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Discussions about Russian History => Imperial Succession and the Throne => Topic started by: Marie Valerie on April 28, 2011, 09:23:23 AM

Title: Verzichtserklärung of Grand Duchesses
Post by: Marie Valerie on April 28, 2011, 09:23:23 AM
Had a Russian Grand duchess ever signed a Verzichtserklärung "disclaime or renounce of her and her children's rights" in the line/order of succession of the russian throne?

Many german/austrian Princesses or Archduchesses had to sign such a treaty to gain permission for marriage,
so if the russian Grand Duchesses had not disclaimed or renounced their rights, they and their children are in the line of succession.



Your    opinion?
Title: Re: Verzichtserklärung of Grand Duchesses
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 29, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
I'm not sure it was called by that name, but both Princess Tatiana Constantinova and Princess Irina Alexandrovna renounced their rights to succeed to the throne prior to their marriage which took place prior to WWI.
Title: Re: Verzichtserklärung of Grand Duchesses
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on September 07, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
I believe that the question is getting at whether or not the children of Grand-Duchesses who married equally outside the family would be allowed to succeed.  Yes, this would be the case if all the descendant in question were Orthodox, or willing to accept Orthodoxy.  If they already occupied a throne and that throne was tied to a particula confession. they would have to renounce that throne.  This is exactly how the house of Holstein came to the throne with the accession of Peter III. (Though none of these Pauline laws were in place yet).
Title: Re: Verzichtserklärung of Grand Duchesses
Post by: NickNicholsonNYC on September 07, 2013, 02:59:28 PM
Further, unlike a Verzichtserklärung, there is no need to additionally abdicate on behalf of your children or further issue.  In russia, a marriage of unequal birth immediately disqualifies the issue.