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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in Moscow => Topic started by: Nick_Nicholson on March 09, 2004, 01:12:24 PM

Title: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 09, 2004, 01:12:24 PM
Does anyone have any idea what happened to Illinskoye?  

I know that after Elizabeth took the veil and gave up her posessions, she left the Sergeievsky Palace (formerly the Belosselsky-Belozersky Palace) to Dimitri Pavlovitch, and that she also left Illinskoye to him as well.

After the Revolution, does anyone know what became of it?  It was a wooden palace -- was it destroyed by Stalin in the expansion of Moscow?  Any floor plans?  Pictures?

Nick
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Mike on June 28, 2004, 02:22:35 PM
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Does anyone know was there an actual Illinskoje station, or have any descriptions?

If you mean railway station, there has never been one. The nearest station is Pavshino (from Moscow's Rizhsky station), serving the town of Krasnogorsk of which Ilyinskoye is now part.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 19, 2005, 10:52:35 PM
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i came across this link, just a few minutes ago.   it seems to imply the palace is still standing..... the estate is now called "Ilichevo" & the palace is a boarding house of some sort.     but i can't seem to find any present-day photos.... :-/



this is the first i've heard of this....am i just late in getting the info?   (ie: has everyone heard already heard this?)    

any more info, either way?
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Mike on October 20, 2005, 10:50:48 AM
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.   it seems to imply the palace is still standing.?

All Russian sources indicate that the mansion was burnt in 1917. The whole area is heavily guarded and inaccessible for casual visitors - exactly like in the Soviet times.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Valmont on October 20, 2005, 01:54:36 PM
Brian is right.. The web site says  "After Lenin's visit they changed its name to Ilyichowo, in the 40's  country houses for party  leaders were arranged there and nowadays Ilyichowo turned into a boarding house that  had preserved the athmosphere tsar gandeur and the whole beauty of  Russian nature"...  
They are talking about it like if it is still there...
Anyone has visited the area or knows anything about it???
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 20, 2005, 04:12:42 PM
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All Russian sources indicate that the mansion was burnt in 1917. The whole area is heavily guarded and inaccessible for casual visitors - exactly like in the Soviet times.




that's what i thought too, but here is what the the english-language page states:

Ilyinsckoe village is situated in one of the most beautiful places along Moscow River. On the bank of the river you may find the magnificent garden, delight the fresh air of different  linden, birch and pine groves.
There are two churches in Illyinsckoe village: the prophet Ilya church and Vasiliy Kissaryisckiy church.
In the 16th century and at the beginning of the 17th century this village was a center of the large royal patrimony called «Luzhsckye zemly». The village was called so after the prophet Ilya church that was built at the very beginning of the 17th century. This royal patrimony was granted to Tsarina Evdokya brother     V.I. Streshnev. She was the wife of the first representative of Romanow dynasty Mikhail Fedorowitch. Streshnev family possessed the village for almost two centuries. First it was inherited by count Ivan Ostermann and after his death passed into the hands of his grandson Alexander Ostermann one of the participants of Ishmael storm.  He lost his hand and retired from the army in 1818, after that he began to improve his patrimony. He rebuilt the large manorial house, on the stone foundation with the balcony viewed on the Moscow River. Ostermann founded almost all little houses in different parts of the park and they had bared their old romantic names till nowadays.
Large green-houses along the river has been also preserved.
While Ostermann was absent countess Elisabeth decided to create a park and all the trees for it was brought from far away.   
After count’s death his relative Galizin inherited the manor. 20 years later the widow had sold the manor to the royal family for 108 thousands rubles. It was a present for the empress Maria Fedorowna. The emperor Nikolai had created the special commission to reconstruct the manor. Ilyinsckoe differed greatly from the luxuriant emperor residences near St. Petersburg. Thanks to the beauty and variety of sights, which melted harmoniously into the landscape, - the manor turned into one of the most interesting examples of park and garden art of the 19th century even in spite of the quite simple architectural ensemble. The whole territory was divided into three parts: regular park, landscape park and park situated on the bank of the river. Green parterre with round lawns and flowerbeds was laid down in front of the palace. The regular park in French manner with linden alley and cut bushes was laid down behind the parterre. Romantic Landscape Park was situated to the west of the palace. Future emperor Alexander III was fond of stone outhouse “Ne tschuy gore”(Don’t feel woe), which was standing among the pines. Maria Alexandrovna liked Ilyinsckoe very much. After she had viewed the manor she said: “Restore but do not change anything”.
Lots of members of the royal family, who were related to almost all European royal families often visited Ilyinsckoe.In June 1896 Moscow went through the immense celebrities – Nikolai II. After the great number of processions and state receptions Nikolai came to Ilyinsckoe “It’s a great pleasure to be in such a good and quiet place” he exclaimed.
After the revolution Ilyinsckoe as well as all other manors was nationalized. In 1918  V.I. Lenin had visited the village. After his visit there was founded       sanatorium called Ilyichowo.
In 1940s country houses for party leaders were arranged there.
Nowadays Ilyichevo turned into a boarding house that had preserved the atmosphere tsar grandeur and the whole beauty of Russian nature.
"IlYINSCKOE"

             
        
              

        
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 23, 2007, 03:36:41 PM
I'm looking for some more photos f the estate please,if some own something...

Whereas much have been posted on Ella's palace in Petersburg it would be interesting to know more on her lifestyle there...

Does some have been there in the last decade?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/VISIT-ilichevo-fon_r2_c3.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/f002_jpg.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/f009_jpg.jpg)


Thanks in advance,
Vassia
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Taksa on May 24, 2007, 02:30:49 PM
I dont know much about this place but what I know is that there have been built a lot of new  houses in that area. when I pass direction signs to Iliinskoe, there is always said about new and cool houses. and nothing about historical place. for example, there is different situation with Arkhangelskoe - the sings say that there is a manson etc...

Is the manson still being there?
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 27, 2007, 09:18:42 AM
I can not say for sure,but according to the website posted before it must still lays...

I hope that some tohers members would cast some light on this...

Taksa,don't you have any opportunity to go back there?It would be really great!

Thanks, Vassia
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Joanna on June 10, 2008, 10:45:17 PM
A photograph of Usovo which was the manor house built by Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich in 1892:
http://fondus.ru/forum/upload/39-17-2b.jpeg

In 1896 after the coronation, Nicholas II, family and guests went to stay at Iliinskoe. He wrote in his diary of excursions to Usovo which was across or down the river from Iliinskoe. The manor house had 30 rooms. It would be interesting to know if Grand Duke Sergei lived here or was it used only for overflow of guests.


Joanna
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Valmont on June 16, 2008, 05:25:36 PM
I read that Ilinskoye was next to Archangelskoye. I got in Google earth and found archangelskoye but I have not been able to find Ilinskoye.
 Can anyone help?
Thanks

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 16, 2008, 06:26:55 PM
I read that Ilinskoye was next to Archangelskoye. I got in Google earth and found archangelskoye but I have not been able to find Ilinskoye.
 Can anyone help?
Thanks

Arturo Vega-Llausás

Actually, there is about as much information as there is on this thread. Google Earth may not be the best place to start - try the 1st page of this thread which shows the town its near, the nearest railway station, photos, etc.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2008, 01:43:28 AM
I read that Ilinskoye was next to Archangelskoye. I got in Google earth and found archangelskoye but I have not been able to find Ilinskoye.
 Can anyone help?
Thanks

Arturo Vega-Llausás

Now a territory of the former estate Ilinskoe is a private property, a cottage village Ilichevo.

Here's a rare image of a house in the estate. Possibly that's a mansion where the members of the Imperial family lived.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/39-16-1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 17, 2008, 02:16:28 AM
 Ilyinskoye is near Arkhangelskoye

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5551/1pilyinskoyemoscounearacc0.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1pilyinskoyemoscounearacc0.jpg)(http://)
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: BobG on June 17, 2008, 05:07:11 AM
Ilyinskoye is near Arkhangelskoye

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5551/1pilyinskoyemoscounearacc0.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1pilyinskoyemoscounearacc0.jpg)(http://)

Reco,
That is a great map you posted.  It seems to show many of the estates and towns.  Could you share the source of it with us?  It seems like it would be a great reference tool.
BobG
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 17, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
BobG,

Thank you. I found this card on the web already some years ago. I am going to try to find the place.

Valmont,

Thank you. I found the place on Google Earth thanks to this card. We can see the roof of houses.

Reco
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 18, 2008, 03:24:56 PM

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9821/1ilyinskoyemoscoumap4pi9.th.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1ilyinskoyemoscoumap4pi9.jpg)(http://)
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: ashanti01 on July 16, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Ella/0004q9gb.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Ella/0004r9p9.jpg)
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 17, 2008, 07:51:19 PM
Reco,
Thank you so much. Thanks to your map I was able to find the state. The house still there. You can see the spire o top of the house. It's great. Thanks

Arturo Vega-Llausás

unfortunately, i think the spire you saw belongs to newer building, or to a building that may no longer exist.  it may have belonged to a house (or club) built by subsequent "owners" of the property.   
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Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Joanna on July 19, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
Many thanks Reco for your always amazing maps/satellite images/plans! Have you seen this site that appears similar to google earth but may  have different search options? I have only just started working with it.

http://www.kosmosnimki.ru/index.html#x=37.956192&y=55.249849&z=14&fullscreen=false&mode=satellite&mx=37.030707&my=55.847711&mt=&mx=37.956192&my=55.249849&mt=0YHQtdC70L4g0JjQu9GM0LjQvdGB0LrQvtC1

Joanna
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on July 19, 2008, 01:56:57 PM
Thank you very much Joanna.

This is Illinskoye with this new site you post.

Reco


(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3337/1ilyinskoyemoscouspaceiec8.th.jpg) (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1ilyinskoyemoscouspaceiec8.jpg)(http://)
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Natali Bondareva on November 03, 2008, 10:42:15 AM
http://www.nataturka.ru/usadiba/iliinskoe.html Усадьба Ильинское и много Подмосковных дворянских усадеб!
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: newfan on May 07, 2010, 10:11:06 PM
Are there any books on Ilinskoye?
Thank you
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on January 25, 2011, 03:15:32 AM
A photograph of Usovo which was the manor house built by Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich in 1892:
http://fondus.ru/forum/upload/39-17-2b.jpeg

In 1896 after the coronation, Nicholas II, family and guests went to stay at Iliinskoe. He wrote in his diary of excursions to Usovo which was across or down the river from Iliinskoe. The manor house had 30 rooms. It would be interesting to know if Grand Duke Sergei lived here or was it used only for overflow of guests.


Joanna

Yes, GD Sergei lived in Usovo from time to time in the end of 1890s. Also the children of his brother Pavel were settled there every summer. In 1889 Pavel and his young wife Alexandra spent in Usovo their honeymoon.


Here are pictures of a park in Ilinskoe , and a view of the Church in the estate in 1896 year.

(http://www.picatom.com/1s/-14572-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1s/-14572.html)

(http://www.picatom.com/1s/-14571-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1s/-14571.html)

Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on February 04, 2011, 02:16:17 AM
A mansion in Ilinskoe, view from the river

(http://www.picatom.com/1s/vlcsnap2011020409h02m48s24-2-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1s/vlcsnap2011020409h02m48s24-2.html)

Don't know the year though
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: lchukhin on September 20, 2011, 11:12:07 PM
I will be in Moscow in the next couple of weeks (October 2011). I'm trying to convince my husband that it would be worth it to ask our host to drive us out there.

My husband checked Russian websites and found that the summer house site is part of a private housing development. He says it is surrounded by a fence and it's not possible to see the house. I would at least like to know where the property is (couldn't find it in Google satellite view) and take a picture of said fence :) I will do my best to return with some info, although I can't promise for sure.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: lchukhin on October 17, 2011, 08:08:43 AM
I did get a ride through Ilinskoye, but my kind driver was frazzled by the late afternoon traffic and recovering from a cold. So it was a very rapid trip with no time to stop and figure out where we were, what we were looking at, and whether we could see more from a different vantage point.

I got a photo of a forbidding-looking security wall that I believe surrounds the former estate. As Mike wrote back in 2005, it seems to be inaccessible. I noticed only one opening, and it was definitely guarded.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/lchukhin/DSC_3308.jpg)
There are two parts to the security wall. The lower wall is a solid fence about 12-15 feet (3m) high. There is an upper screen of about the same height. So if you were thinking of swinging from tree to tree like a monkey in order to gain access, that option is out.  ;D Or perhaps the screen is so high to prevent tennis balls from reaching the road?  ;)

There were no signs or advertisements of any kind on the security wall.

I will try again with a different driver on a future trip. Although it looks like a private compound, I would like to get the most information I can about what's outside the fence. Also, if you check Google Earth, there are a couple of pictures from the opposite riverbank. All you can see are woods and a white pavilion. I've marked the former estate at 55.755472, 37.226007.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: matushka on October 19, 2011, 12:10:41 AM
A few pictures (not really interesting, but pictures!) of the estate can be found in I. Kuchmaeva's beautiful book about Elisabeth Fedorovna, Kogda jizn' istinstvuet. The author seems to have had the chance to enter the place. However, I am not sure I can scan them from the book for copyright reason.
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: lchukhin on October 19, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
Wow, thank you, matushka! That's a great find, and contains the best information of all - photos of the inside!
Title: Re: Ilinskoye, estate of GD Sergei Alexandrovitch
Post by: Joanna on December 07, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
Floor plan and interiors - Illinskoe near Moscow c1800s and today

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/12/grand-duke-sergei-ella-at-home-in.html

Joanna