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Title: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on December 13, 2004, 04:16:49 AM

In the website  http://www.fbarnard.org.uk/greece/greek.htm

There are some photos of the Greek Royal Palaces (The old Palace, now Parliament, the New Palace, now Presidential Palace, and Tatoi, a summer residence, near Athens.



Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on December 13, 2004, 04:23:03 AM
This is the official website of the Greek Presidency, and there is a section on the New Royal Palace, with some small photos and something which looks like a plan.


http://www.presidency.gr/
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 28, 2004, 12:50:05 PM
For those in England,  at 7pm Channel 5 has a programme on about King Constantine - the King Who Lost His Throne [how terribly original of them]
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Martyn on December 29, 2004, 05:31:08 AM
I watched that.  I thought that he came over quite well - Ann-Marie seems lovely.
It was quite interesting to see Tatoi in the flesh, so to speak.  I missed a bit because my partner insisted on talking; did he receive financial compensation for Tatoi from the Greek govt?  Did he donate the money to something?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Sarah1872 on January 01, 2005, 09:18:09 AM
Here is a photo I found of Tatoi from 1941

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/my%20stuff/Tatoi.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Martyn on January 01, 2005, 10:36:56 AM
It doesn't look that large.  More like a villa than a palace...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2005, 11:18:18 AM
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It doesn't look that large.  More like a villa than a palace...


The palaces weren't large at all. Apparently when Sophie married Constantine, they had to farm out various royals and their suites in grand houses all over Athens.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Martyn on January 01, 2005, 11:26:25 AM
It has a nice look to it all the same.  Perhaps not architecturally showy, but a pleasant aspect for a country house....
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on January 01, 2005, 07:36:05 PM
The Nicholas Palace, home of Prince Nicholas and Grand Duchess Helen wladimirovna, remains standing in Athens and is owned by the Italian government and houses that country's embassy.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Martyn on January 02, 2005, 05:29:27 AM
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The Nicholas Palace, home of Prince Nicholas and Grand Duchess Helen wladimirovna, remains standing in Athens and is owned by the Italian government and houses that country's embassy.

Arturo Beéche


That's interesting.  Must see if there are images of it.  Thanks Arturo
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: jfkhaos on January 07, 2005, 06:01:21 PM
The Nicholas Palace, now the Italian Embassy in Athens:
(http://www.italianembassy.gr/images/embassy.gif)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Martyn on January 08, 2005, 03:40:07 AM
That is a very attractive building.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on March 06, 2005, 01:34:38 PM
that photo of tatoi is very out dated in freddie's book she talked about it saying it was badly dameged during WWII and was rebuillt it now looks nothing like the photo Tatoi is now a nature park the greek government said they had given it to the public but the eastait is out of bouns to the people an has been abandond for decades it has really been left to ruit it looks sad to see it now. the had other palaces the first was built for king othon and is now the greek parlement ( it has not been used as a palace since othon). the royal palace in Athens is now the presedents residence. paul and freddie had a villa in psyciko i (think thats the name) it is now the italian embasy there was a hunting lodge some were also. they had a holiday home called Mon ripos on corfu which the major asked the islanders to storm it in 1994 most of its contence was stollen its now a musem. Freddie had to villas buillt for her one on rodes the other on zante she allso asked the government for and was given a monastrie some were.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 07, 2005, 08:59:48 AM
The Nicholas Palace was built for Helen and Nicholas as a present from Tsar Nicholas II.  after the family left Greece in 1917 it was rented out to a hotel as an annex and then later on the fmaily reoccupied it, eventually selling it to the Italian government.  I was there last june and it is in great condition.

Tatoi is in high state of disrepair, sadly.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on March 07, 2005, 10:19:22 AM
oh yes the nickolaos palace thats what i ment i dont no what has become psyciko now
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: jfkhaos on March 09, 2005, 01:13:12 PM
What kind of state is Mon Repos in?  I can't remember even seeing a picture of this home once.  Wasn't Prince Phillip born there, and are the current exiled Greek Royal Family allowed any kind of preservation with these estates?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 01:15:45 PM
Not faring much better either...it is all quite sad that these properties are not exploited for their historial value.

But then again modern Greeks are so careless about their historical ruins...people like me, perhaps, who have found a special place in our hearts for Greece can become quite despondent when there.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: jfkhaos on March 09, 2005, 01:23:12 PM
Do the Greeks even maintain the graves of King George I going down to Frederica and Paul?  Or are these allowed to lapse as well?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TampaBay on March 09, 2005, 01:49:30 PM
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Not faring much better either...it is all quite sad that these properties are not exploited for their historial value.

But then again modern Greeks are so careless about their historical ruins...people like me, perhaps, who have found a special place in our hearts for Greece can become quite despondent when there.

Arturo Beéche


Do the Greeks not understand the meaning of tourism?

Opening up Buck House to the public was one of the best decisions QEII ever made.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 02:44:51 PM
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Do the Greeks even maintain the graves of King George I going down to Frederica and Paul?  Or are these allowed to lapse as well?


The private cemetery at Tatoï is not in very good shape.  I snuck in several years ago, sicne it is not open to the public, but was caught up two nasty guards who summarily threw me out!  :-[

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 02:46:43 PM
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Do the Greeks not understand the meaning of tourism?

Opening up Buck House to the public was one of the best decisions QEII ever made.

TampaBay


The problem is that there concept of cleanliness is quite different from the rest of Europe and many sites are not kept as clean as they should...then again there are so many historical areas in Greece that it takes a huge budget to get them all up to par and with the huge debt left behind by the Olympiad last year...it further takes resources away from the royal ty-related structures.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TampaBay on March 09, 2005, 05:19:57 PM
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The Nicholas Palace was built for Helen and Nicholas as a present from Tsar Nicholas II.  after the family left Greece in 1917 it was rented out to a hotel as an annex and then later on the fmaily reoccupied it, eventually selling it to the Italian government.  I was there last june and it is in great condition.

Tatoi is in high state of disrepair, sadly.

Arturo Beéche


Asturo,

Why did Nicholas build a palace for Helen.  It is my understanding AF and Nicholas II did not like or care for Michen & Vladimir?  If you don't like your Aunt & Uncle why would you build a palace for their daughter?

Was this just something that the Tsar (whoever was Tsar at the time)  did for all grand dukes & duchesses at the time of their marriage?

TampaBay

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 06:01:32 PM
Maria Feodorovna and Maria Pavlovna were social rivals.  Nicholas II was in awe of his father's brothers.  Nicholas of Greece was very close to Nicholas II as well as a first cousin of the Tsar; while also a favored nephew to the Dowager Empress...and to boot, Helene Wladimirovna also happened to be a first cousin of Nicholas II.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Marc on March 10, 2005, 07:13:50 PM
I was watching some TV documentary about Nicholaos Palace and what I saw was great !I mean everything inside the palace was not grandious,but with such delicate taste!They also mentioned polititian Venizelos had something to do with the Nicolaos house but don't remember anymore!Sombody knows something about this or I just made it in my head?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: ilias_gr on March 13, 2005, 08:44:10 AM
As for the palaces ....kingship was far from popular here in greece...unfortunately.
After the military coup in the 60's there was a plebiscite by the generals to keep or not keep the king and a huge majority chose not to keep 'em.My parents remember that day.
So no wonder why the palaces are in such a poor state-exept the two major ones anyway
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Reaper_the_pure on April 16, 2005, 12:55:54 PM
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Do the Greeks not understand the meaning of tourism?
TampaBay

 They may have come across the word once or twice ;)

Achillion Palace built by queen sissy of austria...

(http://www.corfunext.com/images/achillion01.jpg)


(http://www.corfunext.com/images/achillion02.jpg)

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:12:15 AM
Other pics of Tatoi from the website:

http://www.pbase.com/dead_poet/tatoi_estate



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/Statueintheyard.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:13:06 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/Staircaseandstatue.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:13:45 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/PoolviewN.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:14:58 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/Policestation.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:15:44 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/Outpost.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/woods.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on May 28, 2005, 06:22:07 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/Tatoi_001.jpg)


Can anyone translate into english this title? It seems to be a book.

Is there any greek (or not) who knows more about Tatoi?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: grandduchessella on May 28, 2005, 10:56:29 AM
There were some photos of Queen Sophia of Spain visiting the cemetary and I think Tatoi on a trip there. It must've made her so sad to see the state they're in.

As for tourism--perhaps they don't think it's worth it to restore them? The British monarchy has tremendous interest today as do the Russian and French former monarchies so it makes good sense to keep those palaces and personal items in good shape. I don't know if the Greek royals have that same interest for the general tourism crowd. They were always rather poor by royal standards (save for what Olga brought in terms of jewels) so there also wouldn't be the 'ooh' 'aahh' factor.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: ipflo on May 28, 2005, 01:02:21 PM
The title of the book translated to English means:

the chronology of Tatoi/ history of Tatoi

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Balkaneer on June 01, 2005, 12:53:08 AM
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In the website  http://www.fbarnard.org.uk/greece/greek.htm

There are some photos of the Greek Royal Palaces (The old Palace, now Parliament, the New Palace, now Presidential Palace, and Tatoi, a summer residence, near Athens.


The website owner needs to do some basic geographical homework.  They have nice photos, and I don't want to be rude, but the Chapel of St. George on Mt. Lykabettos  overlooking the city is an Orthodox chapel, not a "[Roman] Catholic chapel."
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 01, 2005, 03:26:19 AM
Dont' think Tatoi is very much similar to the Farm of Peterhof?


Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 01, 2005, 11:27:01 AM

Actually, I believe Queen Olga specifically used the design of the Peterhof farm as the basis for Tatoi.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 01, 2005, 02:24:14 PM
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Actually, I believe Queen Olga specifically used the design of the Peterhof farm as the basis for Tatoi.


I had another theory but yours is much better than mine. Thanks you opened my eyes.

I had thought that King George had seen the Farm during a visit he could have paid to his sister Dagmar, as she went to Russia in 1866 and Tatoi was built after.

Anyway Queen Olga must have loved the Farm a lot if she asked architect Ziller to make a copy of it...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 01, 2005, 03:09:34 PM
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Here is a photo I found of Tatoi from 1941

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/my%20stuff/Tatoi.jpg)



To me, this must be a misunderstanding, as it can't be Tatoi, or at least not the main palace.

The palace is completely different but also the place, Tatoi has hills and woods.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 02, 2005, 10:06:23 AM
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To me, this must be a misunderstanding, as it can't be Tatoi, or at least not the main palace.

The palace is completely different but also the place, Tatoi has hills and woods.


This may be a picture of the military base also located at Tatoi
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 02, 2005, 01:35:45 PM
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This may be a picture of the military base also located at Tatoi


That's also what I think.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 07, 2005, 07:02:49 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/pkg_ae_d-a-10.jpg)

This is what the old Royal Palace (now Parliament, Voulì) was like.

Aren't there images of its interiors, before the fire?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TJ Jones on June 07, 2005, 08:57:22 AM
Wow, the Royal Palace was very beautiful...what happened?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on June 07, 2005, 01:55:42 PM
Mon Repos



http://www.travel-to-corfu.com/place.php?place_id=33 (http://www.travel-to-corfu.com/place.php?place_id=33)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TJ Jones on June 07, 2005, 07:28:07 PM
In that painting the Royal palace looks very beautiful and exquisitely detailed and unique. In the pictures of how the palace looks today it looks like a big worn pink box. The palace in that painting looks very Greek why doesn't the palace no longer look that way? What happened to it?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TampaBay on June 07, 2005, 08:23:32 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Greece/pkg_ae_d-a-10.jpg)

This is what the old Royal Palace (now Parliament, Voulì) was like.

Aren't there images of its interiors, before the fire?


What happened to this palace.  Is this the palace that Prince Christopher said had only one bathroom?

TampaBay


Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TJ Jones on June 07, 2005, 09:05:26 PM
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What happened to this palace.  Is this the palace that Prince Christopher said had only one bathroom?

TampaBay




The picture above is the current Greek Parliment building, they are the same. Thats why im wondering what happened to it, back then it was so pretty and Greek looking.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Lord_Arthur on August 24, 2005, 03:58:11 PM
any more info and pics of tatoi?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Wettin on August 28, 2005, 01:23:41 PM
Perhaps I´m only imagining things but I can recall that about  one or two years ago I read that (ex)King Constantin II and his sister princess Irene had won a lawsuit against the Greek state at the court of the European Union in Strassbourg and that the Greek state as restitution for the confiscation of the private property of the two were to pay them about 12 million euros, mostly to the (ex)king. Before the court decision the Greek state had already returned china, silver cutlery, some furniture (eg an 18th century Danish chest of drawers which was a wedding gift) etc.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on November 18, 2005, 06:39:27 PM
I read in the newspaper today that the Greek government has decided to restore the royal compound at Tatoi.  Now, would that not be a treat!!!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2005, 08:50:57 AM
Too bad...Now it is going to be revitalized. I wonder what would Ex-King Cinstantine II think ? :)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 21, 2005, 11:39:27 AM
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I read in the newspaper today that the Greek government has decided to restore the royal compound at Tatoi.  Now, would that not be a treat!!!

Arturo Beéche

Actually, the Culture Minister was simply inspecting/touring the site.  Apparently a process of cataloguing/inspecting the various sites and the goods left behind by the royal family.

A load of crap (pardon me if this insults anyone)!!!!!!!!
It will cost millions of Euros to fix the site.
And in my opinion, it would be irresponsible for the Greek government to spend millions on fixing buildings that are on the verge of collapse, and from asking the EU to fund it no less, when Greece has grave economic problems at the present, and money should be spent on improving the economy and for instance, giving a heating stipend to poor families who can't afford gas prices this year to fuel their homes.

Now don't get me wrong, I am a Greek monarchist to the bones!  However, it is hyprocritical, in my opinion, to all of a sudden decide to "restore" Tatoi.  
Please, they have had the land/property for 10 years now, and have done nothing to improve it, with the excuse that the issue was in the courts still.
Non-sense.  It would have been less expensive to have just handed over the properties to Constantine, which will be another extreme financial burden placed upon the Greek populace!  But no, god forbid the Greeks actually use their stubborn heads for some moderation and compromise.

This "inspection", will be followed by more "inspections" and in 30 years, nothing will have been done to restore Tatoi, and the buildings by then will have definitely collapse, and an advantageous initiative to exhibit modern greek history, will again, be lost.

Not to mention that the EU will fund the project, the money will go to the wrong hands, and then the EU will ask for the money back!  Trust me, I know how my fellow countrymen work.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on November 21, 2005, 05:08:36 PM
in a measure of understanding queen frederika said she had a painting which was painted for her by a Yugoslav communist and a bust of a lebanese philosopher which were left befind in tatoi i wounder if there still there?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: romios on November 21, 2005, 06:18:09 PM
Iskenderbey,
I have only one thing to say about your ramblings.


        THEY ARE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE!!!!
             

This is just a ruse to draw attention away from other issues that our so called compatriots have.
Give the King what is the King's.They steal his property,rescind his citizenship,abuse the memory of his ancestors and then have the gall to claim that because his family has only been Greeks since the 1860's that they are not Greek at all.
To hell with them(sorry 'bout the language I'm angry!)all they are interested in is in lining their own pockets and making a mockery of the last 200 odd years of Greek nationhood so that they can bask in their own self importance and tell the rest of the world look at what we have done for Greece.
Anyway they are my ramblings!
P.s Any one see Australia qualify for the world cup in soccer? It was great!

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on November 29, 2005, 11:24:31 AM
Tatoi from the satellite.



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Immag3.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Jackswife on November 30, 2005, 06:16:04 AM
 It's always so sad to see how Tatoi has deteriorated. :( I wonder if there could be such a thing as a public fund-raising effort to raise money for the restoration and repairs.  There was something similar done years ago for the Statue of Liberty-also companies and businesses as well as individuals could contribute to the fund. Anyone who chose to could give to the fund, and not all of the burden would be borne by the government.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on December 13, 2005, 03:26:20 PM
Most people know of the more important Greek Royal Residences (Royal Palace, Tatoi, Mon Repos). However, I am wondering if anyone knows anything of the following estates:

1) Polydendri (Literaly in Greek "Many Trees") I know that it is near the base of Mt. Olympus, it consists of (or originaly consisted of) 33,600,000 square meters of land. It was originaly bought by H.M. Constantine I.

2) Kifissia: This is one of the fashionable suburbs of Athens and one of the Prince's had a residence there. That is all I ever heard about it.

3) Psychico: Another suburb of Athens. Crown Prince Pavlos and Crown Princess Frederica moved in here shortly after their marriage and she came to live here after H.M. Pavlos' death. I know that before they moved in, a sitting room had to be added on the second floor for Frederica and that is was supposed to have a beautiful garden.

Does anyone have any information on these residences or possibly pictures. If you know of any other lesser known residences, I would be extremely grateful. Thank You!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on December 13, 2005, 03:55:56 PM
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Here is a photo I found of Tatoi from 1941

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/my%20stuff/Tatoi.jpg)


Could this possibly be the Villa at Polydendri because I am positive that it is not Tatoi.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on December 18, 2005, 11:25:36 AM
Here a view of Tatoi December 1959?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/AL0019671.jpg)

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on December 18, 2005, 11:26:54 AM
Queen Sofia at the former Royal Palace in Athina late 1990's

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/0000342297-0041.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Prince_Christopher on December 18, 2005, 08:11:34 PM
Is one of these palaces the "New Palace"?

There is also the Nicholas Palace....

Does anyone have floorplans of any of these palaces to post?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on December 20, 2005, 06:48:01 AM
 I think that Polydendri was named by the confiscators"ROYAL PROPERTY"and cofiscated few years ago.

 
I think that the other two residences(Psychiko and Kifissia) are personal property of my King and  of Members of the GRF
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on December 20, 2005, 07:07:03 AM
Tatoi  is HERITAGE,Tatoi is  their STATE'S HISTORY,and finally Tatoi is  a Future "Industry" that many people will be employed and raise their families! If that will be understood,then Greeks will RESTORE IT within two weeks!!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Frederika on December 21, 2005, 11:04:31 AM
I think the last one is of Mon Repos which has been restored now.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 22, 2005, 01:52:09 PM
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Most people know of the more important Greek Royal Residences (Royal Palace, Tatoi, Mon Repos). However, I am wondering if anyone knows anything of the following estates:

1) Polydendri (Literaly in Greek "Many Trees")

2) Kifissia:

3) Psychico:

Does anyone have any information on these residences or possibly pictures. If you know of any other lesser known residences, I would be extremely grateful. Thank You!


Polydendri was simply land, and no home was ever built on it, as far as I can tell.  It was part of the settlement dispute that the King brought against the greek gov't in the ECHR.

Kiffissia: As to my knowledge, no specific home existed in Kifissia, and if it was, it was probably a rented home for a member of the royal family or owned by the government.  Though, it is said that before he came to the throne, King Alexander wanted to buy the Syngrou estate which was at that time located in Kifissia and become a "gentry farmer".

Psychico:  House of then Crown Prince Paul, I believe to have been government property.  It was used by now Queen Sophie when she married King Juan Carlos, for them to use while in Greece, and then upon the death of King Paul, used by Frederika and Princess Irene.
It is now, I believe, in private hands.

Nicholas Palace:  Present day Italian Embassy, built by the last tsar, Nicholas II, as a gift to his cousin, Grand Duchess Elena of Russia.  It was sold, I believe, after the restoration of the monarchy in 35, due to the fact that the couple only had daughters, and thus would not be used by a future member of the royal family. (all their daughters married outside of Greece).  

Kolonaki: Very fashionable suburb within Athens (at the foot of the Lycabbetus mountain), where Princess Alice lived on Patriarch Ioakeim street.  I believe Princess Helen lived with Alice during the German occupation at this house.  (The only two royals who remained in Greece during the occupation).  I do not know what happened to the house after Princess Alice died, though I believe Prince Philip was the owner.

Petali: Summer residence on the peloponese of the Royal Family before Mon Repos in Corfu was made suitable in the 1950s.  


Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 22, 2005, 01:58:41 PM
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Tatoi  is HERITAGE,Tatoi is  their STATE'S HISTORY,and finally Tatoi is  a Future "Industry" that many people will be employed and raise their families! If that will be understood,then Greeks will RESTORE IT within two weeks!!


HA! There is an old greek proverb:
At the deaf man's door, knock as much as you want!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on December 23, 2005, 12:41:47 PM
Wise proverb,wiser are we!!My answer is:

"Keep knocking, until the deafman will open the door,for reason other than your knocking!

  Then if the deafman, is not blind too,he'will understand  what  is all about and will be with you!

 Past,is common for deafmen and others! ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on December 23, 2005, 12:54:47 PM
Are you sure that Petali is in Peloponese??? :-/
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 27, 2005, 09:30:08 AM
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Are you sure that Petali is in Peloponese??? :-/


You are right. Petali iis a small island off the coast of Euboia island, which I was confusing with another summer residence that the Royal Family used on the Peloponese, which was somewhere between Patras and Amaliada.  
From what I understand, Petali was a private island that was rented or lent to the Royal family for summer holidays in the early 1950s, and used until Mon Repos was refurbished, which also coincided with Tito's visit to Greece in the early 1950s.

REgards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on January 02, 2006, 10:07:15 PM
The Nicholas Palace is the Italian Embassy in Athens.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on January 03, 2006, 09:43:37 AM
Quote

You are right. Petali iis a small island off the coast of Euboia island, which I was confusing with another summer residence that the Royal Family used on the Peloponese, which was somewhere between Patras and Amaliada.  
From what I understand, Petali was a private island that was rented or lent to the Royal family for summer holidays in the early 1950s, and used until Mon Repos was refurbished, which also coincided with Tito's visit to Greece in the early 1950s.

REgards



No, Ithink that Petalioi are near Othoni
:D
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on January 04, 2006, 10:45:31 AM
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 No, Ithink that Petalioi are near Othoni
 :D


From my internet search, Petali is off the coast of Euboia.

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on January 05, 2006, 07:09:19 AM
 ; You are right!Iam the one who is 1000 km wrong!I thought it was acomplex of Islands between Greece  and Italy.... :-/  :-[
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on January 29, 2006, 02:35:54 PM
Does anyone have any information or pictures of Vill Sparta where the Greek Royal Family stayed  during one of their exiles. The only information I have on it is from the book No Ordinary Crown a biography of King Paul of the Hellenes. It says that the villa was located in Fiesole in the forest of San Domenico on the hills overlooking Florence and Queen Sophia fell in love with it. She is quoted as saying "If we had to stay here permanently, that is where I should like to live". It is a 15th century villa built by the Frescobaldi family who it was originaly named after and was at the time owned by an American named Wilkins. There were 20 acres of ground with three small cottages. Her Majesty was happy when Princess Eleni (Queen Helen of Romania) informed her that she planned to buy the estate. However, Her Majesty was sick and died soon after. Princess Eleni (Queen Helen whichever you prefer) didn't want the house anymore but it is believed she bought it due to reasons of economy (her expulsion from Romania became permenant and King Carol would only supply her with funds if she went to live abroad) so she decided that with her sisters Princesses Irini and Katherine and Prince Paul that the Villa would become the family home. Prince Michael of Romania also came here to visit his mother every six months.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on January 29, 2006, 02:40:59 PM
Villa Anastasia: Prince Christoper wanted to create a home for his mother in Rome where the climate would suit her. He named the house in honor of his late wife.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: James_Davidov on February 17, 2006, 10:16:16 PM
I was watching Australian SBS Greek news this morning and saw footage of Tatoi...I dont speak Greek and couldn't find my dad, who's Greek, so I cant say what they were reporting on, however it must have been something important regarding the estate since its an internationally aired Greek news program.

James
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on February 23, 2006, 04:23:36 PM
 ;D Good news!!I've heard that the Greek minister of economics ,has releasead the fund for the restoration of Tatoi,characterizing it" cultural center".It was on MEGA channel news last week!!

 The most beautifull ,elegant,monument of Newgreece's History ,will be shine again...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2006, 08:22:31 PM
I hope it will be turned into a museum.  ;D
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: roimat on February 24, 2006, 08:11:28 AM
I don´t think greek politicians realy wand Tatoi to be restored. They´ve learn to hate their history,because they don´t like monarchy. I´m a greek royalist and i´ve been to Tatoi several times, even at February 6th, when a comemorasion service was fiven there for the 25th aniverasarry of the death of Quenn Frederica.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on February 24, 2006, 01:26:47 PM
I am interested in finding out the number of rooms of any of the Royal Residences. If anyone has any information please post it.

*Old Royal Palace (Current Parliament Building)- 365 rooms as of 1863

*New Royal Palace (Crown Prince's Palace/ Presidential Residence)

*Villa Mon Repos (Corfu)

*Tatoi (countryside outside Athens)

*Psychico (Athens)

Feel free to add more of residences
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on March 03, 2006, 06:25:28 AM
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I don´t think greek politicians realy wand Tatoi to be restored. They´ve learn to hate their history,because they don´t like monarchy. I´m a greek royalist and i´ve been to Tatoi several times, even at February 6th, when a comemorasion service was fiven there for the 25th aniverasarry of the death of Quenn Frederica.


:-[ How was it???
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: roimat on March 03, 2006, 07:32:29 AM
Well,it was very very cold,actually,because it was snowing!!!It was a family gathering, with all the Greek Royal Family present and Quenn Sofia of Spain,her sister Irini, prince Felipe, princess Letizia and both the Infantas!There were also former workers at the Tatoi Palace and former officers. It was very nice!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on March 03, 2006, 05:37:43 PM
Is it true that they need a special permition to go to the Royal graves??
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: roimat on March 15, 2006, 10:42:28 AM
No,there is no permition needed for that!Thanks god, the Greek politicians may be what they are...but they respect a man that wants to go to his mother and father graves. King Constantine goes to the graves of his ancestors free, and he is treated well by the police force which is there.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on March 15, 2006, 12:49:42 PM
 :)Thank God!!!!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Parisa on May 21, 2006, 07:20:42 AM
That's terrible!!!  >:( I wonder if their tip was founded at all??

Is Tatoi a museum or an empty looted place? I would love to go there one day, but i think i remember reading on this forum somewhere that no body's allowed inside...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Parisa on May 21, 2006, 07:22:18 AM
(I mean is Tatoi a museum now I know what it is).
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 21, 2006, 08:43:28 AM
Very interesting....

I wonder if there is actually any treasure buried there?  As many times as the Royal Family had to flee, it seems possible.  And one of the suspects was an officer there, maybe he had inside information....
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 22, 2006, 09:43:47 AM
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(I mean is Tatoi a museum now I know what it is).

Tatoi is in a state of utter and total disrepair.  If you google Tatoi you will see recent pictures on different sites.

The government is planning various things on the land.  Turning the main house into a guest house for foreign VIPS, museums, and different cultural parks, etc.

If that happens, may I change my name to Ataxerxes!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Joanna on June 04, 2006, 06:16:16 PM
My apologies if this has already been posted but it is my first time seeing an aerial view of Tatoi:

http://www.iforce.gr/press_release/images/tatoi.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on June 08, 2006, 02:57:41 PM
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My apologies if this has already been posted but it is my first time seeing an aerial view of Tatoi:

http://www.iforce.gr/press_release/images/tatoi.jpg

Joanna




Hah!The cover looks even better now!!I love the language that is written, and the photos inside...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Nicistratos on June 08, 2006, 03:18:32 PM
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Very interesting....

I wonder if there is actually any treasure buried there?  As many times as the Royal Family had to flee, it seems possible.  And one of the suspects was an officer there, maybe he had inside information....



  Well,they've heard wrong!!!The treasure was LIVING there!!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on September 05, 2006, 05:47:49 PM
Part I:

My friends, today, I am happy to announce that my dream of a lifetime was finally fullfilled!
I finally found and visited Tatoi today, the royal palace of the Greek royal family.
I just had to come online and share my experience.  It was unforgettable.

When I get back to the US Ill try to write about my experience, and post my photos.

All  I can say is,,it was unbelievable!

Regards to all
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: amelia on September 05, 2006, 06:04:44 PM
Thank you so much, and yes, we will be looking forward to the photographs.  Did you find it very delapidated? What is it now, a museum?

Amelia
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on September 17, 2006, 12:29:59 PM
Part I:

My friends, today, I am happy to announce that my dream of a lifetime was finally fullfilled!
I finally found and visited Tatoi today, the royal palace of the Greek royal family.
I just had to come online and share my experience.  It was unforgettable.

When I get back to the US Ill try to write about my experience, and post my photos.

All  I can say is,,it was unbelievable!

Regards to all

Oh, I cannot wait anymore! ;)

Please get back soon
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ada on October 02, 2006, 11:33:59 AM
I too would love to see these photos!  My question is: where is the royal cemetery in relation to the palace?  Is it possible for people to visit the graves of Queen Sophie etc.? 
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: AKIOU on October 11, 2006, 04:37:52 AM
I found this relatively recent article (in Greek - 15/11/05) that has photos of the Tatoi grounds as they are today. Apparently the Greek Ministry of Culture is trying to find the funds to fully restore the gounds, which are currently in a sorry state.

AKIOU
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: AKIOU on October 11, 2006, 04:55:35 AM
I do not think that it is possible for a visitor to visit the summer palace of Tatoi as as far as I know they is restoration work going on and they are still cataloguing what was found inside.

To compensate here is another site with a few pictures from Tatoi:

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/Attica/Attiki/Tatoi

AKIOU
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on October 11, 2006, 01:27:13 PM
thanks so much for this link!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on October 14, 2006, 01:32:44 AM
I do not think that it is possible for a visitor to visit the summer palace of Tatoi as as far as I know they is restoration work going on and they are still cataloguing what was found inside.

To compensate here is another site with a few pictures from Tatoi:

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/Attica/Attiki/Tatoi

AKIOU

Sorry for my delay, but ever since I got back from my trip to Greece I have been trying to settle into a new job and various other personal matters.

I personally visited Tatoi twice in September, and I was not the only visitor, as there are many bicyclists roaming around as well as hikers/walkers.
Secondly, as far as I could tell, there was no restoration work going on.  If there was any, it probably lasted 2 weeks,in classical greek fashion.
Will post my personal pics this weekend,
thanks
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Clemence on October 14, 2006, 05:20:33 PM
Hi, I visited Tatoi for the very first time last May. No works seen, all buildings were in a total mess. Found particularly interesting the swimming-pool in the back of the main house. Nature is so very beautiful also.

There's something I want to ask. Some years ago, there was an article in a greek magazine about Tatoi. Thought there was something said anout an underground corridor connecting two buildings there and there was also a foto of it, semi-destroyed from water. But when I was there and talked about it to one of the ''guardians'' he loughed at me and said surely he would have heard of it, but never did. Does any of you ever heard of it?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on October 18, 2006, 04:07:31 PM
Hi, I visited Tatoi for the very first time last May. No works seen, all buildings were in a total mess. Found particularly interesting the swimming-pool in the back of the main house. Nature is so very beautiful also.

There's something I want to ask. Some years ago, there was an article in a greek magazine about Tatoi. Thought there was something said anout an underground corridor connecting two buildings there and there was also a foto of it, semi-destroyed from water. But when I was there and talked about it to one of the ''guardians'' he loughed at me and said surely he would have heard of it, but never did. Does any of you ever heard of it?


Clemence,

I bought a two-volume book in Greece, translated "Timeline of Tatoi", a work chronolizing the history of Tatoi up to the present day.
In this book, it mentions that there was in fact an underground passage between the main palace and the kitchens, which are right across from it.  Apparently some looters got in through the kitchen and got into the palace via this underground passage.

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Clemence on October 19, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
Thank you very much. Would it be too much to ask for the title of the book in Greek? I am in Athens and I hope I can get it. Also, if there's anything you'd need from Athens, I'd be glad to be of help.

Francesca.

PS: After Acropolis, again I have a proof of how ignorant about the places they have to know well are some people in Greece. I'm even more ashamed  :(
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on October 21, 2006, 10:46:34 AM


I bought a two-volume book in Greece, translated "Timeline of Tatoi", a work chronolizing the history of Tatoi up to the present day.
In this book,

PLEASE, could you post something? Photos, plans infos. Everything is wellcome! :)

And what about your impressions, your photos etc, etc.

Thanks so much in advance

Gleb
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on October 23, 2006, 02:57:58 PM
Thank you very much. Would it be too much to ask for the title of the book in Greek? I am in Athens and I hope I can get it. Also, if there's anything you'd need from Athens, I'd be glad to be of help.

Francesca.

PS: After Acropolis, again I have a proof of how ignorant about the places they have to know well are some people in Greece. I'm even more ashamed  :(

Book is XPONIKO TOY TATOIOY, check with Leader Books.  Among the branches I know about, they have one in the area of Kipseli (where I bought mine, on Fokionos Negri street), and also at Agia Paraskevi (Agiou Ioannou Street).  It is quite pricey though, 150 Euro, but worth it if you can afford  it.

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Clemence on October 23, 2006, 05:04:26 PM
Thank you )))
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Zanthia on November 14, 2006, 03:18:30 AM
I simply can't understand why the greek authorities just don't give it back to Constantine and Anne-Marie, since they obiviously can't decide what to do with it. It's a shame it just being allowed to fall apart.  >:(
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Svetabel on November 22, 2006, 08:00:46 AM
Photos of Tatoi by a Russian traveller.

http://alexbogd.livejournal.com/314594.html#cutid1 (http://alexbogd.livejournal.com/314594.html#cutid1)

http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/a/l/alexbogd/Tatoi.jpg (http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/a/l/alexbogd/Tatoi.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: roimat on December 03, 2006, 08:34:21 AM
Thank you so much, and yes, we will be looking forward to the photographs.  Did you find it very delapidated? What is it now, a museum?

Amelia


As i've been visiting Tatoi for over a decade, i have to say that eneryone who is interested,can visit also. You can visit the cemetary free, it is at about 2klm away from the Palace. Ofcourse, every building there is abandoned and the State isn't realy interested for anything that has to do with the Royal Family!Only last year they saw some interest to cound what is inside the Palace,but nothing is certain yet. As for the Palace,it is closed and visitors can only see it from outside.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Brent (Australia) on January 30, 2007, 01:44:55 AM
When the King was permitted to remove his possesions from Tatoi what "rules" did the Greek government apply? Was someone watching over his sholder the whole time? Was he allowed to take whatever he wanted? Did his family help him? How long did it take? Many thanks. Brent
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on January 30, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
When the King was permitted to remove his possesions from Tatoi what "rules" did the Greek government apply? Was someone watching over his sholder the whole time? Was he allowed to take whatever he wanted? Did his family help him? How long did it take? Many thanks. Brent

Actually no such thing...the Greek government sent the King containers to London...they were the ones picking and choosing!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on January 30, 2007, 10:03:22 AM
If I can add to what Arturo stated, I read somewhere that the King himself, on his own initiative, asked that officials from the Cultural Ministry be present when the containers were loaded, to make sure that there would be no future claims that he took items which didn't belong to him but to the Greek state.....foretelling, on his part, what he would later be accused of anyway.

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Brent (Australia) on January 31, 2007, 12:54:28 AM
Many thanks for the clarification. Was the residence in a  bad sate of repair in 1991 when the goods were sent to the King? How long did they spend packing everything, was lots packed,  and how did the King remenber what was there?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: James_Davidov on February 08, 2007, 07:50:32 PM
Tatoi should have been returned to CII, as it was a private estate, not settled with a pay out (Which as I understand it went mostly to charity on the good will of CII)

james
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2007, 08:24:42 PM
Is CII going to be buried there when his time comes ?  ???
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 12, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/12/AR2007061200708.html

Apparently for the 50 millionth time another Greek cultural minister is saying that Tatoi will be a museum...and the saga continues...somewhere on this board I am sure you will find a post of mine saying that this would never happen..plenty of guarantees,,but no actions...

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 12, 2007, 02:14:34 PM
A museum of or for what? Certainly not the monarchy, with the current government.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 12, 2007, 03:00:07 PM
A museum of or for what? Certainly not the monarchy, with the current government.

Yes a museum of the monarchy, containing all the personal items of the former royal family still remaining within the crumbling palace.  Mind you that the current government is right wing, and would pay mind to its more monarchist electorate with elections only a few months away...especially with the danger of a extreme right wing party electing members to parliament next year..

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 12, 2007, 05:51:24 PM
I am, gobsmacked! Considering all that has been sold and or taken away, what is there left to display?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 12, 2007, 06:07:32 PM
From what I understand there are still some objects of minimal intrisic value there.The whole reason why this issue has crept up again is for the fact that there is an election coming up and the current govt. is trying to shore up right wing votes.The serious point is how can you have a cultural museum  displaying objects of art when the goverment has systematically gone about destroying and denying the heritage and culture of Greece that this very building represents?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Mary R. on June 12, 2007, 06:59:52 PM
Seems very hypocritical!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 12, 2007, 07:44:24 PM
1.The Venizelists,enemies of the Greek Kings.
2.Mitsotakis,nephew of Eleftherios Venizelos.
3.Bakoyiannis niece and daughter of the Mitsotakis clan.
4.Karamanlis promised restoration of the Monarchy as a constituitional one.Never happened!
5.Pappandreow promised restoration of the monarchy.Never happened!
6.Referendum aknoweledged today to have been fake.True votes were not counted and fake ones were substituited!

All of the above have either been or are either President, Prime Minister or leader of the opposition in Greece sine before or after the crisis of 1964 except for Eleftherios Venizelos who was DA BOSS the 192o's which led to the then HRH Prince Andrew(father of HRH The Duke of Edimburgh) being almost executed by firing squad!

Anybody notice the trend?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2007, 07:52:15 PM
Thanks for pointing that out... ::)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eurohistory on June 13, 2007, 08:54:12 AM
Well I think  it is clear to many of us that Greek politicians are not paragons of virtue, not that many politicians are mind you, but the Greek ones tend to be immensely corrupt.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 13, 2007, 10:39:31 AM
Well I think  it is clear to many of us that Greek politicians are not paragons of virtue, not that many politicians are mind you, but the Greek ones tend to be immensely corrupt.

Arturo Beéche

Hello all,

Well, in all fairness, Constantine Mitsotakis and his daugther (though the latter in a more discreet manner) has always been a friend to the former King.  If he hadn't been forced into elections in 1993, he probably would have found a just solution with the former King.  After all, it was Mitsotakis who let Constantine take many valuables out in 1993.

Furthermore, there are many items still of value within Tatoi.  Constantine only took personal family items, not items such, paintings, icons, etc, which were part of the national property but on loan to the palace. 

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 13, 2007, 08:01:34 PM
Well...That means there are more to see...Good !  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 14, 2007, 02:54:20 AM
Some info!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Schism
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Lucien on June 15, 2007, 03:15:38 AM
Well I think  it is clear to many of us that Greek politicians are not paragons of virtue, not that many politicians are mind you, but the Greek ones tend to be immensely corrupt.

Arturo Beéche

An understatement really,they make former Worldbank president Wolfowitz look like an infant in their conduct in simular situations,to name but one.
 
From what I understand there are still some objects of minimal intrisic value there.The whole reason why this issue has crept up again is for the fact that there is an election coming up and the current govt. is trying to shore up right wing votes.The serious point is how can you have a cultural museum  displaying objects of art when the goverment has systematically gone about destroying and denying the heritage and culture of Greece that this very building represents?

And have been doing so for decades.

Avrio...once elections are over,nothing will come of it.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on June 15, 2007, 06:07:04 PM
It will be swept under the carpet and forgotten and they will move on to the next thing that they will be able to turn to their advantage!
The unfortunate thing is, is that this Royal Family were a unifying  focal point that most Greeks who could identify with and recognize as one of their own.And now,that they are not there they have been replaced by conmen and charlottans who blow with the wind depending on what is in their own best interests rather than the country's.
God help the Greeks!
God save our King!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2007, 05:57:55 AM
Hear hear !!!

God Save The King !  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: casey on October 08, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
Has anyone ran across any old or recent photos of the Psychiko estate?   I would love to get the feel of the royal residence.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2007, 08:39:22 PM
The question is when will it be ready.  :(
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: dmitri on October 08, 2007, 09:59:29 PM
There can be no doubt that the Greek Republic stole Tatoi from its owners. It was forced kicking and screaming into the European Court of Human Rights where it was shamed into paying the owners a small amount of money compared to its true worth. How very stupid the government behaved. As for the restoration I will believe it when I see it.   
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Michael II on October 09, 2007, 05:11:03 PM
Execellent pictures of the palace and cemetery.  Thank you for sharing the link.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 09, 2007, 06:55:36 PM
you are most welcome.
It is intereseting to hear Princess Katherine was buried at Tatoi only recenty( 1 OR 2 days ago, and that H.M attended.
llya post this on the Princess Katherine thread.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on October 24, 2007, 09:35:36 PM
You would think that if the Greek Government would open the Cemetery at Tatoi, I'm sure that many would love to have to honor to clean it up and would probably maintain it on their own devotion to the dynasty.  I know I would volunteer to do it weekly if i lived in Greece.  and the money that would come from Tourism...... I just don't understand it.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on October 24, 2007, 09:58:29 PM
I'm not 100 % sure but somewhere i read that H.M. King Paul donated Polydendri to the greek government sometime before he died. I'll have to go back and find the exact information tonight.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 24, 2007, 10:38:54 PM
My Dear Carlfrey,
You are not the only one who has had such thoughts.You would be surprised to know that there are many today who think of themselves as unofficial guardians of the property.Ever since the graves were descecrated 5/7 tears ago, the site has been visited reguarly by athenians to clean and maintain it. The standing police guard always seem to got to the little boys room when they see the car driving up!.
The Greek goverment, especially the thieves of the PASOK/Pappandrew regime, wanted nothing whatsoever to do with Tatoi, pretended it didn't exist, on the grounds that drawing attention to it would bring attention to the King.Today, things are slightly better, in that the goverment is more liberal in focus, and they understand the value of the tourism dollar.They will make grandiose sattements and promises about turning the site in to a "CULTURAL" museum, but God forbid returning it to its rightful owners, that might allow them to live there and we cant be having that now can we?.
Karamalis on his last visit to Australia told a friend of mine that half his members of Parliament are Royalists, so it will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two of his Goverment.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on October 24, 2007, 10:49:03 PM
i still don't understand the governments argument that Tatoi was Crown Property.  I was under the understanding that King George bought it with Personal/private income?  SO what was the reasoning for the Gov. to have seized it along w/the other property?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 24, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
There was nor reasoning, they stole it.They conveniently forgot it was bught with private funds.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: dmitri on October 25, 2007, 09:04:16 AM
Precisely. Successive Greek governments have had an irrational hatred of the former dynasty. It goes back a very long way. After the overthrow of the illegal military junta, the so-called democratic government refused to reinstate the monarchy and held a questionable referendum shortly afterwards not allowing the King to return to the country to present his side. Instead all he was allowed was to broadcast from London. Hardly the actions of a democratic state.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on October 25, 2007, 08:29:39 PM
In the "kings of Greece" it stated that King Christian IX demanded a stiped or appange for King George In case something happened and the Protecting Powers converted A loan to Money for King George, I wanna say 16,000 pounds/year, I'll have to go back and find the exact amount tonight after work, but my question is, since this was in case what happened (the Monarchy overthrown) are the protecting powers still paying this or infact did the still pay it after HM assination?

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 25, 2007, 10:16:18 PM
H.M will have ensured that no such information is available my friend.
The last thing  he needs is a topic like this.
They lost the lot when they were forced out of Greece, and he  has had to really on his own skills and the help of his family.
Nice point but leave it alone.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 25, 2007, 10:22:50 PM
And by the lot I mean even the ownership of the Graves of his ancestors.
God Save The King!
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Post by: Ilias_of_John on December 13, 2007, 03:34:47 PM
Thats like waving a red flag to a bull!
:)
You will be very busy Tatoi!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
I think that is a kind gesture. In the long run, the area should be opened as a tourist attraction and it will generate revenue for the government  ::)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Norbert on January 03, 2008, 12:44:00 AM
Republics like to remove Royal icons...hense the removal of the Tuilleries and selling the Crown Jewels in France.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on January 04, 2008, 12:44:52 PM
The House at Tatoi that is ina bad state of disrepair is originally Queen Olga's house correct?  does anyone have any pics of Tino & sophies house that burn down during the fire at Tatoi?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Tatoi on January 06, 2008, 05:06:58 AM
HI,
I COULD POST 3 PHOTOS OF THE PALACE THAT WAS BURN DOWN TOMORROW.

REGARDS
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: dmitri on January 06, 2008, 06:40:06 PM
What would be great would be to see photos of inside Tatoi while it was a royal palace.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Tatoi on January 07, 2008, 04:29:10 AM
Hello to all,
Here are 4 photos of the interior of the Royal Palace of Tatoi.
Follow the link:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f77/royal-palaces-houses-1366-6.html#post713203 (http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f77/royal-palaces-houses-1366-6.html#post713203)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: dmitri on January 07, 2008, 05:19:59 AM
It would appear these photos are not accessible for those who are not members of that particular forum.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Tatoi on January 07, 2008, 05:23:38 AM
Well the problem is that I cannot post photos to this forum. The managers do not allow it.

Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: gleb on January 18, 2008, 10:53:22 AM
Please, I am in a great confusion. :-[

How many palaces were there in Tatoi? I only knonw the long yellow building which is like the Ferma of Peterhof.

Where did Queen Federika use to live when she was a Dowger Queen?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on August 13, 2008, 03:09:37 AM
Does anyone have any pictures of the "Cottage??" not sure how big it was, but of the the residence that King Constantine I and Queen Sophia had built at Tatoi?  I know that it was destroyed in the Great Fire of july 14th, 1915.  According to John Van Der Kiste in the "Kings of the Hellenes" (pg. 97) "The kings house and most of the surrounding buildings had been burnt to the ground, and he was sitting in front of Queen Olga's house surrounded by furniture" and that Queen Olga's house had  been saved b/c it was surrounded by evergreens.

so....

1.) Are there any pics of TM Constantine and Sophie's residence? 

2.) If there are 40 something buildings now just rotting, how many were there before the great fire?

3.)  Anyone have any floor plans of the main house (Queen Olga's house)?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: carl fraley on August 13, 2008, 03:34:58 AM
I finally found it.... IN "Kings of the Hellenes" by Jon Van der Kiste (page 183) "He (HM King Paul) reproached Karamanlis for not having explained to Greek public opinion the need for increased royal revenue, for failing to protect the royal family by forestalling unjustified attacks in parliment and the press, and for not giving publicity to royal gestures of goodwill, such as his recent donation to the STate of his private estate at Polidhendri for development as an agricultural training college".
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Maybe in the Greek national archievs...
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: casey on October 15, 2008, 09:17:44 PM
Below is the Villa Psychiko which was Queen Frederika's home when she was Queen Mother.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3866372
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2008, 11:31:54 AM
Do the family still owns it ?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: casey on October 16, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
No!  I beleive this is one of the properties for which the royal family received compensation.
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Post by: Vasilya on November 29, 2008, 10:13:02 PM
New as of 28 November 2008

The Greek Government announced that it will set aside 800,000 Euros to begin restoration at Tatoi next year. An office is being set up on the site to accommodate renovation experts and signs will be put up leading to the estate.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100014_29/11/2008_102583
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2008, 02:00:23 PM
Good News !  :)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on November 30, 2008, 09:38:21 PM
It is good news that the buildings will be restored to some state of their original condition.
It would be even better news if the thieves who stole it returnedit to its rightful owner, the King.
Also, having seen the way Greeks renovate and build buildings, I hope the contract is given to a firm that actually has the skills and an idea of what it is actually doing!
I wonder what the tender conditions would be?
Perhaps a firm from outside of Greece will put in a bid?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on December 01, 2008, 09:25:06 PM
No!  I beleive this is one of the properties for which the royal family received compensation.

The Royal Family never owned the house in Psychiko. It was bought by the government before King Paul's marriage as the residence of the Crown Prince. Before the Crown Prince and Princess moved in a sitting room was put in on the second floor for Frederiki's private use and I believe I read that at one point after the fall of the monarchy it was used as a ballet studio.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2008, 09:25:30 AM
Really ? That is interesting.
Title: Greek Royal Family Graves At Tatoi
Post by: rgt9w on May 15, 2009, 07:24:24 PM
King George I:   http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8063511&PIgrid=8063511&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959108&

Queen Olga:    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8142920&PIgrid=8142920&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959144&

King Constantine I:  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8126604&PIgrid=8126604&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959085&

Queen Sofia:    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8143038&PIgrid=8143038&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959179&

King Alexander I:   http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8079307&PIgrid=8079307&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959061&

Princess Aspasia Manos:  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8143056&PIgrid=8143056&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959074&

Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia:  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8143067&PIgrid=8143067&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959036&

King George II:   http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8079309&PIgrid=8079309&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959133&

King Paul I:  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8126667&PIgrid=8126667&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959159&

Queen Fredercika:   http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GScid=1973419&GRid=8142931&PIgrid=8142931&PIcrid=1973419&PIpi=7959094& 

Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Carisbrooke on October 08, 2009, 09:29:58 AM
   In the light of the PASOK victory of the 4th of october, does this mean the end for the tatoi palace renovation ?
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 08, 2009, 06:16:55 PM
A very good question.
Considering the miserable state of the Greek economy, and the rabid anti monarchism of PapaAndrew and his Pasok pals,I would say that the restoration will definately be either postponed or cancelled all together!
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Carisbrooke on October 09, 2009, 06:56:43 AM
    I seem to have taken my eye off the ball as far as greece is concerned for several years now. Though I see the politicians of the present day sound just as lovable & adorable as they were back in the 90's.    :)
        I can never see this project getting off the ground, its back to square one.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
Sad...I was looking forward to that happening.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on September 17, 2011, 09:34:02 PM
Article from Ekathimerini from September 18,2011 entitled The Case for Reviving Tatoi, by Margarita Pournara

http://ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite4_1_12/09/2011_405986 (http://ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite4_1_12/09/2011_405986)
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Post by: Carisbrooke on September 19, 2011, 02:14:17 AM
TATOI PALACE IN 2008 - UTUBE  http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=O4htON5Bw3U. (http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=O4htON5Bw3U.)

  I know times are hard, but if the greek government are not going to look after the house & grounds, give it back !
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
Or better sell it !
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Carisbrooke on September 21, 2011, 02:16:07 AM
   Thats a very touchy subject in Greece at the moment, & there was talk of selling off Mon Repos at one stage.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/06/27/sale-of-prince-philips-birthplace-causes-uproar-on-greek-islands/ (http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/06/27/sale-of-prince-philips-birthplace-causes-uproar-on-greek-islands/)

  Pay no attention to the picture in the link. Its the Achilleion.  :)



Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 21, 2011, 02:56:44 PM
I think at least it give it a chance for private money to take care of the place. The Greek Government is plain broke. Period !
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Clemence on November 14, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
http://www.tovima.gr/society/article/?aid=429860#.Tr-pRnzAfog.facebook (http://www.tovima.gr/society/article/?aid=429860#.Tr-pRnzAfog.facebook)

About Tatoi.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2011, 01:29:21 PM
Thanks for the link !  :)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: TulinnDon on March 16, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
Thanks for posting the link !

I try to put this photo probably in Tatoï the 1900' but it was perfect at that time ! I do not know why it is in our album. I only post it to compare it with the previous one.

(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p322/DonTulinn/Nicolas%20Victor/photosVIKTOR-NICOLAS34.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: Vasilya on September 03, 2012, 04:12:32 PM
http://ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_01/09/2012_459319 (http://ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_01/09/2012_459319)

Article from Ekathimerini about Tatoi being added to the Greek state's privatization fund.
Title: Re: Greek royal palaces & residences
Post by: LisaG on May 06, 2015, 02:38:38 PM
I can't believe no one will buy Tatoi, if only to keep it from falling to ruins. I wish the British RF would buy it since it's the DoE's family buried there.