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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Myth and Legends of Survivors => Topic started by: Sara Araújo on March 10, 2011, 03:41:53 PM

Title: New One
Post by: Sara Araújo on March 10, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Someone sent me this video of another Romanov claimant. He shows a number of documents (letters or e-mails, I think) that supposedly prove that the bones discovered are fake. He or she doesn't give any suggestion to how the Grand Duchesses, Alexandra and Alexei survived, but he/she shows a few photographs of the supposed imperial family at an old age.

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGuDxJiZJJk

And some of the photos:

Alleged OTMA:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAFoVC2vF-JshSBE4RagryFwUin42YYFe0K9eHAkcYHcv9p9bSzVwpanZLt8VYD7lkHltAP62ZRsM1Ux3sATVg48Am1T1UNV6Xg-wkcMiC0f7vT6EbUkTLJOy.jpg)

Alleged Alexandra:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAIz9iUZ3_skHrRdTCUzh9eNZKF0GsYuJmktVd8Hjriy8MNpsuEsAlbm3vg-5EuU3dvItDM6wlfsfoYSQ36O5udEAm1T1UM-SDG8ao_dYbcRoRKDFJzZwFwS8.jpg)

Alleged Olga and Alexei:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAM_SuOQzwDf3YMRvSRXVw6mrynlHBw_R3jTNvmyqSB2W1gYUke5HVrOljQ_uyRHtNPT1JnNJssNK_zEF009s4ZYAm1T1UNEAKDk5L1g78w4pENi6Kzj345-R.jpg)

Alleged Olga:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OQAAAKhaJ-vaxzabn4httGt7A0028aWkXvhYmuJYkNCgyuqedvgkFh8dwIBfjSPcj5sGKOqHQJkamgadpOXOvOtTJ-AAm1T1UCnmH7IaxR1FyZ4bFPGeRdLQdMz4.jpg)

Alleged Tatiana:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OQAAAD3QBg8Y1uBMkOFh21Po9EgOBXRwwDXrVDpNb48adCDbOo0V4EpFVflXatMuDt5w2sy5MX9YMEO1P1xyNYbOyigAm1T1UAgH3jy18SGjPEdpRxAIuUeEKvKs.jpg)

Alleged Maria:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OQAAAP69VaGPIELrH3vp7ywKXQZJ5wH45bRGvPHAVoZGsX2rIcoKUU-a6sSj1iR8XLZuAlT4WGPKV6QimqGI_45mj_EAm1T1UNNQmSygKwBtFbC7jWccZp_KXAcb.jpg)

Alleged Anastasia:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OQAAAJUapUXqo49vZRbCjbWHdN7hIKXcYnON-CEwysi7ZWiMzuUlLrXtqTEKQ8PO_N_Dqk0wUwixvGrLye5CJZbHwEIAm1T1UAIyVVTc36UMPw_c246mK7qmhN01.jpg)

What do you think of this one?
Title: Re: New One
Post by: EmmyLee on March 10, 2011, 05:47:55 PM
Oh brother!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Dust_of_History on March 11, 2011, 06:02:28 AM
I am glad that we know better!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 11, 2011, 09:37:10 AM
Just how would Alexei have grown to such a height that he towered over Olga?

Actually the alleged Alexandra does bear a kind of resemblance to the original.

Here we go again!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Sara Araújo on March 11, 2011, 11:36:52 AM
The person who made the video refers to Alexandra as "Queen Alexandra" and uses several photos of Ella to make comparisons, so... I mean, I can tell the difference between my great-grandmother and her sister, I would kind of expect a descendant of the Romanovs to know between his too.   :P
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on March 11, 2011, 11:45:44 AM
*snicker!*  *tee hee!*

Man, some people just can't face reality, it seems.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Forum Admin on March 11, 2011, 01:35:45 PM
Go read some of the comments on Resurrection of the Romanovs on Amazon if you want to see total rejection of reality!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 12, 2011, 05:26:19 AM
I tried not to laugh when looking at those pictures and watching the video. Indeed some people can’t face the reality, they will always doubt the DNA result, even if AA came back to life and said she is not Anastasia and she lied about the whole matter, still some people will still believe she was AN.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 13, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
This guy must think people will believe anything they see on the internet. Either that or he is seriously delusional.

He has also posted a video about his wife on YouTube where he claims that she has "noble roots" and is a "princess in her own right". Then he states that both of their grandparents were present at the signing of the Declaration Of Independence - which would make him almost 200 years old!

I tried posting some historical Romanov information to his YouTube video and he reported me as a spammer and blocked me from further posts. A classic case of "My mind's made up ... don't confuse me with the facts."
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Sara Araújo on March 13, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
He is delusional. I've been talking to him by e-mail, trying to figure out what led him to believe that his family descends from the Romanovs. When I asked how did they manage to escape Russia, he said he didn't know exactly, he only knew that they had gone to Budapest, made their way to Paris and then to America. I reminded him that Alexei was not able to walk at the time because of a serious fall and so it would be difficult for the family to make such a long travel with him at their back, not to mention that it was almost impossible for them to leave Russia without the knowledge of the government. He replied by saying that I needed to "watch more of my films or study the romanovs a little bit better" and that he was sure his great-grandmother was a Romanov just because I also know who my great-grandmother is. And then he sent me another of his videos...  ::)
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 13, 2011, 06:08:33 PM
I received the following email from him:

you dont get it still... im sorry to say you can NOT run D.N.A testing on bones you never had as for D.N.A testing the romanovs had extended family that where servent in there house and further more i must say you have not done your resurch then and dont know what your talking about and im am not a historian but i do know who my ancesters are and like i said befor you are entitled to your own opinion you are the first devils advocate out of over 200 messages and even know you have an opinion it dosn't matter it is what it is as far as im concerned you could be one of the scientist involved ... new account on youtube no friends no subscribers that leads me to believe you must be part of the problem and created this user name to troll please do you can not change the fact that the photos exist or that i carry the D.N.A of kings and may god bless you

Hard to argue with a guy who has the DNA of kings and believes that the facts don't matter!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: LauraO on March 14, 2011, 02:07:55 AM
i actually can't comprehend how people can still claim to be romanov descendants etc. THE BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND! i seriously don't understand how you can argue against 7 bodies tested and without doubt certified as the IF.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: LauraO on March 14, 2011, 02:18:09 AM
i just watched the video and made a large comment, but just deleted it before posting, whats the point? if you're THAT delusional, then nothings going to make you see sense.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 14, 2011, 08:52:45 AM
The blood of kings?  Maybe tsars or emperors?  Just what does "extended family who were servant in there (I guess he means their) house" mean?

Over the years, there have been so many who, with no bodies to prove the truth, have "dined out" on being a Romanov that they just can't stop or help themselves.

I have a cousin who has been working on our family tree for most of his life and he believes that we are descended from Edward Longshanks (Edward I, Plantagenet).  I don't think so, but he is convinced.

Everyone wants their fifteen minutes of fame and to a lot of people that means finding out that they are related to royalty.  Especially royalty who were "lost" for over 80 years.

I just wonder about the psychology of those who believe and (like Franziska Schanzkowska) how did they begin to believe and why?  Did they just wake up one morning and tell themselves this was a good idea?  Strange...
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
I have a cousin who has been working on our family tree for most of his life and he believes that we are descended from Edward Longshanks (Edward I, Plantagenet).  I don't think so, but he is convinced.

Why not? When a monarch has daughters, like Edward I had,  who marry into the nobility, and their offspring continue the downward social spiral by sinking or marrying into the gentry, then the yeoman class etc. it doesn't take many generations to reach somebody as humble as you and yours truly!

With regard to medieval monarchs, the descendants had to stay within the armigerous classes untill keeping of records of baptisms, weddings and deaths also was extended to average folks (some time after the Reformation or Counter-Reformation, depending on area), otherwise it's impossible to document.

But recent examples of how quick social descent is possible are e.g. (morganatic) Romanov scions and The Lady Iris Mountbatten, great grand-daughter of QV, and her descendants. And consider this: QEII, the current high priestess of royalty, can trace her ancestry on both her father's and her mother's side back to the Dark Ages through many lines (if we keep undocumented mythical descent from King David, Wodan etc. out of the picture!), but one maternal line stops in the last half of the 18th century, with a certain Frances Webb (the Queen Mother's maternal great great grandmother). Who was this Frances Webb? And how removed was she from the lowly weaver who probably was the source of her surname? Or consider hereditary peers called Cooper, Le Tonnelier de Breteuil etc. That means one of their ancestors was a mere cooper!

If QEII can be descended from an obscure 18th century woman we know nothing about, I can't see why you can't be descended from a 13th century monarch! If you give it a few generations and throw in lots of hard work, sex drive, crime and disasters, then social mobility, in both directions, can be amazing, not only in the US, but also in the ancien-régime Old World.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 14, 2011, 09:32:15 AM
I guess that is me - the old "spiral down" of the family.

I actually grew up with my paternal line telling me that we were descended from German Royalty.  I may have found a connection to Hesse through those soldiers who came to the US with Baron von Steuben during the revolution, but I doubt that they were more than the regular lowly Hessian soldiers.

I have found several Jaegers (translates to Hunters) who were accepted as citizens of the state of New Jersey in the 1790s and they are Hessian.  They must have stayed around after Valley Forge 1777-1778 and crossed over into New Jersey and took up residence there.

Hey!  (Just kidding) maybe I am related to the Romanovs after all.  I might be related (on the Hessian side) to Empress Marie who was Nicholas II's grandmother!  Which would mean that I could also be related to Alexandra through her father!!!   (As I said, Just Kidding!)
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
I actually grew up with my paternal line telling me that we were descended from German Royalty.

Obviously the people who told you this had no idea about how endogamic Ebenbürtigkeit made this group!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 14, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
Enlighten me, Please!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Enlighten me, Please!

Since the Reformation, when the keeping of records for normal folks started, German royals (i.e. members of immediate imperial families) have, with few exceptions, only married other German or foreign royals.

People are far more likely to be a descendant of Edward Longshanks than a Landgrave of Hesse. Not only because King Edward lived a few centuries earlier and thus has more descendants than most Hessian landgraves, but also because his children married into the nobility, his grandchildren into the gentry etc., while nearly all children and grandchildren of Landgraves of Hesse married other German royals. Even a daughter of a Landgrave marrying an untitled nobleman would be an exception. It was a very closed caste.

Yes, even the strict ebenbürtige Landgraves fathered bastards and morganauts, but they (at least the proven ones) are not as plentiful as people like to imagine and were usually integrated into the non-immediate nobility, which was almost as endogamic as the royals.

A phenomena like the Romanovs, i.e. somebody becoming monarch without their paternal ancestors having been princes since times immemorial, was simply not possible in Germany. Who and what were the ancestors of the Romanovs in the 15th, 14th and 13th century? We have no idea! But we know exactly who and what the Landgraves of Hesse were in those centuries and who they married. And that was not commoners!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
But really, what does it matter if one's ancestors were landgravial or not, when one has the privilege to hail from the fairytale land of the Brothers Grimm: beautiful Hesse. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQI_z9dM6Bs&feature=related)
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 14, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
I did say that I was kidding!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 11:17:30 AM
I did say that I was kidding!

I know you were not claiming to be related to the Romanovs through the Landgraves of Hesse, but we need to stress the fact that it's likely a lot of us are descended from Rurik, Charlemagne or Edward Longshanks, while the chance that any of us is descended from the Landgraves of Hesse is extremely small.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 14, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
It's interesting to imagine that all of us could be related to royalty somewhere in our family tree - although it's hard to believe in my family!

Unfortunately for YouTube guy, there is conclusive evidence that Nicholas II, Alexandra, and ALL of their 5 children were executed in 1918 so there is NO possibility of any direct descendents from the Russian imperial family. (Unless one of the Grand Duchesses had a child that nobody knows about? Or Alexei was faking his hemophilia to divert attention from his participation in Rasputin's orgies???)

According to his DNA video, YouTube guy is convinced that Anastasia was his great grandmother and has absolutely no interest in any evidence to the contrary. The grandparents that he claims were present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence (from the video about his wife) must have been from another branch of his family!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 14, 2011, 02:17:40 PM
I guess most of us know that Wilhelm I of Prussia needed some convincing in order to accept Auguste Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein as ebenbürtig bride for his grandson. due to her grandmother being a mere Countess Danneskiold-Samsøe. Even more interesting is that this countess's father, although an admiral and son of another admiral, had a bourgeois mother called Mette Mathisen, who although the widow of a major, was the daughter of a mere church deacon.

The haughty German Empress's great great grandmother was the daughter of a bourgeois church deacon! That is more shocking than Alixz being a descendant of King Edward I!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: LauraO on March 24, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
youtube guy just sent me an email via youtube simple saying "TRUTH", linked to a video about nastya not even the video we're talking about. i was actually like what the hell? when i said i don't even know what you're talking about he was like, well i'm simply trying to tell you that all of the evidence that the bodies have been found are 100% fake. i seriously have no idea why he sent me the message....i've never commented on one of his videos or talked to him etc. only knew who he was because i read this thread a few days ago.

i replied but didn't even bother arguing. if you're that delusional its utterly pointless.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 25, 2011, 11:03:17 PM
From what I've seen, his only "evidence" for being related to Anastasia is his claim that facial markers on the grand duchesses match marks on the faces of his ancestors. He's comparing blurred colour photographs to approximately 100-year-old black & white photographs of the imperial family. I have no idea how he can tell whether these markings were actually present on the skins of these people or whether they are just photographic imperfections. I can't even see some of the markings. He also ignores marks that do not appear on both the B&W and colour photos.

I'm utterly amazed that anyone thinks they can refute decades of research by reputable scientists and historians with ridiculous "evidence" like this. And he's publishing it on mass media. Unbelievable!

Since he represents himself as believing in God, I asked him what God would think of him manufacturing evidence to exalt himself and discredit reputable scientists. His only answer was to block me from sending him messages or posting on his YouTube site. Maybe he meant to send your message to me, TunaEars.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: LauraO on March 26, 2011, 02:52:18 AM
also his basis of people actually listening are those who WANT to believe what they're being told. sure, its nice to think that they weren't all massacred, but i don't know many caught up in that fantasy enough to try and disprove years of forensice evuidence. the fact that he blocked you probably shows the strength of his story . likewise, i couldn't even see some of the facial marks.  i'd be interested to know if the guy is actually delusional and believes what hes saying or just trying to exploit a year old murder.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 26, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
Hi,

Well, my father looked a lot like Clark Gable, especially as he got older;  but I don't claim that Gable was my 'grandfather'!!!
Really, a lot of people have similar characteristics and resemble each other.  I've noticed that more & more over the years.  After all, we're all human beings and centuries ago, we must all have common ancestors...
And, since we supposedly all came from the sea, then perhaps that barricuda in the Caribbean is your great grandmother!!!!

Just a little levity for this very strange thread...

Larry
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 26, 2011, 10:23:55 AM
Larry - My father in law looks a lot like Anthony Quinn.  My father in law is Italian and Anthony Quinn is Mexican.  Quinn's real name is:

Antonio Rudolfo Oaxaca Quinn.

My father in law doesn't claim to be related to Quinn, he only wishes that he had Quinn's money.

Actually on the other hand, my own father looked a lot like Orson Wells.  So much so that when we moved into a new house once, the woman next door almost fainted.  She actually thought that Orson Wells had moved into her neighborhood! (My mother could never see the resemblance, but I can.)

I truly believe that all facial characteristics are repeated and repeated over the generations.  Just go back 12 generations on one line of any family and you will find 4096 ancestors.  But that is only one line and we all have dozens of lines from each of the original two parents.

By the way, and this IS true.  Twelve generations back, I am descended from Edmund Lewis of Wales (1601- 1650).  He had quite a few children but among them he had two sons Benjamin and James.  

I am descended from James.  

Lucille Ball is descended from Benjamin.

Yep, that is right.  Lucille Ball is my tenth cousin.  What a Kick!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 26, 2011, 10:37:12 AM
That is funny Larry. In my own experience, back in LA years ago,  people thought I was related- a twin- to a rather famous or I should say notorious person in the news. I did not even know who he was until  someone clued me in. I actually met him once, before the police got to him. That was like meeting my twin, I had to admit.  My close friends knew it was not true, but it certainly turned heads amongst the casual /bar buddies.. I even had to convince the police we were not related. [someone gave them my name. I even wrote to him for a while when he went to San Quinton prison. But that was  30 years+ ago.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Forum Admin on March 26, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
All so true.  On Bob's Mother's side, 12 generations back he has one Sir Robert de la Mar as an ancestor, who fought at the Battle of Hastings and was awarded a title and property. Among Robert's more recent descendants, aside from Bob are Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Princes William and Harry and Lady Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales!!  Bob is very bummed he didn't get an invite to William and Kate's wedding...LOL
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 27, 2011, 12:23:59 PM
YouTube guy has removed his DNA video. It would be interesting to know whether he's had a change of heart or whether he's regrouping for another assault on reality!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on March 28, 2011, 06:24:24 AM
FA - I'll have to keep looking in my tree.  Maybe Bob and I are related. 

After all my cousin thinks we are related to Edward I Plantagenet and my relatives are from Wales and Edward II (his son) was the first to style himself Prince of Wales....  LOL  So where is MY invite to the "wedding of the century".

My Edmund Lewis was born in:   Llysalybont, Glamorganshire, Wales.  He died in Lynn, Essex, MA in 1650.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on March 28, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
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YouTube guy has removed his DNA video. It would be interesting to know whether he's had a change of heart or whether he's regrouping for another assault on reality

Maybe he's gone back to his home planet.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Holly on March 30, 2011, 10:03:33 PM
Not sure if this is the same person or not but I've been receiving messages on my youtube account from a user claiming AS USUAL to have "secret" knowledge that will "come out" soon. The story made me laugh though. I'll post some select bits for your reading "pleasure".

"I see that you are trying to be accurate and logical here with your statement. Try adding this logic to your expertise...Anastasia was changeling at birth at Petergof. Yes! That is right! This is the exact reason WHY the DNA tests have no match for Anna Anderson! The Tsarina labored in 1901, giving birth to a "special needs" infant that could not remain as part of Tsarkoe Selo and the court. It could not be known that a baby that was not normal was born. Grand Duchess Ella switched the baby boy with a Polish infant, thus the adoption of Anastasia in to the Romanov Family."

"I am a Historian of the Imperial Russian Dynasty, I lunch with Princesses of Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov, as well as Von Hesse, Von Hapsburg, and Von Hohenzollern. I have told them what you said, and they laugh at your ignorance! You know absolutely nothing about this history or what WWII did to it!"

He also sent me, for some strange reason, a letter he supposedly sent to Peter Sarandinaki of the SEARCH Foundation.

Title: Re: New One
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 30, 2011, 10:49:33 PM
Hi,

Well, shades of Mary Modena and her 'warming pan baby'!!!!!!.....
I must say that I give credit to this "delude" for coming up with a new take on that old story.  But, a royal or imperial birth, as we all know, is not a very private event.  There are several people around and popping in & out during the confinement, so just when did Ella run off to Poland and steal a little peasant girl and present her to the Czar????
I know Ella was a saint;  but good Gawd, she didn't have wings yet!!!

Thanks Holly for sharing this 'new' discovery.

Larry
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 30, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
"I see that you are trying to be accurate and logical here with your statement.

There's your mistake, Holly ... trying to be accurate and logical! It's so much easier to make outrageous statements with no evidence to back them up. Then label anyone who disagrees as uninformed and ignorant.

I'm utterly amazed at how these wingnuts can so easily dismiss decades of research by hundreds of serious scientists and historians.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Holly on March 31, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
You're welcome, Larry. I also was pretty impressed with this one!

Yes, here I go again, with my accuracy and logic. I guess I'll never learn..

Apparently Alexei was also adopted:

"There was also another female child placed in a home in The Netherlands belonging to the Imperial Family. These were difficult times, and no birth control. The common people do not know the pressures on the Royal Families to produce a proper heir, to protect children and families from mixed blood lines, bad blood, assassinations, changelings, use of changelings, and other bloodline issues. The True Crown has enemies going back thousands of years, both within and without.

Similarly, the Tsarevich is NOT a biological son of the Tsar. The Tsar became sexually impotent after his bout with Typhoid fever in 1900. Alexei is actually a son of the Tsar confident friend, General Orlov and the Tsarina Maria Feodorovna. This is why Nicholas II abdicated for his adopted son, he was NOT a Romanov, but by adoption.

I finding it both shocking and appalling that scientists have not figured out the logic that is "family basics", when in comes to a Royal household. Many Royals were changelings, and spread around the continent. Are you against adoptions?"


I particularly enjoy - "Are you against adoptions?"
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 31, 2011, 09:11:56 AM
Hi Holly,

Wow, this gets better & better;  and stupider & stupider!!!!

Maria Feodorovna had a baby at 53?  And, with a General Orlov (whoever he was?).....???
I know she loved to dance with her generals and officers but that's it!!!  She was a pretty moral person, whatever her other faults may have been...

This guy seriously needs to be committed - maybe to the asylum run by Alexander III....  This is my poor attempt at a joke!!

Larry
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 31, 2011, 12:13:02 PM
Similarly, the Tsarevich is NOT a biological son of the Tsar. The Tsar became sexually impotent after his bout with Typhoid fever in 1900. Alexei is actually a son of the Tsar confident friend, General Orlov and the Tsarina Maria Feodorovna. This is why Nicholas II abdicated for his adopted son, he was NOT a Romanov, but by adoption.


I wonder how this guy explains (or dismisses) the Russian DNA testing that identified the gene for hemophilia in the remains of Alexandra, Alexei, and one of the GDs?
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on March 31, 2011, 12:29:42 PM
Maria Feodorovna had a baby at 53?  And, with a General Orlov (whoever he was?).....???


Wasn't General Orlov the "bad guy" in the James Bond movie Octopussy?

Maybe Alexei did survive and grew up to be a British secret service agent who inspired Ian Fleming to create James Bond.

There must be people out there who believe they are reincarnations of members of the imperial family. Maybe historians could learn the "real truth" from their past-life memories!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on March 31, 2011, 03:50:58 PM
 
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AS USUAL to have "secret" knowledge that will "come out" soon

Of course, this knowledge NEVER comes out, because it doesn't exist :)
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 01, 2011, 11:16:56 AM
Of course, this knowledge NEVER comes out, because it doesn't exist :)

If we could only access the archives on Planet X!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 01, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Who IS this deranged clown ? I can't seem to find him on Youtube or anywhere else these crackpots congregate. I am beginning to doubt he even exists.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Alixz on April 01, 2011, 01:43:12 PM
There was an Orlov who was associated with Alexandra.  I don't know why, but I seem to remember that he was around during the typhoid illness of Nicholas at Livadia in 1900, but Alexandra was already pregnant with Anastasia who would be born the next year in June.

There was a big flap about a regency in the case of the Tsar's death, but Alexandra wanted to be in charge in case the baby would be born a boy.  Michael was considered, but both Nicholas and Alexandra were against that.  Nicholas thought that Michael would mess things up as regent (how he could mess things up more than N&A is a mystery, but that is what was said at the time).

General Prince Alexander Orlov. He was commandant of the Tsarina´s Regiment of Ulanos and what Greg King says in his book is that it was just society gossip and of course he had NO affair at all with Alexandra. He died, I think, some years before the revolution while being in Egypt
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 01, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
Greg King also mentions  Prince Vladimir Orlov in The Court of the Last Tsar pgs 111 & 271.
 He was a favourite of Nicholas and achieved high military rank. He also set up the Imperial garage.  He fell out of Alexandra's favour because of his opposition to Rasputin.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Holly on April 01, 2011, 03:23:19 PM
Thanks for the information on Orlov, Alixz.

Robert, he is very, very real! I got about four messages before I sent a lengthy response in the hopes he would be stumped and wouldn't send me any more. Haven't heard back yet. The username is 1toscany, though he has no uploads.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 01, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
Thanks, Holly, I shall look out for him. I was not doubting you, just this fool's genuineness. That is, he could be a put-on.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on April 01, 2011, 04:23:24 PM
This guy seriously needs a reality check.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 01, 2011, 11:58:27 PM
The username is 1toscany, though he has no uploads.

I tried a google search for "1toscany" and got quite a few hits. On his Channel (see link below), he claims to be a 56-year-old historian from Miami.

He has posted a number of photos on Photobucket, including his parents (last name Romanov, of course).

He posted a comment on a YouTube video called anna anderson video trial NWC, repeating some of the claims in the emails he sent you.

The "Recent Activity" on his Channel reflects an interest in young male bodybuilders with bare chests. Possibly research for a study of Russian bodybuilding history???

http://www.youtube.com/user/1toscany#p/a/f/0/kr7PEx7m86g
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Holly on April 02, 2011, 09:26:13 AM
The "Recent Activity" on his Channel reflects an interest in young male bodybuilders with bare chests. Possibly research for a study of Russian bodybuilding history???

Hahaha, yes, we can only hope so.

That's interesting that he put his parents' last name as Romanov. He never notified me that he was a Romanov himself. How exciting!

If his messages were shorter and there weren't more than two replies I probably would've suspected he wasn't being serious but one was so long that I couldn't even bring myself to read it all. At one point he stated that he told his princess friends about my replies and they were laughing at my ignorance.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 02, 2011, 10:34:43 AM
  Re "billmcl2" and your post #49:  Possibly I am flying rather "blind" here (if so, I stand to be corrected), but due to some rather striking similiarities, I believe that IMO "1toscany" is, and has been, a member of this APTMF for some time, appearing somewhat often at times under what I take to be his real name, which is his perogative.  
  As for the word/name "toscany," I believe that there was at least one short discussion/comment of (the somewhat unusual name) "toscany" versus "Tuscany."     Regards,   AP.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 02, 2011, 01:00:30 PM
The same thoughts occured to me as well, AP.  I was thinking some of these so-called "claims" sounded a bit familiar.
 And, if he wants  "young male body builders" he can certainly find them in Florida, especially Miami Beach !
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 02, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
That's interesting that he put his parents' last name as Romanov. He never notified me that he was a Romanov himself. How exciting!

If his messages were shorter and there weren't more than two replies I probably would've suspected he wasn't being serious but one was so long that I couldn't even bring myself to read it all. At one point he stated that he told his princess friends about my replies and they were laughing at my ignorance.

He labels the photo of his parents as EmmanuelRomanov so I assumed that one of his parents was born a Romanov. (2nd page of google search, posted on Photobucket) It would be interesting to find out if he believes he's another descendent of Anastasia.

I'm also wondering if all these German princesses he knows are living in Miami, too. Maybe they hang out with those bare-chested Russian bodybuilders!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 02, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
As for the word/name "toscany," I believe that there was at least one short discussion/comment of (the somewhat unusual name) "toscany" versus "Tuscany."

1toscany also comes up frequently as an address in google searches so I'm wondering if it has something to do with where he lives?
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 02, 2011, 02:17:23 PM
The only  "princesses" in  Miami that I know of are certainly NOT German. There are plenty of queens, though.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 02, 2011, 03:21:03 PM
 Referencing Reply # 54:  Lives in Tuscany (Italy)?  No, far from it, I feel certain.   AP.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 02, 2011, 03:41:02 PM
I thought I saw mention of Florida, perhaps  Orlando ? Hence my sarcastic comment.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 02, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
I have gone back to the video-clip presentation, billmcl2/Robert, and from that (information about the poster) confirmed my thoughts on the ID of the "New One."  I have openly exchanged posts with him here sometime back (through not on the immediate topic at hand), and found him to be nothing but civil, polite, and coherent in his communications to me.  But as the Americans say: "I have no dog in this fight," and thus having now satisfied my curiosity and with your kind understanding, I'll quitely refrain from further comments.    Best regards to you both,  AP.  
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 02, 2011, 06:58:01 PM
Hi Robert,

All the "princesses"  and more 'queens' than you could shake a stick at, were in "La Cage Aux Folle";  and Nathon Lane was their idol...
Nary a one called 'Romanov' ---
That's my sarcastic comment for this thread and also, I, am leaving this thread now too!!

Larry
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 03, 2011, 02:44:51 PM
Referencing Reply # 54:  Lives in Tuscany (Italy)?  No, far from it, I feel certain.

My guess is that "1toscany" is a street address or perhaps a unit address in a condominium development or apartment. It came up as an address in more than one city in my google search.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 03, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
Here's another one from a Facebook site:

Dorothy Matlean Lewis
Lenin did not order the executions. And I spent many years doing the research on this. According to all published accounts, the Romanovs were killed 37 different ways and dug up and positively identified 9 times. It was a hoax set up by Nicholas and his mother paid money to keep it going. 7 countries helped Nicholas and his family escape with Japan being the first and the Bristish Royal family were the last. The family did escape and split up. You all have not done INDEPTH investigation...everything that you read must be researched out and unless you spend a great deal of time going down each road you will....like the rest of the sheeple believe the lies you've read. I know for a FACT they escaped and I know from the highest sources including the US government.....it does amuse me how easily people are misled....if you read it...it MUST be the truth....funny.....
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on April 03, 2011, 04:23:48 PM
*snicker*  *tee hee*  *chortle*  Let [me] add the missing bit to the above post..

Dorothy Matlean Lewis
Lenin did not order the executions. And I spent many years doing the research on this. According to all published accounts, the Romanovs were killed 37 different ways and dug up and positively identified 9 times. It was a hoax set up by Nicholas and his mother paid money to keep it going. 7 countries helped Nicholas and his family escape with Japan being the first and the Bristish Royal family were the last. The family did escape and split up.


Finally, many years later, the Romanovs reunited at Roswell, New Mexico, where a UFO took them all away from Earth.  They now live on the planet Peladon, along with Elvis, Judge Crater, and Amelia Earhart.  Agent Mulder told me all that, but his partner Agent Scully, doesn't believe it.  Oops, gotta go, the Men In Black have found me!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on April 03, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
This is the most utterly ridiculous thing I have ever read.  ::) ::)
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.....it does amuse me how easily people are misled....
I could say the same thing about them! Us, mislead? Far, far from the truth.
I like your humorous add-on, Tim!  :D Considering what this person believes, I wouldn't be too very suprised if he said that was truth, too!  It just makes me shake my head in disbelief... tsk, tsk, tsk...
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 03, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Finally, many years later, the Romanovs reunited at Roswell, New Mexico, where a UFO took them all away from Earth.  They now live on the planet Peladon, along with Elvis, Judge Crater, and Amelia Earhart.  Agent Mulder told me all that, but his partner Agent Scully, doesn't believe it.  Oops, gotta go, the Men In Black have found me![/i]

Thanks for the "INDEPTH investigation", Tim! As one of the "sheeple" who "believed the lies I've read" I'm grateful to be shown the "FACTS from the highest sources including the US government". I guess I'll just have to devote "many years doing the research on this" to avoid being "misled" in the future!
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 03, 2011, 07:32:15 PM
People. i think THIS (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41100) is the Toscany you re looking for....
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Holly on April 03, 2011, 08:55:17 PM
Yes, that is 1Toscany.

I was never quite interested in who he was, to be honest. It's too much effort for something so inconsequential.

I'm afraid I won't be getting another reply though. It was good for comedic value. Not quite up to par with Tim's version of history.  ; )
Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 03, 2011, 10:36:06 PM
People. i think THIS (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41100) is the Toscany you re looking for....

Does anyone know if he has actually written and published a book?
Title: Re: New One
Post by: voyageroffreedom on April 04, 2011, 04:40:46 AM
Don’t know, but he have a vivid imagination he could use it to write a fiction book.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 04, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
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YouTube guy has removed his DNA video. It would be interesting to know whether he's had a change of heart or whether he's regrouping for another assault on reality

Maybe he's gone back to his home planet.

Sadly..no. Hes back with his utterly ridiculous videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PrinceRomanov#p/u/2/EuQnx_IpX6o

Title: Re: New One
Post by: billmcl2 on April 04, 2011, 05:17:12 PM
Sadly..no. Hes back with his utterly ridiculous videos.

More blurred photos. Now calling himself "Prince Romanov". A list of "friends" on his Channel that he has mostly invited himself.

If it wasn't so disrespectful to real historians and to the victims of the execution, I would almost feel sorry for someone that desperate for status and attention.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on April 05, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
Ah, the age of YouTube, where anyone can get on and say what they want.

Next, Elvis is alive and living in Paris.  I have pictures!   ::)
Title: Re: Empress Alexandra claimant
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 26, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
Since there is no thread about Empress Alexandra Feodorovna claimants, I put it here:

Some weeks ago I was checking for some new information about claimants and I found a site made by a grandson of Josephine Fedele, a woman who was claimed to be Anastasia. The site included the already known story of the Fedele siblings, Concetta, Josephine and Francesco (who claimed to be Olga, Anastasia and Alexei) and some photo comparisons. But now I found that this man claims that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna also survived to the execution and is his great grandmother Angela, here the photo:

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/anna_zps1u9emgcj.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/anna_zps1u9emgcj.jpg.html)

The caption it had is: "Anna Vyrubova and Rasputin on the left. Anna V.& Alexandra (my Great grandmother Angela) after 1918."

But it is not the worse.... this man also claims that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna is not daughter of Grand Duchess Alice of Hesse but biological daughter of Queen Alexandra of the United Kingdom!!! The story is that after the birth and death of the short lived Prince John in 1871, Queen Victoria forbad to the Prince and Princess of Wales to have more children. Later this year, the Prince of Wales caught typhoid fever and during one delirium he blamed his wife of adultery being this known among the courtiers. At this time, Alexandra of Wales was pregnant again, despite her mother in law forbad her so. But after the birth of the baby girl, in June 1872, Grand Duchess Alice of Hesse started claiming that the child was hers and after meeting with her brother Edward and his wife, she took baby Alix with her to Darmastadt where she was raised among Alice's family!! :-/  
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on April 13, 2016, 07:36:31 AM
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But now I found that this man claims that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna also survived to the execution and is his great grandmother Angela, here the photo

None of the ladies in those pictures even remotely looks like Alix.

Who does this person think they're trying to kid here. 
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 28, 2016, 11:08:37 AM
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But now I found that this man claims that Empress Alexandra Feodorovna also survived to the execution and is his great grandmother Angela, here the photo

None of the ladies in those pictures even remotely looks like Alix.

Who does this person think they're trying to kid here. 

I think that he believes that the woman at the left (on the second picture) looks like Anna Vyrubova,  so this is his "proof" that his great grandmother (at the right) is actually Empress Alexandra. Agree fully with you, she doesn't look even remotely as the Empress... neither as the Fedele siblings look Olga, Anastasia and Alexei.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Kalafrana on April 28, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
So how did this one escape the cellar in Ekaterinburg?

Interesting to see a false Alexandra. I'd assumed that that absence of them reflected the Empress's unpopularity.

Ann
Title: Re: New One
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 28, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
So how did this one escape the cellar in Ekaterinburg?
Ann

Well, I think that in the same way than the false Olga, Anastasia and Alexei (children of this woman) did. Their story was that several members of the IF got to escape because there was a secret treaty between the Soviet government and the Kaiser. They left Russia and then moved to Germany trough Poland, later they moved to Argentina. Although at first I didn't know that they also claimed that the Empress "survived" too.


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Interesting to see a false Alexandra. I'd assumed that that absence of them reflected the Empress's unpopularity.

There are some false Alexandras (one in this thread, but at the first pages if I'm not wrong), I've been looking for them for a while, although they aren't as famous as the false Imperial Children.
Title: Re: New One
Post by: TimM on April 28, 2016, 05:45:52 PM
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So how did this one escape the cellar in Ekaterinburg?


(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b458/timmccree1966/Aliens_zpsb9hc6cq4.jpg)