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Title: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 03, 2012, 02:31:41 PM
http://www.silverwoodbooks.co.uk/product/9781781320358/road-to-ekaterinburg
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Rodney_G. on December 03, 2012, 04:40:11 PM
Could be good; I'm hoping. I'm hooked by the subject certainly but the basic info leaves a lot to be desired. In fact I've probably  got my hopes up too high .
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Alixz on December 03, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
It does look tempting.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Georgiy on December 04, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
Postage is very expensive though... :(
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen on December 04, 2012, 02:33:34 AM
Tempting indeed!
Isn't E.C.S. Banks the same author who said that she had access to OTMA's diaries and letters and annouced a series of no less than seven books about OTMA about a year and a half ago?
The delivery costs are high, but the site also says that many of their titles are also available from the British Amazon site, with more modest shipping costs.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Sarushka on December 04, 2012, 07:52:42 AM
There's no way I can say this without sounding snotty, but $62USD for a vanity-published book by an unknown author? That's a risk I'm not sure I can afford to take. I've been disappointed by this scenario once too often in the past.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Ilana on December 04, 2012, 09:29:49 AM
I will wait for Helen's book.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: edubs31 on December 04, 2012, 11:15:10 AM
I'm intrigued as well, but this type of book falls under the category of..."Would buy it for less on Kindle if it were to be available on there, and even then only after it received some very good feedback from those whose opinions I value..."

That said I hope it does well and will place on it my list of future considerations...

Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on December 04, 2012, 08:38:38 PM
I contacted the publisher to complain about the postage.(  It's 2x the cost of the book) They explained it's a 500 page book sent air mail from the UK and so the killing postage. I'm hoping some US fulfillment house is engaged at some point or Amazon UK utilized . 
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 05, 2012, 11:53:07 AM
Hopefully it will be available through Amazon eventually.. You would think that would be in their interest, in order to sell more books? I think Laura Mabee mentioned she will get it and post her review.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Suzanne on December 05, 2012, 12:36:55 PM
The author is sadly not providing review copies :-(
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 05, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
Tempting indeed!
Isn't E.C.S. Banks the same author who said that she had access to OTMA's diaries and letters and annouced a series of no less than seven books about OTMA about a year and a half ago?
The delivery costs are high, but the site also says that many of their titles are also available from the British Amazon site, with more modest shipping costs.

I don't think it's the same author, Helen... Where was this announced?
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen on December 05, 2012, 04:21:45 PM
Good question.  ;D I've searched my old messages, and it appears that it was forum member Teddy who brought the other book, or series of books, to my attention in May 2011. He sent me a link to an announcement on the Internet, that included the exact same initials and family name as those of the author of this new book: http://www.ecsbanks.co.uk/ (the page does not exist anymore).

A search of the AP forum contents for "ECSBanks" results in two hits:  
one from September 2011 at http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16536.msg484089#msg484089,
and one older post from 2009 at http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=12290.msg389739#msg389739.
Apparently, ECS Banks is AP forum member "torchwoodOTMA".

 
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: koloagirl on December 05, 2012, 06:08:17 PM

Aloha!

I was all excited about this too - for about 5 minutes!  The fact that I know next-to-nothing about the author, there is very little information given on the book - and
the sky-high costs of purchasing it here in the U.S. - all facts that made me say - "I think I'll wait for Amazon to get it" - or at least until someone here gives it a glowing
recommendation that would warrant putting out that kind of $$.

Janet R.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 06, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
Good question.  ;D I've searched my old messages, and it appears that it was forum member Teddy who brought the other book, or series of books, to my attention in May 2011. He sent me a link to an announcement on the Internet, that included the exact same initials and family name as those of the author of this new book: http://www.ecsbanks.co.uk/ (the page does not exist anymore).

A search of the AP forum contents for "ECSBanks" results in two hits:  
one from September 2011 at http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16536.msg484089#msg484089,
and one older post from 2009 at http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=12290.msg389739#msg389739.
Apparently, ECS Banks is AP forum member "torchwoodOTMA".

Interesting. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 06, 2012, 09:46:07 AM
I totally forgot myself that I posted it and what it said! LOL
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Alixz on December 06, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
I never even looked at the s/h price. It is "sky high". Good to wait, I think.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on December 06, 2012, 11:01:58 PM
The postage has gone way  down...there's a surface mail  option now
for the US ( thank god lol ) and I'm waiting for  my copy. I'll post about it went it gets here
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: koloagirl on December 09, 2012, 01:28:16 PM

Aloha!

Yes, I see that now the shipping charges are 13 pounds - that is lower than they were earlier last week when I checked (I think they were 20 some odd pounds) - but at over $30 US for
this book, I think I'll still wait until someone reports back here on it - I'd like to know if it is a worthwhile read or not.

Interesting that they've dropped the shipping price down.....

Janet R.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on December 11, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
From what I can gather, the publisher thought people would not want to wait for the 50 days ground postage would mean... so offered air mail  only for this 500 page book. But after complaints about the air mail  postage price $ ( mine included) , I believe they realized  offering surface postage was a must . Thankfully they have that option now.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen on December 11, 2012, 12:39:35 PM
From what I can gather, the publisher thought people would not want to wait for the 50 days ground postage would mean... so offered air mail  only for this 500 page book. But after complaints about the air mail  postage price $ ( mine included) , I believe they realized  offering surface postage was a must . Thankfully they have that option now.
The option of surface postage seems available for the US, but it's not available for Western European countries, for which delivery costs are still higher than the price of the book.
For some reason they're also three times as high as the postage to send the same parcel in the opposite direction, from my country to the publisher's in the UK.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on December 28, 2012, 01:10:12 AM
Helen, surface postage to Europe is now available and I believe a kindle editions is upcoming so  that will make the postage question moot, thankfully!

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I got my copy and I'm favorably impressed. The writing is unusual in that the author has seemingly brought together all known letters, diaries and memories  when describing an event or day.  A fuller than usual picture of a day is therefore created. These source materials are paraphrased and the so story is woven. I'm use to one source being used, what an author feels is the most important, not all. More dots get connected for the Romanov  reader .

 Physically it's large book, but feels well in the hand while reading...type is good size too! Unusual today. Blissfully there is a large,  well written who's who in the back.  I'd say it's a fine addition to one's Romanov library
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen on December 28, 2012, 01:38:50 AM
Thank you for the information, blessOTMA. I look forward to reading the book. :)
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Sarushka on December 28, 2012, 08:06:05 AM
I've not seen the book yet myself, so I'm relying on reports from other Romanov readers. I'm puzzled by this statement from the intro:

'This is a work written as a novel but one that includes the facts. Unlike most academics, I do not intend to throw facts at the unfortunate reader and expect them to work out the story for themselves.'

Is the text clearly footnoted so we can sort out fact from whatever novel-like elements Banks has chosen to include?
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: helenrappaport on December 29, 2012, 05:46:10 AM
I have a copy of ECS Banks's book and can tell you this much.

With regard to the  material and its provenance: in the opening paragraph of her Acknowledgements, the author states: 'These books are factual and not in any way fictional', then a sentence later she contradicts herself by saying 'the words are entirely mine, but it is their story told by myself'….. Then she further compounds the sense of confusion by stating: 'This is a work written as a novel but one that includes the facts.   Unlike most academics, I do not intend to throw facts at the unfortunate reader and expect them to work out the story for themselves…'.
The book has been published by a vanity imprint and  has no editorial apparatus: no list of contents, no list of illustrations - a handful of photos are included (from Yale according to the author) and are nothing new. There are also some poor quality amateur shots of Livadia.
The book has no endnotes but it does have a  lengthy, and  rather haphazard 'Appendix' cum glossary, the contents of which are highly eclectic, and which intermittently has some interesting snippets of information but with no indication of where  any of this information comes from.  I suspect well-read Romanov watchers will be able to deduce some of these sources, as I have.
As far as a bibliography is concerned,  the book has nothing approaching the normal scholarly bibliography one would wishe for. Instead it has a list of about 30 titles on p. 507 at the back, under the heading 'Sources' , giving only the name and title, i.e.  no place of publication, publisher, editor where relevant,  or date - and in many cases not even that.
One example may suffice as an indicator. The author lists  as a source: "Sisters of Mercy, Valentina Chebotareva". As we all know, this still untranslated Russian book, Avgusteishie sestry miloserdiya was edited by N K  Zvereva, and the Chebotareva diary, also not yet translated into English, appears in selected excerpts, again in a Russian language source, Skorbnyi angel edited by Sergey Fomin. There is therefore no such English title by this name or this author.
In her Acknowledgements the author mysteriously states :    'My final thanks are to my translator who wished to remain anonymous: the late 'Emma' R.'  This kind of  secrecy does not exactly help legitimize the book, or what appears to be the author's extensive and uncredited use of material - be it translated from Russian, in English, archival, private information, copyright or otherwise.  It is clear that she has drawn on  many, many more books and documents than are in her  list of sources. 
As regards the book as a whole, it is not for me to pass judgment here; the quality of the writing is self-evident.  With regard to the content, I can only suggest readers compare it with  the available sources in English and Russian of the diaries and letters of OTMA during 1913–1917, as well as the letters and diaries of N&A. There is no mention anywhere as to whether what seems to be extensive paraphrasing of these was sourced archivally – i.e. directly from GARF - or via previously published  sources.
There are many missing words, mis-transliterations and typos even in what little I have looked at so far and an enormous amount of repetition.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on December 29, 2012, 06:30:44 AM
I've not seen the book yet myself, so I'm relying on reports from other Romanov readers. I'm puzzled by this statement from the intro:

'This is a work written as a novel but one that includes the facts. Unlike most academics, I do not intend to throw facts at the unfortunate reader and expect them to work out the story for themselves.'

Is the text clearly footnoted so we can sort out fact from whatever novel-like elements Banks has chosen to include?

the book has only facts, nothing is made up. What  I believe the author means there it is written in
 the style of a novel ...that is,   be assessable...from the forward it's clear they wanted teenagers as well as the adult reader
 to be able to read and understand..

I've typed some here to illustrate

That day Tatiana mentioned a couple of Russian dancers she had seen in a letter
to her father. They had been at a concert at Marie and Anastasia’s hospital and two men
of small stature had danced, one dressed as a woman. The twin brothers were aged
twenty-five, she explained. She remarked that they were full of pity for the men.

The sisters were sitting at the back as they usually did, with the wounded in front. They
wanted to introduce the dancers to the Grand Duchesses but the men were unable
to reach the back of the room easily past the vast crowd of soldiers, so some of the
wounded lifted the men onto their shoulders and handed them to the back of the room.

That day Olga and Tatiana had returned to their infirmary as usual and later hammocks
had been hung outside for the men. Later, the violinist Kasyanov performed again at
the hospital and some of the men sang. (The infirmary was becoming an impromptu
music hall in the evenings.)


I actually  think it gets better as the author has less source material  to work with
 later ...but thier aim seems to be to incorporate all known sources into the text .

There are no footnotes per say. In the forward where they mention the novel like approach,
it also says the book is for the fans more than the academics....

 A " footnote" so to speak ,happens when they write something like
 this , "Tatiana mentioned a couple of Russian dancers...". The person imparting
the information is usually sited in that manner and  from what I can tell, a full list of the sources is included in the back

I actually  think it gets better as the author has less source material  to work with later ...but thier aim
seems to be to incorporate all known sources into the text.
 
Helen R I can't answer alot of your points...I'm cut from the fan cloth .
But indeed  there is a good deal of repetition in the part about thier royal lives, which reflects that life.
In a sense the reader experiences it as they did lol
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 03, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Oh ok, I didn't realize it was in a novel like format... I guess that could be interesting as long as sources are accurate. I think worth reading.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 03, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
I just realized there are three Helens commenting on this thread. That could get confusing LOL
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on January 12, 2013, 12:10:54 PM
Thankfully the Kindle Edition is up and the postage question is moot lol

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Ekaterinburg-Alexandras-Daughters-ebook/dp/B00AYIAU94/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1358013125&sr=1-2


[edit by Sarushka: Link was for paperback edition; I switched it to Kindle.]
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Sarushka on January 13, 2013, 09:59:04 AM
I'm glad Amazon made a sample available. I read about 25% of it before deciding this is not a book for me.

I find the characterizations disappointingly broad, and judging from the introduction I think the author may be making a number of assumptions about the characters without substantial basis. For example, the story of Olga Alexandrovna being "enraged" by a little girl asking if she were a princess. In Vorres's book, where the anecdote originates, Olga A. replies "firmly" to the child's question -- there's no indication of Olga showing her temper.

I'm also frustrated by the lack of firm dates. It seems clear that Banks is working from diaries and letters (which the IF always clearly dated) but aside from the chapter headings of "Spring 1913" it's almost impossible to nail down precisely when the events she details happened. The majority of time indicators are things like "One Friday" or "the next Monday."

Similarly, I'm disappointed that the imperial family's own words are virtually never quoted. In skimming the remainder of the sample, I didn't find a single instance of one of the IF being quoted directly. The IF's diaries are notoriously bland on their own, but at least there's the consolation of knowing you're reading their original words and thoughts. Here, even that aspect is missing.

It wouldn't be fair to call this a rehash, but it's not the OTMA non-fiction treatment I've been hoping for. Basically, it appears that the family's diaries and letters have been integrated into a continuous narrative depicting the day-by-day events of the girls' lives.

If you simply want to know what OTMA did on a daily basis I can just about guarantee you'll enjoy Road to Ekaterinburg. However, if you want to know what the GDss thought and felt, how they expressed themselves, and crave more insight into the subtleties of their personalities, you probably won't find this book any more satisfying than what's already available.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Sarushka on January 13, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
I've not seen the book yet myself, so I'm relying on reports from other Romanov readers. I'm puzzled by this statement from the intro:

'This is a work written as a novel but one that includes the facts. Unlike most academics, I do not intend to throw facts at the unfortunate reader and expect them to work out the story for themselves.'

Is the text clearly footnoted so we can sort out fact from whatever novel-like elements Banks has chosen to include?

Now that I've read a little of the book, I think Banks does herself something of a disservice in describing her book as "written like a novel." It sounds off-putting to those with a scholarly approach to the Romanovs, but much to my relief there appears to be nothing deliberately invented -- no plot, no dialog, no scenes concocted for dramatic purposes, etc. I didn't spot anything I'd categorize as fictionalization in the sample. It's really just narrative non-fiction. Unfortunately, the lack of source notes is going to severely limit its usefulness where researchers are concerned.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on January 16, 2013, 12:46:48 PM
Now that I've read a little of the book, I think Banks does herself something of a disservice in describing her book as "written like a novel."
I quite agree . In this sound bite age, the word should never appear in the book . It would be latched on to and is confusing
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It sounds off-putting to those with a scholarly approach to the Romanovs, but much to my relief there appears to be nothing deliberately invented -- no plot, no dialog, no scenes concocted for dramatic purposes, etc
Indeed.  I've  read the book and its point it seems to me,  is to gather everything that is known to have  happened on a particularly day or time,  from all known sources and put them together in one place. ...it's funny the word "novel " crops up because it's actually an anti novel.

Usually a historical author picks and chooses what they deemed the most important of historical events or facts  , to create a narrative flow.  I find the  method of this book an interesting addition to the usual treatment. There is no picking of some facts ...there is  the presenting all facts.
Being an artist , I notice patterns. When all of what is know of a particular day in the Romanov's lives  is put together ,  it makes for enlightening  reading, even though I have read much of the material else where in, what now appears, as pieces. 
 
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Georgiy on January 16, 2013, 11:03:54 PM
I'm finding it interesting too - if a bit of a trudge! Getting through it bit by bit. Find a few mistakes here and there, such as parents not allowed to attend baptisms - I strongly suspect that at the baptisms in question, it was less than 40 days since the Empress gave birth, and thus she would be unable to attend Church, and maybe the Tsar stayed away to be with her.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Kalafrana on January 17, 2013, 02:34:21 AM
It does seem to be Orthodox custom that the parents don't attend the baptism. It seems rather odd to me, though in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, under which I was baptised, the parents have no particular role - the vows are made by the godparents. Things have now changed in the Church of England, so that the vows are made by the parents and godparents together.

Going slightly off-topic, whereabout is the font in Orthodox churches. I have been in a couple of Orthodox churches, and gone looking for the font specifically to see how big it is, given that their baptism involves total immersion, but couldn't find it.

Ann
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Georgiy on January 17, 2013, 03:55:43 AM
Yes, the Godparents do the vows in the Orthodox Church. We attended our childrens' baptisms, as is normal in the Orthodox Church, except for the last child, it was within 40 days of giving birth, and so my wife stayed in the corridor and didn't come into Church. Everyone I know has the parents at Church, and it is a ROCOR (thus very traditional) Orthodox Church.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: koloagirl on January 17, 2013, 04:42:19 PM

Aloha!

Glad that the Kindle edition came up finally....I figured for $9.99 I could give it a go....just started it today and pretty much as others have said....nothing new and not written as a novel, which I think is a good thing personally.

But I'm enjoying it, even though it isn't telling me anything that I haven't already read elsewhere, and with a few inconsistencies as well.

I'll have to finish it before I decide if I'll purchase the paperback when it does come out on Amazon here in the U.S. ......I'm already got so many Romanov books that I have to pull a book out of the bookshelf and stash it in my secondary cabinet in order to put another one in....so it has to be worthy!  LOL

Janet R.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: TennPat on February 17, 2013, 02:45:49 AM
I'm enjoying Banks' book. I think it fills a definite niche long awaited..a readable day-to-day account of OTMA's lives filled with minute detail including a large cast of characters. No,  it is not great literature, but that was never the intent. I find it most interesting and enjoyable - plus full of facts helping me in understanding their lives.

Thank you,  ECS Banks,  for what is an obvious labor of love. I hope you will go on and publish your earlier material. Don't let the negative comments discourage you.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Suzanne on March 11, 2013, 01:27:04 PM
Here's my review of Road to Ekaterinburg. I enjoyed Banks' research but found her structure repetitive

http://www.royalhistorian.com/the-imperial-russian-book-reviews-5-road-to-ekaterinburg-nicholas-and-alexandras-daughters-1913-1918-by-ecs-banks/
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 13, 2013, 02:30:42 PM
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I'm glad Amazon made a sample available. I read about 25% of it before deciding this is not a book for me.

I find the characterizations disappointingly broad, and judging from the introduction I think the author may be making a number of assumptions about the characters without substantial basis. For example, the story of Olga Alexandrovna being "enraged" by a little girl asking if she were a princess. In Vorres's book, where the anecdote originates, Olga A. replies "firmly" to the child's question -- there's no indication of Olga showing her temper.

I'm also frustrated by the lack of firm dates. It seems clear that Banks is working from diaries and letters (which the IF always clearly dated) but aside from the chapter headings of "Spring 1913" it's almost impossible to nail down precisely when the events she details happened. The majority of time indicators are things like "One Friday" or "the next Monday."

Similarly, I'm disappointed that the imperial family's own words are virtually never quoted. In skimming the remainder of the sample, I didn't find a single instance of one of the IF being quoted directly. The IF's diaries are notoriously bland on their own, but at least there's the consolation of knowing you're reading their original words and thoughts. Here, even that aspect is missing.

It wouldn't be fair to call this a rehash, but it's not the OTMA non-fiction treatment I've been hoping for. Basically, it appears that the family's diaries and letters have been integrated into a continuous narrative depicting the day-by-day events of the girls' lives.

If you simply want to know what OTMA did on a daily basis I can just about guarantee you'll enjoy Road to Ekaterinburg. However, if you want to know what the GDss thought and felt, how they expressed themselves, and crave more insight into the subtleties of their personalities, you probably won't find this book any more satisfying than what's already available.


Thanks for this review Sarushka, I am sure it will be helpful to a lot of people, including yours truly!
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on March 14, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
Any NAOTMAA  fan, and I emphasize that word,  would want this book imo.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: edubs31 on May 07, 2013, 12:52:41 PM
I started reading this last night on the Kindle. That I was able to read about the first 150-pages at a time of night when I'm generally drifting to sleep is something of a compliment right off the bat.

There is really nothing for me to add that hasn't already been said. The run-on sentences and pedestrian phrasing are problematic, but I find that "non-fiction narrative" style actually makes the book more enjoyable to read. I have a long way to go still so the criticisms about the repetitiveness have yet to fully creep in.

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For example, the story of Olga Alexandrovna being "enraged" by a little girl asking if she were a princess. In Vorres's book, where the anecdote originates, Olga A. replies "firmly" to the child's question -- there's no indication of Olga showing her temper.

Good call Sarushka. I'm not an Olga-A expert but I too did a double-take on this. Just didn't sit well with me.

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If you simply want to know what OTMA did on a daily basis I can just about guarantee you'll enjoy Road to Ekaterinburg. However, if you want to know what the GDss thought and felt, how they expressed themselves, and crave more insight into the subtleties of their personalities, you probably won't find this book any more satisfying than what's already available.

A good way of putting it. I'd say this book is a valuable "resource" without being an exceptional "story". Still I'm enjoying it. Overall I think the Amazon rating is pretty accurate (3.6 out of 5). I'd give it about a three and a half so far...if the repetition continues to get worse my opinion if it will probably drop by a half a point come the end...still it's a nice read, even if your book (Sarah) was better, and even I'm looking forward to Helen's book with much greater enthusiasm!
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 29, 2013, 08:54:04 PM
To be honest, I thought the book was boring and uninteresting from the start and couldn’t finish it.

Which annoys me is that a lot of the material comes from  the diary of Olga Nikolaievna in 1913 (published a few years ago) with word to word (a lot of Olga and Tatiana - not enough of Maria and Anastasia as it was to be about all of them also with cut short sentences and just full of - "T and O did this" or "T and O did that today" and on and on) if the Arthur had writing it with his own words and made it more about "OTMA" instead of just mostly Olga and word for word, I would have like it.

If I want to read their own words, I'll read the letters section here at the AP or read A lifelong passion: Nicholas and Alexandra their own story or the Russian books I have with their original writing of letters and some diary entries instead this book.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Belochka on September 02, 2013, 01:04:24 AM
To be honest, I thought the book was boring and uninteresting from the start and couldn’t finish it.

Which annoys me is that a lot of the material comes from  the diary of Olga Nikolaievna in 1913 (published a few years ago) with word to word (a lot of Olga and Tatiana - not enough of Maria and Anastasia as it was to be about all of them also with cut short sentences and just full of - "T and O did this" or "T and O did that today" and on and on) if the Arthur had writing it with his own words and made it more about "OTMA" instead of just mostly Olga and word for word, I would have like it.

If I want to read their own words, I'll read the letters section here at the AP or read A lifelong passion: Nicholas and Alexandra their own story or the Russian books I have with their original writing of letters and some diary entries instead this book.

Well stated comments! They reflect my opinion about this book.
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Bryndis on April 01, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
So is the book really that bad? Has anyone read the other books?

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Two in one?
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Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: blessOTMA on April 08, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
 A Romanov reader should avail themselves of these books imo.   
Title: Re: Road to Ekaterinburg by ECS Banks
Post by: Lady Macduff on June 30, 2015, 06:30:17 PM
I started reading this today and it screams "amateur" to me. Obviously it was a vanity publication, and it seems that Banks has some kind of axe to grind. In her acknowledgments she dedicates a song to anyone who "is a bully."

The run on sentences are clunky, and they make it feel like a ninth grade paper. My guess is that not enough people saw the manuscript before it went to press, and therefore there is no way to be able to trust the spelling or grammar. This doesn't make me feel comfortable trusting it as a source, especially since, as Helen R pointed out, the bibliography is so inadequate.

Also, the very last page in the book thanks "The Doctor" for time traveling back to 1942 to get the Livadia photos. (?)