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Title: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Alan on February 04, 2011, 01:53:09 PM
I have heard a recording of the voice of Nicholas II. Does anyone know if any recordings of Alexandra and the rest of the family have been released?
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 04, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
  Hello, Alan!  I am doing this STRICTLY by memory, but I think there are PRESENTLY known TWO recordings allegedly of the Emperor Nicholas' voice:  (1.) during a military review/maneuvers in Russia, wherein after an introduction and woven in with a musical "interlude," the Emperor speaks twice in Russian, and (2) a short address in French to M. Emile Loubet, President of France, after which the President replies in French. I seem to recall this second example is posted on YOU-Tube, and I believe it is referenced somewhere within the context of the APTMF as well (someone was remarking that the Empeor uses the "rolled r" when referring to "Russia" in the French address).
  ALLEGEDLY, there were recordings made of the family for the Dowager Empress, but they are missing and presumed destroyed (?).  Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 04, 2011, 03:32:02 PM
I've heard that yes, Marie did make some recordings of OTMAAs' voices, but they were lost during the revolution. Hopefully they'll surface someday.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Forum Admin on February 04, 2011, 04:28:39 PM
Bob has seen documentation that the entire family recorded their voices for Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna, who kept them at the Anichkov Palace.  They have been lost, presumably destroyed in the Revolution or Soviet period.  There are no known voice recordings for anyone else in the Imperial Family, save the two possible ones already mentioned for Nicholas II.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 27, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Bob has seen documentation that the entire family recorded their voices for Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna, who kept them at the Anichkov Palace.  They have been lost, presumably destroyed in the Revolution or Soviet period.  There are no known voice recordings for anyone else in the Imperial Family, save the two possible ones already mentioned for Nicholas II.
FA-
I was considering starting a thread about this until I found this one. I know you don't know anymore than I do regarding the recordings, but was curious to know your idea about what may have happened. First off, where did Bob see said documentation? Was it a reliable source? Secondly, when you say the recordings are "presumably detsroyed", does this imply that the Bolsheviks probably found them and physically destroyed them, or rather that the Empess Dowager took them with her into exile and maybe they were thrown out by her descendants, or something else? I know the Bolsheviks destroyed much of the Imperial Family's belongings, but if the E.D. took the recordings with her, is it at all possible that Marie's attendants, descendants, or friends kept them and preserved them. What are the chances that the Bolsheviks may have found them and somehow they were preserved in the Russian archives. I recall hearing that less than one-eight or so of the Russian/Soviet archives have actually been released. What are the chances of being able to find out more through them?

I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.

Thank you very much,
Ryan
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: blessOTMA on July 28, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.
 
I'd say in a very real way, you already have =)
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 28, 2011, 02:08:08 AM
I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.
 
I'd say in a very real way, you already have =)
??????
I'm not following.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Forum Admin on July 28, 2011, 12:44:12 PM
Bob has seen documentation that the entire family recorded their voices for Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna, who kept them at the Anichkov Palace.  They have been lost, presumably destroyed in the Revolution or Soviet period.  There are no known voice recordings for anyone else in the Imperial Family, save the two possible ones already mentioned for Nicholas II.
FA-
I was considering starting a thread about this until I found this one. I know you don't know anymore than I do regarding the recordings, but was curious to know your idea about what may have happened. First off, where did Bob see said documentation? Was it a reliable source? Secondly, when you say the recordings are "presumably detsroyed", does this imply that the Bolsheviks probably found them and physically destroyed them, or rather that the Empess Dowager took them with her into exile and maybe they were thrown out by her descendants, or something else? I know the Bolsheviks destroyed much of the Imperial Family's belongings, but if the E.D. took the recordings with her, is it at all possible that Marie's attendants, descendants, or friends kept them and preserved them. What are the chances that the Bolsheviks may have found them and somehow they were preserved in the Russian archives. I recall hearing that less than one-eight or so of the Russian/Soviet archives have actually been released. What are the chances of being able to find out more through them?

I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.

Thank you very much,
Ryan

There were records Bob saw in Russia indicating that the Imperial Family all recorded records of their voices as a gift to Marie Feodorovna.  They were most likely not taken with her to the Crimea, and the living Romanovs do not have them. They have been asked.  Most probably the Bolsheviks would have destroyed them when they found them. The Soviets would not have wanted such relics lurking around as it could have stirred up support against them.  They "might" be lost in GARF, but nobody knows for certain.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: blessOTMA on July 28, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.
 
I'd say in a very real way, you already have =)
??????
I'm not following.

I meant it as a metaphor. Alexei's story has moved you , rather profoundly from what you say, and so  you have "heard" his voice in that sense.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 28, 2011, 08:54:05 PM
I look forward to one day hearing Alexei's voice.
 
I'd say in a very real way, you already have =)
??????
I'm not following.

I meant it as a metaphor. Alexei's story has moved you , rather profoundly from what you say, and so  you have "heard" his voice in that sense.
Yes, it has. Thank you.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: LauraO on July 29, 2011, 05:09:04 AM
i'm sure that nicholas's french address is on youtube somewhere, which i find bizarre in itself, but i'm sure i remember listening to it.....
i'd love to know what alexandra sounded like because i'm sure that was one mixed up accent. by all accounts, according to lili dehn it was pretty english with a german edge thing going on, and i'm sure the years in russia had an impact...bet it sounded pretty muddled :)
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 29, 2011, 07:08:08 AM
i'm sure that nicholas's french address is on youtube somewhere, which i find bizarre in itself, but i'm sure i remember listening to it.....
i'd love to know what alexandra sounded like because i'm sure that was one mixed up accent. by all accounts, according to lili dehn it was pretty english with a german edge thing going on, and i'm sure the years in russia had an impact...bet it sounded pretty muddled :)

here the link
for the paris, 1902 speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OR2KnRPgKQ
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 29, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
i'm sure that nicholas's french address is on youtube somewhere, which i find bizarre in itself, but i'm sure i remember listening to it.....
i'd love to know what alexandra sounded like because i'm sure that was one mixed up accent. by all accounts, according to lili dehn it was pretty english with a german edge thing going on, and i'm sure the years in russia had an impact...bet it sounded pretty muddled :)

here the link
for the paris, 1902 speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OR2KnRPgKQ
I am skeptical. We know that at least a part of the military ceremony features Nicholas's voice. This doesn't sound anything like his voice.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Talya on July 29, 2011, 08:31:17 AM
Based on what evidence? We just don't know exactly what his voice sounded like, so we can't be sure that's how his voice sounded!
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 29, 2011, 09:56:04 AM
Based on what evidence? We just don't know exactly what his voice sounded like, so we can't be sure that's how his voice sounded!
If one listens to what the voice is saying (in Russian, of course) and put that into context, it makes sense that it is Nicholas. For example, he said something like "thank you, compatriots, for the wonderful ceremony"!
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Talya on July 29, 2011, 11:11:42 PM
This is confusing. First you say that can't be his voice, now you say it is/could be?
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on July 30, 2011, 06:08:06 PM
This is confusing. First you say that can't be his voice, now you say it is/could be?
No. The military ceremony which he thanks the soldiers for having,likely is Nicholas. The 1902 French recording probably is not.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Talya on July 31, 2011, 12:11:54 AM
Either it is or it isn't. I'm tired, I'm going to go browse the survivors board.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Sarushka on July 31, 2011, 08:26:27 AM
This is confusing. First you say that can't be his voice, now you say it is/could be?
No. The military ceremony which he thanks the soldiers for having,likely is Nicholas. The 1902 French recording probably is not.

Again, based on what evidence?
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: TsarAlexeiII on August 04, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
This is confusing. First you say that can't be his voice, now you say it is/could be?
No. The military ceremony which he thanks the soldiers for having,likely is Nicholas. The 1902 French recording probably is not.

Again, based on what evidence?

I was just stating my opinion.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Sarushka on August 06, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
I was just stating my opinion.

Nothing wrong with that. Just remember to make it clear that it's your opinion and folks won't be quite so quick to jump down your throat. ;^)
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Selencia on October 02, 2011, 09:52:41 PM
Diane, posted a link to a youtube video of Nicholas' voice. It sounds much different than I have been led to believe; probably due to the movie Nicholas and Alexandra. His voice seems to have a lot of authority, at least imo.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 02, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
Diane, posted a link to a youtube video of Nicholas' voice. It sounds much different than I have been led to believe; probably due to the movie Nicholas and Alexandra. His voice seems to have a lot of authority, at least imo.

That's true. I also espected to hear a different kind of voice, but not for the movie, but for the fact Nicholas was a tiny short man and I wouldn't imagine his voice would be so deep.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Selencia on October 03, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
True, you always hear him described as tiny, short, so unlike his father, and how he lacked authority...from all that you expect to hear David Beckham or Taylor Lautner's voice.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Kalafrana on October 03, 2011, 01:24:52 AM
I too was quite surprised he had such a deep voice. My father, who is about the same size, sings baritone, so I expected something similar.

Incidentally, if I was ever going to fancy David Beckham, the possibility evaporated the instant I first heard his silly little voice!

Ann
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: DIANE on October 09, 2011, 04:09:30 AM
Diane, posted a link to a youtube video of Nicholas' voice. It sounds much different than I have been led to believe; probably due to the movie Nicholas and Alexandra. His voice seems to have a lot of authority, at least imo.

i'm glad my post was usefull ^_____________^
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: nena on October 15, 2011, 04:03:17 PM
Russian site states that kid's voice ---- Aleksei's one can be heard between 39th and 41nd second of that recording, as well as Eduard Vladimirovich's and Nicholas'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZ3IuHoLJk&feature=related

EDIT: This is speculation, I don't know what to think actually. Others?
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on October 15, 2011, 04:45:13 PM
Russian site states that kid's voice ---- Aleksei's one can be heard between 39th and 41nd second of that recording, as well as Eduard Vladimirovich's and Nicholas'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZ3IuHoLJk&feature=related

EDIT: This is speculation, I don't know what to think actually. Others?
Hello, "nena"!  I have, of course, heard this recording many times.  I have always noted that the timbre or tonal quality of one of the nearby individuals joining in the "Hurrahs" (at that time frame) does sound distinctively "different."  The Heir?  Who knows?  I agree that it is interesting speculation, but speculation all the same.  With best regards,  AP.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Dust_of_History on October 15, 2011, 05:49:02 PM
I highly doubt that Alexei can be heard on that recording. For me, it does not even sound like a child's voice. I think one of the persons got out of breath and lost his voice. That is why it sounds different. This is still speculation but in my opinion Alexei is not on that record. I really hope that record is at least genuine.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: dvoynik_nikolay on December 14, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
Russian site states that kid's voice ---- Aleksei's one can be heard between 39th and 41nd second of that recording, as well as Eduard Vladimirovich's and Nicholas'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZ3IuHoLJk&feature=related

EDIT: This is speculation, I don't know what to think actually. Others?
This is not speculation. The probability that the voice of the Tsarevich Alexei sounds in the video is very big.
Firstly it is certainly the voice of children. I have never heard "out of breath and voice" ( as Dust_of_History writes )  on the military men's  parade, even more to leave it on record.
I see no reason why the "bad" voice have left on the recording close to  the Emperor' voice, unless it is the voice of the Crown Prince.
Secondly, other children in the video and photos on the Russian parade does not occur.
And thirdly, Emperor Nicholas II often took Alexis with him to military parades . Beginning in 1915, when the Emperor took over the Supreme Commander during the war, almost always with him was the Crown Prince.
As, for example, in this clip:
http://youtu.be/wMs2h-NBTvw (http://youtu.be/wMs2h-NBTvw)

Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Dust_of_History on December 15, 2011, 11:56:14 AM
This is definitely speculation. How can you be so sure that this is the voice of the Heir??? Just because you say it's the Heir's voice, does not mean that this is indeed the case. There simply is no proof for this. The fact that the Emperor took Alexei with him to military parades does not necessarily mean that Alexei can be heard in this video. I can't hear any children's voices on this old scratchy recording at all.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: dvoynik_nikolay on December 16, 2011, 10:50:42 AM
This is confusing. First you say that can't be his voice, now you say it is/could be?
No. The military ceremony which he thanks the soldiers for having,likely is Nicholas. The 1902 French recording probably is not.

Hi.
This toast Emperor Nicholas II proclaimed did not during his visit to France in 1901, but at a luncheon May 8, 1902  during visit to Russia of President E. Lube.
The text of the toast of Nicholas II in French without translation into Russian was published in the (Government Gazette) 1902 102.

I was just stating my opinion.
Nothing wrong with that. Just remember to make it clear that it's your opinion and folks won't be quite so quick to jump down your throat. ;^)


Oh, yes!
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: dvoynik_nikolay on December 21, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
Hi!
In addition to the previous post quote a page from the Complete collection of speeches, Nicholas II - speech number 62.

(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j473/dvoynik_nikolay/th_speech_1.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/albums/j473/dvoynik_nikolay/?action=view&current=speech_1.jpg)(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j473/dvoynik_nikolay/th_speech_2.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/albums/j473/dvoynik_nikolay/?action=view&current=speech_2.jpg)
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Inok Nikolai on April 09, 2012, 05:15:31 PM
I don't doubt that recordings of the Imperial family speaking might still be extant. Nor do I see any reason to doubt the authenticity of the short sound clips of Tsar Nicholas II contained in some of the known films from those times.

Hopefully longer recording may still be discovered in archives within Russia.

As for recordings of Tsar Nicholas II found outside Russia, during the 1980s and 1990s we made inquiries of some of the major phono-archives abroad.

(I just happened to come across these again in our files recently.)

Here are their replies. (Obviously, something may have turned up during the intervening years, but we have not heard of any such discoveries.)

1) The British Library:

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_VoiceOfN_II_BritishLibrary.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/?action=view&current=VoiceOfN_II_BritishLibrary.jpg)

The mention of Gaisberg, a pioneer in voice recording, is in reference to his book:

Music on Record
By Fred Gaisberg
Robert Hale Ltd.
London 1946

(Originally published in the USA in 1943 as The Music Goes Round.)

On page 33 Gaisberg recounts their attempts to make a recording of Tsar Nicholas II in the winter of 1900.

In order to make an initial recording and presentation, Gaisberg and his crew came to the Michael Palace in St. Petersburg (now the Russian Museum).

Present for the demonstration were General Bobrikov, the Governor of Finland, and the Taneiev family, who resided in the palace at that time: Alexander, his wife, his daughters (including Anna), his son, and others.

Each person was ready with an impromtu message for the recording trumpet.

Gaisberg was pleasantly surprised to learn how well they all spoke English.

Alexander Taneiev even played one of his own pieces on the piano for the recording.

Everyone was delighted to hear the recordings played back to them twenty minutes later.

But that particular project went no further, and they never did record the Emperor.

Writing in 1943, Gaisberg concludes his account: We never achieved the recordings of the Tsars voice, nor, to my knowledge, did any other company.


2) The Bibliotheque National (1990):

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_VoiceOfN_II_Search-BibliothequeNat.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/?action=view&current=VoiceOfN_II_Search-BibliothequeNat.jpg)


3) The Library of Congress:

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_VoiceOfN_II_Search-LOC.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/?action=view&current=VoiceOfN_II_Search-LOC.jpg)


4) The Biliotheque National (1998):

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_VoiceOfN_II_Search-BNParis2.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/?action=view&current=VoiceOfN_II_Search-BNParis2.jpg)

Note that they state that such recordings were read later by actors from a transcript of the speeches.

However, I have never read it reported anywhere that Tsar Nicholas II stuttered. On the contrary, all memoirists mention his excellent voice when reading aloud or delivering speeches.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: EmmyLee on April 09, 2012, 08:23:03 PM
Are they confusing him with George VI and his stammer?

That's interesting about the actors being used, although if it's true, that's very disappointing!
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Inok Nikolai on April 09, 2012, 09:36:53 PM
Are they confusing him with George VI and his stammer?

That's interesting about the actors being used, although if it's true, that's very disappointing!

Well, as for the actors, it makes sense concerning events held outdoors. In those days it would have been difficult to capture an entire speech.

But hopefully someone did record something indoors, similar to Gaisberg's project.

By sharing these letters from the various archives, we wanted to alert others to the possibilities (or lack thereof!), and spare them from repeating the efforts.

But, then again, one never knows what might have turned up in the meantime...
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Alan on August 10, 2012, 03:25:53 AM
There is also the recording on You-Tube of Nicholas on the balcony of the Winter Palace, declaring that Russia was at war with Germany in 1914.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: davidov on February 17, 2017, 04:43:55 PM
It can be tricky to gain an impression of just how their accents would have sounded. There are clear descriptions, however some of these conflict each other. Some understanding can be drawn from later recordings of relatives, raised under similarly bi-lingual circumstances, in Eastern European courts. There would have been differences between family members due to the which generation they belonged or respective influences (British nurses, or French tutors, etc). 

This clip, featuring King George & Queen Mary, gives a good reference point for Empress Alexandra, particularly as Mary (starting 2:22) was a princess with strong German and English influences when being raised, and of a similar generation. The recording is from 1923, so she had by that time spent many years in the U. I imagine AF accent was more affected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtVNzxYQJs

Another reference point for AF could be Princess Alice, also a granddaughter of Queen Victoria, who spent some years in Germany, a princess of Saxe-Coburg. She speaks with a perfect English accent, and one that is even a little less stretched and formal than the rest of her family of that era, although she is an aged woman by the time this recording, and had spent her life in England and the Empire, unlike AF, who had spent some years in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS4hAbHLszw


This clip, featuring Prince George and Princess Marina, demonstrates his English accent, and Princess Marina's slightly weak English, which seems to make P. George smirk. I imagine that many members of the Romanov family, spoke in a similar manner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtVNzxYQJs

This 1941 clip of Marie of Yugoslavia, for example, demonstrates how she blended a traditionally rounded Victorian accent, with a 'Slavic accent'. I imagine that the GD's would have sounded similar, speaking with a clear English accent at points (when she said 'goodbye boy's' for example).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz4TjPvC8co

Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Превед on February 17, 2017, 06:41:45 PM
Interesting examples, davidov.

This clip, featuring King George & Queen Mary, gives a good reference point for Empress Alexandra, particularly as Mary (starting 2:22) was a princess with strong German and English influences when being raised, and of a similar generation. The recording is from 1923, so she had by that time spent many years in the U. I imagine AF accent was more affected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtVNzxYQJs

I think you mistakenly gave the recording of Prince George and Princess Marina here.

Quote
This 1941 clip of Marie of Yugoslavia, for example, demonstrates how she blended a traditionally rounded Victorian accent, with a 'Slavic accent'. I imagine that the GD's would have sounded similar, speaking with a clear English accent at points (when she said 'goodbye boy's' for example).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz4TjPvC8co

Interesting, especially her French (more fluent than her English), in which she sounds (and looks!) like any provincial commre to me, speaking with rolled r's. BTW her linguistic background wasn't Slavic, as Romanian is a Romance language.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: davidov on February 17, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
Thanks this is the link with Queen Mary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO9VEfOeOxo

Indeed, it is not a Slavic language, however with her years in Yugoslavia, and her age, I thought she would be a good example, particularly with reference to the Grand Duchesses, as both their mothers were granddaughters of QV, and spoke English to them. I agree, her dress and manner are very unusual, one has the impression that, in spite of the fact she was a princess, and a Queen, that she didn't really give a damn.

Some other Russian, non royal examples are these two clips of Vladimir Nabokov. At the time of this recording he had been living in the West for years (though based in Switzerland). He has a typically U accent, but if you really pay attention, a number of slight quirks, which one could put down to teh Russian. He was raised speaking English, Russian and French (English was his first language), and given both his parents were Russian, I'd suspect he had English governess, which were very common, as French was falling out of fashion during the reign of Nicholas II. One could imagine the Iperial family sounding like something between Nabokov and Marie of Yugoslavia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYvbTGoTgUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8171K40pJho

With the exception of a widely known interview with Felix Yusupov, dubbed with a terrible voiceover, there is very little online, in spite of the fact that many lived long into the century. The remaining ranking members, Xenia and Olga, never seemed to have been interviewed to my knowledge. Perhaps a symptom of rank.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Превед on February 20, 2017, 06:19:24 PM
Maybe Alexandra Fyodorovna sounded a bit like Stalin in Russian? :P

I wonder if Alexandra Fyodorovna's Russian sounded somewhat like Stalin's, who spoke Russian well, but with a Georgian accent.
Stalin speaking, with less palatalisation (i.e. Aliksandra and Stalin instead of Alʲiksandra and Stalʲ in) and vowel reduction (i.e. Aleksandra Fyodorovna instead of Ehliksandreh Fyodaravneh)  than a native Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7IQRZ6MTI
Background-wise, as you can hear here, Stalin's native Georgian is not that different, phonetically, from AF's native German and RP English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpU3ktOXQ_k

I think both may have struggled equally with the palatalisation, but perhaps AF had less problems with spelling pronunciation (including lack of vowel reduction), as she got more oral tutoring when learning the language than Stalin did in the seminary, whose focus on Church Slavic without vowel reduction perhaps added to him exhibiting that feature.
Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: LauraO on February 23, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
I think it's a good point, and certainly an interesting comparison.
I feel that her accent would have certainly been one of variety at the very least, particularly when speaking Russian.
I've often wondered how much the English edge carried through. In various accounts this seems to have been stressed to different extents. if memory serves correctly it was Dehn who described the strong English edge to her voice, although correct me if I'm perhaps thinking of the wrong person here.
If so, I wonder how pronounced this was? Perhaps it was simply a matter of hearing different strains depending on the listener.


Title: Re: voices of the Imperial Family
Post by: Blagar75 on July 18, 2019, 08:44:17 AM
Are they confusing him with George VI and his stammer?

That's interesting about the actors being used, although if it's true, that's very disappointing!

Unfortunately in my opinion the speech of Nicholas II to President Emile Loubet which one can find on youtube does not feature the real voice of Nicholas II. I have tried in vain to find another recording of Emile Loubet to confront this one through the voice of Emile Loubet - failing to be able to do this with Nicolas IIs voice - but unfortunately it seems that there is none either.

Anyway :
- I dont doubt for a moment that Nicolas II indeed spoke in French during this speech, but on the recording, the voice does not have the slightest Russian accent: the one attributed to Nicholas II rolls even less the "r" than the one attributed to the French President. I do not know how much Nicolas II mastered the French accent, but whereas it is certain that he was fluent, I doubt that he spoke it like the voice on the recording, which sounds too French.
- It seems that there is no break between the first voice saying "Discours du Tsar et rponse de M. Loubet la revue de Krasnoe" and the supposed voice of the Tsar. Even more suspicious: the voice doesnt seem to change. Yet during the real event, it is obvious that the speech was not announced like this (still less by the Tsar himself).
- The absence of background sounds during the speeches seems to me suspicious, as well as the intonations, which, if the voices are rather high, do not seem to me to be the same as those one would have in front of a large audience.
- Moreover, the voice is not the same as the other available recording where he addresses his troops in Russian, and whose voice, in my opinion, is better suited to the one I imagine to be his.

Listening to this recording the first idea that came to me was that the speeches had been recorded after the event by French people (journalists or actors) for public distribution. It seems that this idea was also raised by someone else on this forum, so for me there is no longer any doubt.