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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: miki_nastya on December 06, 2008, 04:24:54 PM

Title: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on December 06, 2008, 04:24:54 PM
        Did Elisabeth ever smoked ? And how exactly long was her hair ? I've always wonder this.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Greenowl on December 06, 2008, 05:16:26 PM
Yes, Elisabeth smoked quite a lot. Her hair was very long (past her waist) and heavy and actually gave her a headache at times. I think there are other threads that deal with both of these questions.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on April 08, 2009, 07:54:42 AM
 Did she ever cut her hair?   I have long hair and some of my friends tell me that long hair it's not fashionable anymore.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronika on April 08, 2009, 12:59:26 PM
I think that she didn´t do it...And about your hair..I think that long hair are the best!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2009, 11:04:49 PM
No. She did not cut her hair. Sisi kept it long.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on May 09, 2009, 02:16:50 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/braut-1.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/p3717.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Greenowl on June 27, 2009, 05:03:58 AM
It was very tragic. At the end of her life (i.e. in the 1890s), the Empress weighed something like 47 kilos (in the old measures used at that time 93.20 pounds) despite the fluid retention referred to above. That is extremely light, especially when one considers that she measured 1m72.  :o :'(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
I knew that there's a book that describe Sissi's strange diets.
Also I knew that during some time, she just survived with six glasses
of  milk everyday :-(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Her weight was 50 kilos and when she exceeded that weight she felt terrible.
Her waist was 50 centimeters
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2009, 08:15:12 PM
She wasn't just obssessed with her figure, she was obsessed with her
ankle lenght hair, she washed it with cognac and raw eggs, every two
weeks, and her hairdresser spend three hours doing her complicate hairdos
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Lucien on July 12, 2009, 09:27:14 PM
Newly designed Sissi museum in the Imperial Appartments at the Hofburg:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2009/07/sisi-shines-inn-new-designed-vienna-museum.html

courtesy hja
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:37:41 PM
Thanks for the info :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Madame-Sisi on August 29, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Her weight was 50 kilos and when she exceeded that weight she felt terrible.
Her waist was 50 centimeters

well my weight is also 50 kilos only my waist is 60 centimeters.. and i also drink milk and eat little because the milk drives away the hunger (dont know exactly how 2 tell that) but not because i wnana be thin but i love milk and if i eat much i dont gain any weight...
but well those days they wore corsets and that made the inside of your body grow different or something..got a pic for that..
(http://www.fashion-era.com/images/AdornCorsetry/corsbordsml50.jpg)
(http://www.maggiemayfashions.com/corseting.jpg)
the left is a normal body and the right one that weares corsets during their life
so that is one of the answers on why her waist was so small.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 29, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
the left is a normal body and the right one that weares corsets during their life
so that is one of the answers on why her waist was so small.

It's shocking!, the body and the skeletal structure are completely deformed, I wonder how it was possible to breath with those "traps"...and this was considered "beauty" ?  :o

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 29, 2009, 03:30:29 PM
If you wanna get even more shocked, look for "Cathie Jung" on google...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Madame-Sisi on August 29, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
the left is a normal body and the right one that weares corsets during their life
so that is one of the answers on why her waist was so small.

It's shocking!, the body and the skeletal structure are completely deformed, I wonder how it was possible to breath with those "traps"...and this was considered "beauty" ?  :o



sometimes i read in stories about people in those time who had it hard to breath...

i find it pretty but not when its super small... a bit more fat is ok but not so tiny waist.. but i like the stucture somehow
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on August 29, 2009, 07:01:03 PM
I think that's the reason Recamiers or 'fainting couches' came into fashion....... :P
To get the body that deformed, a woman would have to 'live' in a tight laced corset 24/7. Obsessions are strange things.....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 07, 2009, 11:00:53 AM
I saw in the school a few draws about the history of the underwear, I saw one pic similar than the one that Sissi posted, the body was completely changed.
You will think that I'm crazy but I like the figure of the ladies that wear corsets.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 07, 2009, 07:07:57 PM
Sissi was really obsessed with her figure, I know that she could walk for hours and hours and she didn't look tired,
I knew that Sissi said something like this: "When I go for a walk some of my ladies try to accompain me, but at last
they finish tired and surely angry with me, the crazy lady of the powdery ways" Excuse me for the translation, the original one was
in Spanish. And I also read that she dind't like to sit down.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on September 14, 2009, 07:20:44 AM
 I've never heard of this. Could you tell us why?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Really I don't know, I just heard that she disliked to sit down
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
I also forgot to say that I read that the Empress Sissi practiced gymnastics for keep her perfect figure. Here something that I read: She (Sissi) woke up really early and took a shower with cold water although this wasn’t good for her rheumatism, after she did intense gymnastics till she was completely tired and after she drank orange juice for breakfast. And other thing that I read, of course I’m not sure, that Sissi invited girls who worked on the circus to show her their exercises for have a beautiful body, for that reason the people criticized her very much. 

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 16, 2009, 08:32:27 PM
According to what I read in the Reluctant Empress, they were somewhat attatched early in their marriage.  However, that soon fell apart, at least from Sisi's side.  When Victoria of Prussia visited them, she described how Franz Josef hung on his wife's every word and was completely infatuated with her.  Sisi, in Victoria's opinion, did not reciprocate those feelings, at least not to the same degree.

I've never read something like this! Thank you! Is well known that FJ loved Sissi more than Sissi loved
him, if Sissi really loved him. I read that when FJ knew that Sissi was dead, he said "no one will never know how much I loved her".
About Archduchess Sophie, I knew that she didn't consider Sissi prepared to become an Empress, perhaps for
her education, Nene was better prepared than Sissi. About Marie Valerie, that's just a rumour about that she was daughter
of Andrassy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
Do you know how many platonic loves did Sissi have?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on October 19, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
 Did Sisi ever called Franz Joseph, Franzi? I read somewhere that this was his nikename
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on October 19, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
I think it was Franzl, in English Franzi (little Franz). You will see this 'shortening' on Elisabeth as Liesl, Sopie as Sopherl etc. used in South Germany and Austria.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
I didn't know how was called Franz Joseph. Do you know if Sissi called him as this way or other?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Svetabel on February 07, 2010, 12:51:40 AM
Part IV.

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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: José on February 07, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
Two statues of Sissi I came across last Summer.
Sorry I cannot post my photos but I found these:

1. Geneva in front of Hotel Beau Rivage, where she was murdered:
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2574472620059582423mbcuZv

2. Montreux
http://www.lake-geneva-region.ch/en/page.cfm/cultureheritage/celibrities/Sissi
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on February 07, 2010, 06:30:49 PM
Oh, I love the one in Geneva.  It's my favorite.  I'm just kind of freaked out about how much she reminds me of the "Other Mother" in the movie Coraline (the fact they kind of stretched her out, e.g.)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 08:27:13 AM
I agree, the one of Geneva is much better, I like the style of it
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2010, 02:00:30 PM
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/82094503/Hulton-Archive

The Funeral
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: José on February 20, 2010, 11:51:38 AM
Another statue, this time in Funchal, capital of Madeira, where her grand-nephew Karl died and is buried.

Sissi stayed several times in Madeira.

Today Madeira was hit by a tremendous tempest that caused much devastation and, so far, 25 people are reported killed.
RIP

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2676956
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: José on February 23, 2010, 09:12:01 PM
The devastation in Madeira is higher than expected.

You've probably seen the mudslides that swept Funchal downtown (the island's capital) and other towns and villages.

Official records speak of 48 people killed but there are many more missing that could be buried under the mud, rocks and branches or were carried to the sea.

A huge tragedy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on February 28, 2010, 04:33:36 PM


 She was a real beauty with long, long hair.... a brilliant horsewoman....
 she was  perhaps the biggest "Royal Star "in the Victorian era.
Maybe Empress Elizabeth and  Princess Alexandra of Denmark were the two
outstanding beauties back then .....
In fact they did meet up to,  when Alexandra  stopped off in Vienna  en route to a
holiday in Egypt.
Perhaps they also met up on one of  Elizabeths visits to England ?
go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=35



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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on March 05, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
I had seen this picture in black and white in the Preussischer Bildarchiv. In colour is much better  :)

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5943/copiadesissidscn0153.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 08, 2010, 02:52:19 PM
I haven't seen that painting before, it's beautiful, but the style is different than in the majority of her portraits. It made me to remember her sisters
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2cnxv79.jpg)

A rose from Sisis deathbed in a locket.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 09, 2010, 02:59:39 PM
Wow!! Is it on a museum in Vienna?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 03:19:48 PM
Again the Thurn und Taxis auction. I think Albert, her nephew, owned it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 12, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
it takes a loooot of patience to do collage. i dont like to do it but they re nice to see them

A sad illustration of Elisabeth and her late son Rudolph

(http://i41.tinypic.com/14no8dz.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 12, 2010, 12:43:55 PM
YES those collages are brilliant and must have taken a lot of
work and effort to do.
I dare say all the furniture, clothes and shoes are of the period .
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 12, 2010, 01:03:51 PM
Who is the angel in the top? Thge Crown Prince?
Does it represents something special?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 12, 2010, 01:15:53 PM
The angels are just angels full of sadness because Rudolph `s death. Rudolphs is of course the gent in the coffin and its an allegory about his death (funeral)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 12, 2010, 01:21:15 PM
And who is the other lady in front of Sissi?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on March 12, 2010, 02:55:51 PM
it takes a loooot of patience to do collage. i dont like to do it but they re nice to see them

A sad illustration of Elisabeth and her late son Rudolph

http://i41.tinypic.com/14no8dz.jpg (http://i41.tinypic.com/14no8dz.jpg)

The dead man is Ferenc Deák. An Hungarian politician and friend of Elisabeth.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/66vzi9.png)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 12, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
I always thought that the man was Rudolph but I heard that was other person, thanks for the info Rani. And glad you liked them Therry ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 13, 2010, 10:45:53 AM
Thanks for the info, Rani! i always thought it was Rudolph

Here an illustration about rudolphs death

(http://i42.tinypic.com/t9xekn.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 13, 2010, 10:58:16 AM
  We read that Sissy  went on long walks, and her entourage could hardly keep up with her.
 She rode at hunts all day and exhausted many of her male companions.
It seems she was obsessed with keeping her figure and keeping slim.
( a little like  Lady Di )

Corsets were a quick way to get slim and  Sissy seems to have been a devotee of the corset...
Perhaps back then it was a relatively new aid to female beauty..... and new
corsets ( whalebone ? )  were appearing in the shops every week !

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5146/theatreofblooddd18.jpg) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/theatreofblooddd18.jpg/)

This subject obviously needs a lot of research !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 16, 2010, 11:51:27 AM
I've never seen before that verssion of Rudolph's death, thank very much for posting it!
Yes, Sissi was obsessed at doing a lot of excercise for keeping herself slender and also making a diet of starving. She wasn't the only one who was devotee of corsets (a common underwear on the victorian age) but was one of the ladies of her time with the tiniest waists with only 50 cetimeters, that she could keep all her life
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 16, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
A nice portrait of Elisabeth

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2zgf8z9.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 16, 2010, 09:17:47 PM


Eliz of  Austria
24 December 1837 – 10 September 1898

Princess Alexandra
 December 1844 – 20 November 1925

Elizabeth was just 7 years older than Alexandra....
so they could easily have been sisters.
 I think they were the two outstanding
Royal beauties of the time..... both endlessly painted in oils
Both enthusiastically cheered by crowds whenever they appeared in public.
 No doubt Elizabeth.. like  Alexandra was endlessly depicted   in magazine illustrations...
in the  70s  80s and  90s .....often  copperplate engraving of a drawing or  cartoon.
Basically  both women  lived through the second half of the 19th century.

They were exciting times  with all kinds of new  inventions and novelties
including the bicycle craze of the  1880s ...
(though I ve yet to see a print of either Eliz or Alix pedalling along the country lanes !)



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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on March 25, 2010, 01:03:35 PM
A bronze cast of Sisi's left hand.
It belonged to Marie Valerie, who gave it as a present to her cousin Louise d'Orleans, princess Alfons of Bavaria, after Elisabeth's death.
It was auctioned few years ago.

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2357/sisihand605.jpg)

(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2375/sisihand605c.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 25, 2010, 01:26:43 PM
I didn't know anything about it. I have a pair of questions: When was it made? And Who made it?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Éole on March 26, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
A bronze cast of Sisi's left hand.
It belonged to Marie Valerie, who gave it as a present to her cousin Louise d'Orleans, princess Alfons of Bavaria, after Elisabeth's death.

What an odd present!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on March 29, 2010, 04:59:01 AM
it most definately is odd! i've heard about bronze masks or sculptures of the head...but this is the first hand ive seen!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 29, 2010, 01:39:51 PM
I agree totally with you that its a really odd present for someone :-S Really not common
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 29, 2010, 01:52:27 PM
I  think that it is a wonderful artifact and memento... obviously carried
out by a highly  skilled craftsman.
.
 Sissy was worshiped and venerated in her lifetime right across Europe...
 her picture forever  in the  papers and the  weekly magazines...
she   was a superstar.

  Imagine  if  Diana  had  sat for a similar cast.... or a  live mask ...
such items would be worth a king's ransome today.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on March 30, 2010, 11:02:47 AM
Not odd....Victorian.....:)
Queen Victoria had a cast of the arm of Edward VII (as a baby) made.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 13, 2010, 02:50:29 PM



I think this is made by Koppay


(http://i41.tinypic.com/24zlru9.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Princess Susan on April 23, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
Lovely images of young couple:

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/couple59.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/fjel58.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/empcouple55.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 23, 2010, 02:27:13 PM
The last one is completely new for me, about the first I haven't seen the verssion of Franz Joseph (only Sissi's) I wonder where is he, Sissi is next to lake Stanberg, but FJ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Princess Susan on April 26, 2010, 03:16:01 AM
I suppose Franz is somewere near Bad Ischl in mountins. It could belong to same hunting collection as following picture of him:

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/j59.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 26, 2010, 10:39:03 AM
Surely it must be related, the clothes and the landscape are similar...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
Composite of Elisabeth and Franz J

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2i9njm.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 29, 2010, 03:45:36 PM
Ridding a horse

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Amazon.jpg)

With her beloved cousin

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/SissiLudwig.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 30, 2010, 06:56:06 AM
Cabinet card based in a famous portrait

(http://i43.tinypic.com/k98e2w.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 30, 2010, 12:31:55 PM
Three images of Empress Sissi ridding...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/AmazonaSissi.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Amazona33.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Amazona22.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 01, 2010, 09:52:33 AM
a candy for the one who finds a decent and not blurry version of the second one!!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
I agree totally with Katenka, the original one was really small and I tryied to resize it but looks soooo blurry, I hope to see it soon ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2010, 03:29:05 PM
The Empress ridding a horse
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Horseback.jpg)
with FJ
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Horseback2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 14, 2010, 02:19:58 PM
There is a picture of Sisi wearing a dark dress with a long train, (around the mid-1860s, I think,) and sitting next to her is a medium sized dog. Does anyone know what the dog's name was, and/or any other information about him?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on May 16, 2010, 05:38:09 PM
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2798/sisi46x36cmframed.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on May 17, 2010, 01:57:02 AM
Thank You very very much Veronica , I've never seen this Elisabeth portrait !!!! Do you know if is it a contemporary artist ? However it is a wonderful gift  :) :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 17, 2010, 09:41:35 AM
Wow! I agree, it's totally new for me too, it must be surely based in some (more known) similar to this :-0
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 17, 2010, 12:32:01 PM
Thanks veronica for posting  something new!!! Althought i find she looks a bit..hmmm overweight?=
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 17, 2010, 03:40:05 PM
Its not the only portrait that shows Sissi overweighed, although we know that she wasn't
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 18, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
Would like to see a better verssion of this
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiBustle1.jpg)
Not as big as I would like...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/CrownSissi.jpg)
I wonder if really Andrassy put her the crown
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiSilberbraut.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 18, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
With a lady in waiting at Budapest 1895
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/1895Budapest.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Princess Susan on May 21, 2010, 04:24:16 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/empresselis.jpg)
The Empress on horseback, 1867.
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/coin1868.jpg)
"The family coin", 1868
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 25, 2010, 09:44:02 AM
This gotta be one of the most emotive sketchs about Elisabeth`s death

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2e66lxf.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 25, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
I haven't seen that sketch before, who are the man and woman portrayed in front of FJ? They look like gosths
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on May 25, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
Rudolf and Sisi.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 28, 2010, 02:12:47 PM
The gosths of Sissi and Rudolph, why? like saying him goodbye?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 28, 2010, 02:17:32 PM
or conforting him.
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Post by: Rani on May 29, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
By Stefanie Kink (1867)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/Unbenannt.jpg)

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 29, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
if it wasnt for her hairdo i wouldnt ever think its Elisabeth

This one is courtesy of Minnie from foros "dinastia". Elisabeth and franz Joseph with Nicholas ane Alexandra

(http://i47.tinypic.com/25ztqqf.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 31, 2010, 02:19:58 PM
Wonderful and unknown for me both!, I've only saw a detail of Sissi in the one of them with Nicholas and Alexandra
Thank you very much!
Their wedding (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Wedding2.jpg)
Arriving Vienna (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/ArrivalVienna.jpg)
Reception after FJ and Sissi's wedding (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/SissiFranz.jpg)
Arriving to Trieste (Sissi & FJ) (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Trieste.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 01, 2010, 08:10:15 AM
Does someone have info and a better version of this picture dated in 1855?. thanks in advanced

(http://i48.tinypic.com/9ir0wm.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 02, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
Sissi ridding a horse (surely with Franz Joseph) 1867
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/SissiAMAZON.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on June 03, 2010, 08:47:35 AM
Does someone have info and a better version of this picture dated in 1855?. thanks in advanced


I made a scan from " Bilder einer Kaiserin " of B. Hamann
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4595/scansionei.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/scansionei.jpg/)
( Click on image for a larger view )
Sisi with a lady in waiting in Venice during 1862 trip
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 03, 2010, 09:32:29 AM
Danke Schon!!!!!!! I love that one even when im not fond of her
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2010, 01:17:35 PM
I agree, thank you very much Therry, I haven't seen it in a verssion as good as this :-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2010, 02:12:53 PM
Finally a bit bigger, Sissi's coronation
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/CrownSissi.jpg)

Hunting
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/Hunting.jpg)
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Post by: Princess Susan on June 04, 2010, 10:33:49 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/hochzeit5.jpg)
Young Franz and Sisi. Is it their wedding celebration?

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/elisabeth_horse.jpg)
Elisabeth on horesback.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 04, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Yes, it must be of their wedding
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 04, 2010, 02:04:49 PM
Empress Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiC.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SisiC.jpg)
Would like to see the second bigger
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Post by: THERRY on June 05, 2010, 04:35:51 AM
Here you have
(http://i46.tinypic.com/20aaukp.jpg)
It is not the best but better than nothing!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 07, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Thank you soooo much Therry!!! ;-)
Sissi visiting wounded
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiVisitngWounded.jpg)
With FJ
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SSFJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 07, 2010, 01:47:46 PM
The first one doesnt look like Elisabeth at all. Not the hairdo she had in that period.

Ps: i dont want to be mean buy i hate itty bitty pictures when you cant barely see the people. I hope someone post a bigger version of the last one.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 11, 2010, 01:54:27 PM
I hope to see it bigger soon... help is neeeded! :-)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/SissiFranz.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on June 12, 2010, 12:05:30 PM
I hope to see it bigger soon... help is neeeded! :-)

(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3682/scansione0001.jpg) (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/scansione0001.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
You can see it bigger if you click on the image
This is a scan from a book of mine "Bilder einer Kaiserin" of B. Hamann
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 14, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Ohh! Thank you very much Therry!! ;-) Wonderful size and quality! Any idea of what are they doing there? (It looks like a theater)
about reply 95, the same image was posted not much time ago in this same thread
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on June 15, 2010, 05:48:56 AM
Ohh! Thank you very much Therry!! ;-) Wonderful size and quality! Any idea of what are they doing there? (It looks like a theater)
about reply 95, the same image was posted not much time ago in this same thread
Yes it is a theater and in specific they are in Milano-Italy during their trip in the 1856-57 winter.
The theater is famous "La Scala" of Milano.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Ohh! Thank you very much Therry!! ;-) Wonderful size and quality! Any idea of what are they doing there? (It looks like a theater)
about reply 95, the same image was posted not much time ago in this same thread
Yes it is a theater and in specific they are in Milano-Italy during their trip in the 1856-57 winter.
The theater is famous "La Scala" of Milano.
Wow! Now I see...  this must be of the time when FJ wanted to win the attention and love of the italians (who obviusly weren't happy of being under the government of Austria) and he hoped that they could be fascinated with Sissi's image, but they didn't reaction as he wanted
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2010, 03:10:32 PM
Its based on her most famous portrait (the face is the same, the background no), what a pity that the poor baby died very young, she was a really lovely girl!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2010, 09:44:41 AM
(please delete my post above since it was moved to a proper topic. Danke!)

With Wilhelm II, Franz Joseph Rudolph and Stephanie

(http://i47.tinypic.com/qof49t.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 23, 2010, 12:23:58 PM
Unknown for me, thanks!
Two statues
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/SissiStatue.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/SissiStatue2.jpg)
And a drawing
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/SissiDraw.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 24, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
Saying goodbye...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiSayingGoodbye.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 24, 2010, 02:32:20 PM
Elisabeth with the italian Queen and king

(http://i50.tinypic.com/eklt0n.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 24, 2010, 02:57:21 PM
It reminds me very much the other that you posted first... when or whit who was Empress Sissi on the first?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 24, 2010, 02:59:22 PM
Kaiser Wilhelm II , i think in late 1880s. Those are King Umberto I and queen Marguerite of Italy
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 24, 2010, 03:11:23 PM
Sissi looks so similar on both paintings (surely used the same portrait (the one made for her Silver Wedding) for both) so I thought was similar.
Thanks for the correction
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
The Empress visiting some hospital
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/ElisabethSissi.jpg)
A portrait
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiRetrato.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
Who thought!! i love illustrators!

Elisabeth and daughter in law Stephanie together  spending some time


(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rp8s4i.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2010, 03:02:02 PM
Amazing! I had never seen any illustration of Sissi with Stephanie (only them, no with family) :-0
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiEmpress.jpg)
Next to a coffin of a hungarian friend
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiSi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
She disliked Stephanie a lot so that s why i was so excite to find an illustration of both together

I dont think i ve seen this version here. If it was posted , sorry

(http://i46.tinypic.com/v5a0cg.jpg)


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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
Yes, I wonder if this happened really or was only created by illustrators (like many family portraits) Great Discovery! ;-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2010, 01:43:39 PM
Is this lady the Empress Sissi?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiPerhaps.jpg)

I found it on a hungarian site but it didn't have caption, she looks like her but perhaps she isn't (I'm not totally sure)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 01:46:40 PM
it could since illustrators put royals in such situations. But i cant image Elisabeth doing that for real

PS: This is the full version of an image i posted before.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2uzecgi.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2010, 02:03:18 PM
No, it's impossible to see Sissi doing that, but perhaps the illustrators represented her as this for showing her close to the people. Thanks for the full one of this :-)
For commemorate their coronation
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Medal.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Medal3.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Medal2.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2010, 02:28:59 PM
And Sissi alone
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/SissiMedal.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 15, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
This hat belonged to her...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/HatSissi.gif)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 15, 2010, 03:25:48 PM
Has anybody seen the one of Sissi in bigger size?
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/kaiserpaar.jpg)
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Post by: RoyalSophie on July 16, 2010, 08:18:34 AM
There is a picture of Sisi wearing a dark dress with a long train, (around the mid-1860s, I think,) and sitting next to her is a medium sized dog. Does anyone know what the dog's name was, and/or any other information about him?

I think I know which picture you mean. I will see if I can find it :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 16, 2010, 08:32:24 AM
Im not sure but it seems a colored version of this one

http://i35.tinypic.com/2e0r7g7.jpg
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 16, 2010, 01:50:00 PM
Now I see, yes it is. Only colored and showing more of her dress. Thanks Katenka! :-)
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Post by: miki_nastya on July 21, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
 Did anybody know what was the name of one of Sisi's horses or dogs?
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Post by: Veronica on July 21, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
I think Nihilist was the name of one of her horses. Then the famous dog named Shadow, and I think there was another one named Plato.
Of course she had more horses and dogs apart from them.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 21, 2010, 07:12:59 PM
Yes, Nihilistic was the name of one of her horses, she also had other horse named Domino (I think that she called it as this for its color).
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 22, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
When did Sisi have Shadow, and Plato? As well as those 2 horses.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2010, 03:06:46 PM
Several more...
At the time of their engagement, surely at Bad Ischl
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Engagement.jpg)
Kissing the hand of the Empress
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Madame.jpg)
the imperial family of Austria (with young Rudolph and the girl must be Marie Valerie)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Family.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2010, 03:10:16 PM
The hungarian Queen and King
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Hungary.jpg)
At the left
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Sisi.jpg)
Hunting
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Hunt.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2010, 03:17:10 PM
Of their engagement (in color and black and white)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/untitled.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/YoungSissi.jpg)
Young Sissi card
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Empress.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 02, 2010, 03:21:33 PM
Not sure of the event
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Aus.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/LadySisi.jpg)
On a teather
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sisifranz.jpg)

All of them courtesy: Sissi-Ludwig
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Post by: Countess of Monte Cristo on August 08, 2010, 01:28:30 AM
What boggles my mind is how in that hunting portrait, they could have possibly gotten anything.   You would think they'd scare all the animals away with that many people.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 09, 2010, 01:04:01 PM
Haven't considered that possibility before... I think that anyways that way of hunting functioned if no they shouldn't practice it
An amazon...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/XIX.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 18, 2010, 02:32:11 PM
Has someone seen this in better quality? Thanks in advanced
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/IsabelSissi.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 20, 2010, 03:04:27 PM
Found this as Sissi, but I'm not totally sure
Click here (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Sissi.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on August 20, 2010, 06:06:32 PM
Oh, yes. That´s her!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 23, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, I even thought that it was a portrait of her young sister Marie
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 07, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
Finally this much better
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/sisi16.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on September 08, 2010, 02:11:54 AM
A splendid new one !!! Thank You very much Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
You're welcome Therry! XD
The stylet used by Luigi Lucheni for assasinate the Empress Sissi at Geneva, into two days 112 years ago.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/geneva.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2010, 01:19:34 PM
After a while of looking for this...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/imperatrice.jpg)
Courtesy: nova3.com
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 08, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
Elisabeth and some of her ladies in waiting during a ball

(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9975/bvalll.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/bvalll.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Countess of Monte Cristo on September 08, 2010, 04:48:49 PM
Irony means "diez septiembre" is the answer to the first question of your Spanish homework...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 09, 2010, 07:16:16 AM
With who are you talking about?
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Post by: Countess of Monte Cristo on September 09, 2010, 03:30:43 PM
Yesterday on my Spanish homwork I freaked out because the first answer was September 10th and then when I finished it I saw all those pictures! Scary..... And then tomorrow's the 10th...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 09, 2010, 07:00:26 PM
ohh i see!! ^^
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 10, 2010, 02:02:54 PM
Today is Empress Sissi's 112th anniversary of death.
Rest In Peace

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/rosaroja.jpg)
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Post by: Countess of Monte Cristo on September 11, 2010, 02:08:09 PM
Irony also means that on September 10th a friend almost stabs you with a plastic knife....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 14, 2010, 04:25:47 PM
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/586/cfvbvbvb.jpg) (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/cfvbvbvb.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Pezzazz on September 15, 2010, 09:18:02 AM
(http://www.dorotheum.com/typo3temp/pics/3bab38a5da.jpg)

(http://www.dorotheum.com/typo3temp/pics/0471936fe8.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 16, 2010, 05:28:00 PM
I haven't seen the first in color before :-0 I was wondering if anyone has seen any painting about Sissi's wedding... there are several drawings but I haven't seen any painting. Thanks in advanced about some answer
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Post by: heavensent on September 18, 2010, 01:09:11 PM
lovely tribute Alzbeta..... she was only 44 on that terrible day...10th Sept 1898
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Post by: miki_nastya on September 18, 2010, 02:22:58 PM
you mean that Sisi was only 44 when she died? I'm sorry but she was 61.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 18, 2010, 02:31:49 PM
oops.....   she  reigned   44 years

wonder if we have her last ever photo ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 18, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
Yes, Sissi was nearly 61. She was born on December 24th 1837. So for september 1898 she was 60 years with aprox. 9 months.
Are you reffering to some deathbed photo? I haven't seen none, and doubt that there is one. I've only seen some drawings about her on her deathbed posted on the previous three parts
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2010, 07:16:49 AM
I always thought that it was taken in Geneva, thanks for the info.
Empress Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/empressaustria1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 07:42:46 AM
Ok! i saw that one yesterday and its pretty dreadful and looks more like Helene than Elisabeth

lovely drawn of Elisabeth

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8546/pictureaspxq.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/pictureaspxq.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on September 21, 2010, 09:40:37 AM
Ok! i saw that one yesterday and its pretty dreadful and looks more like Helene than Elisabeth

lovely drawn of Elisabeth

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8546/pictureaspxq.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/pictureaspxq.jpg/)

 

This is indeed Elisabeth. It is a charcoal drawing / sketch by Georg Raab. As far as I know this always remained a draft. He never painted it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 10:27:05 AM
Well, men used to look older than women since they used moustache and  a lot of them lost their hair.

BTW here s the full of that illustration. It shows the whole family

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5283/89sissifranzfamilie.jpg) (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/89sissifranzfamilie.jpg/)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 21, 2010, 10:41:37 AM
so what you are saying is that the whole of the editorial staff of  "Royal Romances" magazine  got it wrong and that photo isnt taken in Geneva about an hour before the assassination ?
Maybe someone living in Geneva... ( or Territet )   can find the exact shop and confirm the location .
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 10:43:47 AM
Well, its not inusual that some magazines, encyclopedies and etc got mislabeled images with wrong descriptions. That happens a lot, now and then

That picture was taken in march of 1898 and it was her last picture known
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2010, 10:57:36 AM
I think that in her portraits of old age she never reprsents the age that she really had (one example is her posthumus portrait made at 1899 by Laszlo, she looks like less than 30!!) It is because many of her portraits were based in old ones (showing her young) and the artists only made her to look a bit older (with the fashion of the time or some little wrinkles on her face).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2010, 10:59:13 AM
Thanks for the info, she wasn't definitively at Geneva at march 1898!! Definitively there isn't other more recent...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 11:47:47 AM
The only accurate thing about sissi`s face was her post mortem mask.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on September 21, 2010, 12:04:12 PM
Elisabeth stopped having herself photographed and painted by artists in her mid-thirties. From that point on, she didn't want anyone to see her face aging. She was hiding it with veils or fans. So artists had no 'living object' they could portray and had to use their fantasy or create their works based on the few existing pictures of the empress. That is why Elisabeth always looks younger than Franz Joseph.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on September 21, 2010, 12:27:35 PM
The photo was taken on September 3rd in Territet. The building is part of the Grand Hotel close to the lake and it still exists. Today, the shop in front of which Elisabeth is standing is only a passage, the Hotel is a usual apartment building. If you are still having doubts about the picture, I'd recommend some research on your own on the internet or read the book by Irma Sztaray. Which is a great book, by the way. It is not uncommon that even historic experts date pictures wrong or name persons wrong. That happens even to Brigitte Hamann, the writer of Elisabeth's biography and even the ÖNB labels pictures wrong.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on September 21, 2010, 12:28:47 PM
i know thats  elisabeth,. I was talking about the one posted by Kaiserin A ;-D

Ahh okay, then this was a misunderstanding. Sorry. :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 12:31:42 PM
in some books it says it was taken on March of 1898 0_o
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on September 21, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
The only accurate thing about sissi`s face was her post mortem mask.

Yes, and it was scary to see the true age, fallen cheeks, hollow eyes and wrinkled skin.......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2010, 02:40:19 PM
Well...it actually looks pretty good for a woman in her 60s.

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2135/totenmaske02.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/totenmaske02.jpg/)

 

I think she had a wonderful bone structure  and that helps a lot to look good with skin tends to fall down!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 21, 2010, 04:01:33 PM
This portrait was done in the year of her death...  1898

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4114/elizportraitdonetheyear.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/elizportraitdonetheyear.jpg/)







Elizabeth aged 17.....  a  stunning beauty  back then....
go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=35&p=1054#p1054
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 21, 2010, 05:44:48 PM
The subject of Emp  Elizabeth  is fertile ground  for a musical.... the lovely Elizabeth... the
  fairytale  Schonbrunn Palace....  the alpine setting of Austria and Bavaria.... Elizabeth's cousin.. King Ludwig
... there could even be a tenor part for  Wagner too !  (I wonder if  Eliz ever met him ? )

Ill have to get onto Andrew Lloyd Webber....  it  could become the "masterwork" of his whole career !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on September 22, 2010, 08:41:13 AM
Well...it actually looks pretty good for a woman in her 60s.

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2135/totenmaske02.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/totenmaske02.jpg/)



I think she had a wonderful bone structure  and that helps a lot to look good with skin tends to fall down!

I have seen a different one.....I need to check my source this weekend and I will post where I found it. The death mask looks very much like her mother's face and that of her sisters in old age (of whom we have pictures).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 08:45:44 AM
There s another deathmask? this one is from Sissi`s museum in vienna

http://www.hofburg-wien.at/en/things-to-know/sisi-museum.html
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 22, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
Isnt it about time we had a pic of  Sissy's mother.. ? then perhaps we will see just where she got those wonderful looks from !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 09:13:12 AM
Well...Ludovika was a beauty (No, i dont trust in portraits...sorry) but she had a good bone structure.

Check the topics in the "Wittlebasch" section. There s a thread about her and Sisi`s father, Maximilian.

Ps

here

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=7504.0
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
CDVs of their coronation as King and Queen of Hungary
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/cdvSissi.jpg)
Medal surely for commemorate their wedding
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/medal.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2010, 01:29:52 PM
A nice miniature of Elisabeth

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/915/miniature.jpg) (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/miniature.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 29, 2010, 03:06:31 PM
 
 Elizabeth.... age 16 ....leaves Munich on the 20th April 1854

It must have been a wonderful time with crowds lining the streets to watch her go by...
 
( brings to mind poor old Marie Antoinette  leaving Vienna to travel to Paris !
Marie and Elizabeth both had tragic lives and they both met an untimely end )

She was  on a 3 day journey to Vienna and marriage with Franz Josef


(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5551/elizage16leavesmunichon.jpg) (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/elizage16leavesmunichon.jpg/)

   Check out  the  16 year old Elizabeth... she had a wasp waist even back then !  )
go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=35&p=1065#p1065


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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 30, 2010, 02:04:29 PM
Well, she kept her wasp waist all her life... Those three days that you mention also include her journey on ship through the Danube?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on September 30, 2010, 02:50:49 PM
It must have been an interesting journey... and  sailing  "upstream "  too !
there must be an account of it somewhere  .
Her mother is in the coach leaving Munich  ( wonder if she chaperoned her daughter the whole journey ?  )
  Of course Princess Alexandra made another famous journey from Denmark   by land and sea to London and the loving arms of Prince Edward .

(Pity my pic posted above isnt a lot bigger.... there must be some pic reduction setting
on this forum...   )
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 30, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
A lovely fan...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/fan.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 30, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
Yes, the forum automatically resize large pictures. But you can always post the direct link to the image

here is it

http://img831.imageshack.us/f/elizage16leavesmunichon.jpg/

thanks for the hi-res!

And a contribution. Franz Josef flirting with his wife...

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8230/imagelarge2.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/imagelarge2.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 01, 2010, 07:40:39 AM
From an auction: Empress Elisabeths photo album

A pity, the photo is not big enough to see more deatils. I can see Mathilde with Sophie, Sophie later, Ludwig/Marie/Henriette, Gisela

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/65306_d.jpg)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/65306_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 01, 2010, 07:56:04 AM
Somewhere in this forum is the lrge version of that one of Mathilde and Sophie

These portraits are new for me

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7906/jklhsrt.jpg) (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/jklhsrt.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 01, 2010, 08:30:58 AM
No problem!

:)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/tod.jpg)

"The end of the murderer of our Empress!"
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 01, 2010, 08:41:26 AM
I will look for that image because im sure i ve seen it ^^

Here to complement the last you posted., Luccheni in his cell

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4115/imagelarge4.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/imagelarge4.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2010, 09:58:17 AM
Great pics! Here Sissi on a theater
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/teatrosissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 01, 2010, 11:02:51 AM
Thanks Katenka in advance!  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
Talking about Empress Sissi's death... a pic about her being taken from the ship to the Hotel Beau Rivage where she died
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/geneveve.jpg)
Haven't seen full...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 01, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Isuspect that a lot of these illustrations were done specifically for magazines
probably copper plate engravings.... no doubt Vienna... like London had no end
of these  "womens magazines" back in the 90s  !  Empress Eliz must have
been their stock in trade.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on October 01, 2010, 05:58:36 PM
Somewhere in this forum is the lrge version of that one of Mathilde and Sophie

Really? I've looking for that photo for ages, since I found that auction in Hermann Historica.


I will look for that image because im sure i ve seen it

If you find it please post!!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 02, 2010, 06:03:25 AM
im trying to remember in which forum i see it. Since i dont care anyone of them i didnt save it or if i did i did it in my other computer =(


This is new for me

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3448/xdr76.jpg) (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/xdr76.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 02, 2010, 11:47:28 AM
Lovely!  :)
Do you know who drew it?
Looks like 1870s, based on her bustle, and she's too young looking for it to be 1880s..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on October 03, 2010, 10:00:45 AM
im trying to remember in which forum i see it. Since i dont care anyone of them i didnt save it or if i did i did it in my other computer =(
This is new for me
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/xdr76.jpg/

This is a scan that I've made in an Italian forum  http://www.elisabeth-sissi.org/  from a book of mine. You and anybody want, can find all my scan here  http://news.webshots.com/photo/2312099080102800639FCbqhQ
 :) :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 01:24:50 PM
Amazon Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/kaiserin.jpg)
made by a hungarian artist, but honesly I think that the face doesn't resemble her very much
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
I've seen the original photo on which it is based, but I've never seen that there was a painting based on it... I wonder if the full one shows all her body...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/elizsissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on October 05, 2010, 06:13:40 AM
THIS painting is new for me too, but there are a lot of paintings based on the famous photo of coronation in Hungary 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 05, 2010, 06:27:49 AM
Thanks. K.A.! Tho i dont like it cause her chin looks odd.

A beautiful portrait of Elisabeth

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9205/113sissbraut.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 05, 2010, 10:25:21 AM
Here's a bit fuller one in B&W:
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/535/youngwhitegauze.jpg)
It is lovely, isn't it? I love the expression on her face, sort of like she's looking over out of the picture to someone on the sly & smiling.
Does anyone have the full in color?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 05, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
LOVELY...  she  could be  age  17  there ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 05, 2010, 10:29:03 AM
I think yes, it looks like the ones made in the time of her engagement or first years of marriage. I think that she must be less than 20
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 05, 2010, 10:51:08 AM
Eliz... prob  aged  16 !   where are those flowing locks ?
The lovely .... teenage Elizabeth must have been the talk of Vienna way back in 1854 !
she must have featured in all the magazines and publications of the time

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4130/elizandfranzshortlyafte.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/elizandfranzshortlyafte.jpg/)


Elizabeth... Queen of the Hunt
go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=35&p=1071#p1071
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on October 06, 2010, 03:39:07 AM
(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/37576/2895972590102800639S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2895972590102800639GVZBVJ)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 06, 2010, 01:05:25 PM
Better quality:
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5535/paintinginwhite.jpg)
Tho I actually like the way her dress looks in the other one better.  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 09, 2010, 10:27:39 AM
Here is a gallery of Sissi photos I found. It's in German, so some of you may not be able to read it, but there are several rare (at least for me,) photos, paintings and sketches. For those of you non-German speakers, if you click on the "ansehen" below each picture it will take you to a seperate gallery, which from there you can click in the "GroBansicht" to see a bigger version of the picture.
here's the link:   http://www2.onb.ac.at/siteseeing/ba/elisabeth/katalog01.html   :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 09, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
Those are the same you can find and order as print at the ONB digital gallery
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 11, 2010, 08:41:26 AM
Haven't seen this portrait before in color... amazon
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/pictoSiss.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 11, 2010, 09:03:47 AM
I like this one


(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/image_large7.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 11, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
A lovely young couple! XD
The cover of a newspaper (September 1898)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/geneva.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 11, 2010, 02:22:34 PM
Lovely  pic    203 ......  age  19  ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 11, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
I'm guessing engagement or wedding, so around 17.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2010, 02:54:16 PM
Old newspaper illustrations (hope to see in better quality)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/amaxonasis.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 09:04:58 AM
An "artsy portrait" of Elisabeth

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/296/imagelarge10.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/imagelarge10.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 16, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
 Thanks....   very interesting.... would be fab in colour I bet !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
i wish there was a copy in color but i doubt it since its an illustration =(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 16, 2010, 04:08:40 PM
It would make a fabulous holiday... a flight to Munich and then a trip to visit  Posenhoffen... Elizabeth's
childhood home  ( 17 miles south of Munich )
 go here
http://celebheaven.freepowerboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=35&p=1089#p1089

(am I right ?  I can hardly believe that there's such wonderful scenery so near a big city like Munchen !)

Continuing the holiday  travelling to Vienna and visiting the haunts of Elizabeth... the palace.. Schonbrunn...  Hofburg
etc.   Perhaps ending the holiday with a visit to Geneva.
I'm dreaming.. Ill never have the funds for such a venture... but someone just might do it... and if they do
maybe he or  she  will  zip up a 1000  of her digi photos...upload to hotfile... and send a link to this forum !
Heres hoping !




Eliz and Franz at  Palace  Godollo ( Hungary ) in 1871  

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8543/elizandfranzatgodolloin.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elizandfranzatgodolloin.jpg)



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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 16, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
i wish there was a copy in color but i doubt it since its an illustration =(

 The pic is   no doubt scanned from some magazine or other... but the original artwork will be in colour !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
if its an illustration of the era (1880s- 1890s) its not in colors but in black and white. There was no illustrations in color, just handtinted.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 16, 2010, 04:51:17 PM
YES   but that will be a photo of an illustration  some  artist has painted in colour..
prob watercolour
The magazine has then printed the b and  white  photo
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 16, 2010, 06:36:02 PM
Lets hope so!! ^^

an illustration from a book about royal ladies

(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2568/royalgirlsroyalc00sher0.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/i/royalgirlsroyalc00sher0.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 16, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
Eliz and Franz at  Palace  Godollo ( Hungary ) in 1871

LOL, what DID you think when you wrote that? That those ö's and ő's in Gödöllő just are something which the Hungarians think is important but don't apply to you?

But mind you, the diacritics are not there for nothing, but because it's pronounced [ˈ'gřdřl:ːřː ], not /ɡodoloː/. The letters ö and ő represent the same vowel sound in Hungarian: /ř/, but ö represents the short form [ř], while ő represents the long form [ř:]. (Note that Hungarian apparently also has long consonants!)

Perhaps people who are severely challenged with regard to Central European orthography should stick to the established German form of the name of that town and palace: Getterle!
It's not following in the Magyarophile Sisi's footsteps, but nevertheless a smaller monstrosity than "Godollo"! The Germanified form Gödöllö, with only dotted o's and not an o with double acute accents, could also be an alternative, I guess, since as said, as ö and ő represent the same vowel in Hungarian, the difference only being the length. Perhaps one could thus even write Gödöllöö!?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 18, 2010, 02:41:59 PM
Two of Sissi as a young Empress
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/elizsissi.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/elizsissi1.jpg)
The hungarian Queen
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/modernsissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2010, 06:00:15 AM
Pure originality!!!

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8510/62945258063725a8575.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/62945258063725a8575.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2010, 12:22:55 PM
I love this pic below!!! XD
The hungarian Queen Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sissihungara.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 22, 2010, 12:33:16 PM
Handtinted verssion of this
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/handtinted.jpg)
the imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/familyaustria.jpg)
The black lady
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/blacksissi2.jpg)
In front of Rudolph's grave?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 22, 2010, 12:35:24 PM
With the Austrian Imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/impfam.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/ausfamcolor.jpg)
With people
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/cisarovnaalzbeta.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 22, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
A modern painting of Elisabeth . By M. Markowski

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7572/empresselisabethatreids.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/empresselisabethatreids.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on October 22, 2010, 07:34:53 PM
Mmm   charming... wonder who did it ..
someone on this forum perhaps ?
(they must be  Corfu seagulls )
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 23, 2010, 06:53:53 AM
The Queen of the Hungarians
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/hungarianqueen.jpg)
Sissi being taken from the harbour to her hotel after fainting on the ship (september 10th, 1898)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/ginebra.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 24, 2010, 06:19:39 AM

The hungarian Queen
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/modernsissi.jpg)

Webpage of the artist who made this wonderful portrait

http://www.albertflury.com/
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 25, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
The black lady
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/blacksissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 25, 2010, 12:41:20 PM
Liszt playing the piano for the Imperial Family of Austria
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/liszt.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 25, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
This is a curious photomontage of Elisabeth made in 1898

(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7190/25488108467682502227100.jpg) (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/25488108467682502227100.jpg/)

 

The original one was taken by Ludwig Angerer in 1863 (according the ONB info)

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4208/port0015989102.jpg) (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/port0015989102.jpg/)

 
Gotta love victorian "photoshop"!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
I have never noticed that this photo was a photomontage, it's quite funny to see how the photos were "recycled" on the past! XD
Hope to see this in better quality
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/austriafam.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 29, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
A nice portrait of Elisabeth

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8292/85231243139798031121542.jpg) (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/85231243139798031121542.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 30, 2010, 06:57:51 AM
Thank you very much, I had never seen the full verssion before!! XD
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 01, 2010, 02:54:54 PM
The imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/austria-1.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 03, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
The Young Empress Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/sisi.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 04, 2010, 01:54:15 PM
Lovely and young...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sisi2.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sisi1.jpg)
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Post by: Carisbrooke on November 05, 2010, 02:49:30 AM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8839/sissipicsachilleioncopy.jpg)

From the official Achilleion guidebook 1992.
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Post by: THERRY on November 05, 2010, 07:37:35 AM
Another lovely and young one... (I presume it's rare; I've never seen it on this forum, and it also seems to have been painted by a modern artist. But it could have been comtemporary.  ???)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8587/paintingyoung.jpg
This beautiful painting of Elisabeth is reproduced in some books about the Empress, but no one report the author and Ulla Fischer write "unreadable signature"
Here a bigger version
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2466056780102800639xqEmeo
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 05, 2010, 10:16:34 AM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8839/sissipicsachilleioncopy.jpg)
From the official Achilleion guidebook 1992.
Any info about this one? ^
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Post by: Carisbrooke on November 08, 2010, 02:01:36 AM
   The 2nd painting or a copy of it is certainly at the Achilleion, as I've seen it recently on a u tube video. Unfortunately as to the 1st the guidebook has no credits or any description relating to it. The picture is merely positioned at the beginning of a chapter entitled, Elizabeth : The Sad Empress of Austria. So as to who painted it, when it was painted, & more important where it is now I could not say.

   You may ask if I saw the painting in the 90's when I last visited the palace ?  My answer to that would be is, my head says yes but my heart tells me no, & time plays tricks with the memory. The reason it may not be there is, the Achilleion came through the WWI & WWII in much the same state as AP, loosing most of its treasures to collectors throughout the world. This portrait to my eye oozes gallery quality, so I suspect the original may not be at the palace.

   I'm sorry I can't be of any more assistance in this matter, though surely there must be someone out there who can tell us more. By the way, my guess for what its worth is, its by Winterhalter or a pastiche of the said artist.   
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2010, 10:30:48 AM
It is interesting that we do not see a lot of photos of Elisabeth in Achillion.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 08, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
That picture of Sisi in the cream gown does not look like a painting, but a colorised photograph.  ???
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 08, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
That picture of Sisi in the cream gown does not look like a painting, but a colorised photograph.  ???
Which one?? The one showing her profile and with a tiara that Carisbrooke posted?
If is this I honestly doubt that can be neither a modern colored photo nor a handtinted photo of that time, I think that is really a painting, in any case I have never seen the supposed black and white original in the case of being really a photo.
Have no idea of who painted it, many of her paintings are unknown for me the names of their authors
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Post by: Carisbrooke on November 09, 2010, 06:59:59 AM
That picture of Sisi in the cream gown does not look like a painting, but a colorised photograph.  ???

   I must agree with Kaiserin, I believe it is a painting. I am prepared to let go of my Winterhalter theory, but having said that if you check out the well known Winterhalter portrait, "Elizabeth with diamond stars in her hair". That column to her left, which we only catch a glimpse of in my scan, looks remarkably similar.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
I don't think it was a Winterhalter. the style is very different.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 09, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
mmmm... I don't think that Winterhalter made this portrait... the majority of his paintings look different to the style used in this. I think that was surely made by a not well known artist. I'll continue searching... Hope to find the solution
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 13, 2010, 06:28:57 AM
Even tho its an small image, a glimpse of an "old" Elisabeth next to Franz Josef! . 1886


(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7905/00522635.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/00522635.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2010, 10:44:49 AM
wow! Sissi was so near to her 50's on that pic... I wonder why she didn't cover her face (??) (as difference of her other scarce photos in maturer age). Thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2010, 10:51:47 AM
Well, I think that Sissi felt unable to care Rudolph after little Sophie's death (only one year before Rudi's birth), she herself gave to the Archduchess the only surviving Gisela after that event, anyways, she dare to care Marie Valerie by herself but I knew that she overprotected the girl very much (I also read that MV's health was a bit fragile on her childhood), so Sissi  cared her very much (for obvious reasons, she surely wouldn't recover from the death of her beloved daughter, plus it would take again to her the memories of losing her eldest daughter), the problem was that MV felt embarrased sometimes of this situation. She didn't care very much Rudolph althoug she supported many of his desitions as older (but unsucessfully) and also when she changed his bad tutor... well, this was enough for getting Rudolph's eternal gratitude.
I think too that Archduchess Sophie didn't do very much (or better to say, let Sissi to care MV), I think that for the time of Marie Valerie's birth she was quite old and also very affected for the death of her beloved son Maximilian of Mexico... so she let the mother to care her daughter.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Linnie on November 15, 2010, 04:35:47 PM
There is a rare photography of Elizabeth in her late fifties in a French book entitled L'impératrice anarchiste. I don't have a scanner, though. In her last years, she looked very much her age, especially her face.
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Post by: Svetabel on November 16, 2010, 12:07:03 AM
Even tho its an small image, a glimpse of an "old" Elisabeth next to Franz Josef! . 1886




 


That woman looks more like Gisela, daughter of the Imperial Pair.
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Post by: Pezzazz on November 16, 2010, 08:13:53 AM
I've often wondered why Sisi was so popular in Hungary and why she loved Hungary best considering that Franz Joseph was mostly disliked by that country?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:03:10 AM
I thought that too but its more posible that s the empress. It was during a visit of Kaiser Wilhelm II to Vienna.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:04:51 AM
Most likely had it been Sisi, she would be dressed in black and wore a veil. The lady looked too happy to be out and about...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:05:55 AM
It was before 1889, so why she would be wearing a black mourning dress and veil?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:10:42 AM
Anyway, she liked dark clothes (black, blue...etc) that enhanse her beauty. I don't think she was usually pleased in public, especially in Vienna. Had it been in Hungary, it would be more possible.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:13:49 AM
She s wearing a dark dress. That light colored thing is just a coat
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
I still do not think it is her. The smiling is too smug.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
Oh god, now Elisabeth never smiled and it was always hidding from public and wearing black , even before Rudolf`s death....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:21:34 AM
Sisi did use the fan to block people taking photos of her and usually chicken out of big events in Vienna unless it was required of her. Also she usually appear in banquet in doors too. If you read books about her, you will know that even on her grand entance to Vienna upon her marriage, she commented to her mother that she felt like "a monkey on show". In this she was very like Alicky in terms of detesting public appearances.
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Post by: heavensent on November 16, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
I think the Coronation in Hungary .....8th June 1867  at Budapest Cathedral... must have
been a wonderful  occasion.
The  composer  .. Franz Liszt  confirms that Elizabeth looked  radiant  that day
.... it was probably the height of the  Royal  couple's  popularity.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
Sisi was a rebel and favour the Hungarians since they took her to their hearts unlike the Austrians, Bohemians who critized her in favour of her mother-in-law.
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Post by: aor on November 16, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
I do think it is the Empress Elisabeth, but I do not think it's Franz J.......I have seen this pic before and I think it is CP Friedrich of Prussia that is her companion. It also looks like it is taken at one of the German Health Spa's.......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 10:02:24 AM
I don't think we can get an agreement here. I do agree with you that it was not FJ at the lady's side.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 10:04:52 AM
Reading the caption it says Wilhelm I so it could be also him

Here s in german

"Franz Joseph und Elisabeth verlassen nach einem Besuch bei Kaiser Wilhelm I. das Badeschloß in Bad Gastein. Photographie von Max Balde. 1886."
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Post by: Pezzazz on November 16, 2010, 11:09:31 AM
http://tinyurl.com/32jrzyn

in Royal Romances and Tragedies -- pg 58

This is the other side of the celebrated love FJ had for his wife and although some of the facts are way off, it would fit better with what is actually known of Sisi's desire to not be anywhere near Vienna. 
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Post by: aor on November 16, 2010, 01:06:25 PM
Katenka, I do not know much about Wilhelm I.....I was guessing CP Friedrich because of stature and uniform. If I am not mistaken there is another photograph, taken at the same time that shows both couples.....I am racking my brain where I saw that picture......sorry to be not more help.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 16, 2010, 03:42:09 PM
About the comment of the lady (labeled as Sissi) looking like Gisela... in several of the photos labeled as Sissi in maturer age the lady (considered as Sissi if she really isn't her) always resemble Gisela very much (like the photo in Terriet with her lady in waiting).
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 16, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
Sissi preffered hungarians perhaps for revenge of her mother in law, an had a better relationship with them than with austrians, they by their side saw Sissi as their beautiful providence. Austrians didn't like her very much (probably as consecuence of the attitude that her mother in law took against her and for her not being so interested in Austria).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Elske on November 17, 2010, 04:04:38 AM
The people on the photo are Franz Josef and Elisabeth (8 June 1886). They are leaving the Badeschloss in Bad Gastein after they have visited emperor Wilhelm I. To honour his guest Franz Josef wears a uniform of his Prussian regiment.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on November 17, 2010, 07:35:41 AM
could be, but the difference in height between Empr. Elisabeth and her compagnion is off. FJ was not that much taller then his wife.
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Post by: Elske on November 17, 2010, 07:52:28 AM
could be, but the difference in height between Empr. Elisabeth and her compagnion is off. FJ was not that much taller then his wife.

Got it from: Elisabeth Wunschbilder oder Die Kunst der Retouche by Garda Mraz/Ulla Fischer-Westhauser

They look about the same height to me.
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Post by: heavensent on November 17, 2010, 10:15:12 AM
jUST a few things Ive read about Empress Elizabeth...

she was  5' 8".... which I dare say was quite tall for a woman back then

she had a 16"  waist..... !  perhaps only at certain times.... like when she had obsessions with corsets and tight lacing.
..... much to  mother in law Sophie's  dismay .....

She never weighed more than 111  lbs.... probably she was   " small boned " and naturally slim.

Interestingly I also read that her diary was destroyed by the police after her tragic death
.... (wot an act of vandalism by the force ! who knows what gems were to be found in there !)

In her poetry  she refers to herself as ... "Titania".... (Shakespeare's Fairy Queen )

( you d think  her poems would be up on the net somewhere  by now !  )




.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 17, 2010, 10:27:01 AM
you d think  her poems would be up on the net somewhere  by now !
They are. Take a look at this thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10044.0
I could post one of her poems that I have in a book, if you'd like.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
Well we still are not sure who the people in the photo are...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
I think that she must be Sissi... who would be the companion of Franz Joseph if the lady isn't Sissi??
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Post by: Trianon on November 17, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
I think also that the woman looks like Gisela, but it could be also the Empress. Elisabeth visited Bad Gastein in 1885 and 1886, FJ in 1885 (and other political meetings) according to this webside:
http://www.gastein.com/de-presse-historisches_gastein_eine_zeitgeschichtliche_reise-56.shtml

Maybe she didn't expect any photographers? And to the height: I think FJ looks here taller because of his hat.
But something looks weird in the pic - look at his shoes, looks like he would fall down the next moment or is it just my sight?
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Post by: heavensent on November 17, 2010, 02:49:21 PM
Corfu.....  worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQj7nhn6bw&feature=related
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
I think it was Gisela, it would be the elder daughter to partner with her father if her mother chicken out yet again.
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Post by: Elske on November 18, 2010, 01:05:14 AM
I think it was Gisela, it would be the elder daughter to partner with her father if her mother chicken out yet again.

Sigh......This is going to be an endless discussion...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 04:24:34 AM
Elske, dont try to beat the dead horse . Its useless, im telling you! ;-D
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 18, 2010, 09:26:40 AM
Neat video of Corfu, albiet a bit wobbly and fuzzy. I never knew what the inside looked like.
Ok, here are the two poems from inside my Sissi book:
One she wrote 14 days after she married FJ: (exerpt)

Oh, had I but never left the path,
That would have lead to freedom,
Oh, that on the big broad avenues,
Of vanity had I never strayed!
I have awakened in a dungeon,
With chains on my hands,
And my longing ever stronger--
And freedom. You turned from me!
I have awakened from a rapture,
Which held my spirit captive,
And vainly do I curse this exchange,
In which I gambled you, freedom, away.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 18, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
I need not tell you of the time,
Which once united us as intimate,
And which neither you nor I could ever forget,
However endlessly distant it may seem yet.
Do you remember that sweet trice,
Where I from the will-less frame,
Did kiss the soul from thy lips,
That it might ever more be mine?
I have perforce,had to battled through,
And felt much bitter pain since then;
But to see our love die, though,
Nought hath struck my heart so heavily as that.
--as if to Franz Josef, later on. I don't know if she actually did give it to him, or if he read it, but I hardly think so.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 18, 2010, 09:37:23 AM
There are three, actually.
To the "souls of the future":

I wander lonely before me on this planet earth,
All yearning long since gone, and life;
To share my innermost there is no companion,
There never was a soul who understood.
I flee the world, it's pleasures too,
And it's people are distant to me now;
Their joys foreign to my distress;
I wander lonely as if upon a star.
And my soul, heavy to burst,
Mute sensuality is not enough,
What it needs is found in song,
And this I am burying in my book.
This will keep you faithfully into an age,
From souls who understand you not in this life,
Till one day, following lengthy years of change,
These songs, blooming, do revive.

Pretty powerful, eh? My book says that she wrote poems enough to cover 600 pages!  :o Wish I could see those!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 18, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
People criticise  her poetry  as  banal  but the fact that they were written by Elizabeth
makes them important and fascinating.
 I guessing... those 3 are in the sonnet form ?  perhaps more musical and rhyming in the German
language.
 Whatever else Elizabeth did, she has left a vast  literary heritage.... probably a lot  of her poetry  
survives in manuscript too... (worth a lot of money today no doubt !)

Cant think of any literary heritage that Diana left behind  !

Again and again, reading of  say Princess Alexandra and other British Royals we hear that
"her letters   were burned after her death",  sounds like something similar
was happening in the   Hapsburg dynasty too... they want to stiffle all kinds of gossip
and tittle tattle.....  the police burning   Elizabeth's diary  too  shortly after her death .... !
its a wonder there is anything left !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on November 18, 2010, 10:03:03 AM
Poems from some famous people like Goethe are totally boring, but it was Goethe.
I like the cynicism and the mean humour of Elisabeth. She wasn´t an angel. But this makes it even more interesting. IMO.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on November 18, 2010, 10:47:42 AM
IMaybe she didn't expect any photographers? And to the height: I think FJ looks here taller because of his hat.
But something looks weird in the pic - look at his shoes, looks like he would fall down the next moment or is it just my sight?

I was looking at the shoulder height of the male person, not the top of his hat.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 11:49:58 AM
He did appear to be taller...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 18, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
Well, the height of Franz Joseph and Sissi was similar, in the photo it doesn't look to be a great difference between them (only a bit for the hat). There aren't much photos showing  a maturer Sissi but the ones labeled as her she doesn't look as young. I wouldn't doubt that Gisela inherited certain features from her mother, and Sissi with faded beauty resembled Gisela more than younger. Would Gisela been choosed by her father to accompain him to a event of this kind?? I doubt so.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 18, 2010, 01:50:14 PM
Personally I don't think that Sissi was a particularly great writer, I've read translations of some of her poems and they aren't so interesting. She only used poetry to express all about her feelings (the ones I've read) or other things she tought. I think that they haven't trascended to time very much
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 18, 2010, 01:51:43 PM
All right, since it seems like every Sisi/Hapsburg fan on this board is getting into this discussion, I wil too.  :P
At first glance a while ago, I thought it was Sisi. Now, after closer inspection, I've changed my mind. I think it's Gisela, firstly because I've never seen Elisabeth wear a hat like that, and secondly, the features just look too much like Gisela. While she did bear some resemblance to her mother, I've always observed that Gisela had a bit more of a chubby face, with dimples, whereas Sissi had a less plump countenance. We all know how much she strived for a thin figure!  ::) Soo..I think it's Gisela. Just the whole countenace of the lady seems to exclaim Gisela to me, I dunno why.  ???
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Elske on November 19, 2010, 07:19:23 AM
Yes. without more proof or a close up photo...it is a dead horse.  :(

(http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss93/EVK67/191120101340.jpg)

Here's your close up...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
Thanks so much, Elske!. That makes even more clear that it was Elisabeth, not Gisela.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 12:06:08 PM
Well it could be (the image is still burry) but the person beside her does not look like Franz Josef. It is still a problematic photo to me. This is my opinion only...  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 19, 2010, 12:52:43 PM
....I think it's Gisela, firstly because I've never seen Elisabeth wear a hat like that, and secondly, the features just look too much like Gisela. While she did bear some resemblance to her mother, I've always observed that Gisela had a bit more of a chubby face, with dimples, whereas Sissi had a less plump countenance. We all know how much she strived for a thin figure!  ::) Soo..I think it's Gisela. Just the whole countenace of the lady seems to exclaim Gisela to me, I dunno why.  ???
I don't think she's Gisela, the lady photographed is quite slim and her face isn't chubby (it's more noticeable in the close up that Elske made (thank you very much for it)), the man is definitively Franz Joseph although his face isn't easy to see.
A agree totally with Katenka, the lady portrayed is really Empress Sissi.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 21, 2010, 07:45:55 PM
Eliz was obviously a great  horsewoman with a love for horses..
I was wondering though... did she ride sidesaddle..... or  astride ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on November 22, 2010, 07:30:17 AM
Eliz was obviously a great  horsewoman with a love for horses..
I was wondering though... did she ride sidesaddle..... or  astride ?

she rode aside like all proper Victorian women.......but, as the horsewoman she was, I'm pretty sure she preferred astride.......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 22, 2010, 09:43:36 AM
I think it was thought not quite right  and improper,  for a  lady of  quality to ride
astride a horse.
 Even Catherine the  great    of  Russia had this problem.....        Elizabeth Empress of  Russia insisted that  Catherine    rode  side saddle ....  Catherine had a special saddle  made and  rode side saddle but as soon as she was out of sight of  Empress Elizabeth she  rode her horse astride.
     Eliz....  (the  Habsburg one....) was nicknamed ...  Queen of the Hunt....  somehow I  cant see  her  riding to the  chase  side saddle....  am I  wrong  ?

  Interestingly  Empress Eugenie was an exellent horsewoman  and it was seeing her leading the hunt in  the  Bois de Boulogne... that  inflamed the passion of  Louis Napoleon  and  eventually led
to their marriage.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 22, 2010, 10:41:41 AM
Here's another of her poems, referring to herself as "Titania"
Titania shall not go where people walk
this world where no one understands her
Where hundred thousand gaze at her,
Whispering and prying,
“look, the fool, look there!”
Where jealousy and envy seek her out
To distort her every action.
She returns homebound,
To those regions where allied kinder souls abide.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 22, 2010, 11:02:28 AM
Eliz....  definitely side saddle  here
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/212/elizabethofaustriaieiei.jpg) (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elizabethofaustriaieiei.jpg)

looks like shes  riding to  the hunt  too !
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 11:22:48 AM
Was this the one in Althorp ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 22, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
could be ?  I think she went hunting near there quite a lot.

There must have been some romantic involvement with Bay Middleton...
...  officially she had no sexual liasons... but I dont believe that for one minute.
Franz had his mistresses........... Eliz must have had her beaus..
who knows what went on  during these long rides in the countryside.....!

I think I  read that when  Bay Middleton  finally got married,  Eliz stopped
coming to England to hunt.....

Its a bit like Princess Alexandra and her beau...  who was devoted to her
but their relationship was supposedly platonic....  a likely story !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 23, 2010, 01:21:02 PM
The austrian imperial family after Rudolph's death
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/kaiserfamilie.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 23, 2010, 01:27:48 PM
Well, Empress Sissi had several platonic loves (only that, not a real affair) through her life like Bay Middleton or even her friend Gyula Andrassy, nothing sexual was related to it, at difference of Franz Joseph who had several mistresses. It's true that immediately that Sissi knew that her beloved teacher was going to marry she decided to change the sport she practiced (ridding and going hunting to England).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on November 23, 2010, 01:45:57 PM
I dont  know how you can say with such certainty  that she never had any affairs or physical relationships...
 Think of all those hunts.... which are really big social events...
think of all the times she was surrounded by handsome young men ( and middle aged men )
She must have attended countless soirees... dances... balls
in all those years.....  had invitations to dinner  at  great houses.....  who knows what really happened ?

She knew that the boring Franz was back in Austria with his mistress....
why should nt Elizabeth have the odd fling ?  and back then, without the intrusive press
it would be a lot easier to keep private.
...... seems an aweful long time to be celebate.....

Getting back to the sidesaddle issue.... its   possible that artists depicted her riding sidesaddle
out of  propriety..... but could she really go hunting that way ?   jumping fences... ditches ... keeping up with the hunt !

It might not have been lady like but surely she rode astride when out hunting .... am I wrong ?



.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 23, 2010, 02:09:36 PM
Nice! Who's who? Other than Sissi, Franz, little Elisabeth, and perhaps Stephanie, I can't make out the rest! As for the painting on the wall, it must be Rudolf.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 23, 2010, 04:56:20 PM
From left to right : FRanz Ferdinand, Marie Valerie, Franz Salvator, Leopold, Gisela

Sitting: Franz Josef, Elisabeth, stephanie and the little girl Erzsi.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 23, 2010, 05:18:38 PM
Thank you!  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
The person looks more like Otto than Franz Ferdinand...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 25, 2010, 04:46:11 AM
its franz Ferdinand in late 1880s. Go check his topic and you will realize its him. Otto had nothing to do in that image since he was NOT heir presumptive AKA  Thronfolger
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 26, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
I found this family portrait quite interesting... according to the caption that it has: it shows the imperial family of Austria joined and a painting of Sissi is behind them on the wall but at the same time you can see at the right at top the ghost of the dead Empress!! This is one of the strangest family portraits that I've ever seen!!
Click!! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/titania1837/4186906175/)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2010, 01:50:02 PM
"Kaiserin of hearts"

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8096/imagelarge29.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/imagelarge29.jpg/)

 
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 27, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
The person looks more like Otto than Franz Ferdinand...

The caption says "Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand d'Este" ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 27, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
I found this family portrait quite interesting... according to the caption that it has: it shows the imperial family of Austria joined and a painting of Sissi is behind them on the wall but at the same time you can see at the right at top the ghost of the dead Empress!! This is one of the strangest family portraits that I've ever seen!!

Actually this painting is well-known. You can find it in almost every photobook about Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Countess of Monte Cristo on November 27, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
....I think it's Gisela, firstly because I've never seen Elisabeth wear a hat like that, and secondly, the features just look too much like Gisela. While she did bear some resemblance to her mother, I've always observed that Gisela had a bit more of a chubby face, with dimples, whereas Sissi had a less plump countenance. We all know how much she strived for a thin figure!  ::) Soo..I think it's Gisela. Just the whole countenace of the lady seems to exclaim Gisela to me, I dunno why.  ???
I don't think she's Gisela, the lady photographed is quite slim and her face isn't chubby (it's more noticeable in the close up that Elske made (thank you very much for it)), the man is definitively Franz Joseph although his face isn't easy to see.
A agree totally with Katenka, the lady portrayed is really Empress Sissi.

I swear that's Gisela.  It looks so much more like her than Elisabeth.  The nose looks different, as do the ears and that waistline.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2010, 11:01:00 AM
I do too Countess.  ;D
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Post by: Elske on November 28, 2010, 03:14:55 PM
I do too Countess.  ;D

Sigh...not again :(.....thought the discussion had come to an end.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 02, 2010, 12:22:32 PM
It's hard to believe that Sissi would feel interested at having an affair (physical relationships) at knowing her character only a bit, she disliked intimacy with men (she showed it very well at allowing her husband having mistresses) plus not wanting to be pregnant anymore. Two, i doubt that she would like to take the risk of being involved on a scandal after looking the problems of her sisters Marie and Sophie. Three her lonely character was other thing.
I read one time about her that she liked her letting be loved but not letting be touched.
Of course, I'm not saying that she didn't feel certain love for some men, but was only platonic and idealized more that a real affair.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2010, 12:23:10 PM
Well...Sisi loved to be adored but not pocessed. She went through that with her husband and it did not work.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 03, 2010, 01:17:56 PM
Sissi as an angel behind Franz Joseph
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/angelsissi.jpg)
Plaque with her profile
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/plaquesissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on December 04, 2010, 11:44:08 AM
LOOKS   like a lovely pic............. pity  it does nt  click !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 04, 2010, 12:59:18 PM
Illustration  of Elisabeth next to Franz Jodef in a public act.

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5154/imagelarge24.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/imagelarge24.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 06, 2010, 01:04:57 PM
That public act seems to me like being some of the acts for the celebrations done at 1896 at Hungary by their millenium.
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Post by: violetta on December 07, 2010, 06:51:13 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/sissiemperorfranzjosephengraving.jpg)


could it be engraving at the time of their wedding? or around this time?
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Post by: Robert_Hall on December 07, 2010, 09:31:31 AM
I think it would be a fair assumption; cupid uniting the arms of Hapsburg & Wittlesbach.
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Post by: THERRY on December 08, 2010, 07:37:38 AM
Engagement
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5582/engagement0.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/engagement0.jpg/)
click on to see it bigger
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Post by: heavensent on December 08, 2010, 09:16:32 AM
THANKS    thiery ,  nice to get it in big  size
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 18, 2010, 11:15:29 AM
could it be engraving at the time of their wedding? or around this time?

I knew that it was their wedding card.
Is this a cupid? I thought it was a simply angel, those images of angels were so common on those allegories.
thanks for the bigger!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2010, 11:35:39 AM
I am sure it was a wedding card.  ;)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 18, 2010, 11:55:42 AM
I love Sisi's dress!  :D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Mikaila on December 19, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
I have a question. Whom was Elisabeth named after?

I know Elisabeth after her godmother, the Queen Elisabeth of Prussia, her mother's sister

Amalie after her paternal grandmother

but Eugenie? Does anyone know why her parents chose this name?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
I think there was a Princess Eugenie somewhere.

She was named after her godmother Queen Elise of Prussia.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on December 21, 2010, 02:35:28 AM
Larger, please?

The sixteen years old princess on horseback in Possenhofen. This pictures painted by the history painter Karl von Piloty, was presented to Franz Joseph at Christmas 1853, the year he became engaged to Sisi.
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5859/scansioneb.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/scansioneb.jpg/)
You can see it bigger click on the image
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Post by: heavensent on December 21, 2010, 04:40:59 AM
RIDING  side saddle  of  course ..... at least for the artist
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Mikaila on December 21, 2010, 05:23:52 AM
I think there was a Princess Eugenie somewhere.

She was named after her godmother Queen Elise of Prussia.
Thank you for your help.
Does someonelse have other news about the name Eugenie?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2010, 08:19:10 AM
There is a cousin called Eugenie of Leutenburg (sister of the Queen of Sweden)...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 21, 2010, 11:01:56 AM
Ooh, lovely, thank you Therry.  :)
I didn't realize it was from so early. What in the world is that thing over to the right? It looks like some sort of very tall fountain or something!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 22, 2010, 01:22:08 PM
The empress on a procession at Vienna
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sisiviena.jpg)
Ball celebrated at the Hofburg, Sissi seems to be the one with the black dress sitting at the right
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/ball.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 01:25:02 PM
Elisabeth and Kaiser Franz Josef. Pitty its an small image

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2017/e4rt546t.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/e4rt546t.jpg/)

 bit bigger

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2017/e4rt546t.jpg
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 22, 2010, 01:48:23 PM
Lovely wedding card
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/weddcard.jpg)
Color verssion of this famous portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/kaiserfamily.jpg)
The austrian Imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Kaiserfamilie.jpg)
Sissi at Gödollo
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sissigodollo.jpg)
Sissi and Franz Joseph at Venice (fragment)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/venicesisi.jpg)
All (even my previous post) Courtesy: Das Grafik Antiquariat

Wonderful one Katenka, totally new for me!!
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Post by: THERRY on December 23, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
Elisabeth and Kaiser Franz Josef. Pitty its an small image
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2017/e4rt546t.jpg
Do you know if this photo is real ? I've never seen it in a book or in the web  ::)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2010, 11:30:42 AM
Too far & blurry to see...It could also be Prince Oscar of Sweden with Princess Beatrice of Battenberg from that distance.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Olga Maria on December 24, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
A Very, Very Happy 173rd Birthday to Our Darling Empress Sissi!! She always and forever stays in our hearts!! ♥,♥
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 24, 2010, 11:51:09 AM
My So Dear Empress Sissi: A really happy birthday for you! Rest In Peace. I'll always remember you.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/th_sisiCake.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/?action=view&current=sisiCake.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 24, 2010, 12:05:49 PM
Happy Birthday, Sissi!
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/594/redrosesr.jpg)
Beautiful Empress always remembered.
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/314/blacklaceshawl.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2010, 12:30:21 PM
Beautiful monument devoted to Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/monument.jpg)
The silver wedding  of the Emperor and Empress (courtesy: Makart-Festzug)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/silverwedding.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 29, 2010, 12:52:34 PM
Oh, that monument is lovely...
Where is it, do you know?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2010, 01:20:06 PM
I don't know, I think that it must be in Hungary.
Found this on a dutch site, photo of the Empress covering her face
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sisiwalks.jpg)
Found this with the caption "feet waching by Empress Elisabeth"
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/feetWashingSissi.jpg)
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Post by: heavensent on December 29, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
 We r'e all poring over these  paintings and black and white illustrations of Elizabeth
but surely there must be so much more in some museum or other in Vienna
or at Shonbrunn Palace.
Im talking about her clothes... her dresses .. her  corsets  even !
her carriages  .. her artifacts ... where are they ?

Being a foreign royal of an extinct branch of royalty she hardly gets
a mention here in England.
If she had been part of the Windsor dynasty there would be  waxwork figures of her in
Mme Tussauds  and museums with her dresses.
Surely Vienna must have a lot of Empress Elizabeth memorabilia locked away somewhere ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2010, 06:51:38 PM
Does anyone knows who  made this portrait?

Thanks!

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3631/tumblrldzv3odgtq1qzjmo0.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/tumblrldzv3odgtq1qzjmo0.jpg/)

 

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2010, 01:43:39 PM
I have no idea.
Dead Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/deadsisi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 30, 2010, 01:47:14 PM

A close up of the famous fan picture.

(http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/6884/8eige43.jpg) (http://img602.imageshack.us/i/8eige43.jpg/)

 If anyone can translate the caption, it would be great!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
I tryied to copy the text on google translator and the results that I got (know that quite inaccuarte) it was a poem that at first started saying about Sissi's obsession of carrying fans and umbrellas for covering her face (so related to the photo) and after it talked something about her death. Would like to see a better translation.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on December 31, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
Hope it´s okay.


Elisabeth of Wittelsbach, Empress of Austria, suffered from glance phobia (always fans and umbrellas to escape from glances).
Her murderer impinged a file into her heart, without to look at her.
Had she been died among laces and under a baldachin, the doctors would have let her more suffer: they would have looked into her face!

Guido Ceremotti
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2011, 09:45:39 AM
It was a quick death...the kind she wished for without much pain.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Pezzazz on January 01, 2011, 03:14:09 PM
I have no idea.
Dead Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/deadsisi.jpg)

I doubt Sissi would have wanted any lying-in-state or display of herself during her funeral.  Why didn't Franz Joseph go meet her coffin?   Sissi was always trying to get FJ to travel somewhere with her and this would have been a good last time to do it.
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Post by: Rani on January 01, 2011, 09:25:23 PM
(http://text.habsburger.net/module/elisabeth-und-das-korsett-des-hoefischen-lebens/elisabeth-und-das-korsett-des-hoefischen-lebens/MB-ST_R7-MOD3-01.png/image_large)
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Post by: heavensent on January 02, 2011, 08:27:49 AM
THANKS  a lovely portrait with subbtle colouring
I suspect her hair is very long there.... at least down to her waist...
but she has it piled up at the  back and tied.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 03, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
She kept her hair very long all her life, she was proud of having an abundant and lovely hair. According to some sites she kept it to her ankle length but as maturer it seems that she cut is a bit keeping it at the lenght of her waist or hips.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 03, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Thank you Rani, yours is much better!! XD
I doubt Sissi would have wanted any lying-in-state or display of herself during her funeral.  Why didn't Franz Joseph go meet her coffin?   Sissi was always trying to get FJ to travel somewhere with her and this would have been a good last time to do it.

Well, I don't know how accurate is that illustration, there is other well known showing Franz Joseph at the side of his dead wife, I'm sure that he deffinitively was there at her side. Plus, well... Sissi's will about after her death wasn't fullfilled at nothing, she was buried where she would never like to be and plus to be shown during her funeral (it's possible that it really happened).
Curious thing about her death: she was in mourning even at her funeral wearing a black gown.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 03, 2011, 02:50:10 PM
This is quite funny! The famous Winterhalter's portrait of the Empress Eugenie but now the face was changed by Sissi's!! XD
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sisieugenia.jpg)
Little detail the Empress and a dog
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sissimeran.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 03, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
Does anyone has this one in color?

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3797/sissisisimetwaaier1.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/sissisisimetwaaier1.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 04, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
I've only seen it in black and white... I'll search it.
The Empress at Gyula Andrassy's funeral
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sissifuneralandrassy.jpg)
The Austrian-Hungarian Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sisiaustrohungara.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 05, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
Well, Andrassy was her close friend and this made her to took an special ineterest at all related to Hungary... this is the reason for Sissi's lack of interest after the end of Anrassy's term as Prime Minister.
The Hungarian coronation, Sissi the new Queen sitting on a throne
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/coronacionhungara.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on January 06, 2011, 09:07:40 AM
Lovely site with statues and busts of Elisabeth

http://www.erzsebetszobor.eoldal.hu/
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
Well, I'm not sure if she cryied or no (haven't heard nothing like this before), but well, he was one of the reasons of interest at Hungary. At any case they wouldn't be able to develeop any kind of serious relationship because both were already married when they met.
At the hungarian coronation
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/coronahungara.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2011, 01:34:06 PM
Sissi in the christening of one of her grandchildren (at the side is Franz Joseph) sorry for the soooo small size  :(
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/evento.jpg)
The young Austrian Empress
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/jovenemperatriz.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 11, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
Well, in the site was indicated that possibly the one being christened was little Erszi or perhaps one of Gisela's babies. Honestly I have no idea.  :-\
The empress visiting a hospital
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/isabelsisi.jpg)
The Empress at the right with FJ
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/sissicarreta.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 13, 2011, 11:21:54 AM
The Imperial Family
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/familiaimperial.jpg)
The Empress ridding with....? (I think that one of the girls must be one of her daughters, perhaps Marie Valerie)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/sissiridding.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
Yes Marie Valerie and one of her nieces...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 24, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Do you think? I see that both girls seem to have a similar age, the difference between Marie Valerie and her eldest niece Elisabeth is six years. I thought that the girl could be one of her cousins or her friend Aglae.
The hungarian coronation
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/hungarians.jpg)
The next two, the Empress at the burial of Gyula Déak
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/frerencDeak.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Frerenkdeak2.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 24, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Empress Sissi ridding with Franz Joseph, Gyula Andrassy and someone that I don't know
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sisiamazona.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2011, 01:12:55 PM
The queen of the hungarians
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sissicoronadadeflores.jpg)
Old Sissi card
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sisiOldCard.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2011, 03:15:55 PM
Sorry for the sooo small size of both  :'(
The Empress goes to visit the wounded soldiers at austro-prussian war
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/sisigoeshospital.jpg)
Little miniature of the Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/mini.jpg)
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Post by: aor on January 27, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
Empress Sissi ridding with Franz Joseph, Gyula Andrassy and someone that I don't know
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/sisiamazona.jpg)

That could be Bay Middleton.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2011, 01:30:56 PM
Yes, it's possible that the third man portrayed there is Bay Middleton! Would be funny that the Empress would be portrayed with her husband and also with both man who were considered by many as her lovers!!  ???
The Empress as Queen of the hungarians
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/sisireinahungara.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Found this with the caption "feet waching by Empress Elisabeth" (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/feetWashingSissi.jpg)
The same but now in color
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/foothwashing.jpg)
Card about the Empress (I wonder if someone can see what's written, printed (I only can see Franz Joseph) and in handwritting)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/elisabetta.jpg)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 03, 2011, 05:47:09 PM
The Empress ridding with....? (I think that one of the girls must be one of her daughters, perhaps Marie Valerie)

In most of my books these girls are identified as Marie Valérie and her cousin Maria Theresia of the Two Sicilies, only child of Mathilde Trani.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 04, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
Thanks Marie Charlotte! It sounds more reasonable for me!  ;D
Franz Joseph at Hungary with Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/FJenhungria.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 05, 2011, 09:04:41 AM
A chocolate card showing the Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/sisich.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 06, 2011, 04:59:54 PM
Never seen this one before: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31179137@N05/3640965584/in/set-72157619819897071/
Sorry if it's already been posted, but I don't think so.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 07, 2011, 08:49:08 AM
its part of this well known  illustration

(http://i30.tinypic.com/2ywgu87.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2011, 12:49:40 PM
The Empress (sometimes I think that it was based on her famous photo session of her standing near to a table and with a wonderful dress with train, well, the hairdo is similar)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/GrandDress3.jpg)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 08, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
A lot of paintings are based on earlier photographic portraits of the Empress. That's simply due to the fact that Elisabeth didn't pose for paintings or photographs in her later days. So the artists had be creative.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 08, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
Oo, that's nice!  :) What photoshoot do you mean? I recognize the hairdo, but there are so many pictures of her in a long train!  ::)
I have a question, is this Sissi, and if it is, does anyone have it bigger?
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6785/sissiperhaps.png)
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Post by: THERRY on February 09, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
Oh Yes She is !!!
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1429/31894771.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/31894771.jpg/)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 09, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
Lovely, thank you!  :-* Do you know who drew it, and when? Seems like 1860s to me..
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 09, 2011, 11:38:16 AM
Oo, that's nice!  :) What photoshoot do you mean? I recognize the hairdo, but there are so many pictures of her in a long train!  ::)

I'm talking about this (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/3671078550_bdab1b2854.jpg), it reminded me that painting!! What do you think?  ;D
About the beautiful drawing I don't know wno made it (like many of her portraits) but agree that it must be of her early years of marriage, she looks sooo young  ;)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 09, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
Yes, I think that the hairstyles are very similar!  ;)
The dress reminds me awfully of this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Amanda_Bergstedt_001.jpg
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 09, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Yes, that's it. The dress is of the younger Elisabeth, the head of an elder one. lol
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 10, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Love those composited portraits! You're right the dress of a younger Sissi with the head of an older one. The posthumus portrait of her by Lazslo (1899) is the opposite, her face looks of much younger and the dress is of late 1890's!!  :D
Found it as the Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/carriage.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 21, 2011, 12:53:23 PM
Found the next recently online, another verssion of the Empress' death.
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/isabelsissiginebra.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 22, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
Posted on the first parts of the thread but now in color...
The austrian Imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/familiaaustriaca.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 22, 2011, 02:08:25 PM
That is really lovely though the children look a bit strange in their skimpy clothes...are they supposed to be Gisela's children? No wait--one of them must be little Erzi. Yet Stephanie is not there... ??? What page was the black and white version on, and was it bigger?  I love Elisabeth's dress!  :D
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 22, 2011, 03:05:34 PM
From left to right: Sissi, Marie Valerie, Franz Joseph, Rudolph (with a book), the two daughters of Gisela (one of them Elisabeth, the other perhaps Augusta), Luitpold of Bavaria (Gisela's husband) and Gisela. Not Stephanie or Erszi, Rudolph was still single!
The B&W had a similar size, but  I found this recently online (the full portrait is in two parts), because would take you centuries to search on the previous parts for the first one  :(
Part one (http://www.billerantik.de/gallery2/main.php/d/37522-1/115_Kaiser_Familie_LW_D1.jpg)
Part two (http://www.billerantik.de/gallery2/main.php/d/37524-1/115_Kaiser_Familie_LW_D2.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 22, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
Very nice, thank you!  :) Do you know what year it was done? Seems to be around the 1870s, perhaps for Sissi and Franz's anniversary? Or was Rudolph married yet then?
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 22, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
The kids are Gisela's first two daughters, Elisabeth Marie and Auguste. I think this was probably created to the anniversary of the Empress and the Emperor in 1879 which would also explain why Stephanie is not on the photo. Rudolf got married 1881. Also, Elisabeth is wearing her famous ruby jewellery and that portrait was often used in connection with the anniversary and created by Georg Raab in 1878. So 1879 would make perfect sense.
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Post by: Rani on February 23, 2011, 05:17:25 PM
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5935/red2x.jpg)

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2214/redbr.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 23, 2011, 05:52:41 PM
Beautiful! Simply lovely!  :) Who's the artist?
Wait a second-- it's a plate !? Wow, lovley plate!  ::) I'd never want to eat off that! Food covering Sissi's lovely face! No, I'd display it on a cupboard like the work of art it is!  :D
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 24, 2011, 06:28:24 AM
It's interesting how artists mostly tended to make her face seem a bit 'softer' than it originally was :-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 24, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
Beautiful! Although it is a copy of one photo of her famous photoshoot as queen of Hungary the artist took some liberties for changing her black bodice for a red one!  :)
Sissi and Franz Joseph at ?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sissitravellimg.jpg)
A bit different verssion of their wedding portraits
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/bodaimperial1.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on February 25, 2011, 05:28:02 AM
Sissi and Franz Joseph at ?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/sissitravellimg.jpg
They are in MERANO Italia, 1871 the Schützenfest
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 25, 2011, 01:44:56 PM
Thank you very much for the information Therry!!  :)
Again this verssion of the coronation but now in color
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/coronahungara.jpg)
Lovely portrait of Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/krasivayaelizaveta.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 28, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
Young Sissi (her tiara makes me to think in the ones used at the 20's)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/sissijoven.jpg)
A close up of this was posted in the previous parts, now the full portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/jovenempress.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
The Empress at Hungary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/erzsebet_kiralyno.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on March 03, 2011, 06:47:15 AM
The topic now is only about Empress Elisabeth,no more her relatives  here. Her children, husband, siblings and parents already have their own discussion topics.

Please, don't forget to check the previous Parts and try not to repeat images and discussions.It has been a hard work of cleaning up all these Parts on the Empress and deleting repeated images/themes.
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Post by: Princess Susan on March 05, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Elisabeth and Kaiser Franz Josef. Pitty its an small image

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2017/e4rt546t.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/e4rt546t.jpg/)

 bit bigger

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2017/e4rt546t.jpg
I  have never seen this one! Is it realy them?! Anyway, hard to recognise who is in the picture...but probably is realy Sisi and Franzi.  :)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 06, 2011, 06:20:59 AM
Looks like a sketch to me, not a photography.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 07, 2011, 11:47:52 AM
I think that it is a photo, but I don't know if its only me or really it is but I see Sissi like retouched or added on it, the part surrounding her looks blurry unlike the part surrounding Franz Joseph. Anyways, it looks strange to me
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 08, 2011, 08:14:01 AM
I have a feeling it's not what it looks like. In what way ever. Can't explain it.
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Post by: Rani on March 20, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ik_5YaVxJf_Z58XOmWibMQ

Is that really Empress Elisabeth?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 20, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
i dont think thats elisabeth. it doesnt look at all like her.
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 20, 2011, 05:08:26 PM
I highly doubt it, too. There are so many paintings out there that claim to show Elisabeth. Just so they get more money on auctions.
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Post by: Rani on March 21, 2011, 01:24:08 PM
Thanks! I find it strange, too.

__

Someone made a lovely montage. How similar the two look. Nice.

(http://i52.tinypic.com/vyiqb.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 22, 2011, 02:26:38 PM
About the woman of the link there's no doubt that she isn't empress Sissi, she must be some aristocratic lady of that time. I've seen it before and I first I had my doubts.
The second is Unknown to me!! It seems to be one of the engagement photos of Ludwig II, only that they have changed Sophie of Alençon by Empress Sissi! But in fact they look really good together!  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on March 22, 2011, 02:32:32 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the connection between Sissi and Ludwig II? I didn't read anything about him in the Sissi biography I have, and yet she was a prominent character in the film about him, (played by Romy Schneider, an Elisabeth role she liked.)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 22, 2011, 02:43:35 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the connection between Sissi and Ludwig II?
BFFs! She was his fag hag - Will and Grace of the Alps! (Even though Ludwig's personality was more like Jack McFarland's.)

In more sober terms: They were cousins, Ludwig was engaged to Sissi's sister and they were friends, mostly via correspondence, I believe, as they both were vain, misfit, depressed loners who preferred to seclude themselves in various isolated p(a)laces. They understood each other, something few others did.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on March 22, 2011, 04:01:47 PM

BFFs! She was his fag hag - Will and Grace of the Alps! (Even though Ludwig's personality was more like Jack McFarland's.)


(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/lol1.gif) How can you say that?
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 22, 2011, 04:31:37 PM
Probably because it was true. It is fairly well known that Ludwig was Gay and as FP  has said, they had a lot of personality in common.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 22, 2011, 05:04:11 PM
  Will and Grace of the Alps! 

hahahaha!!! loved this!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 23, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
Now I'm curious what the title of this biography is you were reading.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 28, 2011, 02:59:12 PM
The old Kaiserpaar, one year before Sissi's death (so now on her 60's)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/oldSissi.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 29, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
Medal, the imperial wedding
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/imperialWedding.jpg)
Sorry for the size of the next two, I hope to find better verssions of those soon
Young Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/sissifranzjoseph.jpg)
The amazon carrying her fan (like always!!)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/SisHotelStrauch.gif)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 30, 2011, 12:39:52 PM
Fragment, Sissi visiting perhaps Italy with FJ
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/sissifranzitaly.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on March 30, 2011, 02:18:48 PM
Fragment, Sissi visiting perhaps Italy with FJ
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/sissifranzitaly.jpg)

Why Italy? The fragment is very blurry and where should I find the Empress in it....I see only FJ (supposedly) with some thing in his hand looking at the table...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 31, 2011, 12:31:23 PM
Apparently on the site mentioned that this was possibly a visit at Italy (nobody there assured it, I must say). There's a woman at FJ's side and she looks as a young Sissi, in fact I don't think that anyone else would accompany the Emperor (Who else??) I know that it is quite blurry and I apologize for this.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Svetabel on April 01, 2011, 03:38:54 AM
Apparently on the site mentioned that this was possibly a visit at Italy (nobody there assured it, I must say). There's a woman at FJ's side and she looks as a young Sissi, in fact I don't think that anyone else would accompany the Emperor (Who else??) I know that it is quite blurry and I apologize for this.

You don't need to apologize for the small size, the larger-than-life pictures are not welcomed.

I do want to see the image not so blurry as actually that "shadow" behind FJ dosn't look like Elisabeth, young or old...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 01, 2011, 07:00:24 AM
A nice composite image of Elisabeth and Franz Josef

 (http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4227/drety.jpg) (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/drety.jpg/)

 
 
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 03, 2011, 01:09:46 PM
Here's a clearer version from my collection:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: bednayaliza on April 06, 2011, 07:52:18 AM
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3241/image1459.th.jpg) (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/image1459.jpg/)


(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6738/sissiapfxsynnadene12de2.th.jpg) (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/sissiapfxsynnadene12de2.jpg/)



(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3749/1867empresselizabethpho.th.jpg) (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/1867empresselizabethpho.jpg/)

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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on April 06, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
Rather well known pictures, but nice to see them again.

Now I'm curious what the title of this biography is you were reading.
http://www.amazon.com/Empress-Elisabeth-Austria-183701898-Imperial/dp/3950082816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302100250&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 07, 2011, 08:04:51 AM
Does anyone have the full version of this one? Thanks in advanced

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2359/19792117845307886841016.jpg) (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/19792117845307886841016.jpg/)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 07, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
I think that the full verssion of that portrait is the one that you posted, I've never seen other showing more of her body (although of course that I also would like to see her in full). Anyways, I'll search for something  
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 24, 2011, 03:13:48 AM
There has a new photo of Elisabeth been discovered. It shows her during a visit to Ludwig Salvator in the years 1892/93 on Mallorca. You can find it here:
http://www.mallorcazeitung.es/report/2011/04/21/sisis-flucht-sonne/19356.html
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Post by: Rani on April 24, 2011, 08:26:48 AM
Danke!!

I love the part with the meal :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 25, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Zukunftsseele this is a real jewel!! Thank you for sharing this with us!! There aren't much photos of her in this last stage of her life. Please can someone give a little summary about the text? I can't understand German  :'(
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 28, 2011, 01:21:23 PM
Sissi  goes for a walk with the former Empress Eugenie and with FJ

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/LIMPR1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 02, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
Empress Sissi's visit to Italy
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/ItalySissi.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 03, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Young Empress of Austria
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/sissimantle.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 03, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
Never seen it before, but I must say, it doesn't look hardly at all like Sisi.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 04, 2011, 12:30:08 PM
I must recognize that on the portraits of the Sissi on her early days as Empress she doesn't look as amazing as older, her beauty was in process of improving  :)
Another verssion of the assasination
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Ginebra1898.jpg)
Courtesy: erzsebet kiralyne
And now the full story of Sissi's death: Dead, still at Geneva (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2751/4398270920_5ffc8c4a9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 23, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
Hungarian medal with her profile commemorating her death
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/thumb00104.jpg)

After seeing many similar of Sissi in very young age and similar robes I don't remember to see exactly this (For the pose and the background)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/SissiMuyJovencita.jpg)

A bit bigger... (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/SissiMuyJovencita.jpg?t=1306174585)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 24, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
Not her best I must say
Queen of Hungary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/m2-10652-07512400.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on June 03, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ut3v5u.jpg)

By Rudolf Hausleithner (1893)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
That is a very lovely portrait and unknown to me  :) The only thing that is strange to me is that if the portrait was made at 1893 the Empress isn't represented to be in mourning, in fact, when I saw it at first time before reading the caption I thought that it was from her young years, she seems so young  :o
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 03, 2011, 06:22:43 PM
It could have been a copy of an earlier portrait. Whatever the history of it, it's very lovely, and it's nice to see a new Sisi image that is clear, and a close up instead of a far-off sketch of her walking with a parasol. The necklace reminds me of her coronation necklace.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 05, 2011, 09:50:22 AM
Bust made of wood

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1946/70758121l.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2011, 01:08:50 PM
What happened to it? It's quite damaged on the right side of her face, unlike the major part that is in good condition
The Empress on an event
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/NaseredDin10.jpg)
Sorry for the size of this, commemorating the wedding
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/pametni_list.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2011, 01:16:45 PM
A miniature of Elisabeth

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6321/39a10606139657983.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/39a10606139657983.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2011, 03:18:52 PM
Based on a photo. Very lovely made.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 19, 2011, 04:45:29 AM
Yes, it's based on the famous Angerer photo series. She is just wearing a different dress in this one. Wonderful treasure. :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 19, 2011, 08:32:19 AM
its the same dress but was painted in pink. Or the real one was pink *0*
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2011, 11:34:27 AM
someone should do a portrait based on the photo.  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 20, 2011, 11:54:32 AM
its the same dress but was painted in pink. Or the real one was pink *0*

That portrait you posted is very beautiful indeed! Perhaps the original dress was indeed pink (as I knew it didn't survive until today... if I'm not wrong) but I must say that I can't avoid to imagine it white with the flowers in a darker color (perhaps dark blue or green) as result of seeing colored verssions of that wonderful photo!! Thank you!!  :)
The other photo of the same session now recycled, showing an older Sissi (not mine)
Click here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40232398@N02/4330407214/in/photostream/)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 21, 2011, 10:16:29 AM
It looked quite awful...adding lines to her face.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 22, 2011, 09:33:44 AM
its the same dress but was painted in pink. Or the real one was pink *0*

That's what I meant. :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2011, 02:40:09 PM
something cute

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7830/fotoglv20004805.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/fotoglv20004805.jpg/)

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5871/fotoglv20004803.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/200/fotoglv20004803.jpg/)

(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/2281/fotoglv20001586.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/fotoglv20001586.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 24, 2011, 05:50:04 AM
I love the various photo series with her dogs.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on July 07, 2011, 02:35:30 PM
I just come back from a vaction in Geneva! Of course I entered the Hotel "Beau Rivage" where the Empress would stay and where she finally died after the attempt on her life.
One can visit the suite that was hers and there is even a showcase containing personal stuff such as a tiny sliver box (perhaps for pills), gloves, golden monogrammed cutlery as well as a head and some lace....

In front of the hotel there is a beautiful modern monument in honor of Elisabeth
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2011, 02:38:32 PM
I read she was visiting a Rothschild there.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 08, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
What interesting sounds what you saw Thomas!! I once read on a site that on the Beau Rivage they had a pair of gowns of the Empress... Did you see them? or they aren't there :-? Did you also see the room in the one the Empress died?

I read she was visiting a Rothschild there.
Yes, if I'm not wrong, the day previous to her death Sissi was visiting the Baroness Julie Rothschild , then she went to the Hotel Beau Rivage to stay the night and the next day to continue her trip. Then you know what happened after.

Little miniature of the Empress in hungarian gown: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/titania1837/5904859097/) (not mine)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 08, 2011, 03:50:32 PM
I wonder if Countess Julie Rothschild's house is still there ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on July 08, 2011, 07:30:55 PM
Little miniature of the Empress in hungarian gown: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/titania1837/5904859097/) (not mine)

It's mine and part of my personal collection. Actually it's no miniature but an antique portrait under glass on a tray. The tray is almost 30 cm.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
The photo glass negatives are so rare today...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on July 10, 2011, 04:24:16 PM
Oh no, it's no glass negative. It's a painted portrait and the tray kinda is the frame. But yes, you are right, glass negatives are rare and expensive.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2011, 04:42:02 PM
The photo glass negatives are so rare ...

as were your posts of late...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
Try to scale down these days as my imput is not always warmly greeted.  ;)

Sisi did not take much photos in her later years. I wonder who did the touch ups, by government propaganda agencies ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 20, 2011, 12:13:22 PM
Some allegory about the engagement of Franz Joseph and Sissi (the parents of the Emperor are behind). I must say that Sissi looks like the Archduchess Sophie on that pic!  :-\ (sorry for being it a bit blurry)  :(
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/engagem-ent.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 20, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
Almost sure that it looked like Archduchess Sophie !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on August 29, 2011, 10:35:06 AM

Hello Everybody who love Sissi,

I create a Facebook Group call : Club admirers of Elisabeth of Austria - Hungary (Sissi or Sisi). Well if you love Sissi and if you are in Facebbok, adding you in the Club, you are very welcome.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/190046004372594/ (https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/190046004372594/)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 07, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
I will be forever grateful with the one who posts a better verssion of this lovely youth portrait of Empress Sissi  ;)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/nuevodesissi.jpg)
I found also this labeled as Sissi, I see a bit similar the face but the hairdo doesn't convince me:This (http://www.icollector.com/Handpainted-Portrait-on-porcelain-of-Sisi-1709512_i7224079)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2011, 12:21:42 PM
It was Sisi ! I saw a better version of it before.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on September 07, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
That's a beautiful portrait Adelheid. It's the first time I see it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 07, 2011, 02:02:52 PM
The next is not new at all, Rani posted a fragment of it on the part three of this same thread, but now I found that this is the full verssion of it...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_781199.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=781199.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 08, 2011, 09:00:45 AM
I think it was made before Sisi blossomed into a legendary beauty.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth's death anniversary
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 09, 2011, 01:45:31 PM
One day in advanced, but...
113 years ago, on the afternoon the Empress Sissi died on her room at the Hotel Beau Rivage during her last trip on life. Rest In Peace, forever remembered by us.
 (http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Perlinskiy90/Collages/th_sissianniversary.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Perlinskiy90/Collages/?action=view&current=sissianniversary.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 10, 2011, 07:57:44 AM
I think she welcomed death as a kind of release from her restless life. She did not suffer much and came sudden.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on September 10, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
My tribute for Sisi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9aTgxIY3E

Beautiful collage, Prinzessin Adelheid!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 11, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
Thanks for Sharing ! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 02, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-online-cgi/topixx?op=topixx&ID=1096380247&string2=

Wedding of Herzogin Elizabeth in Bayern with Dr. Daniel Terberger.
The couple with the brides parents Herzogin Elizabeth and Herzog Max in Bayern, Hzt. in Tegernsee
You can see in the background a portrait of, I guess, Empress Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 02, 2011, 06:18:23 PM
I think that the lady portrayed behind is indeed Empress Sissi, I'd like to see that beautiful portrait on bigger!!!  ;) Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 03, 2011, 05:45:05 PM
You´re welcome :)

(http://i.imgur.com/YwXFn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9JvDl.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
She looked strange in that picture...the expression I mean.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on October 06, 2011, 10:11:36 AM
You´re welcome :)

(http://i.imgur.com/YwXFn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9JvDl.jpg)

This photo is the only UNRETOUCHED version of the famous Angerer portrait. That is why she looks so 'strange'. She looks simply natural. It is currently up for auction. It's coming from the property of Crownprince Rudolf of Austria, then it got in Marie Valerie's and Franz Salvator's ownership and then again in the ownership of Franz Salvator's second wife Melanie von Risenfels.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2011, 12:18:11 PM
A bit awkward if you ask me. How much is the asking price ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2011, 12:31:46 PM
Sorry for asking this, but you mention that the photo is unretouched... When was it taken? (for being need to retouch it in other verssions :-?)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2011, 01:27:39 PM
The same session with her dog Shadow I think...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
I thought that deffinitively it was taken on the 1860's, why would it be retouched? Well, I'm thinking for example about the photos depicting old Queen Alexandra and Empress Victoria, some of those photos were indeed retouched for making them look younger. Sissi was still young when that session was taken... that's what I don't understand :-?

(again sorry for repeating the same)   :-\

My tribute for Sisi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9aTgxIY3E

By the way, I had time to see the video until today. Like always, very well done job Andrea!!!  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on October 07, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
Sorry for asking this, but you mention that the photo is unretouched... When was it taken? (for being need to retouch it in other verssions :-?)

That photo was taken around 1868/1869, the last photo session she ever posed for.
The information about it being unretouched comes from the auction site.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on October 08, 2011, 05:03:35 AM
Here you can see for yourself: http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm63.pl?f=NR_LOT&c=2390&t=temartic_A_D&db=kat63_a.txt
The starting price is at 2200 Euro. The portrait (the retouched version) was used as the last photo of the Empress and thus often used for the death cards, memorial photos, etc.
You can see the retouches and thus the differences here:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/7176_115005357095.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/img_resizephp.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/img_resizddd.jpg)

A book that deals with the topic of retouches is the German book by Gerda Mraz "Kaiserin Elisabeth - Wunschbilder oder die Kunst der Retusche"
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2011, 08:09:47 AM
Too pricey for me.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Zukunftsseele on October 08, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
lol Yeah, 2100 would have been ok but 2200 - no way. :-) :D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Yes. Indeed. I think the retouched ones are nice too...for less than 20 Euros...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 10, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
Thank you very much for the info, both Veronica and Zukunftsseele!!! The thing I less thought was that it was retouched for using it later (and made her looking aged!!)  :o
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2011, 05:01:56 PM
Political propaganda...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on October 30, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
 does anybody know her favorite flowers? or color?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Rani on October 30, 2011, 04:53:20 PM
I remember her favourite flowers were violets. Not sure about the colour.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2011, 10:12:55 PM
I know she liked colored stones like rubies and emeralds.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 31, 2011, 08:45:09 AM
It's hard to tell about that...she certainly favored black in her later years, that much is apparent. The emeralds...the emerald jewelry that Elisabeth had was a gift from Franz Josef, I'm pretty sure, and who knows if he knew her favorite color! Surviving dresses of the Empress's are black, of course, lavender, white and pinkish...I can't recall that I've seen any other colors. Garnets as well as rubies were in her jewelry, I think, but her color preferences can't necessarily be judged by her jewelry unless she commissioned it herself...lots of it likely were gifts.
This portrait by Franz Schrotzberg (spelling??) could be a good hint. I read that she posed reluctantly for most other painters, but apparently not for Herr S....so she might have chosen her clothes here...
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8181/1854painting.jpg)
Black lace, pale pinkish white and sky blue...

This is just a wild guess, but perhaps as a young teenager in Possenhoffen she liked green...because she loved the forest, and riding and being in the wilderness. Of course when she became Empress, Elisabeth was bound by all that court regime that she so hated and as such she mightn't have been permitted to display much of her favorite hues...

As for flowers...Violets do sound fitting. Where did you read this, Rani?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 01, 2011, 01:43:28 PM
Interesting facts!!! Well, the favorite color of Sissi is something hard to know... I can remember that several years ago (for being exact 4 years, sadly the site was deleted some years ago too) I  read a site that suggested that Sissi liked violet or purple but honestly I'm not sure about that.   :-\
When she was young, I knew that she mainly wore white or black dresses, of course, she had others of different colors but the majority were of the colors that I mentioned before. I don't think that she liked much black, she only used it for mourning.
About the portrait below I always thought that the painter was inspired in the well known family photo (she appears sitting and with baby Rudolph on her lap) because the pose and the hairdo are so similar and I thought that the painter simply invented her clothes but now I see that it isn't true!  ;)
Deffinitively I agree with Andrea at thinking that jewelry isn't necessary a clue about what color she preffered.
Sissi seemed to adore violets, not only for their smell or beauty but I can remeber to read (I also say that I don't known how true it is) that she adored to eat violet sorbet.  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2011, 09:00:04 AM
Sisi see,ed to like lighter colors like and lavander in her youth, but retreated to black when she grew older. It was noted that she looked "becoming" in black. In fact Franz Josef fell in love with Sisi while she was wearing mourning in Bad Ischl.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 20, 2011, 01:20:16 PM
Family portrait, the pose of Sissi on this is a bit different than in the other well known portrait that is similar to this (the background more)...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/familysissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 20, 2011, 02:20:45 PM
Not a painting in life. An improvement from a photo.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 21, 2011, 01:05:34 PM
Time ago I posted one portrait similar to this, now a bit different verssion, the bodice now is red and the portrait seems much less damaged
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/elisabette.jpg)
From a czech site:
Another
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/sissialzbeta.jpg)
Expect to see a better verssion of this...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/sissialzb1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2011, 01:29:24 PM
Sisi looked a bit wistful here...Maybe it was the Czech depiction of her. They were always jealous that she paid more visits to Budapest than Prague.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 23, 2011, 12:06:33 PM
I know that one day before...
Happy 174th birthday to my dear Empress Sissi!!! All my best wishes for her. RIP
(http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Perlinskiy90/Collages/th_BirthdaySissi.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Perlinskiy90/Collages/?action=view&current=BirthdaySissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2011, 12:37:32 PM
Happy Birthday to the Christmas child ! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
Three well known here, only that now in color
The Emperor and Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/color.jpg)
At Italy
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/color1.jpg)
With the former Empress Eugenie
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/color2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2011, 02:21:58 PM
Thanks ! They are very nice colored.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2011, 12:41:06 PM
You're welcome
Now two more...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/sissigoesout.jpg)
And one drawing about the coronation, I love to see that the artist was based on the well known photos of Sissi to make this
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/corona.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 29, 2011, 03:27:50 PM
Interesting and almost comical "coronation" picture. Notice how  some of the people are facing forward, as if looking into a camera for a photo.
 And was this coronation or wedding ?  FJ was already Emperor by the time of the wedding Would it have been the practice for the Empress to have a separate cornation after her wedding ?
 And, who is the lonely old gentleman on the throne, way in the background ? Both the former Emperor [Ferd. I & V] and  FJs father [Franz K J] were alive at the time. Could this person  have been one of them ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on December 29, 2011, 05:53:15 PM
I think that Franz Joseph is the man on the throne, watching Elisabeth being crowned by Gyula Andrassy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 29, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
I would think that  FJ is the  man in white, with ribband. But I am just guessing here.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2011, 08:42:34 AM
He should be in robes too, but I guess he was represented as "the man in white".
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
I think that Franz Joseph is the man on the throne, watching Elisabeth being crowned by Gyula Andrassy.

Deffinitively the man on the throne is Franz Joseph, he's wearing a hussar uniform the day of the coronation. According to some other portraits and even one photo, FJ was wearing a (red) hussar uniform at that day. The man in white standing near Sissi looks like FJ but deffinitively isn't he, I don't know who is really he, IMO he's an important noble man as the others near he.

And was this coronation or wedding ?  FJ was already Emperor by the time of the wedding Would it have been the practice for the Empress to have a separate cornation after her wedding ?
I don't think that this illustration is of the time of their wedding but at the time of their coronation as king and queen of Hungary. Interesting fact anyways, I always wondered if she would have been crowned too, I haven't read nothing about this, but it's possible.

A pair more of the same event...
The Emperor being crowned, the Empress is at the far left of the illustration
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/th_coronacionFJ.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/?action=view&current=coronacionFJ.jpg)

Both together, now King and Queen
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/th_coronados.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/?action=view&current=coronados.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on December 30, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Deffinitively the man on the throne is Franz Joseph, he's wearing a hussar uniform the day of the coronation. According to some other portraits and even one photo, FJ was wearing a (red) hussar uniform at that day. The man in white standing near Sissi looks like FJ but deffinitively isn't he, I don't know who is really he, IMO he's an important noble man as the others near he.

I have found another drawing of the coronation very similar to the one you posted, with slight variations. In it, Andrassy is looking towards the viewer, the man in white doesn't have the band anymore, and the man on the throne is standing, clearly showing that it is Franz Joseph in the hussar uniform he wore to the coronation, as seen in the photo taken by Emil Rabending.

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1882/sisicoronacionhungria12.jpg)

(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1894/franzjosephcoronacion1.jpg)

About the crowning of Elisabeth, I read in the book by Brigitte Hamann that she wasn't actually crowned, but according to an old custom, the crown was held over her right shoulder by Andrassy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 02, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
About the crowning of Elisabeth, I read in the book by Brigitte Hamann that she wasn't actually crowned, but according to an old custom, the crown was held over her right shoulder by Andrassy.

I didn't know about this but now I see that is true what B. Hamman said, I noticed that on this pic that I recently found -only that isn't Andrassy who holds it, but I also knew that was he- (by the way, expect to see the full verssion of it)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_coronacionhungarasissi.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=coronacionhungarasissi.jpg)

I still have a doubt... why on some portraits and all the photos Sissi appears with a tiara and in some other portraits (like the one I posted here) she has a "crown" instead of the tiara (did she placed it herself before receiving the other on her shoulder??)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Some of prints were "imaginary" portraits.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 04, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Lovely portrait of a very young Empress Sissi, 1854
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/KaiserinElisabethbyAugusteChristianFleischmann.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 04, 2012, 01:15:18 PM
The pose is similar to another of Empress Eugenie, her rival empress in France.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 04, 2012, 01:41:17 PM
A pair of images of the Hungarian coronation of Sissi, I saved them from an interesting video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK5yfjrt3fg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/sissireinaenbanquete.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/sissireinahungaracoronacion.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 04, 2012, 03:33:26 PM
Wonder what they ate at that feast ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 05, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
Another scene of the same event, now the Empress with family on the second window
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_window.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=window.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
That was her big day, being crowned Queen of Hungary.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2012, 12:39:36 PM
This is very beautiful... what dress!!!
Source: provsechnydusicky-galerie
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/empressSissi.jpg)
Expect to see this in better quality one day...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/nuevopics.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2012, 02:16:45 PM
Love the one on top. Sisi looks good with white and gold.  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 09, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
A black and white verssion of this portrait was posted years ago on the 2nd or 3rd part of the topic, now in color although I know that the verssion isn't as good as I would like...
In a lovely hungarian dress
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Incolor.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
She looked a bit older in this portrait...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
She looked a bit older in this portrait...

Although I found it labeled as a coronation portrait is noticeable that it really isn't. She was maturer there and the fashion proves it.

Two more portraits...
Queen of Hungary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/coronacionhungriadesissi.jpg)
Another
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/elisabetj.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2012, 07:47:13 AM
I think the braid crown on her head remained her hairstyle throughout her last years (so was her sisters Marie, Mathilde and Sophie).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 11, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
When young and not much good looking  :(
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/AnEmpress.jpg)
The best verssion that I've seen of this, the Empress in Hungarian gown
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/pinkgown.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
I think there was a photo of Sisi in a plaid (tartan like) dress. That was a true picture of her as a young girl.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 12, 2012, 12:33:33 PM
The new Queen of Hungary... it's only me or does it actually look like a montage?!?
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/reinadehungriasisis.jpg)
Drawing based on her famous photo, the full verssion portrays her with FJ and little Rudolph (but I can't find it again)  :(
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/drawinghung.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
Both based on photos.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 13, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
Sissi, FJ and some ladies that according with the dresses seem to be Hungarians
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/th_Sissiandladies.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/?action=view&current=Sissiandladies.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
Sisi loved the Hungarian costume.  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 13, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
In color?...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/sissibw.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: miki_nastya on January 13, 2012, 03:20:24 PM
Any songs about her? Or which make you remember her?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
There is a whole musical on her. Click on to youtube and see it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 15, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
A Dutch singer named Petra Berger wrote a song about Elisabeth. It's called "If I Had A Wish". 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUsPvKxUAIg

Here is info about the musical: http://theatre-musical.com/elisabeth.html
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
Thanks for sharing the link.  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Alice of Hesse on January 19, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2584/big0009682788.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/big0009682788.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

I found this picture in an hungarian forum. It was new for me. I would like to know more about it....Has someone further information about it or a bigger and better version of it and can post it ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Veronica on January 19, 2012, 11:45:11 AM
I wish I had a better version. That image comes from an hungarian documentary that acknowledges the image archive of the Gödöllo Palace for the photos used in it.
The photo was obviously taken at the same time than this one, by Joseph Albert in Munich in 1865:

(http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/2519/1865652589.jpg)

I like to think that the women beside her are two of her sisters, but most likely they are her ladies in waiting.
 
The image archive in Gödöllo must have some rare photos...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 19, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
Wow!! I haven't seen that photo before, it's amazing! Although at first I must say that I thought it was a montage (Sissi seemed strange)
I think that the ladies are really her ladies in waiting, although their faces are quite blurry. I'll try to search it in the next days, expect with a bit of luck  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
Very Blurred... :o
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on January 20, 2012, 06:15:24 AM
thats one i also never had seen!! if someone has a better version please post it on here
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 23, 2012, 01:41:48 PM
Print from some hungarian newspaper:
The Empress on her deathbed and two nuns praying at her side, this verssion is a bit different to others that I've seen before
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/deathbedsissi.jpg)

Sadly I haven't had much luck at finding a better verssion of the photo, I expect that someone can find a better one  :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 23, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
Another way to see the coronation as King and Queen of Hungary, from a Hungarian site
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/coronationview.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2012, 08:37:51 AM
Where is the location of this mural ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 24, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I don't know where is it, I think that at Hungary

I found this portrait, the woman portrayed is deffinitively a Wittelsbach sister but I'm not totally sure if she's Sissi or one of her sisters (perhaps Marie or Mathilde?)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/wittelsbachlady.jpg)
Another verssion of a family portrait, now Sissi is wearing a dark gown and Marie Valerie is standing near her
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/familiaimperiAL1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: THERRY on January 25, 2012, 03:37:56 AM
To me she seems  Sissi herself  ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2012, 11:03:17 AM
Thank you for your confirmation Therry
It looks like another verssion of the well known portrait of the visit of Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra Feodorovna to FJ and Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/withNIIandAF.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2012, 10:58:56 AM
Beautiful hungarian print
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/printFJSss.jpg)

Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/printFJSss.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
The biggest and nicest verssion that I've seen of this engagement portrait of Sissi and FJ
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/badischl.jpg)
Click for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/badischl.jpg)
An allegory
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/allegory.jpg)
Click for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/allegory.jpg)
Any idea of what's written below?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
Sisi's image began to be used more often as her fame and beauty spread. It did not cease with her death...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 30, 2012, 11:26:55 AM
Sisi's image began to be used more often as her fame and beauty spread. It did not cease with her death...
True, I think that there is another example of this, now that only is for making publicity....
Vintage card of Corfu depicting the Empress... they really knew how to make publicity of Corfu at knowing that she adored it very much!!, its only that she doesn't look like her at all....IMO she looks more like her sister Mathilde! Any idea of what's written on it?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/vintagecardSissi.jpg)
Another based on her famous portrait of her Silver Wedding Anniversary
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/variacion.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2012, 01:28:50 PM
Yes the portrait that she wore her ruby set.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 31, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
Card, Queen of Hungary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/the.jpg)
Sorry for the bad quality of this, the first time I see this family portrait in color  :-\
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/thefamily.jpg)
Any idea of who's the woman with the brown dress?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2012, 12:40:00 PM
lady in waiting no doubt.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on January 31, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Could be Charlotte of Belgium......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 31, 2012, 02:24:25 PM
Could be Charlotte of Belgium......

I was also thinking the same, the lady looks a bit like her but I have my doubts...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on January 31, 2012, 05:47:53 PM
Well, looks like this is Italy and Miramare was the home of Charlotte and Maximillian. Why would the artist go to the trouble and paint/sketch a lady in waiting?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 01, 2012, 10:56:47 AM
Well, looks like this is Italy and Miramare was the home of Charlotte and Maximillian. Why would the artist go to the trouble and paint/sketch a lady in waiting?
If I only could see well the caption, I see "Die Kaiserfamilie in --- (Mai, 1862), but for the background it deffinitively looks like Italy, it sounds totally reasonable so I join you at thinking that the woman must be Charlotte still as vice reine.

Sissi at the christening of ? (perhaps one of her grandchildren)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/christening.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: aor on February 01, 2012, 01:00:34 PM
Strange thing is that the print shows Venice and I think the title could be 'Kaiserfamilie in Venedig mai 1862'
Miramar Castle was in Trieste and Max was relieved of his duties as Governor of Venice and Lombardy in 1859 so it maybe portrays the gardens at the Palace in Venice.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2012, 03:38:12 PM
Most likely child of Gisela. Sisi did not look too excited at the christening.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Is possible that the baby is Elisabeth, eldest daughter of Gisela?
Sissi and Ludwig
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/ludwigysissi.jpg)
From the ONB, found it as the visit of Tsar AIII, I don't see FJ but is possible that the two ladies are Sissi and Marie Feodorovna
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/visitTsar.jpg)
Click for bigger!! (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/visitTsar.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2012, 03:08:09 PM
Yes. It could be Elisabeth, her namesake. Maybe that is why she had to attend the christening. She wrote that "the baby is ugly and looks just like Gisela".

Indeed. Sisi did not think much of Minny and wrote to her son that "she looked like a monkey". She had more praise for Minny's prettier sister Alix of Wales. Who she declared were the only royals who knew how to dress !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on February 02, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
Considering Elizabeths eccentric father was such a keen player of the zither,  Elizabeth must
have grown up  listening to the  sound  of the  zither   .... a folk instrument !
wonder if she ever tried to learn this unusual instrument ?
go here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1FlDdNLkD4


.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 09, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Was Sissi godmother of any of her granddaughters? Perhaps of one of her three namesake granddaughters....
What cruel of Sissi calling MF "monkey", deffinitively she didn't like her very much. Any idea if she liked Empress Maria Alexandrovna? I knew that her cousin Ludwig was much fond of her but about Sissi I don't know...
Not new at all but in color
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Empressincolor.jpg)
Source: artnet
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
Well...Sisi was only interested in lovely women like Alexandra of Wales and Empress Eugenie, so I am not surprised that she did not care for Dagmar. She also called Empress Augusta "old foghorn"...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 01, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
Found this on a czech site, the Empress of Austria visits the King of Italy at Venice
...she doesn't look very much as Sissi but here it goes...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_sissivaaitalia.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=sissivaaitalia.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 01, 2012, 12:47:13 PM
Just got my hot little hands on ... The Lonely Empress... by Joan Haslip.....
seems like a really good biog so far.
Interesting that  Sophia  ( Elizabeth's aunt )  was at one time trying to  marry off her
son Francis ( the young Emperor )  into the Prussian Royal family... but  Bismark was
having none of it.
     Archduchess Sopia then turned her eyes to the attractive young daughters of her sister Ludovica
over in Bavaria.
They were of course the children of a mere  Duke....
and it  would be a marriage of  first  cousins...... but then.....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Not really. Francis Josef fell in love with Princess Anna of Prussia on a visit to Berlin. He tried to enlist his mother (Archduchess Sophie) and his Aunt (Queen Elise of Prussia) for assistance, but Anna was already promised to the Landgraf of Hesse (brother-in-law of King Christian IX of Denmark). So nothing came out of it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 01, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
quote
in a   secret confidential letter   to her sister the Queen of  Prussia,  Sophia begged the  Queen to do all in her power to help towards marriage   which was dear to her sons heart
and would also help eliminate rivalries between the two countries
end quote
I rest my case
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2012, 02:32:16 PM
Yes. Sophie did try to help matters, but it was Franz Josef who made the request. It wasn't a pure political marriage. Also if you look at Langrifine Anna's features, she did resemble Franz Josef's first love, Archduchess Elisabeth of Hungary. I rest my case too.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 08, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
It seems  that the Empress  was quite a linguist too...
 By the time she was 28 she was
speaking English very well,  French, (German of course ) and she was becoming proficient
in  Hungarian  !
  That  25 year old Hungarian  young lady became her ... "reader"... when Eliz was  28  and it seems
 she became an  intimate friend also !   as the idea that  Franz and Eliz should be crowned King and Queen of Hungary  was being mooted  at that time.
Apparantly  Elizabeth  never quite mastered Italian .... but then the Italians never  took
her to their heart  did they !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
Indeed. Yet both of her sisters were wedded to Italian Royals (Queen Maria Sofia of Naples & Countess Mathilde Trani).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 10, 2012, 01:02:05 PM
Indeed. Yet both of her sisters were wedded to Italian Royals (Queen Maria Sofia of Naples & Countess Mathilde Trani).

There are so many similarities  to the life of  Maria Antoinette.... they both set off at a
very young age to marry very powerful ( and young )  European Sovreigns
..... they both had sisters  who  became  Queen of Naples !
They both died violent deaths...... many other parallels too.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 10, 2012, 01:05:54 PM
 
I was getting exhausted just reading about Elizabeth's endless travel...
England... Ireland.... Paris... Marseilles... Budapest... Triest... and thinking of  stagecoaches, bad roads...
but of course the rail networks were getting into place by
the mid 19th century.... it made all this endless travel a little easier !
(wonder if she travelled first class ? )
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2012, 04:20:04 PM
I think she has her own train and ship...I think that is better than first class.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: heavensent on March 11, 2012, 09:18:28 PM
 Empress  Elizabeth at Haddon Hall Derbyshire


(http://i39.tinypic.com/eis30n.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2012, 09:43:08 AM
I that looks more like a Spice girl that Sisi.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part IV
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 12, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
I think she has her own train and ship...I think that is better than first class.

I read that when she was younger she used to travel in her own train in a very luxury way, with a lot of servants and with a lot of dresses for the whole trip. When she became older (mainly I think after the death of Rudolph) she used to travel in a more "modest" way, considering the last travel she did, seems that she went into a first class ship that wasn't hers (she was among other people). She also travelled on her own ship, or if I'm not wrong once Queen Victoria borrowed her one yacth (please correct me if I'm wrong!)

It seems  that the Empress  was quite a linguist too...
 


And don't forget that in later years she also learned Greek very well for reading her favorite books of classical authors in their original language. There's no doubt that she had skills for this, she didn't have (German) accent when she spoke Hungarian.

Empress  Elizabeth at Haddon Hall Derbyshire

Are you kidding? She has nothing on her, except the long hair!!! She looks more like a modern model or actress  :o :-\
By the way... who drew it?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
Yes. I think she borrowed the yacht "Victoria & Albert" when she was sick and need to travel to Mediera. The Austrian Imperial Family did not have luxurious royal yachts like their German, British and Russian counterparts.
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Post by: aor on March 15, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
Mediera??????? where is that????? or do you mean Madeira???
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Yes. I wrote too fast.
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Post by: heavensent on March 15, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Yes it seems strange reading  about the  " Austrian Navy  "  but  back then Austria was
an empire and not as it is today, landlocked like Switzerland.
 At the  time of the terrible defeats at the hands of Bismark and the Prussians,
they were having  military success in  Italy... even winning a naval skirmish ...
but that was little consolation to Austria   as  Prussia was emerging as a major world power
and was calling the shots.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2012, 11:41:40 AM
It was a mistake to be drawn into the German camp. Franz Josef made a grave error there, and Edward VII tried to draw Austria with the rest of Europe. Had Austria allied with Britain & France. Germany's aggression may have been forced to be contained. Emperor Karl & Empress Zita realized that and tried but failed to get a peaceful resolution to the War.
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Post by: heavensent on March 16, 2012, 01:13:09 PM
From past reading I thought she had died on board that steamer, but I was wrong,
The steamer set off as  Eliz entourage were trying to get her back to her own doctor...
across the lake  at  Territet.
When the capt realised who she was he turned the steamer around and went back to Geneva.
They improvised a stretcher and took her back to the hotel, not far from the quayside.
She was still alive when they got back to the hotel.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 16, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
She fainted on board of the steamer, not much time after going into it, when the captain knew who was really the lady he preffered to make her to return to the hotel -he surely didn't want to have much responsibility- , she died there a pair of hours later (if I'm not wrong nearly to 2:00 pm).
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Post by: heavensent on March 16, 2012, 01:47:44 PM

It was after 1 pm when Luigi  attacked.
The  capt  did set off on his journey, Eliz was taken to the upper deck  hoping the fresh air would revive her.
They began to panic when they opened her bodice and saw the blood and the wound.
They told the captain who she was and he  turned around and headed back to the  quay.
She must have died in the Hotel.... The Beau Rivage....
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 16, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
I have just read that she lost consciousness when she was on board the ship, it had just set sailing, and once Countess Sztaray informed the captain of Elisabeth's identity, the ship turned back to Geneva, and once back in Geneva, was taken back to the hotel. It does sound like she died in the hotel, as I have read, that, as she was carried into the room, she took her final breaths. She was pronounced dead at roughly 2:10pm or so.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Last-photo-of-empress-elisabeth.jpg)

I believe that is her last photo...? Taken a day or so before her death.
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Post by: heavensent on March 16, 2012, 08:12:32 PM

 (I'm guessing that the other lady in that photo is   Countess Irma  Sztaray.... her very last lady in waiting  ......)

Borzeviczy... one of her entourage ...   begged Eliz not to go on the trip over to Geneva  as the city harboured some of the most dangerous revolutionaries in Europe.

It was a beautiful day ...9th Sept ... as they crossed the lake.. the first snows of winter glistened on the  mountain heights... the vines were turning to gold.

Arriving at Baroness Rothschild's villa  the dining  table was decorated with some of the
most beautiful orchids  Eliz had ever seen.
The meal was served on the finest Viennese porcelein.

That evening Eliz  booked into the  Beau Rivage Hotel  and  she  slept with the  window shutters
wide open... it was a full moon and she loved to sleep with the moonlight shining   into her room.
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 17, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
She'd stayed at the Hôtel Beau-Rivage that previous year, if I am right? Yes, must be the Countess, I take it the Empress is the one on the left in the photo then.

Yes, I am reading about the day she arrived at the Rothschild villa(Pregny) and her stroll she took the day before she got assasinated. She was with her reader, wasn't she?
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Post by: heavensent on March 17, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Yes that must be  Elizabeth on the left.......
 Reading aloud back then seems to have been very common in society...
it was  of course ...the days before the cassette  tape.. before the gramophone.

Frederick Barker ... the bright  young Englishman became  one of her  "readers " and even helped   Eliz translate Shakespeare into Greek  !!!!
(what an intellect she was !)

He also    introduced the Empress to the works of  popular English novelists... Mrs Humphrey Ward.... Marie Corelli  among others.

A few days before her death they were walking through the woods of Caux and  Frederick
was reading aloud to her the novel .. Corleone... by Marion Crawford.
It was then that  Luigi  suddenly appeared begging for arms.

He was an aggressive individual and was treated curtly by her entourage and received no money.

Perhaps that  harsh treatment turned his mind and made him decide on revenge and murder ?
His mother had deserted him on the streets of paris and his home had been the foundling hospital of St Antoine.

(Frederick's diaries describe this meeting of  Eliz and her murderer.)



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Post by: Jen_94 on March 17, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
Really?! Elisabeth's life seems interesting and yes, she seen have been quite an intellect!

I read Luigi said this:
"I am an anarchist by conviction...I came to Geneva to kill a sovereign, with object of giving an example to those who suffer and those who do nothing to improve their social position; it did not matter to me who the sovereign was whom I should kill...It was not a woman I struck, but an Empress; it was a crown that I had in view."

Yes, perhaps it was harsh treatment that made his mind turn and decide on murder, like you said. I read Luigi was part of an anarchist group.

I read she was travelling under the name Countess of Hohenembs, and this was revealed in a Genevan newspaper the next morning after she arrived. Luigi originally intended to strike the Duke of Orleans, but obviously, turned for Elisabeth instead. Some information here: http://www.cosmopolis.ch/travel/hotel_beau_rivage_geneva.htm (http://www.cosmopolis.ch/travel/hotel_beau_rivage_geneva.htm)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 20, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
I like very much this portrait of Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/sissiempressofaustria.jpg)
Fencing
Courtesy: kaiserin-sissi.vzpomina
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/vzpomina.jpg)
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 20, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
I've not seen either of those! They are lovely, thank you for posting.

Her waist is SO tiny in that first one  :o I've read it was a 19" waist....so small!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 21, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
Glad you like them Jen! You're very welcome! Yes, as we know,  Sissi was anorexic and had a veery little waist during all her life, her surviving gowns can prove this!   ??? ???
Beautiful and young Sissi: Click here!!! (http://www.nagyhazi.hu/tetelek_tobb.php?id=151&tid=46889&tp=50&page=2)
Watercolor
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/acuarela.png)
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 21, 2012, 03:21:30 PM
Another gorgeous one! Yes, I'v heard she refused to eat for days after her daughter Sophie's death. And she really had a gymnasium equipped in every castle she lived in?

Yes, I'v seen pictures of the gowns, This is my favourite one, from the famous 1867 photo:
(http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/1867_gown_worn_by_empress_e.jpg)


I remember when In Austria, I went trhough Bad Ischl on the way to another village, and that is where I first learnt about Elisabeth. I remember I wanted to see the Villa in Ischl, but I did not get the chance :(
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2012, 04:02:49 PM
Should go. It is owned by Archduke Markus of Austria, he welcome tourists to his home for tours.
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 22, 2012, 04:18:20 PM
If I return to Austria, it is one place I will definitely try and visit!
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Post by: heavensent on March 22, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
Wonder what Godollo looks like these days ...
do the  Hungarians treasure that period of their history ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
My next trip to Hungary...it is now a museum.
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 22, 2012, 05:26:34 PM
Godollo looks very beautiful, where in Hungary is it? What is in the museum?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2012, 08:26:53 AM
Not too far from Budapest.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 23, 2012, 01:00:16 PM
Godollo looks very beautiful, where in Hungary is it? What is in the museum?

In the next link you can see a few photos of Gödollö palace (inside and outside), there are many furniture, portraits and other things that belonged to Sissi and family. At seeing it I wish I'd have the enough money to go there  :'(

Click here for seeing the photos!!! (http://www.cometohungary.com/galeria-latnivalo.php?id=394)

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Post by: Jen_94 on March 23, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Thanks for that Yelena! It just looks so beautiful, inside and out. Those type of palaces I think are beautiful.

 There is one painting I spotted of Sissi on photo 3 (I think it was anyway..) which I thought looked lovely :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 27, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
You're very welcome Jen!!  ;) About the paintings, I would like to go there and see them in real size!
Dear Sissi and her love for big dogs!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/SissiLovesHerDog.jpg)

Source: BMI, Click here!! (http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/bk/_fahndung/_result.aspx?b=GEM%C3%84LDE&p=&o=18&f=616129D1F7E84C7E86A8A4E2D31651F9&w=1)
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 27, 2012, 03:28:55 PM
I would too, it would be so lovely to see them for real! The nearest Habsburg related place I have been too is Schonnbrunn...beautiful, but never got to go in it though :( I have also seen a quick glimpse of the Hofburg palace too! Schonnbrunn is beautiful though in real life, so breathtaking (My image: [url]http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/18178_1321005582292_1145385597_983636_7231348_a.jpg[/url)

And that is also new to me! Such a lovely painting, thank you :) Did she have many big dogs or pets?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 27, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
And that is also new to me! Such a lovely painting, thank you :) Did she have many big dogs or pets?

You're always welcome  ;) and for answering your question, yes. Sissi was a great lover of pets and had several animals with her. The next photo (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7679/sisisapen.png) was posted a few years ago by Madame Sisi in the third part of the Empress' thread, on it you can see that she had several parrots and even monkeys! Sissi also loved dogs but mainly big ones, she had many but the most known are Shadow and Plato (I'm not totally sure if Plato is the dark dog of one of her photo sessions). She also adored horses and had many (like Domino and Nihilistic), she was known for being a very good amazon.
Many of the Wittelsbach family members were fond of pets, even Duchess Ludovika (Sissi's mother) liked animals and she was photographed with a dog. Duke Maximilian was also a lover of nature and his children inherited this.
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 27, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
 :o She sure did have alot of pets! I guessed she had horses, as I have seen her on photos of horses! But I never knew she had monkeys and parrots, thanks for the photo, once again!

I have just been searching for photos of her on horse back, and found this lovely one, I like it very much:
(http://flyingfoxes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1863-Empress-of-Austria.jpg)
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Post by: heavensent on March 28, 2012, 10:22:32 AM
It was nt considered ladylike to ride  astride the horse
how did she ride  or  hunt like that.... legs on one side of the horse !
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Post by: miki_nastya on March 29, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
What color was her hair and eyes?
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 29, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
Not sure about the eyes, but I think her hair was brown, a Rich Chestnut colour! 
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 30, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
I read before that her hair was dark blond but she used to dye it chestnut for making the flowers with the ones she loved to decorate her hair to stand out. It's likely that she continued dying her hair when she became even older, I'm not sure if she allowed to have gray hair, knowing her I doubt so.
About her eyes in many paintings they look light brown and in others even blue, I'm sure that they had a dark color, possibly light brown or even olive, as the majority of her siblings, except, of course, of Karl Theodor and Sophie who had light blond hair and blue eyes.
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Post by: Jen_94 on April 02, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
That is very interesting, thank you for posting :)

Perhaps her eyes were a very dark blue, sometimes looked dark? I have no idea...
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Post by: Veronica on April 02, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
Her eyes were definitely brown.
Her sister Maria Sophia's eyes , according to her friend, the American sculptor Harriet Hosmer, were violet.
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Post by: RealAnastasia on April 03, 2012, 12:21:42 AM
I think that Sissi had hazelnut-colour eyes...They were brown, but also light colkored.

RealAnastasia.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 03, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
Her eyes were definitely brown.
Her sister Maria Sophia's eyes , according to her friend, the American sculptor Harriet Hosmer, were violet.

Yes, Sissi's eyes must had been light brown. About Maria I didn't know, thanks for sharing the info. She was like the Elizabeth Taylor of her time, violet isn't a common color of eyes!! I see that among the Wittelsbach siblings there were a lot of different colors of eyes: brown, blue and even violet!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 06, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Maria Sofia was a beauty too...
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Post by: Jen_94 on April 07, 2012, 03:10:24 PM
Maria-Sofia...her sister? Yes, she was a beauty, also. I agree!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2012, 09:18:23 AM
All of the sisters were pretty.
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Post by: Jen_94 on April 11, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
indeed so!  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 12, 2012, 12:16:37 PM
Well, Nene wasn't exactly good looking...
Returning to the topic:
During a visit of the Italian Royal Couple
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/VisitOfTheItalians.jpg)
Click here for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/VisitOfTheItalians.jpg)
The Emperor and Empress Sissi at 1879, possibly part of the celebrations of the Kaiserfest at Vienna
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/1879.jpg)
Click here for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/1879.jpg)

Source: IMAGNO

Sissi on a ball (far left, among two ladies)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/11sissionaball.jpg)
Click here for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/11sissionaball.jpg)

Source: ÖNB
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 13, 2012, 12:35:52 PM
Young Empress Sissi
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/GrandDress2.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2012, 02:22:18 PM
What a doll !  ;)
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Post by: Jen_94 on April 13, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
Great finds, Yelena! :)
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Post by: heavensent on April 13, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
 
 Empress  Elizabeth at Haddon Hall Derbyshire
 
Quote.....
Are you kidding? She has nothing on her, except the long hair!!! She looks more like a modern model or actress  
By the way... who drew it?
........... End quote


Guilty as charged,  I thought it was time we saw
the 19th century beauty topless.....
give her a break from all those tight laced corsets !
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 15, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
I think it must be a newspaper print...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 16, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Glad you liked them Jen!!  :)
A few more...
Young FJ and Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/YoungCouple2.jpg)
Source: IMAGNO

Young Sissi in profile
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/SissiJoven2.jpg)
Source: ÖNB

Another of her young
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/YoungEmpressAustria.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 16, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Based on paintings...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 01, 2012, 12:15:51 PM
Is it true that Strauss once composed a waltz (or devoted it) to Empress Sissi?? I read at wikipedia that he composed a waltz named "myrthen" for her birthday  but in other source says that it was devoted to her for her wedding. Is it true?? I'm aware that frequently wikipedia has wrong information...  :(
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Post by: Jen_94 on May 01, 2012, 04:41:17 PM
I've also read it was for the wedding, not for her birthday.

[urlhttp://www.vienna.cc/e/music/strauss_jun_biography.htm][/url] :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2012, 07:21:46 AM
Yes I agree...I think Sisi was the first Empress to waltz.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 02, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
Thank you for the information Jen! I see that the real title of the waltz is "Myrthenkraenze Walzer" instead of just "Myrthen", I must look for it... Thank you very much again for the link!!   :)
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Post by: aor on May 02, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Yes I agree...I think Sisi was the first Empress to waltz.

Where did you find that information?? Please let us know your source.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 04, 2012, 09:57:10 AM
Read it through a book.
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Post by: aor on May 04, 2012, 04:48:03 PM
which book?? the Walz predates the Empress Elisabeth by at least 30 or so years. Vienna was know for it's large 'Walz halls' in the early 1800's. Seems odd she would be the first to dance the Walz.........BUT, I am not an expert, here to learn, so would really appreciate it you could let me know in what book I can find this.
thank you.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 05, 2012, 07:46:38 AM
I read she was the first to do so. Will do more digging in. It is the kind of information that come in nuggets without a back strong.  :)
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on May 05, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
Hi,

I think it is very possible that Austrian Elisabeth was the first Empress to have waltzed...
Consider the empresses before her:  the 4 wives of Frances I and the one of Ferdinand...  Were they much seen in the Empire and known for their 'party modes'?????
Only one had children and possibly these waltzed, but not any of the empresses....  Consider their husbands - one was older and the other mentally deficient.

Elisabeth and Franz Joseph would have been the first young imperial couple in the empire in years;  and possibly the first to waltz!!

Just a thought!!

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 05, 2012, 12:30:10 PM
I think so too. Sisi was known to dance with passion at these balls. So it is very possible that the chances are that book may be right.
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Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 27, 2012, 12:16:44 PM
Oil Painting Empress of Austria on horseback Meath Ireland Wilhelm Richter "Domino"
 
I read in the newspaper archive of Irishtimes.com (Sat, Jan 28,2012) that an important painting of Empress Elisabeth of Austria - on horseback in Ireland - has been found behind a wardrobe in kennels in Co Meath and that this painting is now in possession of the RDS in Ballsbridge. The oil painting is called Domino and painted by Wilhelm Richter. Have you also heard of it ? Do you have any further information or a photograph of this painting?

Greetings Alice

This is the link:
 
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0128/1224310861708.html
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 28, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Interesting link Alice!!! Well, I did a quick search with the name of the artist feeling very excited thinking that I was going to find something unusual,  and I found the next portrait (http://www.kunst-fuer-alle.de/english/art/artist/poster/wilhelm-richter/18534/1/123630/elisabeth-of-austria---richter/index.htm), really nothing new, I already knew it... it fits with the description of being a portrait of the Empress in horseback, but I don't know if it is possible that the one you mentioned is a different one :-?
Expect to hear more about this!!!

Edit: in any case would be nice to see it in color, I've checked it on my files but I only have a b&w verssion too!! And is very nice that new more items related to Sissi can be discovered  :)
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Post by: Jen_94 on May 28, 2012, 06:27:02 PM
Yes, that is the only one I came up with when I searched the name too! Its a very nice portrait of her!  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 29, 2012, 07:11:05 PM
By the way, about the portrait of Wilhelm Ritcher, I found a color verssion (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vr9abGZH_UE/0.jpg), but it is quite strange that in the first verssion, the horse looks dark and in the color verssion it looks white!!! :-?

When young
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Kaisepaar.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 29, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
Like a cartoon...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2012, 12:39:56 PM
Two images -unmarked and a bit bigger- about the wedding of Sissi and Franz Joseph
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/B9624778T9990183.jpg)

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/B9990169T9990175.jpg)

Courtesy: europeana
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2012, 01:04:02 PM
Wonderful. Thanks for sharing. From Newspapers ?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2012, 02:23:15 PM
You're very welcome!!!  :) Well, I think that many of those prints come from newspapers (there are a few on that site that are indeed from old Austrian newspapers), in the case of the first illustration, was included the name of the artist who made it: Karl Eduard Kretzschmar and comes from the Illustrirte (?) Zeitung, sorry I don't know German  :-[
About the second, the site doesn't give more information about the artist or indicating if it was published in some newspaper, but I think that it is possible.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
The popularity of the couple made gathering images more important.  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 04, 2012, 03:42:25 PM
Framed portrait of a very young Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/4500322183ori0002.jpg)

Source: the always amazing Royal Collection
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2012, 08:25:35 AM
Definitely the early years...
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 05, 2012, 03:18:48 PM
Yes, she looks young and so nice in that portrait!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2012, 06:32:13 PM
Before the fall out and the sickness...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2012, 06:35:38 PM
Beautiful portrait by Franz Hanfstaengl (sorry if I wrote it wrong, I'm not good with German)  :-[ Apparently it is labeled ca. 1900, so it's a posthumus portrait... it makes me to remember her well known photo session, I see that many artists were inspired to create new portraits with these photos!

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Hanfstaengl_nach_Kunz_Kaiserin_Elisabeth_c1900.jpg)

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 06, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
Found this as Empress Sissi with a ridding companion, again it is dated ca. 1900

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/KAISERIN-2.jpg)

Click here for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/KAISERIN-2.jpg)
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 06, 2012, 04:56:18 PM
Both of those are beautiful! Do you know who painted the riding companion one?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Like wearing high heels ?
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Post by: aor on June 07, 2012, 04:58:05 AM
Both of those are beautiful! Do you know who painted the riding companion one?

Looks to me the riding companion is Bay Middleton. However, I do not know who was the painter. The scene more then likely is England or Ireland, could be Hungary, as he did come and hunt there. Have never seen this painting.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 07, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
Ah I see! Thanks! I've never seen this painting either. Its beautiful.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 07, 2012, 07:30:31 PM
Both of those are beautiful! Do you know who painted the riding companion one?

Looks to me the riding companion is Bay Middleton. However, I do not know who was the painter. The scene more then likely is England or Ireland, could be Hungary, as he did come and hunt there. Have never seen this painting.

Well, here's the original caption in German that it had: Kaiserin Elisabeth mit Reitbegleiter (laut Dorotheum „im Park von Schloß Mirabell zu Salzburg“); Öl auf Leinwand, bezeichnet "L. Herday", I translated it at google and got this: Empress Elisabeth of riding companions (aloud Christie "in the park of Schloss Mirabell in Salzburg"), oil on canvas, inscribed "L. Herday"
So, the painter is L. Herday and she's actually in Austria, about the riding companion isn't mentioned his name, but the first that came to my mind after seeing this portrait was that the man is very possible to be indeed Bay Middleton -as aor well said-. In fact, it was also new to me, is quite nice to see something a bit different  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
Just a thought...Is Bay Middleton related to Kate Middleton ?
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Post by: Alice of Hesse on June 08, 2012, 10:37:38 AM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1875/originalcf.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/originalcf.jpg/)

I found this portrait of the empress in a russian forum. I have never seen it before. Who knows where it is today ? Perhaps in Prague? Who is the artist that painted it? Has someone a better picture of it?

Greetings

Alice
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Alice you've impressed me a lot with this amazing portrait!!! WOW!!! (x_x) I think that perhaps was painted by George Raab, I found it very similar to this (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kaiserin_Portraet_Raab.jpg), but it's very possible that I'm wrong. I adore her dress!!! Thank you very much for sharing with us this jewel!!! I'm going to search for a better verssion, expect to have a bit of luck!!

I don't think that "Bay" and Kate Middleton are really related, I don't know nothing about his only legitimate daughter, if she can be among the ancestors of the actual Duchess of Cambridge :-?

By Einsle, not new but:
In color (ca. 1854)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/einsle_Kaiserin_Elisabeth_c1854.jpg)

The fullest I've seen (ca. 1856)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Kaiserin_Elisabeth_1856.jpg)

Click here for bigger!!! (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Kaiserin_Elisabeth_1856.jpg)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Maybe a great grand uncle. A distant cousin more likely.

Lovely images of Sisi.
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Post by: cebi26 on June 08, 2012, 12:40:57 PM
Sissi bavarian family posessed any family connection to the romanovs?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2012, 01:42:48 PM
Maybe a great grand uncle. A distant cousin more likely.

I think that is very possible that if they're really related, they must be very distant cousins.

Sissi bavarian family posessed any family connection to the romanovs?

As I know no. They were related to many Royal Houses of that time: the Belgian, the Habsburgs, the Spanish, the Italian Royal Houses (Savoia as well as the Bourbons of the Two Sicilies), and even others more, but I don't remember any direct member of Sissi's family being directly related to Romanovs.

EDITED: By the way, about my previous post, the artist of second image wasn't Einsle, but Dauthage.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
Empress Sissi goes at hospital
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/KaiserinSissiHospital.jpg)

Click for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/KaiserinSissiHospital.jpg)

The Austrian Imperial family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/familySissi1.jpg)

Click for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/familySissi1.jpg)

Source of the second: zvab
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2012, 06:41:53 PM
Love the hospital picture.

The closest the Wittelsbach ever got to the Romanovs was 1. Grand Duchess Olga Nicholievna (daughter of Nicholas I ) was asked by her father to meet the then Crown Prince Maximilian of Bavaria, at the meeting the proud grand duchess blurted out "You don't expect me to marry such an idiot !". Maximilian's pride was hurt and the Tsar was embarrassed. Fortunately Maximilian was about to find happiness with the beautiful Princess Marie of Prussia. The rude grand duchess was later married off to the crown prince of Wurttemberg.  2. The fragile beauty and gentle manners of Tsarina Marie Alexandrovna (Princess Marie of Hesse-Darmstadt) of Russia attracted the attention of the handsome Swan King Ludwig II of Bavaria. They met at the spa town near Homburg and hit it on at once. The sickly Tsarina was well pleased at the handsome young king and harbored hopes that he would marry her only daughter Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna. However she was alarmed when she realized that she herself was the object of the king's affection and has no desire for her plain daughter. The outraged Tsarina broke it off with the king at once.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 09, 2012, 07:58:54 PM
The closest the Wittelsbach ever got to the Romanovs was 1. Grand Duchess Olga Nicholievna (daughter of Nicholas I ) was asked by her father to meet the then Crown Prince Maximilian of Bavaria, at the meeting the proud grand duchess blurted out "You don't expect me to marry such an idiot !"....  2. The fragile beauty and gentle manners of Tsarina Marie Alexandrovna (Princess Marie of Hesse-Darmstadt) of Russia attracted the attention of the handsome Swan King Ludwig II of Bavaria...The sickly Tsarina was well pleased at the handsome young king and harbored hopes that he would marry her only daughter Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna. However she was alarmed when she realized that she herself was the object of the king's affection and has no desire for her plain daughter. The outraged Tsarina broke it off with the king at once.

But neither father nor son married none of the Romanov Grand Duchesses, these were just plans that didn't function. Any close relative of Empress Sissi was really related to Romanovs. And it isn't Nicholievna but Nicholaievna.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2012, 01:50:11 AM
The closest was one archduke that did marry a Russian Grand Duchess was in the Hungarian branch. For many years she was buried in the palace in Budapest. She has since reburied.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 13, 2012, 04:53:31 PM
Those are great finds, Yelena!

Which Archduke was it that married the Russian GD?
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Post by: Veronica on June 13, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
It was archduke Joseph, Palatine of Hungary. He married three times. He first wife was Grand Duchess Alexandra Pavlovna, sister to Nicholas I of Russia.
This archduke was the father of queen Marie Henriette of Belgium among others.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 13, 2012, 11:34:09 PM
Yes. He had the distinction of the only Hapsburg that married a Romanov.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 14, 2012, 05:46:25 AM
Oh I see! Thank you!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2012, 07:47:38 AM
You are very welcome. I think different religions played a part in not too many cross over marriages. The later Romanovs were very devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 14, 2012, 08:02:00 AM
I agree with you about the religions. It does sound like that did play a part in not too many cross over marriages.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
The only Hapsburg-Romanov bloodline cross on the top of my head is the marriage of Princess Ileana of Romania (her grandmother was a Russian Grand Duchess) and her husband a Hapsburg.

On Sisi, she wasn't very religious since the political situation on this in Bavaria was quite liberal. Her grandmother was Protestant I think.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 16, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
Oh I see!

So were Sisi's parents religious at all? Or not?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2012, 11:46:41 AM
I think the father wasn't and mother was.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 16, 2012, 03:45:13 PM
Interesting...thank you!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2012, 11:38:48 PM
Welcome. Duke Max in Bavaria was not known to be conventional and his daughters were also too.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 25, 2012, 01:01:52 PM
I think the father wasn't and mother was.
But I think that in any case Ludovika wasn't as religious as her sister Sophie, as well as she wasn't as strict as her sister...

Welcome. Duke Max in Bavaria was not known to be conventional and his daughters were also too.
I think that the only conventional person among the Wittelsbach family was Karl Theodor, the others were quite eccentric...

Returning to the main topic here, Sissi and Franz on a religiuos event
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/event.jpg)

Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/event.jpg)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2012, 01:40:25 PM
I think Max Emmanuel was quite conventional.

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 27, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
I think Max Emmanuel was quite conventional.

You're right, I forgot "Mapperl"!!!

From a hungarian site, a young copule, 1857
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/fjss.jpg)

Source: arcadja.com
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 27, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
Yet again another great couple of finds, Yelena. Especially like the religious event one! Can I just ask, which one is Sissi in them 1857 one? I think I might have spotted her, but I'm not 100% sure...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 27, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
Glad you liked them!!! Well, first of all sorry for the size of the painting, I know that is quite small  :'(  Well, she's the lady in the carriage (with the white cap and shawl) at the left  side, and if my eyes aren't lying, the one at her side is FJ (the one in blue-grey)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2012, 07:08:12 PM
A great find. Thanks !  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 28, 2012, 03:09:01 PM
Young Empress Sissi (http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0391/m500902_0001971_p.jpg)

Source: culture.gouv.fr
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 28, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
Ah thank you! :) I thought so, I just wanted to make sure!  :)

The one you just posted....very nice! She looks so different and young in that one.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2012, 05:16:58 PM
She was not that beautiful as a girl but blossomed into a beauty.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 28, 2012, 07:51:01 PM
You're very welcome Jen!!!
Many say that at the time that FJ met Sissi, her eldest sister Nené was the most beautiful of the two sisters, but honestly I just see Nené beautiful in paintings -the same heppens to me when people speaks about the beauty of Empress Eugenie- but not in her photos!! Of course, Sissi wasn't a real beauty at that age, her first photo proves this! But I think that after she got her 20's her beauty blossomed.
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 29, 2012, 04:10:30 AM
I think Nene was quite beautiful, just looking at photos of her. I do agree about Sissi, though. As she grew older, she blossomed into a beauty, like Yelena said. She, infact, I think, as she was in her 20's was one of the most beautiful Empresses, but that is just my opinion.

I think this is a rather sweet painting:
[urlhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Elisabeth_and_Carl_Theodor.jpg][/url]

Sissi and her brother, Karl Theodor with their dog, Bummerl.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 29, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
Nene had a hard facial expression that was not as sweet as Sisi.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
I think that Nené´s face wasn't as soft as the faces of any of her sisters, including Mathilde. Personally I don't see her beautiful in her photos, just on her paintings but I'll give her a chance considering that perhaps before her 20's she was more beautiful (well I don't know any photo of her at that time)
Well, back to Sissi...
The best size that I've seen of this
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/inyouth.jpg)
Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/inyouth.jpg)

Courtesy: ÖNB
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 29, 2012, 03:47:48 PM
How old was she in that drawing? Its a nice one....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 29, 2012, 05:10:52 PM
I think early marriage. She has a look of sadness already...
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 29, 2012, 05:14:37 PM
Yes, you can see the small look of sadness in there.

Who did that drawing by the way?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 29, 2012, 05:54:22 PM
I think artist at court. Think they want to publicize the youth & beauty of their new empress.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 30, 2012, 07:41:11 PM
How old was she in that drawing? Its a nice one....

Sorry, I can't tell you about the artist, but according with the hairdo of Sissi, it must be from the 1850's. I agree that it must be of her first years of marriage, she looks very young, I think that she's less than 20 years old.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
Which is why we see the Empress's face wasn't relaxed, her eyes look guarded.
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Post by: Jen_94 on July 01, 2012, 02:17:45 PM
They do, yes. So she must have been around 16-20 there then? I do like her hair in that drawing, it is very nice. Did she have to put her hair up at a certain age or not, just wondering?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
About the time of the birth of her first daughter Sophie. She was fighting her mother-in-law to have her child near her...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
....Did she have to put her hair up at a certain age or not, just wondering?

I can't assure nothing. I knew that girls had their hair up after her 16th birthday in the majority of the cases, but in the case of Sissi, at the time of her engagement she was still 15 years old and her hair is up in all her portraits as well in her first well known photograph. It's possible that she arranged in that way for the portraits.
The only images of her with her hair down are the next: 1 (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/1girl.jpg) and 2 (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/1girl1.jpg), I saved them from a "time line" of the Empress life, so I think that they mainly come from the imagination of the illustrators  :'( In her other two portraits of childhood -both posing with brother "Gackel"- she has her hair up... so I'm a bit confused :-? But in any case, I find a bit "unusual" that there are three portraits of Sissi after her 16th birthday with her hair down, I read in some thread here that it wasn't considered proper, of course, these weren't official portraits, but I still think that is uncommon -and nice-.
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Post by: Jen_94 on July 02, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
Thank you for the information! I guess it is a strong possibility she had to arrange her hair in that way for the formal portraits. I have seen one or two with her hair down after she was 16, but her hair was  up for most of the ones I have seen.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 02, 2012, 08:17:24 PM
I have seen one or two with her hair down after she was 16, but her hair was  up for most of the ones I have seen.

I know three, not wishing to repeat I just add the links for not making this page heavier needlessly:
by Winterhalter (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Longhair.jpg), FJ's favorite one (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Longhair2.gif), he kept it on his office, and other (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/LongHair1.jpg). There aren't much portraits of Royal ladies in this way, so that's why I love those! Of, course, they're not official portraits or weren't made for being public...
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Post by: Jen_94 on July 03, 2012, 11:41:04 AM
The first two are the ones I have seen, and were rthe ones I was talking about, the third one I haven't, so thank you for that one! I especially love the 2nd one you posted, one of my personal favourites of Sissi, can see why it was FJ'S favourite one.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Beautiful hungarian print (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/printFJSss.jpg)

A bit bigger and in better quality!

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/hungria.jpg)

Click here for bigger!!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/hungria.jpg)
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Post by: Jen_94 on July 13, 2012, 04:17:23 PM
That IS beautiful! Thank you!