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Title: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Mat_from_Poland on June 07, 2004, 04:30:08 AM
Welcome all!!!
I would like to know everything about this houses of grand dukes: where they are located, who lives there, how they look today and what is their current state. I will be very greatfull for some pictrues posting here.
Thanks
Mat_from_PolandP.S. sorry for my terrible english
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Charles on June 07, 2004, 01:04:44 PM
Znamenskoe belonged to Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (the elder) and is located, I believe, to the east of Peterhof.  Mikhailovskoe belonged to Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich and is located to the west of Peterhof.  Not much of either is left.  Not sure where Grushevka is.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Mike on June 07, 2004, 02:07:05 PM
Both Znamenka and Mikhailovka are refurbished and used as suburban hotels / resorts.
Grushevka, which belonged to GD Nikolay Mikhailovich, is in the Ukraine near Nikopol (Dnepropetrovsk - former Ekaterinoslav - region), and is now called Pokrovka.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Reco on June 09, 2005, 06:55:23 PM

http://globus.tut.by/grushevka/

"Grushevka, which belonged to GD Nikolay Mikhailovich, is in the Ukraine near Nikopol (Dnepropetrovsk - former Ekaterinoslav - region), and is now called Pokrovka."
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: BobG on June 10, 2005, 05:46:29 AM
Znamenka was eventually owned by Grand Duke Peter Nicholaevitch and Militsa.  Nicholas and Alexander often met Rasputin there.
There is also a Novo-Zamenka on the Peterfof road wh
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Macedonsky on October 12, 2005, 11:43:10 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/macedonsky/IMG_9118.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/macedonsky/IMG_9114.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/macedonsky/IMG_9115.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/macedonsky/IMG_9126.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 03:40:27 AM
The Palace in Mikhailovka , in the estate of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich and his sons. How the Palace and its interiors looked in the early 1900s.

The Palace (was built in 1857-1862)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/mikhailovkaPalace.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 03:43:03 AM
The Palace in Mikhailovka.

Reception of Grand Duchess Olga Fedorovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/ReceptionroomGDssOlga.jpg)

Main Drawing Room

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/MainDrawignRoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 03:45:11 AM
Dining Room

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/DiningRoom.jpg)

Bedroom of Grand Duke and Grand Duchess

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Bedroom.jpg)

Ball room

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/Ballroom.jpg)

Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 03:59:02 AM
The finery of the interiors was being preserved till 1919, and in 1941 the Palace was destroyed and reconstructed in the 1960s.
The Palace is two-storied, the Main rooms were on the ground floor, the Private appartments were on the 1st floor.It's interesting that GD Nikolay Mikhailovich (eldest son the GD Mikhail ) had the most of own rooms on the 1st floor while his brothers GD Mikhail Mikhailovich had only 2 rooms (Reception room and Bedroom), GD Georgiy Mikhailovich had 5 rooms, GD Alexey Mikhailovich (who died young) had 5 rooms and the famous Sandro aka GD Alexander Mikhailovich had only 1 room (Bedroom) as he was a rare guest at home.

I have a floorplan of the ground floor, if someone would like to see it, I'll post. :)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Linnea on June 12, 2006, 09:55:41 AM
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The finery of the interiors was being preserved till 1919, and in 1941 the Palace was destroyed and reconstructed in the 1960s.
The Palace is two-storied, the Main rooms were on the ground floor, the Private appartments were on the 1st floor.It's interesting that GD Nikolay Mikhailovich (eldest son the GD Mikhail ) had the most of own rooms on the 1st floor while his brothers GD Mikhail Mikhailovich had only 2 rooms (Reception room and Bedroom), GD Georgiy Mikhailovich had 5 rooms, GD Alexey Mikhailovich (who died young) had 5 rooms and the famous Sandro aka GD Alexander Mikhailovich had only 1 room (Bedroom) as he was a rare guest at home.
Did GD Serge Michailovich have no rooms at all?

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I have a floorplan of the ground floor, if someone would like to see it, I'll post. :)
Of course! :)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: BobG on June 12, 2006, 10:27:25 AM
Svetabel,

Do we have to even ask about the floorplans??? Any time there is a floorplan to be shared, we absolutely HAVE TO SEE IT!!!

Please share as you do with your wonderful pictures!

BobG
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 11:03:54 AM
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The finery of the interiors was being preserved till 1919, and in 1941 the Palace was destroyed and reconstructed in the 1960s.
The Palace is two-storied, the Main rooms were on the ground floor, the Private appartments were on the 1st floor.It's interesting that GD Nikolay Mikhailovich (eldest son the GD Mikhail ) had the most of own rooms on the 1st floor while his brothers GD Mikhail Mikhailovich had only 2 rooms (Reception room and Bedroom), GD Georgiy Mikhailovich had 5 rooms, GD Alexey Mikhailovich (who died young) had 5 rooms and the famous Sandro aka GD Alexander Mikhailovich had only 1 room (Bedroom) as he was a rare guest at home.
Did GD Serge Michailovich have no rooms at all?


 :) Of course GD Sergey did not live in the street. I just forgot about him ::) He had 5 rooms.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 11:05:24 AM
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Svetabel,

Do we have to even ask about the floorplans??? Any time there is a floorplan to be shared, we absolutely HAVE TO SEE IT!!!

Ok, ok! :) I just need time for digging out the plan!
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Linnea on June 12, 2006, 11:13:53 AM
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:) Of course GD Sergey did not live in the street.
;D
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2006, 02:08:52 PM
The plan of the ground floor of the Palace in Mikhailovka

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/MIKHAILOVKA_groundfloor.jpg
)


1 - Front Way
2 - Hall
3 - Vestibule
4 - Front Staircase
5 - Reception Room of Grand Duke
6 - Dancing Hall (Ball room)
7 - Gallery (passage)
8 - Drawing Room
9 - Reception Room of Grand Duchess
10 - Room for Needle work (of Grand Duchess)
11 - Boudoir
12 - Bedroom
13 - Dressing Room of Grand Duchess
14 - Working Study of Grand Duke
15 - Billiard Room
16 - Dining Room
17 - Butlery
18 - Room for servants (for those who served at the table)
19 - Gallery of Pompei
20 - Floral Gallery

So, I was not correct in my previous post saying that on the ground floor were only the Main Rooms.
As we see there were the appartments of Grand Duke Mikhail and Grand Duchess Olga there, and the rooms of their suite and their sons were on the 1st floor.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Reco on June 12, 2006, 09:36:59 PM
MIKHAILOVKA

(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1443/untitled113pn.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: BobG on June 13, 2006, 05:57:22 AM
Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 13, 2006, 11:18:39 AM
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Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G

Bob,
The Russian text on the picture says about architect Bosse, who built the palace in Mikhailovka in 1857-1862. In fact there is a difference in Russian between MIKHAILOVKA and MIKHAILOVSKOYE, but in this case MIKHAILOVKA=MIKHAILOVSKOYE as it's only the difference in spelling, well, MIKHAILOVKA as a familiar form of MIKHAILOVSKOYE ESTATE, a shorter name  :). For example Grand Duke Petr Nikolayevich often called his estate not  Znamenka but ZNAMENSKOYE.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: gleb on June 13, 2006, 01:34:53 PM
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Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G


It is the same building don't you see the plan (numbers 16, 8, 9) and the tower at the right corner of the old pic?
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Reco on June 13, 2006, 02:04:07 PM
BobG,

I do not remember where I found this document pdf. I lost the original. There remains to me right 2 photographs. I am sorry.

 I will dispatch you a photograph of an original page. Perhaps that one will manage to find the document.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: BobG on June 14, 2006, 05:37:37 AM
Reco,
I kept looking and found I was wrong!  That shoud teach me not to rely on memory! Your picture was in a document about Peterhof.
That, along with Svetabel's explaination on the variety of Russian names (always a source of confusion for me!), has clarified this photo as being Mikhailovka.  
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
Bob G
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Mike on June 14, 2006, 10:03:53 AM
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The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.
"Mikhailovskoye" may be a place name (like that of the Pushkin family's estate), but may also mean "relating to/belonging to Mikhail/Mikhailovka/Mikhailovo". The Russain caption on the photo "V Mikhailovskom imenii... " is definitely the latter case, otherwise it would read "V imenii Mikhailovskom ..."

Therefore the English translation is incorrect.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on June 14, 2006, 01:07:03 PM
I own this document with the photo(of the estate) but I don't know how to send it...

Svetabel have ever been in the estate since it has been turned into an hotel?

Znamenskoye has not benn entirely restored ,is taht right?
Vassili
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 14, 2006, 11:53:37 PM
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Svetabel have ever been in the estate since it has been turned into an hotel?

Znamenskoye has not benn entirely restored ,is taht right?
Vassili

I've never been inside the Mikhalovka palace. :( Just looked at it outside.

Znamenka is a week-end hotel too, of course it's not restored entirely.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/mikhaeastfas.jpg)

The East facade of the Mikhailovka palce in the end of the 1890s.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2006, 02:49:49 PM
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The finery of the interiors was being preserved till 1919, and in 1941 the Palace was destroyed and reconstructed in the 1960s.
The Palace is two-storied, the Main rooms were on the ground floor, the Private appartments were on the 1st floor.It's interesting that GD Nikolay Mikhailovich (eldest son the GD Mikhail ) had the most of own rooms on the 1st floor while his brothers GD Mikhail Mikhailovich had only 2 rooms (Reception room and Bedroom), GD Georgiy Mikhailovich had 5 rooms, GD Alexey Mikhailovich (who died young) had 5 rooms and the famous Sandro aka GD Alexander Mikhailovich had only 1 room (Bedroom) as he was a rare guest at home.
Did GD Serge Michailovich have no rooms at all?


 :) Of course GD Sergey did not live in the street. I just forgot about him ::) He had 5 rooms.

Stupid me  :) also forgot to tell that GD Sergey Mikhailovitch was the last owner of the Mikhailovka palace. He had rooms on the upper floor of the Palace in its Minor part. I mean that the Palace was divided in 2 parts - Grand Palace and Minor Palace. Look at the plan of the upper floor

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/mikhaupperfloor.jpg)

You can see the Grand Palace and Minor (at the bottom of the pic). Unfortunatlely the source does not explain the names of the rooms. >:(
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: xirbis on June 21, 2006, 07:07:24 PM
so it was GD Serge M. who owned the palace before the Revolution? I always thought that the primary user was GD Georgi M. and his family... In that case, did GD Georgi have a sort of a family nest in the countryside (close to the capital?)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Joanna on December 06, 2006, 09:08:30 PM
Another view of the Mikhailovka Palace:
http://www.encspb.ru/ru/bigimage.php?kod=2803982174

And Znamenka Palace:
http://www.encspb.ru/ru/bigimage.php?kod=2803987994

Znamenka Palace Hotel site:
http://www.znamenka.spb.ru/
Interior photo:
www.znamenka.spb.ru/uploads/pics/history1.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: hikaru on March 28, 2007, 03:21:00 AM
Very good statue remained at the entrance of Znamenka house.
I suppose, that it is good to stay at Znamenka at the beginning of the summer.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 29, 2007, 06:39:29 PM
Does the stable of the place have been restored from the moment the pics were taken?

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/113/index_e.html

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/jun06_3583.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/jun06_3577.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: gleb on February 10, 2008, 07:03:58 AM
This should be Grushevka, it is in very bad conditions, but the frescoes are well kept. It must have been a fascinating place.

http://picasaweb.google.com/zmicier.bel/08042007/photo#5051525340289558642 (http://picasaweb.google.com/zmicier.bel/08042007/photo#5051525340289558642)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on February 10, 2008, 10:48:41 AM
This should be Grushevka, it is in very bad conditions, but the frescoes are well kept. It must have been a fascinating place.

http://picasaweb.google.com/zmicier.bel/08042007/photo#5051525340289558642 (http://picasaweb.google.com/zmicier.bel/08042007/photo#5051525340289558642)

That is not Grushevka of the Mikhailovichi. Your link is about the estate of the Reytans. The Grushevka where GD Nikolay M. had been exiled was renamed as Pokrovka.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: amedeo on February 10, 2008, 02:27:54 PM

http://globus.tut.by/grushevka/

"Grushevka, which belonged to GD Nikolay Mikhailovich, is in the Ukraine near Nikopol (Dnepropetrovsk - former Ekaterinoslav - region), and is now called Pokrovka."

Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: gleb on February 10, 2008, 02:45:41 PM
The building of the link I posted is the same of that old link, and, as nobody had corrected it, I thought it was the right place.

Who were the Reytans, and why was Grushevka renamed Pokrovka? Are there photos of this place?
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on February 11, 2008, 01:19:29 AM
The building of the link I posted is the same of that old link, and, as nobody had corrected it, I thought it was the right place.

Who were the Reytans, and why was Grushevka renamed Pokrovka? Are there photos of this place?

Actually I can't find an explanation of renaming Grushevka into Pokrovka, also I've not seen any photos of the place as it was in the XIX century.

Tadeush Reytan was a famous Polish politician of the XVIII cent. He lived in the house (you posted the link) and died there.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on May 28, 2008, 07:54:28 AM
Mikhailovka. Photos of 2001-2003

http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/prig/mihaylovka.html (http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/prig/mihaylovka.html)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on May 28, 2008, 07:56:25 AM
Znamenka. Photos of 2001-2003 years

http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/prig/znamenka.html (http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/prig/znamenka.html)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2009, 12:44:40 PM
Mikhailovka in the 1890s


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/7.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/4.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/2.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/372e4353.jpg)


And now a bird-view

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/5.jpg)



Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: amelia on January 19, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
Are these hotels in center St. Petersburgh? Thanks Amelia
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on January 20, 2009, 01:02:58 AM
Are these hotels in center St. Petersburgh? Thanks Amelia

No, the Mikhailovka estate is near Peterhof.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on July 16, 2011, 04:21:29 AM
Znamenka, ground floor

http://i54.tinypic.com/2zpkwll.jpg (http://i54.tinypic.com/2zpkwll.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Svetabel on July 16, 2011, 04:25:42 AM
Mikhailovka

Eastern Facade - sketch by architect Bosse

http://i56.tinypic.com/izqr28.jpg (http://i56.tinypic.com/izqr28.jpg)

Southern Facade - sketch by architect Bosse

http://i56.tinypic.com/izqr28.jpg (http://i56.tinypic.com/izqr28.jpg)

Eastern Facade in 1882

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag2agp.jpg (http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag2agp.jpg)

Garden and pergola in 1900s

http://i55.tinypic.com/166i3qh.jpg (http://i55.tinypic.com/166i3qh.jpg)
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on July 14, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
From my personnal collection :

The farm house in Znamenka estate : ( in french -and russian- on the postcard : " Peterhof , métairie à Snamenka ").

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/07/14//1507140332085012513442799.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1507140332085012513442799.jpg)
©alexandre mikhaelovitch
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Joanna on April 03, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Znamenka Palace near Peterhof:

Click on the aerial photograph of Znamenka Palace in the link below to view detailed maps of Peterhof, Znamenka and Mikhailovka

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/04/znamenka-palace-near-peterhof.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Sanochka on April 03, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
Great pictures, Joanna!  I especially liked the 1898 map of the complex, complete with setting of Lower Dacha.  The palace is beautiful though it, and especially the stables, looks in need of repair.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on April 03, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
Thanks so much Joanna for posting this info on Znamenka and Mikhialovksa! About 10 years ago I was lucky to roam around the Znamenka grounds, and I'll try to post a few of my photos. I just love all your historical information -- please keep it up!
Tatyana
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Joanna on April 24, 2018, 06:23:43 PM
Thank you very much Sanochka and Tatyana!

Sanochka, I was amazed to realize the size of the palace shown in the map. It was difficult to see when we drove past.

Tatyana I would love to see your photos. Did you go into the Church?

Joanna
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on April 24, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
My visit was in September 2007, and the church wasn't open.
I'll try to post some photos soon: not easy to find the directions!
Please keep up your research and posts. I love Russia Before & After, which has been a theme of my many trips there over the last 20+years -- but mine are nowhere nearly so good as yours.
Tatyana
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Forum Admin on April 25, 2018, 02:52:12 AM
"not easy to find the directions" to post photos? HUH??? The SECOND PINNED POST in "New Users Read First Please" is "POSTING PHOTOGRAPHS". "Not easy to find"??  Seriously??   http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=771.0
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Joanna on April 25, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
I love Russia Before & After, which has been a theme of my many trips there over the last 20+years Tatyana

Tatyana,

I would love to read of your trips and research on Before & After. Do you have a blog? What is your main topic of research?

The history of Znamenka Palace is waiting to be revealed. Historians are hopefully delving into the archives.

I am currently (very slowly when I have some minutes) translating guidebooks on St. Petersburg from 1790s and 1850s that are amazing. Send me a message with your email if you would like me to share them to assist your own research.

Joanna
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on April 25, 2018, 10:21:45 PM
Yes, seriously, it's not easy to find the photo posting directions.  I have posted (about my mother-in-law's sister-in-law, Audrey Emery & family) on and followed this list for many, many years mostly without logging in, hence my status as a "Newbie."  So "New Users Read First Please" is not something that an Old User who has forgotten how to post photos gravitates to.
A little more graciousness from the Forum Administrator towards forgetful Old Users I think would be nice.
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on April 25, 2018, 10:45:12 PM
Joanna,
Thanks for your kind reply. My pastime is travelling to Russia/Ukraine and photographing contemporary views matching pre-1918 postcards. I've been at this since 1979, and now have a large postcard/photograph collection, but since the field is so large, my efforts are still spotty, even after all these years. I've used the Baedeker guides and some old Russia travel memoirs to find places. I'm of the generation whose grandparents left Russia pre-1918.
Presently, no blog, but perhaps in the future.
I'll try to send you a message (without running afoul of the Forum Administrator!)
Tatyana
Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 08:04:40 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 08:34:55 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 09:18:10 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 09:22:24 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 15, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 21, 2018, 09:26:23 PM
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Title: Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
Post by: Tatyana on June 21, 2018, 09:34:49 PM
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