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Title: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 04, 2005, 09:42:28 PM
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There hasn't been any response to this request, and I too would love to get a better sense of exactly where these rooms are located.  The State Museum 'Tzarskoje Selo'  has a numbered floorplan of the entire Alexander Palace and it would be great if one of the palace historians could identify where these rooms are on the plan.  Thanks so much.


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can anyone identify the function/designation for the rooms in the right wing?   the color-code has identified who occupied which space.... but it would be fantastic to know which room was A III's study, etc.    A III & MF seem to have occupied a large number of rooms (then again, so did N II & AF!), it would be really interesting to know what they were.    

specifically, rooms 18 thru 56

CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP IN IDENTIFYING THESE ROOMS?


i know someone out there has to know....
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Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: grandduchessella on January 04, 2005, 11:30:53 PM
You might enjoy this site:

http://historichouses.simshost.com/page56.htm

Of course the designer played around a bit for space sake (he notes what) but there is a note that the rooms of AIII and MF were closed during the reign of N&A. It's pretty cool to see some of the rooms laid out though I won't vouch for the authenticity--I just thinks it's interesting to see.
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: gleb on January 05, 2005, 01:48:46 PM
Hi Brian!

As far as I know room 29 is the bedroom of Maria Fedorovna and Alexander III, room 33 is the Blue budoir, room 31 is a passage room, room 32 is Alexandra Nikolaevna's memorial chapel, room 44 is the stag chamber (and to my opinion former bedroom of two Veliky Kniaz, but I do not remember exactly, anyway they were two children of Nikolaj I. Look at the book with the watercolors, the French one, I mean)
and or room 38 or 39 is the study of Alexander III.

Room 18 is the so-called bathroom of Alexandra Fedorovna and room 19 is the white hall.

Hope to be useful. And forgive me if I made mistakes.
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 05, 2005, 03:45:13 PM
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 Look at the book with the watercolors, the French one, I mean  



actually, i don't have have that book.   and i've either never seen it, or (if it's part of the boxed set), i've only seen it once for about 15 minutes 3 years ago.     if it has a plan/s, could you send it to me? (the plan, not the book! ;) )    i just want to see how it compares to what i've got already....
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: gleb on January 06, 2005, 02:21:48 PM
The book I am referring to, is Imperial Palaces in the Vicinity of St. Petersburg
by Emmanuel Ducamp, Ivan Petrovich Sautov, N. S. Tretiakov

they are four volumes (one for each summer palace),
one volume is on Tsarskoe Selo (but there are no plans).

I thought you had them already becouse I saw the watercolors you sent about Gatchina, and some of the Cathrine palace.

bye
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 07, 2005, 02:00:04 AM
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The book I am referring to, is Imperial Palaces in the Vicinity of St. Petersburg
by Emmanuel Ducamp, Ivan Petrovich Sautov, N. S. Tretiakov

they are four volumes (one for each summer palace),
one volume is on Tsarskoe Selo (but there are no plans).

I thought you had them already becouse I saw the watercolors you sent about Gatchina, and some of the Cathrine palace.

bye


that's the one i thought you were talking about :)    but, nope, i don't have the set.....i've collected the watercolors (in various forms) for a really long time (but, i must admit, the advent of the internet/www helped alot!)  ;)
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: gleb on January 13, 2005, 01:20:39 PM
In a previous post I wrote that the stag chamber of Alexander III http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/stag.html
is the former bedroom of two Grand Dukes, sons of Nicholas I.
I have no "evidences" but the watercolur I am posting.
I'd like to ask Mr. Bob Atchison if He agree with me or not and what He thinks of this....

many thanks in advance



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Russia/pa5.jpg)
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: gleb on January 14, 2005, 12:59:41 PM
Thanks Joanna,
These are the same things I noted.
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: strom on February 16, 2005, 12:52:34 PM
I have heard that the Jacaranda Room was #19, ruined in the war, also #18 was traditionally a display room for the personal tapestries of Catherine II, though I think the chamber was assumed by G.D. Elizabeth before the Revoltution of 1905. #33 was traditionally a grand Dining Chamber, though it was not used as such in the last reign.  I was at the Palace two years ago and noticed that windows of the Right Hand wing of the palace, that formerly occupied by Emperor Alexander III, were obscured as if they had not been cleaning in many years.  Much of the palace appeared derelict.    
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: londo954 on February 16, 2005, 11:33:23 PM
Jacaranda refers to a Japanese style
Title: Re: a plea for room identification...
Post by: strom on February 25, 2005, 03:15:14 PM
My understanding is that the Jacaranda room was so named for the marvelous wood from South American that was used for the walls and doors.  I believe it was gutted during the war and used for fire-wood!
Incidentally, I was at the palace a couple of years ago and noticed that at least one of the marvelous mahoghany bookcase that once lined one of the libraries (I think the Smaller libary) had been restored or entirely refabricated.  These were rather simple in the best Russian Classic style, but extraordinary for size and quality of material.  
Title: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2006, 09:05:14 AM
Does anyone know which room this was taken in? I'm assuming it's on the children's floor, but I can't make out the frieze well enough to decide which room.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7315/alixalekseiintheplayroom2lr.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alixalekseiintheplayroom2lr.jpg)


My best guess is the playroom, judging by the position of the frieze in relation to the doorway.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/932/playroom7eh.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playroom7eh.jpg)(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6664/playroomwatercolor6fn.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playroomwatercolor6fn.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: pers on February 07, 2006, 09:14:56 AM
Yes Sarushka, you are right.  It is the playroom upstairs. :)
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2006, 12:09:10 PM
Thank you, pers.

Two more questions, then:

1. Is the doorway on the right-hand side of the photo of Alix & Aleksei the same doorway on the left-hand side of this photo of the playroom?
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/932/playroom7eh.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playroom7eh.jpg)
2. Also in the photo above, what are the railings/banisters in the foreground for?
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: pers on February 07, 2006, 01:01:53 PM
It looks like the door to the girls' rooms, and I think it is a "cozy corner where the railings and bannisters are.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Ortino on February 07, 2006, 07:56:49 PM
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It looks like the door to the girls' rooms, and I think it is a "cozy corner where the railings and bannisters are.


The door on the far left couldn't be one to the girls' rooms. That entrance is to Alexei's rooms. The Grand Duchesses' entrance would have been on the right. The direction of the dark runner indicates this as well. The enclosed area may have been for Alexei's bed, since his bed was sometimes moved into the playroom when he was ill.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Forum Admin on February 07, 2006, 08:18:57 PM
The dark runners indicate that the photo was taken during the "Detskoie Selo" period when the AP was a museum, as does the arrangement of the toys, the toys were all put away during the Imperial period
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Ortino on February 07, 2006, 08:52:54 PM
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The dark runners indicate that the photo was taken during the "Detskoie Selo" period when the AP was a museum, as does the arrangement of the toys, the toys were all put away during the Imperial period


I knew that already. I was simply pointing out the direction of the runner.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2006, 10:25:51 PM
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The dark runners indicate that the photo was taken during the "Detskoie Selo" period when the AP was a museum, as does the arrangement of the toys, the toys were all put away during the Imperial period

I've been meaning to ask about those runners. So they weren't used by the Imperial Family? Some of the watercolors make them look like red carpets, so I wasn't sure -- though red carpet seemed a little 'uppity' for the private apartments, considering Alix's modest taste.  ;)
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Ortino on February 08, 2006, 05:45:18 AM
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I've been meaning to ask about those runners. So they weren't used by the Imperial Family? Some of the watercolors make them look like red carpets, so I wasn't sure -- though red carpet seemed a little 'uppity' for the private apartments, considering Alix's modest taste.  ;)


No, they weren't. They were used most likely to preserve the light carpets beneath when tourists came through.
Title: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 11, 2006, 11:18:43 PM
Hey folks!

I've got some vintage palace photos I need help identifying. I'm not sure if they're all the AP, but I don't know where else to post them...

Olga's bedroom, or a sickroom?
1.(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9233/scan00425jp.th.jpg) (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00425jp.jpg) 2.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1376/olgaana22fs.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olgaana22fs.jpg)

Whose bedrooms -- Big Pair or Little Pair?
3.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/125/bedroom8yv.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedroom8yv.jpg) 4.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6698/tmabedroom5bf.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmabedroom5bf.jpg)

Alexander Palace or elsewhere? (And are these the same room?)
5.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/674/tatianatyphus7nl.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tatianatyphus7nl.jpg) 6.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6494/olgagiggle3rl.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olgagiggle3rl.jpg)

Alexander Palace or Livadia?
7.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/405/mashka190816jz.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mashka190816jz.jpg) 8.(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5388/olgazhillie0xq.th.jpg) (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olgazhillie0xq.jpg)

Pallisander Room?
9.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1904/palisandermaybe6vf.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palisandermaybe6vf.jpg) 10.(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/745/palisander2lt.th.jpg) (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palisander2lt.jpg)

??
11.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4035/ma191223wk.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ma191223wk.jpg) 12.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5782/ot19068bx.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ot19068bx.jpg) 13.(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9387/otmadoor7fk.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otmadoor7fk.jpg)

Thanks for any help you can give!
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 12, 2006, 09:32:17 AM
1,2
3,4
5,6
7,8
9.10
11,12,13

1. Olga's room, AP
3. Mauve Boudoir, corner chair by the door.
5. AP
7,8 AP Children's classroom
10. Anya Vyroubova's house in TS
12,13 AP

Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 12, 2006, 10:11:02 AM
Marvelous! Thank you, Rob.  8)
(I've updated the original post to include your numbering scheme.)

Anyone know precisely which AP rooms appear in photos #5, 12, and 13?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on February 12, 2006, 10:24:01 AM
Photo 3 cannot be the mauve boudoir. See the wall hangings to the left of Anastasia.

Photo 9 was taken in the Old Palace of Livadia.

Photo 12 is not from the AP, it was taken in the children´s rooms of Lower Palace.

Photographs 7 and 8 cannot be the grand duchesses´ classroom at the AP. It reminds me of Livadia but cannot tell for sure without checking a couple of books.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on February 12, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
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Photo 3 cannot be the mauve boudoir. See the wall hangings to the left of Anastasia..

Photographs 7 and 8 cannot be the grand duchesses´ classroom at the AP. It reminds me of Livadia but cannot tell for sure without checking a couple of books.


Photo 3 is most certainly not the Mauve Room. The wallpaper behind Anastasia makes that clear. My guess would be the Crimson Room, as the Romanov Scrapbook on the main page places this photo on the second floor and the floral wallpaper is similar to that of the Crimson Room.

Photo 7 and 8 is also not at the AP. The decor is all wrong with the floral wallpaper and paneling. I would also agree that it is probably Livadia.

Photo 4 is in Olga and Tatiana's room. The chair that Marie is sitting on is prominently seen in this watercolor of O & T's room:
http://www.alexanderpalace.com/anastasia/maroom.html

Photo 5 was the sickroom at the AP. There's a similiar picture of Nicholas beside Tatiana there.

Photo 12 seems also like the Crimson Room, but the similarity between the wallpaper in Photo 3 and this one is questionable. Based on this image, I would say that it is the Crimson Room:
http://www.alexanderpalace.com/palace/images/crimsonrecpt.jpeg

Photo 13 is obviously of the Mauve Room. The flowers and decor of the doors and walls behind the girls' heads gives it away immediately.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on February 18, 2006, 10:42:19 AM
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(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/932/playroom7eh.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playroom7eh.jpg)
2. Also in the photo above, what are the railings/banisters in the foreground for?


It looks to me like the children are posing in front of the same railings in this shot:
(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9944/otmaashaved4wp.th.jpg) (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otmaashaved4wp.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Ortino on February 18, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
Wow, I think you're right Sarushka! :) I never noticed that before or the fact that they were kneeling on the floor. I always assumed that they were standing behind a curtain.....
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 19, 2006, 02:43:32 PM
I have one more to add. Let's call it photo #14:
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5342/naotma2pr1fm.th.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naotma2pr1fm.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 19, 2006, 02:58:23 PM
I beleive that 14 is Livadia.

Photo 13 is  the Mauve room, I should have noticed that earlier as the carpet is the dead give away.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Arleen on February 19, 2006, 04:03:51 PM
I think that picture 10 is wonderful.  I haven't seen such a smiling picture before.  Anna V. must have been taking the picture since it is in her home.

My question is:  who are the men sitting with the family? They seem like they are right at home in their midst.

Thank you,
Arleen
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on February 19, 2006, 06:31:12 PM
Photo 14 is at Livadia.

I don't know who the men are in photo 10, but they are definitely officers of some sort. Epaulettes and some type of distinctive markings on the sleeve are visible on the suit of the man beside Olga. Perhaps they are naval officers? The dark uniforms reminds me of the Navy, but I have no knowledge of Russian military uniforms....
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: lilianna on February 26, 2006, 06:04:00 AM
10.        the Photo is removed(taken off) at Anya's in the house. Together with Imperial family Nikolay Pavlovich Sablin sits at a table. That best friend who will betray them in the first day of revolution.

1.        Under doubt, that is Olga Nikolaevny's photo. It is very similar to young and young Irina Aleksandrovnu, daughter Xenia Aleksandrovny, of the native sister of Emperor. This girl has married prince Feliksa Jusupova. They are similar against each other, because cousines.

11. Slept 1912. A scene from performance of Moliere's the petty Bourgeois in nobility.

4.        the Photo after revolution. In an armchair - Maria Nikolaevna recovering after illness.
5.        the Photo of 1913. Tatyana Nikolaevna is sick a typhus.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 26, 2006, 08:33:07 AM
Thank you, liliana!  

As you can see above, some of the words didn't appear correctly. Were you trying to use Cyrillic characters? If you spell the Russsian words in Latin letters, we'll be able to read them.

Thanks again for your help,
Sarushka
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: matushka on February 26, 2006, 09:22:46 AM
Photo 11, at Livadia in august 1912 (indeed playing Le bourgeois gentilhomme in french, there is a letter of AF about this scene). But in which room?
No one answer about picture 6?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 26, 2006, 09:37:33 AM
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No one answer about picture 6?

I wonder if it's the sickrrom at the AP? The curtains look very similar to photo #5, and there's no other furniture in sight. Also, I don't know of another room in the AP in which there is no wallpaper or any photos/paintings on the walls. Here is photo #6 next to two others known to be the sickroom
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7921/alixolgainsickroom8zc.th.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alixolgainsickroom8zc.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/674/tatianatyphus7nl.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tatianatyphus7nl.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8524/tatiananiiinsickroom19138pm.th.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tatiananiiinsickroom19138pm.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 26, 2006, 09:50:09 AM
Slightly off-topic:  
Does anyone know *where* in the palace the sickroom was located?

From the stories of the children's bout with measles during the abdication, I know it must have been upstairs, in the private family wing, but it's not labeled on any of the palace plans I've seen.

On this plan, the only possible rooms are 5, 29, 34 (and perhaps 27 & 28 ).
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3908/apsecondfloorplanstyped3bg.th.jpg) (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apsecondfloorplanstyped3bg.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 26, 2006, 09:53:13 AM
The two men in photo 10 at Vyroubova's are both officers of the Standart. Sabline on the left and I believe Rodionov on the right. These two men were two of the closest friends to the IF of all of the Standart crew.


#6 obviously can't be the sick room. Look at the curtains, they don't match ones in the sick room photos.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 26, 2006, 10:10:39 AM
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#6 obviously can't be the sick room. Look at the curtains, they don't match ones in the sick room photos.

Oof! That'll teach me to look at thumbnails instead of full images... ::)

Does it look to you as if the curtains in photo #6 are framing a door, rather than a window?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 10:20:13 AM
Look at this picture,  it is a door  ;)

(http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_alol.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/alol.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 10:27:02 AM
The same room with Alexis (there is a bed on the right) :

(http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_alal.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/alal.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 10:48:29 AM
For me it can be the sick room, look at the place of the bed and the sofa in this one :

(http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_tal.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/tal.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 11:05:41 AM
A detail of the sofa in the picture with Alexandra and Alexis :

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/Copiedealal.jpg) (http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_alal3.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/alal3.jpg)

and a detail of the curtain in the picture with Tatiana and Alexis, it looks similar to me :

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/00234017.jpg) (http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_ta.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/ta.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 26, 2006, 11:05:46 AM
Bob says it is definately not the sick room. The fabric not matching is a dead giveaway. He says the photo #6 is room 5 on the plan (note that it is the only room on the upstairs side with a door in the middle of a wall, instead of on one end of the wall which #6 clearly shows.)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 11:43:18 AM
Do you talk about the plan of Sarushka ? There are windows you can see the light in the picture with Alexandra and Alexis and also with the one with Olga.
I don't see windows in the plan for the room 5  :-/
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: lilianna on February 26, 2006, 01:37:59 PM
10. Behind a table is exact Саблин. And the second officer not Родионов. Photo Родионова is in Anna Aleksandrovny Vyrubovoj's albums much.
11. Coordinates of a photo are taken from book Жильяра. There it(he) writes, they played what play.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on February 26, 2006, 03:24:28 PM
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Bob says it is definately not the sick room. The fabric not matching is a dead giveaway. He says the photo #6 is room 5 on the plan (note that it is the only room on the upstairs side with a door in the middle of a wall, instead of on one end of the wall which #6 clearly shows.)


If it's not the sickroom, then what else could it be? It was the only room on the second floor with a standard brass bed and it's visible in both the picture of Alexandra and Alexei and Alexandra and Olga. Also, as Helene pointed out, the fabric is almost identical.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 26, 2006, 05:39:07 PM
I can only tell you Bob looked at the photo and said "Its not the sick room. Its that other room upstairs. Go look on the plan, its that only room upstairs with the door in the middle of the wall..." ie: room 5.

Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 26, 2006, 10:16:46 PM
I don't think it is room 5, look at the picture with Alexandra and Alexis, you will see there are two windows (with sunbeams), and no windows on the plan for the room 5 :)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on February 27, 2006, 08:44:59 AM
Then it can ONLY be room 6, labelled "Girls' Dining room" as no other room has windows AND a door in the middle of a wall.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on February 27, 2006, 09:14:17 AM
The architectural features of the dining room make sense, but didn't the girls' dining room have patterned wallpaper?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on February 27, 2006, 04:29:19 PM
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The architectural features of the dining room make sense, but didn't the girls' dining room have patterned wallpaper?


Yes, it did. The furniture was also very different.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on February 27, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
A corner of the room, it is maybe a door behind the curtain on the left (just a speculation) ?

(http://photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_dn.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/dn.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on March 05, 2006, 05:46:20 PM
Here's a wider view of photo #7, thanks to matushka:
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9470/mashka190813tj.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mashka190813tj.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 08:03:23 PM
As Sarushka had indicated as a possibility, the sickroom may be #34 on the plan as the configuration matches closely with the various photographs i.e. Nicholas sitting at corner with window on one side and door covered by curtain; Alexandra on chaise lounge with door in background and stove in corner. Some of the photos may have been transposed when developed resulting in a right/left distortion of window/door placements. Also to consider is that the partioning of #33/34 created the setup to allow a maid to be near to assist during the night for the sick child.

Room #5 would have been the entry with stairs from the mezzanine floor allowing for very little width.

Joanna
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on March 06, 2006, 08:30:54 PM
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As Sarushka had indicated as a possibility, the sickroom may be #34 on the plan as the configuration matches closely with the various photographs i.e. Nicholas sitting at corner with window on one side and door covered by curtain; Alexandra on chaise lounge with door in background and stove in corner. Also some of the photos may have been transposed when developed resulting in a right/left discrepancy of windows/doors placement.

Room #5 would have been the entry with stairs from the mezzanine floor allowing for very little width.

Joanna


If it is #34, logistically speaking it seems an odd place to have a sickroom. I thought it would have been further off down the hall or near Alexei's rooms. There are two problems I see though with suggesting that it's room #34. The area, according to the layout, is divided into two rooms, with the stove in the first one and another room behind that one. In the sickroom pictures, the stove is clearly in the room. The door and window alignment doesn't seem to correspond with the pictures and there is also a door leading room #35 on the south wall that never seems to appear either. Out of curiosity, who made the key for the map that Sarushka provided?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 08:47:11 PM
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If it is #34, logistically speaking it seems an odd place to have a sickroom. I thought it would have been further off down the hall or near Alexei's rooms. There are two problems I see though with suggesting that it's room #34. The area, according to the layout, is divided into two rooms, with the stove in the first one and another room behind that one. In the sickroom pictures, the stove is clearly in the room. The door and window alignment seems to also be off in the second room--although it may just be me. Out of curiosity, who made the key for the map that Sarushka provided?


It is possible the sickroom would not have been placed near to Alexei's rooms for fear of contagion although in severe cases such as Anastasia's diptheria, she remained at the Lower Palace in Peterhof with Alexandra and the other children were removed to the Farm Palace.

Although the date of the plan may assist in identifying the sickroom, it is possible that the partial partitions dividing room 34 from the stove area may have been removed subsequent.

Joanna

Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on March 06, 2006, 08:51:15 PM
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It is possible the sickroom would not have been placed near to Alexei's rooms for fear of contagion although in severe cases such as Anastasia's diptheria, she remained at the Lower Palace in Peterhof with Alexandra and the other children were removed to the Farm Palace.

Although the date of the plan may assist in identifying the sickroom, it is possible that the partial partitions dividing room 34 from the stove area may have been removed subsequent.

Joanna



Hmmm, good point. I only thought of that after I posted. ::) I also noticed that there is probably another window in the room, making #34 not an option. If you look at the pictures of Alexandra sitting on that chaise posted earlier, it is noticable that there are streams of light coming in behind her. In any case, I think that it's #27, although the length of that room is questionable.  
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on March 06, 2006, 09:04:30 PM
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Out of curiosity, who made the key for the map that Sarushka provided?

Vladimir_V. posted the plans and key in October. They come from this book:
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All plans of the AP, that I’m going to post, were published in the book: Yakovlev V.I. The Alexander palace-museum in Detskoye Selo. Decoration.- Leningrad., 1928. The book consists of 560 pages and describes (all) rooms in the palace.


BobG. and I, among others, translated the room descriptions from the Russian text, and I believe Reco did the typed labeling of the plans, based on our translations.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 09:06:38 PM
It would be interesting to know the date that the sickroom was first used. If around c1910/1911 when Tatiana had typhus, then they may have utilized the entry part of room #33 to create a larger area for Alexandra to have a chaise lounge during the day when nursing but still allowing a separate partitioned room for the maid.

Room 27 opens to 28 which appears to be a passageway from the stairs to Alexei's reception area. This would have been a high traffic area for servants and/or shortcut for the right wing to the left wing upstairs/downstairs.

Joanna
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 09:12:37 PM
Although the plans were published by V.I. Yakovlev in 1928, it would be interesting to know the actual date and author of these drawings, possibly Meltzer.

Joanna
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on March 06, 2006, 09:14:22 PM
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It would be interesting to know the date that the sickroom was first used. If around c1910/1911 when Tatiana had typhus

I believe Tatiana contracted typhus during the tercentenary celebrations of 1913.  :)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 09:28:16 PM
Thanks Sarushka!

As we are relying on the Yale albums for identification of the sickroom, it would assist greatly to have access to the hundreds of interior photographs in the family albums at GARF.

Joanna
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Reco on March 06, 2006, 09:30:50 PM
The room # 34 is Aleksandra's Lady in Waiting on duty

(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8721/5panamesecondflooraiiiwing1a6q.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2006, 09:42:32 PM
Thanks Reco as I should have looked back at Vladimir's legend!

Just a consideration for discussion - This room would then have been set aside for the use of the on-duty Lady in Waiting during the day. For the short periods when required for use as a sickroom, it is possible that it may have been converted for a nurse/maid during the night to be near the sick child.

Joanna



Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on March 28, 2006, 08:52:45 AM
Are any of these classroom shots from the AP? (I'm guessing the bottom two are the most likely candidates...)

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/830/10008645it.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10008645it.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7255/1912015sw9kk.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1912015sw9kk.jpg)

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7893/alexeoandtutorpetrov0hb.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexeoandtutorpetrov0hb.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5836/romanov572lj.th.gif) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanov572lj.gif)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on April 01, 2006, 09:00:09 AM
And what about this room ?

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_1001458.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1001458.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on April 01, 2006, 12:33:48 PM
The bottom picture on the right is of Alexei's classroom while the bottom left one is either his classroom or at Livadia. I'm venturing a guess with the first two, but I believe that they might be at Spala. Alexei looks young enough in my opinion for it to be 1912.

I've never seen that picture before Helene and I honestly am at a loss as to where it was taken. If it's at the Alexander Palace, then it's certainly not the Mauve Room or the grand duchesses' Music Room. Perhaps it's Alexei's? The setting looks simple enough to be the children's quarters.....or maybe it's Livadia? I honestly don't know..... :-?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 01, 2006, 07:35:01 PM
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And what about this room ?

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_1001458.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1001458.jpg)
Could it possibly be Vyrubova's house?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on April 01, 2006, 08:02:53 PM
I can't see the picture....
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 01, 2006, 08:58:55 PM
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I can't see the picture....
It's the one Helene posted, of Alix at the piano. I don't know why the thumbnail doesn't show up in the quote...
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on April 01, 2006, 10:05:52 PM
Here it is an other view. There is someone next to the door, sadly I can see well the paints on the wall :

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_nicolas.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/nicolas.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on April 02, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
It looks like a border of grape vines if that's what you mean. I sadly still don't know where this is from.... :-/
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 04, 2006, 01:50:10 PM
I ran across that photo Helene posted of Alix playing the piano in the Yale albums last night. In the original album, it's pasted right in the middle of a whole series of photos taken at Anna Vyrubova's house. But when I look through my file of pictures of Anna's house, it doesn't seem to match anything. Not one of them shows a room with that grapevine border, and the only piano in the house seems to be the one visible in this photo, which is made of dark wood. Very odd...
(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/636/10013994ph.th.jpg) (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10013994ph.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 04, 2006, 02:21:58 PM
Never mind that last post -- it's not Vyrubova's house at all, I think it's the dacha at Peterhof!

Once again, here are the photos in question:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9503/10014583ps.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10014583ps.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3483/nicolas2tg.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nicolas2tg.jpg)

Now, look at the grapevines on the wall of Alix's reception room at Peterhof:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3196/afreceptionroom3uz.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afreceptionroom3uz.jpg)

And look at this nearly identical piano in Aleksei's reception room Peterhof:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4053/alekseireceptionroom1216x8603w.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alekseireceptionroom1216x8603w.jpg)

Finally, I've marked an identical piece of lattice-work in these two photos. The one of Maria was taken in Alix's reception room:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8210/nicolasmarked5pv.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nicolasmarked5pv.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6682/mariainafreceptionroommarked7a.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mariainafreceptionroommarked7a.jpg)

So, could this mystery-room be anything but a new view of Alix's reception room at the Peterhof dacha?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on April 04, 2006, 03:50:16 PM
I had a feeling that it might be the Dacha at Peterhof, but I wasn't sure. You're definitely right Sarushka--if you look in the mirror of the picture of Alix's reception room it's clear that the grape vine motifs are exactly the same. The furniture also fits. Good call Sarushka!  ;)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 04, 2006, 05:27:45 PM
Thanks! About time I got one right.  ;)

How about this room?
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/450/10018082lh.th.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10018082lh.jpg)(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4640/10013138ps.th.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10013138ps.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on April 04, 2006, 07:48:48 PM
I would say that it is the Lower Dacha again. The chair that Alexandra is sitting on has similiar lines to the furniture found in the Grand Duchesses' drawing room. The upholstery design is also very similiar to their furniture. I don't think that the photo was taken in their drawing room however--the grand duchesses' drawing room had wallpaper, not wood. I'd guess that it's just another room in the Lower Dacha.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 04, 2006, 09:18:42 PM
I KNOW I've seen that crazy leaf-patterned fabric somewhere, but I just can't place it... >:(
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: londo954 on April 04, 2006, 10:52:14 PM
the picture on the right looks like it was taken in the pallisander room or rosewood drawing room in the Alexander Palace  the highback chair can be seen in the other photos of he corner of the room that backs the Maple room  the other picture could be the opposit corner with the door that enteres the mauve drawing room. I am not so sure about the one on the right but i am 90 percent sure the one on the left is the rosewood drawing room. that photo is in anna v photo album at the yale library and it is grouped with other shots taken at the AP
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 04, 2006, 11:26:46 PM
Oh, londo, thanks for your help! Both photos are indeed the Pallisander room! You can tell by the circle-patterned carpet:
(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1910/familysittingarea2xc.th.jpg) (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=familysittingarea2xc.jpg)



Now, how about this one? Livadia?
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1868/10001831ee.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10001831ee.jpg)(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5630/10012977ah.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10012977ah.jpg)(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1938/10016330tj.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10016330tj.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: londo954 on April 05, 2006, 03:29:33 AM
The first two are either the lower dacha at peterhof or livadia for some reason teh last one looks like the empress on board the standart but i am probably wrong
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: tian79 on April 05, 2006, 05:20:44 AM
I'm pretty sure that the three pictures are the same room inLower Dacha, at least the wall paper seems to be the same in all.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: HAPSBURG on April 07, 2006, 10:02:06 AM
I think 9 + 10 were taken in the palisander room. They had one of those hideous "cozy corner" sofas from Maples there didnt they ? Also no 10 could have been at Livadia. once again a different cozy corner. She had one at Livadia as well. I have seen a very similar photograph in " Camera of the Tsars" .
No 12 could have been taken at the lower palace Alexandria Peterhof, as the chintz looks very similar to that in  A's rooms there.
13. Mauve room. Dark again.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helene on April 07, 2006, 12:12:25 PM
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Never mind that last post -- it's not Vyrubova's house at all, I think it's the dacha at Peterhof!

Once again, here are the photos in question:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9503/10014583ps.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10014583ps.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3483/nicolas2tg.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nicolas2tg.jpg)

Now, look at the grapevines on the wall of Alix's reception room at Peterhof:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3196/afreceptionroom3uz.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afreceptionroom3uz.jpg)

And look at this nearly identical piano in Aleksei's reception room Peterhof:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4053/alekseireceptionroom1216x8603w.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alekseireceptionroom1216x8603w.jpg)

Finally, I've marked an identical piece of lattice-work in these two photos. The one of Maria was taken in Alix's reception room:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8210/nicolasmarked5pv.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nicolasmarked5pv.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6682/mariainafreceptionroommarked7a.th.jpg) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mariainafreceptionroommarked7a.jpg)

So, could this mystery-room be anything but a new view of Alix's reception room at the Peterhof dacha?

Well done Sarushka  ;)

An other view of your room (http://www.livadia.org/ana/1901-1906/27.jpg)

In this formal shot, it is the same motif but not the same floor (http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/aotm1900_1.jpg)

It is exactly the same furniture in those pictures :

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_room.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/room.jpg)(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_1001297.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1001297.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on April 17, 2006, 01:04:11 PM
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(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/830/10008645it.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10008645it.jpg)

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7255/1912015sw9kk.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1912015sw9kk.jpg)

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7893/alexeoandtutorpetrov0hb.th.jpg) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexeoandtutorpetrov0hb.jpg)
The 3 photos quoted above were taken in Livadia. The wallpaper matches this photo, which is captioned "Livadia" in Russian.  :)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1963/scan00022pa.th.jpg) (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00022pa.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: BobAtchison on April 21, 2006, 09:10:43 PM
I love this discussion!  It's wonderful to see you detectives at work.  Do you all know much about Alexandra's Karelian Sitting Room in the Nizhni Dvoretz - I have seen a few pictures of it here and it really was a delightful room.  I am quite a fan of Karelian birch myself!  I have a copy of Alexander I's birch desk ifrom the Catherine Palace in my living room.  My dining room is mostly Karelian birch.  I tried to do some veneering myself with Karelian birch - it was a total disaster!!!!
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: BobAtchison on April 21, 2006, 09:20:37 PM
None of Alexandra's furniture came from Maples.  This is a myth that started when people confused the Maple Room with work an architect-decorator who worked for Maples in St. Petersburg did in the English suite of rooms in the right-hand wing.  he had formarly worked for Grand Duke Boris in Tsarskoe Selo and this is how Alexandra found him.

Even though there are no records I have seen that Alexandra bought any furniture from Maples in London they did buy furniture when they traveled abroad.  We know Nicholas purchased the Empire bed for their bedroom at the Winter Palace in England and that they made purchases of furniture in the Trier department store in Darmstadt.

Generally all the furiniture in their rooms eiither came from existing pieces in palaces or it was custom made by firmns like that run by Roman Meltzer's family in St. Petersburg.  Kiots and other religious oriented furniture was made by various masters who secialised in this craft.

There was other store bought furniture in the rooms.  The girls often received furniture as gifts from their relatives such as screens and sofas for their rooms.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: BobAtchison on April 21, 2006, 09:31:10 PM
You know I think the cozy corner in the Maple room is really beautiful with the cabinet above it.  I have seen the fabric, which came from Darmstadt and it's lovely.  The cozy corner in the Formal Reception Room is more than a bit odd (we have to blame Metzer for that!).  The none from Olga's room at Peterhof is very Victorian looking and quite small.  Then, of course, the members of thhe family were are all tiny.

No matter what they look like they are breathtakingly beautifully done, real masterpieces of furinture making.  Everything Meltzer did for the Romanovs was first-rate - the finest of its kind to be found in Europe or America.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: BobAtchison on April 21, 2006, 10:08:38 PM
The railings were a protected play area for younger children,  In 1902 the GDs were still quite young.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on April 21, 2006, 10:18:55 PM
Thank you, Bob!

How about this photo?
(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5836/romanov572lj.th.gif) (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanov572lj.gif)

It looks a bit like the playroom to me, but I can't see anything that I can ID as the AP.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: BobAtchison on April 21, 2006, 10:23:40 PM
Yes that's the playroom - I have other pictures of that table in there.  He and Petrov are having lunch.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on April 21, 2006, 10:27:26 PM
Wonderful -- thank you again!

Do you know of any photos of Aleksei's classroom at the AP? I've only seen one watercolor, and I've had a hard time making sense of the layout.

It seems to me I started a thread about this somewhere. I'll try to dig up the link...
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: BobAtchison on April 22, 2006, 11:49:46 AM
Yes I do - I'll put it up later today in the site.  It used to be up, but for some reason it came down.

Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: BobAtchison on April 22, 2006, 12:04:51 PM
It's back up with the two images I have.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on April 22, 2006, 02:59:22 PM
Thank you, Bob!

This is the other watercolor of Aleksei's classroom. Unfortunately, it's divided over two pages in Toys of the Tsar's Children, and I haven't found a way to scan or photograph it clearly without breaking the book in half. You're welcome to post it on the Time Machine, but I sure won't be offended if you don't think the quality doesn't measure up!
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1824/10033922an.th.jpg) (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10033922an.jpg)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on June 17, 2006, 09:45:58 PM
Here's another mystery...

This photo is captioned in Nikolai II, by Bokhanov, as "Empress Aleksandra Fyodorovna in her study in the Alexander Palace:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_aleksandrovskii.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/aleksandrovskii.jpg)

But it sure doesn't look like the AP to me. The wall paper reminds me of Peterhof, but I'm really not certain at all. Anyone care to hazard a guess?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 17, 2006, 09:55:49 PM
The "New Palace" [now ruins] in Alexandria Park, Petrehof  perhaps ?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Ortino on June 17, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
I would agree that it doesn't look like the Alexander Palace. The furniture seems a bit heavy. The wallpaper does look like Peterhof, but I don't recognize the pattern. I would guess that it's Peterhof.
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Nemos on January 09, 2007, 02:31:51 PM
Has bought for 120! Roubles 3 releases of the almanac " the Last days " for 1917. Diary Virubovoy. Has seen photos of game and class rooms of the fellow-heir in Aleksandrovsk a palace. 3 releases the most interesting Are a pity only is absent.

http://pushkin-history.info/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=26&func=viewcategory&catid=101
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Sarushka on January 09, 2007, 02:50:16 PM
Has bought for 120! Roubles 3 releases of the almanac " the Last days " for 1917. Diary Virubovoy. Has seen photos of game and class rooms of the fellow-heir in Aleksandrovsk a palace. 3 releases the most interesting Are a pity only is absent.

http://pushkin-history.info/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=26&func=viewcategory&catid=101

Geglov --

Ochen bolshoi spasibo. Otlichno fotografi!
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Nemos on January 09, 2007, 03:47:06 PM
Only not 1917, but 1927 of the almanac.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on May 11, 2007, 11:51:35 PM

I'm wondering if this photo might have been taken in Aleksei's bedroom at the AP:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Aleksei/vlccap1122yk2.jpg)

He's sitting in bed, and it looks as though there's a large stove/fireplace on the wall behind him. That and the windows on his left seem to match the layout of his bedroom in this plan:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_APSecondFloorPlanstyped.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/APSecondFloorPlanstyped.jpg)


Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on May 12, 2007, 12:00:40 AM
Slightly off-topic:  
Does anyone know *where* in the palace the sickroom was located?

From the stories of the children's bout with measles during the abdication, I know it must have been upstairs, in the private family wing, but it's not labeled on any of the palace plans I've seen.

Another clue to the whereabouts of the sickroom:
March 26 Tatiana is sick with typhus. "...I have been isolated from my sisters and I live here with Shura in the room situated between the playroom and Sonya Orbeliani's one. While I am ill Mother comes to see me every day between 2 and 5 p.m..."

(from Tatiana's letters on the main APTM site)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Alibubba on June 13, 2007, 08:08:29 PM
Hello!
  I've been trying to figure out the location of the sick room for a long time, and I have an idea (probably feeble, but what the heck...).  First, I noticed in a photo of Alexei's bedroom showing his dressing table between the windows, that the curtains look like the ones in the sick room. I got to thinking: I believe that his rooms were remodeled late (1916?). If you look at room 16 & 17 on the plan---his bath and cinema---and take out the bathroom and look at it as one big room, then the configuration is correct for the sick room. The door midway on the long wall, the stove in the corner, and the window and door in the opposite corner, where there is a picture of Nicholas sitting by the sick bed.  What I wondered is, could that have been the sickroom, and then changed in the final remodel of Alexei's rooms?
  I hope that I make some sense---just an idea, anyhow!   ::)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: gleb on February 24, 2008, 11:11:09 AM
Hello!
  I've been trying to figure out the location of the sick room for a long time, and I have an idea (probably feeble, but what the heck...).  First, I noticed in a photo of Alexei's bedroom showing his dressing table between the windows, that the curtains look like the ones in the sick room. I got to thinking: I believe that his rooms were remodeled late (1916?). If you look at room 16 & 17 on the plan---his bath and cinema---and take out the bathroom and look at it as one big room, then the configuration is correct for the sick room. The door midway on the long wall, the stove in the corner, and the window and door in the opposite corner, where there is a picture of Nicholas sitting by the sick bed.  What I wondered is, could that have been the sickroom, and then changed in the final remodel of Alexei's rooms?
  I hope that I make some sense---just an idea, anyhow!   ::)

I think your idea is very good! To my opinion the sick room can only be room 16 and 17 OR room number 60, in the opposite wing. In this room everything is where it should be according to all the photos we have seen. It was a sick room so it had to be conveniently far from the girls' rooms.

Tell me what you think.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on February 25, 2008, 07:17:43 PM
Although #16-17 was remodeled in 1916, I still do not think that Alexandra would have had the sickroom near to Alexei's bedroom which would have been in that corner area c1913 when Tatiana had typhus. I believe Gleb your idea of #60 is a possibility. Benckendorf had a suite in the Lyceum and would have used it as a waiting-room. It would have been an oft experienced process for palace servants to convert a room for a short timeframe and then to revert to its normal use.

Joanna
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: Joanna on August 04, 2008, 03:46:02 PM
Interesting article on the discovery of the puppets theatre belonging to Alexei. The inventory numbers were the initial clue and then close examination of the puppets:

 http://stanislavsky.ng.ru/object/2007-10-01/42_dolls.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Is this the playroom?
Post by: nena on August 04, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
Joanna, it is very interesting find--thanks! Never seen these dolls.  :-*
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Clemence on August 18, 2009, 03:05:18 PM
None of Alexandra's furniture came from Maples.  This is a myth that started when people confused the Maple Room with work an architect-decorator who worked for Maples in St. Petersburg did in the English suite of rooms in the right-hand wing.  he had formarly worked for Grand Duke Boris in Tsarskoe Selo and this is how Alexandra found him.

Even though there are no records I have seen that Alexandra bought any furniture from Maples in London they did buy furniture when they traveled abroad.  We know Nicholas purchased the Empire bed for their bedroom at the Winter Palace in England and that they made purchases of furniture in the Trier department store in Darmstadt.

Generally all the furiniture in their rooms eiither came from existing pieces in palaces or it was custom made by firmns like that run by Roman Meltzer's family in St. Petersburg.  Kiots and other religious oriented furniture was made by various masters who secialised in this craft.

There was other store bought furniture in the rooms.  The girls often received furniture as gifts from their relatives such as screens and sofas for their rooms.

I think Gregg King in his book on Alix remarked how she got much of her furniture from Maples in London ... but it's ages since I last read the book so maybe I'm wrong on this?
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: EmmyLee on September 13, 2013, 02:46:52 PM
Any idea what room this is and what palace it was located in?

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/For%20Forum/th_1569_zps53247903.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/visga/media/For%20Forum/1569_zps53247903.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Michael HR on September 14, 2013, 05:46:55 AM
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And what about this room ?

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_1001458.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1001458.jpg)
Could it possibly be Vyrubova's house?

I think this is the Mauve room as it had a piano at an angle to the door through to the bedrooms
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on September 14, 2013, 08:59:21 AM
Any idea what room this is and what palace it was located in?

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/For%20Forum/th_1569_zps53247903.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/visga/media/For%20Forum/1569_zps53247903.jpg.html)

Catherine Palace.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Forum Admin on September 14, 2013, 09:01:15 AM
None of Alexandra's furniture came from Maples.  This is a myth that started when people confused the Maple Room with work an architect-decorator who worked for Maples in St. Petersburg did in the English suite of rooms in the right-hand wing.  he had formarly worked for Grand Duke Boris in Tsarskoe Selo and this is how Alexandra found him.

Even though there are no records I have seen that Alexandra bought any furniture from Maples in London they did buy furniture when they traveled abroad.  We know Nicholas purchased the Empire bed for their bedroom at the Winter Palace in England and that they made purchases of furniture in the Trier department store in Darmstadt.

Generally all the furiniture in their rooms eiither came from existing pieces in palaces or it was custom made by firmns like that run by Roman Meltzer's family in St. Petersburg.  Kiots and other religious oriented furniture was made by various masters who secialised in this craft.

There was other store bought furniture in the rooms.  The girls often received furniture as gifts from their relatives such as screens and sofas for their rooms.

I think Gregg King in his book on Alix remarked how she got much of her furniture from Maples in London ... but it's ages since I last read the book so maybe I'm wrong on this?

We have been in contact with the Maple Firm archives.  Bob is still quite correct.  The only room in the Alexander Palace which had Maple's furniture (and designed by them) was the "English Suite".
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Joanna on September 14, 2013, 01:25:27 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/For%20Forum/th_1569_zps53247903.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/visga/media/For%20Forum/1569_zps53247903.jpg.html)

My thoughts - as the photo is part of the Hessen Staatsarchiv, the room was probably in Bialowieza when GD Ernst visited Poland c1903. Skierniewice’s décor was classical from period of GD Konstantin Pavlovich 1820s and Spala had a simpler hunting lodge interior.

The wainscoting is similar to Nicholas’ rooms in Bialowieza when Tsarevich. Another clue to the time frame is the painting of Alexandra. Nicholas loved it and most likely had it replicated to hang in Bialowieza similar to Franz Kruger’s paintings of AI and NI that were distributed to various palaces, etc. The furniture style feels “hunting lodge”.

It would be fantastic to see the photo albums belonging to the Imperial Family for the year 1903.

Joanna
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Katya_C on September 14, 2013, 01:36:55 PM
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And what about this room ?

(http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/th_1001458.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1001458.jpg)
Could it possibly be Vyrubova's house?

I think this is the Mauve room as it had a piano at an angle to the door through to the bedrooms

Empress Alexandra playing the piano in her reception room in the Lower Dacha, Peterhof, 1910

Katya
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: EmmyLee on September 16, 2013, 10:28:24 PM
Interesting to have differing opinions on the photo I posted. Thanks for your input, FA and Joanna. I agree that the furniture seems more fitted to a hunting lodge than the Catherine Palace, at least the furniture I've seen from the palace.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Helen on September 22, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
According to the database of the State Archive in Darmstadt, the photo shows a room at the Garde-Kavallerie Klub in Berlin.
(The 2nd Guards Dragoons of the 3rd Guards Cavalry Brigade of the German Empire was the regiment of Empress Alexandra of Russia.)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: EmmyLee on September 22, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
That would explain her portrait then!
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Bryndis on October 11, 2014, 06:28:53 PM
Does anyone know?

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/maybe_zpsf3aeb5ab.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/maybe_zpsf3aeb5ab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on October 12, 2014, 07:52:16 AM
My best guess is the Maple room. Or the Palisander room. The upholstery looks most like the Maple room to me, but I can't match that sofa with known furniture in either room. There are a number of photos of Alexandra posing in the Maple room in that dress.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Bryndis on October 14, 2014, 11:30:24 PM
My best guess is the Maple room. Or the Palisander room. The upholstery looks most like the Maple room to me, but I can't match that sofa with known furniture in either room. There are a number of photos of Alexandra posing in the Maple room in that dress.

Yeah.
My first thought was that the photo is taken under the balcony area in the Maple room but looking at other photos I'm not really sure. I see no connection.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Katya_C on October 15, 2014, 01:44:39 AM
My best guess is the Maple room. Or the Palisander room. The upholstery looks most like the Maple room to me, but I can't match that sofa with known furniture in either room. There are a number of photos of Alexandra posing in the Maple room in that dress.

Yeah.
My first thought was that the photo is taken under the balcony area in the Maple room but looking at other photos I'm not really sure. I see no connection.

I have it cataloged as "Empress Alexandra in the Mauve Boudoir of Alexander Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, 1909." I don't remember where that description came from but it has always been a reliable source in the past.

Katya
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Sarushka on October 15, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
I have it cataloged as "Empress Alexandra in the Mauve Boudoir of Alexander Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, 1909." I don't remember where that description came from but it has always been a reliable source in the past.

I had a second look, and I don't think it can be the Mauve Boudoir. The empress's boudoir had striped fabric on the walls, and very light woodwork. The room in question has solid-colored walls and very dark paneling.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Katya_C on October 15, 2014, 12:11:06 PM
I have it cataloged as "Empress Alexandra in the Mauve Boudoir of Alexander Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, 1909." I don't remember where that description came from but it has always been a reliable source in the past.

I had a second look, and I don't think it can be the Mauve Boudoir. The empress's boudoir had striped fabric on the walls, and very light woodwork. The room in question has solid-colored walls and very dark paneling.

You're quite right. The photo is rather dark and I couldn't really ID the room myself. I was going by the description from a formerly reliable source whose name I can't even remember right now.

Thanks,

Katya
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: mishaxenia on April 19, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Hi, please, this is a bed room of the palace ? photo from anna vyrubova's album ( Beinecke , yale university) Thanks for your help

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/misha311/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/misha311/media/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: Katya_C on April 20, 2018, 07:18:19 AM
Hi, please, this is a bed room of the palace ? photo from anna vyrubova's album ( Beinecke , yale university) Thanks for your help

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/misha311/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/misha311/media/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg.html)

It's Empress Alexandra's boudoir with icons, chintz and wicker furniture on the Imperial yacht Standart. Page 23, Album No. 2, photo #00134008

Katya C.
Title: Re: Help ID-ing various rooms
Post by: mishaxenia on April 21, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
Many thanks !!!
Hi, please, this is a bed room of the palace ? photo from anna vyrubova's album ( Beinecke , yale university) Thanks for your help

(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/misha311/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/misha311/media/10629148_zps9avugznz.jpg.html)

It's Empress Alexandra's boudoir with icons, chintz and wicker furniture on the Imperial yacht Standart. Page 23, Album No. 2, photo #00134008

Katya C.