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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Tsarskoe Selo Palaces => Topic started by: Liam on April 18, 2004, 04:37:00 AM

Title: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Liam on April 18, 2004, 04:37:00 AM
Does anyone have any information on the Ropsha Palace?

In `Imperial palaces of Russia`, it says that the palalce is now derelict and practicly a ruin. Is this still the case?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 18, 2004, 09:17:41 AM
Hello Liam,
You can find photographs of this palace in Anna Virubova´s albums in the Digital Photobase of the Yale University, Beinecke library. The palace is completely ruined. Now there´s nothing left but the walls. I assume it was destroyed during the wwii.
Antonio.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Dimitri on April 23, 2004, 01:10:54 PM
Does anyone actually have any pictures of the interiors and a floor plan?
Was the palace not really used and when it was not in use was in just shut up?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Dimitri on April 25, 2004, 07:26:38 AM
I have seen pictures of Nicholas at Ropsha but did he actually spent a large amount of time there?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on June 25, 2004, 11:50:54 PM
There is a site with a photograph of Ropsha but I am curious as it is different from the photographs in the Yale albums with N&A. Could this view be from the rear of the palace? Or was there another palace within Ropsha park?

http://lenobl.h1.ru/main.php?part=3&item=10

Here is another site of Ropsha with the facade that I remember from the Yale albums in scaffolding:

http://regionavt.spb.ru/hs/ropsha2.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on September 27, 2004, 05:06:12 PM
There is an interesting article pertaining to the history of violets by John Perfect of "Isaac Oldaker - Forty Years A Pensioner".  "... In 1804 [Isaac] was put in charge of the gardens of the Imperial Palace at Ropsha...Here in extensive kitchen gardens and a large range of greenhouses,  exotic and other fruit and vegetables were grown, including grapes, peaches, pineapples and melons  -  as well as flowers  -  on a scale sufficient to supply the demands of the imperial palace of St. Petersburg and the surrounding area..."

What is fascinating is the story of how in 1812 when he "... was relieved of his duties on the grounds of ill health and was to receive 1500 roubles a year until he recovered, even if he were living abroad...", he continued to call himself Gardener to his Majesty and managed to keep receiving his pension. "...It is not suprising that in 1832 someone pencilled on a document on Russian  "Can he really have been ill since 1812?" The last pension, for 1851, was drawn on March 13th  1852,  five days after his death.    No-one thought to inform the Russian authorities of his demise.    Only on September 13th   1854,  was the award cancelled, as it had not been claimed for more than two years."

http://www.sweetviolets.com/SWEETVIOLETS/Historyfolklore.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on October 05, 2004, 07:52:59 PM
I am curious which branch of the Imperial family had use of Ropsha. Was this a private estate passed down similar to the Konstantinovich's Strelna and Pavlovsk or was it part of the Imperial property allocated to different members for their use?

In "Russia in Original Photographs 1860-1920" by Marvin Lyons, Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1977, there are photographs of GD Vladimir and GD Maria Pavlovna at Ropsha c1894, July 22, 1900 (name day of MP) and July 15, 1906 (name day of V). This is a twelve year span of their family gatherings at Rophsa. Although the estate is south of and not on the Gulf of Finland, was this where they established themselves during the season when the court was at Peterhof?

A curious footnote to one of the photographs at Ropsha. It is c1894 and Marvin Lyons has identified one of the group as Mme. Pistolekors (later Paley) and she is seated next to GD Paul.

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: BobG on October 06, 2004, 01:50:46 PM
Joanne,
I have read that Ropsha was Grand Duke Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna's palace (in The Grand Dukes, Divid Chavchavadze), but I'm not sure how and when it came into their possession.  I have not found any other reference of their having another palace in Peterhof and it does seem remote from there as most of the Imperial family seemed to have homes there.  

I too would love to see if anyone has any interior photos or plans of the palace.  It would also be great to get some more history on it.
Bob
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 09, 2004, 06:58:42 AM
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Joanne,
I have read that Ropsha was Grand Duke Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna's palace (in The Grand Dukes, Divid Chavchavadze), but I'm not sure how and when it came into their possession.  I have not found any other reference of their having another palace in Peterhof and it does seem remote from there as most of the Imperial family seemed to have homes there.  

I too would love to see if anyone has any interior photos or plans of the palace.  It would also be great to get some more history on it.
Bob


Hello Bobg,

It seems that many different branches of the family lived there, if only for a short time. I always thought it was the property of the Vladimirs, but given that Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna had also her own bedroom at the palace, i wonder who really owned it...
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: BobG on October 09, 2004, 08:32:47 AM
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was it part of the Imperial property allocated to different members for their use?

Maybe Joanna was right: I had never heard of any family other than the Vladimir's using the palace.  Interesting that Alexandra Iosifovna would have rooms here with Strelna and Pavlosk being relatively close by.  The Tsar certainly had far more properties available to him and his family than we currently document.  Hence the lack of information about places like Ropsha.  Here is the only mention of it I have found on a russian web site (Translated online)
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In XIX Ropsha turns to capital suburb where there came members of imperial family on hunting and fishing. Before revolution Ropsha - NikolayII's pleasure, hunting and fishing manor.

Although I don't recollect any references of Nicholas spending time here.
Bob
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on October 09, 2004, 09:44:51 PM
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Although I don't recollect any references of Nicholas spending time here.


Hi Bob,

There is a sequence of photographs at Yale of Nicholas and Alexandra at Ropsha that appear to be c1907 or within that time period. If Nicholas had used this property for hunting, the visits may have been similar to when he went to Gatchina for a day's hunting. There are excerpts from his diaries of the late 1800's early 1900's where he writes of these trips whether with his family/suite or with a visiting royal guest. What we need is access to these early diaries to search for references to Ropsha!

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: nigbil on March 25, 2005, 04:36:18 PM
Can someone please tell me about this palace, who lived there, what was its function and location?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: jfkhaos on March 25, 2005, 04:39:08 PM
Peter III was imprisoned and murdered at Ropsha.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Reco on May 23, 2005, 08:23:39 PM
Ropsha ( Ponwa ) map
(http://img287.echo.cx/img287/7311/ropshaponwamap7lh.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Reco on May 23, 2005, 08:27:49 PM
A view of Ropsha from Anna´s albums
(http://img268.echo.cx/img268/170/ropshaaviewofropshafromannasal.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: nigbil on May 24, 2005, 01:53:40 AM
Thanks for the map and picture. Do you know who lived there just before the Revolution?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Reco on May 24, 2005, 02:49:20 PM
In the Baedeker travel book ( p. 185), it is said
" The beautiful park her contains an imperial Chateau..
permission to visit it may be obtained from the steward at Krasnoye Selo "

So I thing it is residence of Nicolas II like Krasnoye Selo
residence, so-called chateau built in the style of a Swiss chalet.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Reco on May 24, 2005, 06:12:53 PM
Ropsha palace in 2004
(http://img277.echo.cx/img277/5164/vxropsha1x2fb.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: nigbil on May 26, 2005, 12:23:10 PM
Great pictures, thanks.
It looks like restoration has started...............does anybody know what condition the interior is in?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Jane on May 26, 2005, 02:17:39 PM
It's frustrating that there is so little information available about Ropsha, isn't it, nigbil?

Ropsha, which was designed by Rastrelli, was Imperial property, but appears to have been used primarily by Grand Duke Valdimir and his family.  I think it was used for typical country pursuits.  As noted, Catherine II had Peter III imprisoned there until he was murdered.

The palace and the paper factory on the grounds (which I presume was built after the Revolution, but I may be wrong) was rebuilt after WWII.  Unfortunately, the palace again was gutted by fire some years back and is now in the condition we see it today.  

I am unaware of any restoration project going on.  I think the scaffolding is there merely to keep the building from falling.  With the horrendous lack of resources available to palaces of much more historical significance in Russia, I find it unlikely that Ropsha will be rebuilt and restored.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: nigbil on May 26, 2005, 02:33:48 PM
Yes I agree.
In the 3rd picture you can see its a ruin (you can look through the windows to sky behind) so I guess you are right about the scaffolding. Its a pity because it's a gem.

I wonder if someone has seen interior pictures from pre-revolutionary times? There are pictures (interior and exterior) of all the other palaces as photography was
of great interest to most of the Romanov's as well as other rich Russian families - so there must be pictures of Ropsha and its occupants.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Scott on June 25, 2005, 11:37:28 PM
For those of you who have visited the Ropsha Palace ruins, how did you get there?  The only information I have found thus far is as follows: "Transportation: 40 minutes by train on the Gatchina line to Krasnoye Selo, then take a #454 bus."  Is this correct?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 26, 2005, 12:33:01 AM
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train on the Gatchina line to Krasnoye Selo, then take a #454 bus."  Is this correct?

It is, but there're buses directly from Petersburg to Ropsha: #481 from Kirovsky Zavod bus terminal (runs every hour, more or less), or #486 from Prospekt Veteranov metro station. I would strongly recommend not to go on Sunday or other vacation day.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 04:07:11 AM
Mike - thank you very much for the information.  Other than the palace ruins, what else is there to see in Ropsha?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 26, 2005, 04:41:24 AM

There are several (mostly ruined) historic places near Ropsha; the question is, how much time are you going to spend there. Moving around between villages without a car and a local guide might be cumbersome. I would suggest instead to go to Ropsha from SPb by bus #481, to spend there 1 to 2 hours, and to return via Strelna by bus #486. From Strelna (where is much to see) you will easily get back to the city - including by tram #36, which is a nice countryside ride. The whole tour would take you roughly half a day.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Scott on June 26, 2005, 02:01:50 PM
Mike,

Again thank you for your help.  I probably would spend only a few hours in Ropsha unless I discover that there are more locations to explore.

Also, the link you posted doesn't work for me.  I also tried going to the site's homepage and that doesn't work either.  Does it work for you?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 26, 2005, 02:23:59 PM
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 Does it work for you?

Not at the moment. It's a detailed description written by a local teacher, complete with a map. Let's try later, hopefully the site will come back to life.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 27, 2005, 05:41:52 AM
Updates:
1. The Ropsha site (http://baltchild.org.ru/rus/ourvalue/ohv26.htm) works again.
2. Upon consulting knowledgeable guys from the SPb transport forum, the best way of getting to Ropsha and back seems to be either by minibus K-392 "Metro Prospekt Veteranov - Strelna - Ropsha" (runs frequently), or by minibus K-850AB "Metro Prospekt Veteranov - Kipen' - Ropsha- Strelna - Metro Prospekt Veteranov". This circular route runs at larger intervals, but drives you via Kipen' with its ancient (1807) postal station built by Luiggi Rusca.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 02, 2005, 10:59:19 AM
Wonderful pictures of Ropsha!  Sad to see it in such ruins.  I believe that Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna and her husband Grand Duke Alexander spent part of their honeymoon here.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on August 30, 2005, 06:11:10 PM
Yes, Grand Duchess Ksenia Aleksandrovna and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich spent their wedding night there, and perhaps a couple more days before going to Ai-Todor, Sandro's estate in the Crimea. No one really 'lived' at Ropsha by this time--the IF went there occassionally for visits, but they never stayed long. None of them seemed to care for it much, perhaps because it was the place of Peter III's murder.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: londo954 on September 21, 2005, 09:46:04 AM
Recent news about the Palace Restoration:

http://www.times.spb.ru/story/15609
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on June 04, 2006, 06:38:53 PM


Driving west from Krasnoye Selo, Ropsha Palace is located on the right from the main road. It is a dirt road/path that is incredibly difficult to find and drive on. The palace faces east to the lake and is still today as shown in the above photos. One thing that was amazing to note after having seen the view from the Yale Albums c1910s was the small scale of this palace.



Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Arleen on June 06, 2006, 10:23:25 AM
Dear Joanna, Many thanks for the Ropsha plans and the plans of the park.  I have found myself collecting all of the plans I can get my hands on.

Did you take pictures while you were there.....if so, you know we would love to see them.  You have a way with words that make everything come alive for us.

Arleen
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: BobG on June 06, 2006, 06:50:25 PM
Joanna,
I was going to ask the same thing about if you took pictures!  Are you possibly going to set up a website to share your pictures/Adventures of your travels in Russia? Or will you be sharing them here?  I'm sure there are many of us who would love to hear all about it!
BobG
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 07, 2006, 02:21:48 PM
I have a virtual friend in Russia who in the early 1970s was an officer in a chemical defense battalion stationed in the Ropsha Palace.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on June 08, 2006, 07:20:40 AM
Sorry,for the french reader that I am a virtual friendis an opposition,a nonsense...I do no understand the whole meaning of the word...

In all cases,overall it would be great if you could give photographs or informations by your friend...feww people kows about Ropsha...
Vassili
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on June 08, 2006, 01:42:54 PM
By "virtual friend" I mean a person whom I've never met personally but with whom friendly relations have developed in the course of electronic communication, mainly over the Internet. In the earlier times, they were called "pen friends", but nowadays we no more use pens, and calling them "mouse friends" or "keyboard friends" wouldn't be nice, would it?

As to this particular friend of mine, I doubt if he keeps any photos of the Ropsha palace - it used to be a military base after all. However I'll ask him to share with us his recollections of the place.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on November 19, 2006, 09:42:33 PM
An incredible photograph of Ropsha Palace with awnings and arched patio curtains:

http://www.answers.com/topic/ropsha-jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on November 20, 2006, 09:04:57 PM
There is hope for Ropsha. The children are the future and taught the treasure that is their heritage.

http://www.hermitage.museum.ru/html_En/06/hm6_5_0_0_0.html



Joanna




Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 22, 2006, 01:06:50 PM
Thanks Joanna,

To be earnest it is a great hope to me,Ropsha revival  is my dream actually...you realy make my day...thanks!!!


Vassili who always dream after seeing some prerevolutional(interiors) views of the palace...
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on December 04, 2006, 03:15:57 PM
I've found this,there is on it the only building taht remains inatact of the complex palce,I believ it is a firm,as for nowadays I do not know for what purpose it is used...

(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7294/ropchadi3.th.jpg) (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ropchadi3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on December 04, 2006, 03:31:41 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5371/parclougvoparcdesprairilo4.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parclougvoparcdesprairilo4.jpg)

Herewith a print of the Lougvoy park betwwen Peterhof and Ropsha,rather gorgeous isn't it...?

Vassili
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 10, 2007, 08:09:10 PM


If everything goes as I hope then coming to St Petersburg this summer, I will try to have getaway until  Ropsha, this place exudes so much mysteries ... it would be interesting to make a few more photos and having a bit more informations on the current state of the palace and the field ... to be continued!

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/32v2.jpg)


Vassia
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on November 27, 2007, 01:35:14 PM
Ropsha Palace c1971:
http://www.skitalets.ru/books/izora_vozvysh/risunok030.jpg

Ropsha - Church of Peter I c1971:
http://www.skitalets.ru/books/izora_vozvysh/risunok026.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Nemos on November 27, 2007, 02:30:53 PM
Äāīšåö ķåģķīćī šąķüųå.
Palace little bit earlier.

(http://i035.radikal.ru/0711/2d/3bc0f44d9e5dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i035.radikal.ru/0711/2d/3bc0f44d9e5d.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 29, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Thank you so much Geglov, I had never seen those shots before, I am breathless.

Thanks,
Vassia
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on January 18, 2008, 10:08:24 PM
Ropsha is being developed as a business/hotel complex by an Italian consortium to be completed by 2009. Construction apparently has begun. It will be interesting to see what the site is like when I return.

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: amelia on January 19, 2008, 07:26:24 AM
Thank you so much, I also have never seen this photos before.

Amelia
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: dmitri on January 19, 2008, 11:21:49 AM
It should be quite lovely providing they follow the plans of the original. The basic shell is still quite sound. The rest was burned by the barbarian Nazi Germans during their plunderous time in the former Soviet Union.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on April 01, 2008, 06:26:32 PM
(http://i020.radikal.ru/0711/02/6cca1b717690t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i020.radikal.ru/0711/02/6cca1b717690.jpg.html)

A current close-up view of the portico area:
http://www.adresaspb.ru/arch/adresa_11/11_021/11_110.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Nemos on April 29, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
Кадры из кинофильма "Седьмой спутник" 1967 год. Ленфильм.
Staff from a film " the Seventh satellite " 1967.

(http://i029.radikal.ru/0804/7c/08e1e6c05ab9t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i029.radikal.ru/0804/7c/08e1e6c05ab9.jpg.html)

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Не знаю как эти кадры из фильма.
I do not know as this staff from film.

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Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Alexander1917 on January 22, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
Yes, Grand Duchess Ksenia Aleksandrovna and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich spent their wedding night there, and perhaps a couple more days before going to Ai-Todor, Sandro's estate in the Crimea. No one really 'lived' at Ropsha by this time--the IF went there occassionally for visits, but they never stayed long. None of them seemed to care for it much, perhaps because it was the place of Peter III's murder.

Wasn't it a summer palace of Grand Duke Vladimir (Miechens husband)...NII wrote so to MF...
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: alixaannencova on February 15, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
I have no firm evidence, but I was always under the impression that the palace and park remained in the Emperor's keeping and that it was borrowed by the Vladimirs and also by Xenia and Sandro for part of their honeymoon.

It does not appear to have been a very large palace... although it appears to have had annexes connected to the main block that are not in any photos here. It is such a shame that the links posted some time ago to the plans of the palace and park are no longer available, I long to see more about this intriguing palace, what with its rather blood thirsty history and Paul Petrovich's apparent obsession with the place and his plans to rename it etc.

I notice from the photographs we see today, the ones of the ruins as well as the old one from the turn of the last century, it appears that the photographs may have been taken by the photographers standing with their backs to the the 'little' lake visible on the map...am I right? I wonder if this was the principal entrance facade or whether it was regarded as a garden front and that the opposing facade, of which we do not have any pictures, was perhaps the principal entrance front instead. I have also noted that their was a belvedere, and wondered if it lit a central hall within the main block of the palace?

If all the scant literature available is accurate, it appears that the palace really was a homogeny of styles, having been worked on by various architects, including Rastreli to Felten, although the facade we see in the photograph appears pretty uniform neoclassical to me! Perhaps Paul had the whole palace demolished and rebuilt?

I have found some tragically haunting contemporary photos, which bring home to one just how dreadful the state of the palace became;-

http://photogoss.spb.ru/index.php-en&ft_fotoropsha.htm


     
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: alixaannencova on February 15, 2009, 04:38:53 PM
Is it true that the Paul Petrovich contemplated renaming the palace something like Krovaviye Polevoy Dvorets (Bloody Field Palace)? (Excuse my attempt at trying to anglicize Russian words...it probably looks really silly and probably makes no sense whatsoever!)






Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Svetabel on February 16, 2009, 01:58:49 AM
Is it true that the Paul Petrovich contemplated renaming the palace something like Krovaviye Polevoy Dvorets (Bloody Field Palace)?





I've heard only about "Bloody Field". Such Pavel I called the Ropsha estate which he finally bought in the end of his life.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Mike on February 16, 2009, 10:19:05 AM
The Ropsha estate remained a Crown property till the revolution. It was occasionally used by various members of the Imperial family, but always for short periods of time, typically for their hunting parties.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on February 16, 2009, 08:22:34 PM
It does not appear to have been a very large palace... although it appears to have had annexes connected to the main block that are not in any photos here.

I notice from the photographs we see today, the ones of the ruins as well as the old one from the turn of the last century, it appears that the photographs may have been taken by the photographers standing with their backs to the the 'little' lake visible on the map...am I right? I wonder if this was the principal entrance facade or whether it was regarded as a garden front and that the opposing facade, of which we do not have any pictures, was perhaps the principal entrance front instead.

Compared to Peterhof and Tsarskoe Selo, Ropsha was smaller - the location and use c1700s-1800s dictated size. There were annexes on either side that are no longer there. Some outbuildings remain and these were numerous i.e. kitchen, etc. What surprised me was the narrow width of the palace. I am curious of the interior (we did not dare to enter very far into it) if there was a corridor or if the rooms opened into each other from the central part.

Alixannencova, you are right. The photographs were taken from the garden side with the columned portico which slopes down to the lake. The other side would have been the carriage route with the paths connecting the outbuildings similar to the plan of Yelagin but on a much smaller scale. Today there is a rough path that you can drive from the main road to garden side.

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: BobG on February 21, 2009, 08:49:58 AM
Joanna,
I found this web site with information on Ropsha which also has a plan of the palace.
Thought this might satisfy your curiosity.
BobG

http://kovcheg.spb.ru/ropsha/ropsha.htm (http://kovcheg.spb.ru/ropsha/ropsha.htm)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: alixaannencova on February 21, 2009, 11:39:15 AM
Many many thanks for the link BobG....now we can get a much better idea of the palace....it looks as though the annexes are much bigger than I thought as they seem to extend outwards, flanking the entrance front of the palace!


Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Cathy on February 22, 2009, 01:39:37 PM
Wonderful pictures of Ropsha!  Sad to see it in such ruins.  I believe that Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna and her husband Grand Duke Alexander spent part of their honeymoon here.

Xenia and her first cousin once removed, Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich of Russia wedded on August 6, 1894. They spent their wedding night at Ropsha Palace and their honeymoon at Ai-Todor (Alexander’s estate in Crimea).
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Nemos on July 17, 2009, 05:34:34 AM
(http://i031.radikal.ru/0907/35/9d84c6c7becdt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i031.radikal.ru/0907/35/9d84c6c7becd.jpg.html)

(http://i038.radikal.ru/0907/b4/2dad28e28a31t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i038.radikal.ru/0907/b4/2dad28e28a31.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Leongut on August 06, 2009, 12:00:47 PM
Hello!
This forum popped up as a real goldmine - I have been looking around for any kind of information about the Ropsha palace, and here is a complete plan over both floors! Thanks a lot!
I'll probably hang around a bit here. Besides my general, great interest in the Romanov family, I am right now building a role-playing game campaign taking place in Russia 1764, where the players will visit Sankt Peterburg, Ropsha and eventually Schlüsselburg. Now I won't have to make the whole architecture up myself!
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2009, 03:06:01 AM
Ropsha palace in 1906-1911 years

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/ScanImage70.jpg)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: PAVLOV on December 24, 2009, 03:32:51 AM
Beautiful building, but the little cupola sticking out the top looks out of place, the scale is wrong in relation to the size of the building. Such a pity the building is in ruins today. The loss of this building, and that of the English Palace in Peterhof is a great loss I think. The doric columns and steps leading to the entrance are quite similar. 
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on December 24, 2009, 11:18:09 AM
Here is a small pic of Ropsha c1970 with the tower still there. I wonder if it was a telegraphic tower.
http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/49/750ddcaf1ac94576df50d070f0a04da3.jpg

Svetabel, many thanks for the marvelous photo! Have you seen the two books on Ropsha:

- Дужников Ю. А. Ропша.- Л.: Лениздат, 1968.- 54 с.: ил. Первая в истории книжка, специально посвященная Ропше.

Ропша
Автор: Моня Виктор Семёнович
Издательство: ИПК "Вести", Санкт-Петербург, 2007
http://www.kodges.ru/uploads/posts/4a3ba9bb8464b.JPG

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Svetabel on December 25, 2009, 12:45:25 AM

Svetabel, many thanks for the marvelous photo! Have you seen the two books on Ropsha:

- Дужников Ю. А. Ропша.- Л.: Лениздат, 1968.- 54 с.: ил. Первая в истории книжка, специально посвященная Ропше.

Ропша
Автор: Моня Виктор Семёнович
Издательство: ИПК "Вести", Санкт-Петербург, 2007
http://www.kodges.ru/uploads/posts/4a3ba9bb8464b.JPG

Joanna

The 1st book I've seen only the cover, I think it must be in most local libraries as the year of publishing is 1968.

About the 2nd modern book, well, only 3/4 of it is interesting for reading as the author also writes trivial facts about the Strelna palace and Oranienbaum Palace and modern situation on the whole area and so on. If you want to read the book, just PM me, I have it in digital version.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 06, 2010, 05:26:55 AM

According to what I read there is project to re-build the imperial park and palace of Ropsha.

(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/07peiloberwilliam_photos/russie/10.jpg)

It has been developed by a group of European companies. According to the plan, the re-constructed Ropsha Palace will be opened as a 5-star hotel. 50 private villas are being built in the park. International congress-center is also developed on the site. Adjacent area is planned for entertainment center with a casino, a supermarket, and seven restaurants.
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/07peiloberwilliam_photos/russie/018.jpg)

In a way, it seems to be a desaster however, it would eb interesting to see what would the shape of the palace and of the park after atfer the renovation, for the moment being the whole field is a real wreck...
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/07peiloberwilliam_photos/russie/021.jpg)

Some articles on the subject

http://www.expert.ru/printissues/northwest/2005/18/18no-sobsh1/

http://deraltesoldat.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=94

Here, astonishing shots of the palatial complex
http://ostromir.livejournal.com/21657.html

http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/telegraph/history/845/
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/07peiloberwilliam_photos/11.jpg)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: PAVLOV on May 07, 2010, 05:47:56 AM
Actually I think they should demolish it, it looks worse than any of the other palaces after WWII.

The thought of a supermarket and casino is too horrific for words. This is tantamount to having them turn the Catherine Palace into a theme park, or the Alexandra palace into a boarding house.

Rather nothing than this. Strange how property developers always get the upper hand. 
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Cathy on May 07, 2010, 07:30:39 AM
I love Ropsha.
The pictures on the link ..livefeed.. are absolutely amazing.
It was very difficult to find the palace in 2006 even with the help of our Russian driver - people did not seem to know it even though the town was right beside it. It looked very run down and very unsafe. But I fell in love with the whole structure even with the wooden scaffolding surrounding the front facade. And the history of the building is lovely.
So I think that in spite of developer dreams I would like to see it restored.
I wonder how much tourist activity a hotel would generate because it is a remote palace and difficult to get to.
   
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Joanna on May 20, 2010, 11:07:45 AM
I have never seen a photo of Alexis at Ropsha - is it new to others?

http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/zoom.php?60

Joanna
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: PAVLOV on July 09, 2010, 09:23:24 AM
Its horrific to compare the last photograph to the ruins one sees today. Absolutely pristine to rubble, since the 1980's. It looks as if it has been bombed. Very sad. This is going to be a very expensive and huge restoration job !
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2011, 07:38:44 AM
Palace in 1873

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/1873-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/1873-1.html)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 16, 2011, 04:47:27 PM
President medvedev plans to save the palace by teh creation of federal funds, incredible after all that time of neglects!

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/royalty/russia/ropsha.html
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on January 15, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
Journalist send a letter to the Unesco in order to focuse attention on Ropsha palace.

http://archi.ru/events/news/news_present_press.html%3Fnid%3D38932%26fl%3D1%26sl%3D1%26tid_1%3D1%26tid_2%3D%2525%26tid_3%3D%2525&usg=ALkJrhhMekq4oxF-57Os5gYNmYwckVIgxA
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 05, 2012, 06:56:00 AM
This is an interesting article that focuses attention on the Ropsha palace, its situation of despair...


I quote one information, it is that a a team of specialists have been delegated in order to inventory what remains in the fields.

http://karpovka.net/2012/03/02/32856/


Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Maria the Beautiful on March 05, 2012, 12:30:15 PM
When Ii first saw photos of Robsha in the horrible condition it is in today, I thought this was the result of the German occupation during WWII.   Then I saw the photo posted by Joanna a while back  that she said dated from the 1970's  and the palace was still relatively intact.   Did all this damage really occur in the the last 40 years?   I't almost unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Brassov on March 06, 2012, 02:54:56 AM
Yes I agree with  you. The place has just fallen apart in the last 40 years. In Russia the climate has a lot to do with it I suppose. Once the roof falls in, the ice and sub zero temperatures do the rest. Such a shame.
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on November 09, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
Plans for Restoration of Ropsha Palace Presented !!!

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Antonina on November 26, 2013, 11:46:07 PM
Ropsha collages by Sergei Larenkov.
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/18332440/207352/207352_900.jpg)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/18332440/205823/205823_900.jpg)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/18332440/206085/206085_900.jpg)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/18332440/206534/206534_900.jpg)
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/18332440/206055/206055_900.jpg)
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Chris_H on December 16, 2013, 06:47:50 AM
I am very curious about the Ropsha Palace.  Does anyone have a list of who stayed and lived there?
Title: Re: Ropsha Palace
Post by: Maria Sisi on October 29, 2016, 05:06:01 PM
Russian oil giant Rosneft to restore Romanov palace near St. Petersburg

http://rbth.com/arts/2016/10/27/russian-oil-giant-rosneft-to-restore-romanov-palace-near-st-petersburg_642707 (http://rbth.com/arts/2016/10/27/russian-oil-giant-rosneft-to-restore-romanov-palace-near-st-petersburg_642707)

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The Ropsha Palace, an 18th-century residence near St. Petersburg built by order of Peter the Great, is to be rented to the state-owned Rosneft oil corporation for 99 years.

Making the announcement on Oct. 25, Russian Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky said that the company will restore the palace, which is in a state of disrepair, and will create access for tourists to the estate after restoration.

How exciting. I hope it comes to fruition