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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hohenzollern => Topic started by: Svetabel on November 03, 2010, 07:15:19 AM

Title: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Svetabel on November 03, 2010, 07:15:19 AM
Here's Part 3.

(I merged the previous Parts with the threads on Princess Irene, Henry's wife, as the discussion was not only on her).
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:43:55 AM
I dont know if someone mentioned before this anecdote

"On March 3, 1902, Prince Heinrich of Prussia visited the high-end brothel, Everleigh Club, while in the United States to pick up a ship built for his brother, German Kaiser Wilhelm II. Although the city had sponsored numerous events for Heinrich, his main interest was a visit to the club.

The sisters planned a bacchanalia for the visiting prince, including dancing, dining and a recreation of the dismemberment of Zeus’s son. During one of the dances, a prostitute’s slipper came off and spilled champagne. When one of the prince’s entourage drank the champagne, he started the trend of drinking champagne from a woman’s shoe."[/img]

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everleigh_Club#cite_note-Asbury-3
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on November 16, 2010, 10:46:06 AM
It was discussed in one of the prior threads. Sin in the Second City goes into more detail about the incident since it's about the sisters who owned the Everleigh Club. Quite an interesting book, actually. They planned quite the elaborate presentation for the Prince.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 10:54:44 AM
Thanks!! yes i read that but i didnt understand what does it meant "the dismemberment of Zeus’s son".
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 16, 2010, 11:18:50 AM
This was simply a play act from Greek mythology where Zeus' infant son, Dionysus, for whom gave up his throne, is murdered by the Titans and they chop up the child's body up. Zeus in turn destroys the Titans with a thunder bolt.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Thanks for the explanation!!
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
Doesn't sound very entertaining...being chopped off and destroyed by lightening... ???
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Kalafrana on November 18, 2010, 09:16:18 AM
I'm a bit surprised that Heinrich visited a brothel, however high-class and erudite the entertainment. Did Irene ever find out?

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 18, 2010, 10:25:19 AM
 if she did ever found out or not..im sure she were not happy about it!

i think he ddint told it to her.. i think if she knew it..than he would loose his head ^^ im a little bit shocked about it...If you hear about such a person like henry, who was always lovly, nice gentelman, a good husband and father...than you dont think that he visit a brothel.

but well....
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 10:26:36 AM
I think Irene took it all in her stride marrying a seaman like Heinrich is like VMH marrying Louis Battenberg...
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 18, 2010, 10:31:32 AM


if she did ever found out or not..im sure she were not happy about it!

i think he ddint told it to her.. i think if she knew it..than he would loose his head ^^ im a little bit shocked about it...If you hear about such a person like henry, who was always lovly, nice gentelman, a good husband and father...than you dont think that he visit a brothel.

but well....


The Everleigh Club was not your average run of the mill brothel. An evening would cost the equivalent of $5,000.+ in today's dollars, which means only the very righ and elite could afford such luxury. Dinner alone was over $500. The appointments and decorations were lavish and the establishment was world renowned.

So, it is no wonder Henry was interested in seeing the place and enjoying a great meal. Monarchs and lower nobility were well known to have mistresses galore, so simply visiting a famous brothel that was more lavish than many of their own palaces comes as no surprise. I doubt Irene had any objections. In fact, I'll bet she couldn't wait to hear what it was like.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 10:34:18 AM
Don't know if the Church going strict-laced Irene would approve...most likely Dona would be horrified...
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Kalafrana on November 18, 2010, 11:42:48 AM
Herr Kaiser

I think you are probably right. I can see Heinrich enjoying a great meal and lively entertainment and the novelty of notorious surroundings, but sleeping alone.

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
Yes...I don't think Heinrich was tempted. Both his sons had happy married lives too.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on November 18, 2010, 07:12:34 PM
Excerpt from Sin in the Second City (about the Everleigh sisters & their Club):

"Debate raged in the Second City, meanwhile, over an approrpriate itinerary for Prince Henry..[including] an elaborate banquet at the Auditorium Hotel. There he would dine with 165 'representative men' of Chicago...The visit, all told, would cost teh city $75,000. But the committee nixed a tour of the gory Unnion Stock Yards...and remained ambivalent on whether visiting royalty should enjoy 'the old feudal privilege' of kissing Chicago's debutantes...If Prince Henry did kiss the debutantes, he never told. The sight Prince Henry most desired to see, however, was neither discussed...nor detailed in the press. Such discretion benefited the Everleigh sisters...who were in the midst of frenzied planning. None of the Everleigh butterflies [girls who worked in the Club] had heard of Prince Henry of Prussia...so the sisters prepared lessons--not about the German royal family (who cared?) but about how to entertain them properly. Minna stood in front of her thirty courtesans, arms waving...and told them how it would be done. Prince Henry...was the sort of man who knew exactly what he wanted. So as Everleigh girls their job was go give him something he'd never even considered. They would enact a mythological celebration centered around Dionysus...She'd contacted an old friend from her threater days and ordered real fawnskin outfits for them to wear, with nothing--that's right, nothing--underneath. No petticoats, no stockings, no corsets. Not even shoes--at least not right away....The ritual was complex, commemorating the dismemberment of Zeus's infant son at the hands of the Titans. There would be a cloth bull and some raw meat involved."

"Around midnight on March 3, Prince Henry and his party rang the Club's bell. A tall man, the prince had...skin like a cracked egg. High, shiny black boots hugged his legs...The members of his entourage wore sweeping capes and frowns that stretched to their necks. Expressions improved markedly once Minna greeted her boys and escorted them to the Pullman Buffet for dinner. At 1:30 am, Minna came to round everyone up, telling the girls the show was about to start...and don't forget they weren't to wear shoes. The harlots yanked pins from their hair and shook it out, slicing strands with their fingers, the messier the better. They rushed down the spiral staircase and into the parlor, where they found Prince Henry and his entourage at at a long table. The girls whooped and swirled in circles, kicking, backs arching like drawn bows. The decisive clang of cymbals punctuated every move. One girl thrashed her way across the room, heading directly for Prince Henry, and just as she reached him, she leapt, turned a half circle in midair, and landed on his lap, latching on to his neck. The others followed suit, and soon every man at the table was grappling with an Everleigh butterfly."
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on November 18, 2010, 07:22:24 PM
"Minna dimmed the lights, the signal for the second act of the show. In rehearsals, she'd used real torches but found they'd 'smoked up the room', so she'd decided to improvise during the real event. A servant wheeled a bull made entirely of cloth into the room. The girls raced toward the structure, punching its head and biting its hide, spitting white flurries of cotton....This was exactly how the infant..had been killed. For sound effects, a male butler bellowed each time a mouth clamped down...Then Minna pointed a finger, and servants fetched platters piled up with uncooked sirloin. For ten minutes, the harlots tore into the raw strips, ripping the meat with feral bites, their faces stained with pink slashes...The Germans loved it."

"When the platters were empty, Minna threw on the lights. She would now take the visitors for a grand tour of the Club. The harlots trooped back upstairs, changed..into evening gowns, pinned up their hair, wiped the blood from their cheeks. A few girls brought dignitaries into the boudoirs, eager to display other talents besides playacting Greek mythology, and hurried downstairs to join the champagne toast when their guest were satisified."

"Minna instructed everyhhone to raise their glasses, toasting the Kaiser in absentia and the prince in the flesh (although the Kaiser, after learning of his brother's visit to the Club, cast a mild insult by asking the vintage of the wine served). She was delighted when the Prince returned the favor, comparing Chicago with Berlin, pointing out the American city's ever growing German population. He called...Minna and Ada Everleigh 'frauleins'. Ada, who never drank beer, showed her respect by gulping down a tall mug of pilsner. Minna then ordered the table cleared. She had one more surprise."

"Two butlers helped Vidette, the best dancer...up to the mahogany surface. The orchestra struck up "The Blue Danube", and the harlot kicked again and again, her feet flying higher each time, legs meeting and parting...In the middle of her routine, one high-heeled silvers lipper launched from her foot, sailed across the room, and collided with a glass of champagne. Some of the liquid spilled into the shoe, and a nearby man named Adolph scooped it up."
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on November 18, 2010, 07:33:23 PM
" 'Boot liquor', he called, raising the slipper high. 'The darling mustn't get her feet wet.' Without further comment, he tilted back his head,drained the champagne from the shoe, and tossed it back to its owner. 'On with the dance!' someone yelled. 'Nix', said another guest. 'Off with a slipper.' He lifted a harlot's leg, resting it against his waits and removed her shoe. 'Why should Adolph have all the fun?' he added....Prince Henry's entire entourage rose, yanked a slipper from the nearest girl, and held it aloft. Waiters scuttled about, hurriedly filling each shoe with champagne. 'To the Prince.' 'To the Kaiser.' 'To beautiful women the world over'. Prince Henry of Prussia departed Chicago by 2:00 pm the following afternoon, but his slipper sipping began a trend that long outlasted his visit.

Books cited in this work include Come Into My Parlor by Irving Washburn, a close friend of the sisters  (which was published in 1936 and given the thumbs up by Minna), Vidette gave her story to the Nevada State Journal Sept 7, 1948. These are the 2 primary sources used to tell of the Prince's visit.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 18, 2010, 08:01:22 PM
Love the comparative of Chicago to Berlin. I have always felt that way too.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 11:30:38 AM
Yes. Later Berlin became even more risque than Chicago after the war.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on January 07, 2011, 01:41:50 PM
Princess Irene appears in this clip at 0:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqTKCvQw_U
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 07, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Was that Wilhelm's voice or an announcer translating into English?
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
I think so.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 09, 2011, 09:19:06 AM
It seems it was a unhappy day for both of them...

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6531/foto0077e.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/foto0077e.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Sue Ellen on May 12, 2011, 10:06:34 AM
Henry and Irene at the time of their engagement:

http://www.hadis.hessen.de/hadis-eLink/HStAD/D%2027%20A/40_233.JPG

http://www.hadis.hessen.de/hadis-eLink/HStAD/D%2027%20A/40_210-211/40_211.jpg
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Kalafrana on May 12, 2011, 10:21:52 AM
'It seems it was a unhappy day for both of them...'

Irene is in black and there is a mourning band on Heinrich's arm.

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 01, 2011, 07:32:53 AM
an image of their wedding ceremony

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/3865/lein145.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/lein145.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2011, 10:20:56 AM
That is well known image. I don't know it was Ella or Alix standing beside Willy.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
It's definitely not Alix. She was an unmarried teenage who wouldn't have dressed near as glamorously as that--unless you are referring to the female standing closer to Dona than Wilhelm who is in a much more subdued dress with a bouquet. I believe it to be Ella--I posted a blow-up some time back when you and I were debating whether it was Charlotte of Prussia or Ella.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2011, 11:20:35 AM
I think it was Ella as Charlotte was quite short and irregular in looks (long arms and short like an imp see John Rohl's "Purple Secret").
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2011, 11:24:32 AM
Then I did manage to convince you!  ;)  You were very certain it was Charlotte on that long-ago argument.  :)  I wish I could remember where that discussion was--tried doing a search but nothing popped. It's probably buried way back in some old thread.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
Although from all eye witnesses and himself, Willy tried to ignore Ella after her marriage to Serge. The fact that he stood so close to her here, maybe that he couldn't get away from her.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
Still couldn't find the discussion but I did find the blow-up (from a thread on Ella's suitors)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/ellahesse/hessebattenberg/File1333willyella.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 17, 2011, 11:50:45 AM


here is a pic of Irene and her Father.

i heard that the womans has little bags in ther dresses,so there was place for the cigaretts. On this pic Irene have a bag. Mabe she did really smoked.

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/48_339.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
I think all the Hesse girls smoked.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Justine on November 17, 2011, 01:33:38 PM

On this pic Irene have a bag.


this isn't bag-it's pocket. great picture though ;)
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2011, 01:41:18 PM
I think her Aunt Alix had a dress like that.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 17, 2011, 03:08:01 PM

On this pic Irene have a bag.


this isn't bag-it's pocket. great picture though ;)

oki thanks ^^

Yeah i think too, just the reason why i was wonderd was that i never saw Ella & Irene smoked (or has a cigarett in their hands or something like that) on the pics.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: CountessKate on November 18, 2011, 03:25:02 AM
Quote
Yeah i think too, just the reason why i was wonderd was that i never saw Ella & Irene smoked (or has a cigarett in their hands or something like that) on the pics.

I don't think they would ever have been photographed smoking, if they did actually smoke, unless it was in a very informal and unposed family setting.  It wasn't the done thing for women of their generation to appear with cigarettes in public - as Queen Victoria would have said, would give them a very "fast" reputation. 
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Post by: Kalafrana on November 18, 2011, 03:34:46 PM
Victoria Milford Haven certainly smoked. According to the biography by Richard Hough, she was introduced to it by the Kaiser when still a teenager.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2011, 04:16:13 PM
Yes. Also Alicky and Ella also smoked too.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 19, 2011, 11:40:10 AM
And Irene... i think.. of course we cant really sure but if such a Angel like Ella smoked..(what i have never thought, its really surprise me) than mabe Irene too.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2011, 01:23:42 PM
Ella did smoked.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 19, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
So we can say  the whole Family did smoked.

Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2011, 03:01:50 PM
It would seems so.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 20, 2011, 03:48:24 PM
 I have read in the book "Prinz Heinrich von preussen "

Irene and Henry loved to make music, they has a musicroom whith a big piano and a violin. And they played together music, i think Irene piano and Henry on the violin. He playd once in a orchester with his violin. Mabe they did sing aswell. And they loved to ride on horses, i saw a pic of both on horses.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2011, 03:22:15 PM
Yes. Henry also loved cars too though.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 22, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
yeah i remeber, there was pictures about him and cars.

and he loved to fly.
so irene has much more worried about him, if he was on the sea and air.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2011, 05:20:53 PM
Too little about Henry & Irene as oppose to Victoria, Ella & Alicky.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Kalafrana on November 23, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
Heinrich was a person I would have got on with! He and I would have found plenty to talk about.

In contrast, five minutes with big brother the Kaiser would have been enough.

Ann
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Vecchiolarry on November 23, 2011, 09:37:57 AM
Hi,

Oh come on Ann, I'm sure you or I or both of us could have told the Kaiser how to run his Empire!!!!!
Or maybe, we would end up in Spandau together!!!!!!

Have a great dy....

Larry
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Post by: Russka Princess on November 23, 2011, 02:42:30 PM
 well im think like Ann.. i would have much more to talk with Heny, than his brother. Sure his brother is the Emporer, but  i think Henry was a person who very open to the other people. (i mean you can talk about him everything, funny things, serious thinks)
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2011, 06:23:56 PM
I think both Henry and Irene were more interesting in person.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Kalafrana on November 24, 2011, 01:20:00 AM
Talking to the Kaiser would have been plain hard work. In fact, it would be a case of being talked at, with all that laughing at his own jokes etc etc.
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 24, 2011, 09:52:57 AM
yeah i think like kalafrana,

i think henry and irene was people which you can talk with them about everyrhing.  You can make with them jokes and speak with them serious.
But Willy i dont know...i think i xant really talk with him, because i must be carefull with what i say.

i Think the whole Hesse family was  like " easy-to talk"  they didnt felt much more better than others.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
The exception must be Alicky, because she was anything BUT easy-to-talk-to. Only a close circle was allowed into the private world of Alicky. Even Greek Minny found her forbidding. I think Victoria must be the easiest to talk to followed by Irene. Ella could be forbidding too if she chose to freeze you out...
Title: Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants , Part 3
Post by: Russka Princess on November 26, 2011, 03:06:58 AM
eric, what do you mean with:

". I think Victoria must be the easiest to talk to followed by Irene. Ella could be forbidding too if she chose to freeze you out..."

?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2011, 02:03:49 PM
If you read Marie Paulovna the younger's book "An Education of a Princess". It described both Ella & Irene could be really mean in their own ways.
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Post by: Russka Princess on December 14, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
I wonder if Heinrich get on well with his daughters-in-law ?

and Irene with her Brothers-in law ?

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Post by: Russka Princess on December 14, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
 

And i forget, i know that Irene & Henry has a dog. You can see him on few pics. What was the name of the dog ??  he/she was often with family, you can see it on the family pics.
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Post by: Russka Princess on May 21, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
here i found a lovly pic of Irene and one of her sons...

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/mi05730b02a.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2012, 04:09:19 PM
Great find. Where did you find that ?
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Post by: Russka Princess on May 22, 2012, 10:01:04 AM
 I dont know i just wrote Irene of Hesse in google and looked at the pics and i find this!

its great picture not ??

And i found a great website about the other Royals like VHM,Queen Mary, Ernie of Hesse, Prince Henry of Prussia etc.

here is the Link:

http://shatteredcrowns.wordpress.com/meet-the-family-1-queen-victorias-children/

And there was a short optic of Irene, and there stand that her brother Ernie said: She rode with a light touch and loved to dance, as I did. We often danced together accompanied by our own singing. ” (Her brother, Ernst Ludwig)

So we know a little bit more about her, she loved to ride, loved to dance and singing. Im so glad to get a little more information about Irenes personality.

Its a very interesting side..

so have fun! :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 22, 2012, 11:00:15 PM
Yes. At least she wasn't as shy as her younger sister Alix, who shunned dancing and public appearances even in Darmstadt.
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Post by: Russka Princess on May 23, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
Yes you are right, i think alix was shy than her sisters. She even Not danced at  darmstadtb?? I dont understand why...i thouhht irene was the shydt of all but it seems she had the same intrtest like ernie like the music.    I did read that VHM was not so good to play piano
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 23, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
Alicky shunned the lime light and very sensitive to criticism (even from those who were close to her). Irene on the other hand was very much the church lady (she cried and cried when Ella converted to Orthodoxy and offer her no encouragement) and busy body who bud into other people's business.
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Post by: Kalafrana on May 24, 2012, 03:37:56 AM
Eric

It is clear that you don't like Irene and are entranced by Ella (and various other elegant ladies).

But Irene was in a sense the 'ordinary' one of the Hessian sisters, and I rather like her for that.


Russka Princess

If VMH wasn't much use as a pianist, it was probably a good thing that she didn't take up the violin!

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 24, 2012, 09:21:41 AM
Kalafrana,

Please do not judge what I like or not like. Irene's image was problematic because of her own actions. There are many examples of that if you care to read about it.

1. Irene did not support Ella when she converted and sided with her father. Only VMH sent encouragement and I loved her for being independent.
2. Irene blackmailed Marie Paulovna to continue with her engagement with William of Sweden  and threatened her if she did not she would be guilty of "killing her aunt" (Ella was recuperating after an operation at that time).
3. Irene got herself involved in the "Anna Anderson" case and made a mess out of it. That is what I say about her being a "busy body".
4. Irene cut her son and his family out of her will because they would not stay with her. Only her granddaughter Barbara returned from Costa Rica and got spoiled by her. She was the sole heiress to her grandmother's fortune. But what kind of a mother would use money as a way of trying to make her children do what she wanted. Not the most loving one I think...

I rest my case.
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Post by: Kalafrana on May 24, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Eric

1) It is quite clear that conversions to Orthodoxy divided opinion at that time. Alexandra hesitated over marrying Nicholas for that reason. In families not everyone agrees with everybody else. That Irene disagreed with Ella over her conversion does not make her a villain.

2) I rather think we are dealing with things said in the heat of the moment here.

3) As one of Alexandra's two surviving sisters, and aunt to the real Alexandra, and who was, moreover, living in Germany, it is hardly surprising that Irene concerned herself with the issue of whether Anna Anderson was an imposter. or not. Olga Alexandrovna, who was in the same relationship to Nicholas and is usually seen as a sensible person, did too. Most of us, if someone turned up claiming to be our long-lost niece or nephew and who was not an obvious imposter, would want to find out more, and, quite possibly, see them face to face. I have a cousin who disappeared some 15 years ago. If someone turned up claiming to be him, I am quite sure that his sister (both parents are dead) would want to meet him and judge for themselves. Anna Anderson fooled a lot of people. That Irene ended up thoroughly confused and upset is hardly surprising.

Ann
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Post by: Russka Princess on May 24, 2012, 11:00:13 AM
 I must say that Eric is right, but i think noone is perfect and everone have a good and bad side. But she must have something why Henry fall in love with her. I dont know what it is, that he fall in love wih her. But i think it was  her "quite & charming" side that why he loved her.

But at least i think VHM was the best of all Hesse Sisters! she did never judge soemone.. she made her own picture of the people and didnt listen what the people or the newspaper said.

althought she was a tomboy in her childhood, she became a wonderfull Woman!

but back to Irene, i think she has a good side aswell.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 24, 2012, 12:13:27 PM
Thanks Russka Princess.

The fact that Kalafrana did not tackle no.4 tell volumes. In "The Four Graces", Irene's grandson Prince Alfred remembers Irene as "a stern lady". She was no doting grandmother but a very judgmental character that is not above using mischief to secure her own selfish aims. When you contrast that with her sister VMH, you see a less complicated character.

1. It does not make her a villain but one hardly the amiable person of popular legend. In fact she was quite hard.

2. I don;t think that was the heat of the moment, according to Marie Paulovna, Irene chose not to tell Ella the incident even after her recovery. This appears to be a deliberate act and not something "In the heat of the moment". I think you are excusing her too much here.

3. I think it was cursorily rather than concern that made Irene go to see Anna. In fact nobody wanted her to do so and it landed her in hot water. Olga was different, both her Aunt Thyra of Cumberland & Uncle Waldemar of Denmark believes that that should be checked out.

Yes Irene has a good side too, but I really don't like the "busy-bodyness" of her nature. That is why I prefer VMH & Ella over her.
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Post by: Kalafrana on May 24, 2012, 02:55:18 PM
I'm not suggesting Irene was an angel, but such are my contrary tendencies that I feel compelled to defend most people who get a bad press (there are exceptions), and take a dislike to anyone who is praised to the skies.

Irene and Heinrich seem to have had a happy marriage, and Irene's falling-out with Sigismund may have been six of one and half a dozen of the other. After all, we don't know much about Sigismund, and he seems to have been prepared to accept Anna Anderson as genuine on the basis of her answers to his questionnaire, though he never met her.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 24, 2012, 03:26:21 PM
I don't think Irene got too much bad press. In fact she was mostly described as amiable. Both she & Heinrich were called the "Amiables". She was to me more of a church lady who believes strongly on what is right and what is not. Irene was not as much a bigot as Dona was, but I am sure they found quite a few areas in agreement.

Yes. Irene & Heinrich had a good marriage and very much admired in the royal circles. I could understand Irene cutting Sigismund out of her will due to the disagreements between them. But Alfred ? What could he have done to merit this ? I don't think there is an excuse for that. Also Irene was also guilty of spoiling her only granddaughter Barbara. When Barbara's  other Charlotte Agnes of Saxe-Altenburg returned to Europe, she found her daughter unmanageable.
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Post by: Kalafrana on May 25, 2012, 02:16:00 AM
Eric

Irene is getting a bad press from you!

No, I don't know what Alfred did to upset his grandmother, and I don't believe in spoiling either, but I need to know more about what was going on.

Irene and Heinrich need a biography!

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 25, 2012, 10:40:43 AM
Ann,

I am just redressing her "undeserved good press" ! :-)

No according to Alfred, the reason he did not return to live with his grandmother resulted him excluded from the will. Either you obey my terms or you are out. Not a loving grandmother eh ?

As for the spoiling of Barbara , I got this from a good source. Yet one may ask, isn't it a role for grandmothers to spoil their grandchildren ?

Yes, but Ilana Miller, author of "The Four Graces" told me. There isn't enough information to fill a biography. Irene herself destroyed many letters and diaries.

Eric
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Post by: Russka Princess on May 25, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
 its so interesting to read what you both write :)

how you both discuess about Irene ;) she would be happy if she know that someone speak about her.

And Ann is right, Irene and Henry need a biography...i want to know how their lovestory stars.. how they lived in Helemark and about their sons and thair characters..
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 26, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
You can find a bit more about her in Ilana Miller's "The Four Graces" A very well written book on VMH and some new info on Irene too.
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Post by: Olga Maria on June 13, 2012, 02:38:01 AM
(all from the Royal Collection)

Irene, 1895
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/931/irenepcsshenryofprussia.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/irenepcsshenryofprussia.jpg/) (http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/931/irenepcsshenryofprussia.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/irenepcsshenryofprussia.jpg/)

Irene with her father and baby Waldemar
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/849/2904736191455lpr00002.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/2904736191455lpr00002.jpg/)

Irene and Henry
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2204/2904475258468ori10.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/2904475258468ori10.jpg/)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2012, 07:41:12 AM
I wonder when did Irene & Heinrich moved into Hemmelmark in Kiel ? I read they first lived in Berlin after their wedding.
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Post by: Russka Princess on June 14, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
somewhere i read that they went to the holiday to italy and then they heard that they can buy a house at helmemartk, so they broke up their holidays and went back to germany. I think it was after the birth of the first son.

Or did they not spend their honeymoons in italy ?? if they ever had honeymoon
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Post by: Kalafrana on June 14, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
It's quite possible that they didn't have a honeymoon, or at any rate that they stayed very close to home, as they married only three weeks before the death of Heinrich's father, and when he was in the last stages of cancer.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
One thing I did read from biographies of Vicky was that after Heinrich's marriage, she got on better with him. She credited this to the influence of Irene. So much so that when the couple moved to Kiel, Vicky expressed sorrow of not having them close by. From that I reasoned the couple did stay in Berlin for awhile.
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Post by: HerrKaiser on June 25, 2012, 01:12:41 AM
Did Irene attend the funeral of her sister Victoria in London in 1950? Or was she banned?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2012, 01:29:53 AM
In the book "The Four Graces" Irene was unable to attend both the birth of Charles (May sent her a photo instead)  and also "unable" to attend VMH's funeral. She wrote a lovely letter that was produce in full in the book. I think she was banned from travelling to England.
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Post by: darius on June 25, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
I doubt very much that at this late stage she was banned.  I think it more likely that she couldn´t travel due to ill health.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2012, 01:39:00 PM
I think she was banned in 1945 & 1947. Almost most of Philip's German sisters were banned from the wedding.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 25, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
I don't think Irene was the same case--Philip's sisters (who would've been prominent, unlike Irene, if they'd been there) had all been married to Germans during the very recent war. Irene's life was very quiet during the war. I would think the case was age and/or ill-health. Irene doesn't seem to have cared about visiting England much after WW1, even though many German royals eventually visited and were received by the royal family.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
I think to the book "Four Graces" by Ilana Miller, She was banned in 1945. On page 215. Irene was denied a permit to visit VMH in Sweden. May (Queen Mary) tried to help but failed. I think by the time of VMH's death, it might be ill health that prevented her from coming to England, although it did not specify iin the sources.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 26, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
Was she banned in England or just Sweden? (I don't have Ilana's book in front of me right now seeing as how I'm slacking at work, apologies.)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
I think she was trapped in Kiel by the occupying forces in 1945.
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 18, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
an image of their wedding ceremony

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/3865/lein145.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/lein145.jpg/)

 

This photo finally came up again on ebay--an original postcard version. There seems to be a lot of Henry/Irene memorabilia lately--a lot of postcards written to one or the other of them.
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Post by: Svetabel on July 19, 2012, 02:43:04 AM
Quote

This photo finally came up again on ebay--an original postcard version. There seems to be a lot of Henry/Irene memorabilia lately--a lot of postcards written to one or the other of them.

Also there was a postcard (actually a cabinet photo) with a description Prss Irene of Prussia, who in fact is Prince Alfred-jr of Edinburgh and his friends-officers : )
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 19, 2012, 09:29:30 AM
I saw that one but couldn't place who it could be! And that seller is usually really good at IDs and all--I've gotten great stuff from them over the years.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 20, 2012, 12:20:13 AM
Yes. Me too.
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Post by: Russka Princess on September 03, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
i know these pics are not rare,

but i love these photos!

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/dddd-1.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/Prinz_Heinrich_Prinzessin_Heinrich_.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/sss-1.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/738_2.jpg) my favorite!

its wonder me how much they were in love. And it was a spontan pose. She looked surprised.

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/40_233.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Prince%20Heinrich%20and%20Princess%20Irene%20of%20%20Prussia/721UF.jpg)

and what he wrote on the card! "to my own beloved Nin"  :) :) :) :)
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 03, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
Heinrich's resemmblance to his brother Wilhelm is noticeable.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 03, 2012, 01:25:34 PM
He was nicer than Wilhelm to Vicky.
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 04, 2012, 05:10:03 AM
This is true, but Victoria's behaviour towards Wilhelm was pretty grim. Wilhelm did have his good points (maybe not many, but he was far from being a complete monster), but Victoria concentrated on the bad (much as her mother did with her brother), and in addition Wilhelm had all that unpleasant and ineffective treatment for his withered arm. In the circumstances it is hardly surprising that Wilhelm, who, unlike Edward, succeeded while his mother was still alive and so was in a position of power over her, did not get on with her.

It sounds as though Victoria jr could be very hard to live with - Alice of Athlone hints at this. Heinrich was of a much more 'easy' disposition than Wilhelm; he was fully able bodied and he was not the heir - his relations with his mother were always going to be easier.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 04, 2012, 08:56:33 AM
The problem with Heinrich was that in Vicky's eyes, he was "stupid". The brilliant creature that was Vicky had no patience with people she deemed not on her level. She expected too much from her children. Irene of Hesse was able to become a bridge between mother and son that Dona was unable & unwilling to do so. I fault Dona much more than Wilhelm in the unkind treatment of Vicky.
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Post by: Russka Princess on September 04, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
so irene was the "angel" who brought vicky and her son henry together. And i did read that vicky liked very much Irene. So she was glad about the match about henry & irene. assecpt QV of course. She planed that irene should someone else. i cant remember who anymore.  He asked irene, but she didnt wanted. I think in this time her heart belongs to henry.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 04, 2012, 11:43:25 AM
Actually Vicky wasn't happy that Irene (or anyone from that family) is marrying into her family due to the risk of hemophilia. She also did not approve of Ella marrying Willy and glad that Dona did. The result is that Willy got a bunch of strong boys and Heinrich got 2 sickly ones and one normal. Yet, Vicky was glad that Irene played a good influence on her son. 
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Post by: Gabriella on December 21, 2012, 02:58:40 PM
According to Marlene's blog "Royal Musings" Irene made a trip to China in 1898.

Does, by chance, anybody know more about it as is written in the article published by Marlene? I know from a former entry on Marlene's blog that she
made her way home via the United States and Great Britain, but I would like to know more about it.

As Irene destroyed most of her private papers does anybody know if there are letters existing she wrote to her siblings or other relatives about her trip, possibly in the Hessische Staatsarchiv in Darmstadt?

Or does Ilana Miller wrote about that trip in "The four Graces"?
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 21, 2012, 06:36:34 PM
There was quite a bit about it in the news of the day. Wasn't Irene the first Western royal woman to visit China? I can't remember how much Ilana wrote about her visit.
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 21, 2012, 06:59:50 PM
Hi,

I have read Ilana's "The Four Graces" a couple of years ago and she does mention that Irene accompanied Henry to China.
She writes that Irene needed the Kaiser's permission to travel and that she was quite adament about going with Henry...

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Sounds reasonable. Heinrich's Aunt Louise, Duchess of Connaught also visited Hong Kong during her honeymoon.
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Post by: Thomas_Hesse on February 17, 2013, 01:26:32 PM
I recently found a report my great-grandmother has written about her youth - some sort of memoirs.

She writes that her father, a Doctor in the bath Bad Kreuznach, Germany, treated several Royals including Princess Irene of Prussia and her children. The little princes were accompanied by a very tall footman and they were delighted when my great-great-grandfather allowed them - on a visit to his garden - to eat the fruit from the trees. It seemed as if they were never allowed to do so at Hemmelmark and that they had never eaten cherries before.
She was also aware of little Sigismund's disease and that they had to treat him very carefully (fortunately he never had any bleedings while staying in Kreuznach).
The Princess Irene was described as a most kind person - she obviously regularly invited my gr-gr-great parents for dinner but as she was immensely shy her lady-in-waiting told them that they had to talk to the princess first and were not supposed to wait until she addressed them herself...  which normally would have been strictly against the protocol.

My great-grandmother was very shocked when - decades later - Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig told her that his nephew Sigismund of Prussia now lived the life of an ordinary farmer far away from Germany :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Indeed. Growing coffee in Costa Rica.
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 24, 2013, 01:21:47 PM
May 24, 2013 marks the 125 anniversary of Henry & Irene's marriage
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 24, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Wonder how they spent their anniversaries together ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 24, 2013, 08:14:58 PM
I think Henry was probably gone for more of them (at least prior to WW1) than he was home--not uncommon in a military marriage. (Trust me--I know!) Their 25th anniversary was overshadowed by the wedding of Victoria Louise & Ernst August which took place the same day.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 26, 2013, 10:00:07 AM
Think they get to enjoy that more after WWI.
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Post by: Marie Valerie on December 04, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QSV8hW-NBww/So2d7UmTrPI/AAAAAAAADso/jpNyHuuVDoQ/s1600/Anton+von+Werner+-+Verlobung+des+Prinzen+Heinrich+am+90.+Geburtstag+Kaiser+Wilhelm+I+-+Farbskizze+%281889%29+-+%C3%96l+auf+Leinwand+%28203+x+261+cm%29.JPG)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QSV8hW-NBww/So2dqq0kE9I/AAAAAAAADsg/pC3hSDF3Gr0/s1600/Anton+von+Werner+-+Verlobung+des+Prinzen+Heinrich+am+90.+Geburtstag+Kaiser+Wilhelm+I+-+Farbskizze+%281887%29+-+Aquarell+%C3%BCber+Bleitstift+%2863,0+x+92,5+cm%29.JPG)

Both paintings are from Anton von Werner - and titled "Verlobung des Prinzen Heinrich am 90. Geburtstag Kaiser Wilhelm I." (The engagement of Prince Heinrich on the 90. birthday of Kaiser Wilhelm I.)
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Post by: Kalafrana on December 05, 2013, 02:42:14 AM
The painters can't have known what Heinrich was wearing, as one has him in full dress, the other in mes kit! Looking very smart in both.

Ann
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Post by: Maria Sisi on July 30, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
Henry and Irene with their children and grandchildren. Hemmelmark garden 1927
(http://www.royalbooks.se/static/webimages//alb27henry_irene__family.jpg)
[from"THE ROYAL HOUSE OF PRUSSIA"]
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Post by: Russka Princess on November 14, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
Hello..ist me.. ;)  finally im here agian.

Well the time run so fast and now i have finding a something new and shoked Information about Henry of Prussia.

Well i just had read in Wikipedia about Henry (in german), there  stand "Outside of his marriage, Prince Henry of Prussia had two Sons with the  Hungarian singer Julie Salinger"

Well if i read the Wiki about him in english, so there stand nothing about his affair.

Well i dont know if i can belive it.. i dont want belive it. I dont think that Henry cheated Irene..He loved her.

Maby he has a affair before he fall in love with Irene sure....but not in his Marriege...

or what do you think guys ??

Sry if my english is not so perfect....

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Post by: Russka Princess on November 14, 2017, 05:08:48 PM
And... I wanted to know more of this julie...she was a singer and had contact to henry. She also sang in the hohenzollern castle...around 1894- 1933 she sang. ...soo henry and Irene were married at the time...

Later she worked in the hospital while the 2ww.


So why it comes just now out ?? Why so late ?? If it's true so did Irene knew about this julie??

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Post by: Russka Princess on November 18, 2017, 06:29:16 AM

So, i dont know why now i found this Information...

Here i have some new and interesting Facts about Irene from the german book" Prinz Heinrich von Preußen" from Ernst Diedtrich Baron v. Mirbach

i translate from german to englisch

: Princess Irene and Henry fell in Love at the Wedding from Victoria & Louis Battenberg. (so  4 years later they married)

1.
But her great social commitment left her little time for painting, riding and playing the piano, her favorite pastimes.

The sailor's house in Kiel was actually her work, although she also gave praise, thanks and recognition to her husband.

(what i think ist sad...she did so much, i think if Henry ever thanked Irene for her Support.


2.
While Prince Henry was in East Asia, Kaiser Wilhelm II authorized the trip abroad for the Princess Irene. On December 17, 1898, the Princess arrived in Hong Kong with a small retinue, where for two months she lived in a mansion made available to her and her husband. Also in Tsingtau she preferred the stay on land opposite the ship. "But whether on board or in the country, everywhere she found herself in the best of moods in the often primitive conditions and won the hearts of all who came in contact with her." Prince and Princess made excursions like riding, Heinrich showed her the beautiful landscape.

On top of that, this trip to the Far East had another benefit for the princess (except to see her husband), she learned to ride a bicycle in Tsingtau, a sport that in Germany was extremely improper for a princess.

On April 29, 1899, she started the journey home.


(What was really interesting, that after the stay the princess became pregnant .. on 9 January 1900 she gave birth to the youngest son Heinrich.)


3.
Similar to the poplar Prince Heinrich, they also have various anecdotes about his wife, most of them in Kiel.
The architect Hulbe describes in his memoirs that his mother, before Christmas 1919, was desperate for her father-in-law's art shop because she could not buy a Christmas tree anywhere. Coincidentally, the princess, who was present in the adjoining room of the shop, heard of the difficulties and promptly sent a stately tree from Hemmelberk.


4. After the assassination of the Tsar's family, the pair of princes heard that Anna Anderson was showing up, but of course they did not give up hoping that it could be Anastasia. Undoubtedly, the princess and her lady-in-waiting made their way to the car before they drove off. The prince (who for health reasons could not join) came back to the car and said, "Ninchen, if she is, bring her right away."(so she should bring Anastasia back to Hemmelmark)






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Post by: Russka Princess on April 17, 2018, 02:43:55 PM
Here I have some pics of h &I

https://pinterest.com/pin/367395282095438735/?source_app=android

https://pinterest.com/pin/367395282095349806/?source_app=android

https://pinterest.com/pin/367395282095349801/?source_app=android

https://pinterest.com/pin/367395282095171965/?source_app=android

You can see on the first and third pic the love