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Title: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on March 03, 2010, 06:23:18 AM
Sorry, if this was ever posted before, but I couldn't find any answer to my question while scrolling through these topics.
How was Olgas relationship to Maria and especially Anastasia. I've red, that Olga and Anastasia did not really get along with each other, is that true?
Thanks for helping and posting fotos if you want:)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/AnastasiaOlgabike.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2010, 07:47:48 AM
On the contrary, I think Olga and Anastasia got on quite well. Olga regularly uses Anastasia's nickname "shvybzik" in her letters and diaries to refer to her sister. Tatiana, Maria, and Aleksei do so rarely, if at all. (Anastasia's own use of "shvybzik" in her letters to her father make it clear it was a nickname she liked, btw.) I interpret that familiarity as a sign of affection between Olga and Anastasia.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: rosieposie on March 03, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
Like the letter that Anastasia wrote where she mentions Olga threatening to punch her if she didn't stop picking her nose.  Obviously it is an empty threat. They did get on well, I like that photo were Olga is reading a book and Anastasia is sitting behind her.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: abbigail on March 12, 2010, 07:40:55 PM
Though they certainly loved each other and normally got along wonderfully, and were very close, it's possible they could have been more irritable towards each other because of the relatively large age difference Just small spats and arguments because of that are possible--perhaps Anastasia appered silly or immature to Olga at times, or Olga seemed moody and not fun...very common with nearly all siblings. Maybe it was a little more pronounces between Olga and Anastasia because of the age difference. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Dust_of_History on March 13, 2010, 05:53:17 PM
I agree. Olga was the oldest and Anastasia the youngest of the girls and they both had strong characters but that doesn't mean they didn't get along with each other.They definitely had arguments but I'm sure everyone has had arguments with somebody in his/her life. They were siblings. :-)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on April 09, 2010, 01:53:03 AM
All I know is there are many photos where "shvybzik"  is hanging on to Olga, in what looks like utter comfort,  ease  and love... Anastasia even has her arm around Olga in formal photos. I believe this idea of animosity between them started when the cartoon , Anastasia, came out and to create some"  drama" , the producers  made AN into a type of misunderstood Cinderella with mean, step sisters. 

However I believe Olga did whack the  little pair when she thought they needed it!  We see Olga smack/ shove Maria away from Anastasia when those two are fussing on the steps to the  river in 1916...everyone is laughing too.... And if Anastasia is openly picking her nose, then in imo, she is indeed in danger of  receiving some " rough justice"  from Olga. The big pair took on some parenting duties by that time and  Olga was not one to hold back. 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on April 09, 2010, 09:30:45 AM
and in that great picture of Olga and Anastasia,( thanks for posting it! )  I'm guessing by the shadows in the foreground that Tatiana is walking ahead of Anastasia and Maria has turned around  in front of Olga to  take the photo ( merely speculation of course ) . Another bond between Olga and Anastasia is I believe they both deeply loved pranks as a means to alleviate boredom...probably no one loved pranks as much as  Anastasia...but I believe they would appreciate that in each other.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on April 14, 2010, 11:49:22 AM
Another thing these two shared was a keen sense of what was just and what was not...which I can't say is unrelated to the love of pranks....pranks are  sometimes a short cut to a type of justice! These sisters also would both let you know, in thier way, when they felt justice was outraged and in no uncertain terms. I think they understood each other quite well. And everyone greatly enjoyed Anastasia's humor...when they weren't the victem of it! . In looking into another matter, I found a long excerpt of Anastasia's letter to her father where she speaks of Olga's swinish hand,  in the book, The Romanovs love, power and tragedy.....on page 129, She writes :  I sat digging  my nose with my left hand. Olga wanted to give me a slap but I escaped from her swinish hand. I hope you have got a good picture of Alexei, and you show it to everybody. Tatiana is as stupid as ever.... It's speculation, but that indicates to  me that Tatiana, The Governess , covers the wash your hands and eat your vegetable aspects of parenting,   while Olga takes care of the walking when necessary part . That division would suit the Big Pair's temperaments nicely. But the GD's  were a seriously rough housing bunch. In this letter, Anastasia herself tell her father she's"  itching " to punch someone called, Bob at HQ. lol! 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Padawan Ryan on May 05, 2010, 03:26:27 PM
I always figured the two had a pretty good relationship. I mean, of course, Olga was the oldest and Anastasia the youngest, so they obviously had their differences, but they do have some of the same qualities. Olga has been described as rude - not terribly so, but she could be frank and blunt, among moody - and Anastasia was also considered rude many times, though for slightly different reasons. Of course, I'm not implying that they bonded over their rudeness. As well, from things I've read, it seemed that Tatiana was the one who was mostly into fashion and such, and Maria was boy crazy basically, so those two had girly qualities that didn't fit Olga or Anastasia as much. Anastasia was more of a tomboy, and Olga was practical (for lack of a better term), and those two qualities can mash together well at times.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 05, 2010, 09:37:04 PM
Here's a screenshot of Olga putting her arm around Anastasia's shoulders...

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5952/trip031wy5.th.jpg) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/trip031wy5.jpg/)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on May 06, 2010, 08:12:40 AM
Clock, thank you , that's awesome. One can see Marie is ahead and about to turn back to say something. She was just shoved , smacked by Olga and I think partly why Olga took hold of Anastasia ( who is returning the hug) was to keep her from Marie, so the  rough housing between them  would stop. To continue it,  would take them near Alexis at that point, besides it's simply dangerous to do on stairs .Tatiana was the Governess, but I think of Olga as the Boss! lol! We'll never know what Marie said as she turned back to them . But it seemed to amuse them. Really I think the idea of smacking Marie with just your hand at this point is pretty  funny. Because if you didn't have a lead pipe in your hand, it's effect could only be morel ! lol! But Olga and Anastasia hold on to each other the rest of the time to the boat , long after the need to separate the small pair has passed. This is very special film.

I'm also thinking of the famous photo of Anastasia's arm  draped over Olga as she was reading .It's just one photo, but it says much imo. Both girls look in complete ease and  closeness. I don't see Anastasia doing so, or Olga allowing it, in such ease, if they did not have excellent relations. And as Sarushka  says up thread, Olga regularly used Anastasia's nickname "shvybzik" in her letters...a name Anastasia used for herself. That shows great affection imo.
 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: nena on May 06, 2010, 11:42:06 AM
That is actually a video footage that was shot while visiting General Headquarters in 1916, IF were crossing the steps downwards, and Grand Duchesses were joyous. I am agreed that Olga and Anastasia might have gone along quite well. 

Snapshot (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Familija_Mogiljev_stepenice_1916-1.jpg).
(Whole family was presented)

Alexandre 64 posted once one amazing snapshot in large format of that video. 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on May 09, 2010, 02:24:52 PM
However I believe Olga did whack the  little pair when she thought they needed it!  We see Olga smack/ shove Maria away from Anastasia when those two are fussing on the steps to the  river in 1916...everyone is laughing too.... 

This is very interesting. Where can "we see" it? lol Is it a video or photograph? Thanks to who replies. :)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: RealAnastasia on May 09, 2010, 11:34:01 PM
It's a snapshot taken from a video... ;)  . I've seen it in a TV documentary and even have it recorded in VHS. It's very moving to see them walking and smiling and being so close as a family.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on May 10, 2010, 09:31:47 AM
from incomparable tashusik on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG2Hec_8Vzc

The  footage begins around :49 seconds in.....the family is coming down stairs to the river. Maria and Anastasia are shoving a bit on the stairs. Tatiana strees clear to the side. After she shoved Maria, Olga puts an arm around Anastasia , as Maria sails ahead and all laughing. Alexi and his parents come down before the girls do. Alexi looks quite thin here. This video also has CLOSE up footage of the Romanov's in Romania in 1914...Olga is holding a baby for the formal photo, but once the picture has been taken, Maria swoops over to take the baby from Olga. So Maria's love of children is there for us to see in action. This is a nice mix of footage. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on June 13, 2010, 04:10:23 PM
Another nice pic of their sister-relationship

(http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/nastasolya.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Tasia on June 13, 2010, 06:53:08 PM
They were skating on ice!! (oh really? xD)

Are there more pics of them skating on ice??
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 13, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
(http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/nastasolya.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/6olgaanastasia2.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on June 14, 2010, 01:00:28 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/OlgaAnastasiaAlexandraabout1910.jpg)

(http://romanovfamily.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/peasant2.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 14, 2010, 08:35:45 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/Sablin11.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/OlgaAnastasiainsickroom.jpg)[IMG]
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 14, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/window.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/smokin4sa.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 14, 2010, 08:43:18 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/onanreadingstandart1914.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/girlscrafting.jpg)                                                                                                                                         crafting with Marie, who is  being giggly
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Tasia on June 15, 2010, 10:51:22 AM
# Thanks blessOTMA! Reffering to reply #23 Isn't the girl with Anastasia in the "second photo" Maria?
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 15, 2010, 10:58:20 AM
# Thanks blessOTMA! Reffering to reply #23 Isn't the girl with Anastasia in the "second photo" Maria?
  You are welcome Tasia!  In that photo, imo, it looks like Imp is  getting a light for her cigarette from Olga's already lit one ..and from Olga's face I'd say Anastasia didn't ask first , just took her hand lol! ...but Olga doesn't really mind.  :)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Tasia on June 15, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
Oh! Okay, bOTMA! So the girl is Olga!
Thanks bOTMA
Agreed, TimM  :)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 16, 2010, 08:49:12 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/th_telllingimpwhattodo.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/?action=view&current=telllingimpwhattodo.jpg)

Olga giving Imp directions... you can see the Imperial train in the background

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/imphat.jpg)

fixing Anastasia's hat . Bonus: Tatiana giggle
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 16, 2010, 10:24:16 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/olgabike.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/snowbuddys.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on June 19, 2010, 10:34:30 AM
found another....Imp looks pretty determined. I think the flower collecting was quite competitive! lol

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/th_Impolgaflowers.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/?action=view&current=Impolgaflowers.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 16, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
Olga with Imp and  Standart officers ( note Paul right next to her. ) Then the Imp scoots out of the picture...looks like 1912

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/OPandA.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/Impscoots.jpg) 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: matushka on September 17, 2010, 06:28:25 AM
The unknown man is actually N.V. Sabline. These 2 excellentes pictures (thanks for having them scanned!!) are from his own memories, "Then years aboard the imperial yacht Standart". He labbelled the pictures as spring 1912, Sevastopol, Crimea. The officers are: Sablin ("reading"), Silaev, Rodionov, Semenov Tian-Shansky, Voronov, Kojevnikov, all names we are accoutumated to read about in GD's diaries and letters.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on September 17, 2010, 07:45:09 AM
Olga is again standing next to her beloved Pavel Voronov
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 17, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
Yes. You're right. It's Sabline. I've never seen those photos before for I didn't read Sablin's book. Of curse Pavel Voronov was always there and can't be mistaken with any other men... :)

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 18, 2010, 01:05:41 AM
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See that modest yet very happy smile ; ) Her eyes speak much about her happiness : )
Indeed! You are right Shammie!
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Dearie Annie, thank you so much for those photos! It’s very rare for many of us here : ))
My pleasure!  Here's another:  Olga and Imp next to each other 1907
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1907.jpg)


Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on September 18, 2010, 05:25:07 AM
Olga with Imp and  Standart officers ( note Paul right next to her. ) Then the Imp scoots out of the picture...looks like 1912

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/OPandA.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/Impscoots.jpg)  


blessOTMA, thanks for posting here these photos. Some of these brave officers are need to be mentioned.

My friendly five cents;).

Interesting, that on one photo we can see simply the main part of the 2nd Guard's Infantry Battalion officers (we can see Semenov-Tjan Shansky, Voronov, Rodionov and Kozhevnikov), who all started there bravely fought in WWI being in a part of 2nd Guard's Infantry Battalion. All of them later experienced all the WWI and terrible Civil War. Some survived, like Rodionov and Tjan-Shansky, but some, like Butakov and Babitsin couldn't have stand these tragic Russian times and were killed. Interesting also that all these people being a wealthy men with money and great positions in society (connections with IF), all went to war...

Btw, as to the N. V. Sablin on the second photo (1880-1962). His destiny is even far more tragic. He stayed in the USSR, suffered from different repressions. Then fled to Romania, where he was the chief editor in anti-soviet newspaper. He also posted a lot of materials to different emigre naval magazines, where he mentioned all the bright times of his Standart service. But in 1945 he was arrested by "SMERSH" (Soviet equivalent to "Gestapo") and received 20 years of punishment. Then (in 1954) was transferred to Romania, where he was arrested again and died in Romanian prison.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Sarushka on September 18, 2010, 09:35:35 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1907.jpg)

Interesting that the elder GDss are in light-colored middy blouses, while the Little Pair's are dark. I always thought the color of the children's sailor suits was determined by the season, not whims of fashion.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 19, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
Another scan from N.V. Sabline's  "Ten years aboard the imperial yacht Standart"  More officers with the family

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/moreofficers.jpg)

Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 19, 2010, 08:41:28 PM
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Interesting that the elder GDss are in light-colored middy blouses, while the Little Pair's are dark. I always thought the color of the children's sailor suits was determined by the season, not whims of fashion.
That's an interesting point. It may have been about the time the two pairs  started dressing differently  from each other ...seems to me all four were  dressed alike when younger . 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on September 20, 2010, 10:33:33 AM
Another scan from N.V. Sabline's  "Ten years aboard the imperial yacht Standart"  More officers with the family

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/moreofficers.jpg)


blessOTMA, thank you very much for this photo.

Sorry for asking, but do you have it in a more higher resolution? Or maybe someone else have it? Very need it now;).
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: nena on September 20, 2010, 01:13:59 PM
The photo is new to me -- thank you. It comes from 1910, and shows the IF with their suite during the picnic. Do I see Dr. Botkin on the far right, upper row? (With beard and mustache).
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: matushka on September 20, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
I can see Butakov, N. N. Rodionov, N. V. Sabline, N. P. Sabline (sitting, on the right side), perhaps Silaev.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 20, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
The photo is new to me -- thank you. It comes from 1910, and shows the IF with their suite during the picnic. Do I see Dr. Botkin on the far right, upper row? (With beard and mustache).
  Quite possibly nena, I looked at the book just now ...But it  could  also be that general I'm always confusing him with too. The gentlemen who is in that photo , dragging Marie and Anastasia in a wagon in the garden...( AN is making a face) I think you are correct ...But I will make  this photo larger this evening so the uniform and be seen by those who know. I know it's Trina behind Alix in the hat with the black bow  and next to her is that small lady who is often in the family photos from this time...
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 20, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
I can see Butakov, N. N. Rodionov, N. V. Sabline, N. P. Sabline (sitting, on the right side), perhaps Silaev.
Good lord, no wonder I am always confused . N. V. Sabline AND N. P. Sabline? Now I will really embarrass myself...were they related? I thought there was only one Sabline  and yet I kept seeing these two men being called by this name....this is nothing new. For  years I thought there were two composers...one called Chopin, as you would normally  say  the name and another called,  " Chop-in"  ...no really . And yes the two Sablines  are there :) One behind the Tsar and the other at right sitting down as you say  :) . 
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: nena on September 20, 2010, 03:16:15 PM
There were two Sabline's in IF's suite. One of them was named Nicholas Pavlovich Sabline, and he was Russian Navy officer, and later adjutant,  who died in Paris in 1937.


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Sluge%20i%20prijatelji/th_sabl.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Sluge%20i%20prijatelji/?action=view&current=sabl.jpg)
(N. P. Sabline is on the far left)

However, the another Nicholas Vassilievich Sabline was captain of the 2nd rank, and died in Romania in 1962. He wrote his memories 'Ten years aboard the imperial yacht Standart'. But, according to the Russian sites, both of them were born in 1880. I don't know if they were related.

'Everything went bad ... There was a sad and tragic time ... ' -- N.V. Sabline.


Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: matushka on September 20, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
I think they were not related, how strange that it seems. In Olga's diary Nik. Vas. is "Sablin" and Nik. Pav. is "N.P".
There was in fact a third Sabline, Nikolay Pavlovich's brother.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 20, 2010, 11:25:25 PM
matushka , perhaps Olga did that to keep them straight herself! lol! I think it's amazing there were two...and even more they are not related? Is it a common name in Russia? I often hear  Sabline let the family down when the revolution came...which one do people mean?

As promised : bigger version of the 1910  picnic.  Thses photos are printed rather small , let me know if they are big enough.
 nena, I believe that gentleman standing on the right  is the general who sometime fools me into thinking  he's Dr. Botkin
Also more pics!  :) and one of Alix and her girls to keep us on topic!   All from this book . Enjoy

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1910picnic.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1910picnic.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1909reception.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1909reception.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1908yatch.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1908yatch.jpg)

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/Alixgirls.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: matushka on September 21, 2010, 03:56:56 AM
BlessOTMA, people mean Nikolay Pavlovich, who was a very close friend of the family, Olga and Tatiana were very fond of him (see their diary) and Sabline was especially an help for Alexandra Feodorovna. In Livadia, on the yacht, on journey he spent a lot of time entertaining the ill empress.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on September 22, 2010, 10:49:03 AM
As promised : bigger version of the 1910  picnic.  Thses photos are printed rather small , let me know if they are big enough.
 nena, I believe that gentleman standing on the right  is the general who sometime fools me into thinking  he's Dr. Botkin
Also more pics!  :) and one of Alix and her girls to keep us on topic!   All from this book . Enjoy
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1910picnic.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1910picnic.jpg)


Dear blessOTMA, thank you for this bigger version;).

Now I can see it clearly. From left to right (only officers, according to to their 1910's ranks):

Upper row. Lieutenant Kozhevnikov, Senior Lieutenant N. V. Sablin, ? (unknown man) , Guard's Captain Drenteln (*Infantry and HIM Suite Officer, often confused with Dr Botkin),
Middle row. Lieutenant Butakov, Midshipman Messing, N-II, Lieutenant Stolitsa (not 100%) (do not confuse with Rodionov, both have a big smile).
Lower row. Flag Captain of N-II/Vice Admiral Nilov, Naval Engineer/Captain Nevyarovsky, Senior Lieutenant N. P. Sablin.

About Sablin... Indeed, they were absolutely different people. Even not a distant relatives. Matushka is right here, Nicholay Pavlovich indeed even had some other relative Naval Officers with the surname Sablin (father and brother), but all of them were not connected to the Naval Guard Crew. In Imperial Russian military/Naval tradition there was a good law to add numbers to the officers with the same surname in order to simplify the situation (regardless their affinity). For example: Sablin 1 (N. P. Sablin's brother), Sablin 2 (N. P. itself) and Sablin 3 (another man, N. V. Sablin). Or, Butakov 5 (our dear Alexander Ivanovich Butakov) and Butakov 4 (his brother, Baltic fleet naval officer Ivan Ivanovich Butakov).

Olga and Tatiana were very fond of him (see their diary) and Sabline was especially an help for Alexandra Feodorovna. In Livadia, on the yacht, on journey he spent a lot of time entertaining the ill empress.

Matushka, it seems to me that judging by the appearance of Mr N. P. Sablin and fact that he was free (not married) even till 1917, a lot of women form higher class nobility were very fond of him and not only Tatiana and Olga;).
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: amartin71718 on September 22, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
Nicola, how do you know all of this stuff?
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: matushka on September 22, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
A big thank you, Nicola, for this bright identification of all the officers. I am especially glad you correct me about Rodionov/Stolitsa, an occasion to put a face on this name!
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on September 23, 2010, 09:56:19 AM
A big thank you, Nicola, for this bright identification of all the officers. I am especially glad you correct me about Rodionov/Stolitsa, an occasion to put a face on this name!

Matushka, you are welcome. To be honest with you I've been also thinking that this is Rodionov;). They are surprisingly similar to each other. But then I looked at this picture already posted here. No comments...

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Sluge%20i%20prijatelji/th_sabl.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Sluge%20i%20prijatelji/?action=view&current=sabl.jpg)

Nicola, how do you know all of this stuff?

Marty,

Endless amount of different Imperial Russian navy/military/citizens lists (thanks to bureaucratic Imperial regime) help a lot here. Plus personal archive with a lot of different information (emigre information, Russian principalities information, nobility information, photos, etc.). And little practise.

Sorry for off-topic. We are already far away from Olga and Anastasia now;).

Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on September 29, 2010, 11:36:02 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_AON1916.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/AON1916.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 04, 2011, 04:49:33 AM
Olga and  Anastasia dancing on the board of the Standart, courtesy of the Russian archives:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/Olga/fileCAMC1PJ5.jpg)
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on February 04, 2011, 08:12:08 AM
New to me. Is this Pavel Voronov with whom Olga is dancing?
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: voyageroffreedom on February 04, 2011, 08:46:37 AM
The officer dancing with Olga does indeed look like Pavel Voronov and not to forget he used to invite her to dance quite often so I'm thinking it is him, unfortunately the picture is so small so we can’t be 100% sure, plus the Russian archive doesn’t mention the name of those two officers dancing with Olga and Anastasia.
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Sarushka on February 04, 2011, 09:37:31 AM
It's on board the Polar Star. Not sure if the Standart's officers would have taken part...
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on February 04, 2011, 04:23:43 PM
It's on board the Polar Star. Not sure if the Standart's officers would have taken part...

But Sarah, why you are not sure?

I don't see any problem here of Voronov being invited for example on Polar Star on one of these endless IF celebrations with an Officers. All the Guard Crew ships (like Standart, Polar Star, Tsasrevna, Oleg. etc.) were as a one big Guard family consisted from higher (upper class) nobility, far away from the simple Navy and all of the crew members (all their service promotions) were totally agreed with the IF. These men were at least familiar with If, or as Voronov - close familiar.  Of course N-II or AF could have easily personally invited Voronov on this unofficial meeting.

Btw, interesting also that on endless amount of IF resting photos with mainly Standart Officers (on the Finnish shore for example) we can see a whole bouquet of Officers from different Guard Crew ships. Not only from Standart...
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: blessOTMA on February 04, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
looks like Pavel Voronov to me. He had quite a wedge shaped face, which his beard accented. Hopefully we'll see a larger print some day
Title: Re: Olga and Anastasia
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 12, 2017, 01:20:37 PM
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/969a2d59ecfcf32eccd6e6e3dd7c290e/tumblr_oob56oqphz1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)