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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in St. Petersburg => Topic started by: Almedingen on February 14, 2004, 01:25:07 PM

Title: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Almedingen on February 14, 2004, 01:25:07 PM
Does Grand Duchess' Xenia's palace seem small to you?  When I first saw it, that was my impression of it considering the fact that she had seven children.

Does anyone know how large it really is or if it has wings off of the back of it?
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Greg_King on February 14, 2004, 05:17:43 PM
If you're standing on the Moika front looking in, it does look small-but behind, out of view-there are wings that wrap round a courtyard.  I don't know how many rooms there are, but from the rear it certainly looks large enough to house nine people!

Greg King
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: NAAOTMA on May 06, 2004, 10:02:05 AM
What is the location/address of Xenia and Sandro's palace in St. Petersburg? Want to add it to my list of places to see this summer in St. Petersburg. Thanks for helping me out with this. Melissa K.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 06, 2004, 11:23:04 AM
Hello Melissa!

It´s located in Moika embarkment 106, nearby the Yussupov Palace.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Janet_Ashton on May 06, 2004, 01:48:06 PM
Just to add...from what I recall, the address isn't immediately apparent, so it helps if you know what the Palace looks like. In case not: it is set back from the road, and on a marble plinth with a double flight of stairs leading up to the front of it. Pretty much opposite is the island with the New Holland Arch and the ruins of overground warehouses around. The area is slightly seedy, but then it always was.
Alexei Alexandrovich's palace is a little further on.

Janet

Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: NAAOTMA on May 06, 2004, 03:17:57 PM
Thanks so much, Antonio and Janet! I am going to drive my guide to distraction and exhaustion with 18 hour days, but this info is great! And the next question, Janet, is: where is AA's palace a bit further down-if it is not too much trouble. I getting a notebook together to take on the trip.  Melissa K.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Janet_Ashton on May 06, 2004, 05:34:45 PM
Alexei Alexandrovich is at 122 Moika Embankment....a rather wild turreted building with overgrown courtyard.  Half the garden got sold off for a sweet factory ca. 1910...

Have fun!

J.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on May 23, 2005, 03:06:29 PM
(http://img21.echo.cx/img21/6127/pxeniaetalexandre001600stpeter.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: gleb on May 25, 2005, 02:01:58 PM
Quote
(http://img21.echo.cx/img21/6127/pxeniaetalexandre001600stpeter.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)



As far as I can see it is not the same building of the old corps des pages. Isn't it.
But where did Ksenia live, in  the old Vorontsov palace (corps des pages) or where else?

Thanks
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on May 25, 2005, 02:58:17 PM
GD Ksenia palace is located in 106 Moika embarkment, nearby the Yussupov Palace, not in 108  Moika embarkment.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 26, 2005, 07:51:35 AM
Reco,
The Guidebook I had for St Petersburg lists Xenia's Palace as 108 Moyka.
This was another Vorontsov Palace in St Petersburg.  The Corps des Pages was an earlier Voronstov Palace locatred on Sadovaya Ulitsa, 26 and was occupied by the Corps des Pages from 1810.
Bob G
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on May 26, 2005, 01:12:18 PM
My english is very bad but I can see the difference in
my photo and your photo and the difference in number 106 and 108. Next time you go back to St Petersbug, take a picture of the 106 Moika Embarkment.

You can see the Ksenia ( Xenia)  palace in the Alexander palace memories. This is the same palace I post the photo. This facade is on the Moika embarkment so it will be at the number 106 if your photo is the number 108.

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/memories/

You can see the Corps des Pages in the Wandering
Camera album 302. This is the same palace I post the photo. The Corps des Pages is not located on the Moika
embarkment.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/302/index_e.html

Sorry about that...

Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2005, 06:13:45 AM
HELP!
I am soooo Confused about Xenia's Palace.  The Lonely Planet Guide to St Petersburg lists it at 108 Moika.
In The Hidden Interiors, the authors say it is now the Legaft Sports Institute, which the St Petersburg Yellow pages lists at 108 Moika embankment.  
The AP pictures show the Palace with the granite stairs which I am sure I did not see from the embankment when I was looking for Xenia's palace.  Never having Noticed the difference in numbers (106-108 ) I have always assumed that the pictures on the AP site Reco mentioned was taken in the courtyard and mine was taken on the embankment.  Can anyone help me out an d does anyone have a picture of Xenia's palace from the embankment?
Thanks to all
BobG
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Mike on May 27, 2005, 09:28:50 AM
Let me clear the mess a bit. Here (http://www.statedevelopment.spb.ru/pix/files/3845397cb6a14/i02726a_2.JPG) is GD Xenia's mansion at 106, Moika Enbankment / 35, Dekabristov St. The house was initially built by H. Monighetti for Countess M.V. Vorontsov, then purchased for Xenia and rebuilt in 1895 by renown Russian (his name notwithstanding) architect Count Nicholas de Rochefort. It belongs now to the Lesghaft Sports Academy.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2005, 09:48:13 AM
Mike,
Is your picture taken from the Moika or from Dekabristov street?  Can it be seen from the embankment?
Is my picture above not the Sports Institute?
Thanks for your help.
Bob
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Mike on May 27, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
Quote
Is your picture taken from the Moika or from Dekabristov street?  
Neither. It is from within the courtyard that may be entered from Moika, just opposite the New Holland complex. The building can be seen from the enbankment through a fine gate with Xenia's monograms.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2005, 12:23:00 PM
Mike,
Thanks so much for the great picture of Xenia's gate.
I cannot imagine how I walked down the Moika embankment looking for her palace and did not see this beautiful gate.  I wonder if it was covered or being restored when I was there in 2002?
I'm really disappointed that the picture I took wasn't Xenia's palace, but at least now I'll know for the future.
Appreciate all your help.
BobG
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Mike on May 27, 2005, 02:09:17 PM
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 I wonder if it was covered or being restored when I was there in 2002?

Very probably. The gate looks suspiciously intact, I think is was installed quite recently.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on May 27, 2005, 09:48:18 PM
The Yussupov Palace : view from the roof of the St Isaac's Cathedral. I suppose the Knesia Palace was
in the dirextion I make one X in a "cercle"...

(http://img126.echo.cx/img126/45/pyusupovskymoika0021024afromst1.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: rgt9w on May 28, 2005, 11:24:20 AM
Bob G,

Don't feel too terrible. I made the same mistake with the same guidebook that listed Xenia's palace as #108.
I ended up with essentially the same photo as you.

I wish I had found this thread prior to visiting St. Petersburg.

RGT9W
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 28, 2005, 12:40:16 PM
RGT9W
I didn't even see this gate, or the palace behind it, and as I was looking purposefully for a palace, I can't imagine that I would miss it.
I do remember the 108 building seemed in the middle of renovation.  I did walk into the courtyard next to 108 and I can't remember if the small Xenia palace (106) was part of it.  Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos in the courtyard.
Do you remember seeing this gate?
Bob
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: rgt9w on May 29, 2005, 12:18:11 AM
Bob,

I don't remember seeing the gate either. However, the day I was looking for the palace, the street was fairly crowded with teenagers. Perhaps the schools had just let out when I got there. Plus, I was very focused on finding #108 since that was what the guidebook listed as the address. But as you mentioned, the building at #108 looked like a palace, so I assumed it was the correct one. Plus it was undergoing renovation. It wasn't until I returned home that I found out Xenia's palace was located at #106.

If I ever have the opportunity to go back to Petersburg, I'll have to look into this again. Obviously, I missed out.

I will look through my photos to see if I caught the gates on film.

Roy (RGT9W)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on May 29, 2005, 06:44:06 AM
Roy,
Exactly my experience.  I've always assumed the photos people were posting of Xenia's palace (the real one) were on the courtyard side of the building I had photographed.  Also, since many address in Russia seem to have double numbers, I assumed the 106/108 wasn't a big deal.
I did get further down the Moika and saw Grand Duke Alexei's palace,  though.  I even went around the back to see the garden facade.  So it wasn't a total loss.
Let me know if you find some pictures of the gate.
Thanks,
Bob
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Arleen on May 29, 2005, 03:52:47 PM
I love the picture taken from the roof of St. Isaac's!!  Can anyone point out any more landmarks??  In the foreground there seems to be a palace or mansion behind the large statue.....and that seems to be a rather large street too.  Anything at all that can be pointed out is so thrilling!!
..Arleen
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: rgt9w on May 30, 2005, 08:53:56 AM
Bob,

I looked through my pictures last night. I had one angled shot down the street, but could not discern the gates to the courtyard. I've noted a couple of people saying the gates to the courtyard sit directly across the New Holland Complex. I remember crossing the street the look at the New Holland Arch. There was a crowd of people on the opposite side of the street. Perhaps they were standing in front of the gates and I didn't realize it.  If memory serves me correctly, the numbering on the street was a little confusing so I was mainly looking for numbers (at the time Building 108  ) and it is possible I walked by it since it set back from the Moika Embankment Roadway. Sorry, I couldn't find a pic of the gates.

Roy
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: gleb on May 30, 2005, 01:18:41 PM
This the extract of a map I found (if someone has a better one....)

As you can see there are the 106 Moika enbankment and under it there is 35 Dekabristov ulitsa.

As far as I have understood Ksenia's palace has two facades, one in the Moika with that marvellious gate and forecourt we saw in the pics. And another one in the Dekabristov ulitsa.
But as the Dekabristov facade is coloured dark brown, that makes me think that maybe it is the main facade of the palace.

Is it possible? Are there pics of this side?

Another thing I notice is how deep the palace must be, as you can see from the map.

What is that structure in the centre of this block?




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Russia/map1.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Mike on May 30, 2005, 01:32:19 PM
The Xenia's mansion is not shown at all on this map. The sand-yellow colored area denotes the sports academy's inner territory that contains backyards and several buildings, including the mansion. The pink ellipse is the academy's athletic hall.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: gleb on May 30, 2005, 01:37:50 PM
Thanks Mike,

In fact I thought that  several buildings were missing in the map. Anyway the palace has the space to be very large and wide.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Valmont on June 23, 2005, 06:09:12 PM
The house seems rather small compared to other palaces. This is one thing I do not get. Most palaces are from Grand Dukes and they are HUGE.They were really wealthy and I know Romanov women sometimes married and  left Russia, but what about the ones who stayed and married within Russia?? (were there any?)
On the oher hand,  Sandro was a Wealthy GD and Xenia was also the daugther of an Emperor.... Any  clues why they did not built a bigger palace??
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: xirbis on June 23, 2005, 09:29:42 PM
Valmont, the place is HUGE. The sand-colored building with the porch is just a small part of the Palace. Or, rathewr , not the Palace but a palatial compound...Unlike other GD palaces (Nicholas Palace, New-Michael Palace, Vladimir palace etc.), this one was not erected as a single unit. It is a combination of different buildings, streching over a block - from Angliiskii prospect to Decabristov Ulitca. A kind of a smaller version of Hofburg in Vienna. I visited the place few years ago - rememeber passing it through few inner courtyards sorrounded by the buiding of different height - the structure starts as 1.5 - storey mansion-like building overlooking the main courtyard on Angliiskii Pr. and gradually "grows" to 3-4 storeys buildings toward the Decabristov St.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on June 23, 2005, 09:44:04 PM
Mike,

Can you give us the exact address of the EIST site ?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on June 23, 2005, 09:44:09 PM
If memory serves me, it was Ksenya to whom, upon her marriage, Alexander III offered the Mikhailovsky palace to live in. Of course, Ksenya said that palace was too big, and indeed it is really huge. I wonder if Sandro shared his wife´s opinion...
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on June 24, 2005, 05:36:05 AM
Mike,
Thanks so much for the pictures from the street showing the fence.  Now I know this area must have been completely covered by fencing or construction screens as I never saw anything like this when I was in St. Petersburg.  I was following a guidebook and would not have missed such a beautiful palace if it was viewable.
Well, this is the great adavantage of this board: we get to see places that we have missed or will never get to see.
Thanks so much.
Bob
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Mike on June 24, 2005, 02:29:29 PM
For those interested in that enigmatic EIST:
The site http://www.statedevelopment.spb.ru/, which contains photos of almost all buildings in Petersburg’s historical center, is notoriously user-unfriendly and requires patience, skill and knowledge of the city’s topography to actually find something. I’ve even compiled a concise Russian “EIST survival guide” and posted the link here about a year ago. Here it's again: http://erastimes.8m.net/eist_tutorial.htm

Zhelayu uspekha! [=good luck!]
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on June 24, 2005, 06:54:50 PM
Mike,

Thanks so much for the pictures and the the exact address of that enigmatic EIST site.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on June 26, 2005, 12:48:57 AM
Xenia palace back side 35 DECEMBRISTS STREET
(http://img13.echo.cx/img13/2039/xeniapalacedecembristsstreet35.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on August 30, 2005, 06:35:17 PM
Antonio--
Yes, it is very true that the Tsar had offered his daughter, Ksenia, the other palace, and she had thought it too large for her taste. Whether or not Sandro agreed I'm not sure, but I don't think it mattered much to him at all, whether or not the palace was large or 'small'.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 01, 2006, 06:51:53 PM


but here are some of 104-106 Mïoka:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/26.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/27.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/28.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/106moikaemb.jpg)


here are more of Aï-Todor:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-d/18-2005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-d/20-2005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-d/21-2005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-d/22-2005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-d/23-2005.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 01, 2006, 08:06:04 PM
It seems several of the pictures in Romanov Fragments de Vie (my source) were mismarked. Thank you for the corrections. :)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Joanna on November 04, 2006, 09:27:03 PM
Four photographs of the church interiors with detail of the Iconostasis in GD Alexander & GD Xenia's palace identified as 106 Moika c1900s:

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001501420
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001462348
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001501522
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001501366

Joanna


Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: s66405h on January 03, 2007, 06:20:37 PM
Do you think Sandro and Xenia's place in St. Peterburg will ever be restored?  Is it possible that an ordinary resident would be able to purchase it for private use?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r246/s66405h/ksenia_thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Reco on January 30, 2007, 07:38:34 PM


(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1619/1pxeniaetalexandremoikalq4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on January 31, 2007, 04:50:23 AM
Please ,

Please if you can add some more about this sandro who I did not ever listen about before...

What charge in the society  he used to have,when he lived,what has he done;I should be a philistine however it don't stand to reason to me.

Thanks,V.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Venois on February 02, 2007, 12:04:29 AM
It is being owned by kinesiology University right now. I don't think that this palace will be privatized in a near future, because there are much more attractive ones on the English Embankment, for instance.

Hopefully the palace will be restored by the government soon. The restoration budget is 10 times larger that before The tricentennial. For instance there is a Grand Duke Alexader's palace not far away from this one, which is in a process of an active restoration since last summer.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 03, 2007, 10:47:31 AM
Hopefully the palace will be restored by the government soon. The restoration budget is 10 times larger that before The tricentennial. For instance there is a Grand Duke Alexader's palace not far away from this one, which is in a process of an active restoration since last summer.

Do you know exactly what sum of money will be spend for it?

What palace are you talkong about?
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2010, 03:02:36 AM
Mavritan Study of GD Alexander M.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/1110107_0001-3.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/1110107_0001-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2010, 03:05:23 AM


but here are some of 104-106 Mïoka:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/26.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/26.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/27.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/27.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/28.jpg
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-c/28.jpg)


2nd photo is Dancing Hall and the entrance to  Orange Drawing Room (with a bust of GD Alexander M.)

3d photo is the Orange Drawing Room
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2010, 03:07:44 AM
A detail of the Red Drawing Room. With a portrait of Princess Irina Alexandrovna on the wall, and her bust on the mantle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/red.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/red.jpg)
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: ashanti01 on January 04, 2011, 02:20:02 AM
Thank you Svetabel for posting that photo. Do you know if the painting and bust survived the revolution?
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Svetabel on January 04, 2011, 02:21:42 PM

 Do you know if the painting and bust survived the revolution?

I don't know, but that's the 1st time I've seen them. Possibly they had been lost or now in the collections of the Yusupovs descendants.
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on January 05, 2011, 06:19:45 AM
I'm not sure where I got this floorplan of Xenia's palace, but could anyone help identify the rooms that have their photos posted above?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Plans/2342-2005kshessinsk178062.jpg)
BobG
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: xirbis on January 06, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
Dear BobG...
I hate to disappoint you, but this floor plan looks very much like the one of Matilda Kshesinnskaja's Mansion... [
/b]
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: BobG on January 06, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
Dear xirbis,
You are absolutely right, and I don't know how I labeled this as Xenia's palace.  No wonder I had such a hard time figuring out the rooms.  Thanx for setting me straight!

I wonder if anyone does have a floorplan of Xenia's Palace?


BobG
Title: Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
Post by: Olga from St.P. on February 10, 2013, 06:02:43 AM
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/0_DmitFe/dvorcy/IMG_2538_zps334d36bf.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/0_DmitFe/dvorcy/IMG_2535_zps4e638140.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/0_DmitFe/dvorcy/IMG_2530_zpsd05da106.jpg)