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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in St. Petersburg => Topic started by: Dimitri on April 22, 2004, 10:31:16 AM

Title: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Dimitri on April 22, 2004, 10:31:16 AM
Does anyone have any information on the Strelna Palace, owned by Grand Duke Konstantin konstantinovich? In `Imperial palaces of Russia` it says that the building is derelict and facing ruin. Is there any pictures of this once magnificent palace? :-/
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 22, 2004, 12:12:12 PM
Dimitri,
The entire Strelna palace and park complex has recently been restored as a summer residence for President Putin. They built a lot of new  auxiliary buildings nearby. A russian historian told me the restoration was too quick and not very acurate. The ground floor apartments were redone and do not ressemble at all their former decoration.  
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Dimitri on April 23, 2004, 01:05:14 PM
Don't you think it is really unjust how the Russian Government is privatising the Russian palaces as it claims it does not have enough money, but can still find money to do all the renovation on this palace simply because it is for the president?
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: JM on April 23, 2004, 03:36:51 PM
It's sad but it seems the only way some palaces can survive is if they become useful (sort of like the monarchy ;)). It would be nice to have the palace properly restored but that would mean even more money and time. Besides, it's only for a president ;)!
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Dimitri on April 23, 2004, 04:48:44 PM
I know what you mean. It is better to have a palace then no palace at all even though it has not been restored propaly.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Charles on April 24, 2004, 07:07:59 AM
There is an excellent little book by V.V. Gerasimov "The Large Palace at Strelna", published in 1997 as a part of a series by Almaz Publishing in St. Petersburg, which included books on the palaces of Grand Dukes Aleksei, Vladimir, and Pavel Aleksandrovichi, the Oldenburgs, Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (Sr.), and others.  Try and get your hands on a copy of this (or any other book in this series), it includes plans and pictures of the palace.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: AkshayChavan on April 24, 2004, 10:08:16 AM
I saw the photos of the newly restored strelna palace and was horrified . They have simply vandalised it. As someone rightly remarked it looked more like Las vegas Casino. It is really sad.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: BobAtchison on April 24, 2004, 11:39:02 AM
Let us hope theat the Alexander Palace does not fall to the same fate.  Believe it or not there was some talk about making it a summer residence for the President 10 years ago.

We have have to very very vigilant regarding the AP, Livadia, etc...  When they get around to restoring it it must be done right and that's something we all as a group can be advocates for.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Dimitri on April 24, 2004, 12:11:52 PM
Does anyone know if there was any opposition to the restoration?
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: londo954 on April 26, 2004, 01:37:37 AM
www.enlight.ru/camera/
Has some interesting pics of the new Palace comparing its old condition to the present resored one. The exterior seems to be faithful including imperial crests but the interior reads more like a show peice for Putin.

I agree the restoration of the residences of the Tsars should be as faithful as possible. But what is teh price to save the building. Looking at the condition of teh Strelna Palace prior to the recent restoration one wonders whether marginally faithful resoration is better than total decay.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Joanna on September 28, 2004, 07:54:12 AM
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As for the last interior view, itīs not from Strelna, itīs the corner study of Tsar Alexander III at the Anichkov Palace.


Hi Antonio,

Do you think that is a framed photograph of Pobedonostev on Alexander III's table in the lower right?

Many thanks
Joanna
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Gavin.O on August 26, 2005, 12:35:45 PM
Does anyone know where to find this book by V.V. Gerasimov "The Large Palace at Strelna"? I have searched for days and cannot find it for sale anywhere.

I would be very interested to see the plans for this palace. If the book is no longer available,  can someone post the plans for the palace. I'm sure many would enjoy seeing them.

Thanks.

--Gavin.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: hikaru on December 28, 2005, 04:01:05 AM
I want to give an information how could arrange the excursion to the Konstantin Palace:
There are two types of excursions :
1. Historical Rooms
2. Newly made VIP/Putin rooms

It is necessary to write a letter to the Head of the Excursion Department, to fix the time, to come , to pay , and to hear the guide.
The price is 3000 roubles for the tour plus ticket price for everybody (one ticket-250 roubles)
I went  there 2 weeks ago.
I liked there. But , of course, it is completely new made palace.
There is also one more attraction - Vine Cellar where everybody could  try the test of Tokai Vines.
Why Tokai? Because of the memory of the Peter the Great , who liked Tokai wine a lot.
Who cellar in the Palace? Because Palace was used
as wine cellar before the Revolution.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Gavin.O on December 28, 2005, 10:27:30 AM
Wow! I am simply left speechless by these floorplans, and I want to thank you very much for posting them. I will now have to spend a ridiculous amount of time looking at them :)

--Gavin.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on December 31, 2005, 05:08:15 AM
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Wow! I am simply left speechless by these floorplans, and I want to thank you very much for posting them. I will now have to spend a ridiculous amount of time looking at them :)

--Gavin.



trust me, i know exactly what you mean....


i collect floorplans (have been since i was like 10 years old), and i spend a good portion of my life studying floorplans for the mansions, castles, palaces etc that i've managed to acquire....i suppose the other half of my life is spent looking at the all the photographs, digital images etc, i've been lucky enough to come by over the years (many of them i've posted here on this site :-)

so,
like i said......

i know EXACTLY where you're coming from!
(i'm glad you like them, btw...  they're even better big.   but i had to shrink them down to post them here.)
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Tsarfan on December 31, 2005, 05:43:51 AM
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trust me, i know exactly what you mean....



Now I'm wondering how many floorplan junkies there are among us in this forum.

Like you two, I have been fascinated all my life by the buildings associated with historical figures and events.  As a child, I even once wrote several of the toy airplane and car model companies to ask if they would consider manufacturing models of landmark buildings.  (No replies, despite weeks of hopeful waiting.)  Even today, I am a hobby architect, with several drafting programs on my computer with which I often amuse myself for hours on end.

While I went on to major in European history in college and grad school, my interest in history found its first legs in looking at pictures, drawings, sketches of the architectural settings in which history played out.

I first came to this forum because of the information it contained on the Alexander Palace, which I find to be one of the gems of neoclassical architecture.  Of course, I soon strayed onto all the threads about the Romanovs themselves . . . and annoyed quite a few people with my generally negative view of Nicholas and Alexandra.  I must admit, though, that some of my lack of sympathy for them arises from my view that, in managing the affairs of government so poorly, they helped bring an end to the era in which great palaces were the centers of civil and social activity.  (And it wasn't just the revolution.  Remember that the last great Winter Palace ball of the imperial era was in 1903, not 1914 or 1917.)

Now I'm wondering how many others here came to their interest in (or obsession with) the Romanovs by route of their palaces.

And, by the way . . . the Strelna floorplans really are great.  Such plans provide additional critical clues to the manner in which their occupants interwove their personal and official lives and are too often overlooked for that purpose.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: gleb on December 31, 2005, 06:00:25 AM
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trust me, i know exactly what you mean....



Me too!! :)
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: GabrielleGloria on January 20, 2006, 02:47:51 AM
The restoration didn't do it justice.  I bet Papa is rolling in his grave at the way they screwed it up.  I was born in Strelna and lived there until I was 3.  I really miss it.  I remember it so clearly it is hard not being able to be there.  I played in the palace.  Papa was worried about that because he was afraid something would fall on me or out from under me.  My Baboushka was responsible for maintaining the rooms in as good a condition as was possible (considering lack of funds, etc.) and when Mama wasn't on the stage she helped.   I probably still have family there.  My father was one of the people working on restoring it in the 60's, until my abduction when he was murdered by the Nazi sympathizers that had been hiding in Strelna since the occupation.  Gabrielle Gloria
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Arleen on January 20, 2006, 10:00:47 AM
Welcome Gabriella...sounds like you live in the right place to make a movie of your life.  May you enliven us!

Arleen
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: GabrielleGloria on January 20, 2006, 03:22:47 PM
Yeah, lol.  

I'm actually writing it right now.  And since people now days seem to love watching horror shows of  people being tortured and abused they should love the movie of my life.  Anyone who is Jewish will probably not want to see it though.  Too similar to what went on in the camps and looking at Mengele on the screen wouldn't please them, either.  On the other hand, if you are into ballet or into learning about what it was really like living in Russia in the  early to mid sixties, or learning more about what really happened to Mengele (some of the lost parts of the story), you might find it interesting.  

The pics y'all put up are really nice.  I esp. like the architectural renderings.  I, too, am an amateur architect.  I figure since Papa was an architect, I get it honestly.   ;D

Do any of you, by any chance, live in Russia or go there regularly?  Or does anyone know how to contact the local authorities at Strelna?

I've been looking online trying to find someone there with an e-mail addy but so far haven't found any that sound official.  

Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: GabrielleGloria on January 20, 2006, 03:31:51 PM
Yeah, lol.  

I'm actually writing it right now.  And since people now days seem to love watching horror shows of  people being tortured and abused they should love the movie of my life.  Anyone who is Jewish will probably not want to see it though.  Too similar to what went on in the camps and looking at Mengele on the screen wouldn't please them, either.  On the other hand, if you are into ballet or into learning about what it was really like living in Russia in the  early to mid sixties, or learning more about what really happened to Mengele (some of the lost parts of the story), you might find it interesting.  

The pics y'all put up are really nice.  I esp. like the architectural renderings.  I, too, am an amateur architect.  I figure since Papa was an architect, I get it honestly.   lol

Do any of you, by any chance, live in Russia or go there regularly?  Or does anyone know how to contact the local authorities at Strelna?

I've been looking online trying to find someone there with an e-mail addy but so far haven't found any that sound official.  

Gabby
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 05, 2006, 01:51:32 PM
On the photograph of the 1rst page ,views of the 19th century when the palace was owned by the Contantinovsky's family  it is showed that there was a canopy, had it been reconstructed during the last renovation of Putin?I can not see it on the actual views...

Thanks,
Vassili
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: GDNastya on November 21, 2006, 08:45:37 AM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r174/GDNastya/strelna.jpg)
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on December 04, 2006, 03:29:06 PM
Herewith the original plan of the palace.
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8263/strelnavr1.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strelnavr1.jpg)

To finish a view of the palace when it layed into ruins
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7610/strelnapwy0.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strelnapwy0.jpg)

Vassili
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Svetabel on May 12, 2009, 06:30:12 AM
This thread was began 5 years ago. The Palace had been restored and now is State Complex "Dvorets Kongressov", here's the site:

http://www.konstantinpalace.ru/articles/konstantinovskii_dvorec/ (http://www.konstantinpalace.ru/articles/konstantinovskii_dvorec/)
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: Constantinople on May 01, 2010, 06:49:55 AM
For anyone interested in Balls, the War and Peace Ball will be held in the Constantine Palace on May 30. 2010.  Period costumes encouraged and all monies go to charity.  There should be a few Romanoffs there and the tickets are $1000 including a formal dinner and brunch.
Title: Re: Konstantinovskiy Palace, at Strelna
Post by: richard_1990 on June 04, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
Constantine Palace seems to be taking good shape now that the gardens have matured, looks really good.

http://www.pixdaus.com/pics/1217843340gftCG4U.jpg
http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/0197/73/019773.jpg?1099317540
http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/1711/44/171144.jpg?1208167449
http://visualrian.com/images/item/674318
http://visualrian.com/images/item/674322