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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2010, 05:28:18 PM

Title: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on February 04, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
Part I had gone 5 pages past our usual 20 page limit for starting a new thread and we weren't in the middle of a discussion about MV to interrupt so here's starting a new thread.

(http://www.royal-magazin.de/austria/tiara/archduchess-marie-valerie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Rani on February 05, 2010, 12:46:07 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/e6olsg.jpg)

Short message from Franz Joseph to Valerie.

I just can read: "Valerie wird morgen...."


(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ic3cxg.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 05, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
Valérie wird morgen nicht zum Diner kommen. Franz Joseph. :-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Veronica on February 05, 2010, 04:22:24 PM
Translation please...
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Rani on February 05, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Valerie won´t be at dinner tomorrow. Franz Joseph


Thanks to Marie for decoding!
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Veronica on February 05, 2010, 04:51:41 PM
Thanks! I thought it was something deeper than just dinner :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 08:32:51 AM
Thanks for sharing it!!! I wonder wich dinner it was (perhaps an important one)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on February 12, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
Marie Valerie and Franz Salvator :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/mvfsk.jpg)

Marie Valerie, Franz Salvator and their children :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/mvfsc.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 01, 2010, 10:06:07 AM
 (http://i42.tinypic.com/esqf4h.jpg)

Courtesy of Elske from Flickr.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 22, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
Marie Valerie and Family. From the ANNO

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/792/71285627.jpg) (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/71285627.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 23, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
Marie Valerie and Family. From the ANNO
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/792/71285627.jpg)[/URL
 (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/71285627.jpg/)

A well-known photo of the family.

Left to right: Archduchess Marie Valérie with Marie, Gertrud, Theodor (what an ugly child!), Hubert, Hedwig, Ella, Archduke Franz Salvator and Franz Carl.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Rani on May 23, 2010, 03:18:13 PM
How mean you are Marie! :)

But was Theodor ugly as an adult, too??
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 23, 2010, 03:22:05 PM
hahahaha!!


For what i ve seen in picture in other topics, he wasnt that handsome. The two eldest got all the charm and beauty
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 23, 2010, 05:37:04 PM
How mean you are Marie!

But was Theodor ugly as an adult, too??

I'm not mean. I am just telling the truth. :-)

He has been one of the ugliest members of the family for all his life.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on May 26, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Marie Valerie and Franz Salvator :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/392859fsmvc.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=392859fsmvc.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 26, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
Marie Valerie Crying with her father about Elisabeth`s death

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2r2yln5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 09, 2010, 02:09:46 PM
Marie Valerie and her sister in law Archduchess Stephanie (at right) with other ladies
 (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/MVal.jpg)
Alone
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/MarieValerie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Doraprincess on June 20, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
We have a bridge named after Marie Valerie between Hungary and Slovakia (before the 4th june 1920 Hungary too)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mária_Valéria_Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mária_Valéria_Bridge)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 21, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
The Archduchess Marie Valerie, surely based on a well known photo of her standing at the side of some dogs
Not her best
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/MVDogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 22, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2dqkhvt.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yseult on June 22, 2010, 12:30:04 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2dqkhvt.jpg)

The drawing is lovely, Katenka, but the picture is wonderful. Look:

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh282/queenberenice/Valerie.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 22, 2010, 12:30:48 PM
the full version  of that picture is new for me. Thank you!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2010, 01:51:21 PM
What kind of gown is wearing Marie Valerie on that photo?
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 22, 2010, 01:52:22 PM
a costume
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 01, 2010, 05:23:47 PM
Is she MV's cousin?
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/ValerieArchduchess.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Veronica on July 01, 2010, 05:41:41 PM
I think it's her friend Aglae Auersperg
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 01, 2010, 06:06:46 PM
I haven't heard about her... who was she?
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Veronica on July 01, 2010, 06:33:23 PM
Marie Valerie with Aglae
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4674/valerieyaglae798.jpg)


Here is a thread about her

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6608.0
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2010, 02:30:42 PM
The drawing must be based on that photo (for the clothes, the hairdos and the fan), thanks for posting it and for the link, I'll read it :-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 07, 2010, 10:50:22 AM
Marie Valeria and Franz Salvator`s engamenent illustration

(http://i46.tinypic.com/1znbmg2.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 12, 2010, 03:18:55 PM
Found this as Marie Valerie distributing candy to children
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/MarieVal.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 21, 2010, 08:40:35 AM
Old M. Valerie

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4243/archmv.jpg) (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/archmv.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 21, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
Young Marie Valerie and Franz Salvator (I wonder if this painting was made for their engagement)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/MVFS.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 22, 2010, 07:20:04 AM
Look for it in her first topic. It was posted over here and surely someone posted the name of the artist
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on July 22, 2010, 02:56:47 PM
Look for it in her first topic. It was posted over here and surely someone posted the name of the artist

As far as I remember the artist was Carl Fröschl.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 23, 2010, 10:04:48 AM
No, it wasn't (I checked the old thread before posting it) Was it for their engagement?
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on August 02, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
Marie Valerie wearing the same hairstyle as her mother :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/Erzherzogins/mav.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2010, 03:30:15 PM
That hairdo was quite common on those years (her aunts used it too) XD
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on November 01, 2010, 08:47:13 AM
Marie Valerie and her childs Franz Karl and Elisabeth Franzisca :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/482569marievaleriefranzkarlella.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=482569marievaleriefranzkarlella.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 01, 2010, 02:46:58 PM
Totally new for me... only one question about it: Is Marie Valerie in mourning? The dress looks for me like this
Young Marie Valerie
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/valery.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 01, 2010, 05:39:07 PM
Yes, looks about it. wearing black normally was consired bad taste unlike today. shes in mourning for a relative or a close friend.   
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 02, 2010, 06:08:17 PM
Only one question about it: Is Marie Valerie in mourning?

I guess this photo was taken in 1895. Ella (born January 1892) and Franz Karl (born February 1893) look like three and two year old children. In February 1895 both Archduke Albrecht and his younger brother Wilhelm died.

I guess there are also pictures of Franz Salvator and his eldest children from this sitting. I'll have a look.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 03, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Thank you very much for the information MarieCharlotte
Marie Valerie
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/valeria.jpg)
And with Gisela
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/sisters.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Trianon on November 17, 2010, 12:01:24 PM
Lovely photo of Marie Valérie on a golden box in Artstetten:
(http://www.upload-your-life.com/files/i7dhw5jrhnqt32nszxcn.jpg)

There's also a small box with one of the famous family pics:
(http://www.upload-your-life.com/files/ypuccbju37a35crv708t.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 25, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
Little M. Valerie. Credits on the image.

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4433/1155500686.jpg)

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8251/1155500664.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 14, 2011, 06:50:36 AM
Marie Valerie and her cousin Amelie

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/ameliavaleria.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 16, 2011, 07:01:58 AM
Does anyone have a picture of Melanie Countess of Risenfels, second wife of Archduke Franz Salvator?
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 13, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
A little girl with a beautiful profile
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/MVH.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: miki_nastya on April 21, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
144 years ago Marie Valerie was born in Buda...Happy Birthday !!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Hector on August 29, 2012, 04:35:21 PM
Just reading the wikipedia entry for Infante Afonso, Duke of Porto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infante_Afonso,_Duke_of_Porto) that he was engaged to Archduchess Marie Valerie until her uncle's wife, Marie Therese of the exiled Miguelist branch of the House of Braganza, helped put an end to end.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Infante_D._Afonso_Duque_do_Porto_-_Filho_D._Luis_I_2.jpg)

Just wondering if there is more information on it.
Title: Cause of Marie-Valerie's death
Post by: Linnie on July 27, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
Marie-Valerie died at a relatively young age. Does anyone know what is her cause of death?
Title: Re: Cause of Marie-Valerie's death
Post by: Greenowl on July 27, 2015, 12:30:16 PM
She died of lymphoma, a form of cancer.
Title: Re: Cause of Marie-Valerie's death
Post by: Linnie on July 27, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
Thank you. That information seemed almost confidential: I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Greenowl on July 28, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Not really...I think the cause of her death is fairly common knowledge. According to her sister Gisela, she was resigned to death and in a letter to her sister-in-law Therese in Munich, Gisela commented that she had the impression that Marie-Valerie would be disappointed if she recovered. Perhaps she was just a realist or had developed a death wish similar to that of her mother, Empress Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Linnie on July 28, 2015, 11:50:29 AM
There is not much information on Marie Valerie (or Gisele) in French or in English (those are the only two languages that I can read). Wikipedia entries are minimal. Unless somebody here knows of a few books that I am not aware of.
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Young Archduchess Marie Valerie and her mother on a carriage

Detail
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/marievalerie_zpsak4f3fc9.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/marievalerie_zpsak4f3fc9.jpg.html)

In full
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/mavaler_zpsek5q9twt.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/mavaler_zpsek5q9twt.jpg.html)

Source: http://alzbeta-sisi.blog.cz/
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
Marie Valerie's wedding (https://queenoftheamazons1837.tumblr.com/image/165341342741)
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 25, 2017, 02:58:09 PM
Archduchess Marie Valerie at 1910 (https://78.media.tumblr.com/f55b9126e7bfc4884f0365d0a9aaa470/tumblr_oye8zmRwG71v1oo6no1_540.jpg), with her father, Emperor Franz Joseph and her husband, Archduke Franz Salvator.

Same year (https://78.media.tumblr.com/490a8633c0990cc2e286e89f239e8db3/tumblr_oyea0eRbGh1v1oo6no1_540.jpg), with father Franz Joseph and sister, Archduchess Gisela, then Princess in Bavaria.

Credits of both images: ÖNB
Title: Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany) ,Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
Does anyone have a picture of Melanie Countess of Risenfels, second wife of Archduke Franz Salvator?

So late, I was also very curious to see a photo of her and I finally found one. Melanie von Risenfels in 1945, taken from the ÖNB: Here  (https://78.media.tumblr.com/6c42a1f830d83291f5b1df109ef7f994/tumblr_pal6y8vQ5G1v1oo6no4_540.jpg)

And a photo of Archduke Franz Salvator's illegitimate son (with Princess Stephanie von Hohenlohe), taken from the NPG: Here (https://78.media.tumblr.com/3706dcf7c35d472893cfaf500af26512/tumblr_pal6y8vQ5G1v1oo6no3_540.jpg)

Princess Stephanie von Hohenlohe (neé Richter), mistress of Archduke Franz Salvator: Here (https://78.media.tumblr.com/3075d51e74b7bec12e03932a594b04b5/tumblr_pal6y8vQ5G1v1oo6no2_400.jpg)

Poor Marie Valerie!!! :-(