, it's too late for Malama.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Dev on September 03, 2014, 04:36:47 PM
Would anyone happen to have a copy of De Malama, Peter, The Romanovs: The Forgotten Romance, in Royalty Digest: A Journal of Record, December 2004

thank you, please, much appreciated !
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: TimM on October 07, 2014, 07:21:48 AM
Wish I could help you, Devon, but I don't have it.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: nena on November 23, 2016, 05:06:59 AM
Little update -  interesting fact - Ortipo was the name of Malama's regiment horse. ;)  And the French buldog was given the same name.
Tatiana carefully notes all Dmitrii Malama's days in the Lazaret in her diary and letters.
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Antonina on February 20, 2017, 02:43:29 AM
On this photo - not Malama, but Gruzdev.
(https://pp.vk.me/c637721/v637721027/3c2c7/zMs-Lquxym4.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 11, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Дмитрий Яковлевич Малама - штабс-ротмистр Лейб-Гвардии Уланского Ея Императорского Величества Александры Фёдоровны полка.

(http://s020.radikal.ru/i706/1703/03/fa5d63c810f1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/iqqfw0pyffj1k)

https://ok.ru/koniki/topic/66260817292102
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 22, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
Here's one photo of Tatiana with Malama:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/LanieD/tatianamalama.jpg)

There's another one with Tatiana and Olga inbetween Malama from a larger group at the hospital but I'm too lazy to go get it. ;)  From what I understand Tatiana named her dog Ortino because Malama's favorite horse was named Ortino!

Sorry , but on this photo is not Dmitry Malama  !
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 22, 2017, 12:13:22 PM
This photo is made in the same day and this is Dmitriy Malama in the chair



(http://i013.radikal.ru/1107/26/f638e6717947t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i013.radikal.ru/1107/26/f638e6717947.jpg.html)

(http://i025.radikal.ru/1107/db/943b7a581bfat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i025.radikal.ru/1107/db/943b7a581bfa.jpg.html)

Look at this photos

(http://s018.radikal.ru/i503/1703/a3/652638576e23t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/ae6elotax8q66)
(http://s009.radikal.ru/i308/1703/13/6d82bfbdd28ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/2cuy8c2c6nzlr)
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i723/1703/42/020827777b29t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/7akg7uzbhj2fw)

Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 22, 2017, 12:21:25 PM
Photos are taken in July 1916 .
Balcon was made in summer 1915.

(http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/1703/d3/16c39ad330bet.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/6wqfx5bax59lv)

https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/eavm/album/460701/view/1728790?page=57

Album of Olga 1916-1917 .

The man in the wheelchair is not Dmitry Malama.


Malama was in hospital    August  1914- November 1914 .
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on May 31, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
Dmitry Malama

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/56520/65347486.9/0_bdf6a_169a61d_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/778090)
Дмитрий Яковлевич Малама
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 28, 2017, 08:39:52 AM
This is photo of REAL Dmitriy Malama
Dmitriy Yakovlevich Malama (far left, 2nd row, behind H.R.H. Tatiana Nikolaevna) in the Royal Hospital, October  1914


 (https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/232875/65347486.9/0_bf361_5f336ccd_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783201?page=0)

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/366459/65347486.9/0_bf385_1ce49eed_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783237)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 28, 2017, 09:06:02 AM
Grand duchess Tatiana  and Dmitry Malama .
Dmitry is lying in the bed,( far left)


(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/373511/65347486.9/0_bf386_71e846e4_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783238)

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/217607/65347486.9/0_bf387_98b10719_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783239)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 28, 2017, 09:13:51 AM
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/206909/65347486.9/0_bf388_d8afd377_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783240)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/235925/65347486.9/0_bf389_354dbd70_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783241)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 28, 2017, 09:22:09 AM
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/249479/65347486.9/0_bf38a_47917e53_orig.jpg)
 (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783242)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/65347486.a/0_bf38b_7b7f3ae_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783243)
Title: Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 28, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Жданов , Эллис , Карангозов , Малама, Попов.

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/372432/65347486.a/0_bf38c_5b4d532e_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783244)

Эллис , Жданов , Михалевский , Карангозов , Малама.

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/767483/65347486.a/0_bf38d_cbeee29f_orig.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/tashusik2/album/222544/view/783245)