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Title: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: JD on January 27, 2004, 11:32:31 AM
I found a picture or two of this palace a few years ago while thumbing through a mostly-picture book about the last Romanovs.  It is (as I believe) a positively gorgeous white palace overlooking the black sea.  On the internet I can't find much more than the occasional picture a blurb about how it's famous for being the site of a WW2 conference. I also didn't see anything about it on this site. Can anyone point me to another reference or provide details? I can't imagine such a beatiful residence not being used but from the dearth of information I'm wondering if that was the case.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: nerdycool on January 27, 2004, 05:59:37 PM
Hi there. Actually, from what I know of it, Livadia is a museum, and it looks well taken care of. The chapel is a functioning one, too. I did find one site that has many fabulous pictures on it. Most are exterior shots, but there are quite a few interior shots as well. This is the link:

http://livadia.russian-women.net

I also found a vacation tour page which takes people to the Crimea and found an aerial picture of the palace... it's super also. It's found here:

http://www.eugeniatours.com.ua/inbound/yalta/royal.htm

Some other sites with pictures/info which I found interesting:

http://www.blacksea-crimea.com/Places/livadia1.html
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/livadia_palace_crimea.htm
http://www.istop.com/~artz/crimea/livadia.html

Hope this helps,

nerdyc
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: JD on January 27, 2004, 08:42:19 PM
thanks a lot nerdy. i actually came across a picture from that first one but didn't think to go to the root site, figuring it was on a mail-order bride website by mistake!  a pity that there aren't more interior/period shots, but lots of nice exterior ones.
anyone have any information on how/how often it was used (it was a built as a summer home, but was this its only use, and how frequently)?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Forum Admin on January 28, 2004, 10:50:50 AM
Nicholas and Alexandra built Livadia out of money from their own personal sources and worked very closely with the architect on its design.  They took alot of "flak" from the Courtiers that it was not "grand" enough for the Tsar, but Nicholas and Alexandra basically said 'we're paying for it ourselves so we can have it exactly the way we want it!'

The Family loved Livadia more than any other place and felt truly at home there. It was the one place that belonged truly and totally to "them".

They had planned to go there in summer 1911, but were forced to wait thru the summer until mid September in Sebastapol until Livadia was ready. The paint was not even dry when they moved in. Alexandra personally took charge of every detail of moving in and setting up household and would not hear a word of criticism from anyone.  They played tennis almost daily and took long walks and had picnics.  They would go shopping in Yalta.  Olga's "coming of age" ball was held there.  Alexandra also organised several charity bazaars while at Livadia, every season she was there.  There were excursions to places in the area and balls at other Palaces in the Crimea owned by other Romanovs. They left Livadia to be back at Tsarskoe Selo just before Christmas 1911.

The same pattern of life went on in Livadia every time they were there.  1912 was mid March thru Mid May, 1913 was August thru early December, 1914 was April thru June.  The sad tragedy is that these four seasons were the only times they were at the one place which they loved more than any other because it was truly theirs and where they could just always be themselves.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: JD on January 28, 2004, 01:34:11 PM
Great stuff, thanks. BTW when I was searching I somehow missed this: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/Livadia.htm !
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: JanetWhitcomb on January 28, 2004, 04:43:01 PM
I have visited Livadia Palace. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: jda on February 02, 2004, 02:27:40 PM
There are several photos  of   Livadia and a lot of the Masandra Palace at this web site.www.arch.ru  Click on the upper right logo then scroll down to  the Crimea site
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet on February 09, 2004, 08:23:55 PM
Back again. It has been more than 10 years since I visited Livadia.  It was a fantastic experience, and really--for me--the centerpiece of my trip to Russia/Ukraine.  Our guide, Vladimir, was wonderful; I told him of my Romanov interest, and he pointed out aspects of the palace which he knew I would appreciate.  Livadia Palace is on a more intimate scale than most royal living quarters. The beautiful hall where Olga danced at her 16th birthday party--and where, years later, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin conducted their Yalta Conference--is actually not as large as you might think. The hall's windows, just as Robert Massie wrote, open off into an adjacent garden. Since I've been there the gift shop has expanded considerably, and Vladimir continues to send me items. (And I send him information about America.) Nearby is a wax museum.  My American tour guide, a professor of Russian history, was astonished to see Nicholas and Alexandra and their children depicted . . . the previous summer, when he had led a tour, the figures most definitely had not been on display! Livadia is a lovely place, and of course the sea is spectacular. When you can, note photos of OTMA and Alexei near the water; Yalta's beachfront area is not  sandy but scattered with rocks, and mats which rolled down into the water were used then as they are now!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobAtchison on February 10, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
I visited there too in the Soviet era.  It's an amazing place,  I had the sensation that Olga or Marie might 'appear' again at any moment in a corridor or in the garden.  One can see why they loved this place so much.  It's a shame they hardly had the chance to use the new palace before the war broke out.

Janet - yes that beach was rocky!!!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on February 12, 2004, 08:36:10 PM
Thanks for your reply, Bob.  One of my favorite memories of Livadia Palace was being shown a bench, just before entering the palace, which featured a couple of griffins. The workers who had created this bench and other similar items had been a little ticked off with Nicholas--I can't remember if it was due to not being paid as much as they wished, or having to do a "rush" job, or some such other grievance. At any rate, they chose to impose the likeness of Nicholas upon the griffins! I have often thought how Nicholas and his family--Anastasia and Alexei in particular, I would imagine--must have been amused by these sculptures!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobAtchison on February 14, 2004, 10:29:49 AM
Janet you can actually stay in the outbuildings of the palace.  We were goinbg to do a tour to Livadia and stay there a couple,of years ago but it is very hard to get to if you don't want to fly via Istanbul or on a Ukranian airplane (which many people won't do).  I think we should do that tour - maybe just a small group - and stay at Livadia for a week...

Bob
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on February 15, 2004, 03:05:14 PM
Planning Livadia as the focus of a tour sounds like a great idea!  My friend Vladimir says so much more of the palace is open to tourists now since I was there. And the outbuildings you refer to . . . would those have been where the servants and attendants resided?

Yes, flying can be . . . interesting!  We flew from St. P via Aeroflot, and I've never been so frightened in my life. (No empty phrase, that!) In fact, I had an extended "conversation" with the Grand Duchess Olga Nicholievna, promising that if our plane didn't crash I'd be sure to write her story. (Alas, am still in the process--no lightning bolts yet, though.) We were onboard a (supposedly) reconverted military plane and it screeched, rattled and vibrated the entire time; you couldn't carry on a conversation with the person sitting next to you unless you shouted.  Smoke kept wafting from the restrooms and nothing seemed completely secure, including our seats.  On the other hand, after our Yalta stay we flew from Simferabol to Kiev via a private airline--according to our guide, the first one of non Communist Russia--and the experience was delightful. So, you never know . . .

In addition to Livadia, the town of Yalta is interesting, as is Chekov's home and the estate where Churchill stayed during the Yalta conference.  The walk up to Swallows Nest is also intriguing (and a good stretch of the legs!), but if I had it to over I would have spent more time at Livadia Palace. Also, other estates and palaces are within driving distance; Vladimir sends me information about them from time to time. It's a beautiful area--much like Laguna Beach, CA, which is just a twenty minute drive from my home . . . no royal estates in Laguna Beach, though!  But in Yalta, as in Laguna Beach, both palms and pines are in abundance, the sea sparkles, geraniums and other flowers color the area, and the overall feeling is one of holiday and relaxation.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: londo954 on March 03, 2004, 11:30:10 AM
I understand that Livadia is now a hotel as well as a museum !!!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 12, 2004, 12:38:55 PM
What was the history of Livadia after the revolution , war & civil war ?
I have read & heard various accounts: it was used by Stalin as a private dacha, a children's home/orphanage  worker's resort or even a "sanatorium" which is a mysterious Soviet term that could mean anything.
I think, like a lot of people, I am taken by this very personal home more so than the grand palaces & yachts that the family used.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 14, 2004, 09:35:50 PM
 I´m looking for some plan of this palace...but as well as with Peterhof´s  New palace i cannot find anything...
I read some time ago that the palace has a lot of original furniture from the palace that has been stored for years and is now being carried back to the rooms.
I think(cannot be sure) that the chairs used in the famous photograph of the Yalta Conference taken in the italian courtyard were the same that were used by the grand duchesses in some photographs with Gilliard having lessons in a terrace-balcony....might it be?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Greg_King on March 15, 2004, 12:48:05 AM
Quote
I´m looking for some plan of this palace...but as well as with Peterhof´s  New palace i cannot find anything...
 I read some time ago that the palace has a lot of original furniture from the palace that has been stored for years and is now being carried back to the rooms.
 I think(cannot be sure) that the chairs used in the famous photograph of the Yalta Conference taken in the italian courtyard were the same that were used by the grand duchesses in some photographs with Gilliard having lessons in a terrace-balcony....might it be?


About a year or two ago, we did a special 3 volume Crimean issue of "Atlantis," and I included schematic floorplans for Livadia (as well as Koreiz, Dulber, Harax, Massandra, Alupka).  As I have not been, there were based on plans drawn by four friends who had, then details worked out by combining them, studying photographs, etc.  It was also helped by the fact that one of them had taken pictures, thoughtfully, of the fire escape routes posted on both floors, that showed many of the rooms and their layout and configuration.  It's pretty close to what's there, I think-unfortunately I don't have any way to post the plans I did, but if you're interested you can order the Crimean issues.

I'm in the dark as to the Lower Palace, but believe Bob has plans?

Greg King
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 15, 2004, 07:04:58 AM
Thanks Greg for your answer!!!
And forgive my calling you Eric!!!!! A friend of mine is named Eric King and somehow i wrote his name instead of yours...Quite stupid...Sorry!!!!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on March 17, 2004, 05:23:33 PM
I have seen the information somewhere on this website, but despite retracing my steps have been unable to find it again, so could you provide information on how to order Atlantis? Thank you !
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: elisa_1872 on May 28, 2004, 01:37:17 PM
I was reading in the section of "Romanov Autumn" -
"Autumn in the South", it mentions on the Livadia estate
Alexandra "preferring to go into the hills, to the waterfall Outchan-Sou or to Eriklik, the wooden house built in the pinewoods for Maria Alexandrovna, which had its own model dairy." (pg 155)

I was very interested to know whether this wooden house still exists, or if anyone knows more about it.
And does this Maria Alexandrovna mean the Empress, or her daughter, Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna?
It would be so touching if belonged to the Empress Maria.
I'd be so grateful if anyone can help!

Elisa
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 28, 2004, 03:26:35 PM
It's only a guess, but it is doubtful this refers to Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna who went on to marry Alfred of Edinburgh and become mother to Ducky and Missy, amongst others.

I believe the estate at Livadia was originally purchased for Empress Marie Alexandrovna, wife of Alexander II, and mother of Alexander III and GD MA, above.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: elisa_1872 on May 29, 2004, 05:31:31 AM
Lisa! thanks so much for your reply! I also thought it referred to the Empress, but i wasn' t sure. Thanks!!!
Its so great also, because Empress Marie was Alix's great aunt. I just love to find out things like this that refer to both of them!

Thanks again Lisa!
Elisa :)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Greg_King on May 29, 2004, 06:19:34 AM
I wrote about this in our special 4-volume Atlantis on the Romanovs in the Crimea.  The most relevant bits below:

Midway up the slope of Mount Moghabi, Alexander II had a third house built as a gift to his wife.  Called Eriklik, this was a simple, one storey villa, designed by architect A. I. Rezanov, and set amidst the pine-clad cliffs.  The villa backed up against the hill, but the other three sides were wrapped with terraces and covered balconies, where the Empress could relax in the shade and enjoy the magnificent, panoramic views over the entire Livadia estate and the Black Sea.  Although the situation was exquisite, the Empress found the long, rough carriage ride up the winding mountain roads an ordeal, and is said to have spent only fifteen days here.  Later, a small farm was built in a nearby meadow, and the estate became a favorite destination, for picnics by the adults, and excursions to the farm for the children of Nicholas II, who spent hours playing with the sheep, Shetland ponies, and goats their father kept here.

I think there were quite a few visits by Olga and Tatiana described as well, but I can't lay my hands on the information at the moment.

Hope this helps,

Greg King
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: elisa_1872 on May 29, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
Many many thanks Greg for your wonderful information!!!

Is there a photo of Eriklik in existance, does anyone know?

Thanks again Greg, so grateful for all those details!:-)

Elisa
Title: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Janet_W. on September 21, 2004, 06:06:56 PM
. . . is the lovely Hotel Oreanda, built between 1905-1907. After serving as a hospital during post-revolutionary years, the hotel was restored to its original purpose in the 1950s and further renovated in recent times.

Check out hotel-oreanda.com for some wonderful views of this Crimean resort. Prior to the revolution and if you weren't personal guests of Romanov royalty, the Hotel Oreanda seems to have been "the" fashionable place to stay . . . and certainly looks wonderful these days as well!

(Our 1992 tour stayed instead at some huge modern hotel which was reputed to be mafia-protected. It was fine enough, but the Hotel Oreanda would be my ideal!)
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: elisa_1872 on October 01, 2004, 11:04:04 AM
Thanks Janet, that's really interesting! I hope you had a wonderful tour when you visited. :)

Just curious, i remember reading of a little shop in Yalta, near the Palace that Alexandra visited once with a lady in waiting - at the Zembinski's Gallery, and she was told to leave her wet umbrella outside by the shopkeeper.  :)Does anyone know if this little shop might still exist?
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: M_Breheny on October 19, 2004, 07:22:29 PM
Janet:

Thanks for the wonderful picture of the Hotel Oreanda.  It brought back memories of my stay there in 1976. Our room was on the side of the hotel, but we did have a little balcony where we could sit and gaze out at the Black Sea.  During our two weeks in the old Soviet Union, the Oreanda was the oldest hotel we stayed in, and it pleased me that at least one of those hotels had been around during Nicholas and Alexandra's time.  

I might add that my husband and I are finalizing plans for a trip to Russia in June.  It has been a dream of mine to return to that wonderful country.  We probably won't get to Yalta, but I am looking forward to Moscow and especially St. Petersburg and Tsarskoe Selo.  This Discussion Board definitely has renewed my interest in all things Romanov.

Mary
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Janet_W. on October 19, 2004, 10:08:58 PM
Mary, thanks for your kind words, and how fortunate that you and your husband stayed at the Hotel Oreanda! If I return to Yalta, I would try my darndest to stay there . . . it seems to be one of those grand and gracious old hotels that can be a holiday in itself, and very possibly the closest thing to the "Yalta experience" of one hundred years ago. Best wishes, and we look forward to hearing about your June 2005 trip.

And Elisa, perhaps in time someone can offer more information about the shops in Yalta--as they are now, and as they were then. It's very possible that families who have lived in that area for generations have their own historians, records and aspirations and will, in time, restore individual buildings to what they were previously. It has happened in other places throughout the world, so why not Yalta?
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Forum Admin on October 20, 2004, 10:15:48 AM
Just arrived yesterday for the archives, so I thought you might enjoy seeing it here, since it is the subject of discussion!
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/forumimages/hoteloreanda.jpg)
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Mike on October 20, 2004, 11:07:08 AM
I've eaten at Oreanda a few times but have never stayed there. It was an Intourist hotel, and to stay there a Soviet citizen had to be really well connected. However the restaurant was open to everybody, and when it was closed due to a "special event" (e.g. a foreign tourist group's lunch), a few rubles given to the doorman usually had the door opened wide. The food there was very good, and rare (but not expensive) Massandra wines even better.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: jfkhaos on March 10, 2005, 01:56:31 PM
Once Nicholas, Alexandra, and the children had been taken to Tobolsk and later, Ekaterinburg, and a large number of the Romanovs were being held in the Crimea at assorted palaces, was the New Palace at Livadia being used?  Did it remain empty while the "prisoners" were crammed into Ai Todor etc?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: hikaru on March 10, 2005, 02:07:54 PM
There was an hospital in the New Palace that time.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 11:46:38 PM
Livadia from the air
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Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 11:48:21 PM
Livadia fron the sea
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Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: hikaru on June 25, 2005, 10:06:33 AM
According to the Guide-book of 1913, the near of Eriklik there is a geniuse farm with  a lot of the cows of Shvits's and Alygaus's types.

According to the Guide - book of 1922, Livadia became the museum again and Romanov things, which were moved for a while, came back.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Platon on July 15, 2005, 10:00:30 AM
Hi guys,

This might go way off the mark - but just thought I'd mention "Eriklik" - in Turkish refers to an area for plums, whether an orchard or......

With this part associated with Tartar origins (many Turkic expressions)....thought it might add some light from a different perspective (whether it may be true).
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Douglas on October 15, 2005, 08:49:39 PM
 Livadia, the former summer palace of Tsar Nicholas II, is situated 11/2 miles from Yalta. The new, or large palace was finished in 1911. Most of the frescoes, panelling, carved doors, etc., were prepared in St. Petersburg. The palace grounds formerly belonged to Count Potocki who presented them to the Romanov family in the 19th century? .

The first floor of the palace was used by Nicholas and his son, Alexai, for living quarters. The left wing, facing the sea, contained the Tsar?s study and bedroom. The President?s private dining room was formerly a billiard room. The large conference room was the ballroom-banquet hall. The Tsar had many bedrooms on the first floor and was wont to sleep in a different room every night, even at times changing his room during the night for fear of assassination? .

The second floor was used principally by the Tsarina and her four daughters. General Marshall is occupying the Imperial bedroom and Admiral King the Tsarina?s boudoir. The private outside staircase is said to have been used by Rasputin. The large rooms on the left wing were used by the Tsarevnas (daughters) as classrooms. The second floor conference room was a private reception room of the Tsarina. The second floor dining room was a private sitting room used only by the Tsar?s family.

The architect of the palace, Krasnov, often had to give way to the whims of the Tsar to the detriment, so he thought, of the palace. To avenge himself, he used lion head caricatures of the Tsar as armrests on the two marble benches outside the main door. The similarity becomes striking when a cap is placed atop the lion?s head.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet_W. on October 21, 2005, 05:33:52 PM
I cannot express how wonderful it is to look at the two photos on this thread. It has been more than a decade since our tour group visited Livadia, and we were there only for a short time, but still it remains one of my favorite places in the world.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alixz on October 30, 2005, 03:15:31 PM
I just picked up a book on Ebay called Lividia Palace it's in both Russian and English and concentrates only on Livadia and the area around it.

I can't wait to get it.

Has anyone else seen it?


Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: julia.montague on March 02, 2006, 01:06:07 PM
They were imprisoned in Djulber, the palace of Grandduke Ppyotr Nikolaievitch
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: e_Adam on March 09, 2006, 04:38:08 PM
I am not sure if the information that there was a hospital at Livadia at that time is correct. I have read the diary of The Dowager Emperss (26.april 1917- 26.april (9.may) 1919. The Dowager Emperess didn't mention once that there was a hospital running at Livadia. If so, who runned it, and for whom, the red army or the white army? If it was for the red army, I am sure that she would have been very upset and mentioned it , and if it was for the whites I belive that she would have wisited it, as she used to do before the revolution.
Maybe someone has some reliable information?
The Dowager Emperess stayed, during her 2  years in Crimea at 3 different recidences. First at Aj-Todor, second at Djulber ( during the most dramatic period) and at last at Kharaks.
Before this stay at Crimea, the Dowager Emperss had not been there for 23(!) years. Crimea was for her linked strongly to the death of her beloved Sasha, emperor Alexandr III.
During the first days and weeks of the stay, the Romanoffs had freedom to move around,and they did. The Dovager Emperss visited Princess Irina and Prince Felix at the villa Koreiz, and she saw from a distance, for the first time the new Livadia, built 1911-1912 by Emperor Nikolaj II. She didn't have courage to visit it at that time, she was too  dread,moved and upset. In fact she had decided when Sasha died that she would never(!) wisit Crimea again.
The only part of the old palace Livadia that Nikolaj II had let remail, was a small anneks, containing the room where Alexandr III died.
It should pass another month before The Dowager Emperess felt that she was able to wisit the new Livadia.
She writes about it in her diary the 24.april(7.may) 1917:
" After lunch, I drove with Xenia, and just us two alone, to see Livadia. My first, sad visit. Like a pilgrimage. No comparison with the old palace, everything so dramaticly changed with this new, all too huge palace on the exactly same ground!
Was inside our own modest small house, heartbreaking seeing it again, after all those years. I was living over again all those cruel, sad memories. Then visited the new, saw the new church also, of-course enlarged  that too. I didnt feel at home. The public wandered around in the garden as if they were at home. Disgusting soildiers with  rude faces didn't even bow!
Arrived home at 5.
This is the only time the Dowager Emperess mention Livadia during her 2 years long stay at Crimea.
Best regards Adam
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: dp5486 on March 16, 2006, 05:31:07 PM
I am curious as to why after their release from imprisonment in Dulber the Dowager Empress and Xenia didn't return to Ai Todor but to Harax, the estate of Xenia's cousin and best friend GD Marie Georgievna and her husband GD George Mikhailovich.

Does anybody know why they didn't just return to Ai Todor?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: James1941 on March 17, 2006, 01:54:06 PM
In her book Little Mother of Russia Coryne Hall writes in Chapter 24, p. 311, "After celebrating the Orthodox Easter the Romanovs began moving back to their own homes. Dagmar went to Harax, the English-style property of Grand Duke George Michaelovitch and his wife "Greek Minny" at Alupka, three miles west of Cap Ai-Todor. The first floor rooms led directly on to terraces overhung with roses and honeysuckle, cascading down to the Black Sea. It reminded Dagmar of Hvidore. The interior was very English. The reception rooms, where poker and bridge parties used to be held, were called 'The Clubs'. Olga and her family moved into one of the small houses near the main building, which all had red roofs like an English country village. The estate had one advantage over Djulber--it was nearer to Yalta."
I believe Sandro and Xenia and their family went back to Ai-Todor. Since this was a large group it may have been simple convenience that motivated Dagmar to go to Harax.
Hope this adds some answer to your question.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: dp5486 on March 17, 2006, 02:57:06 PM
Thank you and it does! That is also one of the books that I wish I could find a copy of!

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: James1941 on March 17, 2006, 05:30:21 PM
For a copy of that book try the European Royal History Journal website, at
  www.eurohistory.com.   Go down the menu to the bookstore selection.
 You can also email Arturo Beeche direct and ask him if he has the book for sale at  arturo@eurohistory.com.   They have a good selection of royal books at decent prices.  
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: dp5486 on March 17, 2006, 06:54:07 PM
I checked the website and they have it for $42.00. I was hoping to try and get it for less but that seems alot better than the two that I saw for $196.00 each! :o. I just wish I could look inside it (like on Amazon) and look at the index. I always like to try and do this to see if the book will have what I'm looking for. I do have Hall's book on Grand Duchess Xenia and it does have all the little details that I like so I may just have to trust my instincts on this one... Do you highly recommend it?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: James1941 on March 17, 2006, 07:59:19 PM
I believe we are not supposed to tout sales and bargains in our messages so I have sent you a private message with what I hope will help you find the book at a cheaper price. Check your messages.
Yes, I do recommend the book as worth having in your library but I would not go so far as to say "highly."
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 08, 2006, 12:05:30 PM
The interiors of Livadia Palace.

Classroom of Grand Duchesses

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/OTMAclassroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 08, 2006, 12:07:16 PM
The Working Study of Nikolay II

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/StudyNik.jpg)

The Working Study of Alexandra Fedorovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/StudyAF.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobG on April 09, 2006, 06:26:00 AM
Svetabel,
More, More, please!
Once again you've posted some wonderful pictures that I've never seen.
If you have more, please share them.
Thanks so much.
BobG

Now if we can only get someone to share a FLOORPLAN of Livadia!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 09, 2006, 02:20:15 PM
The Library

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/library.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 09, 2006, 02:21:20 PM
The Main Study of Nikolay II


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/mainstudy.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 09, 2006, 02:23:25 PM
And the Bedroom of Nikolay and Alexandra.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/bedroom1.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on April 09, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
As for the Floorplan..ohh, I wish I had it :(
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on April 18, 2006, 09:33:13 PM
Three views of Baron Frederick's residence at Livadia:

http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Raznoe/Osobnyak_fred_01.htm
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Raznoe/Osobnyak_fred_02.htm
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Raznoe/Osobnyak_fred_03.htm

A series of photos of Massandra:
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Masandra/Masandra_02.htm

including interiors:
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Masandra/Masandra_12.htm

A series of photos of Voronzov
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Voronzov/voronzov_02.htm
including interiors:
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/Voronzov/voronzov_14.htm

http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/foto_album_krm_01.htm
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/foto_album_krm_02.htm
http://www.daniluk.aaanet.ru/foto_album/Krim/foto_album_krm_03.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobG on April 19, 2006, 08:02:48 AM
Joanna,
You find the most amazing sites!  Thank you so much for sharing them.
BobG
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Princess_Olishka on April 19, 2006, 09:00:08 PM
I agree, Bob! Thank you, Svetabel, for sharing all those amazing pictures with us! :-*

Olishka
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 03, 2006, 10:18:30 PM
'sigh' I wish I had a home like that.  ::) I have seen pictures of it before, but still, every time it forces my imagination to wander.  I like it more than the large imperial palaces in Russia, the mortal vision of the entrance to heaven.   ;)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on June 06, 2006, 08:21:06 PM
Plan of layout of Livadia buildings including dates of construction:

http://www.crimea-kvn.ru/maps/pan_livadiya_dv.html

Plan of layout of Vorontsov Palace buildings:

http://www.crimea-kvn.ru/maps/pan_voroncov_dv.html

Plan of the Khan Palace:

http://www.crimea-kvn.ru/maps/pan_khan_dv.html

Plan of Yalta with the locations of the various palaces (#10 is Livadia):

http://www.crimea-kvn.ru/maps/pan_yalta.html

Joanna

Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Arleen on June 07, 2006, 02:00:23 AM
Your research enriches my life Joanna!  Many thanks.

I have got to get a translator I simply cannot stand not knowing what the words mean......on the Vorontsov Palace site there is a telephone number listed, what is that Palace used for now?

These are the most incredable maps I have ever seen!  Absolutely beautiful.  They just bring it all to life....

Arleen
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 13, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
Lovin' these pics ;)

I've wondered, according to one of the posts here, the palace was turned into a museum in 1922?  During the Yalta conference of '45, I am assuming that there were no mentions of the Romanovs while Churchill, FDR and Stalin were there?  Its interesting because when I look at pictures of that meeting, I picture the IF there also.  :-/
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet_W. on June 13, 2006, 08:16:30 PM
Several of the people who accompanied President Roosevelt--his son among them--left memoirs and mentioned, but only briefly, that they had been aware they were staying at the home of the former tsar.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on August 25, 2006, 02:17:07 PM
The Italian Courtyard of the Livadia Palace. Not a postcard but a live-photo :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/yardit.jpg)

One of the women is Anna Vyrubova I think.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2006, 12:03:35 PM
More photos of the Livadia Palace interiors.

One more photo of the classroom of the Grand Duchesses

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/class1.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2006, 12:05:34 PM
Study of the Empress

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/studyalix.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2006, 12:06:41 PM
Boudoir of the Empress

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/boudoir.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
And the bedroom of Tsarevich Alexey.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/alexey.jpg)

I wonder what is a net at the right ? Is it a bed or something for play? ???
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on September 07, 2006, 09:34:09 AM
Sveta, you've made my day!  :D

Here are a few more interiors.
Banquet Hall:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_banquethall2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/banquethall2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_banquethall.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/banquethall.jpg)

Chapel:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_chapel.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/chapel.jpg)

Alexandra's Library (or so it was labeled in Court of the Last Tsar -- but if it's a library, where are the books?):
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_Libraryalix.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/Libraryalix.jpg)



And this one was labeled by Lanie as Aleksei's bedroom at Livadia, but it doesn't seem to match the photo Sveta posted -- any ideas?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_livadia1913.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/livadia1913.jpg)

Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 07, 2006, 11:56:10 PM



And this one was labeled by Lanie as Aleksei's bedroom at Livadia, but it doesn't seem to match the photo Sveta posted -- any ideas?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_livadia1913.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/livadia1913.jpg)



No idea. I've seen only that picture (I posted). :-\
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobG on September 22, 2006, 01:43:33 PM
And the bedroom of Tsarevich Alexey.

I wonder what is a net at the right ? Is it a bed or something for play? ???

Svetabel,
Do you think the net might have been used to keep Alexei from falling out of bed or somehow hurting himself in some way?  I remember pictures of straw that were under swings, or hammocks to cushion any falls.  The net may have served a similar purpose.  This is just a guess on my part, but it was my immediate thought when I saw the picture.

BobG
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 22, 2006, 02:19:36 PM
And the bedroom of Tsarevich Alexey.

I wonder what is a net at the right ? Is it a bed or something for play? ???

Svetabel,
The net may have served a similar purpose.  This is just a guess on my part, but it was my immediate thought when I saw the picture.

BobG

Same with me :), I also thought about such thing.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on September 22, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
And the bedroom of Tsarevich Alexey.

I wonder what is a net at the right ? Is it a bed or something for play? ???

Svetabel,
Do you think the net might have been used to keep Alexei from falling out of bed or somehow hurting himself in some way?  I remember pictures of straw that were under swings, or hammocks to cushion any falls.  The net may have served a similar purpose.  This is just a guess on my part, but it was my immediate thought when I saw the picture.

BobG
That net reminds me of the mesh on the cribs that are visible in the photos of the children's rooms at the AP. Those photos were taken in the 1920's or 30's, when the upper floor of the palace was used as a children's home. I wonder if these are something similar? Were these photos of the White Palace taken after the IF's death?

The structure underneath the net does look very much like the imperial children's camp beds, but I know there was no such net on Aleksei's camp bed at Stavka, for example. I'll try to remember to post a photo from Aleksei & Nicholas's bedroom at headquarters when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on September 22, 2006, 09:17:56 PM
Nicholas & Aleksei's bedroom at Stavka:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Stavka/stavbedc.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Ortino on September 22, 2006, 09:57:59 PM
And the bedroom of Tsarevich Alexey.

I wonder what is a net at the right ? Is it a bed or something for play? ???

Svetabel,
Do you think the net might have been used to keep Alexei from falling out of bed or somehow hurting himself in some way?  I remember pictures of straw that were under swings, or hammocks to cushion any falls.  The net may have served a similar purpose.  This is just a guess on my part, but it was my immediate thought when I saw the picture.

BobG
That net reminds me of the mesh on the cribs that are visible in the photos of the children's rooms at the AP. Those photos were taken in the 1920's or 30's, when the upper floor of the palace was used as a children's home. I wonder if these are something similar? Were these photos of the White Palace taken after the IF's death?

The structure underneath the net does look very much like the imperial children's camp beds, but I know there was no such net on Aleksei's camp bed at Stavka, for example. I'll try to remember to post a photo from Aleksei & Nicholas's bedroom at headquarters when I get home tonight.





That's not mesh on the cribs--it's the sides of the crib. It has walls like a playpen, see through. I doubt that that mesh covering would have always been there--when was the photo taken?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on September 22, 2006, 10:10:29 PM
That's not mesh on the cribs--it's the sides of the crib. It has walls like a playpen, see through.
That's exactly what I meant...
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Reco on September 23, 2006, 02:13:42 PM
Sorry Sarushka,

Nicholas and Aleksey Share a Bedroom at Stavka. If you look carefullly, the bed in the back is a small bed.

Reco
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on September 23, 2006, 04:21:23 PM
Sorry Sarushka,

Nicholas and Aleksey Share a Bedroom at Stavka. If you look carefullly, the bed in the back is a small bed.

Reco

Exactly. That's why I posted the photo -- to show that there was no mesh or netting on Aleksei's camp bed at Stavka.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 05, 2006, 01:36:15 PM
For most of us the Livadia palace is the most interesting museum of Crimea.
Let`s go for a virtual trip.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 05, 2006, 01:39:11 PM
We are near a palace and today is not Wednesday (the palace is closed on Wednesdays).
First of all we need a ticket.

The Tower (it is a ticket office today)
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv1.JPG)

inside:
Wooden staircase (to the roof of the tower). You can see a door to the second floor. There is a door on the first floor also (to the vestibule). 
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv2.JPG)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: amelia on October 05, 2006, 04:44:05 PM
Thank you Vladimir, these are beautiful photographs.

Amelia
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 06, 2006, 01:30:21 PM
A ticket
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv3.JPG)

Main entrance to the palace, designed as a portico with three semi-compass arches
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv4.JPG)

A marble bench, made by the design of N.Krasnov
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv5.JPG)

High carved back and armrest in the shape of griffin.
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv6.JPG)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 07, 2006, 12:09:18 PM
Main entrance. A view from the vestibule
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv7.JPG)

A door to the staircase in the tower
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv8.JPG)

A door to the Page`s Room (the Room for door-keepers)
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv9.JPG)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: ChristineM on October 08, 2006, 05:22:43 AM
Such wonderfully atmospheric photographs - thank you Vladimir.

tsaria
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet_W. on October 08, 2006, 10:48:45 PM
I agree. Thank you so much, Vladimir! I visited Livadia in 1991 and the photos bring it all back. Alas, didn't see that beautiful staircase, nor the second floor . . . instead our tour spent just a morning at Livadia and time at other sites such as Swallow's Nest, Alupka, Chekov's home, etc. . . . so, obviously I MUST return! ;^)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: xirbis on October 12, 2006, 06:31:28 PM
Thank you, Vladimir, these are the great pictures. And again it proves that the "Atlantis floor plans" are incorrect. Do you have more, by chance?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 13, 2006, 12:24:06 PM
No, I do not. But I try to draw a floorplan.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vladimir_V. on October 13, 2006, 12:26:16 PM
The Vestibule (eastern wall) and the view to the adjoining White Hall (State Hall). Earlier this table (used during the Yalta conference) was in the White Hall, where now Summit talks and international meetings are held. (Have in view that the palace is not working during meetings and many tourists feel a shock!)

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/liv10.JPG)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: tatianolishka_ on October 13, 2006, 07:35:27 PM
Does anybody have a photograph of a room in Livadia? There is a couch, a chair and a big armchair. There's a small version of it in the photo album, but I've seen it bigger and clearer. There is nobody in the photo, just that room.

Thanks!

TatOlia
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: azazello on October 21, 2006, 11:06:24 AM
Just wanted to let you know that the site:
http://livadia.whoo.net/ (http://livadia.whoo.net/)
have been updated, there are new photos you might like to browse.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: gleb on October 21, 2006, 12:08:43 PM
Just wanted to let you know that the site:
http://livadia.whoo.net/ (http://livadia.whoo.net/)
have been updated, there are new photos you might like to browse.
Thanks, very interesting!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on November 25, 2006, 09:13:23 PM
Variety of amazing views of exteriors and panoramas of interiors including the staircases of Livadia:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Ukraine.Crimea.Livadia.htm

Portico of Main Entrance:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3741.htm
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3745-3746.htm

Courtyard:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3776-3775.htm

Nicholas II Reception Room:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3766-3767and3764.htm

Bedroom of N&A:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3789-3787.htm

Alexandra's Reception Room:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3802-3799.htm

Dining Room:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3808-3806.htm

Classroom of Grand Duchesses:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3811.htm

Staircases:
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3779-3778.htm
http://klymenko.data-tec.net/Other_World/Photo/Ukraine.Crimea/IMG_3780.htm

Joanna





 
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Janet_W. on November 28, 2006, 10:38:43 AM
Azazello, many, many thanks for the link to that Livadia website. What a treasure trove of photos! I'm also enjoying the section re: Ai-Petri. No wonder Nicholas enjoyed visiting and hiking that formidable mountain, and what incredible views of the beaches and Black Sea!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: azazello on December 12, 2006, 04:24:44 AM
Just wanted to let you know that the site:
http://livadia.whoo.net/ (http://livadia.whoo.net/)
have been updated, there are new photos you might like to browse.

http://livadia.whoo.net/ (http://livadia.whoo.net/)
upgraded
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: azazello on December 14, 2006, 12:28:55 AM
Azazello, many, many thanks for the link to that Livadia website. What a treasure trove of photos! I'm also enjoying the section re: Ai-Petri. No wonder Nicholas enjoyed visiting and hiking that formidable mountain, and what incredible views of the beaches and Black Sea!

Janet, you're very welcome :)

By the way, I'm not expert in English nor in history, so if you'll notice any errors please let me know.

And if anybody needs the photos from that site, please feel free to use them. If you need bigger sizes, just say which ones you need, I'll upload them.
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on December 21, 2006, 08:52:17 AM
"Near" to Livadia there is the well known town Gourzouf,high place for tourism in 19Th and 20th century...

The fountain of the godess of the night there...
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2486/fontaineju4.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fontaineju4.jpg)

Vassili
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on January 01, 2007, 09:23:24 AM
This could be seen as out-of-the-way here,but as many knows baccarat created many objects dor the use of the russian court ,of the imperial family among others in Livadia that's why Baccarat enterprise create this bottle currently ,perhaps is this  beside the question(I bring a strange new lease of life to the Livadia question...)

It is called"Un certain été à Livadia"..
http://www.baccarat.fr/fr/home/index.php?rub=collections&srub=parfums&item=parfums
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/2102422z.jpg)
V
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: EmmyLee on January 01, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
Vladimir, thank you for your beautiful pictures! Do you have more? I wish I could go take the real tour.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alibubba on January 27, 2007, 03:35:54 PM
What lovely pictures, and what a clever idea---I love your virtual trip!  As I am unable to go there, I really appreciate others' photos and info. Thanks!  p.s. If you have a plan or layout, I'd be eternally grateful !!  ;D :) 
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BobG on January 27, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
Almost at the same time in the previous topic:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,8905.0.html

Sarah gave a link:
Here's a link to Livadia's floorplans:
http://www.kingandwilson.com/livadia/palaceplans.htm (http://www.kingandwilson.com/livadia/palaceplans.htm)

BobG
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alexandre64 on August 26, 2008, 02:56:26 AM
the Bolshevik in Livadia:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/Livadia/vlcsnap-400114.png)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/Livadia/vlcsnap-400329.png)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 08, 2008, 02:27:08 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/Livadia/vlcsnap-400698.png)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: nena on September 08, 2008, 07:37:33 AM
Livadia, 1940  (http://www.landscape-design.ru/articlex.php?c=USSR1940&n=168&p=28)

Some modern pics., you can see wax figures of IF (http://trassa.narod.ru/krym/simf-livadia.htm).    ;)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on September 08, 2008, 08:12:01 AM

Some modern pics., you can see wax figures of IF (http://trassa.narod.ru/krym/simf-livadia.htm).    ;)

Ahhm, and no resemblance to the IF at all.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Condecontessa on September 09, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Whatever happened to the well in the middle of the courtyard?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Tatyana on September 10, 2008, 01:14:43 AM
Where exactly are the wax figures located? I was there in 2003, and mercifully, there were no wax figures!

TATYANA
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: BarefootContessa on September 10, 2008, 08:41:02 AM
How did the Imperial Family travel from St. Petersburg to Livadia?  Does anyone know how long that trip would take?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: nena on September 10, 2008, 11:46:44 AM
With their Train, I  guess. And yes, trip is long.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: amartin71718 on October 25, 2008, 07:09:39 PM
My guess is about a week or 2.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on November 23, 2008, 08:48:11 PM
Photographs of Livadia c1926 when converted to a sanatorium:

This one is possibly Baron Fredericks house with the suite's buildings:
http://apa.confessmedia.com/cm/shv7ebYnaejG7RfU2oJQ4eRUHytaoVyI/2/zoom=400x400,quality=80/ULL00722936.jpg

Can anyone identify this building? Is it an angle of the new palace?
http://apa.confessmedia.com/cm/shv7ebYnaejG7RfU2oJQ4eRUHytaoVyI/2/zoom=400x400,quality=80/ULL00722924.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: rgt9w on January 04, 2009, 02:35:30 PM
Can anyone tell me what remains in the chapel from the Romanv era?

Were most of the furnishings and belongings of the Romanovs packed and sent to Moscow afer the Revolution? There do not seem to be many personal belongings of the Tsar or his family remaining in the Livadia palace when looking at recent photographs of the interior of the palace.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: nena on January 04, 2009, 06:40:10 PM
You are right,many itmes have been sent to Moscow, some items are in GARF.

I think Livadia Palace is a museum, and I have seen there(in photos) some children's belongings, portraits, etc.  ;)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Palate/pic2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Olga Maria on March 23, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
Dining Room perhaps (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Ni357737.jpg)
Gds classroom blackboard (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48254.jpg)
Tsar and Tsaritsa's portrait (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bv_Nic48193.jpg)
White hall (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48111.jpg)
Billiard room (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48144.jpg)
Livadia Park (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48017.jpg)
Perfect place! (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48030.jpg)
South Facade (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bh_Nic48004.jpg)

more coming later (if these had not been showed before)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: PAVLOV on May 09, 2009, 11:11:08 AM
Can anyone tell me where exactly the old palace was in relation to the placement of the new palace ? Was it exactly on the same spot. Also what happened to the gardens of trhe old palace, were they incorporated into the new ones and added to ? I would imagine so.
I think the old palace looked very gloomy and depressing for a seaside home, its no wonder they demolished it. I would have done the same. Apparently the sewerage system was dangerous as well, and it was thought that this was the cause of Nicholas's typhoid fever.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Svetabel on May 10, 2009, 02:49:04 AM
Can anyone tell me where exactly the old palace was in relation to the placement of the new palace ? Was it exactly on the same spot. Also what happened to the gardens of trhe old palace, were they incorporated into the new ones and added to ? I would imagine so.
I think the old palace looked very gloomy and depressing for a seaside home, its no wonder they demolished it. I would have done the same. Apparently the sewerage system was dangerous as well, and it was thought that this was the cause of Nicholas's typhoid fever.


Here's a thread on the Old palaces:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1437.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1437.0)

I don't think the old palace looked gloomy, it was demolished as it was very old and in a bad state. And just on the spot the New palace was built.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Silja on May 29, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
Just returned from my trip to the Ukraine. After an earlier visit in 2001 I visited Livadia again this time. Unlike in 2001, I could this time finally see also the first floor, which is dedicated to the imperial family. It was so touching to see Alexandra's piano. I love the palace. And there are such brilliant views from the balconies of the sea and Yalta. They couldn't have chosen a better place. 
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: bkohatl on February 21, 2010, 02:08:18 AM
I remember a wonderful picture of Livadia which I have always assumed was taken on a patio of Monsieur Gilliard and the Grand Duchesses, but I went to the wonderful website mentioned here and now I suspect that it is along one of the balustrades along the roof. Is this possible and does anyone have a picture of it toady.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on February 21, 2010, 07:21:08 AM
Probably one of these:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/th_gilliardbigpair.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/?action=view&current=gilliardbigpair.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Little%20Pair/th_7-154b1912or1913.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Little%20Pair/?action=view&current=7-154b1912or1913.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: bkohatl on February 22, 2010, 03:52:50 AM
Yes, the photo was shot while the girls took lessons on the roof.

I went to the wonderful website and kept looking for the patio upon which the photo was taken, eventually my gaze went up and I saw the balustrade.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Constantinople on April 02, 2010, 05:08:49 PM
This is a great thread.  Commendations to the people who are working to restore the palace and this forum for promulgating it.  I always thought of Livadia as a small intimate palace but the pictures tell a different story.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Michael HR on April 03, 2010, 03:28:11 PM
This thread has some of the best photos I have seen in a while. Now I have to add Livadia to the list of places to visit when I get to Russia. also it is fabulous that so much has been kept intact.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: PAVLOV on April 06, 2010, 08:39:08 AM
Yes everything is intact, although I think they removed a lot of furniture and other objects during Stalinist times.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Silja on April 06, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
The shop is disappointing though . . . Had expected more books.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: mvp019a on April 13, 2010, 05:44:02 PM
Well I ran across this message board and thought I would post some of my pics from my trip 2 years ago, in May of 2008.

If I can get anything to work...grrrr...
 
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=31117977&id=1021370125)
 
Well I have followed the instructions explicitly from the forum rules and I see nothing here...bummer.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: primrose on April 13, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
Hi mvp,

I understand your frustration as I went through the same thing last December when I began posting my first images. I suggest you send a message to moderator Laura Mabee and ask for help... she walked me through the process and was happy to help when I messed up. She's very generous with her time... I'm so grateful to her as I'm sure I couldn't have done it on my own!

Good luck to you!

primrose
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sarushka on April 14, 2010, 07:40:50 AM
Laura posted a nice tutorial on photo-posting in this thread (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=771.0). :^)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: mvp019a on April 14, 2010, 11:18:56 AM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs493.snc3/26941_1378427733676_1021370125_31117977_1332319_n.jpg)
 
There we goo...much better - thanks to Rob for turning on the light switch in my head!
 
(http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs513.snc3/26941_1378427773677_1021370125_31117978_7555015_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs493.snc3/26941_1378427853679_1021370125_31117980_7476490_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs493.snc3/26941_1378427893680_1021370125_31117981_921156_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs493.ash1/26941_1378430893755_1021370125_31117992_4593258_n.jpg)

(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs513.snc3/26941_1378430933756_1021370125_31117993_1519687_n.jpg)

(http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs493.snc3/26941_1378430973757_1021370125_31117994_3463547_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs493.snc3/26941_1378431013758_1021370125_31117995_1971420_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs493.ash1/26941_1378432853804_1021370125_31118000_94307_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs493.snc3/26941_1378432933806_1021370125_31118002_1202763_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: EmmyLee on April 15, 2010, 04:30:29 PM
Nice photos, thank you! Was the palace as huge as it looks in photos? How much of the palace is open to tour?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: mvp019a on April 15, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
It is pretty large, but not so immense as one might think.  The grounds were extensive with meandering paths all over through the gardens and foliage surrounding the palace.  I think the bulk of it was open...my favorite room (not pictured here) was the Tsar's study...it was a large room with a huge desk at one end, and the windows behind him were a panorama of the Black Sea - I could work in that room every day, except I might not get anything done for all the day dreaming of the view!
 
Unfortunately the tour was in Russian so I had to get very condensed info from my friend in between stops, but nonetheless it was a wonderful experience!
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: primrose on April 16, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
Love your pictures! Looks like you were there on a day when the crowds were not which makes the experience even better...
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: PAVLOV on April 21, 2010, 10:34:44 AM
Yes thank you very much. Your photos are beautiful. One can understand why they loved this palace so much. It must have been such a wonderful experience to arrive here after the cold and snow in St Ppetersburg.

The blue vase is very interesting, and I am wondering how many of the objects in the photographs are original to the palace. I really wish they would remove all the Stalinist momentoes, and the white piano. It looks very out of place.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: lilianna on July 06, 2010, 01:00:35 PM
The plan-panorama  Livadia  http://www.crimea-kvn.ru/maps/pan_livadiya_dv.html
Title: Re: Near Livadia Palace . . .
Post by: Carisbrooke on January 31, 2011, 07:03:38 AM
   The Tsar's Path, or solnechnaya tropa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar%27s_Path (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar%27s_Path)

   I like the fact the path was renamed in the soviet era from the Tsars Path to the Sunny Path, to rid it of its imperial family connections. "Sunny" would that be a direct translation? ...........Alexandra fights back or what !

   Do we know the exact route for the walk & has anyone ever completed it, and do any of the views along the walk relate to beinecke images. 
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alan on May 11, 2011, 06:13:01 AM
I was interested to read the post by The Ace 1918 that the Livadia Palace was the actual place where the Alliied Leaders met at the end of WW2. Its generally referred to as Yalta so its good to know the exact place.
Thanks,
Alan
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: feodorovna on May 31, 2011, 01:34:30 PM
I did a Black Sea cruise and stopped off at Yalta to visit Livadia. Despite the awful weather it was obvious that the surrounding scenery was wonderful and I could imagine Their excitement at finally arriving after Their long journey!!! Naturally, we were shown the room where the Allied Leaders met and I was glad to have seen it, but for me Livadia is first and foremost the summer home of the Imperial Family and it was a joy to see the childrens' schoolroom and to wander through rooms that they had inhabited, but I suspect I rather bored the rest of the party with my constant references to Them and Their tragic fate.
I was amazed by my first view of the palace, having previously only seen pictures of it I expected to see a completely Italianate villa, but approaching it from the side it looked rather like Balmoral and wondered if this may have been a deliberate attempt to recreate for Alexandra, happy memories of holidays with Granny. I feel sure They left Livadia with some sorrow and always looked forward to a return visit.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: PAVLOV on June 01, 2011, 07:58:35 AM
I think you may be confusing Livadia with another Palace. Livadia is completely Italianate, and definately does not look like Balmoral.  Google Livadia / Yalta and you will see. i cannot remember the name of the other Palace you may be referring to, but it is a rather tasteless mess of Gothic and other styles all mixed up together. i think it is the Voronysov Palace you saw.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: feodorovna on June 01, 2011, 02:17:52 PM
PAVLOV. I hastened to find my 2006 diary and on a very cold, wet Friday November 3rd we visited Livadia Palace. Also mentioned is the Palace of the British delegation which I presume to be the somewhat "tasteless mess of Gothic" otherwise known as Voronysov!! I also seem to remember a "pride" of lions, frozen in stone!!! Many thanks for unravelling my brain cells.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: PAVLOV on June 02, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
My spelling of the name was incorrect. It is the Vorontsov Palace. Personally I think it is a very ugly building, an architectural mess. During WWll it was one of the Palaces chosen by Stalin as accommodation for the British delegations to the Yalta meeting. Rooseveldt and his mob stayed at Livadia, where the daily meetings were held, because the President was in a wheelchair, and the lower floor of the Livadia palace, including the Conference Room were on the same level, which made it easier for him to move about. he was already a very sick man and months away from death at the time.

Churchill and his delegation stayed at the Vorontsov palace, which they soon discovered was "bugged' by the Soviets. So every conversation they had at the dining room table was recorded by the KGB. The British delegation found out because one evening one of the delegates mentioned the fact that there were no lemons for the drinks. The next day the conservatory was filled with potted lemon trees !!
So they tested their theory and the next evening someone said how curious it was that there were so many empty aquarium tanks around the palace, but that there were no fish in them. The next day the tanks were filled with water and exotic fish !

I find it amazing how intrinsically stupid the Soviets were, even when it comes to small insignificant things like this, they gave themselves away.

Anyway, I think its quite an interesting story.
The carved lions you mention are at the foot of a staircase that leads down from the house to the gardens.   
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Brassov on June 11, 2012, 07:05:11 AM
This topic seems to have died.  I have noticed some rather beautiful buildings on the Livadia Estate, not far from the Palace. I am wondering if anyone knows anything about them ? Were they accommodation for the court, or were they perhaps guest accommodation ? Who lived in them? Does anyone have any photographs ? I have been Googling like crazy but cannot find any information.
Thank You.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 18, 2012, 10:07:10 AM
Paul Gilbert just posted the latest findings on the restoration of Livadia Palace:

Unique Discoveries Found During Restoration of Livadia Palace

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/505news.html
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: IvanVII on August 19, 2012, 01:30:20 AM
Great news for another great link to history.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: EmmyLee on August 22, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
It's great to read some news about Livadia! I hadn't realized that it had gotten into such bad shape, but then, I've never been there before and have only seen photos of the palace and its interior. I'm sort of surprised that they restored the lift-- I would be very surprised if they actually let visitors use it-- maybe they'll do demonstrations on how it works?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 23, 2013, 04:05:18 PM
On the night of 5/6 July 1942 the Soviet air force launched a bombing raid on Livadia hoping to kill a number of German officers who were celebrating the fall of Sevastopol there. The officers fled to the basemnet during the raid. The bombs supposedly killed a number of drivers waiting outside. Does anyone know if the palace recieved any damage during this or any other raids during WW II/GPW? (GPW Great Patriotic War).
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on August 27, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
OTMA's Bookcase Returned to Livadia

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1449368
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: IvanVII on August 27, 2013, 08:10:14 PM
I wonder where they found it......It's amazing that after all this time, it stilll matches the paneling perfectly
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Rodney_G. on August 28, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
OTMA's Bookcase Returned to Livadia

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1449368

Sweet! I have my biases, I admit, but I prefer to see displays of the Grand Duchesses' classroom than to see and think of those rooms as occupied during the Yalta conference of February, 1945, when that room would likely have been occupied by some  middle-aged Allied diplomat or military officers, American, British,or Soviet, intent on reconfiguring Europe in some unnatural way, to their respective advantages, and not doing such a great job, IMHO, though that's another topic for sure.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Michael HR on August 29, 2013, 06:13:58 AM
I know when I get around to visiting Russia Livadia will be on my plans.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: IvanVII on August 29, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
OTMA's Bookcase Returned to Livadia

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1449368

Sweet! I have my biases, I admit, but I prefer to see displays of the Grand Duchesses' classroom than to see and think of those rooms as occupied during the Yalta conference of February, 1945, when that room would likely have been occupied by some  middle-aged Allied diplomat or military officers, American, British,or Soviet, intent on reconfiguring Europe in some unnatural way, to their respective advantages, and not doing such a great job, IMHO, though that's another topic for sure.
If the room was occupied it most likely would have been an American as Livadia is where Roosevelt stayed in addition to where most of the talks were held.

The point you bring up is one of the things that must constantly vex museum curators. Livadia, personal home built by the last Russian Emperor vs. host of Yalta an important historical event.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 30, 2013, 11:59:46 AM
Quote

The point you bring up is one of the things that must constantly vex museum curators. Livadia, personal home built by the last Russian Emperor vs. host of Yalta an important historical event.

Yes, every respective museum head there has had to face that issue.

When we were there once in 1976, the poor guide didn't know her material very well and kept mixing up who was who in the large painting of the Conference members in the main ball room.
We had the son of the former US ambassador to the USSR with us, and he kept correcting the poor woman.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Clemence on March 25, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
I never thought of the name Livadia, that indeed always seemed somehow familiar to me, but tonight I descovered that the name was forst given at the estate by the Greek Lambros Katsonis, who named the land granded to him by the zar after a Greek failed revolt against the Turks. The name was given in honour of the Greek city of Livadeia.

Quote
Formerly granted to Lambros Katsonis and later a possession of the Potocki family, the Livadia estate became a summer residence of the Russian imperial family in the 1860s, when architect Ippolito Monighetti built a large palace, a small palace, and a church there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadia_Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadia_Palace)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadeia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadeia)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: lilianna on April 02, 2014, 06:04:25 AM
Restoration dvortsa.Video Livadia. News on April 6.

http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/881439/
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on May 19, 2014, 09:06:17 AM
I never thought of the name Livadia, that indeed always seemed somehow familiar to me, but tonight I descovered that the name was forst given at the estate by the Greek Lambros Katsonis, who named the land granded to him by the zar after a Greek failed revolt against the Turks. The name was given in honour of the Greek city of Livadeia.

Quote
Formerly granted to Lambros Katsonis and later a possession of the Potocki family, the Livadia estate became a summer residence of the Russian imperial family in the 1860s, when architect Ippolito Monighetti built a large palace, a small palace, and a church there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadia_Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadia_Palace)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadeia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livadeia)

Well, there is another interesting link between the Greek and Russian Livadias:

The Greek monastic saint, Seraphim of Livadia -- his feast-day falls on the birthday of Tsar Nicholas II: May 6th, O. S.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Seraphim_of_Livadeia
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: lunasolem on July 29, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/mrqq2g.jpg)
Livadia in 1912.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on February 18, 2015, 05:29:16 PM
Various views of the old Livadia palace c1860s - 1890s:

http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-65.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-67.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-72.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-36.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-37.jpg

Livadia - Suite House:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-40.jpg

Livadia - Ministerial house and kitchen:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-41.jpg

Livadia Stables:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-42.jpg

Livadia Greenhouses:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-73.jpg

Livadia Bathing Pavilions:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-81.jpg

Livadia - Small Palace - cross marks spot where AIII died:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-85.jpg

Livadia New Palace - Drawing Krasnov 1910:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-100.jpg

Livadia New Palace - Building 1910-11:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-103.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-104.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-105.jpg

c1912 & Interiors:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-108.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-109.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-110.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-112.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-113.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-114.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-115.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-116.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-117.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-118.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-119.jpg
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-120.jpg

From the book: Romanovs and the Crimea
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/books/romanovy-i-krym.html

Joanna

Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sanochka on February 19, 2015, 05:16:33 PM
Joanna, thank you so much for posting these pictures.  I hadn't seen many of them before.  The curving stairway is arresting, and the photo of Alexis' bedroom heart wrenching.  I liked the stables, too.  Are they still there?
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: amelia on February 19, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
I was there in June 2013. The Palace is very beautiful and the park and gardens are simply fabulous. I keep telling myself that I went there in good time...

Amelia
(Eva McDonald)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on February 20, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
I liked the stables, too.  Are they still there?

Thanks Sanochka. You started my curiosity - what happened to the various buildings. I found that the stables are now a restaurant:
http://lynxlander.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/533/4428

Look at this - the Turkish pavilion:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-43.jpg
and today:
http://lynxlander.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/533/7517

Joanna
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: TimM on February 20, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
Can tourists still visit, since the Russian annexation of the Crimea.  I would imagine Russia would welcome the money the tours would bring in.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sanochka on February 22, 2015, 01:21:18 AM
I liked the stables, too.  Are they still there?

Thanks Sanochka. You started my curiosity - what happened to the various buildings. I found that the stables are now a restaurant:
http://lynxlander.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/533/4428

Look at this - the Turkish pavilion:
http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-43.jpg
and today:
http://lynxlander.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/533/7517

Joanna

Wow!  I'm so glad the stables found a use that allows for their preservation.  It's good to see, too, that the Turkish Pavilion has been preserved.  I couldn't tell from the photo angle whether the pavilion still sits atop the rugged base seen in the old black & white photo. 

While looking at the photos, I opened the pics of Livadia Palace with snow covering the grounds.  I was shocked, since it never occurred to me that it snows in the Crimea. 

Again, thank you, Joanna, for posting these intriguing pictures.
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Cathy on February 26, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
Joanna

Thanks so much for the pictures - they are absolutely stunning. Want to go  :)

 Cathy
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Joanna on March 07, 2015, 05:22:35 PM
Oh dear, while translating Livadia archival materials I was easily sidetracked when finding these incredible photos of the new palace:

http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/03.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/04.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/05.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/06.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/02.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/01.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/07.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/14.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/18.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/23.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/26.jpg
http://www.livadiapalace.crimea.com/images/27.jpg
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Floor Plan:
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1. Lobby
2. State Dining Room
3. Study
4. Reception
5. Billiard
6. Italian Courtyard
7. Arabic patio
8. Holy Cross house church
9. Cabinet of the Emperor
10. Bedroom Their Imperial Majesties
11. Library
12. Cabinet of Empress
13. Drawing Room of Empress
14. Small Dining Room
15. Classroom Grand Duchesses

Joanna


Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Bryndis on June 05, 2015, 01:55:03 AM
Does anyone know what this room is called? (Livadia Palace)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/1914%20ca%20autumn%20livadia_zps7xwwjake.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/1914%20ca%20autumn%20livadia_zps7xwwjake.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/1911-6_zps3ckfqxk9.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/1911-6_zps3ckfqxk9.jpg.html)
Title: The Imperial Bedroom at Livadia Palace (photos)
Post by: Bryndis on June 05, 2015, 02:07:54 AM
Photos from the Imperial bedroom. Got any more?

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/be6d1a17ddb1t_zpsssiufvuv.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/be6d1a17ddb1t_zpsssiufvuv.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/NampAbedroom_zps8bkabdqy.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/NampAbedroom_zps8bkabdqy.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/1-118_zpszuaahw3t.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/1-118_zpszuaahw3t.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Livadia/6af66173d6_54237942_v1_zpsstdbalj0.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Livadia/6af66173d6_54237942_v1_zpsstdbalj0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
Post by: Sanochka on June 05, 2015, 11:57:11 PM
Judging from the windows, I'd say it's either Alexandra's drawing room or the Grand Duchesses' sitting room.
Title: Re: The Imperial Bedroom at Livadia Palace (photos)
Post by: Sanochka on June 06, 2015, 12:02:50 AM
Great pictures! 

I've seen many pictures of Alexandra reclining on various couches and chaises lounges, but this is the first I think I've ever seen of her actually laying in her own bed.

Thanks for posting!