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Discussions about the Alexander Palace => Tsarskoe Selo Town => Topic started by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 09:30:36 AM

Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 09:30:36 AM
Hello Elisa!
The train station in that book is the private train pavillion of Nicholas and Alexandra. There was also the town train station, with its lovely architecture, that was damaged during the wwii and then reconstructed in "soviet" neoclassical style. I wonder whether the building was or not so damaged, because the structure of the new station is quite similar to the former one...
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: BobAtchison on April 27, 2004, 10:03:33 AM
When they rebuilt the train station after the war they preserved part of the old facade.  The town station had been enlarged several times from the 1840's until 1917 on the same core.

Bob
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Belochka on April 27, 2004, 11:41:02 PM
Sadly my personal impressions of the Tsarskoe Selo station were disappointing. We caught the City train back to SPb in 2002. The facade was acceptable structurally but needed attention if one looked closely. There were three nice "bas relief" cameos of famous Russian poets - Zhukovski, Karamzin and Derjhavin visible on one side, but these were crumbling at the edges. The tunnel which lead to the platform was dingy and smelly. There were many stalls on the platform itself with locals?selling trinkets which I felt detracted from the place itself trying to catch the few passing visitors on Sunday.

At the end journey at Vitebsky Vokzal (Station) there was a train engine and carriage housed in a glass enclosure which displayed one of the Tsarist trains which conveyed the Imperial Family between the two cities.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Cathy on April 28, 2004, 08:54:59 AM
The Vitebsky Vokzal train station was more of a disappointment to me - when one enters the huge station one sees and smells the decay and the dirt. The concrete under foot was almost a hazard, so broken and full of holes. The stairwell to The Imperial Waiting Room was dusty and smelled of urine. The huge room itself was lovely to be sure but it was empty - no one uses it or even visits it, what a waste.
Getting train tickets to Tsarskoe Selo was a breeze. Instructions in the tour guides had been so informative.I loved the train ride for many reasons.
I loved the train station at Tsarskoe Selo and maybe it was because I was so excited to be there. It did have parts of the old structure, although it does need repair. You could see (and envision what it had been like in N&A day) with the stone archway and the pillars. The smell didn't bother me because it was outdoors and a lovely warm sunny day. And it was very clean - no garbage. We did not see vendors of any kind. Waiting for the train to go back was a treat because I was able to watch the people.
I'd go back tomorrow!!
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Belochka on April 29, 2004, 12:02:02 AM
Depending on the time you travelled along this route, Vitebsky Vokzal was also undergoing re-construction in 2002-3. Perhaps it more pleasant now. At least train travel is safe. The Sunday we went there were a few lads selling SPb maps on board the train, but they were never in your face.  Maybe its a Sunday thing, because locals know that there would be more visitors on that day.

Despite the wooden seating, the most exciting part of the journey by train was not just viewing the scenary ... the plains and vegetation but knowing that the Imperial Family used the very same track. One could almost visualize the Imperial days and imagine how it might have been.

;)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Belochka on June 26, 2004, 12:49:55 AM
Thank you Joanna for these truely awesome photographs.
:o
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Mike on June 26, 2004, 06:29:08 AM
This is how the railway station in Pskov looked in the 1910s:
(http://www.osh.org.il/images/pskov_station.jpg)

The current station is basically the same building, albeit after many repairs and amendments, the latest in 2003. There is a memorial plaque on Nicolas' abdication, and a chapel in his memory was built at the station square:
(http://www.mitropolia-spb.ru/vestnik/y2003/n08/19_4.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Belochka on June 26, 2004, 11:22:16 PM
Thanks Mike for these photos. I have never seen old Imperial photos of the Pskov station before! :D
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 23, 2004, 08:38:31 PM
Hello Joanna,

Since there are so many photographs taken in different platforms of different stations im posting a photo id swear was taken in the platform of the Imperial private train pavillion:

(http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1043/reviewprivatepavillion.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 24, 2004, 12:28:24 PM
A fantastic photo ! At first I thought it looked like a movie set ! Any idea what year this was taken ? And is that the king of Saxony ?
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 24, 2004, 12:44:29 PM
Hello Robert,

The photo was taken the 6th of June of 1914. The Tsar is receiving Frederick-August III of Saxony.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 24, 2004, 12:58:28 PM
Thank you, Antonio.  I am stillamazed by it ! Of course it was taken by a professional court photographer, but still, so perfect ! I would  put it up framed as an art print with my collection of royal/imperial guardsmen photos.

Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 24, 2004, 08:44:38 PM
Here is a photograph of the place where the platform once stood:

(http://img2.exs.cx/img2/8158/trainplatform.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Scott on July 30, 2005, 08:31:08 PM
Does this map show the location of these sheds?  It appears to point to the approximate location of the Imperial train pavillion.  I suppose it would make sense that the sheds would be close to the pavillion.

http://www.czsofia.spb.ru/photo/geo.jpg
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 23, 2005, 02:01:00 AM
Quote
Has anyone seen the train station on a visit to Tsarskoe Selo? It is such an important place, and i wondered if anyone could tell me what it is like now?  In Peter Kurth's book it says "The ruins of the train station.." with a photo of the imperial crest in poor condition on the station walls. The book was published some time ago though, and i wondered if the station was still in the same state?

Best wishes,
Elisa


Hi Elisa,

In response to your original question about the imperial train station, I saw it a few weeks ago, or rather its ruins. Yes, it is still in ruins. It is about a 15-20 minute walk from the AP via Akademichesky Prospekt. The station looks very incongruos standing there among new (or relatively new) apartment buildings, as it is the newer area of town, and back in the early 20th there wasn't much around there.

I took lots of photos of the surrounding area and the station itself, inside and out, and I will post them after I get back. The doors to the station are blocked off, so you can't get inside, but if you really try, you can look through the windows, and this is how I was able to get some shots of the inside. It is not a pretty picture. Everything is literally in ruins, it is obvious that at some point or another it served as an inofficial shelter perhaps to the homeless (rubbish, bottles, grafitty, etc.). But you can still make out the imperial crests, and imagine what it looked like back then. Also, the rails are now gone, but you can sort of tell where they were... When you see the pictures, you will see what I mean.

Helen
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on August 23, 2005, 04:00:08 PM
emperor pavilion
(http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/3871/p1010693fermskiyparkemperorpav.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: ChristineM on August 24, 2005, 11:54:14 AM
That is a wonderful photograph Reco.   Thank you.

The Imperial Railway Station in winter.   Looking forward to seeing Helen A's Imperial Railway Station in summer.

tsaria
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Arleen on August 28, 2005, 07:33:22 PM
Reco, What a wonderful picture.....there it sits in all its glory right in the middle of an apartment complex!!  How Russian.  How I would love to see it.

..Arleen
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 30, 2005, 02:03:45 PM
Does anyone have any old photos of the imperial train station? I thought I saw some on this thread, but I guess not... Please post them if you have them, or point me to them. Thanks!

Helen
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 30, 2005, 02:11:48 PM
The old photo of the station I am looking for looks like this one below, or rather the same angle.  

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7890/imperialtrainstation4hu.jpg)

Thanks again!
Title: September 16, 2005 - Imperial RR Pavilion
Post by: Scott on September 30, 2005, 10:33:32 PM
Looking along the street toward the Pavilion:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0640-comp.jpg)

Looking in the general direction of where the tracks would have ran.  You can see the locomotive sheds in the distance:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0641-comp.jpg)

A slightly closer look at the sheds:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0701.jpg)
Title: September 16, 2005 - Imperial RR Pavilion
Post by: Scott on September 30, 2005, 11:18:48 PM
Some exterior photos:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0697-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0679-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0674-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0685-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0683-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0665-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0647-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0644-comp.jpg)
Title: September 16, 2005 - Imperial RR Pavilion
Post by: Scott on September 30, 2005, 11:59:01 PM
Some interior photos:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0689-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0690-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0693-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0671-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0687-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0669-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0664-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0658-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0656-comp.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0654-comp.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Mike on October 01, 2005, 02:06:40 AM
The only word I can find: shocked. It wasn't that horrible during the Soviet times. Noted the abundant Nazi symbols?...
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ortino on October 01, 2005, 12:02:26 PM
I'm disgusted by the amount of swatiskas found in the photos. It's unbelievable what some people will graffiti for fun or out of hatred onto a building worth so much historically. They are absolutely wonderful photos though, bright, clear, and so very large! Your ability to photograph things Scott never ceases to amaze me. ;D
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: divine_grace on October 23, 2005, 02:25:42 PM
Does any one have an image of one of the Tsarist train in the Vitebsky Vokzal (station). I believe Belochka was the one that posted this information. It was a train engine and carriage housed in a glass enclosure. It would really be nice if someone would be able to post one. Thank you.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on October 23, 2005, 10:10:50 PM
(http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/302/imperialtrainstation126yg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on October 23, 2005, 10:11:55 PM
(http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/7061/imperialtrainstation224rl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on October 23, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
(http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4374/imperialtrainstation322hv.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 18, 2006, 11:50:09 AM
All we may say is that restoration work would be huge...it seems that all the rails are not in state of use anymore...does the project of imperial train include Vitebsk?

Vassili
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nemos on February 02, 2007, 01:20:12 PM
Photo of archive TSGAKFFD (ЦГАКФФД), the code And 10352. Employees of restaurant of station. I so understand a photo is made inside of station.

http://pushkin-history.info/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=26&func=detail&id=401
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 07, 2007, 10:13:08 PM
Hello Joanna,

Since there are so many photographs taken in different platforms of different stations im posting a photo id swear was taken in the platform of the Imperial private train pavillion:

(http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1043/reviewprivatepavillion.jpg)

btw speaking about this photo, I don't think this is Imeprial pavilion. I think Photo would be Vitebskiy Train station. Please take a look on far wall:

(http://www.photographic.com.ua/image/5363.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nemos on February 08, 2007, 02:20:11 AM

If you have in view of Vitebsk station in Peter most likely it is necessary to look a photo of Imperial pavilion - cash departments of distant following (if they there still are).
Если вы имеете ввиду Витебский вокзал в Питере, то скорее всего надо смотреть фотографию Императорского павильона - кассы дальнего следования (если они там ещё есть).

Here the card of pavilion is
Здесь открытка павильона есть

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_f_06_A.htm
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Centr/Prevokz_pl/Istor/lo000000239_1_m.jpg

It is little bit its window others however
Окна его немного другие однако

Here a card of Imperial pavilion in Tsarskoe Selo
Здесь открытка Императорского павильона в Царском Селе

http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/P1010064.jpg
http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_f_06_C.htm

Here it is visible windows is better
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/001/untitled-0775.jpg

Truly, whether all visitors accepted in Imperial pavilion of Tsarskoe Selo? In полне it is possible that it is city station of Tsarskoe Selo?
Верно то, всех ли гостей принимали в Императорском павильоне Царского Села? В полне возможно что это городской вокзал Царского Села ?

Here the photo which shows that it more likely city station, перон which younger brother Vitebsk.
Здесь фото которое показывает что это скорее городской вокзал, перон которого младший брат Витебского.

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Sentr/Privok_pl_001.htm
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Imperat/Nikol_II/010/P1010543.jpg
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Imperat/Nikol_II/010/P1010544.jpg
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 08, 2007, 03:02:37 PM
Actually it remains as unknown:
This is drawing of Imperial pavilion, as you would see the rail track cover showing solid brick windows:
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/tsarskoestation.jpg)

this would be Tsarskoye Selo Train Station, I am puzzled if this is train station to Tsarskoye Selo
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/La%20Gare%20de%20Tzarkoe%20Selo.jpg)

Because Train Station in Tsarskoye Selo would look like that:
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/la%20gare.jpg)

and here Vitebskiy Train Station from opposite section of covered tracks
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/sp-viteb.jpg)


 so I think picture number 2 would be opposite side view to the last one
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 09, 2007, 02:02:51 AM
Ok puzzle solved!
It was 2 Imperial pavilions one located in St. Petersburg bound to Tsarskoye Selo, other one in Tsarskoye Selo bound to St. Petersburg.

look here old picture of Imperial Pavilion in St. Petersburg bound to Tsarskoye Selo:
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/La%20Gare%20de%20Tzarkoe%20Selo.jpg)

here the new picture, now days:
(http://www.enlight.ru/camera/266/jun15_4276.jpg)


here the old picture from opposite direction Tsarskoye Selo, bound to St. Petersburg:
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/tsarskoestation.jpg)

and new picture the same train station:
(http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/3871/p1010693fermskiyparkemperorpav.jpg)


so in conclusion, that picture would show Vitebsky Train Station bound to Tsarskoye Selo, because in Imperial Pavilion St Petersburg location, both side of the track was covered by the glass window!
(http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1043/reviewprivatepavillion.jpg)


any thought about this theory?
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 09, 2007, 03:38:17 AM
btw I forgot to give credits to the Peter's Sobolev "Wandering Camera" site, where I picked up new view of Imperial buildings, remarkable pictures, highly recommended to see:
1st page outside of the train station (after renovation)
http://bcam.spb.ru/266/index_e.html (http://bcam.spb.ru/266/index_e.html)

2nd page inside the building of the train station (after renovation)
http://bcam.spb.ru/267/index_e.htmll (http://bcam.spb.ru/267/index_e.htmll)

few pictures before renovation:
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/19/index_e.html (http://www.enlight.ru/camera/19/index_e.html)


Btw index for hist picture could be found here:
http://bcam.spb.ru/index2_e.htm (http://bcam.spb.ru/index2_e.htm)
and here:
http://bcam.spb.ru/index_e.htm (http://bcam.spb.ru/index_e.htm)

Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nemos on February 09, 2007, 11:53:25 AM
Here it is visible windows is better
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/001/untitled-0775.jpg

Pay attention to windows (frequency of a lattice), glass on the other hand is not present. Then leaves as other photos are made in pavilion.
Обратите внимание на окна (частота решётки), стекла с другой стороны нет. Тогда выходит что и другие фотографии сделаны в павильоне.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 09, 2007, 03:42:45 PM
Nicholay, you were right about it! Close up picture showing pattern of the window framing matching both pictures.
I took a liberty to move picture to my hosting otherwise folks outside of Russia would have to wait 5 min to get it, so we can see and compare both examples:
(http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1043/reviewprivatepavillion.jpg)
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/untitled-0775.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 11, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
Vladm,

Thanks for all those posts and your interests in the station...

Don't you think ,it is peculiar that nothing could be done in russian and international press or in  the net on the restoration of the building?

Vassia
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 11, 2007, 04:09:14 PM
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 11, 2007, 05:27:38 PM
Vladm,

I beg your pardon but I'm far to be enough accurate in english to grasp all the meanings of what you say...
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
Restoring train station without tracks,
What does this mean?No fund on historic documents ...?
As far as I understand this is still a project(Vladimir telle me that the restoration had been voted...I do not understand at all..)
Please could you tell me what is Fedorovski gorodok?The field that surrounds the station?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/P1010064.jpg)

Thanks for your patience,
Vassili
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 11, 2007, 05:40:03 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/P1000170.jpg)
This is the station in Tsarskoye S.,but is this the interiors of the same one?

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/P1000667.jpg)

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/P1000670.jpg)

This was presented as the remains of an old train station;which one is it?

What is the actual purpose of this old station in Petersburg given the fact it could not be used any more as  the pavilion bound to Tsarskoye where no train go through any more?I hope I'm clear...

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/sub_wm.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 11, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
Vladm,

I beg your pardon but I'm far to be enough accurate in english to grasp all the meanings of what you say...
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
Restoring train station without tracks,
What does this mean?No fund on historic documents ...?
As far as I understand this is still a project(Vladimir telle me that the restoration had been voted...I do not understand at all..)
Please could you tell me what is Fedorovski gorodok?The field that surrounds the station?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/Russia/P1010064.jpg)

Thanks for your patience,
Vassili


Vassili, I am terribly sorry about my syntax and phrase construction, unfortunately my Russian is not much different.

Nicholas II build several structures in TS, with the same architectural motif: Feodorvskiy Gorodok, and Imperial Pavilion at Tsarskoye Selo bound to St. Petersburg.

Now train station (Imperial Pavilion), as we know not restored after WWII, furthermore railroad to train station was removed completely, and on the place where rail road was, city of Pushkin build new apartment complexes. However, not far away, located rail road tracks, but from other train station Baltiskiy.

Describing about "Russian group - running", I was trying to be sarcastic, without money, they have no chance.
No one votes in Russia for anything, as you know probably, national treasures has been destroyed, including 300 meter (almost 1000 ft) rising building in the center of St. Petersburg, will destroy scenery of the St. Petersburg, build by Peter the Great.

Now about Feodorovkiy Gorodok, its a structure right in front of the Feodorovkiy Cathedral, here the small example for you:
(http://www.virtualpushkin.com/images/AlexanderPalace/%D7%E0%F1%F2%FC%20%F4%E0%F1%E0%E4%E0%20%E7%E4%E0%ED%E8%FF,%20%E2%FB%F1%F2%F0%EE%E5%ED%ED%EE%E3%EE%20%E2%20%EF%F1%E5%E2%E4%EE%F0%F3%F1%F1%EA%EE%EC%20%F1%F2%E8%EB%E5%20(%E0%F0%F5%E8%F2%E5%EA%F2%EE%F0%20%C2.%C0.%20%CF%EE%EA%F0%EE%E2%F1%EA%E8%E9)%201911.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 11, 2007, 07:25:23 PM
Actually I found better pictures on this site, showing Feodorovsky Gorodok:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,275.30.html (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,275.30.html)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on February 19, 2007, 08:01:18 PM
Imperial Pavilion at Vitebsk in St.P:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161664
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161600
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101162017
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161069

Interiors:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161730
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161784
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161826
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101161859
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101162153
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101162049
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2101162101

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: vladm on February 19, 2007, 10:49:13 PM
Joanna,
Incredible photos, I know how tough to search anything on this site.
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 07, 2007, 05:25:31 AM
We posted a lot about the station,nethertheless I've forgotten the shots from the nostalgic glass that I loved so much...

http://nostalgicglass.org/display.php?pn=12#
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i9.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i8.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i10.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i11.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i12.jpg)

Vassia

Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on February 11, 2008, 08:37:51 AM
Does anyone know if the work has already started?

Thanks in advance!
V
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ena on March 12, 2008, 11:45:21 PM
I'm planning to visit AP this year and hope to see this station. 

Helen, I saw elsewhere on here where you had given superb directions to this station.  Thanks!

Scott, you have some real amazing shots that capture the sheer devastation of this once splendid building. 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2008, 01:52:58 AM
Ena, thanks for the compliments on my photos.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Sarushka on March 19, 2008, 07:07:22 AM
Helen, I saw elsewhere on here where you had given superb directions to this station.  Thanks!

I think that was me, actually. But Helen verified that my maps & directions were correct, which is very important since I've never been there myself! ;)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ena on March 19, 2008, 05:07:28 PM
Helen, I saw elsewhere on here where you had given superb directions to this station.  Thanks!

I think that was me, actually. But Helen verified that my maps & directions were correct, which is very important since I've never been there myself! ;)
I'm sorry, Sarushka!  It was both you and Helen.  And maps, no less.  Not bad for someone who hasn't visited yet.  Color me envious! 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on July 24, 2008, 09:21:19 PM
Photos of the Imperial Pavilion November 2007:
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1658.JPG
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1657.JPG
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1654.JPG

Site has many beautiful photographs of various buildings in the town of Tsarskoe Selo:
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/pushkin.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on July 29, 2008, 08:05:45 PM
Another fascinating investigation by the writer of the Children's Island. It is of the Imperial railway route from St. Petersburg to Tsarskoe Selo with many contemporary photographs of what remains today:

http://fedor-ragin.livejournal.com/2514.html
http://fedor-ragin.livejournal.com/2618.html
http://fedor-ragin.livejournal.com/2958.html

Joanna

Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: tyumen on August 08, 2008, 11:08:58 AM
Joanna, Iam new to this site and don't post often but the links to the sites of the old Imperial Station and the Tsarskoe environs are fantastic! It causes a lump in my throat to see these beautiful historic buildings in such condition. It may be just the time of day that some of the photograpy it is almost magical/mystical. Thanks for this.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on August 08, 2008, 07:41:51 PM
Tyumen, I also feel as you. Having stayed in Tsarskoe Selo for so long, it is to love the people and town. Walking in footsteps of history are treasured memories. The survival and restoration work by so many are inspiration. Of the sites, I am in awe of these photographers and writers. Their work is beyond what I ever imagined to find and it is thrilling to know that more will be written.

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 09, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Photos of the Imperial Pavilion November 2007:
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1658.JPG
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1657.JPG
http://trassa.narod.ru/piter/pushkin/DSCN1654.JPG

Thanks, Joanna for posting these. I don't think the rails are there any longer, if I remember correctly?
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on August 09, 2008, 10:14:52 PM
Helen, it is as you remember. The pavilion close to road isolated among surrounding fields. I have not read closely yet of F. Ragin's writings on the Imperial railway but he may indicate year tracks were removed. The same in the area behind the Palace hospital where single line tracks were c1914-1917 and are now gone. Pushkin tourism has stated of the restoration of the Imperial railway but I am not sure of the location.

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 10, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
Pushkin tourism has stated of the restoration of the Imperial railway but I am not sure of the location.

You mean they will rebuild it some place else?
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on August 10, 2008, 06:39:36 PM
I am not sure of the actual plan. I think it is to restore the pavilion but will the track be from Detskoe Selo line or through Alexandrovskoe? There has been no development yet at the pavilion.

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Victory_L on September 11, 2008, 03:57:21 PM
I from Tsarskoe Selo-  Pushkin city. I be able photograph today"s Tsarskoe Selo. There is necessity. In centre city build oneself a Ekaterininskij sobor. My name is Victory and sorry english!
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on September 18, 2008, 02:51:52 AM
Verry good news Victory,


We will look after you shots!

It is very nice of you,
Vlad!
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: susana on September 21, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
With all this talk about trains and tracks I'm reminded that on my train trip from Moscow to Ekaterinburg in July 1997 I was amazed to see that while some of the train car exteriors had the red Russian star at least the same number of cars carried the old imperial double-headed eagle! Wow.Love all your photos--from StP we stopped at the Tsarskoye station but were tired and none of us went to look at it.   :o
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on October 29, 2008, 02:32:05 PM
Possibly a new site that will be updated on a regular basis:
http://arhive.3dn.ru/photo/1-0-12

The date of this photo of the Egyptian Gate would be interesting to know as it appears the unpaved road surround looks in appearance as during c1910s.

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nemos on October 29, 2008, 03:07:04 PM
Это фото из краткого путеводителя 1960-х годов города Пушкина.
This photo from the short guidebook of 1960th years of a city of Pushkin.
Title: Re: September 16, 2005 - Imperial RR Pavilion
Post by: Joanna on October 29, 2008, 08:20:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/lydunka/DSCN0685-comp.jpg)

To compare a similar view c1912 of the Imperial Pavilion with Scott's fantastic photograph above:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2501084131

And another close-up of carriage-entrance which has been bricked up
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2501084093

Joanna
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: susana on January 04, 2009, 07:26:40 PM
According to our Russian guide in 1997 the Imperial Family didn't leave for Tobolsk from the Tsarskoe train station. A perpendicular road crosses the tracks just a block or so away from the station and the family were boarded there--possibly to avoid attracting attention to the station which we supposed would be business as usual. Anyway, we were shocked having always thought they would naturally leave from the station but of course it was a secret operation.

All the photos have been such a treat I wish I'd gone inside.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Cathy on January 05, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
If I recall, one cannot get into the main building through the front entrance. One could climb through the open windows. You can see the foyer ceiling inside the front entrance but you can't then walk into the building. At least I did not. 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ambreville on May 04, 2009, 08:10:48 AM
I wonder what the trains that common travelers took from Tsarskoe Selo to Petersburg actually looked like in 1916. Were these trains set up with compartments and an access corridor on the side, or were they set up more like a regular coach car (one big open cabin with two rows of seats and a central aisle)? Does anybody have pictures?

Looking at all the pictures of train stations in this thread was awesome, but a bit confusing. Is the boarding platform at the public train station in Tsarskoe Selo the one with the metal and glass structure arching overhead, or the one that is open to the sky? I suspect it may be the latter by I'm not sure.

Based on the latest series of archive pictures, I suspect the way one reached the boarding platform was through one of the wood and glass doors in the waiting room, correct?

Thanks again for all the pics! 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: geglov3 on May 04, 2009, 09:28:14 AM
Временный вокзал (1902)
Temporary Station (1902)

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,6008/

Великокняжеский павильон постоянный до 1911 года.
Standing up to the Great Hall in 1911.

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,6573/

Последний Царский павильон ...
Last Tsar's Pavilion ...

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,1121/

С уважением ...
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ambreville on May 04, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
Alright, looks like I got confused with the Imperial Pavilion. Thanks for the picture of the 1911 public train station. That's what I was looking for. Are there any pictures of the interior??

Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: geglov3 on May 04, 2009, 11:53:10 AM
План павильона 1910 года ...
Plan of the pavilion in 1910 ...
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,6574/

Другой вид с платформы 1908
Another view from the platform 1908
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,5990/

А нового каменного павильона встечаются часто ... (но других не видел).
A new brick pavilion vstechayutsya often ... (but others did not see).
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,5049/
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,266/id,5048/
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ambreville on May 04, 2009, 12:37:13 PM
Neat pictures. However, these all looks like the imperial pavilion. I'm looking for material on the public station.

By the way, the Egyptian Gate is built across from the imperial pavilion or the public train station?

-------------------------------------------

Edit

Never mind, I did find the location of the Egyptian Gate with Google Earth (nowhere near the public station in any case). I'm still trying to get an idea of the general layout inside the public station and inside a typical train car. If anyone can help with this it'd be awesome!
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: geglov3 on May 04, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
План городского вокзала в Царском Селе ...
Plan City Station in Tsarskoe Selo ...

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,114/id,6571/

Зал 3-его класса
Hall 3rd Class

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,114/id,6556/

Как я понял зал ресторана - вход ...
As I understood the hall - entrance ...

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,114/id,401/



PS

Около Египетских (Кузьминских) ворот Казачьи казармы (Собственного Его Императорского Величества конвоя), но сама железнодорожная линия ветки была в 100 метрах.  Фото вагонов императорского поезда есть в интернете, сам состав (один из нескольких) есть в Финляндии в музее ...

На 16 км на станции есть Паровозный музей ...  город Пушкин 23-24 км.

Some of Egypt (Kuzminskiy) Gate Cossack barracks (His Imperial Majesty's Own escort), but the branch railway line was 100 meters. Pictures of the imperial wagon train is on the internet, the stock (one of several) is in Finland at the museum ...

At 16 km to the station is engine museum ... town of Pushkin 23-24 km.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ambreville on May 04, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Thanks for all the info! 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: geglov3 on May 04, 2009, 02:25:52 PM
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2504969438

Императорский поезд
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: EmmyLee on August 06, 2012, 07:23:10 PM
*edited to move my post to a different thread*
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 02, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
Are there any updates on the imperial station? 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Ena on March 03, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
When I was there last year it was all fenced off.  It looks as if they are either going to renovate or just trying to keep people out (or both).
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Olga from St.P. on March 05, 2013, 01:49:36 PM
Autumn 2012. All is very bad (((

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/2012/2012-10%20Pushkin/IMG_1650_.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/2012/2012-10%20Pushkin/IMG_1654_.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/2012/2012-10%20Pushkin/IMG_1657_.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/2012/2012-10%20Pushkin/IMG_1658_.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x118/stj_album/2012/2012-10%20Pushkin/IMG_1653_zps183a9bfe.jpg)


07.06.1914, the train station, Nikolay and king Sacsonia (Sachsen) Friedrich August III (foto of Carl Bulla)
(http://kn.sobaka.ru/n86/images/024.jpg)
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: pastpalacelife on March 20, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
IMO, The imperial station should be considered historically very important to the story of the imperial family in Tsarskoe Selo. I know funding shortages prohibits preservation of many buildings but to me, the station is exceptional and retaining it should be giving the highest priority.
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Brassov on March 22, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Yes I agree, most of the pavillions and follies in the gardens at Tsarskoe have been renovated now. I wish the station would be next. It could be turned into a really interesting part of the museum. 
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Clemence on April 18, 2017, 01:57:05 PM
Are there any news of the works of renovation proceed?
Title: Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on January 27, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
Well, the pavilion interiors were actually rather grand. Not in my humble opinion feasible for reconstruction really, the fabrics etc. Notwithstanding, the ceilings, frescoes and etc should be done and preserved. Dont get me wrong, Id love to see the whole thing recreated, just trying to be realistic for once 😊