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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna => Topic started by: amartin71718 on November 02, 2010, 08:28:52 PM

Title: Ella's Health
Post by: amartin71718 on November 02, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
In the female side of the bloodline, the hereditary illness was apparent in other forms. Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna was a very sick lady.
I came across this statement in the 'Alexandra and her Health' board (pg. 54) and was wondering if anyone could add any more detail to it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 04, 2010, 02:35:26 PM
Well...She was in better health than Alicky though. Their sisters VMH & Irene both lived to ripe old age.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: matushka on November 05, 2010, 01:15:42 AM
Siridovich wrote somewhere in his first tome of "The last years of the court of Tsarskoe Selo" that GD Elisabeth was very unhealthy. I do not know exactly what does he mean. I only know for sure that Ella had to take a cure in Germany (Franzenbad) in 1896. Elsewhere in their letters and diaries I remember they mentions problem with legs (blood circulation?). Then she had a chirurgical intervention in 1907, something very serious which was discussed in those forum pages. Reading the letter she zrote to the Tsar announcing her operation, I was amazed by the fact she had serious pains during years and she never complained about it, having a very active life. Can find the quote if you want. Do people of those times know something else, perhaps related to infertility? I am aslo looking for information!
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2010, 11:09:55 AM
That is a pretty broad statement --"unhealthy". I think Alicky was more sickly than her reminding of her "cure" in Harrogate before her marriage. After that she complained of constant series of "migrine headaches" in the first years of marriage.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Svetabel on November 10, 2010, 09:01:07 AM
Grand Duchess sometimes had serious illnesses - not only usual seasonal like cold and flue - but once in 1897 she had measles.

In 1898 by accident her nasal bridge was seriuosly damaged and she had little scars on it and on forehead.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Svetabel on November 10, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Also she had parotit in 1893.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: amartin71718 on November 10, 2010, 04:20:26 PM
In 1898 by accident her nasal bridge was seriuosly damaged and she had little scars on it and on forehead.
How did that happen?
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Svetabel on November 11, 2010, 01:42:04 AM
In 1898 by accident her nasal bridge was seriuosly damaged and she had little scars on it and on forehead.
How did that happen?

She was driving in a landau with her husband and some friends and grade crossing-gate dropped just right on her. Other passengers had no injuries.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on November 11, 2010, 02:22:53 AM
That is a pretty broad statement --"unhealthy". I think Alicky was more sickly than her reminding of her "cure" in Harrogate before her marriage. After that she complained of constant series of "migrine headaches" in the first years of marriage.

Like Ella Alexandra suffered from sciatica and gout - I think that Ella mentioned problems in one foot once. The severe headaches were probably inherited from their grandfather Prince Karl of Hesse - Princess Irene and Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig suffered from that too. Prince Karl had it even as a child!

All in all Ella seems to have had quite a good constitution as a young woman - once she wrote about herself the German saying "I've got a horse's health". For instance she writes about the service of the water consecration of the Neva which even the ladies had to attend outside in January. Some ladies of them - like Maria Pavlovna t.e. - had to leave because they felt unwell and were afraid to faint. Ella says that she bore it perfectly well.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Kalafrana on November 11, 2010, 03:38:05 AM
'Grand Duchess sometimes had serious illnesses - not only usual seasonal like cold and flue - but once in 1897 she had measles.'

It would be surprising if someone living in that era went through life without getting measles.Before vaccinations it was pretty much universal. I was born in 1959 and had it aged three. In my age group anyone who hadn't had it by the age of ten was looked upon as a distinct oddity and rather spoilt and sheltered.

Ann
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Kimberly on November 11, 2010, 03:04:33 PM
She also either had fibroids (or endometriosis)...which is very uncomfortable to say the least !!
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Svetabel on November 12, 2010, 01:29:26 AM
At this thread:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11791.75 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11791.75)

Marty asked about the medical report of the oncotomy - surgery in January 1908 year.

And here's this report, translated by me from Russian. The text is from the edition about the correspondence between Grand Duchess and Nicholas II. I did my best in translating medical terms.

"A report by Dr Rein to Nicholas about an illness of Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna

Your Imperial Majesty!

In addition to the telegram sent by the chamberlain of Her Highness Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna there is our loyal report to Your Imperial Majesty:
Her Highness had been ill with fybromioma (benign tumor) during some years, but the last months this illness has became  progressive and the patient has been suffering a lot. We noted the growing of the tumor, profuse bleeding and periodical rising of the temperature because of an associated adnexitis. All that could lead to fatal complications and we considered the one possible radical method in our case – the surgery.

The operation was done this morning at Her Highness’ hospital in a special room. The result is hopeful…

The tumor was excised by celiotomy incision, the fybromioma had grown much into  surrounding organs and broad ligaments at left.

The bleeding during the surgery was trivial, Grand Duchess exercised the chloroform anaesthesia quite well.

The surgery was aceptic. The full time of it was an hour and a half, the tumor was excising during an hour. The surgery was very difficult technically. The complications after it can make place during the next 3 days.
Her Highness regained senses just after the surgery.

Your Imperial Highness’ most loyal subjects:
Academician Rein
Honorary Surgeon in Ordinary,Professor S.Botkin"


It's interesting that 9 days after the surgery Dr. Rein was invited to the Alexander Palace where he told to the Imperial Pair the details of the surgery. Empress Alexandra even asked Dr.Rein to paint the operation schematically.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: amartin71718 on November 12, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2010, 07:05:00 PM
Unfortunately not too much is known about Ella's health before in that detail. Wonder who was her regular doctor in Russia ?
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: amartin71718 on July 10, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Also she had parotit in 1893.
What do you mean by parotit?
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Sunny on July 11, 2011, 04:45:35 AM
I think "parotit" is the scientific name - in italian we call it just like this, parotite or, simpler, orecchioni (litt: big ears)
I know in english it is also called mumps - hope this is more understandable.
It is a childish illness just like measles, but in parotitis you don't have spots. The glands we have in our throat swell and your cheeks are so wide you look like a hamster! it for this reason we call it "big ears": your cheeks and low part of ears swell so much that your face is just like a baloon!
Of course you have high fever, and sore throat; the glands can swell on both sides of your face (this is the worse) or only one. But if you have swellen glands only on one side, you can have this illness again and swell on the other side. Instead, if your glands are swelled on both sides, yu can't take parotitis another time (this was my case when i was 6).
It's not a serious illness, if you take it when you are a child; but if you take it when you are grown up, it's terrible!
They say that a grown up man who takes parotitis can become infertile - in Italy boys of around 12 who never have a vaccination.

Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Kalafrana on July 11, 2011, 05:02:31 AM
Mumps is quite an unpleasant business. I had it when I was eight (before there were vaccinations), and chicken pox immediately after. Mumps was infinitely nastier than chicken pox.

It is much worse in adults of either sex, and in Britain there has recently been an upsurge among students (18-21ish) because the effects of the vaccination tend to wear off.

Ann
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 11, 2011, 11:46:31 AM
It is often remembered that Ella alone escaped the illness that befallen her family. Did she got it later in life ?
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: lori_c on February 17, 2019, 11:14:51 PM
She also either had fibroids (or endometriosis)...which is very uncomfortable to say the least !!
So this could certainly be the answer to the couple's childlessness. Perhaps her female problems were known as early as seven years into her marriage, when the Emperor AIII made the remark to the effect that he knew they would remain without children all their married lives.  Makes sense.  The Russian doctors may have seen it then.
Title: Re: Ella's Health
Post by: TheLionandTheEagle on July 03, 2019, 10:30:57 PM
She also either had fibroids (or endometriosis)...which is very uncomfortable to say the least !!
So this could certainly be the answer to the couple's childlessness. Perhaps her female problems were known as early as seven years into her marriage, when the Emperor AIII made the remark to the effect that he knew they would remain without children all their married lives.  Makes sense.  The Russian doctors may have seen it then.

That and, statistically, if a couple goes seven years without preventing children, it is likely that they will have had children by then or else they probably never will.