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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Imperial Family => Topic started by: Olgasha on September 01, 2009, 08:42:29 AM

Title: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 01, 2009, 08:42:29 AM
KR
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3482/1210010039glavnyjjnacha.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: kmerov on February 11, 2010, 06:18:38 PM
I'm not sure if the other thread on KR and his family is just a picture thread, so I started a new topic.

I just read an interesting account from Empress Maria Feodorovna about GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her troubles with Orthodox rituals when she first arrived in Russia to marry GD Konstantin. Appearantly she caused quite a few scandals and laughs. Has anybody heard about this before? I will try and quote some of MF's letter when I have time.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: katmaxoz on February 11, 2010, 06:26:00 PM
I'm not sure if the other thread on KR and his family is just a picture thread, so I started a new topic.

I just read an interesting account from Empress Maria Feodorovna about GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her troubles with Orthodox rituals when she first arrived in Russia to marry GD Konstantin. Appearantly she caused quite a few scandals and laughs. Has anybody heard about this before? I will try and quote some of MF's letter when I have time.



This does ring a bell. She kissed icons at the wrong time etc.  I don't think this was in a letter from Empress Marie that I read this though..can't recall at the moment where I read this but it does sound familiar.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 11, 2010, 07:20:50 PM
During a Orthodox service, Elizabeth offended everyone when she refused to kiss the cross that was held up during the service. She later wrote KR a letter, "...I promise you, that I will never do anything to anger or hurt you through our divided religions....I can only tell you again, how very much I love you."

Story was in Charlotte Zeepvat's "The Camera and the Tsars"
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on February 12, 2010, 01:04:29 AM
I'm not sure if the other thread on KR and his family is just a picture thread, so I started a new topic.



Actually that topic is a discussion as well as pictures : ). I've just corrected the titles, so this is Part II.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on February 12, 2010, 01:11:02 AM


I just read an interesting account from Empress Maria Feodorovna about GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her troubles with Orthodox rituals when she first arrived in Russia to marry GD Konstantin. Appearantly she caused quite a few scandals and laughs. Has anybody heard about this before? I will try and quote some of MF's letter when I have time.



I don't have now at hand the correspondence of Empress MF, but I remember something like that you said. I think such behaviour of any non-Orthodox can make a start for laughs - more laughs than scandals I guess as every member of the Romanov family knew Elizaveta was Lutheran and couldn't at once learn all Orthodox' rules. Moreover they loved to make fun at her in their inner circle behind her back.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 12, 2010, 10:16:07 AM
'more laughs than scandals'

Yes - surely we've all been in a church we're not used to and got up or knelt down when the rest of the congregation is doing something else!

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: kmerov on February 12, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
Thank you for all your replies. :)

Here is what Empress Maria Feodorovna wrote.
About Elizaveta Mavrikievnas arrival in Russia, " I drove her in my state carriage drawn by four horses from the railway station to the Marble Palace. She talked all the way and greeted people on the streets to left and right and even waved her white muff, which was less fortunate. In the Marble Palace, Uncle Costy received her on the steps, as he is suffering terribly from headache and toothache and dare not to go out, and then- after the whole family had been gathered, we went up to the church for a Te Deum. There, there was a bad moment (a false note), for when the priest came with the cross, she held back and did not kiss it, which made an extremely unfortunate impression on us all, I must say, for it was of course silly. Had it been an image of a saint or relics, I could understand that she would not do it, but the cross with Our Saviour on, in whom we all believe after all, I do not understand why she could not kiss it, it was foolish and made a very unfortunate impression!  You have always done it when you have been here. What amused me afterwards was Miechen's indignation at it, le contre coup, for of course she always does it now and has forgotten that she herself was very reluctant at first and is now mostly reasonable,naturally.
Sasha was the best of all, for he said to the others: it isn't her fault she has been formed and brought up with these ideas. And this is indeed the case, for she, Elisabeth, said that her priest in Altenburg had forbidden her to do it, so what was the poor little thing to do, I think that deep down she was upset about it. Afterwards, she spoke to the Protestant priest here, who furtunately also comes from Altenburg, and he calmed her down and said to her that it was a Russian custom to which she must submit, so she declared that in that case she would do it, but not before she was a Russian Grand Duchess. Imagine if she had done it during the wedding ceremony, it would have been a terrible scandal!"

I will post the rest of MF's letter tomorrow.


Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 13, 2010, 05:12:56 AM
Who was Marie Feodorovna's letter written to?

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: kmerov on February 13, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
It was written to her mother, Queen Louise.

About the wedding MF wrote. " The wedding toke place at one o'clock after she first had to go through the dressing ceremony in the presence of the entire family and all the ladies in waiting, as is the custom. The diadem and crown were placed on her head, and the great purple cloak fixed to her shoulders, and then we went to church, where on this occasion she wanted to make amends for what had first shocked people, and went to the other extreme, for she was forever making the sign of the cross, poor thing, and always the wrong way round, which again is not her fault, but the family's, who ought to have told her how you do it, and that she need not overdo it, I almost burst out laughing in the church and dared not look at her, as she was doing it all the time and always wrongly to the amazement of the priest who was standing in the front of the couple. Afterwards, there was a Protestant ceremony in one of the rooms, and then we withdraw to the inner rooms, where we had tea, and at five o'clock, still wearing the same clothes, we went to the great banquet, where all the court stewards served us."
    
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 09:17:18 AM
Oleg

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/221/51293223knyaz16.jpg) (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/51293223knyaz16.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 07, 2010, 10:35:56 AM
Gd Konstantine in a play

(http://i49.tinypic.com/332w5cm.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Teddy on June 08, 2010, 07:47:50 AM
Kmerov, where did you got that letter from?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 10, 2010, 03:35:47 PM
Has somebody got a photo of Princess Tatiana's second husband Alexander Korochenzov(?) ?

I've never seen one.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on June 11, 2010, 07:42:55 AM
Tatian Konstantinovna had a difficult life by any standards.

In less than a year her first husband and one brother were killed in WW1, and her father died. Then, in another short period, three brothers and her favourite uncle were killed by the Bolsheviks. Finally, her second husband died after only three months of marriage.

I hope she found some happiness in later life.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: kmerov on June 15, 2010, 06:29:30 PM
Kmerov, where did you got that letter from?

From an exhibition catalogue "Russian treasures- imperial gifts. The exhibition took place in Denmark in 2002 and the catalogue included letters from various royalty, but mostly Marie Feodorovna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 04, 2010, 05:19:07 AM
KR with his wife and children
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4570628275_60846e5771_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 04, 2010, 08:13:24 AM
Konstantin Konstantinovich Jr

(http://i47.tinypic.com/f3vwk4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Tsarevich Alexei fan13 on July 11, 2010, 12:22:18 PM
Hi Everyone,
if any of you have any images of Prince Igor Konstantinovich please post. here are some of mine.
http://img217.imageshack.us/i/picture1tttt.jpg/
http://img697.imageshack.us/i/picture1thm.jpg/
http://img13.imageshack.us/i/m197501112245.jpg/
http://img692.imageshack.us/i/igorvw.jpg/
http://img443.imageshack.us/i/igorkonstantinovich.jpg/
http://img176.imageshack.us/i/igoralexey.jpg/
http://img196.imageshack.us/i/igor2v.jpg/
http://img294.imageshack.us/i/52541878knyazigor.jpg/
http://img46.imageshack.us/i/5129214501707bf8ddd8bax.jpg/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 14, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
Katenka, do you have a bigger version of that last one you've posted?

I have a little problem with this one - I recognize Oleg and Igor, but I'm not sure who is that tallest boy? It was labelled as Ioann, but, hm....
Does anybody know?...
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6513/ioannolegigor.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 14, 2010, 03:08:14 PM
Nope, thats the bigger i got =(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 14, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/12-23-200911-13-44PM.png)
KR with one of his son's (can anyone identify?)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 15, 2010, 03:21:16 AM
I would say it's Ioann.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on July 15, 2010, 06:02:33 AM
'I would say it's Ioann.'

I wonder whether it's actually one of KR's younger children. KR was born in 1858 and so was 28 when Ioann was born in 1886. Even making allowances for beards and crew cuts tending to make a man look older, he looks older than that (is there grey in his hair - impossible to tell with a black and white picture, however).

Ann

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 15, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
It's one of his sons, I have no doubt. I'm just not sure which one - I think Ioann and Gavril were very similar to each other in their early childhood.


Oleg Konstantinovich - I hope it was not posted here before
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6294/oleg51250786knyaz17.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 15, 2010, 01:28:08 PM
Igor
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9263/igor5253699901707742a55.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on July 19, 2010, 01:56:01 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/12-23-200911-13-44PM.png)
KR with one of his son's (can anyone identify?)



This has been discussed before and I firmly believe it´s Georgiy. Look at the child´s face.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 19, 2010, 03:55:42 AM
Konstantinovichi with Grandma Aleksandra Iosifovna, aunties Olga and Vera, uncle Dmitri and greek cousin Christopher
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8862/51250359aiis.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 19, 2010, 07:01:51 AM


Constantin Constantinovich Jr

(http://i30.tinypic.com/333epky.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 19, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
Oleg and Igor
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/253/konstf6259872557a.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 03:56:58 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krchildrengroupphoto.jpg)
1902 group photo of KR's children
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 20, 2010, 04:12:23 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krpic1.jpg)
screen shot of KR
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on July 20, 2010, 06:12:10 PM
Oleg and Georgiy
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2797/oleggieorgijk.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 21, 2010, 07:06:30 AM
Young KR

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6034/escanear0041y.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/escanear0041y.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 21, 2010, 08:19:27 AM



Old Vera Constantinova

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/285/gdr235.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/gdr235.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 21, 2010, 05:44:16 PM
Very young Vera

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/vera190809001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on July 24, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
KR as Hamlet

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/_-3.jpg)

With son Oleg

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/_-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 30, 2010, 12:18:29 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/vera1907.jpg)
Vera 1907
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 02, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/konk.jpg)
KR
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 07, 2010, 12:34:42 PM
its really him? it looks like Contantine of greece
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 07, 2010, 02:00:51 PM
Yes, I thought it was misidentified as well, but it appears there was a series of miniature of GD Konstantin N. children done when they were very young. The only miniature they did not have was for GD Vyacheslav. Here are the miniatures ...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/nicholask-1.jpg)
GD Nicholas

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/olgak-1.jpg)
GD Olga

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/verak-1.jpg)
GD Vera

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/GrandDukeDmitryKonstantinovich-1.jpg)
GD Dmitri
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on August 07, 2010, 05:40:44 PM
Well, Constantine of Greece was KR's nephew and namesake--I guess much of his looks came from his mother's family. That is the spitting image of a photo of Constantine of Greece that I've seen though--the resemblance is something.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on August 12, 2010, 07:55:32 AM
Yes, I thought it was misidentified as well, but it appears there was a series of miniature of GD Konstantin N. children done when they were very young. The only miniature they did not have was for GD Vyacheslav. Here are the miniatures ...






Love the miniatures...if you find some more of this branch please post.Thnx
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 18, 2010, 01:21:35 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR1915001-1.jpg)
GD Konstantin in 1915.

I was struck by how old and worn he appears in this photo.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 18, 2010, 02:02:26 AM
Well, he was ill and depressed after losing his beloved son Oleg.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 18, 2010, 05:27:11 AM
He died in that same year, perhaps a short time after this photo was taken.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 18, 2010, 02:26:34 PM
Another image of KR on stage

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9948/56012048.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/56012048.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 23, 2010, 06:02:34 PM
(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//61/7/61007775_1277972314_imgB.gif)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 23, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
I don't know why, but in the last pic, it almost looks like the beard was put in the pic after it was taken its so darker than the rest of his hair.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 24, 2010, 08:05:39 AM
I love this one

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9018/kr610077671277972267241.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 24, 2010, 09:52:07 AM
KR
(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/11184/2857629190101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2857629190101857556nnxbDG)

I wonder what it's written below... :- /
(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/26559/2327254270101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2327254270101857556JeeJYM)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 25, 2010, 02:10:09 PM




GD Elizaveta Mavrikievna with her daughter Tatiana and granddaughter Natalia, ca. 1920.
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4003/ne-nai.d/0_1707f_f713c836_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 25, 2010, 04:32:51 PM
I hope this one was not posted before

little Vera Konstantinovna with her dolls
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4003/ne-nai.d/0_17085_2bb93392_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 25, 2010, 04:39:16 PM
She almost looks like a doll herself.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 25, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
I hope this one was not posted before



It was. But with a watermark.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 06:37:59 AM
As a said , another example of inacurate illustrations.

Vera Constantinovna. Circa 1962

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3050/vera1962a.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/vera1962a.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 26, 2010, 07:18:42 AM
Faberge frame with  portrait miniatures of KR's children
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3903/ne-nai.10/0_1763d_caf4071b_XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 26, 2010, 02:15:24 PM
I hope this one was not posted before

It was. But with a watermark.


I checked the whole both topics - it was NOT posted.
There are two other pictures of Vera from the same session in her room, but they are diffrent.


********
Handsome Prince Konstantin Konstantinovich
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3904/ne-nai.d/0_17074_96b2e957_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 02:22:20 PM
I love him *0*. Thank you!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 26, 2010, 02:51:19 PM
I'm not sure why, but he reminds me of the guy who plays Marie Antionettes husband in the movie. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 03:02:46 PM
No way!! xDD

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Jason_schwartzman_headshot.jpg
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 26, 2010, 03:34:22 PM
I agree - indeed, no waaay!!!;-)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 26, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
I don't mean I think they look like each other, just that he made me think of him, more specifically him during the movie. I don't know why 'cause they really don't look alike, but I looked at that pic and automatically thought of him. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
I hope this one was not posted before

It was. But with a watermark.


I checked the whole both topics - it was NOT posted.
There are two other pictures of Vera from the same session in her room, but they are diffrent.




Well, I remember the photo, more likley it had been gone - deleted I guess.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on August 27, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
From the left Princes Ioann and Gavril 
(http://metkere.com/assets_c/2009/05/1812-witnesses01-thumb-500x350.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on August 29, 2010, 04:30:15 AM
Are there any indications who the elderly gentlemen are?

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 29, 2010, 04:35:17 AM
Are there any indications who the elderly gentlemen are?

Ann

They are veterans of the 1812 year war with Napoleon. Longlivers!))
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: katmaxoz on August 29, 2010, 04:43:46 AM
Are there any indications who the elderly gentlemen are?

Ann

They are veterans of the 1812 year war with Napoleon. Longlivers!))

I just finished reading about this! It took place on 25th August 1912 when Prince Gabriel Constantinovich and other members of the Imperial family went to Borodino to celebrate the great victory over Napoleon in 1812. Where he comments: "there was held a service in Borodino field after which old men-peasants of one hundred were introduced to the emperor as the Borodino Battle contemporaries. Some of them were said to be false because they were much younger and had nothing to do with the Borodino Battle."

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on August 29, 2010, 05:17:30 AM
I thought it might be that.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on August 30, 2010, 07:07:58 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krfamilypic1-1.jpg)
Grand Duke Konstantin and GD Elizabeth with their children
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 02, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
Prince Igor Konstantinovich with  Olga Nikolaevna and Tsarevich Aleksei
(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//58/939/58939809_romanfamily.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 02, 2010, 11:21:12 AM
That's such in nice photo, do you no where it was taken?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 02, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
Actually I'm not sure. If I remember correctly Igor was with the Tsar and Tsarevich at Stavka during the war, but honestly I don't know, where this picture was taken - there or somewhere else...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on September 02, 2010, 12:24:47 PM
Yes, this photo is taken in Stavka. Igor Konstantinovich is wearing here special white aiguillette of HIM N-II suite. Igor was enlisted in N-II suite in 1915 and all that time accompanied N-II. That's why photo is taken about 1915-1916.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Tsarevich Alexei fan13 on September 03, 2010, 08:14:44 PM
Here is one that I sanned in from Nicholas and Alexandra the Family albums Ioann and Gravil and be seen towards the right. Could someone please tell  me who put his arm around Gravil and the names of the people in the background. I know that Nicholas II is in their with I think Grand Duchess Olga (sister)
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae193/Romanovfan/Scan_t5.jpg?t=1283562354
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on September 04, 2010, 12:31:08 AM
Here is one that I sanned in from Nicholas and Alexandra the Family albums Ioann and Gravil and be seen towards the right. Could someone please tell  me who put his arm around Gravil and the names of the people in the background. I know that Nicholas II is in their with I think Grand Duchess Olga (sister)
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae193/Romanovfan/Scan_t5.jpg?t=1283562354


GD Andrei V. put his arm around Gavril.

As for others: GD Vladimir is half-cut off the picture (at left). At back ground from left to right: GDss Olga, Nicholas II, then looks like GD Mikhail A., unkhown, Prince Petr of Oldenburg.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 04, 2010, 02:14:07 AM
then looks like GD Mikhail A., unkhown, Prince Petr of Oldenburg.

It is Michael Aleksandrovich,Boris Vladimirovich and Peter of Oldenburg.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on September 04, 2010, 05:18:11 AM
then looks like GD Mikhail A., unkhown, Prince Petr of Oldenburg.

It is Michael Aleksandrovich,Boris Vladimirovich and Peter of Oldenburg.

Not sure that's Boris.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 04, 2010, 09:25:47 AM
then looks like GD Mikhail A., unkhown, Prince Petr of Oldenburg.

It is Michael Aleksandrovich,Boris Vladimirovich and Peter of Oldenburg.

Not sure that's Boris.

 It's him. He is also in few other pictures taken that day.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 04, 2010, 09:27:18 AM
I can recognice my Boris in  multitude of people. Its him, 100% sure *0*
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 04, 2010, 10:51:04 AM
Hi,

I think that is Ioann with the hand on his shoulder, not Gavril;  Gavril is behind Ioann...

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on September 04, 2010, 08:35:37 PM
I just came across this video today.  Even though it is in Russian I was able to more or less follow it.  There is even footage about KR's funeral at the beginning of the video.  It's definatley worth a look....

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/videos/kr.html

enjoy!

best,
dca
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: rudy3 on September 06, 2010, 02:36:18 AM
Thank you, Dominic, for posting the link. You made my day!

Some first impressions on the video made last year for the 150th anniversary of the birth of Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovitch:

It is interesting to see in what horrible state his birthplace, the Strelna  (Konstantinosky) Palace was, before it was restored for the 300 year St Petersburg celebrations.

Also interesting to see the painting by Kuindzhi: Night on the Dnepr hanging (on the left) in the study of Konstantin Konstantinovitch. He did go to the artist's studio to buy it directly from him. It was a big surprise, or more of a shock to Kuindzhi, when Konstantin Konstantinovich visited him in his studio unannounced.

K.R. read his play "King of Jews" to soldiers and officers, as it had not been allowed to be staged, according to this video. Not completely right. The Holy Synod had forbidden to perform this play on stage, but thanks to involvement by Tsar Nicholas it was staged once, on the scene of the Hermitage theater (the pictures in this film are from that performance).
A nice detail: after this performance the Holy Synod allowed the play to be read on stage, but without any attributes. Bulgakov visited one of these readings in Kiev and "borrowed" the theme of Pontus Pilatus from this play for his "Master and Margarita".

The video tells us, Konstantin Konstantinovitch has been faithful to his wife for his whole life. Knowing, what we know know, I think this sentence could have been omitted from the film.

Rudy
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 08, 2010, 08:57:50 AM
KR with cadets
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2281/krromanov.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 11, 2010, 07:17:53 AM
KR
(http://rusich1.ru/_ph/14/2/905016895.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 16, 2010, 05:09:05 AM
 Igor and Ioann Konstantinovichi
(http://feb-web.ru/feb/rosarc/pictures/RAF-449.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 16, 2010, 04:24:03 PM
I like how his hat is kinda tilted, was this for a specific purpose?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on September 17, 2010, 03:38:13 AM
Military swagger!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 19, 2010, 01:41:02 PM
oh, ok. thankyou. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on September 20, 2010, 03:19:17 AM
Interestingly, some military dress regulations actually lay down angles for the wearing of one's head dress.

For example, in Britain, the Rifles state that the sidehat should be worn central and dead straight, whereas the RAF say it should be tilted over to te right with the bottom edge half an inch above the right ear. (Actually, if you want a proper degree of swagger, the bottom edge goes where the ear joins the head!)

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 21, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
Interesting, I never knew that. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 21, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
KR with cadets
(http://odessa.sergekot.com/media/uploads/odessa/fontanskaya_doroga/kadetskiy_korpus/631151303.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Tsarevich Alexei fan13 on September 21, 2010, 07:08:03 PM
Hi everyone! I have a question. I was reading and found out that that Maria wrote in her diary "5 of us went to church with papa and mam. was congratulated. At lunch sat with uncle Kyril and Igor. " could that have possibly been the date when Igor tried to kiss Maria and she pushed him back? sorry if this is a stupid question for I have heard that Igor was a close friend and could have spent every lunch with them I'm just not sure.
Thank you!!
Stephen
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 23, 2010, 07:06:29 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krfam199.png)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krfam198.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 25, 2010, 03:52:58 PM
KR with cadets
(http://www.gelos.ru/month/may2010book/bigimages/nb5808-9.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on September 27, 2010, 03:46:58 PM
KR
(http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/WebPict/fullpic/0013-124.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on September 27, 2010, 09:32:20 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/paulkrsergei.jpg)
GD Paul, KR, and GD Serge
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 06:53:42 AM
That last one is awesome! the three of them look absolutely handsome!. Thank you!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 04, 2010, 07:10:14 AM
If someone have these one in clearer and fuller, it could be great!!

Konstantin Jr (courtesy of a Liveinet member)

(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5458/57990306k.jpg) (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/57990306k.jpg/)

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4430/57391183k.jpg) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/57391183k.jpg/)

 
Those captures are from the documentary "K.R" from a russian channel. I wish i know some cyrillic, i passed it on dvd but i dont understand a word of what they say!!



 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on October 05, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
KR with his sister Olga and GD Pavel Aleksandrovich
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5738/paeelkonstantyolga.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 06, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
KR with Sergei and Pavel Alexandrovich

(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7577/dfgyery.jpg) (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/dfgyery.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on October 07, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/elizavetakr.jpg)
GD Elizabeth
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: katmaxoz on October 17, 2010, 04:32:42 AM
KR & Elizabeth

(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44739/2049914760102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2049914760102753164HeiVdw)



Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 17, 2010, 05:46:36 AM
Elisaveta recovering herself after giving birth Vera.

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2663/0170829f27242al.jpg) (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/0170829f27242al.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 28, 2010, 05:34:47 AM
Watercolor of GD Konstantin Konstantinovich as Hamlet by Sofia Ivanovna kramskaya

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9329/sofiaivanovnakramskaya.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/sofiaivanovnakramskaya.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 28, 2010, 06:40:35 AM
Watercolor of GD Konstantin Konstantinovich as Hamlet by Sofia Ivanovna kramskaya

Haha, too cool with the fake Order of the Elephant! (I don't think KR had been awarded that order, in that case he could have worn his own, real one!)

I guess one could make up a fictional mythological Round Table of the Knights of the Elephant. Let's see, who should belong to it:
Hamlet / Amled, Prince of Denmark
Holger Danske / Ogier le Danois
Uffe hin Spage / Offa of the Angles
Bjovulf / Beowulf
......
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 14, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
Young Prince Konstantin Konstantinovich
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/5579/80642808.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 15, 2010, 05:10:12 AM
KR
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7038/07950granddukeconstanti.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 16, 2010, 05:46:30 PM
Oleg
(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//57/391/57391263_K.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2010, 04:38:28 AM
I found this at sotheby s archive. Its a necklace with eastern eggs in miniature that belonged to Elisaveta

(http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1714/51388656.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 17, 2010, 09:01:57 AM
KR
(http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//57/392/57392072_K.jpg)

KR with little Ioann and Gavril
(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//57/391/57391913_K.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on November 17, 2010, 10:10:19 AM
I think it's Gavril on the left. He looked a bit odd as an adult, unlike Gavril.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 18, 2010, 08:42:29 AM
Oleg
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5099/57989347k.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 11:36:26 AM
Elisaveta and one of her sisters (?)

(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6233/10040349a.jpg) (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/10040349a.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on November 18, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
Elisaveta and one of her sisters (?)





 

Yes, Marianne.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 21, 2010, 04:54:28 AM
KR
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7697/01381r.jpg)

Igor, Tatiana and Ioann
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4371/57989060k.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 22, 2010, 05:11:06 AM
Young KR
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4872/57988334k.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 27, 2010, 05:42:39 AM
KR with wife
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9527/57988521k.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on November 28, 2010, 04:01:38 AM
KR with young cadets
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/318/443559072543eacdd6ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on December 15, 2010, 06:08:09 AM
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/821/98522061.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on December 20, 2010, 05:47:31 AM
KR in the costume from Hamlet
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/674/kr8.gif)

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7141/kr7.gif)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 02:05:22 PM
Prince George Konstantinovich & Mrs Thomas Ruckelshaus in Palm beach. 1938

(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7964/412844056o.jpg) (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/412844056o.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2010, 06:44:57 AM
GD Konstantin and women of his family with the staff of the Hospital of Queen Olga of Greece, 1915 year

In front row there are Princess Elena Petrovna, Queen Olga of Greece and GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110506_0001-1-th.jpeg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110506_0001-1.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 05, 2011, 09:10:41 AM


GD Elizaveta Mavrikievna with her daughter Tatiana and granddaughter Natalia, ca. 1920.
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4003/ne-nai.d/0_1707f_f713c836_L.jpg)

Not 1920. That's around 1926-1927.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on January 05, 2011, 10:29:05 AM
Natalia is certainly far too tall for an eight-year-old!

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Teddy on January 05, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
GD Konstantin and women of his family with the staff of the Hospital of Queen Olga of Greece, 1915 year

In front row there are Princess Elena Petrovna, Queen Olga of Greece and GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110506_0001-1-th.jpeg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110506_0001-1.html)

What a wonderfull photo? This is from a book? Which?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 06, 2011, 12:02:22 AM


What a wonderfull photo? This is from a book? Which?

That's from an old magazine of 1915 year.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 10, 2011, 02:20:39 AM
GDss Elizaveta M. in 1923
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1923em.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 10, 2011, 02:21:36 AM
GD Konstantin K. in 1900

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/kk.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: larri* on January 13, 2011, 12:31:06 PM
Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich by Bergamasco. From romanovrussia.com:

(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/2440/granddukekonstantin1.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/granddukekonstantin1.jpg/)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on January 15, 2011, 02:55:29 AM
KR with Tsar Nicholas
(http://sergeyrusanov.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kr3.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Eutropius on February 07, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted.

Link to a photograph of Princess Natalia "Natasha" Bagration-Mukhransky (daughter of Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna and granddaughter of KR)  

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Photographic-Princess-Bagration-Mary-Evans/dp/B004KHVCZ6 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Photographic-Princess-Bagration-Mary-Evans/dp/B004KHVCZ6)

Princess Natasha was engaged to Lt. The Hon. Christopher Furness (eldest son of the 1st Viscount Furness) before his heroic death in France in 1940.  He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions.  There is a photograph of him at the Esoteric Curiosa blog.  He was apparently considered to be quite a good catch (money and looks).  His father's second wife was the semi-(in)famous Thelma, Viscountess Furness.  
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on February 07, 2011, 08:10:46 PM
Natasha was after Lady Johnston...Her husband was Governor of Aden and Ambassador to Jordan...

She was also "first love" of her cousin Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Eutropius on February 07, 2011, 08:34:32 PM
True.  According to The Times, King Peter and Queen Alexandra attended her wedding to C. H. Johnston in 1944, so she must have maintained some degree of friendship with the Yugoslavian royals. 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 08, 2011, 03:51:40 AM
'She was also "first love" of her cousin Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia!'

Hm, I wonder, for the simple reason that Tatiana was 14 years older than Tomislav, and he was still a boy when she married in 1944. Maybe not in a romantic fashion.

According to Wikipedia, Tatiana's husband translated the works of Pushkin into English - obviously he picked up fluent Russian from her!

Is there any information about Tatiana's brother Teymuraz?

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on February 08, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
'She was also "first love" of her cousin Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia!'

Hm, I wonder, for the simple reason that Tatiana was 14 years older than Tomislav, and he was still a boy when she married in 1944. Maybe not in a romantic fashion.


It's Natalia,not Tatiana ;-) That's why I wrote "first love" and Prince Tomislav stated that in his biography...

Princess Natalia was close to Yugoslav royals due to the fact that her aunt(married to their uncle Ioann) was Princess Helena Petrovna,sister of King Alexander of Yugoslavia...Because of their close relations Bagrations lived a while in Yugoslavia after the revolution broke off in Russia...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 09, 2011, 03:27:20 AM
Marc

No problem (I keep getting the names mixed up, so thanks for putting me right).

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Eutropius on February 09, 2011, 11:49:44 AM
Clifton Daniel, President Truman's son-in-law, was a close long-time friend of Princess Natasha.  He described her in his memoir Lord, Ladies, and Gentlemen as a "...tall, angular woman with a husky voice, a beguiling accent not quite identifiable, an unexpected giggle and a gift for gaiety" (Daniel, 41).  She worked for the Yugoslavian government as a secretary during the War and met husband, C. H. Johnston while she was living in Cairo (47).  The couple moved around frequently and weren't always wealthy, but always loved to entertain their friends (48). 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on February 20, 2011, 03:23:45 PM
KR
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9844/maimageb69e31cffbfd4485.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashanti01 on February 22, 2011, 09:45:14 PM
1933 Princess Tatiana with her children, Prince Teymuraz & Princess Natasha
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/1933tatcthenat001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 23, 2011, 05:52:25 AM
KR:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_KR.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=KR.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 24, 2011, 04:52:48 AM
KR:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_KR2.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=KR2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 25, 2011, 03:12:08 AM
Not new, but good size, Konstantin:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_Konstantin.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=Konstantin.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 27, 2011, 05:43:36 AM
KR:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_kr3.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=kr3.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on February 27, 2011, 06:20:17 AM
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4617/garf79.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: RealAnastasia on February 27, 2011, 11:20:38 AM
I'm logged to Imageshack, but for some reason I can't see any pic posted from that hosting site. And I know it happens in almost every boards. It seems that all the owners of sites, boards, forums, etc, must register their domains at Imageshack in order to make their pictures available...I think I'll come back to Photobucket, but the sad thing is that I canot see any pic posted from Iageshack....

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 28, 2011, 04:59:57 AM
Not new but better size, KR:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_KR5.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=KR5.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 01, 2011, 07:53:12 AM
Igor and Konstantin:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/Igor-Konstantin.jpg)
KR with his wife and children:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_kr-family.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=kr-family.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 02, 2011, 03:18:28 AM
KR:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/th_KR6.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/?action=view&current=KR6.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 04, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
Igor and Constantine:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/KR/Igor_-_Constantine.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on March 07, 2011, 08:24:48 AM
KR as a boy
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8053/89936108.jpg)

KR with wife
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4839/71239544.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on March 08, 2011, 01:20:16 AM

KR with wife
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4839/71239544.jpg)

That one had been posted in Part I in larger version

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.30 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.30)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on March 08, 2011, 04:28:50 AM
I know, but this one is better quality (picture is bigger after downloading).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: larri* on March 31, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
Signed photograph of Grand Duke Konstantin in 1904:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5937/1904konstantin.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/1904konstantin.jpg/)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: RealAnastasia on March 31, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
KR looks very handsome in this pic. I like it a lot, and I've never seen it before.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 09, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Elisabeth

(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1323/sldjfslj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/sldjfslj.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 01, 2011, 09:40:24 AM
KR with sister Olga and  Gd Serge Alexandrovich

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4063/01d91557ebd207xl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/01d91557ebd207xl.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: blessOTMA on June 02, 2011, 07:47:04 AM
Prince Igor, who I must say was growing handsomer at this time, part of the Tsar's  suite  at HQ
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_IgorNA.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/IgorNA.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_HQ.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/HQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 08, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Gdss Elisabeth

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7880/mavra.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 09, 2011, 05:05:12 AM
GDss Elizaveta M. in 1915

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2zingww.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on August 11, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Her granddaughter,Princess Natalia Bagration-Mukhransky,Lady Johnston:

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw139446/Princess-Natasha-ne-Bagration-Mukhransky-Lady-Johnston
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on August 18, 2011, 05:19:07 AM
GD Konstantin and his sister Olga..blurry photo of the end of the 1870s

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/olgabrother.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: jalm on November 12, 2011, 11:31:24 AM
Two photographs of Elisabeth von Sachsen - Altenburg (1865-1927).
She married in 1884 Konstantin Konstantinovich, Grand Duke of Russia.
She was the daughter of Moritz von Sachsen - Altenburg and Auguste von Sachsen - Meiningen.

These photographs can also be found in the topic on the Sachsen - Altenburg family.

(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/alexander-palace/cc11-11.jpg)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/alexander-palace/cc12-11.jpg)

Greetings,

Jan
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: THERRY on November 13, 2011, 04:26:34 AM
Thank You, these photographs are totally new
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: jalm on November 13, 2011, 07:45:43 AM
You're welcome Thierry,

The provenance is the Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach family.
I have one more photograph I'm working on - I need some more certanty though.
I might add it with a "most probably".

Greetings,

Jan
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on November 13, 2011, 11:35:42 AM

I have one more photograph I'm working on - I need some more certanty though.
I might add it with a "most probably".

Greetings,

Jan


We love solving 'who is it' here in the Forums! )) Might be very interesting.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: jalm on November 13, 2011, 12:21:32 PM
You are right .....

Please find it here:

(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/alexander-palace/cc13-11.jpg)

The titles read "Prinzessin Mimi(?)" and "Prinzessin Beth von Sachsen - Altenburg" and "1882 oder 83".

The seated girl is to my opinion Maria von Sachsen - Altenburg and the standing girl Elisabeth von Sachsen - Altenburg.
I have also thought of Maria von Sachsen - Meiningen but since I also have a photograph of her I must say she does not look like them.

I'm not certain about the "Mimi" - it could be Mari but that is ot very logic.

Thanks in advance !

Jan

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on November 13, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
They are Marianne and Elisabeth of Saxe-Altenburg. Marianne's profile is very unmistakable. Mimi and Beth are definitely the girls' nicknames.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on November 30, 2011, 05:33:35 AM
GDss Elizaveta M. and her SIL Queen Olga of Greece

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/emolga.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Laura_ on December 01, 2011, 04:52:01 AM
GDss Elizaveta M. and her SIL Queen Olga of Greece

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/emolga.jpg


yet another beautiful photograph, this time not a mother and daughter image, but two sisters-in-law...they look so close to one another in this photo...there should really be a photo-album on Queen Olga's images, like the ones on GD Ella and Queen Marie of Romania...Queen Olga's photographs are just too beautiful and would definitely deserve their own book...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Dru on February 03, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6815068569_b1cc4d4b27_b.jpg)

Children of Konstantin Konstantinovich and Elizaveta Mavrikievna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: THERRY on February 04, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Original and very nice   ::)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 04, 2012, 10:25:13 AM
Hi,

Correct me if I'm wrong -  -
Ioann (John)
Gavril (Gabriel)
Tatiana
Constantine
Oleg
Igor
George
Vera

Oleg died in WWI
Ioann, Constantine and Igor died with the Grand Duchess Elisabeth
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Olgasha on February 04, 2012, 10:56:45 AM
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???
George survived too.
In 1929 he moved to New York. He died of peritonitis in 1938 and is buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery, Maspeth, Long Island.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 04, 2012, 02:55:35 PM

Is there any information about Tatiana's brother Teymuraz?

Ann

Teimuraz Constantinovich died on April 10, 1992.

An obituary appeared in the NYC Russian newspaper "Novoye Russkoye Slovo" on April 23, p. 4.

The Tolstoy Foundation, of which he was head, has this short note on its web-site:
http://www.tolstoyfoundation.org/bagration.html

NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/18/nyregion/bagration-mukhransky-memorial-services.html

And Wikipedia too...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 04, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Hi,

Thank you Olgasha, for that information on George.  Appreciated!!

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 05, 2012, 03:52:39 AM
Good to hear that Teimuraz Konstantinovich was a public-spirited fellow. His mother had a far more than averagely difficult life - First husband killed in battle, as was one brother, three brothers and favourite uncle killed by the Bolsheviks, second husband died after only three months of marriage.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: ashdean on February 05, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
Prince Teimuraz's widow gifted/bequeathed a few very modest items of Faberge to the british royal family for the Royal collection.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Chris_H on February 05, 2012, 04:33:04 PM
Great pictures!  I understand the KR was the last imperial funeral?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 05, 2012, 08:32:34 PM
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???
George survived too.
In 1929 he moved to New York. He died of peritonitis in 1938 and is buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery, Maspeth, Long Island.

1)
And, as noted elsewhere on the forum, Princess Vera Constantinovna later had his body moved to the cemetery at Novo Diveevo, in Nanuet, NY.
See this post in Part I (which is now locked) of this thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.msg261931#msg261931

2)
I would also like to comment about another post in Part I:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.msg267905#msg267905
Quote
Maybe there isn't enough for a whole book. Just because someone is royal or born to a fascinating family doesn't make their own life intrinsically book-worthy. Her life in the United States, for all its length, was fairly uneventful and quiet. There was a decent amount in the book on her family, Gilded Prism.

'Thus began [the escape from Russia] a nomadic existence, moving to Belgium before finally settling in her mother's native Germany, where she lived through the difficult years' of WW2....'For many years, as she later admitted, she was haunted by the 'monstrous' events of the Revolution. 'For many years,' she recalled, 'I used to have the same dream, as if I stood with my back to a pit and they were going to shoot me...my awakening was not less terrible than the dream itself, because I was constantly afraid to open my eyes and see that they had really come to take me to the execution.' After WW2, fleeing the Soviets, she 'faced the harsh truth that she belonged to no country' as she only had an ambiguous Nansen passport which gave her the ability to travel but no protections of statehood. Despite this, she refused to take the protection offered to her by various European countries, feeling herself Russian. She moved to the US in 1951 and lived in New York where she was very active in charities but regarded some of the emigree community, and some of their pretensions, with skepticism. She didn't have the 'nostalgic idyll' of many emigrees but rather the memories of her childhood and her lost family. The 'constant stream' of visitors she regarded with some amusement and also found it rather 'trying'. She didn't care for those who would 'speak in awe-struck tones' of the late Imperial family--she would often relate stories of their humanness and misbehavior. For her they remained her 'childhood playmates, not distant figures for adoration'. She also regarded the canonization of the Romanovs, including her brothers and uncle, as a 'puzzling, peculiar' move by the Church. 

Princess Vera Constantinovna's attitude toward the glorification of the New Martyrs of Russia was neither "puzzling" nor "peculiar", but the above statement most certainly is both.

True, Princess Vera did not overly romanticize her family's past, or Imperial Russia, but she fully supported the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad's decision to glorify the New Martyrs of Russia.

It was a day she longed to see, and which she was grateful to have lived to see.

If she truly found the act of glorification "puzzling" or "peculiar", she certainly would not have taken such an active part in the preparations for it, nor have attended all the church services relating to it.
She could have simply remained at home.

As it was, she attended the Vigil service on the eve of the glorification, standing front and center when the new icon was solemnly unveiled and the first hymns in honor of the New Martyrs were chanted.
She stood through the very long Liturgy the next morning, received Holy Communion, and was present at the festive banquet held afterwards.

Years later she still spoke of how much it meant to her.

Here is a letter which she sent to us in 1986.
It is written on her stationery from the Tolstoy Foundation, and bears her crowned monogram "BK".

Among other things, she states:

"...By the way, I did not see his [Constantine's] godsons at the glorification of the New Martyrs — there were almost more people present than at Pascha, and we, the family, were standing up front. Without assistance, I would not have been able to to up to the Cup [to receive Communion]. I will never forget those days, which I had so been awaiting. And coming up soon is the 1,000th anniversary of the baptism of Rus'..."


(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_PrVeraConstOnGlorificationNM.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/?action=view&current=PrVeraConstOnGlorificationNM.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: miki_nastya on May 03, 2012, 05:37:37 AM
Are there any online documentaries about KR and his family?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on May 21, 2012, 03:42:41 PM
Are there any online documentaries about KR and his family?

In Russian there are some good doc-s.  Can't say the titles exactly though,need time to find.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on May 21, 2012, 03:43:33 PM
GDss Elizaveta M. and her sister Marianne

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/KGrHqRHJ4E8gcpvBPW4R6REKQ60_12.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on September 07, 2012, 06:48:36 PM
Wow I just realized how much Gavril looked like his mother. How much information on Gavril's siblings are in his memories?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Rodney_G. on September 08, 2012, 01:18:20 PM

Is there any information about Tatiana's brother Teymuraz?

Ann

Teimuraz Constantinovich died on April 10, 1992.

An obituary appeared in the NYC Russian newspaper "Novoye Russkoye Slovo" on April 23, p. 4.

The Tolstoy Foundation, of which he was head, has this short note on its web-site:
http://www.tolstoyfoundation.org/bagration.html

NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/18/nyregion/bagration-mukhransky-memorial-services.html

And Wikipedia too...

Sorry, I'm joining this thread a litttle late. But who is Teimuraz Constantinovich? Son of Tatiana or Vera Konstantinova?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on September 08, 2012, 03:15:54 PM
Prince Teymuraz Konstantinovich Bagration-Mukhransky was the son of Princess Tatiana, a grandson of KR. Vera never married nor had children.

It's sadly ironic that the patriarch of such a large family, KR left very few grandchildren--the 2 children of Ioann and the 2 children of Tatiana.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on September 13, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
I found this site about Tatiana. It's not much about her but it's still informative http://obolensky.blogspot.com/2012/02/destiny-of-princess-of-blood-royal.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: katmaxoz on September 27, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
Grand Duchess Alexandra

(http://i50.tinypic.com/zleux3.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on November 14, 2012, 05:04:51 PM
Can't remember where it was and maybe someone else does, but I read somewhere online about a prince (I think) who visited the Marble Palace and whenever he did he was reminded of being in a fishbowl because of all the mouths (of the children) opening and closing rhythmically.  Also didn't Felix once beat up a few of them while playing? I also remember in "Romanov Autumn" where a woman recounts as a child how easy it was to knock the boys down. The poor dears don't seem to catch a break.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Rodney_G. on November 16, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
I found this site about Tatiana. It's not much about her but it's still informative http://obolensky.blogspot.com/2012/02/destiny-of-princess-of-blood-royal.html

That website about Tatiana seems to erroneously  identify her as a granddaughter of Nicholas I.  Wasn't she Nicholas' great-grandaughter? Her father, KR,  was Konstantin Konstantinovich, after all.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: LadyHezter on November 17, 2012, 12:04:53 PM
Yes, You are correct. Nicholas I was her great-grandfather.

Lady H.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 17, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Tatiana's daughter & son-in-law:

(http://www.britishempire.co.uk/images4/sircharlesjohnston.jpg)

Natalie's husband Charles Hepburn-Johnston:"Johnston was a Foreign Office diplomat for most of his life (and a prolific author) having served in Japan, Spain and Jordan. This last post was thought to prepare him somewhat for the unconventional transition to the colonial service. He would be the last governor of Aden in its own right. He helped to merge the colony of Aden into the Federation of South Arabia. The idea was to promote the constitutional arrangement of this colony but still keeping a British military presence in the area. So long as he was there (1960-63) this line was maintained, with some difficulty but on the whole with success, as he related in The View from Steamer Point (1964)."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 17, 2012, 03:23:09 PM
(http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/3/0/mw139430.jpg)

(http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/4/6/mw139446.jpg)

(http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/4/7/mw139447.jpg)

From the NPG c.Jan 1940
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 17, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
(http://media.tipsimages.it/MediaNews/Logo/MRE00135452.jpg)

"Pictured wearing a black, matt crepe dress by Paquin, embroidered round the sleeves with large black sequins. The Princess, an expert linguist, was, according to Harper s Bazaar, working with the BBC at the time of this photograph. "

(http://www.adenairways.com/page15/page201/page196/files/stacks_image_2468_1.png)

Sir Charles arriving in Aden

"Born in 1912, Charles Johnston was educated at Winchester College and Balliol College, in Oxford. He entered the Diplomatic Service in 1936 and was posted as 3rd Secretary in Tokyo in 1939. He interned in Japan from 1940-1942 then moved to the position of 2nd Secretary in Cairo from 1942-1945. Promoted to 1st Secretary in Cairo 1945-1948 followed by a posting to Madrid from 1948-1951.

Johnston was  Counsellor to Japan and Pacific Department and China and Korea Department, Foreign Office from 1951-1953 and Political Adviser to British High Commissioner in Bonn during 1953.

He became Ambassador to Jordan from 1956-1959 then  Governor and Commander-in-Chief, Aden, 1960-1963. Following the change of status of Aden and the other member States to a Federation, he fulfilled the  role of  High Commissioner for Aden and Protectorate of South Arabia from 18 January 1963 to 17 July 1963. This was followed by a position as Deputy Under Secretary of State, Foreign Office, 1963-1965 then High Commissioner, Australia, 1965-1971, retiring in 1971. Sir Charles died 15 years later in 1986.
 
He retired a little earlier than intended from his position as Governor of Aden to be back in UK with his wife,  who had been quite ill. In 1944 Charles had married Princess Nathalia (Natasha) Bagration-Moukhransky of the Russian Royal Family. "

also:
"His first senior appointment was as Ambassador to Jordan 1956-1959. He then became Governor and Commander-in-Chief of Aden and High Commissioner for the Protectorate of South Arabia 1959-1963. His final posting was as High Commissioner to Australia 1965-1971. On retirement, he became a company director and published several volumes of prose and poetry. He also translated Alexander Pushkin's novel in verse Eugene Onegin from the Russian, preserving its unusual Onegin stanza form. The translation was published in 1977.rs

Within the Order of St Michael and St George he was successively appointed Commander (CMG; 1 June 1953), Knight Commander (KCMG; 1 January 1959) and Knight Grand Cross (GCMG; 1 January 1971). He was named a Knight of the Venerable Order of St John (KStJ) on 16 November 1960.

His papers, including letters to & from his wife are kept at Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives, King's College London.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on November 19, 2012, 06:00:10 PM
Princess Natalia was first love of her distant cousin Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia...He wrote this in his autobiography!

She,now as Lady Johnston and her husband in later years:

http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au//item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=100336

http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=119802

http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=128637
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on November 20, 2012, 06:38:00 AM
Does anyone know how Natalia and Sir Charles Johnston met?

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on December 16, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
Does anyone know how Natalia and Sir Charles Johnston met?

Ann

I am not sure how exactly,but I know that during the war Princess Natalia worked as a secretary for the Yugoslav embassy in London while her husband worked as a diplomat for the British embassy...that might be the connection!

While in exile Prince Teimuraz and Princess Natalia lived in Bela Crkva,where they arrived only in 1927...Bela Crkva was the place where the most Russian emigrates were settled...In fact,the only Russian corpus left(1 out of 30) and still working in exile was "First Russian Cadet Corpus of the Great Prince Constantine Constantinovich" where boys were educated until reaching legal age.Prince Teimuraz firstly joined the 4th department of the Crimea Cadet Corpus.After the dissolution of the Crimea Cadet Corpus,Teimuraz continued his education in the First Russian Cadet Corpus,which was under the patronage of his grandfather,the Grand Duke Constantine Constantinovich. After graduation,the prince enrolled at the Yugoslav Military Academy, served at the Artillery Regiment of the Yugoslav Army and fought against the German army.

Two great grandsons of the famous Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy,Oleg and Ilia were students of the Cadet Corpus in Bela Crkva.

Anyway,let's go back to Teimuraz:

On October 27,1940 in Belgrade,the young prince married firstly to Katarina Racic(1919-1946),a rich girl who was also a granddaughter of Serbia's most famous Prime minister Nikola Pasic...

After the breakdown of the Yugoslav Army,Prince Teimuraz immigrated to Switzerland with his wife.Up to 1949 he held different positions at Yugoslav embassies in Geneve,Paris and London.Unfortunately,his young wife Katarina,unable to deal with the tragedy brought by World War II,suddenly died on December 20,1946 in a Paris.

Here is a picture of her grave in Departement de l'Essonne Ile-de-France,France with written in Cyrillic letters: "Ekaterina Stefanovna Ratchitch Bagration-Mukhransky   Birth: Jul. 4,1919   Death:Dec. 20,1946":

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Album%201/RacicBagr_zps01630098.jpg)



After this tragedy,Teimuraz moved to the United States in 1949,where he married for the second time in New York Countess Irina Sergeevna Tchernyshev-Bezobrazov.He also died there(NY) in 1992,while his wife(born in 1926) should still be alive...If I am wrong correct me,please!

There was also a Russian Institute for girls in Bela Crkva,which was working until it was finally closed in 1941...The Girls Board School was called Mariin Don( Мариинский донской институт - still written today in Russian ),after the Institute Empress Maria Alexandrovna opened in 1853.The Institute was managed by Natalia Vladimirovna Duhonina,a widow of general Duhonin.From 1930,the Institute was under patronage of Queen Maria of Yugoslavia.Besides Russian girls,children from upper class Serbian families and as well as children of families that were once subjects of the Russian crown for generations were educated here.Princess Natalia Bagration also attended that Institute!

According to the testimonies of their school friends,Prince Teimuraz and Princess Natalia Bagration-Moukhransky had no privileges in their schools.They were very humble and took part in all activities and games with their school friends...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 17, 2012, 03:40:58 AM
After all the tragedy Natalia, her mother and brother went through, she deserved a happy marriage.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on December 17, 2012, 08:25:41 AM
I wonder whether either Teimuraz or Natalia had ever met or had contact with Prince Philipp,who was their second cousin?

Prince Teimuraz held a high possession in the Yugoslav embassy in London,while Natalia was married to a British ambassador and we know that there were many formal occasions where they could have met,if they didn't know each other before?

After all,Philipp's grandmother Olga and their grandfather Konstantin were brother and sister...

Title: Tatiana Konstantinovna
Post by: Kalafrana on June 13, 2013, 02:06:40 PM
To kick off, are there any photographs of Tatiana's second husband, Alexander Korochenzov? And does anyone know anything about him beyond his being an ADC to her uncle? I read somewhere that he died of diphtheria. They had been married for less than three months.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 22, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
Paul Gilbert notes that recently a memorial service was conducted at the graves of Pr. George Constantinovich and Pr. Vera Constantinovna during the visit of G. D. Maria Vladimirovna to America:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/564news.html
Title: Re: Tatiana Konstantinovna
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 22, 2013, 12:55:00 PM
To kick off, are there any photographs of Tatiana's second husband, Alexander Korochenzov? And does anyone know anything about him beyond his being an ADC to her uncle? I read somewhere that he died of diphtheria. They had been married for less than three months.

Ann

Alexander Vasilievich Korochentsov

His military service record (in Russian) can be found here:
http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons.html?id=5216&PHPSESSID=08254ccd6ada73daf82e7aab4e6226d6

He was a cornet in the Life-Guard Horse Grenadiers.

The only photo I have seen of him is from the famous costume ball of 1903:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1903_ball_-_Alexandr_Vas._Korochentsov.jpeg

He as born in 1877, so he was 44 when he married Pr. Tatiana, and she was 31.

They were married in Geneva on Nov. 9, 1921, and he died in Lausanne on Feb. 6, 1922, from heart complications caused by the diphtheria.


On learning of his death, Dowager Queen Olga of Greece, Tatiana's aunt, wrote:
http://www.ippo.ru/osnovateli-i-podvizhniki-ippo/dinastiya-romanovyh-i-pravoslavie--4.html

"...She [Tatiana] knew Alexander Vasilievich for more than twenty years. He was my brother Dmitry's best friend. He was like a member of our family. Having lost so many very close and dear ones -- her father, her uncle (who had taken his place), her husband, her brothers, her homeland, she became attached with all her heart to Alexander Vasilievich, who untiringly took care of her and her children. They were married, and they enjoyed a rare happiness for only three months..."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 22, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
Inok Nikolai

Many thanks.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 23, 2013, 11:41:41 AM
I ok Nikolai

Since I can't read Russian, could you do a summary of Alexander Korochenzov's service record?

Many thanks

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 26, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Inok Nikolai

Since I can't read Russian, could you do a summary of Alexander Korochenzov's service record?

Many thanks

Ann

Voila!


http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons.html?id=5216&PHPSESSID=08254ccd6ada73daf82e7aab4e6226d6

Korochentsov, Alexander Vasilievich
Born: August 17, 1887
Died: February 6, 1922 (N.S.)

Orthodox Christian. Of the gentry from the Don Cossack Host region. Son of retired Lieut.-General Vasily, Petrovich Korochenstov, former commander of the Life-Guard Cossack Regiment. Brother of Colonel Alexis Vasilievich Korochentsov.

He received his education at the Corps of Pages (1890-98; among the top students ).

He began his military service on September 1, 1896. He graduated from the Corps in 1898 with the rank of Cornet of the Life-Guard Horse-Grenadiers. Promoted to Lieutenant in 1902. Assigned to Grand Duke Dmitry Constantinovich in 1904, and to Grand Duke Constantine Constantinovich in 1906.

Promoted to Staff-Captain in 1906.

Head of Grand Duke Constantine Constantinovich's court (1907-1911).

In charge of Grand Duke Dmitry Constantinovich's affairs (1911-1917).

Promoted to Colonel in 1915.

At the beginning of 1917 — while in the same rank and fulfilling the same duties — he simultaneously served as aide-de-camp of the Grand Duke and remained enrolled in the Life-Guard Horse-Grenadiers Regiment.

After the Revolution, lived as an émigré. On November 9, 1921, he married Princess Tatiana Constantinovna (née, Romanova). He died suddenly in Lausanne (Switzerland).

Decorations:
Order of St. Stanislaus, second-class (1908); Order of St. Vladimir, fourth-class (1912).

Foreign Decorations:
The Order of the Griffin of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1902); Ordre du Nichan el Anouar, of France (1903); Order of Magnanimous Bukhara, and the Golden Star of Bukhara (1904); the Greek Knights Cross of the Saviour (1909).

Badges:
Commemorating the 250th Anniversary of the Horse-Grenadiers Regiment; the 75th Anniversary Of Grand Duke Michael Nicholaevich as Colonel-in-Chief; the Tricentenary of the Romanov Dynasty, the Jubilee of the Corps of Pages.

Medals:
Commemorating the 100th Anniversary of the War of 1812; the Tricentenary of the Romanov Dynasty.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 26, 2013, 04:49:13 PM
Does anyone know how Natalia and Sir Charles Johnston met?

Ann

I am not sure how exactly,but I know that during the war Princess Natalia worked as a secretary for the Yugoslav embassy in London while her husband worked as a diplomat for the British embassy...that might be the connection!


Bear in mind that Sir Johnson was serving as Second Secretary at the British Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, from 1942-1945, and they were married in 1944.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on December 26, 2013, 05:17:38 PM
Quote

There was also a Russian Institute for girls in Bela Crkva,which was working until it was finally closed in 1941...The Girls Board School was called Mariin Don( Мариинский донской институт - still written today in Russian ),after the Institute Empress Maria Alexandrovna opened in 1853.The Institute was managed by Natalia Vladimirovna Duhonina,a widow of general Duhonin.From 1930,the Institute was under patronage of Queen Maria of Yugoslavia.Besides Russian girls,children from upper class Serbian families and as well as children of families that were once subjects of the Russian crown for generations were educated here.Princess Natalia Bagration also attended that Institute!

According to the testimonies of their school friends,Prince Teimuraz and Princess Natalia Bagration-Moukhransky had no privileges in their schools.They were very humble and took part in all activities and games with their school friends...

I don't know whether this has been posted here already.

This is a Russian site on the Marinsky Institute in Serbia.

http://duchesselisa.livejournal.com/172447.html

The sixth photo down features Pr. Natalia Constantinovna Bagration-Moukhransky (eleventh from the right).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 27, 2013, 03:42:54 AM
Inok Nikolai

Many thanks for all this interesting information. By chance, I have just found Natalya Konstantinovna and Charles Johnson in the memoirs of Dame Felicity Peake, first Director of the Women's Royal Air Force. she got to know them when stationed in Cairo in 1946.

'The British Ambassador, Lord Killearn, and his wife were very kind to me during my time in Cairo, as were Charles Johnson, the First Secretary, and his wife Natasha, who was a cousin of Princess Marina and had the same great charm and sense of humour; everybody loved her. In their household they had a wonderful Sudanese servant called Mo, who knew everyone and went with them when they were posted to Cairo.... One cannot think of the Johnsons without thinking of Mo; he was so much a part of their lives and dearly loved by all their friends.'

Ann
Title: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: Mary Breheny on February 17, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
I have just read about the actor Sebastian Acelus, who protrays the character Lucas in the Netflix series "House of Cards."  The article states that his maternal grandmother was Catherine Ioannovna who was the last royal princess born before the revolution.  His grandmother was the daughter of Ioann and the granddaughter of KR.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: grandduchessella on February 17, 2014, 08:40:35 PM
First--I *love* House of Cards--anyone who gets Netflix should definitely watch. :)

Secondly, yes, Sebastian is a descendant:

KR--Ioann--Catherine--Fiametta--Sebastian

He was present at the 1998 reburial of the Imperial Family. His grandmother, Catherine, was born in 1915 and only died in 2007. She was the last remaining Romanov who was born before the Revolution and her death marked the end of the male line of the Constantinovichi.
Title: Re: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: amelia on February 17, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
I remember when she died in Cap Ferrat, France

Eva
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on June 20, 2014, 07:39:25 AM
"Your Holiness, dear lord, As you may be aware of the newspapers, all of our family expelled from Petrograd; inevitably have to obey the requirements of "the powers that be." In next Tuesday my brother and his wife Helena Petrovna, Constantine and I will forced to leave their homes under the fatherly in distant places, should be in Vyatka. We do not know what to go. We were only allowed to choose between Perm and Vyatka, and after much hesitation, stopped at last, good it is less populated and closer to Petrograd. The rest of our allowed to settle in the vicinity of Vologda. Knowing your kindness to our family and remembering your heart involved in heavy grief that had befallen us in Vilna, all my brothers and I humbly ask the blessing of Your Holiness and hope you will not refuse a humble request to pray for us before we are deeply honored by Moscow shrines. Your Holiness pilgrim heart and soul loves and respects you, Igor. " Prince Igor Konstantinovich imperial blood - Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Tikhon, 16/29 March 1918, Petrograd.

I've never read his words before.
Title: Re: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: matushka on June 20, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
yes, Sebastian is a descendant:

KR--Ioann--Catherine--Fiametta--Sebastian

He was present at the 1998 reburial of the Imperial Family. His grandmother, Catherine, was born in 1915 and only died in 2007. She was the last remaining Romanov who was born before the Revolution and her death marked the end of the male line of the Constantinovichi.

So this Sebastian is the only descendant of KR?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on June 20, 2014, 03:51:38 PM
"Your Holiness, dear lord, As you may be aware of the newspapers, all of our family expelled from Petrograd; inevitably have to obey the requirements of "the powers that be." In next Tuesday my brother and his wife Helena Petrovna, Constantine and I will forced to leave their homes under the fatherly in distant places, should be in Vyatka. We do not know what to go. We were only allowed to choose between Perm and Vyatka, and after much hesitation, stopped at last, good it is less populated and closer to Petrograd. The rest of our allowed to settle in the vicinity of Vologda. Knowing your kindness to our family and remembering your heart involved in heavy grief that had befallen us in Vilna, all my brothers and I humbly ask the blessing of Your Holiness and hope you will not refuse a humble request to pray for us before we are deeply honored by Moscow shrines. Your Holiness pilgrim heart and soul loves and respects you, Igor. " Prince Igor Konstantinovich imperial blood - Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Tikhon, 16/29 March 1918, Petrograd.

I've never read his words before.

Very interesting. What is the source?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on June 21, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
http://vk.com/the_house_of_romanov picked it up from that site. Some of the words on there from Vera K. come from Gavrill's book "Memories in the Marble palace" but I don't know about these ones by Igor.
Title: The Life and Times of Igor Konstantinovich
Post by: Beautiful_Anastasia on June 29, 2014, 07:36:00 AM
Hi All,
I've been off this forum for a couple of years, but the thirst for knowledge has brought me back! I have been surprised by how difficult I have found it to find genuine, documented accounts of the life, character and personality of GD Igor Konstantinovich. All the information about him seems to be pertaining to his death, health complaints (pleurisy, etc) or service in WWI. If anyone could help me with this it would be greatly appreciated!
Emily
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on June 29, 2014, 06:30:38 PM
this is my favorite branch of the family but like you said, little is to be found on Igor in his siblings. I do know that he was the most of outgoing of his siblings and spoke too loudly often. He was present when Oleg died. Six months after his brother Oleg was dead he and Gavrill and Konstantin went to visit his grave on Ostashevo where the family wintered. Because of his illness he was not aloud to return to the front after recovering from pneumonia but went to the emperor because he didn't know what to do if he couldn't go back to the war and hoped to be an aide to the emperor. He was good at turning conversations and was able the get the tsar the make him one. At the front he spent time with Alexei the heir on the bank of the the Dnieper playing games. There are photos of these such days. Once while playing tennis at the Head Quarters he dislocated his foot and was kept in bed.

It's not much information and I'm always looking for more as well. I sometimes find interesting sites by searching his name in Russian.
Title: Re: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: Marc on June 29, 2014, 08:10:24 PM
yes, Sebastian is a descendant:

KR--Ioann--Catherine--Fiametta--Sebastian

He was present at the 1998 reburial of the Imperial Family. His grandmother, Catherine, was born in 1915 and only died in 2007. She was the last remaining Romanov who was born before the Revolution and her death marked the end of the male line of the Constantinovichi.

So this Sebastian is the only descendant of KR?

No,there are many more :-)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: matushka on June 30, 2014, 06:22:41 AM
Really, Marc? That's interesting. Could you tell me more? Are they all grand-childrens of Ekaterina Ioannovna? As far as I understand noone of the Konstantinovitchi let any descendance?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Beautiful_Anastasia on July 01, 2014, 05:39:56 AM
Thank you, Duchess Hydrangea! I followed your excellent advice and found 2 great sites, one which had information on Igor Konstantinovich, and one that listed accounts and info on the life and death of his brother Oleg, including a poem that he had written. Would anyone like me to post the links?
Title: Re: Great Great Grandson of KR - Actor on "House of Cards"
Post by: Beautiful_Anastasia on July 01, 2014, 05:42:08 AM
yes, Sebastian is a descendant:

KR--Ioann--Catherine--Fiametta--Sebastian

He was present at the 1998 reburial of the Imperial Family. His grandmother, Catherine, was born in 1915 and only died in 2007. She was the last remaining Romanov who was born before the Revolution and her death marked the end of the male line of the Constantinovichi.

So this Sebastian is the only descendant of KR?

This is the Wikipedia page for Sebastian Arcelus. He is the son of Fiametta, who was the daughter of Ekaterina Ioannovna, GD Ioann Konstantinovich's youngest child ;)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Arcelus

Emily
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on July 02, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Really, Marc? That's interesting. Could you tell me more? Are they all grand-childrens of Ekaterina Ioannovna? As far as I understand noone of the Konstantinovitchi let any descendance?

No,that's not true...there are a lot of them living today!

Grandchildren and great-grandchildren of Princess Ekaterina Ioannovna...The youngest ones are:


Don Tancredi dei Marchesi Farace,born in 2010

Matias Arcelus Renner,born in 2006

Santiago Castro Grundland,born in 2006

and

Federico Grundland Pita,born in 2005


Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Beautiful_Anastasia on July 05, 2014, 06:49:24 AM
Ok lol I'll post them anyway, just in case anyone wants to look at them in the future.

http://ostashevo.cerkov.ru/romanovy/igor-konstantinovich-romanov/ (http://ostashevo.cerkov.ru/romanovy/igor-konstantinovich-romanov/) - This is a site about Ostashevo Church, where GD Oleg Konstantinovich is buried, but it has a long and detailed page dedicated to Igor.

http://zapadrus.su/2012-04-11-14-59-43/2013/400-let-dinastii-romanovykh/757-knyaz-imperatorskoj-krovi-oleg-konstantinovich-romanov.html (http://zapadrus.su/2012-04-11-14-59-43/2013/400-let-dinastii-romanovykh/757-knyaz-imperatorskoj-krovi-oleg-konstantinovich-romanov.html) - A very long and detailed page about the life and death of GD Oleg Konstantinovich

http://pravprihod.ru/includes/periodics/all_news/2013/0426/000020589/detail.shtml (http://pravprihod.ru/includes/periodics/all_news/2013/0426/000020589/detail.shtml) - Another page for Oleg, which gives a very detailed account of his death, and includes the post-mortem picture of him.

Konstantinovichi fans, enjoy!
Emily
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Beautiful_Anastasia on July 07, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
It's quite an obscure subject, but does anyone know if any of the Konstantinovichi Grand Dukes (sons of KR), when fighting in WWI actually killed anyone?
Emily
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 06, 2014, 06:56:58 AM
Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her daughter Tatiana ridiking bicycles. Any idea who the lady in the front is?

(http://cs619231.vk.me/v619231079/17252/UeH39C63JTA.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on September 06, 2014, 07:17:56 AM
Elizaveta Mavrikievna and her daughter Tatiana ridiking bicycles. Any idea who the lady in the front is?

(http://cs619231.vk.me/v619231079/17252/UeH39C63JTA.jpg)

Elizaveta's sister Marianne, Furstin von Schaumburg-Lippe.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 31, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
(http://www.krimoved-library.ru/images/rik/1-21.jpg)

From here http://www.krimoved-library.ru/books/romanovy-i-krym3.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Maria Sisi on January 09, 2015, 08:21:27 PM
Prince Igor

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/cc37157850b82813fd9740ef2ba4724b/tumblr_ng5unuzCAu1rh07xwo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on January 10, 2015, 02:19:12 AM
I wonder who the civilian is with him, and what the apparatus is.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 10, 2015, 12:18:43 PM
I wonder who the civilian is with him, and what the apparatus is.

Ann

Doesn't it seem that he is a sculptor working on a model of a proposed statue of Pr. Igor?
And that Pr. Igor is sitting for him?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2015, 03:56:49 AM
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/romanovtoday/36259740/288520/288520_600.jpg)

"Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna Bagration-Mukhranskaya with daughter Natalia and son Teimuraz in Russian Cadet Corpus in Yugoslavia."

Source http://romanovtoday.livejournal.com/69434.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2015, 03:59:35 AM
Can somebody identify KR´s sons in this photo?

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5905/hor-j.53/0_4922c_7b57804_XL)

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/lan_ka_k/post256586804
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 11, 2015, 04:36:53 AM
Can somebody identify KR´s sons in this photo?



First row, from left to right; Igor,Oleg,Konstantin,Gavriil.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on January 11, 2015, 06:30:16 AM
This looks like a ceremonial parade at the Corps de Pages.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 13, 2015, 12:56:58 PM
Thank you Svetabel for the identification! Perhaps you might help me once more? I suppose the children are Gavril, Tatiana, but I am not sure about the little one. Konstantin or Oleg? Or somebody else altogether?

(http://nd06.jxs.cz/849/539/5d48b00313_100105877_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 13, 2015, 01:04:26 PM
KR and his cousin Alexei Alexandrovich (at least I think it´s KR)

(http://nd06.jxs.cz/692/067/0c23d5cb9b_100105923_o2.png)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 14, 2015, 12:44:22 AM
KR and his cousin Alexei Alexandrovich (at least I think it´s KR)



Absolutely right - KR.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on January 14, 2015, 12:52:05 AM
Thank you Svetabel for the identification! Perhaps you might help me once more? I suppose the children are Gavril, Tatiana, but I am not sure about the little one. Konstantin or Oleg? Or somebody else altogether?



That's Oleg. Others are tutors.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 14, 2015, 11:19:34 AM
I wonder who the civilian is with him, and what the apparatus is.

Ann

Doesn't it seem that he is a sculptor working on a model of a proposed statue of Pr. Igor?
And that Pr. Igor is sitting for him?

I would say that's most definitely the circumstance of that photo.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 25, 2015, 04:16:05 AM
(http://cs624416.vk.me/v624416989/174a6/dTmCeWPdcx8.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 01, 2015, 02:28:36 AM
Группа офицеров лейб-гвардии Измайловского полка и петербургских артисток в театральных костюмах любительского спектакля "Измайловские досуги". Среди группы - великий князь Константин Константинович. Фотограф К. А. Фишер

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9833/51667439.449/0_ed3a7_5a2f6d02_orig)

http://babs71.livejournal.com/729220.html
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on February 01, 2015, 05:04:50 AM
Группа офицеров лейб-гвардии Измайловского полка и петербургских артисток в театральных костюмах любительского спектакля "Измайловские досуги". Среди группы - великий князь Константин Константинович. Фотограф К. А. Фишер



Please always give an English version of the description as the main language here is English.Thank you.

The officers of Izmailovskiy Regiment and GD Konstantin K. among them, with actresesses of StPetersburg theaters. One of amateur plays of "Izmailovskie Dosugi"
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 02, 2015, 09:39:50 AM
Of course, I am sorry :o)

Wrongly labeled as "Grand Duke" in the description - Prince Gavril in 1943

(http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/uaR54UzMNHienANoPxXewtGOb7DiwX2rmvbEA2WRzOs/mtime:1422553201/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/a/c/2365049/3adf02d09633dc3275b9027c1450e5e8.jpg)

Courtesy of Royal Collection Trust
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 02, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Now this is an interesting picture!

Grand Duke Konstantin with his elder brother, the infamous Nicholas Konstantinovich and an unidentified lady

(http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/tjQVD4Yv-fyapFMUPyiYY3_ACE81CLP19xr7rFR8t5A/mtime:1422554369/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/3/2/2365179/6b3c2c1f0b2af70297cecf202bd22df1.jpg)

I did not know the brothers met after Nicholas was exiled!

The image belongs to the Royal COllection Trust.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
Now this is an interesting picture!

Grand Duke Konstantin with his elder brother, the infamous Nicholas Konstantinovich and an unidentified lady


I did not know the brothers met after Nicholas was exiled!

The image belongs to the Royal COllection Trust.

They did met several times  after Nicholas' exile. The woman looks like Nadezhda Dreyer, morganatic wife of Nicholas.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: amelia on February 02, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
Yes they did meet several times in Tashkent and the lady is Nadezda von Dryer his only lawful wife. As you know I worte a book FANNY LEAR LOVE AND SCANDAL IN TSARIST RUSSIA, about GD Nicholas K and Fanny Lear. This is fantastic and I am so glad you posted this photographs, it means a lot for me, I researched so much about his life and I went to Uzbekistan to see his palace. What intrigues me is where was it taken, probably in his palace in Tashkent. Thanks a lot for posting this. If you ever find more photographs of him in exile I would love to see them.

Amelia
(Eva McDonald)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 06, 2015, 02:57:16 AM
Amelia, I must admit this is the first time I am hearing about your book, but it definitely sounds interesting! I am very much interested in Konstantinovichi branch of the Romanov family, so I will note the title down and hopefully will come across it sometime in the future!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 06, 2015, 04:54:33 AM
Amelia

Did you manage to find out very much about Nadezhda's antecendents? I ask because I had a great friend (now dead) named Christopher Dreyer, one of a famous Royal Navy family descended from a Danish astronomer who settled in Britain in the 1870s. Was Nadezhda's family originally Danish?

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: amelia on February 06, 2015, 05:29:15 AM
Ann,
I did not find out much about Nadezda, except that she was from Orenburg. She could have been a descendt from Danish - as per her name. Catherine the Great brough Germans/Europeans to populate that area, as did GD Nicholas K (the angry steps). So it is very possible that she could have been Danish.

Amelia
(Eva McDonald)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: amelia on February 06, 2015, 05:30:55 AM
Ally,

My book was published in 2012. It contains the translation of Fanny Lear's memoirs. Also, my husband and I went to Uzbekistan and found out veyr interestingi  information about the GD in exile.


Amelia
(Eva McDonald)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Превед on February 06, 2015, 07:23:34 AM
Ann,
I did not find out much about Nadezda, except that she was from Orenburg. She could have been a descendt from Danish - as per her name. Catherine the Great brough Germans/Europeans to populate that area, as did GD Nicholas K (the angry steps). So it is very possible that she could have been Danish.

Amelia
(Eva McDonald)

Nadezhda Dreyer's father, Chief of Police in Orenburg, was called Alexander Gustavovich (von) Dreyer and her mother Sophia Ivanovna Opanovskaya, according to the Russian Wikipedia. From this database of foreigners in pre-Revolutionary Russia (http://dokumente.ios-regensburg.de/amburger/index.php?id=3371&mode=1) we see that her father was a Baltic German. This (http://dokumente.ios-regensburg.de/amburger/index.php?id=3366&mode=1/) is her grandfather Gustav von Dreyer, apparantly an auditor and estate owner in the Narva area.

The name of the estate, Slepow Koniec, seems elusive, though. It's probably not in Estonia, as it doesn't sound like (Germanized or Russified) Estonian at all. In Russian Слепов конец means something like End of the Blind.

BTW Dreyer is a not uncommon name in both Scandinavia and in Low German-speaking areas and means "turner".
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Превед on February 06, 2015, 08:30:53 AM
The name of the estate, Slepow Koniec, seems elusive, though. It's probably not in Estonia, as it doesn't sound like (Germanized or Russified) Estonian at all. In Russian Слепов конец means something like End of the Blind.

It's in the St. Petersburg Governate. The family name is sometimes spelled Dreher (High German form of Low German Dreyer).
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Превед on February 06, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
The name of the estate, Slepow Koniec, seems elusive, though. It's probably not in Estonia, as it doesn't sound like (Germanized or Russified) Estonian at all. In Russian Слепов конец means something like End of the Blind.

It's in the St. Petersburg Governate.

Other spellings are Slepov-Konez.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 07, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
I am putting only a link in case anyone is sensitive when it comes to these images: Post mortem photo of Princess Natalia Konstantinovna (http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/ZDq_ZbhfmnTgEi2wiVgVALEkQAMyfIB3ZcyMuVEli1A/mtime:1423317800/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/0/a/512787-1422980090.jpg), the second-to-last child of KR and Elizaveta Mavrikievna, who died at only 2 months of age in 1905

Courtesy of Royal Collection Trust (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2938315/princess-natalia-constantinovna-1905-1905)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 08, 2015, 02:18:26 AM
Thanks for the info about the Dreyer's. Christopher Dreyer's family were quite prominent in Denmark, as the astronomer's father commanded the Danish army in the 1864 war. Christopher was in touch with a cousin who was a lady-in-waiting to Queen Ingrid.

Ann
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Превед on February 09, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
The name of the estate, Slepow Koniec, seems elusive, though. It's probably not in Estonia, as it doesn't sound like (Germanized or Russified) Estonian at all. In Russian Слепов конец means something like End of the Blind.

It's in the St. Petersburg Governate.

Other spellings are Slepov-Konez.

Anyone who has any idea where this place might be? I got curious, but couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 01, 2015, 02:08:50 AM
Princess Elena Petrovna as a little girl (in white) with her family

(http://i060.radikal.ru/1203/c7/7dd3e2e80311.jpg)

Source http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/5132602/post256396959
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on April 26, 2015, 07:57:33 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/e9/6d/7ae96d4d520f2789de5c3928d02d4e32.jpg Igor K. looks like he played the mandolin.
Igor in a video: https://31.media.tumblr.com/fbf5a7ff9767a54a46497da1ec05ac48/tumblr_mo6r98zBgx1qbioujo1_500.gif
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on April 26, 2015, 08:33:01 AM
Oleg and Igor in civilian clothes: http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2365075/prince-oleg-constantinovich-and-prince-igor-constantinovich
courtesy Royal Collection Trust

Vera, her mother and brothers:  http://cs624530.vk.me/v624530110/184bf/umqUQ73wjBs.jpg
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on April 26, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/e9/6d/7ae96d4d520f2789de5c3928d02d4e32.jpg Igor K. looks like he played the mandolin.


He plays balalaika.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on April 26, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
ah, alright. Thanks for the information. Did you just recognize the instrument correctly or can I read this information somewhere? I find it hard to get information on KR's children.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Svetabel on April 27, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
ah, alright. Thanks for the information. Did you just recognize the instrument correctly or can I read this information somewhere? I find it hard to get information on KR's children.

Some info on Prince Igor's hobbies one can find in the correspondence of his relatives - father, mother, siblings - recently published in Russian. Right now I don't remember exactly anything on his hobbies...In that photo he plays balalaika - I recognize by the fingerboard.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on April 27, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
Okay. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on May 14, 2015, 08:56:27 AM
Can someone tell me where and when this photo of Tatiana and her husband takes places? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/47/d9/1c/47d91c517e1274fc661d626951bf5301.jpg

http://teatimeatwinterpalace.tumblr.com/post/109967430447/touching-pictures-of-princess-tatiana
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on May 15, 2015, 04:39:54 AM
The photos are from 1911--depending on when exactly, they were either engaged or married. They married in Sept 1911 so it's probably before marriage. I don't know where the photos were taken though. They are a series of photos on one sheet donated to the British archives in 2009.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Duchess Hydrangea on May 15, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
Thanks for that. I was guessing it was around engagement time.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Превед on May 30, 2015, 07:00:32 AM
The name of the estate, Slepow Koniec, seems elusive, though. It's probably not in Estonia, as it doesn't sound like (Germanized or Russified) Estonian at all. In Russian Слепов конец means something like End of the Blind.

It's in the St. Petersburg Governate.

Other spellings are Slepov-Konez.

Anyone who has any idea where this place might be? I got curious, but couldn't find it.

OK, so one the Russian Wikipedia definitions of конец is:
устаревшая единица территориального деления населённого пункта, охватывающая одну или несколько улиц (ремесленный конец, рыбацкий конец). Как правило, такое деление возникало в небольших посёлках и городках и позже становилось тем или иным районом.
=
an old unit of territorial division of settlements, covering one or more streets (craftsmen's end, fishermen's end). As a rule, such a division arise in small villages and towns, and later became one way or another a district.

So a division of a village or small town called "Blind End", meaning it was inhabited by blind people or was a dead end would seem possible.

There are two villages in Leningradskaya Oblast called simply Конец today, both situated southeast and east of Lake Ladoga, but it doesnt look like it's any of them.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 03, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
FYI

In Part I of this topic (2004), mention is made of V. Motsardo's book on Grand Duke Constantine (KR), where it was stated that it is out of print.

Recently I came across Motsardo's Russian-language film on KR, on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfAsweTGQY
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on July 06, 2015, 07:32:47 AM
Tatiana Konstantinovna, her nephew Vselovod, Prince Vladimir Kyrilovich and Grand Duke Dmitri Konstantinovich at the occassion of Kyra Kyrilovna´s marriage

(http://cs1873.vk.me/u2363458/94485571/x_63142d13.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 12, 2015, 04:53:46 PM
Princess Irene Bagration has reposed.

She was married to KR's grandson, Pr. Teimuraz Bagration.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1468725/princess-irina-bagration-19262015/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Mark_Chicago on July 23, 2015, 07:14:36 PM
Is the woman next to Princess Tatiana her sister, Princess Vera?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Marc on July 28, 2015, 11:18:37 AM

After this tragedy,Teimuraz moved to the United States in 1949,where he married for the second time in New York Countess Irina Sergeevna Tchernyshev-Bezobrazov.He also died there(NY) in 1992,while his wife(born in 1926) should still be alive...If I am wrong correct me,please!


She passed away on 9th of July 2015. From 1986 she was the President of Tolstoy Foundation in New York...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 22, 2015, 11:55:15 AM
A wonderful photo of Konstantin with his youngest son George

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ff/4e/cf/ff4ecff33a597b48a23b45c633adf8f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on October 03, 2015, 05:55:21 AM
A monument in honour of Oleg Konstantinovich has been recently erected

(http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/1830.jpg)

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1470825/monument-to-prince-oleg-konstantinovich-unveiled-at-tsarskoye-selo/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 30, 2016, 01:56:57 AM
Prince Oleg

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/8e86af0c2d26b13227a162bdc202fde5/tumblr_o1mkp1SFZH1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)

Courtesy of Royal Collection Trust
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: miki_nastya on February 14, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
I know Oleg  died because of the wounds.But what kind of wounds? And abut Igor..on wikipedia says that " His body was eventually buried in the Russian Orthodox Church cemetery in Beijing which was destroyed years later to build a park."...were is he buried now?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
Elizaveta Mavrikievna

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/28112/v_DdFv_a5e4.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/28109/NvGYQ7y5uYA.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/28100/jP5WyvdJYsc.jpg)

Found on https://vk.com/representatives_of_the_romanov
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:27:59 PM
(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/280f7/333lMIhLwtU.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/280ee/OjTVSwgU_lU.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/280e5/mo9dE-plGrg.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/280d3/JtCqq6KzTuw.jpg)

Same source as above
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 25, 2016, 01:12:52 PM
Georgiy and Vera

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/c251db5782a1fc92e3340c3dfb4ea868/tumblr_o67ai6I8n31rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on July 18, 2016, 05:05:16 AM
(http://histrf.ru/uploads/media/default/0001/23/5fbff881fd681dfac767c2dfe744db18764cb13c.png)

http://histrf.ru/lyuboznatelnim/cadet-history-museum/cadet-history-1701-1917
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 24, 2016, 10:50:17 AM
I have recently started my Masters and one of the classes is about Russian history. One of the requirements of the class is to write a paper on an interesting persona and I immediatelly thought it would be a wonderful opportunity to write about Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich.

Can I ask for recommended literature, please? I already own "Gilded Prism", I also have a Russian book on the Konstantinovich family (but since I can read Russian slowly and need a dictionary beside me I prefer English pblication as of now) there are some diary entries published in "A Lifelong Passion" and I believe some mention of KR is included in Pavlovsk by Suzanne Massie. Can anyone point me to the right direction in finding more resources on KR himself?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 29, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
Would anyone have this photo larger?

(http://tyarlevo.ru/images/foto/kr/deti.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: Joanna on January 02, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
Several excerpts from thousands in the diary of Grand Duke Konstantin K. - Pavlovsk Palace, St. Petersburg

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/01/a-grand-dukes-life-in-pavlovsk-palace.html

Joanna
Title: Tatiana Konstantinovna Escaping Russia
Post by: tsesarevnaanna on May 05, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
So this has been bugging me for a really long time. I know there's a topic completely on the Konstantinovichi but I felt this was specific enough to warrant a new topic.
I've heard different accounts on what happened to Tatiana Konstantinovna and her children. For example in most accounts (such as wikipedia and other websites that I'll need to track down again) it says that Tatiana Konstantinovna escaped Russia with her uncle's aide-de-camp and her young children. It says that she remarried and then that she reunited wit her mother, brother, sister, and children. I'm unsure what to think since it seems they left Russia together but somehow separated, and it seems unlikely she would separate with her young children. I'm also confused how she escaped as her sister and mother traveled to Sweden by offer of Victoria of Sweden. And yet the source only mentions Tatiana's children and not Tatiana K herself. I read somewhere Tatiana K fled to Rumania and then Switzerland, but I'm unsure of that as it still wouldn't explain her separating from her children or why she wouldn't go with her mother, sister, brother, and apparently her two children. I've also read Teymuraz, Tatiana's son, fleeign to Switzerland and then Yugoslavia, which makes little sense as to how then he escaped via Sweden and why Tatiana K is not reported to have gone to Yugoslavia. There is no report I've found of Natalia, save pictures of her and her mother with Mavra in 1921, what looks to be a little after (around 1927), and a picture of her, Teymuraz, and Tatiana K in 1930. This all makes it more confusing.
     Since I've heard multiple variations I wanted to ask if anyone knew where she went after fleeing Russia (her being Tatiana Konstantinovna) before being with her mother, sister, and brother in Brussels in 1921 (that much is evident since there's photographic evidence), and whether or not she separated with her children.
Title: Re: Tatiana Konstantinovna Escaping Russia
Post by: Forum Admin on May 05, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
According to a Russian Orthodox site devoted to members of the Imperial Family and their relationships to the Church:
Aide-de-camp Alexander Korochenzov serving to the Grand Duke Dmitri Konstantinovich, helped Tatiana and her young children to escape from Russia. They were fortunate enough to flee to Switzerland. Tatiana decided to marry Alexander Korochenzov, who saved her and her children’s life in fact.

   In October 1921, they married in Geneva. Not quite three months later, however, Tatiana became a widow for the second time when Alexander died in Lausanne… Tatiana raised her children alone, and tried hard to give them good education granting independence.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
Post by: tsesarevnaanna on May 31, 2018, 06:02:21 PM
Thank you for answering my question!