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Title: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: grandduchessella on December 30, 2005, 11:15:47 PM
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Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 05, 2007, 07:52:06 PM
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Aleksandr Mikhailovich & Tatiana Nikolaevna
(AM, aka "Sandro", was married to Ksenia Aleksandrovna,
the emperor's sister, and was, therefore, OTMAA's uncle)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/sandrotatiana.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/sandrotatiana.jpg)

Irina, Ksenia & Vassili
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/irinaxeniavassili.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/irinaxeniavassili.jpg)

Sandro
(Aleksandr Mikailovich, the emperor's brother-in-law, as well as his cousin)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/sandro.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/sandro.jpg)

grand duchess Ksenia Aleksandrovna with princess Ksenia Andreievna of Russia, 1919
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/xeniaetxeniaandreievna.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/xeniaetxeniaandreievna.jpg)


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
Old Sandro

(http://i39.tinypic.com/m921x3.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
He still have eyes of a kid, despite his age.  ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: RealAnastasia on April 27, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
And he still was a very handsome man, with a sweet smile.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 29, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/eiqbdu.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 18, 2010, 11:24:09 AM
young and handsome

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2zogo47.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 18, 2010, 11:27:39 AM
That he certainly was...but also dreamy, impractical and selfish too as Xenia was to discover.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 18, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
..but also dreamy, impractical..... too as Xenia was to discover.

Why do you say this? - Alexander Mikhailovich was one of the most forceful and opinionated characters around Nicholas II in his early years, a guiding light of the Russian navy and air force and one of the few Romanovs who made a career after the revolution, though he was over 50 when he left Russia. He was a popular lecturer and his books sold; his sons could well have emulated him; but they didn't. They were the people who dreamed and were wholly impractical, it seems to me. Alexander Mikhailovich was a "maverick", a menace and a sharp, cynical, distinctive personality, not a drippy princeling like so many of his relatives.....
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
In his memoirs he wrote of his desire to live in the islands with his lady friend. Sandro also invested what he had in ventures that end up in smoke. He also been quoted as saying that Anna Anderson was not Anastasia, but his niece's spirit lives in her. That is why she knew so much about the Romanovs. Not a very practical man if you ask me, but to be fair none of the exiled Romanovs was able to adapt to civilian life with much success (except a few).
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 19, 2010, 12:44:57 PM
In his memoirs he wrote of his desire to live in the islands with his lady friend. Sandro also invested what he had in ventures that end up in smoke. He also been quoted as saying that Anna Anderson was not Anastasia, but his niece's spirit lives in her. That is why she knew so much about the Romanovs. Not a very practical man if you ask me, but to be fair none of the exiled Romanovs was able to adapt to civilian life with much success (except a few).

Sandro had many ventures - some succeeded, some failed, as is always the way with ambitious people. But at least he HAD ideas and ambition, and his published statements are all calculated for effect. To call someone "dreamy", IMHO, brings to mind the likes of Grand Duke Paul who wanted nothing more than a quiet life following a routine with his family - or Nicholas II, with his notions about divine destiny. Or Xenia herself, absolutely unable to cope with the practicalities of life after the revolution. It doesn't seem to me to belong with a forceful, opinionated character like AM, whatever his successes and failures....
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2010, 01:05:15 PM
At least Xenia wasn't the first to cheat on their marriage. Sandro however was honest about it and I do admire him for that. In his ghost written bio, he discussed about his marriage and his mistress quite openly (even more than Charles was able to do so with Dimblebee about Camilla) and his restlessness and eager for freedom. For that part I can see why people like Alicky would dismiss him "Poor Xenia married to that person". To say it more positively he was an idealist in many ways, but to the establishment he was someone not very dependable.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 20, 2010, 12:18:03 PM
To say it more positively he was an idealist in many ways, but to the establishment he was someone not very dependable.

I can certainly agree with THIS assessment!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: ashdean on May 20, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
At least Xenia wasn't the first to cheat on their marriage. Sandro however was honest about it and I do admire him for that. In his ghost written bio, he discussed about his marriage and his mistress quite openly (even more than Charles was able to do so with Dimblebee about Camilla) and his restlessness and eager for freedom. For that part I can see why people like Alicky would dismiss him "Poor Xenia married to that person". To say it more positively he was an idealist in many ways, but to the establishment he was someone not very dependable.
Dimblebee!!!?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2010, 01:25:28 PM
Dimbleby. Sorry for the spelling error.  ;D
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on June 02, 2010, 02:17:13 AM
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/766/4256208753a497e902ea.jpg)

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5923/4256208903fcdaa4b0e6.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 02, 2010, 09:59:25 AM
Nice photo of Sandro. In France ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 27, 2010, 10:01:02 AM
Dandy Sandro

(http://i46.tinypic.com/313gky1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on June 30, 2010, 03:53:51 AM
Aleksander Mikhailovich in historical costume
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6695/ba7yd9.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 30, 2010, 07:39:19 AM
Thats from the winter ball in 1903
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on June 30, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
Thats from the winter ball in 1903

Yes, that's  well known picture of him in historical costume from that famous  ball.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 30, 2010, 01:31:34 PM
i think i ve seen the full version of that one. I loved Ksenia and Sandro`s  costumes, in special hers.!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on June 30, 2010, 01:51:20 PM
Indeed there is full version of this picture, but I posted it here cause the quality was quite good.

If we talking about all those costumes from that ball in 1903 - I like especially this one in which  Andrei Vladimirovich was dressed. Misha had also splendid one (poor Mishkin, he lost a diamond clip in the cap that nightXD).
Tsar and Tsarina had in my opinion the worst costumes of all.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 30, 2010, 01:58:56 PM
Yes!!!! the best dressed were Ksenia, Sandro and  Zenaida Yussupova *0*
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: ashdean on June 30, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
Indeed there is full version of this picture, but I posted it here cause the quality was quite good.

If we talking about all those costumes from that ball in 1903 - I like especially this one in which  Andrei Vladimirovich was dressed. Misha had also splendid one (poor Mishkin, he lost a diamond clip in the cap that nightXD).
Tsar and Tsarina had in my opinion the worst costumes of all.
Grand Duchess George (Minnie of Greece) had a dreadful outfit...made her look very dumpy!
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2010, 02:27:35 PM
Well...Hers was not the best of the bunch I will agree.  ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: grandduchessella on June 30, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
There's a thread on the 1903 ball if anyone wants to see all the Romanovs and their costumes, as well as many of the other participants.

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=251.0
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: ashanti01 on July 02, 2010, 09:56:49 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/cph3c03982u.jpg)
Grand Duke Alexander.

Can anyone ID the three men with him?? 
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 03, 2010, 09:46:49 AM
i saw that pic on ebay and it only says it was taken in 1870s, which is obviously a wrong date


Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Svetabel on July 05, 2010, 12:46:27 AM
The photo is from the late 1880s, the years of Alexander's travels. I saw it in some book,there were no ID.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 05, 2010, 03:20:58 PM
Was the photo published before ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on July 07, 2010, 09:02:57 AM
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8003/zaralex2.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2010, 11:42:45 AM
Russian Newspaper ? Too small to read the letters.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 07, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
French. I can read "Les" and "Grand duc"
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on July 08, 2010, 07:53:58 AM
It's indeed in French.
The full description is: "Les fiançailles du Grand Duc Mikhailovich avec la fille ainee du Tsar Alexandre III"
"The engagement between Grand Duke Mikhailovich and the elder daughter of Tsar Alexander III"
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: grandduchessella on July 09, 2010, 08:47:34 AM
I think it's from Le Petit Journal. The frequently published color double portraits like this.
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Post by: Olgasha on July 14, 2010, 01:56:52 PM
GD Aleksander Mikhailovich (centre) among officers
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9148/sandro1.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on July 15, 2010, 12:34:55 PM
Sandro with his sons Andrei, Feodor and Nikita (and with some others).
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4897/sandro1910.jpg)
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Post by: katmaxoz on August 03, 2010, 04:04:18 AM

c1900 Grand Duchess Xenia & her children Irine, Andrei, Feodor (seated on sofa) and Nicholas (being held).

(http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/45524/2978236880102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2978236880102753164XeHYWT)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 09:08:31 AM
Taken at their villa ?
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: katmaxoz on August 03, 2010, 04:53:03 PM
Taken at their villa ?

At St Petersburg.

Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Olgasha on August 04, 2010, 01:20:18 PM
c1900 Grand Duchess Xenia & her children Irine, Andrei, Feodor (seated on sofa) and Nicholas (being held).

It's Nikita. She hadn't a son named Nicholas.;-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2010, 01:51:27 PM
Thanks for the correction. I was wondering about that. One of them should be named after their uncle, The Tsar.
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Post by: ashdean on August 04, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
Thanks for the correction. I was wondering about that. One of them should be named after their uncle, The Tsar.
The couple were quite right in NOT naming their children after family members..giving each and all individual names that stood out in the crowd (although there was another Dimitri & Andrei).
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 04, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Hi,

Yes, it is refreshing to have some unusual names in the Russian Imperial Family.
There are far too many Nicholases, Alexanders, Marias and Olgas.
Cheers to Vladimir, Cyril and Tatiana and my favourite - Rastislav...

Larry
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Post by: ashanti01 on August 05, 2010, 01:18:14 AM
Besides, the names Andrei and Dmitri the rest of the children had pretty original names when compared to the rest of the family. I agree with Ashdean, it's best to stand out. Does anyone know why exactly they picked the names they did? Even Irina was a departure from the traditional family names for girls.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2010, 10:28:30 AM
St Irene was a saint of the Eastern Orthodox Church, she was an Brysantine Empress.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 05, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
 Alexander was simply a cad. Xenia a snob. IMO.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
They were both born in the Russian Imperial Family.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on August 05, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
So what ? That does not stop them from being a cad  and a snob.
 BTW, there are 5 St Irenes. The Byzantine empress is venerated by both the Western and the Eastern  Christian Churches.  She instituted a reconciliation and   was instrumental in  resolving the iconoclast heresy.
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Post by: amartin71718 on August 05, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
Alexander was simply a cad. Xenia a snob. IMO.
What makes you say that? I'm just curious because I don't know much about them.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on August 05, 2010, 02:24:13 PM
OK, fair question.
  GD Alexander  ran around a lot, and left his wife to fend for herself with their boatlad of kids., whilst he came to America to sell his books and spout  ethereal messages from  "the outer world".
 Xenia,  doing only what she knew how to do, relied on the largess of her mother and the the RF of Britain.  At least her sister Olga tried to make her own way, away from all the court pretense and fallacy.
 That is my take on them.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: ashdean on August 05, 2010, 02:45:28 PM
OK, fair question.
  GD Alexander  ran around a lot, and left his wife to fend for herself with their boatlad of kids., whilst he came to America to sell his books and spout  ethereal messages from  "the outer world".
 Xenia,  doing only what she knew how to do, relied on the largess of her mother and the the RF of Britain.  At least her sister Olga tried to make her own way, away from all the court pretense and fallacy.
 That is my take on them.
I think you are mainly right.Alexander & Xenia had however more or less seperated and he was not allowed to enter the UK even if they had wanted to be together again...so his life far apart from her not surpriseing.
I think Xenia was very adept at wheedling....she knew how to get around folk...as an old neighbour of mine used to say about her sister "when it came to putting on the poor mouth and turning on the tears...she was a professional" I think that also summed up Xenia.
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Post by: amartin71718 on August 05, 2010, 03:22:32 PM
How come Sandro wasn't allowed into the UK?
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 05, 2010, 03:35:35 PM
Hi,

I didn't know Empress Irene was a saint...
I thought she was kind of a horrible person - gouging her own son's eyes out and usurping the throne.
I know she tried (along with the Pope) to reconcile the Orthodox & Roman churches and was a great admirer of Charlemagne, but she was awfully ruthless.
Anyway, if she's a saint, then I'm going out and buy myself a halo - a tarnished one, no doubt and worn slightly askew, but a halo non-the-less!!

I agree about Xenia being snobbish - she was always a Grand Duchess, but knew how to dawn 'her poverty dress' (that's an old saying from Poland)...

Larry
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Post by: Robert_Hall on August 05, 2010, 04:42:29 PM
Larry, I think anyone who wore a cross was declared a saint in those days. She was a nasty piece of work though.
 Sort of gave credence to the Russian claim of Byzantine heritage.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 05, 2010, 06:17:46 PM
How come Sandro wasn't allowed into the UK?

The British Labour Government had immediately recognized the revolutionary government. I believe they made the decision to ban all Grand Dukes from entering the country so as not to upset relations.  I don't know how long the ban lasted. GD Cyril and GD Dimitri later entered the country--Dimitri might have been exempted from the ban to begin with.

Still, Xenia and Sandra had ample opportunity to spend time together in France.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on August 05, 2010, 07:29:13 PM
I think there was more to it than that, GDElla.
 They were still officers in uniforms of a  defunct government. Which, as you said, the UK no longer recognised.
 Frankly, I do not think anyone knew what to do with them or what was even going on  with their status.
 The Allies just wanted Russia to stay in the war, at any cost.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2010, 01:28:18 AM
Which was stupid as once Lenin came back, he started the process to stop the war and make peace immediately with Germany. The Tsar and his family were friends of the allies but they were dumped as they were of little use after the revolution.
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Post by: rusmila on August 12, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Does GD Xenia Alexandrovna wrote memoars, and does anybody have link were I can read this(on Russian)?
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Post by: ashanti01 on August 12, 2010, 03:35:05 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/xenia/groupxenolgsandro-1.jpg)
GD Olga, GD Maria Georgievna, and GD Xenia with GD Michael behind unknown and GD Alexander. Don't know the others in the photo, perhaps someone could ID them.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 12, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
I love to see new pictures of Misha. Thank you!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 12, 2010, 11:55:49 PM
I don't see Misha here...
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Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2010, 12:51:12 AM
I don't see Misha here...

Mikhail is there. But there's no Maria Georgievna.
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Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2010, 12:51:52 AM
Does GD Xenia Alexandrovna wrote memoars, and does anybody have link were I can read this(on Russian)?

She didn't write any memoirs.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 13, 2010, 07:46:38 AM
I don't see Misha here...

He s beside Ksenia.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 13, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
Didn't look like him...
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Post by: Olgasha on August 13, 2010, 01:12:13 PM
Didn't look like him...

Maybe you think about someone else in that picture. I can recognize Misha at once.:-)
 
Thank you soooo much for posting, Ashanti!
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Post by: Olgasha on August 27, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
GD Aleksander Mikhailovich in the centre
(http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0904/45/f5b1ae363634t.jpg)
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Post by: PAVLOV on August 30, 2010, 07:45:30 AM
As far as I can tell, they owned Harax in Yalta, the palace in St Petersburg, and they had an apartment in Gatchina Palace.

I dont know of any others.   
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Post by: Svetabel on August 30, 2010, 10:54:04 AM
As far as I can tell, they owned Harax in Yalta

Harax was the estate of Georgiy Mikhailovitch, Alexander owned Ai-Todor.
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Post by: ashdean on August 30, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
They also owned a house in Paris.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 30, 2010, 07:08:24 PM
The house they settled after exile ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 01, 2010, 01:53:12 PM
Alexander and three of his kids on a aeroplane

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6758/img0085bde.jpg) (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/img0085bde.jpg/)
 
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Post by: Olgasha on September 28, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
Cigarette card with picture of GD Alexander Mikhailovich
(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/stockphotopro_14402ZBJ_0580010659.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 04:13:09 PM
i think this hasnt been posted before

(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2203/sedkvg.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/sedkvg.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Olgasha on October 06, 2010, 08:44:06 AM
GD Xenia with her sons
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2826/kseniazsynami.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 06, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
Who was the one with the camera ?
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Post by: Olgasha on October 06, 2010, 10:10:22 AM
That's Dmitri, I think.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 06, 2010, 10:34:24 AM
Thanks ! I think that was one of the eldest sons.
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Post by: Olgasha on October 06, 2010, 02:38:38 PM
I was talking about that one with the camera, who is standing next to Ksenia, not about that one on the right ( one of elder sons).
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 07, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
A cute drawn made by  Ksenia. 1888

(http://img-kiev.fotki.yandex.ru/get/4510/sergeenkoff-artem.2d/0_3fcce_69e4a6c7_orig)
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Post by: Olgasha on October 08, 2010, 07:23:16 AM
Ksenia, Sandro and their children
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4286/garf58.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on October 10, 2010, 12:01:45 PM
Ksenia and Sandro
(http://statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/436/rmf-087.jpg)
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Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on October 10, 2010, 12:20:23 PM
Ksenia and Sandro
(http://statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/436/rmf-087.jpg)

Olgasha,

Do you know when and where this picture was taken? As a military buff (field uniform of Sandro) I can say that during WWI, but can't name exact date.
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Post by: Svetabel on October 10, 2010, 12:32:20 PM

Olgasha,

Do you know when and where this picture was taken? As a military buff (field uniform of Sandro) I can say that during WWI, but can't name exact date.

The caption on the site from which the picture is from says that's Yelagin Palace's park, around the summer residence of Empress MF. 1915 year.
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Post by: mishaxenia on October 25, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
Grand duchess Xenia, Recognize the place? in what year approx ? is his home in Hampton Court ?
(http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/44085/2859205710105221653S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2859205710105221653rjduzD)
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Post by: mishaxenia on October 25, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
I also thought that xenia has around 75 -80 years in the photography.  Wilderness house ,I think a smaller house or had windows so big?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
I guess so. Xenia did not go out much at the later part of her life and stayed put at Wilderness House...
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Post by: ashanti01 on November 09, 2010, 03:07:29 PM
A very young GD Alexander
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/sandroyoung001-1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 15, 2010, 05:14:55 AM
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4272/14969810095641331141610.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/14969810095641331141610.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Nice pic of Xenia. Is that a jewelled butterfly on her hair ?  ;)
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Post by: Condecontessa on November 15, 2010, 07:28:01 PM
Can someone please translate the date on Xenia's pic please? If possible what the announcement is for?

Anyway's, thank you Katenka :)
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Post by: amartin71718 on November 15, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
From what I can tell, the date on the bottom left side is her birthday: March 25, 1875 (or April 6, 1875, the calendar difference thing always screws me up) The other one, January 24, may very well be her name day, but I am not entirely sure.
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Post by: Svetabel on November 16, 2010, 12:02:49 AM
From what I can tell, the date on the bottom left side is her birthday: March 25, 1875 (or April 6, 1875, the calendar difference thing always screws me up) The other one, January 24, may very well be her name day, but I am not entirely sure.

You are correct. There are her birthday and nameday.
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Grand Duke Aleksander, Cap Breton, 1931 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_788730capbreton1931jpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=788730capbreton1931jpg.jpg)
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Post by: Alan on November 26, 2010, 11:43:46 AM
Grand Duchess Zenia, sister of Nicholas II, died in a "grace and favour" house at Hampton Court, England. Grace and favour means she was allowed to live there courtesy of the monarch, in this case King George V. Does anyone know where she was buried? She is not in the Royal Burial Ground at Windsor which is predominantly for British royals and she would not be in St George's Chapel at Windsor Castle which is reserved for monarchs and their consorts.

Her sister Olga died in Toronto, Canada and photographs of her grave in York Cemetery in Toronto are published, but where is her sister? Incidentally their mother's remains were transferred from Denmark to St Peter and Paul Fortress church in recent years and is identified by a photograph of her on a stand by the grave, next to Alexander III, her husband.
Alan
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Post by: Dominic_Albanese on November 26, 2010, 11:58:45 AM
she's buried with her husband (Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich) in France.  I believd its "Roquebrune" France.

dca
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Post by: Svetabel on February 09, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
GD Alexander M. One of the best images of him I think

(http://www.picatom.com/1s/p0361-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1s/p0361-1.html)
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Post by: bednayaliza on March 20, 2011, 07:02:42 AM
(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4924/0010wg0k.th.jpg) (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/0010wg0k.jpg/)

Grand Duchess Xenia


(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1219/etlingereristovamariava.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/etlingereristovamariava.jpg/)

Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 20, 2011, 12:54:06 PM
Re Posting # 99:   A few years ago, I had the opportunity to study for a goodly bit at very close range (less than 12 inches) the original pastel/watercolor/colored pen of this portrait of the Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, and was quite impressed with the rendering of the eyes. They actually seemed "wet"!  It is, of course, NOT a miniature and is on paper.  It was done in 1882 at the time of his naval studies.   AP.
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 21, 2011, 06:39:28 AM
Not new but better quality:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/th_AlexanderM.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/?action=view&current=AlexanderM.jpg)
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Post by: mishaxenia on March 22, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Grand Duchess Zenia, sister of Nicholas II, died in a "grace and favour" house at Hampton Court, England. Grace and favour means she was allowed to live there courtesy of the monarch, in this case King George V. Does anyone know where she was buried? She is not in the Royal Burial Ground at Windsor which is predominantly for British royals and she would not be in St George's Chapel at Windsor Castle which is reserved for monarchs and their consorts.

Her sister Olga died in Toronto, Canada and photographs of her grave in York Cemetery in Toronto are published, but where is her sister? Incidentally their mother's remains were transferred from Denmark to St Peter and Paul Fortress church in recent years and is identified by a photograph of her on a stand by the grave, next to Alexander III, her husband.
Alan
the panoramic  burial-place of the Grand duke Alexander and Ksenia
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/47855/2509513880105221653S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2509513880105221653GYPePY)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 23, 2011, 08:50:24 AM
Xenia:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/th_xenia.jpg) (http://s1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/?action=view&current=xenia.jpg)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 26, 2011, 04:57:00 AM
Alexander:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/th_sandro.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/?action=view&current=sandro.jpg)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 27, 2011, 04:31:33 AM
Xenia, Alexander, Irina and Andrei:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/77009.jpg)
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Post by: historyfan on April 05, 2011, 10:06:36 PM
Tomorrow is the 136th birthday of GD Xenia.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 11, 2011, 01:08:02 PM
Ksenia and cousin Gdss Maria Georgievna AKA Gree Minny

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3302/img013c.jpg) (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/img013c.jpg/)
 
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on April 21, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
Alexander:
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/th_sandro-2.jpg) (http://s1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/?action=view&current=sandro-2.jpg)
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Post by: larri* on April 25, 2011, 11:37:50 AM
Close up of Alexander during the 1903 Masquerade Ball:
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2231/1903alexander.jpg) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/1903alexander.jpg/)

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Post by: bonbon823 on April 25, 2011, 05:21:40 PM
Wow, he looks a lot like Nicholas here...
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on April 26, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
Alexander and Xenia:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/th_alexanderxenia.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/?action=view&current=alexanderxenia.jpg)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on April 26, 2011, 11:52:39 AM
Alexander:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/th_pc_250411_15.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/?action=view&current=pc_250411_15.jpg)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 06, 2011, 09:57:34 AM
Alexander and Xenia:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/th_sandro-xenia.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Xenia%20and%20Alexander/?action=view&current=sandro-xenia.jpg)
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 09, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/pic001.jpg)
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Post by: historyfan on May 09, 2011, 10:00:06 PM
Xenia had very distinctive features.  I can always pick her out in a photo. 
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Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 10, 2011, 04:24:27 AM
Same thing here historyfan, Xebia had very distinctive features even when she was a little girl.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z401/v0yager/pic003.jpg)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on May 10, 2011, 10:48:05 AM
Who is the boy on the left?
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Post by: Olgasha on May 10, 2011, 03:24:14 PM
Who is the boy on the left?

That's Christopher of Greece.
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Post by: Olgasha on May 11, 2011, 06:20:16 AM
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2523/fyuo.jpg)

Ksenia
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 20, 2011, 12:06:04 PM
How old would you say she is there? About eleven, maybe, in 1886?
Does anybody have any exerpts of letters Xenia wrote when she was young?
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Post by: Svetabel on May 20, 2011, 12:33:32 PM
How old would you say she is there? About eleven, maybe, in 1886?
Does anybody have any exerpts of letters Xenia wrote when she was young?

There are her letters to a family friend Countess Alexandra Apraksina (Obolenskaya by her marriage) in on-line Russian resource. The collection contains letters from 1880s till 1910s.
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Post by: Olgasha on May 20, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
How old would you say she is there? About eleven, maybe, in 1886?
Does anybody have any exerpts of letters Xenia wrote when she was young?

According to the other picture (Ksenia with brothers) from the same session - yes, it's 1886, November 30.

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Post by: Svetabel on May 23, 2011, 05:33:56 AM
Dashing Alexander

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Alex3/1jpg.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2011, 08:29:17 AM
Alexander with brother Sergei hunting in India. Early 1890s.

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6928/pho01404.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
Great find ! Where did you find that photo ?
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Post by: ashdean on June 15, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
How old would you say she is there? About eleven, maybe, in 1886?
Does anybody have any exerpts of letters Xenia wrote when she was young?

There are her letters to a family friend Countess Alexandra Apraksina (Obolenskaya by her marriage) in on-line Russian resource. The collection contains letters from 1880s till 1910s.
The widowed "Aprak" Obolenskaya left Russia with the Xenia on the Marlborough. Princess Obolenskaya died in France.
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Post by: Alixz on June 20, 2011, 01:48:43 PM
I just saw a photo on sale on eBay where "Sandro"  is listed as the "grandson of Nicholas II".

For Pete's sake!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 20, 2011, 07:27:43 PM
Someone put an extra "I" in Nicholas!! xD
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Post by: Alixz on June 21, 2011, 09:28:43 AM
I got a reply from the email I sent to the seller.  He says that is exactly what he did and he was going to change it!
He also asked me if I wanted to buy the card.  At nearly $900, I don't think so.
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Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 01, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
Vice admiral and military aviation patron GD Alexander Mikhailovich visiting graduation at the Sevastopol Aviation school. ~ 1913.

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4171/e646b6e296c0asasasas.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/e646b6e296c0asasasas.jpg/)
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Post by: primrose on December 05, 2011, 01:21:33 AM
Lot No: 155
Ksenia (Xenia) Alexandrovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (6 April 1875 – 20 April 1960)

PERSONAL ILLUSTRATED INVENTORIES OF JEWELLERY AND BIBELOTS FROM 24TH JUNE 1880 TO 1905, AND OF JEWELLERY FROM 12 JANUARY 1894 TO 25 MARCH 1912, IN TWO VOLUMES, AND OF JEWELLERY FROM 12 JANUARY 1894 TO 25 MARCH 1912, IN TWO VOLUMES 
the first, smaller, volume from 1880-1905.

I have been watching this recently completed auction at Bonham's with great interest and am amazed at the price these two illustrated 'journals' have brought. See link below for details and illustrations:

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/sale/18991/lot/155/#
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Post by: Svetabel on December 05, 2011, 01:26:21 PM
Xenia in Denmark with her Uncle Waldemar and cousin George of Greece

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/xeniageorgwaldem1ar.jpg)

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Post by: THERRY on December 06, 2011, 04:55:31 AM
In this photo the Grand Duchess Xenia looks very much like her mother. The photograph is of 1898?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 06, 2011, 06:17:33 AM
Acording Ksenia ´s blouse, its from mids 1890s.
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Post by: blessOTMA on December 06, 2011, 06:49:58 AM
you mean its  "mutton chop" sleeves? ( big at the top)?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 06, 2011, 08:10:16 AM
or "jam sleeves" as we know it here in latinamerica xD.
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Post by: Svetabel on December 06, 2011, 01:48:58 PM
In this photo the Grand Duchess Xenia looks very much like her mother. The photograph is of 1898?

I think that's 1895.
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Post by: Alixz on December 07, 2011, 01:13:36 PM
I had heard those sleeves called "leg of mutton". Interesting how many different descriptions there are of the same sleeve.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 07, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
Yup. You can tell why over here we call it "jam sleeves"

http://www.alimentosdondiego.com.ec/wp-content/339000-91-011.jpg

xD
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Post by: TimM on December 16, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
How do you pronounce Xenia?  I've been saying "Zenia".  Is that correct?
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Post by: Svetabel on December 17, 2011, 08:39:33 AM
How do you pronounce Xenia?  I've been saying "Zenia".  Is that correct?

Correct pronounce is Kse-nya.
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Post by: TimM on December 17, 2011, 11:37:47 AM
Oh, okay.  I wasn't sure.  Thanks, Svetlana.
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Post by: cebi26 on January 24, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
Does anyone have pictures of Xenia in her later years (like in the time of her death)?
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 12, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/000f3se4.jpg)

Xenia's grandchildren-  (right to left) Irina, Xenia, Michael and Fyodor
 
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Post by: THERRY on March 13, 2012, 06:52:32 AM
This is a wonderful photo, too bad it's so small. I wonder if one day we will see greater and better defined?
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Post by: NorahB on September 26, 2012, 04:31:56 PM
John Van Der Kiste and Coryne Hall state in their book on Grand Duchess Xenia, that Mara Sanders was companion to the Grand Duchess from about 1937 to 1947 at Wilderness House.  Does anyone have any information on Mara Sanders?  Thank you.
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 19, 2013, 08:29:23 AM
Xenia 1920s :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/293236201202041724334.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=293236201202041724334.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
In St. Petersburg or Crimea ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
Since it was after the Russian Revolution, I would say neither.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
South of France ?
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Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
In St. Petersburg or Crimea ?

That's 1919, south of  France
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2013, 12:41:39 AM
Thanks. I think it was before Xenia move to England.
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Post by: Lady Macduff on January 21, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
I know Olga and Tatiana were very close to Irina growing up, but most of the letters I've read from the imperial family make no mention of Ksenia or Sandro. There are dozens of pictures of the girls with their aunt Olga, but hardly any with their other maternal aunts and uncles. Did Nicholas and Alexandra purposely keep their children away from the pair because of the adultery and drama surrounding them?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
I think Olga & Tatiana were close to their cousin Irina, daughter of Xenia & Sandro. But I don't think Alexandra like them very much. especially they produced so many sons...
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Post by: historyfan on January 22, 2013, 08:58:59 AM
I think Olga & Tatiana were close to their cousin Irina, daughter of Xenia & Sandro. But I don't think Alexandra like them very much. especially they produced so many sons...

Alexandra and Xenia got along wonderfully in the beginning. Their letters to each other are evidence of that. Their feelings for each other, as time went on, had to do more with politics, differences of opinion, etc. Not that Xenia had sons. That's conjecture. Lots of people had sons.
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Post by: edubs31 on January 22, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
I think Olga & Tatiana were close to their cousin Irina, daughter of Xenia & Sandro. But I don't think Alexandra like them very much. especially they produced so many sons...

Alexandra and Xenia got along wonderfully in the beginning. Their letters to each other are evidence of that. Their feelings for each other, as time went on, had to do more with politics, differences of opinion, etc. Not that Xenia had sons. That's conjecture. Lots of people had sons.

I agree with HistoryFan and think, as was often the case with Alexandra, that it was it the relationship with Rasputin that fractured many of her close ties with other members of the imperial family. Olga A. seemed more easy going and receptive towards Nicky and Alix's relationship with the Starets even though she did not like him personally. But I believe Xenia, like her mother, was more outspoken about what she considered to be a legitimate threat to the family.
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 22, 2013, 11:28:49 AM
'Not that Xenia had sons. That's conjecture. Lots of people had sons.'
 
 It's true that lots of people had sons, but Xenia had no fewer than six in succession, without, apparently, any difficulty whatsoever, in the space of ten years, and all in robust health.

We read frequently nowadays that infertile women often find it very difficult to deal with those who produce children easily, so it would not be surprising if Xenia's constantly increasing brood of healthy sons created tensions between her and Alexandra.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2013, 06:45:57 PM
I think that is the real reason. Alexandra couldn't stand being compared with her sister-in-law, who produced more boys than her and more easily. That is the reason Alexandra bonded with Olga much better than Xenia.
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Post by: Lady Macduff on January 22, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
Minor trifle: I've been studying the Romanovs for years and still do not know how to pronounce Xenia.
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Post by: historyfan on January 22, 2013, 09:02:09 PM
I think that is the real reason. Alexandra couldn't stand being compared with her sister-in-law, who produced more boys than her and more easily. That is the reason Alexandra bonded with Olga much better than Xenia.

Who compared Alexandra with Xenia?

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2013, 09:32:02 PM
Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna, her mother-in-law and the court in general. Even Ducky wrote that it must be hard for her to go on after each girl was born, just to look at the success of Xenia in getting boys.
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Post by: Svetabel on January 22, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
Well, the discussion AS ALWAYS turns to Empress Alexandra and any other questions only not about the topic. The question of LadyMacduff was about relationship of Xenia and  OTMAA.

Please DO stay in topic.
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 23, 2013, 04:15:23 AM
Svetabel

With respect, Alexandra controlled access to her children. Therefore her relations with Xenia are relevant to this question.

As I understand it, meetings between OTMAA and Xenia's boys were relatively infrequent, not least because the boys were considered 'rough', and therefore not suitable company for Alexei (see van der Kiste).

Ann
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Post by: Svetabel on January 23, 2013, 04:40:30 AM
Svetabel

With respect, Alexandra controlled access to her children. Therefore her relations with Xenia are relevant to this question.



Ann

I undestand this, but I also know to what direction such discussions usually lead - to the neverending talk about Empress Alexandra's personality. That's why my reminder about staying in topic.
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 23, 2013, 07:58:25 AM
I see your point.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2013, 09:37:24 AM
I think Irina is close to the two bigger girls, but may not extend to their eldest Aunt.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 23, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
Minor trifle: I've been studying the Romanovs for years and still do not know how to pronounce Xenia.
Another way to spell it is Ksenia, so basically KS together...the best way I can think of to write the way I say it is Ksaynya...I have talked with someone who has studied Russian and had a couple lessons so I think that's the way to say it...experts feel free to correct me!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2013, 06:37:01 PM
Is Xenia the English spelling of the name ? It is used in all the English books about her and the family.
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Post by: Forum Admin on January 24, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
Xenia is the accepted English spelling.  The pronunciation is "Kseynia"
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2013, 08:55:02 AM
Thanks for the pronunciation. I usually call her Zen-ya.
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Post by: Lady Macduff on January 24, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/88/tumblrmh57pcsvnj1rrnhz4.jpg)

OTMAA and Xenia's kids at Massandra, 1909. Nobody looks very happy.
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 25, 2013, 03:37:50 AM
The boy on the left looks thoroughly bored.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2013, 08:26:28 AM
Don't think Irina was there too.
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Post by: historyfan on January 25, 2013, 08:55:14 PM
Can anyone ID all of Xenia's children in the photo above?
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Post by: Lady Macduff on January 25, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
I know Rostislav is the one in Tatiana's arms.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
Not easy to tell as the photo is a bit blurred.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 25, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
I know Rostislav is the one in Tatiana's arms.

Wouldn't it be Vassili? The picture is dated as 1909 and he was born in the summer of 1907. Rostislav was born in 1902 which would make him between Anastasia and Alexei. It looks like all Xenia's boys are there plus NAOTMAA. Maybe Irina took the photo. :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2013, 08:14:38 AM
Could be since Irina was not in it. Or maybe she was visiting her grandmother and Xenia took the picture ?
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Post by: TulinnDon on January 26, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Why did Grand Duke Aleksander Mikhailovich marry Grand Duchess Ksenia Aleksandrovna
(the emperor's sister, and OTMAA's uncle) really near in the family relationship ?

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Post by: grandduchessella on January 26, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
It seems to have originally been a love match, at least on Xenia's part (I don't know that much about Alexander's feelings). They weren't first cousins so there was no prohibition. Plus, for Alexander, the Tsar's daughter--rich, attractive, connected to most of the royal families in Europe--would have been a premier match. Alexander had written back when Xenia was only 14 that he thought she liked him and by the time she was 15 she wanted to marry him. Her parents were originally wary of the match, unsure of his character and worried about her age but consented shortly before her 19th birthday. More of the relationship is in John van der Kiste & Coryn Hall's book Once a Grand Duchess.
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Post by: TulinnDon on January 26, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
Thank you : I shall look for this book ; does this book exist in french ?
The thing is I am specially interested in Grand Duke Alexander Mickhaïlovitch and his feelings.
Has he had any famous mistress (and eventually child/children) at around this same period when he marries Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna ?
- Could it be the reason why his feelings are not known ?
- Could it be a reason why GD Xenia Alexandrovna's parents were originally wary of the match, unsure of his character ?
I have read on this forum about a mistress someone and you called F.'s wife : but this period 1893-1896, interests me specially.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Indeed. There is something very restless about Sandro that is not very stable. He dream big dreams but do not have staying power.
The book to read is "Once A Grand Duke" ghost written but all his own words and ideas.
Xenia loved her handsome husband but did not understood him.  She could do much better by marrying Georgie (George V), who is much more stable.
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 27, 2013, 07:00:05 AM
'She could do much better by marrying Georgie (George V), who is much more stable.'

By the time Xenia, born in April 1875, was really of marriageable age, George was already married (6 July 1893).

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 27, 2013, 09:57:51 AM
And they were first cousins.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2013, 10:56:33 AM
Well...I just said he is more of a solid type. Another would be the Greek & Danish Cousins. Sandro is a good choice on paper and bad as a person. When one reads his bio, he is always wanting to break away.
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Post by: TulinnDon on January 27, 2013, 12:51:24 PM
"When one reads his bio, he is always wanting to break away."
- Is this marriage more due to Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna's feelings than to Grand Duke Alexander Mikhaïlovitch's feelings ?
- Was she alone to decide ? who in her family was involved in the decision ?
- If "Her parents were originally wary of the match, unsure of his character", why have they changed their mind ?
- Can Tsar Alexander III's death (1st November 1894) - just 3 months after her marriage (6th August 1894) - have an influence in a way or another : was Tsar Alexander III ill as she married ? If yes, can it be imaginable that he wanted to marry her daughter before his approaching end of life ?
- for reading Grand Duke Alexander Mikhaïlovitch's bio, I shall read it as soon as I can find it.   
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2013, 01:20:24 AM
I think Sandro loved Xenia and wanted to marry her. Her feelings lasted while his faded in time.
Sandro was the first to have a mistress, although Xenia later too had an affair. However she never thought about or would agree to a divorce.
Sandro once thought about running away with his mistress to live in an island. That is how practical he was.
Minny held on to Xenia for selfish reasons, but I agree Alexander III did wanted to see her married off before his death.
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Post by: kayleon on February 09, 2013, 06:04:47 PM
I've been looking for a bio or more information on Grand Duchess Xenia.  Much has been written about Grand Duchess Olga and her 'other life; in Canada, but little is said about Xenia's 'other life' as a divorcee in Paris.  Any suggestions???
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 09, 2013, 06:55:57 PM
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=415.0

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=4299.0
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Post by: kayleon on February 11, 2013, 11:37:04 AM
Thank you, Carolath.  I've also found a bio that I can order.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2013, 12:11:48 PM
Excellent!!

And you welcome ;-)
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Post by: mishaxenia on February 12, 2013, 09:34:35 AM

The Grand Dukes in France

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/8302/img0002ytd.jpg
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2013, 12:09:22 AM
Was that Sandro & Xenia in the background?
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Post by: mishaxenia on February 13, 2013, 05:38:11 AM
Is  an old postcard with the written : the sister of Tsar and the Grand Duke Alexander nearby Biarritz .
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2013, 10:34:56 AM
I think it looks like Xenia. I wonder when it was taken ?
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Post by: mishaxenia on February 14, 2013, 07:49:40 AM
Unfortunately it is not dated, but I think around 1913
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 14, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
They do not look like in holiday mode though...
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 14, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
2 of Xenia's personal albums are going up for auction:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=51310#.UWo_8pNQGPM
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 14, 2013, 07:57:19 AM
Are you sure ? The wording said 2011...
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Post by: Forum Admin on April 14, 2013, 09:49:08 AM
yes, that sale was November 2011.  One of Xenia's descendants offered them for sale. They sold for about $270,000.
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 14, 2013, 05:43:57 PM
Ah, my error. *blush* The date on the artdaily site (in the right corner) had the current date--I didn't notice the date actually listed in the article.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 14, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
I wonder who bought them. Cartier ?
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Post by: Forum Admin on April 15, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
A private collector bought them.  It had been hoped by the family that they would be used for a book, similar to the one done with Nicholas II's similar albums.  Sadly, that did not happen.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 15, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
Yes. Like the private diary of Grand Duchess Helen of Russia (Princess Nicholas of Greece) was bought by a private collector (Greek) and never heard of since...
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on May 11, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
I found a picture of GDS Xenia a on a site allworldwars.com in a section of Russo-Japanese war photos by Victor Bulla. She is a group photo of hospital train staff near their train. I first thought it might be her mother but others have Identified her as xenia. She also sonpsored a hospital train during WW I.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 12, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
Yes. Xenia also did war work, but it was her sister Olga that got the most credit.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on May 18, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
I put this on an Olga As posting but I will add this here on the Wikipedia posting siege of Przemysl there is a youtube video fall of Przemysl which towards the end has a film clip of Nicholas meeting with Xenia in black and Olga A in a nurses uniform. Just thought you would be interested. This in 1915.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 18, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Indeed we are. Don't think Xenia dressed up as sisters of mercy uniform like Olga & Alicky.
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Post by: historyfan on May 21, 2013, 10:04:11 PM
She didn't, because she didn't act as a nurse. Hers was an administrative role - no less important. Xenia had several hospital trains/facilities, didn't she?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 22, 2013, 02:52:49 PM
I think so...I think Miechen had a similar role.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on June 11, 2013, 04:55:03 AM
(http://samoderzhavnaya.ru/media/photo/thormeyer/normal/ksenia_1888.png)
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Post by: Ally Kumari on June 11, 2013, 05:04:55 AM
The young couple with Nicholas

(http://samoderzhavnaya.ru/media/photo/thormeyer/large/23.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2013, 01:42:18 PM
She signed her name Ksenia.
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Post by: historyfan on June 11, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
I wonder if it was taken before or after Nicholas became Tsar? (I notice it's dated 1894). I'm afraid uniforms don't give me much clues in these cases...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2013, 10:30:39 PM
I think before.
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Post by: Kalafrana on June 12, 2013, 03:08:18 AM
I think before, as in the immediate aftermath of  Alexander III's death Xenia would be in black and both Nicholas and Sandro would have black armbands.

Nicholas carried on wearing Colonel's insignia after his accession, so the uniform won't help much.

Ann
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 12, 2013, 08:36:46 AM
Two more of the same photoshoot

(http://imageshack.us/a/img850/948/144ky.jpg)


With Nicholas. Credits on the image

(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/7531/xeniaalexandrovnagrande.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2013, 10:14:43 AM
Xenia looked very wide eyed here.
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Post by: Veronica on June 12, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
Another one from the same session

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9236/copiadexenias0j8.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
This one made her look worn out...
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Post by: historyfan on June 12, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
I think before, as in the immediate aftermath of  Alexander III's death Xenia would be in black and both Nicholas and Sandro would have black armbands.


Ah, good point. I just wonder why only Nicholas is in the photo if he is not yet Tsar? Simply because he's the oldest brother?
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Post by: Veronica on June 12, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
I think these photos could be from their engagement, in January 1894. Probably more photos were taken with the rest of  the  family.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 13, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I am sure one must be with the Empress.
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Post by: Kimberly on September 18, 2013, 07:31:14 AM
Hi all, the author, Leanda de Lisle ( and god-daughter of Xenia), has asked me to direct you to this rather beautiful image of GD Xenia. I think she looks incredibly like Minnie in this photo :-)
http://blog.leandadelisle.com/post/61580358184/imperial-russia-grand-duchess-xenia (http://blog.leandadelisle.com/post/61580358184/imperial-russia-grand-duchess-xenia)

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 18, 2013, 08:48:23 AM
What an honour to our very own Gdss Ally (who colorized that image) to being featured by her!!! . She always does a beautiful colorizing work!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2013, 12:54:12 PM
I read somewhere that Xenia had an affair of her own after Sandro had been unfaithful for years. I wonder who her lover was ?
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Post by: Jen_94 on September 18, 2013, 01:16:08 PM
Hi all, the author, Leanda de Lisle ( and god-daughter of Xenia), has asked me to direct you to this rather beautiful image of GD Xenia. I think she looks incredibly like Minnie in this photo :-)
http://blog.leandadelisle.com/post/61580358184/imperial-russia-grand-duchess-xenia (http://blog.leandadelisle.com/post/61580358184/imperial-russia-grand-duchess-xenia)



That's incredibly beautiful! Ally's colourings are always stunning and I agree, Xenia looks very much like Minnie, have always thought that.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2013, 04:28:15 PM
Xenia had always been known to resemble her mother in looks.
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Post by: Jen_94 on September 19, 2013, 12:49:30 PM
Yes, I've always agreed with those who say that, definitely.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 20, 2013, 06:31:28 AM
What an honour for me indeed! Never would have thought a fanart I do as a hobby would reach this far....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
I think there are more of the Russian Imperial Family.
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Post by: Jen_94 on September 21, 2013, 05:13:08 AM
What an honour for me indeed! Never would have thought a fanart I do as a hobby would reach this far....

Well, it did! You definitely have an amazing talent!
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Post by: Forum Admin on September 21, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Hi guys.  Not meaning to stop discussion, but this is a thread about Xenia and Sandro really, so all the "congratulations" and "that's beautiful" start to take things OT, and clutter up the threads.  Those comments are best for PMs.

Thanks and carry on!

FA
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2013, 12:48:34 PM
Yes...I was asking a question about Xenia's lover. I guess nobody know...
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Post by: Forum Admin on September 23, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
Eric,

In a book called "Red Princess" - the revolutionary life, love affairs, and adventures of Princess Sophy Dolgorouky, by Sofka Zinovieff. (Pegasus Books, New York: ISBN:978-1-60598-009-6, 2008) the author says that the GD Xenia (Nicholas II's sister) had a love affair with Prince Sergei Dolgorouky who was an equerry to her mother, the Dowager Empress Marie. In 1917 he, Xenia and her children, and Empress Marie were under guard at Ai Todor in the Crimea when his wife whom he had married three years earlier apparently committed suicide when she discovered that her marriage was a covenient screen for Sergei's long-standing affair with the GD Xenia.

There was a mention of  Xenia's affair in Maylunas & Mironenko's "A Lifelong Passion", but her lover wasn't named.
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Post by: historyfan on September 23, 2013, 08:54:13 PM
Her alleged lover was French, I believe, and referred to only as "F". In the same source where that came from (was it Lifelong Passion? Can't remember), it was alleged that Sandro had an affair with "F"s wife.

*sigh*...
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 23, 2013, 11:01:09 PM
 possibility GD Xenia had more than one lover. who knows?...

 I have read in "Xenia, once a Grand Duchess” that 'F' was an English named 'Fane' possibly his surname but no one knows. However it is also rumor that "F" is Prince Sergei Dolgorouky, it’s difficult to get the facts straight since the truth about the affair is long gone and that GD Xenia never write about his real name or national identity. Perhaps will always be a mystery until new facts pop up.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 24, 2013, 06:06:05 PM
Indeed. I don't think Ksenia start looking for lovers until Sandro began his many affairs. From the number of their children, they must be physically well matched couple. But I think Sandro was bored and wanted excitement than a family life like his cousin Konstantin & Marva.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 24, 2013, 07:22:52 PM
Not really, GD Xenia had no affairs until after Prince Vasili was born and when she found out that GD Alexander has and was being unfaithful to her. As for the Grand Duke, not surprising he had affairs (I believe by 1900, he started), as Imperial Family members aren’t really faithful marriage partners in general, rarely you get a faithful husband in the Romanov Family.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 25, 2013, 09:40:43 AM
I think Tsar Alexander III was faithful to his wife and so did his sons. Both Serge & Paul were faithful to their wives too. As for Sandro, according to his own autobio has always been restless.
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Post by: mishaxenia on October 19, 2013, 05:06:29 AM
Xenia 1920s :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/293236201202041724334.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=293236201202041724334.jpg)





recently I saw an original of this photo is dated by GD Ksenia, 1916 , but I have not recognized the place perhaps in Crimea.
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Post by: mishaxenia on October 19, 2013, 05:11:02 AM
recently I saw an original of this photo is dated by GD Ksenia, 1916 , but I have not recognized the place perhaps in Crimea
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2013, 11:39:39 AM
Very possible.
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Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 19, 2014, 07:02:49 AM
Paul Gilbert reports that 22 photo albums of G. D. Alexander Mikhailovich's family have been found in England, taken by children's English tutor, Herbert Stewart.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1453279/rare-insight-into-russian-royalty-22-photo-albums-discovered-in-uk-museum/

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Post by: Kalafrana on February 19, 2014, 08:59:33 AM
Interesting. I wonder whether the albums will be published online, or at any rate a selection of them.

Grand Duchess Xenia seems to have relied on Mr Stewart quite a bit during her early years in England. John van der Kiste mentions that he sorted out her financial crises at least once.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2014, 09:29:12 AM
I hope so too. Love to know more about the Stewart story.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 19, 2014, 12:41:34 PM
Paul Gilbert reports that 22 photo albums of G. D. Alexander Mikhailovich's family have been found in England, taken by children's English tutor, Herbert Stewart.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1453279/rare-insight-into-russian-royalty-22-photo-albums-discovered-in-uk-museum/



They have been known for about a year (with the new exhibit) and some are already digitized online-- though Gilbert may have just become aware of them--they just haven't been on display outside of the Stewart Museum. Either that or there are 2 separate album collections of Stewarts. The story came out first in the Yorkshire Post as both museums are housed there. Gilbert pretty much lifted the entire Yorkshire news article without attribution (including photo) which wasn't very well done in my opinion. The full article:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/rare-insight-into-russian-royalty-1-6443546

They are housed at The National Media Museum at Bradford in Yorkshire, probably in the National Photography Collection. The Stewart Museum has his diaries and, while they were on loan to the Beverly House for research, gave the location of the albums which had somehow been forgotten over the years.

"Between 1908 and 1917, Percy Stewart's brother Herbert was English Tutor to the six sons of Grand Duke Alexander Michailovitch and his wife Grand Duchess Xenia, sister of Tsar Nicholas II. A keen photographer, he created an archive of 22 photograph albums, now housed at the National Media Museum at Bradford, showing the daily lives of the royal children whom he tutored in Russia. On his trips home, he regularly visited Percy and his wife Katharine here at Burnby Hall, and they occasionally feature in his photographs. One album also features a visit by Percy to see Herbert at the Grand Duke's Crimean estate at Ai-Todor in 1914. In March 1917, he kept a brief diary outlining the very early days of the Russian Revolution from his unique perspective. The diary is on display in the Stewart Museum, along with copies of some of his photographs. "Mr Stewart and the Romanovs", a new museum booklet featuring a selection of Herbert Stewart's photographs is on now sale at our Visitor Centre. "

The above exhibit referenced was at Burnby Hall which is situated in the town of Pocklington, on the edge of the Yorkshire Wolds. It belonged to world traveler Major Percy Marlborough Stewart. The Stewart Museum within the Gardens is dedicated to his extraordinary life and contains the fascinating artifacts he brought back with him. Many of these have been recognised by UNESCO as of national and international importance. The diaries of his brother, as noted, are on display and the albums were given to the National Media Museum though they keep some copies on display at the Stewart Museum.
I actually had this on my 'to do' list for the gardens before I read of the connection to the Romanovs. I hope the exhibit will still be on going when I get there.

The National Media Museum does digitize some of their collections so, hopefully, this will be one of them someday. And, given the interest in the albums will be further displayed outside of the exhibit book on Burnby.

Mr Stewart also took some well-known photos of Grand Duchess George at her hospital in Britain in 1915--those are also part of his album collection at the Media Museum.

Stewart, like fellow tutor Sidney Gibbes, was a Yorkshireman (as shown by the location of his home and albums).  He left Russia for good at the end of 1917 after Xenia and her family had departed for the Crimea. He stayed in touch with them by letter until their arrival in France and later some of them in England. Stewart lived the remainder of his life in the Basse-Pyrenees. He died in 1960, the same year as Grand Duchess Xenia.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 19, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
Here are some of the digitized images (attribution on image):

(http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/pr/589572902/SSPL_10571300_preview.jpg)

(http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/pr/589572902/SSPL_10571320_preview.jpg)

(http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/pr/589572902/SSPL_10571340_preview.jpg)

Where they may need help is on identification--many (apart from Nicholas II) are just labeled '5 boys' or '3 gentlemen' that sort of thing.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 19, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
They use this well-known image in the article--I wonder if he originally took it or if he just had it in his album. Some of the digitized photos contain casual images that were nonetheless published in the Illustrated London News and other magazines of the day--including some of the 'snowy day' photos:

(http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/webimage/1.6443941!/image/2510888769.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_215/2510888769.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 20, 2014, 03:44:25 AM
Is the young man in naval uniform Nagorny?

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 20, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
NO. I don't think so. Both sailors were big men.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 20, 2014, 10:17:46 AM
Is the young man in naval uniform Nagorny?

Ann

I think it's one of Xenia's sons but I don't have my magazine page accessible (it had captions) and the web image didn't give identifications.
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 20, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
Yes, I've seen that picture a few times before and wondered whether it was one of Xenia's sons, if not Nagorny.

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 20, 2014, 10:52:48 AM
Ah, found it. It's  Prince Nikita Alexandrovitch.
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 20, 2014, 12:01:52 PM
Thanks.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2014, 09:38:52 AM
I who was the son of Xenia's that was the closest to the Imperial Family other than Irina (being a girl closest in age with Olga).
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Post by: Maria Sisi on July 27, 2014, 03:44:25 PM
Princes Rostislav, Dmitri, Nikita, Andrei and Vasili Alexandrovitch outside the Anichkov Palace 1913
(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/03/8e/00008e03_big.jpeg)

Mikhailovich family plus Prince Felix Yusupov 1914 (Bradford National Media Museum)
(http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/1314b.jpg)

Mikhailovich family plus Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna
(http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/1228b.jpeg)
I love how Xenia and Irina are holding hands
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Post by: Maria Sisi on July 30, 2014, 12:37:37 AM
Nice picture with Olga and Ksenia's family.

I've seen photos from that sitting but never that one.

I love seeing photos of Xenia and Olga together post Alexander III. With the seven year age difference and different personalities they were probably destined not to be that close so its great seeing the two sisters together.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2014, 01:15:16 AM
I read Olga called her sister Ksenia monster behind her back.
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Post by: Maria Sisi on August 04, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
I read Olga called her sister Ksenia monster behind her back.

REALLY?!?!?

Do you know where you read that and Olga's reasons why?
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Post by: historyfan on August 04, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
I read Olga called her sister Ksenia monster behind her back.

Where did you read that?

I read that both sisters were called monsters during the whole Anna Anderson...thing, for not wanting to recognize their "niece".
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Post by: Maria Sisi on August 04, 2014, 06:12:31 PM
I read that both sisters were called monsters during the whole Anna Anderson...thing, for not wanting to recognize their "niece".

Yes I remember reading that too and its not surprising. Anna Anderson's allies got very nasty when it came to those who didn't believe she was Anastasia.

I'm not sure what Xenia could have done for Olga to call her a monster though. I would like to know what the source of that was, it should be interesting.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2014, 01:25:22 AM
I think the fall out came when Olga felt she was cheated out of the sale of the jewels of their mother while Ksenia got more.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on August 05, 2014, 06:58:54 AM
I think the fall out came when Olga felt she was cheated out of the sale of the jewels of their mother while Ksenia got more.

I seriously doubt that. Olga was not materialistic at all, and in fact when she was asked about how both sisters were never given the appropriate sum by Queen Mary, she shrugged it off saying it was useless discussing it. She probably felt others were unjust, but I don´t believe she would call her sister "a monster" just because she received bigger ammount of money.

Unless you can provide your source and direct quote.
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Post by: historyfan on August 05, 2014, 08:04:26 AM
I think the fall out came when Olga felt she was cheated out of the sale of the jewels of their mother while Ksenia got more.

I seriously doubt that. Olga was not materialistic at all, and in fact when she was asked about how both sisters were never given the appropriate sum by Queen Mary, she shrugged it off saying it was useless discussing it. She probably felt others were unjust, but I don´t believe she would call her sister "a monster" just because she received bigger ammount of money.

Unless you can provide your source and direct quote.

So do I. That doesn't fit at all with the type of person we understand Olga Alexandrovna to have been.
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Post by: Maria Sisi on August 05, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
In "The Last Grand Duchess" concerning the transfer of the jewels from Denmark to England Olga says:
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"I knew nothing at all until the next day when Xenia told me that the box was already out of Denmark. I approved of the general plan and I felt very grateful to Georgie for his concern on our behalf. What happened in Copenhagen was no fault of his. Xenia took it upon herself to arrange things. I was given to understand that the matter could not concern me very closely because I had a commoner for a husband." P. 183

Vorres himself adds:
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Her sister Xenia alone knew of the arrangement. The matter of the jewel box had obviously made a gulf between the sisters. To make the situation even more humiliating for Olga, she stayed in Denmark but Xenia hurried back to England almost at once. P. 183

The Grand Duchess always avoided the subject. I could see that the Grand Duchess did not really care about the ultimate fate of her mother's treasure trove or even about the apportioning of the money. What had bitten hard into her was the way in which all the transactions were carried out. She, Olga, might not have existed for all the notice taken of her during those difficult weeks after her mother's death. P. 185

Perhaps the jewel incident did drive a wedge between the sisters and there was bitterness from Olga to Xenia in how it was handled. I guess how bitter she was over everything is up for interpretation, although I don't think she went as far as "monster".



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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2014, 02:48:19 AM
Most certainly the jewel incident was a watershed moment between the sisters. Their relationship was never the same.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on August 08, 2014, 05:13:53 PM
However is you claim Olga called her sister "a monster" I am still waiting for your source. Don´t  take this badly, but I would be very much interested, because most of the time you make comments which are quite intimate, but never provide source. I understand you cannot remember all the books and information you have read, but still.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2014, 10:49:38 PM
Think I read it in a book before. It was confirmed by a researcher of the Romanovs. Found it interesting fact about the relationship between the sisters. Something I am doing research on myself.
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Post by: Kalafrana on August 12, 2014, 05:38:03 AM
Eric

This is all very vague, and entirely typical of your gossip-mongering approach to history.

In any case, even if Olga did once call Xenia a monster, we need to know the context. Something said as a one-off in a fit of irritation is quite different from something said routinely.

I await the outcome of your 'research', provided it is properly referenced.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 12, 2014, 08:25:26 AM
Ann,

I do not like your tone at all. I do not need to prove anything to you with that kind of attitude.

Think your manners are out of the window.

As Princess Anne once said "Nuff off".

Eric
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Post by: historyfan on August 12, 2014, 09:07:28 AM
Eric, come on. Do you have a source, or don't you? Ally has asked. I have asked. A number of us are very interested to know from where you got this information that Olga Alexandrovna, generally a kind person, would have been so harsh as to call her sister a "monster". Without a source, it's just unfounded gossip.
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Post by: Kalafrana on August 12, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
Mr Lowe (if you prefer)

You portray yourself as a serious student of royal history, and frequently make claims which cannot be cross-checked, based on sources which never emerge into the light of day. When I began my history degree, I distinctly remember one old professor telling us that the role of the historian was to be a seeker out of truth. In my view, that is a serious responsibility.

On that basis, if we are to be seekers after truth, we need to know where information comes from in order to evaluate it.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 12, 2014, 11:49:34 PM
Ann,

I do cross check my references and have conversations with people who published books on the Romanovs and myself been to royal archives in Windsor & family archives of the Hohenzollern in Sigmaringen & Munich (Wittelsbach). I am much more than a royal fan making a remark. I appreciate you wanting to get to the bottom of that and willing to assist in any form. However I just moved from US to Hong Kong and my research is scattered at the moment. You do have a legitimate case to want to know the truth, and I will sent it to you once I get organized my papers. however you cannot demand that I do it in 24 hours or so. Don't think you do that to Marlene Eliers or Corynne Hall. Why do you do that to me ?

Most of the other claims I made were from private letters from researchers that without permission cannot disclose.

Best,

Eric
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Post by: Превед on August 13, 2014, 03:14:13 AM
Eric

This is all very vague, and entirely typical of your gossip-mongering approach to history.

Eric the gossip monster :-) (Am I going down in Eric's version of la petite histoire as a monster-calling ogre now?)


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In any case, even if Olga did once call Xenia a monster, we need to know the context. Something said as a one-off in a fit of irritation is quite different from something said routinely.

Aye to that. My impression is that nearly every member of any royal family (and indeed any average family too) had and have good reasons to call each other "monsters" at times, because people have a tendency to be selfish. I am sure even Olga Alexandrovna was a "misbehaving little monster" in the eyes of some when she divorced her first husband and quickly remarried a mere subject, in the middle of a disastrous war!
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Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2014, 06:10:36 AM
Ann,



Most of the other claims I made were from private letters from researchers that without permission cannot disclose.

Best,

Eric

Eric, we all know your manner to flame the fire and run away. Such methods can amuse only beginners. If the source is private correspondence you can freely say "from letters of X to Y, unpublished" and that's all, otherwise your pretending to know everything is VERY annoying.
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Post by: Kalafrana on August 13, 2014, 10:10:27 AM
Indeed. And you can also always say, 'I  can't remember which book I saw this in, but I think it was....'
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Post by: Ally Kumari on August 17, 2014, 05:49:00 AM
(http://cs620828.vk.me/v620828079/16fdb/AkbyeBksN7o.jpg)
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Post by: historyfan on August 17, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
Ally, I can't see this too well. Who else is in the carriage?
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Post by: Kalafrana on August 18, 2014, 05:16:42 AM
The lady second from the left looks like Marie F but otherwise I don't know.

Ann
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Post by: historyfan on August 18, 2014, 07:55:48 AM
I thought that was Xenia. lol.
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Post by: rachel5a on August 18, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
when you enlarge the photo you can see that's Xenia, but the rest? This lady in front of GD Xenia looks like GD Olga A. IMO
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 21, 2014, 08:11:24 AM
The quote on Olga came from an unpublished letter from one of her cousins.
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Post by: Kalafrana on August 21, 2014, 08:19:38 AM
Which cousin? What date?

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 21, 2014, 08:26:53 AM
I am not saying anything more. Evidently she remembered the girl Olga called her sister behind her back. The sisters never really jelled being so different in nature and not to mention the difference in ages.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on October 03, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
Xenia and her brothers in nursery

(http://f10.ifotki.info/org/592fb42aeb2c820a143302134ce75bf6bc5f6c117944494.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on October 03, 2014, 06:27:52 AM
Xenia and her brothers in nursery



That's in the Alexandria Cottage in Peterhof.
Title: Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
Post by: Maria Sisi on January 03, 2015, 12:56:03 PM
I'm currently reading Grand Duke Alexander's memoirs "Once a Grand Duke" and despite pretty much agreeing with everything (although part of his description of Nicholas appear off to me) he says I'm finding myself kind of disliking him.

There's just something about the way he presents himself that makes me say "well of course they didn't listen to you." He just comes off as so holier then thou, "I'm smart and your all stupid, I'm right and your all wrong, I'm so much better then you." Every time he had the chance to present his argument it came in a long winded never ending lecture full of nothing but negativity.

I can imagine he came off as very patronizing and off putting and that's why he never succeeded in convincing people what he wanted to convince them of. He presents himself in meetings (with the Tsar/cabinet) the exact same way every time and fails every time. Considering how smart he appeared to be one would think he would have realized that his methods of presenting his argument was all wrong and that he needed to change. Instead he makes his arguments the exact same way right till the end so its no surprise he failed. I haven't finished it yet but considering the whole tone of the book (more the 2/3 in) he probably never reflected on himself and why he failed that much. 

His brothers appear to have been the same way as well so perhaps it was the way they were raised. Either way I still admire him more then many of the others but probably less so then before.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on January 06, 2015, 07:40:05 AM
I must say I feel your sentiment. Regarding "Sandro" he was definitely intelligent, elegnat and suave person, however even though his memoirs are very well writen he makes himself sound like a know-it-all and understand-it-all that at times it pushes me the wrong way. It is easy to write about what should have been done when you know what already happened.
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Post by: Maria Sisi on January 06, 2015, 11:29:48 AM
I agree and I wouldn't be surprised if half the stuff he wrote in his book he only realized after the fact but tried to pass if off as him knowing the whole time. Nothing wrong with admitting you realized things too late but I have a feeling Sandro would have trouble admitting that for himself. I've learned reading quotes from his book in other books looks far better and less judgmental and harsh then it does in his own.

I know it comes up every time when people talk about Nicholas and Alexandra and how they had EVERYBODY telling them the truth but they chose to ignore them but after reading this book I can see why they did. I have no clue how MF or "Ella" delivered their pleas or advice, because they never wrote about it, but its easy to see why the Mikhailovichi were NOT listened to and why that could possibly bleed over to others as well.

Sandro came off as REALLY aggressive in his book I can only imagine how he came off in person when delivering one of his lectures. Why Nicholas just wanted him to go away so he can think to himself alone or why Alexandra felt physically threatened by him. Although that doesn't excuse their own behavior/actions and their dismissal of all other family members (especially people like Ella), its suddenly more clear and they end up looking a little better.


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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2015, 03:00:25 AM
Yes. Sandro was a flawed character but some of the stuff he wrote are first hand knowledge and cannot completely disregarded.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 12, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
I have some info on Sandro:
The book  "Tide at Sunrise" has him warning Nicholas strongly against risking war with Japan

The later book "The Tsar's Last Armada" has him advising Nicholas to move into Manchuria

Then there is his last meeting with Nicholas and Alexandra where he talks about how he argued with Alexandra about the need for reform while Nicholas said nothing.

Then there is the letter he wrote right after this meeting mentioned on the APTM Nicholas new study section where he writes  Alexandra said nothing while he argued with Nicholas against repealing the anti Jewish laws and confiscating land and giving it to the peasants.

He sort of reminds me of some WW II German generals who liked to write and talk post WW II how they tried to talk Hitler out of certain courses of action ect when in real life they didn't.

The book The Russian Military Air Fleet in WW I Volume I by August Blume does have some information on Sandro in it and his role in creating the Russian Military Air Fleet. It includes a number of reports and memos written by him. However it does contain some errors and could have been edited better. Note the author was dying when he wrote the book which may account for them. It does give you a fairly good history of aviation in Russia.
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Post by: edubs31 on July 09, 2015, 12:40:11 AM
There are things I like about Sandro but I also find him a bit of a sketchy character. His historical revisionism displayed in these quotes you've offered James makes perfect sense to me.
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Post by: Ally Kumari on November 25, 2016, 02:40:36 PM
Xenia Alexandrovna, 1903. I have never seen this particular photo.

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/e7465065753fd3db5ea87fb5b6814f0e/tumblr_oh7ranRI4X1rh07xwo1_1280.jpg)
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Post by: Kalafrana on November 25, 2016, 07:20:06 PM
Is this Xenia's outfit for the 1903 costume ball?

Ann
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Post by: Ally Kumari on September 01, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Xenia´s children

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/00da74d287a691201810ae103aebaffe/tumblr_ovm2ynCgcO1rh07xwo1_540.jpg)
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 01, 2017, 12:37:58 PM
Are they at a fancy dress party?

Ann