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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Greek Royal Family => Topic started by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:24:57 AM

Title: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:24:57 AM
Hello ! I thought I might start a thread on the Royal Jewles of Greece  ;) Here they are ...

From this website : http://nl.msnusers.com/RoyaltyDanjel2/rusindexw.msnw
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/royal20.jpg)

Here is Queen Olga of Greece wearing a diamond crown, topped with pearls !
Her she is again wwearing the same tiara ..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/ks1037.jpg)

From this website  http://nl.msnusers.com/RoyaltyDanjel2/rusindexw.msnw
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:34:37 AM
And here Queen Olga wear's a wreath-style tiara of diamond olives leaves and ruby berries ...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/queenolga.jpg)

The first owner of this tiara was Queen Olga. After her death it went to her son, prince Nicholas and later to his daughter, princess Olga, the wife of the prince-regent Paul of Yugoslavia. Princess Olga's sister, Princess Marina of Kent borrowed this tiara for the coronation of HM Queen Elizabeth II of Great-Britain.

Princess Olga and Prince Paul sold this tiara back to King Paul of Greece, who bought it for his wife Queen Frederika. The shape of the tiara has changed a lot over the years .

And here Princess Marina of Kent wear's it ..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/18.jpg)

And Queen Ann-Marie

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/a2Dm.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:36:40 AM
And here again, Queen Olga wear's her Russian Head Piece

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/a20greece20olga20russia.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:39:35 AM
Here is Queen Olga's RUSSIAN KOKOSHNIK TIARA

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/Queen20Olga.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:42:50 AM
Here is Princess Alice wearing a diamond tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/PrinsesAlicediamantentiara2.jpg)

The  location of the tiara is unknown
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:44:53 AM
Here is Princess Elena of Greece wearing a diamond fringe tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/Helena.jpg)

Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 10:52:09 AM
Here is Princess Anastasia of Greece, she married Prince Christopher of Greece (George and Olga's youngest child) before she married Christopher, she a American commoner and called Nancy Stewart, previously married to William Leeds, was granted the title of Princess Anastasia of Greece and Denmark.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/gr20anastasia.jpg)

Here is a close up of the tiara
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/a20greece20tiara20leeds.jpg)
Nancy Stewart wearing a Cartier tiara in 1910. She was well-off before she married Prince Christopher
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 11:24:09 AM
Here is Queen Sophie of Greece wearing her diamond tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/GREE20Queen20Sophia.jpg)
Here is Queen Frederika wearing the same tiara. She sold the tiara after the fall of the monarchy. Currente whereabouts unknown.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/QUEEN20FEDERIKA.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: PrincessAlicky on December 15, 2004, 11:27:13 AM
HRH Princess Aspasia of Greece, born Aspasia Manos

In 1919 HM King Alexander I married a young Greek commoner, Aspasia Manos, a marriage that was considered controversial by the Royal Family, the Church AND the Greek people. Only after Alexanders death (1920), she was granted the style and title HRH Princess of Greece in 1922.

In this picture Princess Aspasia is not wearing a tiara but a headpiece to hold the veil of her (Greek) costume in place.

Princess Aspasia and King Alexander are the parents of Princess Alexandra of Greece, who married the exiled King Petar of Yugoslavia.

Exact provenance and current whereabouts unknown.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/GREECE20Princess20Aspasia2C20born20Aspasia20Manos.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 20, 2004, 01:26:06 PM
All those emeralds were originally Olga's.  Brian has posted some great pictures of Olga's jewels in another thread, I think.
The emeralds have been remodelled a couple of times since Olga wore them; I think that originally they were given to her by her parents at the time of her marriage.  These stones are truly Romanov in their size and splendour.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 22, 2004, 12:23:59 AM
If you look at the photo of Anne-Marie you can see the interlocking 'E's that Elizabeth had added to the tiara.

I have a photo back at home that shows Queen Frederika wearing Sophie's tiara at her 25th wedding anniversary.

Sophie apparently inherited some of Q. Olga's jewels (before Olga died) when Olga gave them to Tino (Sophie's husband) for their silver wedding anniversary but there are no records that indicate how Sophie set them (they were loose emeralds). Sophie passed them to George II to give to Elizabeth who remounted them.

Queen Anne-Marie also has been seen in a fabulous ruby tiara and parure (probably the one in an above photo). Apparently George I gave Olga rubies ever year for her birthday and by the time of his death (after almost 50 years of marriage) she had quite the collection! She left it to Nicholas but when Helen died she elected to leave it to Frederika rather than her own daughters. Perhaps she wanted to establish a Crown collection ala the British one.


The rubies and emeralds can still be seen on Anne-Marie as Constantine II had maintained possession even in exile (unlike so many royal jewels).

I posted some photos as well in the Olga Konstantinova thread--one of them tracing the history of that particular tiara of Elizabeth's.

Marie Bonaparte brought some lovely jewels in when she married George of Greece but most have been sold by her children Peter (who inherited the more modern pieces) and Eugenie (the more classic ones including the tiara MB is often shown in--there may be a photo of her wearing it in the thread on Waldemar and George). The apparently fetched a pretty good price.

Prince Christopher of Greece wrote of Olga's unset emeralds that she had a fabulous collection with some the size of a pigeon egg. One she lent him for a fancy dress ball with strict admonitions to protect it. Of course it fell off and to the horror of those around, rolled on the floor. Luckily it was undamaged.  

Some jewels made circuitous routes. Sapphire jewelry had been left by Queen Marie (which may have been Romanov in origin--perhaps Miechen or Ducky's since Q Marie bought sapphire jewels from both) to Ileana. She sold it and it was eventually bought by a Greek millionaire who gave it to Frederika. She had this huge sapphire mounted on a pendant which later became centerpiece  of a pearl and diamond necklace which QF would occasionally wear as a diadem.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Olga on December 22, 2004, 01:11:40 AM
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Queen Anne-Marie also has been seen in a fabulous ruby tiara and parure (probably the one in an above photo).


That ruby parure used to belong to Oueen Ingrid. Crown Princess Mary now has it.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 22, 2004, 04:17:32 AM
GDElla, the huge sapphire that you refer to , that had been left by Missy to Ileana - is this the same huge sapphire that had been the pendant drop to the wonderful Cartier chain of diamonds?  I think that this sapphire had belonged to Ferdinand of Bulgaria; Marie had purchased it from Cartier to replace the jewels that went missing in Russia during the Revolution.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 22, 2004, 04:24:28 PM
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Were you at Mary and Frederik's wedding? Lucky thing.

The Danish ruby parure is one of my favourites.


I agree. the Danish ruby parure is simply lovely.  It had not been worn since the death of Queen Ingrid and I think has been allotted to Pcss Mary to have the use of.
I have some information somewhere about this parure, which originally had belonged to Desiree Clary Bernadotte, Queen of Sweden.  I will try to dig it out.
Queen Anne Marie's rubies are a different parure, aren't they?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 23, 2004, 09:25:04 AM
Arturo you are too modest.....
Here is Pcss Mary wearing the Danish ruby parure just before her wedding (hope this works, am still a bit shaky with this image posting...)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/PrincessMary.jpg)

I will try to dig out some info about this parure.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 23, 2004, 01:59:56 PM
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CP Mary is really quite beautiful. She's stylish aswell; I love the dress she wore in that photo.


Olga, you've hit the nail right on the head as usual.  She is indeed very lovely and seems like a very nice person as well.
I would have thought that the dress that she is wearing in the photo was probably designed to compliment the wonderful parure that she is wearing.  The colour of the dress really suits her (it is a good colour for brunettes).  All in all, a lovely princess (and not by birth!)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 23, 2004, 02:24:04 PM
Finally I've found the information about the ruby parure.  Vincent Meylan in his book 'Queen's Jewels' has this to say on page 92:
'Desiree Clary's rubies
Strangely enough Europe's most historic, if not richest, treasure trove of jewelry includes not a single ruby.  And yet Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte's wife, the famous Desiree Clary, who at one time was engaged to Napoleon I, owned a set of matching diamond and ruby jewelry with an intricate foliate motif.  This parure comprised a diadem, a necklace, a pair of girandole earrings and a brooch, and was given to her by her ex-fiance.  They were the work of a Parisian jeweler whose name history, sadly, had forgotten but whose talent enabled him to create jewelry that was fit for a Queen despite the small size of the precious stones.  Rather than surrounding a single ruby with small diamonds, as is usually the case, the skilful jeweler grouped together four and sometimes five small rubies in a gold prong setting in such a way to create the illusion of a single larger stone, sometimes measuring half to almost an inch across.  Even the girandole earrings with their multiple decorative motifs, a classic in eighteenth century jewelry, were made using a similar technique to create the illusion that each pendant was a large pear-shaped ruby surrounded by diamonds.'
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 23, 2004, 04:50:25 PM
Just to come back to this. Vincent Meylan continues
'All this jewelry remained with Desiree until her death in 1860, when it was given to her great grand daughter, Princess Louise of Sweden who went on to become Queen of Denmark.  Three generations of Danish Queens handed the jewelry down to their daughters-in-law.  In 1935 it was given to Princess Ingrid of Sweden for her marriage to the future King Frederik IX of Denmark.  In 1943 she commissioned a Danish jeweler to enhance the diadem by adding diamond foliate motifs taken from two shoulder brooches.  No one has worn this jewelry since Queen Ingrid died in 2000.'

Until now.  Obviously, as I said previously, this suite of jewels has now been handed to Princess Mary for her personal use.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 26, 2004, 09:59:56 AM
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That ruby parure used to belong to Oueen Ingrid. Crown Princess Mary now has it.


It's a different one that I was referring to from the one seen on Princess Mary (which is lovely). I'll have to get back home to all my info to get the exact information about it.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 27, 2004, 03:27:52 AM
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It's a different one that I was referring to from the one seen on Princess Mary (which is lovely). I'll have to get back home to all my info to get the exact information about it.


So sorry, I thought that I had said that it wasn't the same parure.  BTW, do you have a picture of the complete Greek ruby parure?  
The story of George buying Olga rubies every year reminds me of Queen Margherita of Italy's pearls; apparently her husband Victor Emmanuel, who incidentally was shamelessly and cosistently unfaithful to her, used to buy them for her every year until she had ropes and ropes of them that hung down almost to her knees.  I think I have a photo of her somewhere - I will try to dig it out.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 29, 2004, 11:18:13 PM
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So sorry, I thought that I had said that it wasn't the same parure.  BTW, do you have a picture of the complete Greek ruby parure?  
The story of George buying Olga rubies every year reminds me of Queen Margherita of Italy's pearls; apparently her husband Victor Emmanuel, who incidentally was shamelessly and cosistently unfaithful to her, used to buy them for her every year until she had ropes and ropes of them that hung down almost to her knees.  I think I have a photo of her somewhere - I will try to dig it out.


My fault--I had been responding to Darth Olga re: the provenance of the rubies. That's what happens when I try to cram too much info into too little computer time.  :-/

I had read about Margherita's pearls. What a nice husband.  :) I think Margherita was really lovely (and a great and loyal friend to Vicky). I've collected a few (not as many as I'd like) images of her but I don't think I have any of her in the ropes of pearls. I'll have to dig around though.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 30, 2004, 07:52:33 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/margherita-3.jpg)

Hi GDElla.  I found this image of Margherita wearing some of her celebated pearls. There is another image of her, taken at the same sitting, that shows the length of her ropes of pearls (and believe me they really are nearly to her knees!); sadly I only have this image in a book called 'Tiara' by Diana Scarisbrick and it is really small - probably too small to be of any real use.  Anyway , this gives you an idea of the number and quality of her fabulous collection of pearls.
I wonder what happened to them all?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Agneschen on December 30, 2004, 09:29:03 AM
Hi grandduchessella and Martyn !

Concerning Queen Margherita maybe you should try the book by princess Maria Gabriella called Gioielli di Casa Savoia. It is a wonderful book about the jewels of the Royal House of Italy and it contains dozens of pics of Margherita wearing her famous ropes of pearls. Some of them were handed down to her daughter-in-law, Queen Elena, who in turn gave a rope to each of her four daughters. Some lovely pics of QM are also to be found in Casa Savoia - Diario di una Monarchia by the same Maria Gabriella. I have both books at home but cannot post pictures (no scanner). Sorry. Hope that helps anyway.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 30, 2004, 02:13:31 PM
Thanks so much Martyn and Agneschen!

I had actually looked around and do have that image of Margherita--love the tiara as well! That IS quite the collection of pearls. She had presence enough to carry it off.

I also have this one:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/10073842a.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Agneschen on December 30, 2004, 03:12:27 PM
Some info on the tiara Queen Margherita is wearing in the pic posted by Martyn : she had it made by Musy (famous Italian jeweller) in 1904 to commemorate the birth of her grandson Umberto (later King Umberto II).

On the occasion of her marriage to Umberto I, Margherita inherited some of the pearls of his mother, the late Queen Maria Adelaide which had been offered to the latter by her own brother the archduke Leopold in 1850. The receipt for them can be seen in the Gioielli di Casa Savoia book indicating the number of pearls that were bought (280) together as their price (24 000 florins).
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 30, 2004, 04:24:14 PM
Thanks for that information Agneschen. The book  'Gioielli Di Casa Savoia' - I take it that the text is in Italian?  I have been trying to learn Italian for some years but keep having to leave it off due to lack of time, thus don't read it terribly well (sadly)
GDElla., that is a lovely image of Margherita, and tinted to boot!  She really did know how to wear quantities of jewels without looking as though she was overwhelmed by them.  There is a lovely photo of her from the 1860's wearing her fabulous emerald parure - stones to rival Olga's!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 30, 2004, 06:15:13 PM
It's from a book of large royal portraits from around the 1890s. All the photos in it are colored--I got Daisy's in the white dress from it as well. I wouldn't have really pictured her in lilac--more stronger colors--I wonder if it was artistic license? I see the images pop up on ebay but here they're all in one book!  :)

The one of Margherita in her emeralds--isn't that supposedly the only one of her actually wearing the emeralds? I thought I remember reading that an image was come across and before that no one had actually seen an image to get a look at the collection.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on December 31, 2004, 05:34:53 AM
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It's from a book of large royal portraits from around the 1890s. All the photos in it are colored--I got Daisy's in the white dress from it as well. I wouldn't have really pictured her in lilac--more stronger colors--I wonder if it was artistic license? I see the images pop up on ebay but here they're all in one book!  :)

The one of Margherita in her emeralds--isn't that supposedly the only one of her actually wearing the emeralds? I thought I remember reading that an image was come across and before that no one had actually seen an image to get a look at the collection.


Absolutely, GDElla.  It is the only image of Margherita wearing the necklace, tiara, earrings and brooch form her emerald parure.  It is a lovely photo and is in the Vincent Meylan book 'Queens' Jewels'.  Am still struggling with my new scanner so I might have a go at posting it (anything could happen).  Oh, I forgot to thank you for your help with the image posting - have you noticed, the idiot finally managed to master it!
BTW, I think that the lilac is probably a completely arbitrary choice of colour, but it is appropriate and does look lovely
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on December 31, 2004, 04:31:24 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/queenolga.jpg)

And Queen Ann-Marie
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/Letitia-Jane/Queen%20Olga%20of%20Greece/a2Dm.jpg)


I think these are the tiaras I referenced when talking about Olga's jewels rather than the image that was shown of Crown Princess Mary of Denmark wearing a set with a similar tiara. These were apparently made from some of the rubies that George I gave to Queen Olga each year.

Olga:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/GR20Queen20Olga01.jpg)

then Olga to Nicholas & Helen to Princess Olga and Prince Paul to King Paul and Queen Frederika
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/GRIE20Frederika1.jpg)

from QF to Constantine II and Queen Anne-Marie
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/61.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on January 01, 2005, 08:51:28 AM
GDElla, do you know anything about the lovely ruby necklace that both Anne-Marie and Frederika are wearing?  Do you think that it could have been made fromthe central elements of Olga's choker (that she is wearing with the ruby tiara)?
In another thread, someone referred to a ruby bracelet that Queen Anne-Marie lost at a Swiss airport.  I wonder if it is the one featured in the photo and whether it was from Olga's collection?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on January 03, 2005, 09:09:34 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Margheritainemeralds.jpg)

I know that this is off topic, but this is for GDElla.  I believe that it is the only known likeness (from the late 1860's by the look of it) of Margherita wearing the full parure of emeralds and really is not as clear as one would like.  however it shows, diadem, earrings, necklace, brooch and possibly bracelet(s).  I will try to dig out the info about this suite later if I have time.
Interestingly, she is wearing her hair half dressed, unusual to see a royal figure 'en grande toilette' with their hair loose.....
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2005, 04:15:27 PM
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GDElla, do you know anything about the lovely ruby necklace that both Anne-Marie and Frederika are wearing?  Do you think that it could have been made fromthe central elements of Olga's choker (that she is wearing with the ruby tiara)?


I don't know if it was made from Olga's choker or whether an entirely new necklace was fashioned out of remaining rubies--would we all have such problems.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2005, 04:18:10 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Margheritainemeralds.jpg)

I know that this is off topic, but this is for GDElla.  I believe that it is the only known likeness (from the late 1860's by the look of it) of Margherita wearing the full parure of emeralds and really is not as clear as one would like.  however it shows, diadem, earrings, necklace, brooch and possibly bracelet(s).  I will try to dig out the info about this suite later if I have time.
Interestingly, she is wearing her hair half dressed, unusual to see a royal figure 'en grande toilette' with their hair loose.....


You are so sweet!  :-*  I had only been able to thumb through the book while on vacation. I'm hoping to maybe get it for my birthday but at a good price--I hadn't gotten it because I liked Munn's book better and they're both pricey. I like that it goes into jewels beyond tiaras though. Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Martyn on January 03, 2005, 05:25:21 PM
GDElla, really it is the least that I can do after all the help and encouragement that you have given me since I joined!
Did you get the Munn book?  It really is the kind of book that will be worth money some day soon.  It is so beautiful and well written; Geoffrey has a lovely writing style which isn't overly academic or dry.  I bought the Bernard Morel book 'The French Crown Jewels' about ten years ago and paid about $200 for it then; it is a great and scholarly work but a bit too scholarly....Geoffrey's book at less than half that price is good value for money.  The Meylan book is good, not very in depth though factually, so if you have to choose, get the Munn book.
I wrote about meeting Geoffrey in the Wartski thread in the Antiques section, if you are interested in the tale of how a middle aged man (me) thought that all his Christmases had come at once!
In the meantime, keep the jewels coming...I can't get enough!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Nanny_Orchard on January 04, 2005, 07:07:55 PM
CP Mary is one gorgeous woman! I love that color on her. Her prince is a lucky man.

But I'm surprised to see her wearing a tiara before her wedding; etiquette says that an unmarried woman doesn't wear a tiara to a ball. She first wears one on her wedding day.

Some women wear the tiara into the church on their wedding day; others follow the tradition that the tiara isn't donned until after the ceremony is over. Sarah, Dss. of York, though not an examplar of proper behavior in most ways, followed this tradition and wore flowers in her hair when she entered the Abbey. She removed them while signing the register and emerged from the Abbey in a ruby and diamond tiara.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Agneschen on January 15, 2005, 06:30:36 PM
Some info on Queen Margherita's emerald parure : it was ordered to the Viennese jeweller Delsotto by King Carlo Alberto of Sardinia as a wedding present for his daughter-in-law the Archduchess Maria Adelaide. When Margherita married Adelaide's son Umberto, she inherited the parure.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: gleb on January 19, 2005, 02:40:32 PM
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Announcements;action=display;num=1105625852;start=0#14

In this page Amedeo, another Italian user, sent other photoes which represent Queen Margherita.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on May 18, 2005, 11:28:18 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/QUEEN2520FEDERIKA5B15D1.jpg)

not a painting but the closest thing i can get to colour portrait. i like this picture frederika seems no have an mischeivous grin on her face
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TampaBay on May 20, 2005, 09:33:35 AM
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She looks here so lovely!


Does anyone know who is in current possession of Freddie's emerald collection as shown in the portrait above?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 20, 2005, 11:59:37 AM
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Does anyone know who is in current possession of Freddie's emerald collection as shown in the portrait above?

TampaBay


Queen Anne-Marie was given the emeralds upon her marriage to King Constantine.
However, Q. A.M. wears the emerald necklace as a tiara, as compared to Queen Frederika who wore it as a necklace.  Q. A.M. wears a necklace her mother gave her upon her marriage instead, and uses this necklace to hang the emerald droops.

Here is a link showing how Queen Anne-Marie wears them.
Regards

http://www.geocities.com/slaikjaer/anne-marie1.html
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:05:39 PM
And in the picture of QF above she is wearing Queen Sophie's tiara

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/227129176MTqJnW_ph1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:06:39 PM
Queen Olga wearing them:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/qn20olga2042.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
Queen Frederika:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/GREE20Queen20Frederieke1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/FriedKoenign1.jpg)


She seems to have liked to wear Sophie's tiara with the emerald set.

Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:09:32 PM
and actually wearing the tiara as a tiara and not a necklace
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/frederika2019571.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:12:48 PM
and on Anne-Marie

(this one is portrait-like ala the one of QF)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/anne20marie11.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/Queen20Anna20Maria1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/GR20Queen20Anne-Marie20Emerald1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:14:05 PM
and more of QF wearing Sophie's tiara
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/frederika2019391.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/frederika252019635B15D1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on May 20, 2005, 09:30:21 PM
Frederika also liked the tiara she inerited from her mother Victoria Louise

Victoria Louise
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/Prussian20Diamond20Tiara2C20prcc20Viktoria20Luise.jpg)
to Frederika
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/frederika252019375B15D1.jpg)
who passed it on to her daughter Queen Sophia of Spain
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/princess20Sofia2019381.jpg)
who has lent it to her daughters including Infanta Christina
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/Prussian20Diamond20Tiara2C20infanta20Christina21.jpg)
and now it seems it will be Crown Princess Letitzia's
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/princesspat/jewels/felipespain1241.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Mia on June 01, 2005, 05:02:28 AM
There has been tons of bow brooches since, I don't know, 17th Century perhaps. And they have been always quite popular. So it's no wonder that the British Royal House has  several bow brooches (there is a set of three, two large and one smaller + plus some other bow brooches) which have been used by Queen Victoria, Queen Alexandra, Queen Mom, Queen Elizabeth and Sarah Duchess of York.

But I think that the exceptionally large bow brooch which Marina wore in several (Beaton) photos is from her mother Helen Vladimirovna.

The brooch can be seen on this picture on Danjel's site (sorry, it can't be linked) where 'Ellen', who is always so cool looking, is also wearing the kokoshnik style Cartier tiara:



Below is a photo of the wedding Gift table of Princess Marina. The large bow brooch is just behind the diamond and pearl necklace/tiara which was also a gift from her mother. In this photo the bow brooch has still attached those dangling diamond lines:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Timantti-Mia/PMarinaofKentWeddingGifts.jpg)
Photo courtesy to Gettyimages.

And finally a Cecil Beaton photograph which shows clearly the size of this bow brooch:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Timantti-Mia/PMarinaofKent1949byCecilBeaton.jpg)
Photo probably from some Cecil Beaton photo book.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TampaBay on June 01, 2005, 05:43:47 AM
GD Ella,

Thank you for the research and photos regarding "Bow Brooches".  I have never seen any upscale deartment store copies.  I would love to have one.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on June 01, 2005, 11:03:43 AM
Actually it was Mia who did the work.  :)

I had said that I thought it was from her mother GDss Helen and she basically confirmed this though so I guess my memory isn't totally going.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TampaBay on June 01, 2005, 01:12:29 PM
Does anyone know who currently owns/wears this bow brooch?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on June 14, 2005, 04:51:31 AM
its a shame the GRF dont have any sapphire jewels as blue is the national colour queen olga should have brought sapphires insted of emralds :-/
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on June 15, 2005, 02:37:31 PM
queen olgas mother had some nice sappires. or if not sappires then some aquamariens.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 27, 2005, 04:59:42 PM
this thread has gone for some reason so lets re do it!


Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 27, 2005, 05:00:54 PM
The Neo classical family Tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/frederika2525201937255B1255D5B15D1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/Frederika_11.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2005, 08:17:49 PM
I have some of these in my books. The meaner tiara of Princess Victoria Louise of Prussia (now passed from Hannover to Greece and presently to Spain), the ruby and diamond parure (from Queen Olga to Princess Olga of Yugoslavia and now to Anne Marie of Greece). The emeralds of Queen Olga that was left to Queen Elisabetha and now back to Greece though the purchase of Queen Ferderica and now worn by Queen Anne Marie. Last of all the disapearing big tiara given to Queen Sophie when she married King Constantine (then Duke of Sparta).
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 27, 2005, 11:15:19 PM
Isn't that meander? 'Meaner' gives it a whole other connotation.  :)

Queen Sophie's Tiara

Sophie
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/4427.jpg)

Frederike
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/frederika2019391.jpg)

QF wore this at her wedding to King Paul. It's one of the few tiaras Sophie seemed to be photographed in. It was later sold and current whereabouts are unknown.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 27, 2005, 11:27:13 PM
Queen Olga's Ruby Tiara

Olga
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/GR20Queen20Olga01.jpg)

Marina at the Coronation
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/181.jpg)

Frederike
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/GRIE20Frederika11.jpg)

Anne-Marie
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/DWF15-7121592.jpg)

I think the story goes that George I used to buy Queen Olga a ruby for her birthday or anniversary.

After her death it went to her son, Nicholas and later to his daughter, Olga of Yugoslavia. Princess Olga's sister, Princess Marina borrowed this tiara for the coronation of Elizabeth II.

Princess Olga and Prince Paul sold this tiara back to King Paul of Greece, who bought it for his wife Frederika. The shape of the tiara has undergone some changes over the years.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 27, 2005, 11:29:17 PM
Emerald Tiara

Frederike
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/frederika2019571.jpg)

Anne-Marie
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/greece20annem20emerald20tiara1.jpg)

This large Art Deco diamond and emerald tiara had been bought for Queen Elisabeth (Missy's daughter) and bears her monogram. It consists of 5 large cabachon emeralds each encircled by diamond. each set in betwee two E-shaped (for Elisabeth) motivs.

AM is still frequently seen in this set which also has earrings (seen in the photo), necklace and brooch.

I had posted a detailed history of this and some other Greek jewels, including the famous sapphire, but can't remember the thread.  ???
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2005, 12:01:28 AM
Queen Frederika wearing Sophie's tiara and the Elisabeth Emerald Tiara as a necklace

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/QUEEN20FEDERIKA1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2005, 12:02:44 AM
Yes but the emeralds that made up the tiara came from Queen Olga's collection. King George inheited them from his grandmother when the old Queen died, so Sophie cannot prevent Elisabtha from getting them. She then have the emeralds redone in her own style--the "E".  :D
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 07:26:33 AM
there is Princess Alice in an unknown tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/Alice25B15D1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 07:28:27 AM
Princess Yreny diamond necklace tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/princess20Yrieny201942-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/1231.jpg)

queen frederika wearing it as a necklace
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 07:54:13 AM
list of the jewels

Greek Royal crown ?


Emerald Tiara still in the family

Ruby laural wreeth tiara still in family

Greek diamond tiara sold

Queen Frederikas Tiara to spain

Diamond necklace tiara sold

Greek key tiara to england

Princess Alice's Aquamarin tiara ?

Star tiara ?

broach tiara still in family

diamond floral tiara still in family

Princess Yreny's Tiara
still in family
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2005, 08:22:24 AM
What about the big tiara who was the wedding present to Sophie of Prussia ?  ???
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2005, 10:32:48 AM
Was that the one she always wore?

The aquamarine tiara has been discussed on the Windsor Jewels thread. It's thought it went to Prince Philip and perhaps has been dismantled. Whatever the story, it seems to have stayed in the family but hasn't been seen in a long time. I think it was a gift from Grand Duchess Elizabeth, her aunt. One of Alice's diamond tiaras was broken up to form EII's engagement ring and bracelet.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2005, 11:18:50 AM
Yes and also a favourite of Queen Frederica. After Frederica died, the tiara was not seen again. Queen Anne Marie was never seen with it.  :(
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 11:19:48 AM
Alices greek key tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/princess20Alice201885-19691.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 11:26:41 AM
the large tiara was for frederikas personal use since she was still living after the fall of the monarchy she sold it and other jewels in exile.

the tiara was probably a gift from empress viktoria of germany to her daugher after queen sophia died in 1932 it went to paul who gave it to his wife.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 28, 2005, 11:42:45 AM
to modify what i said earlyer that diamond necklace tiara is not a a diamond but pearl tiara with matching earings there are pictures of princess Eleni wife of king Karol II and queen frederika wearing them

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/frederika252019635B15D11.jpg)

does anyone have a picture of the large saphier?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2005, 05:07:58 PM
The story of the sapphire:

She also purchased a tiara of Miechen's composed of 5 large sapphires (QM had the central one replaced with an even larger one).  As for the famous sautoir (and that sapphire WAS 478 carats--unbelievable!) it was left to King Michael who eventually had to sell it in exile. She had purchased the long diamond sautoir with the huge sapphire for 3,375,000 francs (in 1920s money!  :o ). A purchase this large had to be cleared with KF and her made arrangements to pay for the sapphire in 4 annuities, the last being in 1924.

The tiara was left to Ileana who eventually sold it to an American jeweler.  I think the sautoir was worn by King Michael's wife Anne at their wedding. The sapphire had already been sold. The sapphire was eventually bought by a Greek billionaire in 1948 who later gave it to Queen Frederica of Greece. She had it mounted to a pendant which later became the centerpiece of a necklace. There's a photo of QF wearing the necklace  for her 25th wedding anniversary. The sapphire itself sold in 2003 for $1,494,480.

tiara and diamond & sapphire necklace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Vladimir720Romania.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Irene20et20Frederika1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/queenmariessapphire1.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2005, 08:10:59 PM
I actually held that Sapphire in my hand in Hong Kong when the auction house displayed it with other jewels. Quite heavy I must say !  ;D

No ! That tiara was a gift to Sophie who wore it soon after the wedding. There is still dispute if it was sold.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 29, 2005, 04:54:01 AM
Princess Sofia wearing the Neo classical tiara a beautifful photo of her

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/princess20Sofia2019381.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2005, 09:11:37 AM
Now...The new Crown Princess wears it nicely as well.  ;D
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: lancashireladandre on November 29, 2005, 09:57:21 AM
Quote
to modify what i said earlyer that diamond necklace tiara is not a a diamond but pearl tiara with matching earings there are pictures of princess Eleni wife of king Karol II and queen frederika wearing them

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/frederika252019635B15D11.jpg)

does anyone have a picture of the large saphier?Queen Sofia now wears the diamond and pearl earrings worn in the picture by her late mother

Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: lancashireladandre on November 29, 2005, 10:04:21 AM
Although this might not be quite the right thread,I read somewhere that among the treasures Queen Fredrika carried into exile was one of the famed bejewelled snuffboxes that had originally belonged to Frederick the Great of Prussia.Fredrika must have inherited it via her own mother.It was sold during the course of her exile and -I Think- is now part of the Stupendous Gilbert collection on display at Somerset House.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2005, 11:00:23 AM
I don't know about that. I heard that Frederica had problems with her mother. She once sided with her brother in an attempt to economize the Viktoria Luise's spending and got into an ugly fight. I would doubt she will leave much to her rebellious daughter.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 30, 2005, 06:47:52 AM
i think she and her mother made up at some point.

when victoria louise died in 1980 the monarchy had been abolished for 6 years and frederika died 2 months later so she would not have long to sell it.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2005, 07:20:59 AM
I think this is most unlikely. The bulk of the Hannoverian estate went to the sons as the recent sale have shown. The rest went to other children.

Will have to check if they made up. That could well be but Frederica at the point was very Eastern in her beliefs and went to a lot of gurus in India. If she had inheirited anything it would be left to her son and daughters. ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 30, 2005, 01:10:41 PM
does any one have a picture of thr greek crown?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Lord Strathclyde on November 30, 2005, 03:39:53 PM
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1065/greekroyalcrown5il.gif)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on November 30, 2005, 05:16:02 PM
where is the crown now?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2005, 08:55:52 PM
In Greece I should think...No ?  ;D
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on December 01, 2005, 10:17:47 AM
yes but were in greece? ???
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 01, 2005, 10:54:35 AM
I think it should be, that crown was taken by Otto back to Germany. It was returned back to Greece at the reign of King Paul.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on December 02, 2005, 04:21:56 AM
does any one have any pictures of than broach tiara that Anna Maria had?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: lancashireladandre on December 02, 2005, 10:22:01 AM
Quote
does any one have any pictures of than broach tiara that Anna Maria had?

I remember seeing a photo of Anne Marie wearing a tiara of diamond stars interspersed with pear pearls on uprights, at a wedding some years ago. It was featured in Hello magazine.Anne Marie also inherited on her mother's death the tiara made by Cartier as a wedding present for her maternal grandmother Margaret of Connaught.All 3 of Queen Ingrid's daughters wore it on their wedding day.A-M wore it at the Crown Prince of Norways wedding with a number of diamond & aquamarine ornaments including an enormous oblong brooch which looked like it could have been a Faberge creation.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2005, 11:32:52 AM
I think those are Danish jewels.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Frederika on December 02, 2005, 04:38:30 PM
the braoch tiara was worn by marie chantel on her wedding day
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2005, 08:39:22 PM
I think that was a Danish Jewel. Part of Queen Ingrid's collection.  :)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vasilya on December 13, 2005, 03:43:51 PM
Back on the Crown of Greece, I saw the crown shown above and also a different crown online. The other one had blue and green jewels on it. I read that the only crown ever made was for Otto but is it possible that George I or one of his descendants ever had another crown commissioned?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 06:50:52 PM
No...I don't think there is another crown. So that is why they made such a bit deal when it was returned officailly to Greece.  :o
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: julia.montague on December 17, 2005, 05:38:42 AM
Quote
The Neo classical family Tiara

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/frederika2525201937255B1255D5B15D1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/raos/Frederika_11.jpg)


That's the Prussian Heirloom Tiara.
Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia got it from her father as a wedding present in 1913, she gave it to hger daughter Friederike, who later gave it to her own daughter Sofia.
Does anyone know why it says "Margarita" under the second pic of Friederike?  ???
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2005, 07:16:23 AM
Mistaken for Prince Philip's sister ?  ???
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 19, 2005, 01:54:03 PM
Quote

That's the Prussian Heirloom Tiara.
Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia got it from her father as a wedding present in 1913, she gave it to hger daughter Friederike, who later gave it to her own daughter Sofia.
Does anyone know why it says "Margarita" under the second pic of Friederike?  ???


This was probably taken right before her marriage to then Crown Prince Pavlos, when Frederika was debating if she should take on a more greek sounding name, and I believe Margarita and Sophie were top of the list.  She obviously chose to stay with her given name, obviously.
Regards
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2005, 07:25:28 PM
She made the right choice ! There is a lot of Frederiques in Greece now in honor of this queen.  ;D
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vasilya on May 25, 2006, 09:23:06 PM
Before I mentioned a second crown that I saw online. Here is a picture of that crown (sorry if it doesn't come out since this is the first time i'm trying to post a picture)

[C:\Documents and Settings\Chris P\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\4HANSLM7\Greekcrown[1].jpg]

I think this crown is more impressive than the other one but I wonder which one is the real crown.

Heres the link to the page on the Greek Crown Jewels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Crown_Jewels
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vasilya on May 25, 2006, 09:24:42 PM
Here's one more try at posting:

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greekcrown.jpg ]
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vasilya on May 25, 2006, 09:32:40 PM
I tried to post the pic a few different ways but all that showed up were red x's. If anyone else knows how to post this image, please do so. Thanks.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2006, 08:50:09 AM
The crown jewels showed nicely in the first link.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: LORENZO on May 28, 2006, 11:46:14 AM
Are there any photo of a Greek King's ceremony of Coronation?  And in which place had done the Coronation?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 30, 2006, 11:53:59 AM
Quote
Are there any photo of a Greek King's ceremony of Coronation?  And in which place had done the Coronation?

There was no coronation in Greece, but two swearing in ceremonies.

Usually there were two.  One at the Royal Palace in Athens, whereby the King took the oath before the government and other VIPs. This was very solemn, as the King would enter, swear the oath, and then immediatly exit.
The second was before the entire Parliament, whereby the King would read a speech from the throne.

Below are two photos of King Constantine II's swearing in ceremonies.

http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/15/images/big/c_04.jpg

Swearing in at parliament



Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2006, 03:12:30 AM
Two photos ? The link only provided one ?  :o
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 31, 2006, 10:27:23 AM
Quote
Two photos ? The link only provided one ?  :o

Couldnt fine the other pic, and didnt have time for more extensive search.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2006, 10:33:57 AM
Okay...We will make do with one.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Alejandro Spain on June 24, 2010, 07:05:46 AM
-Cartier diamond diadem of Princess Anastasia:

(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9527/anastasiaofgreece1.jpg)

-Cartier emerald diadem of Princess Anastasia:

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1353/nancyleedswithjewels192.jpg)

-Jewels of Princesses Marie Bonaparte and Tatiana:

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6995/bonapartejz6.jpg)

-Circle diadem of Queen Sophie:

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2103/10083602fb.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2010, 09:50:03 AM
Nancy Leeds does have quite an amount of jewels.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Alejandro Spain on June 24, 2010, 02:57:46 PM
Yes, and Marie Bonaparte's collection was so impressive too!

(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8263/07011.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
Yes. Both rich women who helped their poorer relatives from the Greek Royal Houses.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Alejandro Spain on June 25, 2010, 10:14:07 AM
Queen Anne Marie was very beautiful and she wore her jewels very well, as a true queen:

-Do you know this diadem?

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4844/grec14.jpg)

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7665/ball1n.jpg)

-With the emerald parure:

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7403/ball23.jpg)

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9276/ball33.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2010, 10:22:36 AM
Love those emeralds.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on June 25, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
Queen Anne Marie was very beautiful and she wore her jewels very well, as a true queen:

-Do you know this diadem?

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4844/grec14.jpg)

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7665/ball1n.jpg)

-With the emerald parure:

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7403/ball23.jpg)

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9276/ball33.jpg)
The small diadem came to Anne Marie from her parents and was originally a stomacher which was adapted.In recent times it has been seen on the heads of her daughter in law AND younger daughter....who knows it might be the new Princess nicholas wearing it next!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on June 25, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
On one of the jewel boards (because of the recent wedding) there was info on this diadem. It was made from 3 brooches (belonging to Queen Alexandrine and left to  Queen Ingrid), I believe--probably connected into a stomacher as Ashdean posted. It was converted to the diadem known as the Floral Brooch Tiara as present from Ingrid to Queen Anne-Marie. This, at least, according to the royal forums. The tiara was also worn by Princess Marie-Chantal at her wedding.

Is it the one that Princess Theodora wore to Prince Joachim of Denmark's 2nd wedding?

(http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/files/Princess.Theodora.Tiara.Danish.Wedding.2.jpg)

Marie-Chantal

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/jewels/93249753.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
Thanks for the information. Cannot see the second photo though.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on June 26, 2010, 01:13:57 PM
On one of the jewel boards (because of the recent wedding) there was info on this diadem. It was made from 3 brooches (belonging to Queen Alexandrine and left to  Queen Ingrid), I believe--probably connected into a stomacher as Ashdean posted. It was converted to the diadem known as the Floral Brooch Tiara as present from Ingrid to Queen Anne-Marie. This, at least, according to the royal forums. The tiara was also worn by Princess Marie-Chantal at her wedding.

Is it the one that Princess Theodora wore to Prince Joachim of Denmark's 2nd wedding?

(http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/files/Princess.Theodora.Tiara.Danish.Wedding.2.jpg)

Marie-Chantal

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/jewels/93249753.jpg)
Actually although I think the stomacher that this tiara became originated with Queen Alexandrine...the tiara which was made with 3 brooches (the centre on having a interchangable  centre stone ie diamond,emerald,pearl) was actually another inheritance from Alexandrine which Fredrik and Ingrid converted and passed on to their daughter Benedikte and was worn last week by HER daughter Alexandra in Stockholm.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on June 26, 2010, 01:19:12 PM
Thank you very much, Ashdean. I couldn't see the original posting of the tiara in great detail and assumed they were one and the same.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
Thanks for the information. Not aways sure about this jewel.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Margot on July 10, 2010, 08:37:13 AM
I know that the famous cabochon emeralds that leave many of us drooling, are said to have come into the Greek Royal Family via Queen Olga, but I am wondering whether or not some gems that look very much like emeralds belonging to Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna may not have found there way into the Greek jewel vaults at some stage. Here is a link to a picture of Alexandra Petrovna in her lovely jewels which I am assuming were emerald rather than sapphires or rubies!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GzDSYCqX7vo/SFSIPrBFJrI/AAAAAAAAAE0/XgDf5PwEohc/s320/Grand_Duchess_Anastasia_Petrovna_of_Russia.jpg

They do look so very similar to some of the famous Greek emeralds! If they are not part of the Greek horde, does anyone know what happened to Alexandra Petrovna's fabulous collection and in particular the wonderful gems she is wearing the above photograph?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 10, 2010, 09:43:21 AM
Hi Margot,

Those jewels do look very like Queen Olga's emeralds...
I can only guess that if they are, then they came to Olga as a wedding gift from Alexandra.

Didn't Alexandra become a nun?  So, maybe she didn't have any more use for emeralds!!!


Larry
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Stefan22 on July 10, 2010, 11:52:33 AM
On one of the jewel boards (because of the recent wedding) there was info on this diadem. It was made from 3 brooches (belonging to Queen Alexandrine and left to  Queen Ingrid), I believe--probably connected into a stomacher as Ashdean posted. It was converted to the diadem known as the Floral Brooch Tiara as present from Ingrid to Queen Anne-Marie. This, at least, according to the royal forums. The tiara was also worn by Princess Marie-Chantal at her wedding.

Is it the one that Princess Theodora wore to Prince Joachim of Denmark's 2nd wedding?

(http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/files/Princess.Theodora.Tiara.Danish.Wedding.2.jpg)

Marie-Chantal

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/jewels/93249753.jpg)

The taira made out of three brooches is a simlar one belonging to Anne-Marie's sister Pricness Benedikte. This one was originally a stomacher who belonged to Queen Victoria of Sweden and was inherited by Queen Anne-Marie.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2010, 02:57:47 PM
I love emeralds too. I do wonder what happen to Ella's emeralds. Did she gave some to her niece Princess Alice of Battenberg ?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 11, 2010, 03:02:24 AM
I love emeralds too. I do wonder what happen to Ella's emeralds. Did she gave some to her niece Princess Alice of Battenberg ?
Ella's emeralds and their later owners have OFTEN been discussed on these boards
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 11, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Ella had more emeralds than just those given to Marie P (which were sold to Missy and to Mignon). If you read the bio on Ella, she had much more emeralds than that...
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 11, 2010, 06:39:14 PM
Was Alice ever seen wearing emeralds? I've seen her in pearls, emeralds and diamonds. I would think that if an aunt she so obviously adored had given her such valuables there would be some photos ala the aquamarine gift?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2010, 10:00:47 AM
Don't know about the smaller brooches (like the sapphire one in the Queen's collection that once owned by Empress Marie Feodorovna) as they can escape detection in black and white photos while people focus on the big tiaras & necklaces. Princess Alice got married in a lovely set of jewels (set up in a star tiara with matching necklace and bracelet-she wore it again for a photo where it was republished as a postcard). Don't know the exact gift list (I think most royals gave some jewel to her). Ella as her aunt would have presented her with some lovely jewel. She got loads of it even in her engagement, Serge gave Ella part of the faboulous set of emeralds from his mother Empress Marie Alexandrovna's collection and insited she put everything on at once. She told her family that she felt like a Christmas tree with all these pieces.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 12, 2010, 12:41:52 PM
Don't know about the smaller brooches (like the sapphire one in the Queen's collection that once owned by Empress Marie Feodorovna) as they can escape detection in black and white photos while people focus on the big tiaras & necklaces. Princess Alice got married in a lovely set of jewels (set up in a star tiara with matching necklace and bracelet-she wore it again for a photo where it was republished as a postcard). Don't know the exact gift list (I think most royals gave some jewel to her). Ella as her aunt would have presented her with some lovely jewel. She got loads of it even in her engagement, Serge gave Ella part of the faboulous set of emeralds from his mother Empress Marie Alexandrovna's collection and insited she put everything on at once. She told her family that she felt like a Christmas tree with all these pieces.
Marie Pavlovna the Younger received the emeralds and their subsequent owners are well documented.Dimitri is also rumoured to have given his mistress Coco Chanel a heirloom emerald necklace...but all this like the mention of Marie Feodorevnas sapphire brooch do not belong to this thread!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 12, 2010, 12:46:01 PM
Ella had more emeralds than just those given to Marie P (which were sold to Missy and to Mignon). If you read the bio on Ella, she had much more emeralds than that...
How do you know EXACTLY  what emeralds Elizabeth had (have you pics...lists?)....some were obviously reset and not 2 different lots of stones just the same emeralds in 2 different settings
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
I don't think so. I am speculating and since you do not have a list either you cannot say that Ella did not give some of her emerald to Alice. I think your tone is quite rude.  :o
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: primrose on July 12, 2010, 11:12:08 PM
Ella had more emeralds than just those given to Marie P (which were sold to Missy and to Mignon). If you read the bio on Ella, she had much more emeralds than that...

Sorry Eric.... that's not a speculative comment, it's a statement of fact (your fact), but the only reference you give to back it up is alluding to the 'bio on Ella'. Which bio on Ella? And why should ashdean have to pore through these volumes when YOU are the one who needs to quote chapter and verse.

If you are making speculative comments they need to be identified as such, not jotted down as fact. And the onus is on YOU to provide the evidence.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
The Christmas tree episode is in almost every bio of Ella and well known. One does not need to plow through bios to look for that fact. The fact that I mentioned Marie Feodorovna's brooch is an example and very relevent to the subject.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: primrose on July 13, 2010, 12:39:35 AM
There you go again.... playing the avoidance card when you're confronted with your own words.

You well know that the rules of this community are that facts cannot be invented, nor can speculation be passed off as gospel. You get away with doing this more often than not but sooner or later someone asks for references and of course you don't have them to give. RULES OF THE GAME --- if you're asked to back up a statement you must give chapter and verse and not weasel out by saying something like

"The Christmas tree episode is in almost every bio of Ella and well known. One does not need to plow through bios to look for that fact."

This is not junior high school, it's a serious community devoted to Russian History, generously provided with very few strings attached... but there are a couple,  and sad to say, you regularly flaunt them.

Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2010, 12:51:46 AM
Yet. This thread is devoted to Greek jewels. We are getting off topic here.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 13, 2010, 01:05:29 AM
I think your tone is quite rude.  :o

Sorry but you are the rude one. Ashdean is a credit to the forum, his input is much valued & as we can rely on his posts to be accurate. 

....& more avoidance strategies....will you ever take notice?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 13, 2010, 02:45:59 AM
Yet. This thread is devoted to Greek jewels. We are getting off topic here.
Isnt you suggesting we are getting off topic rather rich!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 13, 2010, 04:20:30 AM
I don't think so. I am speculating and since you do not have a list either you cannot say that Ella did not give some of her emerald to Alice. I think your tone is quite rude.  :o
As for my tone being rude....I could name off the top of my head 10 members of this board apart from myself who find you both rude and exasperating!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2010, 11:38:46 AM
Back to topic, everyone.   :)

Don't know the exact gift list (I think most royals gave some jewel to her). Ella as her aunt would have presented her with some lovely jewel.

I believe it was written somewhere on her or one of the jewel forums that the aquamarines WERE her wedding present from her Aunt Ella.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Indeed. That is why I said I was "speculating" that since Ella had such a good collection of emeralds, she "may" have given her niece for a present (maybe her coming out gift ?). Queen Olga's emerald collection was one of those who rival Ella's. Would love to know whatever it was true that Dimitri had given Coco Chanel an emerald necklace ?  8)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2010, 03:08:54 PM
Indeed. That is why I said I was "speculating" that since Ella had such a good collection of emeralds, she "may" have given her niece for a present (maybe her coming out gift ?). Queen Olga's emerald collection was one of those who rival Ella's. Would love to know whatever it was true that Dimitri had given Coco Chanel an emerald necklace ?  8)

From Coco Chanel by Henry Gidel

"Chanel’s inspiration for creating her jewelry was widely diverse. The Romanov jewels given to her by the Grand Duke Dimitri of Russia, gave her ideas to create long gilt chains with Baroque crosses. The wonderful jewels given by the Duke of Westminster, rich with Indian emeralds, rubies and sapphires, gave her endless ideas of creating the wonderful costume jewelry. "

I, Maya Plisetskaya  by Maya Plisetskaya detatils Coco bringing out oodles of precious gems (almost too many and of serious quality for the author to believe at first they are real) and says that some, including an emerald bracelet, came from Dimitri.

From Chanel No.1 by John Updike:

"the jewellery
(‘Indian bibs of rare diamonds and emeralds, matching bracelets of rubies, emeralds and sapphires, brilliant solitaires, strands of diamonds and emeralds, and ropes of pearls’) that the besotted Duke bestowed upon her transmographied into gaudy costume ornaments – ‘she turned the snobbish realm of jewelery into the fantasy world of the fake.’"
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 13, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Coco Chanel had many precious stones reset by her celebrated desifner the Sicilian Duke of Verdura.
The Duke who Updike mentions however was her lover the 2nd Duke of Westminster.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2010, 03:31:01 PM
Thanks ! It seems like somebody is wrong in saying an emerald necklace when it was just a bracelet. However it would be impossible to know if it was from Ella or part of Dimitri's heritage from her mother (Grand Duchess Paul of Russia, born Princess Alexandra of Greece). That part was never made clear if Ella had Alexandra's jewels in trust for her children. There is also possible that Dimitri's bracelet could have been a present to his mother from his grandmother Queen Olga.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2010, 03:50:21 PM
Coco had many emeralds--the bracelet was just specifically pointed out in this one memoir. (And the author notes the tons of jewels she had that were supposedly from Dimitri) So it can't be concluded that she didn't have a necklace as well.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2010, 03:51:25 PM
Coco Chanel had many precious stones reset by her celebrated desifner the Sicilian Duke of Verdura.
The Duke who Updike mentions however was her lover the 2nd Duke of Westminster.

From a jewels blog:

"We all know Coco Chanel loved her costume jewelry.  In the 1930s one of Coco's friends, Fulco di Verdura, created the Maltese Cross cuff for her. He had been hired by her as head textile designer and then in 1927 they began their collaboration for Chanel's costume jewelry collection.  In 1934 he created the Maltese Cross cuff, using a cross given to her by Grand Duke Dmitri of Russia. The design is still used today and Chanel's cuff bracelets are still some of the best. "
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2010, 04:06:52 PM
I know that piece well...you can still buy replicas of it today.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 28, 2010, 06:39:02 AM
Although not strictly jewelry. I was intrigued to learn that King Paul's collection of Faberge animals etc was sold in London by Sothebys in November 1957.Interestingly the King was very much still alive.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 28, 2010, 06:50:42 AM
I wonder who left him the collection ? His grandmother Queen Olga ?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 28, 2010, 09:01:26 AM
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing ashdean. It must be awful and so sad to be in a position where you HAVE to sell off your property piece by piece....:(
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 28, 2010, 10:05:40 AM
But the King also bought Frederica some major pieces--including the huge sapphire that belonged to Queen Marie of Romania. Didn't he also buy the emerald set back from Queen Elisabeth of Greece that had previously belonged to Queen Olga?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 28, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
But the King also bought Frederica some major pieces--including the huge sapphire that belonged to Queen Marie of Romania. Didn't he also buy the emerald set back from Queen Elisabeth of Greece that had previously belonged to Queen Olga?
The King did not buy his wife the 438 carat sapphire.Hans Nadelhoffer the Christies expert and Cartier author told me it was given her by a greek shipping tycoon (Niarchos  I think).It had previously belonged to Paul's sister Helen who had inherited from her mother in law Queen Marie.
As for the emeralds I'm not sure...perhaps Elizabeth surrendered them to her exhusband and the time of their divorce...perhaps there was indeed a financial transaction....whatever it was long before 1957 indeed even before Elisabeths deportation from Romania as Frederika wore the emeralds in Nov 1947 at the Royal wedding in London.
Perhaps in 1957 Paul was raising money to help finance the purchace of Queen Olga's rubies from the heirs of his recently deceased aunt Princess Nicholas.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 28, 2010, 02:48:43 PM
Thanks for the clarification on the sapphire, Ashdean. You really are the Forum jewel expert.  :)  Perhaps, if George II was left the emeralds directly, the tiara simply passed from him to his sister-in-law?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2010, 11:16:07 AM
I think the emeralds were returned to George II after the divorce as part of the settlement. Elisabetta at that time was quite independently wealthy after her inheritance from her father Nando. Yes Paul bought Queen Olga's rubies from Olga of Yugoslavia.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 29, 2010, 12:30:04 PM
Thanks for the clarification on the sapphire, Ashdean. You really are the Forum jewel expert.  :)  Perhaps, if George II was left the emeralds directly, the tiara simply passed from him to his sister-in-law?
Thankyou for yr kind words  grandduchess.
The emeralds were always classed as heirlooms and seem to have been handed over by one living Queen to the next.Olga circa 1914 to Sophie, Sophie after her husbands death to Elizabeth....As  the emeralds were not seen from the late 1930s to 1947 ( more because of WW2 than the divorce) it is difficult to ascertain exactly when they were returned to George or if he handed them over to Paul/Fredrica or they had to wait till his death to inherit them. What we do know is that the settings they were in from Elizabeths time...principally the diadem,earrings and large pendant stomacher (there is also at least a eighth emerald drop)have remained.In a extremely generous gesture Frederika (who seems to have preferred to wear the diadem in its necklace form) carried on the tradition by handing the suite and Queen Olgas rubies (which as King Paul had personally bought from the heirs of his aunt  she was not obliged to do) to her new daughter in law at the time of the wedding.
Queen Anne Marie has worn the emerald drops in a variety of ways....as detached pendants from the brooch/stomacher on  a diamond necklace given her by King Constantine (now owned by daughter Alexia) on a diamond link necklace inherited from her grandmother Queen Alexandrine of Denmark and on a diamond rivere.
Anne Marie has also added magnificent emerald and ruby braclets to each parure.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
Ursula's site (referenced by many and full of good first hand info) might need correction then. She indicates that the emeralds were left to Constantine in Olga's will but since he predeceased her, they went directly to George II. You're saying it was a Queen to Queen transfer instead?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 29, 2010, 02:42:20 PM
Ursula's site (referenced by many and full of good first hand info) might need correction then. She indicates that the emeralds were left to Constantine in Olga's will but since he predeceased her, they went directly to George II. You're saying it was a Queen to Queen transfer instead?
Prince Christopher of greece in his memoirs mentions the handover.I think (taken from memory) that Olga wanted to be given to Constantine/Sophie for their silver wedding (Oct 1914) as king George had died in March 1913...this gives a narrow time frame for the hand over.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2010, 04:32:10 PM
Yes. A very narrow slit of time. Although Queen Sophie usually appears in her own big diamond tiara and ropes of pears with a choker.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on July 30, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
Yes. A very narrow slit of time. Although Queen Sophie usually appears in her own big diamond tiara and ropes of pears with a choker.
Sophie appars in photographs wearing several diamond tiaras the smallest of which is still in the greek family although it was Cristina of Spain who wore it last.
The emeralds however were defintely in her hands for about a decade.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 01, 2010, 09:56:47 PM
Evidently. Even though some say emeralds were back luck.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 02, 2010, 01:13:10 AM
Evidently. Even though some say emeralds were back luck.
Superstition has nothing to do with this subject!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 06:21:11 AM
The royals do believe in it too. Empress Eugenie of France did believe her pearls from Empress Josephine did bring her bad luck.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 02, 2010, 10:09:18 AM
The royals do believe in it too. Empress Eugenie of France did believe her pearls from Empress Josephine did bring her bad luck.
This board is for serious comments NOT endless speculations and Superstitions....and WHAT has the Empresses Josephine and Eugenie's superstions (or pearls) to do with the jewels of the Greek royal family????????????
Wriggle out of that one!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
Just to prove a point that emeralds are considered unlucky even among royals. The misfortune of those who wore them seem to vindicate this supersition.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 02, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
Just to prove a point that emeralds are considered unlucky even among royals. The misfortune of those who wore them seem to vindicate this supersition.
You have proved NOTHING except as usual you are waffling for the sake of waffling!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 02, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
Hi,

I have never heard that premise - that emeralds are unlucky.
Many royals wear them and have lovely collections of them also.
Certainly the old Duchess of Cambridge would consider herself lucky at having won all those emeralds years ago.

I would like to have a list of royal people, who consider emeralds unlucky and why;  and what exactly tragic happened to them to give emeralds this distinction.
Eric - since you initiated this rumour, perhaps you can do some real research and give us a full listing for our edifcation and knowledge.
We will all await your assignment with baited breath.  I'm sure Ashdean will be anxious to see it, as will I....

Ashdean:
I consider you the epitome of jewelry knowledge here;  and would always look to you to guide us through the various parures and etc.
Keep on keeping on with educating us!!

Larry
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
I once read in a book that emeralds are not lucky stones for ladies under thirty and tragedy would hit. It is superstition of course but it did seem to follow the course when famous jewellery collectors of emerald did not seem to have a happy life. I would dig out the book on this. although from the looks of it it seems an interesting case. Queen Olga who had a fabulous collection of emeralds, lost her daughter Olga and later Alexandra early. Her husband assinatated, she was exiled. Another emerald collector was Ella (Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna of Russia). Her tragic story was well known and she passed the emerald set to Grand Duchess Marie Paulovna the younger, who was exiled and unfulfilled. The set was bought by Missy who gave it to their daughter Mignon. Mignon lost her husband and her throne. The set was passed finally to King Peter & Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia, who were both unhappy and divorced. The emerald set was sold. The son of King Peter & Queen Alexandra (Crown Prince Alexander) had a good second marriage and healthy children. I guess he does not miss the emeralds.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 02, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Hi Eric,

Yes, I can see that that is a good list and the consequences involved.  Thank you for that!!

Personally, I would guess that emeralds would be more a 'good luck' charm, being green, the colour of renewal.
And, rubies more of a 'bad luck' gem, being red, a firey colour.
But then, the Hope Diamond is blue and its reputation is catastrophic.  Who knows??....

Larry
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 02, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
If anyone has any Emeralds that they feel are unlucky, please send them to me as I am certain I will DEFINATELY find a good home for them somewhere!

:)
 :)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:11:24 PM
You are a man not a woman, that is not the same.  :D
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 02, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
oh!
 :(
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:24:13 PM
You can get PrinceCharles's signet ring ?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 02, 2010, 10:32:02 PM
Isn't he using it?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:35:08 PM
I think most royal men has one. Maybe even the Greek Princes ?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 10:37:48 PM
You are a man not a woman, that is not the same.  :D

Well, I'm a woman so I'll take Ilias's spot.  :)

I always found superstitions tied in with jewels, etc... fairly interesting, though obviously unscientific. (Same with the language of flowers) My mother is rather New-Agey so I hear all about the healing power of this and the healing power of that.  :)

Here's what I found on emeralds:

"For some six thousand years, emerald has represented a powerful force capable of protecting the bearer from a myriad of dangers to the point where the stone was once thought to impart immortality. As with many other crystal stones, emerald is said to enhance greatly intellectual abilities and improve one’s general health and wellbeing. The stone is thought to have the ability to cure a number of physical maladies, including blindness and seizures. Many admirers of emerald believe that this stone can impart great feelings of love and inner peace to the bearer. Emerald can make an appropriate gift on occasions such as anniversaries or as signs of friendship, love and respect."

Wasn't it Queen Alexandra who was superstitious about opals and had many of QV's pieces reset? Albert, on the other hand, had been a great admirer of the stone--hence QV having many of those stones.

And while some royals have had very bad luck while in possession of emeralds, just as many had pretty good lives. Just look at the British royal family.  :)  The Russians and tougher because they owned huge sets of almost every kind of jewel! It would be hard to pin down just one as a source of bad mojo.  ;) It could just be the law of averages--most royal families had huge emeralds sets and thus those who had terrible luck were statistically likely to own that particular jewels. They were just as likely to own sapphires, pearls  or rubies--or aquamarines in Ella's case.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 10:39:48 PM
I think most royal men has one. Maybe even the Greek Princes ?

Charles's signet ring

(http://www.familysealrings.com/folio/images/work1/3.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Nice signet ring. I think the Greek Princes have nice rings and stick pins too.

Yes, that is not very scientific but some people believed it. I don't think the present Queen wore a lot of emeralds as a young woman.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 10:54:51 PM
She's worn the Cambridge emeralds since at least early on in her reign--when she was in her 20s. Prior to that she didn't wear much jewelry at all. The Vladimir tiara is, of course, a favorite. The Gloucesters also have very nice emeralds--mostly wedding presents from the Duke to his wife and also from GV & QM. Queen Alexandra had an emerald tiara but I don't know that I've ever seen a photo (only press descriptions) but she had a number of brooches and other pieces. Many of her Indian pieces contained emeralds as well.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 11:03:19 PM
I think most royal men has one. Maybe even the Greek Princes ?

Tying it back to Greek jewels, isn't it true that Philip wears his late father's signet ring?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 03, 2010, 04:09:26 AM
Hi,

Ashdean:
I consider you the epitome of jewelry knowledge here;  and would always look to you to guide us through the various parures and etc.
Keep on keeping on with educating us!!

Larry
Thankyou Larry for that charming and very undeserved compliment.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 08:48:09 AM
Yes according to some newspapers he does seems to wear it. Indeed there is not enough attention pay to men's jewelry (rings, bracelets, chain with crosses, tie pins..etc) here.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: grandduchessella on August 03, 2010, 09:09:03 AM
One article written on Philip indicated it was one of the few of his father's possessions that was left upon Andrew's death. I would imagine that would increase its sentimental value regardless of any monetary worth.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 09:13:38 AM
The Greeks has tradition of men wearing gold rings, bracelets and chain with crosses. The Greek princes might have picked up on this tradition too.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 03, 2010, 06:00:16 PM
When King Konstantine was last in Melbourne with Prince Nikolaos, I can only remember His Majesty wearing his wedding ring.
I don't remember Prince Niko wearing any jewellery, but then we were to busy talking and drinking gin and tonics, and ouzo's and coke!
Nice guy Prince Niko, a credit to his family!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 10:59:20 PM
I don't think King Konstantine II was fussy about jewelry, while his grand uncle Prince Nicholas or Prince Christopher of Greece may have worn some jewels.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 17, 2010, 05:09:53 PM
I don't think that I would ever like to have that ring, but I'd like to get a better look at it, looks very interesting.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2010, 09:55:32 PM
The POW feathers are very attractives.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 17, 2010, 10:00:38 PM
Is that what they are on the ring?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
Yes. On the picture. Most Royal men owns a signet ring with family crest on it.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 17, 2010, 10:04:35 PM
Oh, when I first looked at the picture I wasn't really sure what they were. Then when I read your post, I went back and looked at it a bit more closely and I don't know why I didn't notice it before. Thankyou!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2010, 10:08:07 PM
You are welcome.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 26, 2010, 12:30:40 PM
Thanks ! It seems like somebody is wrong in saying an emerald necklace when it was just a bracelet. However it would be impossible to know if it was from Ella or part of Dimitri's heritage from her mother (Grand Duchess Paul of Russia, born Princess Alexandra of Greece). That part was never made clear if Ella had Alexandra's jewels in trust for her children. There is also possible that Dimitri's bracelet could have been a present to his mother from his grandmother Queen Olga.
Marie Pavlovna in her memoirs mentions how in the run up to her first marriage her father and aunt Ella met to divide up her mothers gems,furs and lace.Marie seems to have inherited the turoquise suite,a diamond fringe diadem,pearls amongst other items....as she was given her aunts celebrated emeralds it is not unlikely her late mothers emeralds were set aside in Dimitris portion.Marie had many other gems including a ruby suite,a diamond and pearl tiara and (as a wedding present from her father) a sapphire tiara.All were spirited out of Russia to Sweden during the revolution
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 26, 2010, 12:33:05 PM
Queen Anne Marie was very beautiful and she wore her jewels very well, as a true queen:

-Do you know this diadem?

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4844/grec14.jpg)

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7665/ball1n.jpg)

-With the emerald parure:

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7403/ball23.jpg)

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9276/ball33.jpg)
The small diadem came to Anne Marie from her parents and was originally a stomacher which was adapted.In recent times it has been seen on the heads of her daughter in law AND younger daughter....who knows it might be the new Princess nicholas wearing it next!
And the new Princess Nicholas did wear it!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 26, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
She photograph's very well.  :)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
Thanks Ashdean for the details of the division. Although I read Ella also gave Dimitri a share of her jewels too. I guess we will never know which part she set aside for him. It is interesting that Marie could have lived comfortably with the sale of her jewels (much more than Olga Alexandrovna was able to take out) and the occational cash from the Swedish Royal family. Apart from the court photos taken in Sweden, I haven't see the other pieces (the ruby parure and the sapphire tiara). The only sapphire piece I saw was the bracelet she wore as a bandeau for a portrait. I guess that was from the Greek Royal Jewels given to her through her mother's legacy and of course from Queen Olga.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
And the new Princess Nicholas did wear it!

Yes and she looks absolutely amazing with it!

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4355/6401lanoviatatianablatn.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 03:33:56 PM
Yes and so did Marie Chantel before her.  ;)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 26, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
She looks stunning in that picture. I love the tiara.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
Princess Tatiana look stunning with minimum jewelry. Her gown was very simple and elegant. She did learn style from Diane Von Furstenburg. :-)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Svetabel on August 27, 2010, 03:56:20 AM
Blurry photo of Queen Olga and I can't understand - is that tiara or just the elaborate hair-do with pearls?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/QueenOlga.jpg)


Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 27, 2010, 06:34:52 AM
And again about Anne Marie s tiara. I saw another image of it and i can see it had some minor changes

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2645/34rbwa8.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 27, 2010, 08:00:47 AM
The one wearing it is Princess Alexia here. However she did not get married in this tiara but the scroll tiara that used to belong to Crown Princess Margaret of Sweden (of Connaught originally).
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 27, 2010, 11:16:25 AM
Svetabel it looks like a tiara to me. :)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 27, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
I think it was shaped like a Russian headdress.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on August 27, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
Blurry photo of Queen Olga and I can't understand - is that tiara or just the elaborate hair-do with pearls?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/QueenOlga.jpg)



I think it was a velvet head dress sewn with gems...the original form of kokoshonik
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Svetabel on August 28, 2010, 02:39:40 AM

I think it was a velvet head dress sewn with gems...the original form of kokoshonik

Oh, I see, I for some reason forgot about kokoskniks..blurriness of the photo confused me. Thanks!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2010, 08:29:08 AM
Yes. A Kokoshonik ! I seen some sown in with lovely jewels in other grand duchesses.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: KarlandZita on September 22, 2010, 06:19:47 AM
This Tiara bay leaves in diamonds was made by Cartier for the wedding of Princess Marie Bonaparte, future Princess George of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Royal%20Jewels/vbg004.jpg)


Brooch with turquoise and diamonds, work from home Boivin, provider of the Romanovs, who belonged to the wife of Prince Peter of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Royal%20Jewels/boivinpetergreece.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 22, 2010, 07:38:22 AM
The same tiara posted above with a lovely "teardrop" detail

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4617/grcediadmedelapcseugnie.jpg)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 09:51:17 AM
I think Frederica later bought that huge sapphire. she was seen wearing it in a photo with her daughter Irene. I also see Frederica had another diamond & pearl necklace with Es that Irene wore as a tiara. Think that had belonged to Elisabetta too.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 22, 2010, 11:56:30 AM
I think Frederica later bought that huge sapphire. she was seen wearing it in a photo with her daughter Irene. I also see Frederica had another diamond & pearl necklace with Es that Irene wore as a tiara. Think that had belonged to Elisabetta too.
YOU think WRONG Eric!...As has been posted and discussed on this thread numerous times the sapphire was given to Fredrika by a greek millionaire.
Please read before you post for postings sake AND the necklace (which was sold in Italy a few years ago by its owner Irene gas no mention of Elisabetta ...IF you can furnish details of yr assumption that would be very interesting to read!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 01:05:52 PM
So may I ask where did the Greek millionare got the sapphire ? Directly from Missy's death bed ? It is ok to critize others, but you must also give the complete answer if you are able too...
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 22, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
Thank you ashdean for furnishing us with correct information!! It's so interesting and really appreciated! I wish others would.....:)
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 02:25:30 PM
Adding nothing Eddie.

I think it might be Ileana who sold it to Cartier and the Greek Millionaire bought it through that direction ? Otherwise I do not see the trails there.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 22, 2010, 02:32:47 PM
lol coming from you Eric thats rich, you add NOTHING and 99% of what you add is rubbish & based on nothing, just to make yourself out to be clever. I DREAD to think what your books are like, I shudder to think of your errors going into print. I think everyone would be grateful if you stuck to 5 posts a day and at least know SOMETHING about the topic you post about and not a load of waffle & untruths. Thank you.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 22, 2010, 02:55:14 PM
So may I ask where did the Greek millionare got the sapphire ? Directly from Missy's death bed ? It is ok to critize others, but you must also give the complete answer if you are able too...
The answer has already been posted...I do not  waste peoples time OR TRY their patience by reiterating over and over again and again!
Just so you know that SOME OF US can verify what they are talking about....The sapphire was sold AFTER 1948 by Helen of Romania (however the necklace was retained...worn by Queen Anne on her wedding day -with another pendant- and was still in the Queens casket in 1983). The sapphire was subsuquently bought by Niarchos (?)  and given to Frederika.
The complete story is told in a letter I have from Hans Nadelhoffer (1940-84) as well as in the footnotes of his authorative and exhaustive book on Cartier (FIRST EDITION, 1984).
WHEN you have checked....I hope you will be satisfied I am not wasting any fellow forum members time with supersitions and innane ramblings and HOPEFULLY follow suit with yr own Posts!!!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 22, 2010, 02:56:51 PM
I hope you will be satisfied I am not wasting any fellow forum members time with supersitions and innane ramblings and HOPEFULLY follow suit with yr own Posts!!!

One can only hope.....
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 22, 2010, 02:58:13 PM
I think Frederica later bought that huge sapphire. she was seen wearing it in a photo with her daughter Irene. I also see Frederica had another diamond & pearl necklace with Es that Irene wore as a tiara. Think that had belonged to Elisabetta too.
And yr verification on Elisabetta of Romania/Greece owning the necklace before Irene?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
I heard it from as ource. The E design on the emerald tiara is alo evident on diamond & pearl necklace/tiara. That was quite an unusual design. Queen Frederica also detached one of the Es as a brooch on the event of the birth of Princess Alexia.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 22, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
I heard it from as ource. The E design on the emerald tiara is alo evident on diamond & pearl necklace/tiara. That was quite an unusual design. Queen Frederica also detached one of the Es as a brooch on the event of the birth of Princess Alexia.
From "A SOURCE" !!!!!???? for a stickler for detail  that cuts little credence!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 22, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
Hi,

What's an "ource"???  And, you 'heard' it....from where - - 'through the grapevine' - from Gladys Knight or one of her Pips???

You really don't care what you write here, do you Eric?  Mostly drivel to get your post numbers up...
Please, do yourself a favour and check your spelling and your grammar and above all, your facts,  in order to receive some much needed respect form us here...  Some constructive criticizm for you...

Larry
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2010, 10:41:32 AM
Thanks for the constuctive criticism. A source close to the Romanian royals.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 23, 2010, 11:16:46 AM
Thanks for the constuctive criticism. A source close to the Romanian royals.
NOT good enough....YOU ASK for chapter and verse...please practise what you preach.....
OR shut up!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2010, 12:34:32 PM
I do NOT need your permission to say what I want. You can either listen or tune out. It came from Mr. John Wimbles and confirmed by another source close to the Romanian Royal Family. It is not a published yet...even better than pages from a book who could also be wrong. Please do not address to me in such a RUDE manner or I will complain to the board. I will most certainly not "shut up".
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on September 23, 2010, 12:52:34 PM
I do NOT need your permission to say what I want. You can either listen or tune out. It came from Mr. John Wimbles and confirmed by another source close to the Romanian Royal Family. It is not a published yet...even better than pages from a book who could also be wrong. Please do not address to me in such a RUDE manner or I will complain to the board. I will most certainly not "shut up".
YOU NEED NOBODIES PERMISSION BUT THEN WHO NEEDS YOURS!... AND who gives you the right to constantly challenge other postings...MR KNOW IT ALL THAT KNOWS VERY LITTLE!!....AND EVERYBODY ELSE is always wrong but YOU!
REPORT ME to who you like...but REMEMBER...I am not the one who constantly posts innane ramblings on here and gets the back up of half the membership !...IF I am in the wrong I will happily leave the forum...CAN YOU say the same?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 23, 2010, 03:51:46 PM
Hi,

Oh Gawd!! Ashdean, don't you dare leave this board.......  We will then all have to hunt you down and drag you back on again!!!

I must say though, in defence of Eric, if John Wimbles told him this information, then it would most probably be correct.
I respect John W. very much and he is much more knowledgeable about 'all things royal, noble and aristocratic' than I ever will be.

But, I also respect your superior intelligence about jewelry also....  Bring on those rubies and emeralds and various treasure chests!!

Larry
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 04, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
Since it seems like we have settle our differences in dicussion, I think we should continue this thread. Just saw Princess Alexia with a tiara I have not seen before. It was supposed to be Constantine II present to Queen Anne Marie.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Brassov on April 09, 2012, 08:24:28 AM
Yes, I saw some photos of The Crown Princess attending the Ruby anniversary dinner in Denmark, and she was wearing the most beautiful tiara I have ever seen. Apparently it has not been seen in public for decades. Does anyone know anything about this tiara ? It really is magnificent. What else are the Greek Royals hiding in their closets ? 
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2012, 02:24:27 PM
That big tiara was part of Princess Sophie of Prussia's dowry when she married Crown Prince Constantine of Greece. Queen Sophie wore it throughout her life even after she was widowed. She did not pass it to her daughter-in-law Queen Elisabetta. It appeared again when Queen Frederica wore it again. However for some reason it wasn't worn by the present Queen Anne Marie, and that led to the rumor that it was lost or sold by the late Queen Mother of Greece. Glad Crown Princess Chantal wore it and confirmed that it is still with the family. Many chokers worn by Queen Sophie of Greece hasn't re-appeared yet.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Brassov on April 10, 2012, 09:13:57 AM
I cannot understand it. I have been under the impression that the Greek Royals were a bit strapped for cash, and out pops the most beautiful tiara I have ever seen. Probably worth a fortune as well. Perhaps the reason it has not been worn for decades is because it has a bad omen or something, who knows ? Breathtaking anyway. Perhaps someone else has more pics of this tiara ?
Thank You for your reply.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: CountessKate on April 10, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
The Royal Splendor blog has a good picture, the last on the page:

http://royal-splendor.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/queen-margrethes-ruby-anniversary-gala.html
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2012, 08:55:04 AM
Yes. They have been selling jewels too. Like Queen Frederica's big sapphire (from Missy originally I think). But that big tiara has always been worn by Queens of Greece since Queen Sophie. The only reason it has not been worn since might have been Queen Anne Marie's dislike of it I think...
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Brassov on April 11, 2012, 09:02:23 AM
Or perhaps her dislike of the previous owner ? Who knows. I would love to know the real reason for keeping it hidden for so long.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
The previous owner was her mother-in-law, Queen Frederica. Also the tiara is quite big and Anne Marie has two other tiaras (ruby & emerald) to choose from.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 11, 2012, 09:26:30 AM
Same here Brassov. You would perhaps think that if they disliked the piece so much, as to not wear it, then they would have sold it by now...

When the Greek Royal Family went into exile in 1973 where they allowed to take with them what they liked?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2012, 11:37:50 AM
There is no proof that Anne Marie did not wear it for that reason. Maybe it was too fussy and heavy for her.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Brassov on April 12, 2012, 04:52:58 AM
I don't think they could take very much with them. From what I know they left in quite a hurry, so beyond personal items and jewellery and what was in the palace safe, I would imagine they left with very little. Of course it would be very interesting to find out exactly how they managed to get the jewellery out, remembering that each piece was probably in a presentation case, thus increasing the bulk. Perhaps it was literally thrown in a suitcase before they left for the airport. But then the Greek Royal Family, given the historical insecurity of their position, would, I imagine, have had an "escape" plan. I also wonder if they had to leave any jewellery behind ? From all accounts they did not take silver, furniture or paintings when they left, I think this is made obvious by the subsequent legal battles King Constantine had to endure to regain his property. One can only imagine the anxiety and humiliation he had to go through.
 
A great deal of mystery surrounds the Greek Royal family, and the strange "on, off"  relationship the Greeks have had with them since their inception.
I don't think we will ever find out..............but I remain intrigued by that tiara !!!           
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2012, 01:49:41 PM
I think they traveled with their jewelery. Queen Olga of Greece had all of her jewels in tact and willed them to her grandchildren. That was why Queen Sophie of Greece never got to wear her mother-in-law's fabulous emerald collection. It was left to George II and he gave them to his wife Elisabetta to wear. These were later either sold or returned to George II's successor, King Paul of Greece. Queen Frederica also bought back the ruby parure (also once owned by Queen Olga) from Princess Paul of Yugoslavia. The ruby and emerald set were constantly worn by the Queen and her daughter-in-law until her death. It was then the big tiara began to appear to be missing and fueling speculation. Glad its reappearance squashed the rumors that it had been sold. As for the China & Silver, there was quite a bit being sold in Greece from the collection in Tatoi. 
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on March 17, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
I think they traveled with their jewelery. Queen Olga of Greece had all of her jewels in tact and willed them to her grandchildren. That was why Queen Sophie of Greece never got to wear her mother-in-law's fabulous emerald collection. It was left to George II and he gave them to his wife Elisabetta to wear. These were later either sold or returned to George II's successor, King Paul of Greece. Queen Frederica also bought back the ruby parure (also once owned by Queen Olga) from Princess Paul of Yugoslavia. The ruby and emerald set were constantly worn by the Queen and her daughter-in-law until her death. It was then the big tiara began to appear to be missing and fueling speculation. Glad its reappearance squashed the rumors that it had been sold. As for the China & Silver, there was quite a bit being sold in Greece from the collection in Tatoi. 
Prince Christopher of Greece mentions how his mother Queen Olga presented the emeralds circa 1914 as a silver wedding present to her eldest son Constantine and his wife Sophie...whatever the reason why we have no proof Sophie actually wore them (as opposed to owned them) is because she may not have had occasion due to the immediate war and then their  exile.Perhaps Sophie didnt like emeralds and preferred the wonderful diamond tiaras,pearls and turquoises already in her collection.This subject has already been discussed long ago on this very site.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on March 17, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
I don't think they could take very much with them. From what I know they left in quite a hurry, so beyond personal items and jewellery and what was in the palace safe, I would imagine they left with very little. Of course it would be very interesting to find out exactly how they managed to get the jewellery out, remembering that each piece was probably in a presentation case, thus increasing the bulk. Perhaps it was literally thrown in a suitcase before they left for the airport. But then the Greek Royal Family, given the historical insecurity of their position, would, I imagine, have had an "escape" plan. I also wonder if they had to leave any jewellery behind ? From all accounts they did not take silver, furniture or paintings when they left, I think this is made obvious by the subsequent legal battles King Constantine had to endure to regain his property. One can only imagine the anxiety and humiliation he had to go through.
 
A great deal of mystery surrounds the Greek Royal family, and the strange "on, off"  relationship the Greeks have had with them since their inception.
I don't think we will ever find out..............but I remain intrigued by that tiara !!!           
The gems were no doubt taken out by the Danish embassy who had very close ties with the royal family for many generations.The Danish embassy had also taken many of the same gems out of Russia for Queen Olga 50 years earlier!
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2013, 07:56:16 PM
I think the emeralds did not became part of Queen Sophie's collection because she simply never wore them. If it was up to her, she would not have given Elisabetta any jewels. That was the gripe that Missy had with Sophie. But after the death of Queen Olga, King George II inherited the emeralds from his grandmother and presented them to Queen Elisabetta (remember Queen Sophie was still alive then) , who at first wore them as bandeau, but later as the double E motif was in place when she either sold or gave them to Queen Frederica who wore them often.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: ashdean on March 18, 2013, 03:28:49 AM
I think the emeralds did not became part of Queen Sophie's collection because she simply never wore them. If it was up to her, she would not have given Elisabetta any jewels. That was the gripe that Missy had with Sophie. But after the death of Queen Olga, King George II inherited the emeralds from his grandmother and presented them to Queen Elisabetta (remember Queen Sophie was still alive then) , who at first wore them as bandeau, but later as the double E motif was in place when she either sold or gave them to Queen Frederica who wore them often.
You THINK...but you cannot prove that Sophie never had the emeralds in her hands....and we know all about the gripe between Marie and Sophie...one of the reasons Marie was angry was that Sophie still had all her gems (emeralds included) and Maries were lost in Russia.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 18, 2013, 05:49:34 AM
The proof is that the emeralds came into Elisabetta's procession after the death of Queen Olga, that means it was in the will of the old queen.That is proof enough. I have been told by a researcher who read the Queen will that the jewels were dispersed after Queen Olga died. That is why Queen Sophie never wore the ruby parure (it was left to Prince Nicholas who gave it to Princess Paul of Yugoslavia) because she never owned it. The same goes for the emeralds. It was willed to George II by Dowager Queen Olga after her death. So Queen Sophie cannot stop Elisabetta from receiving them. This is proof enough. Unless you can prove that Queen Sophie voluntarily gave them to Elisabetta, there is no proof that she ever got it and would have parted them to Elisabetta. In fact, her opinion of he daughter-in-law went from bad to worse. So logically it does not make sense. Queen Olga on the other hand was a great friend of Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna (Elisabetta's grandmother) and had no qualms of leaving jewelery to her granddaughter-in-law, even though she did left them to her grandson.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
Blurry photo of Queen Olga and I can't understand - is that tiara or just the elaborate hair-do with pearls?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/QueenOlga.jpg)




4 years in searching the better version of the photo and finally;

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/P1160143_zps3b772266.jpg)

1880 year.
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2014, 01:09:19 AM
Wonder which granddaughter got the pearls ?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: rachel5a on August 09, 2014, 02:54:11 AM
Did she leave something to GD Maria Pavlovna and GD Dmitri (her daughter's children)?
Title: Re: Greek royal jewels
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2014, 10:47:03 PM
Not sure. Each of the granddaughters got something in her will.