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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Greek Royal Family => Topic started by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 11:54:59 AM

Title: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 11:54:59 AM
Princess Alice :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/padegrece.jpg)
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Post by: Russka Princess on December 26, 2009, 05:03:58 PM
She look beautifull!!!

she look realy like her Father!

thanks, where did you found this pic ?

Who was closer to Alice.. to her Mother or to her Father ? i think Mother, because louis was often on the sea.. i think all children was more closer to VHM, speccially Dicki! he adored his Mother!  But how was the realtionship between Alice and her Mother ?

did Louis and victoria choosed self the name from alice ? or did queen Victoria ? because i read somewhere the scene in Windsor Castle, where victoria became her labor pains and birth her child, in this time was the name was already finished, they knew it would be a girl.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on December 27, 2009, 06:19:09 AM
hmm yeah you have right.. they look cold..mabe they has a fight..who knows..But didnt told to her Son Philip that Andrew was love on the first sight?

Alice told her mother how romantic, charming and nice he is, but VHm and Louis thougth they are too young to marry..sadly that their love was not so strong like the marrige from VHM &Louis or Nicky and Alix...very sadly..
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 27, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
Sadly, sometimes love doesnt live forever :-( .
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
So many marriages were ruined during exile (Elisabetta & George II, Alexandra & Peter II...), the strain was extremely hard when a man lost his vocation (Prince Nicholas of Greece was fortunate as he was more of an artist than officer). Others developed into a semi-deteched marriage that could only survive by periods apart (Prince & Princess George of Greece, Grand Duke Alexander and Grand Duchess Xenia of Russia) and some only in name only. Princess Alice in her ways of coping (religion) began to alienate her husband (who for his credit remained a dependable father for his daughters (although distant from his only son)).
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on January 01, 2010, 04:19:21 AM
Princess Alice :



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/alice.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on January 01, 2010, 04:22:06 AM
Princesses Margarita, Theodora and Cecile of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/margarethetheodoracecilie.jpg)

Theodora and Berthold of Baden :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/prwz.jpg)

Princess Cecile :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/cecilie.jpg)

Prince Filip with his father Andrew :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/filiposandrew.jpg)

Filip with his cousin Michael of Romania and uncle King George II of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/philgeomike.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Lovely photo of Cecilie of Greece, she was such a beautiful woman ! No wonder Don fell for her. Another photo of King George II of Greece and his nephews. Only King Michael I of Romania & Philip, Duke of Edinburgh is still alive in that bunch of Greek Royals...
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 02, 2010, 08:24:21 AM
Fron "Royalty wedding", the sister with little brother and parents.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/260cshy.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Marc on February 20, 2010, 05:11:52 PM
One question:I know that Philipp's sisters were not present at his wedding,but I remember reading somewhere that they were present,but just not officially and that they were not placed among royals but watched his wedding "from behind".Any royals expert who knows something about this?

P.S.Anyone else heard something similar?
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Post by: Gabriella on February 21, 2010, 06:03:37 AM
As far as I know Prince Philip's sisters and their families did not take part in his wedding, neither at Westminster Abbey nor at Buckingham Palace, as their husbands were linked with Nazi-Germany.

THey were informed about the wedding by Fredericia of Greece and Marina of Kent.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 21, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
You are correct. However all of them (except Cecilie who died) were invited to Qurrn Elizabeth II's coronation.
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Post by: José on February 24, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from:

At Princess Anne's christening (top, middle)

[img width=450 height=532
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9079/margarita35sp.jpg[/img]

Who is the man behind the Queen Mother ?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: José on February 24, 2010, 01:00:52 PM
On this thread I learnt that Theodora was "Dolla" and Sophie was "Tiny".

Did the other sisters had any nicknames ?

What about Philipp ?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Greenowl on February 24, 2010, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from:

At Princess Anne's christening (top, middle)

[img width=450 height=532
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9079/margarita35sp.jpg[/img]

Who is the man behind the Queen Mother ?

Could it be the Hon. Andrew Elphinstone?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 24, 2010, 05:20:38 PM
I think so.

As for nicknames, I don't think Margarita, Cecilie or Philip has them.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 24, 2010, 06:55:24 PM
Possibly for Phillip to his parents, "Baby" since most royal parents call their youngest that.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 24, 2010, 07:04:28 PM
Or not. It is speculative and has no basis. They could also have call him boy, since he was the only one.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on February 25, 2010, 08:40:41 AM
'Possibly for Phillip to his parents, "Baby" since most royal parents call their youngest that.'

I hope not!

Ann
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 25, 2010, 10:23:10 AM
its just a thought people.   :-|  thats why I said "possibly" as in maybe. *eye roll*
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
We understood. But it is not true. No worries.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: PAVLOV on February 26, 2010, 07:59:23 AM
One of the things I hate here is having to hunt for stuff before one makes a suggestion or comment, in case someone else has already done so.
So my apologies if anyone has recommended the book " ROYALS AND THE REICH"  by Jonathan Petropoulos.
Most of the issues raised here are contained in this book. The Hugo Vickers biography of Princess Andrew also answers many questions, some of which have never been written about before. I think Hugo Vickers books are brilliantly researched, and probably as close as we will ever get to the truth about the private lives of the royal families of Europe.

I can really recommend the Petropoulos book, it is fantastically researched, and a real eye opener. Also very revealing, as it answers many questions on what was, and maybe still is, a very thorny issue.

However, I must say that Prince Phillips mother was not a very exiciting person to read about. So for me it was heavy going.
She was a strange woman, and perhaps a bit of an embarrassment to the family.
 
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2010, 09:26:53 AM
I think there are quite a few things that we do not know about Princess Alice. We only have a partical picture here. There is no book on the sisters and I think their lives are most interesting. Hopefully some author could pick up on that.  :)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2010, 08:45:28 AM
Photos of at least Sophie's first wedding can be found in old German magazines. I don't really buy ones from around the time of the 2nd wedding because the copyright is still good so I can't say whether that would be an avenue to pursue.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2010, 11:30:50 AM
I understand. But have you seen a group image of the second wedding ? One with everybody ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
No, but as I said, I haven't really looked either. The ebay card was the first one I went after.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2010, 11:52:53 AM
Yes...The first one I saw. Did you get it. Very expensive. I will continue to search...
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Sara Araújo on March 10, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Alice by László
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAADIQy_EiB879PpNwUw6suwqhVW_GJqk1mzjUDoC43a_VgP6OwXWJ-SoqgPuJA2CJf9qSIRlhUdula1kdy8zeF7AAm1T1UJs9iDiUz000UgXmL3_eqncPt2K9.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2010, 08:02:12 PM
One of the three known portraits of her by Lazslo.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 01:08:24 PM
here s the necklace she s wearing courtesy of Pedroro from dinastias boards

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/466/fabergeconzafirosdeceyl.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2010, 01:17:13 PM
Were the stones really blue in color ? Sapphires or blue diamonds ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 01:31:34 PM
Well, for what i read its a faberge necklace with Ceylon`s sapphires

 And according  the same Pedroro in Dinastias boards, here s part of the tiara..(Of aquamarines)

A necklace

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7231/countessofwessexaquarma.jpg)

Another

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4079/copiade4688114070131226.jpg)

Sophie also recieved another tiara which belonged to Alice

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6009/46tiaracirculos.jpg)

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3294/wessexbuttontiara.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2010, 02:00:07 PM
You mean part of the tiara that goes with the necklace ? I wonder where the rest of the stones went ?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 02:17:04 PM
yes, they made a pendant and a necklace with part of the tiara.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
Thanks for the info. It seems this stone is a favourite in the family (mine too). Maybe Kate would get the rest of the stones...
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: ashdean on March 12, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
here s the necklace she s wearing courtesy of Pedroro from dinastias boards

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/466/fabergeconzafirosdeceyl.jpg)
The necklace by Faberge may be the one Alice wore but as we do not know defintely that Alices necklace was sapphies and not one of other stones in a identical diamond setting...
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 12, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
according the book where that picture was taken it was the necklace of Alice and they were Sapphires. But with mislabeled stuff you will never know...
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: ashdean on March 12, 2010, 12:28:29 PM
according the book where that picture was taken it was the necklace of Alice and they were Sapphires. But with mislabeled stuff you will never know...
I saw the necklace at a exhibition at Wartski in London...and spoke to Geoffery Munn...Alice was not mentioned.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 12, 2010, 12:28:58 PM
Weird then...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
So were they sapphires or arquamarines ?
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Post by: Marlene on March 18, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
yes, a few of us went after that card .... and a few others.


No, but as I said, I haven't really looked either. The ebay card was the first one I went after.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 18, 2010, 02:43:03 PM
Indeed. It went for more than USD 200...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2010, 06:05:59 PM
Me too. Alice was wearing the star tiara she wore on her wedding day. It came with a bracelet too.
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Post by: Russka Princess on March 21, 2010, 04:49:43 AM
 heyy

is this tiara not from VHM ??? didnt she weared on her Wedding with Louis ??

 here i have a link

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/battenberg-milford-haven/victoria-hessen-tiara.htm

soo Victoria gave it her daugther Alice along.. =))
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on March 21, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
Sophie's wedding;

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAHfpvVg7kUWAwEena5Z5X_oBGB_zW_mfsrKX9YBOylroLlM_QS6o-S8qHDSHqGCedHbhAwkEMn-ZDRz_0OxBeOIAm1T1UNF9HqLWdECIpNj1ymqYexL7w3a3.jpg)

Another picture of the wedding of Sophie and Christophe of Hesse-Cassel :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/sophieofgreecechristophhessecassel.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2010, 03:07:30 PM
Yes. Sofie was actually wearing the pearl tiara that belonged to Princess Mafalda of Hesse (her sister-in-law). I think it was "something borrowed".
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
I don't think it was the same tiara. Alice's tiara had hoofs that contain the stars. I also read this star tiara was actually given by Princess Louise, Duchess of Arygll after VMH lost her jewels in Russia. The star tiara later was seen worn by Countess Mountbatten (Edwina Ashley).
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Post by: Alixz on March 22, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
The star tiara doesn't look the same.

One has circles around the stars and the other doesn't.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
You are absolute right ! I saw a photo of Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll wearing that star tiara.

By the way, didn't know what happened to that set (demi-parure : star tiara with matching bracelet). Maybe it went to her daughters.
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Post by: Keith on March 23, 2010, 06:38:03 AM
Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll didn't have any children. Are you talking about the Duchess of Fife?
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Post by: PAVLOV on March 23, 2010, 07:13:05 AM
The brides pose is not really very graceful is it. Thighs spread, flowers hanging limply to one side. She looks exhausted !
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Post by: Kalafrana on March 23, 2010, 07:36:25 AM
Perhaps she was.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2010, 11:04:22 AM
Sofie was the one who was wise beyond her years and very confident in herself as noted by one of her aunts.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2010, 11:06:15 AM
No. Because she had no children, she could give it as a present to VMH. I think they were neighbours in Kensington Palace.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on April 12, 2010, 12:51:22 PM
Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece :

(http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac286/karlandzita/Greeck%20Royalty/andreasalicebat.jpg)
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 12, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
The bride

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on April 12, 2010, 02:36:50 PM
 i can imange Victoria and Louis was very very proud to have such beautifull Daugther. (of course i think every Parents are proud to have their Children)
But on this pic she look so sad...and serious..she was surly nervous like every bride on her weddingday. VHM didnt looked sad on her weddingpic, she looked more serious.

i can hardly belive that VHM didnt has tears in her eyes, while Alice Wedding Ceremonie. Mabe she didnt cried,but im sure she has tears in her eyes like every mother.
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 12, 2010, 02:45:09 PM
You are welcome.

Maybe she look so sad, because she was really nervous. She was deaf and changed the "yes" and "no" during wedding and answered that she doesn't want to marry Andreas because she is already "taken" :-)
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 12, 2010, 02:45:54 PM
btw: the wedding jewels are from Catherine II.  ;)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 12, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
Really ? Where did you get that information ?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 12, 2010, 11:34:00 PM
wiki....but I've red this anywhere else a time ago in a german book. Can't remember where :( I know, that wiki is not the best source. Maybe someone has red this too?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
From the photo, Alice was wearing a star tiara (of diamonds & pearls) complete with necklace and bracelet. It looks a bit contempary to what Catherine II would own.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 13, 2010, 01:31:31 PM
Maybe they rearrange the tiara...it was normal in this time to "modernize" jewels  :-\
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2010, 01:33:26 PM
Perhaps...However how did the Romanov jewel went down to Alice ? The only possible way would be through Andrew's mother Queen Olga I think.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on April 13, 2010, 01:57:48 PM
Oh, I am so sorry, I was reading wrong. Only the crowns of Catherine II were brought from Russia and held over the heads of bridal couple...the tiara wasn't hers :-[
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Alixz on April 13, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
I just received Hugo Vickers's book on Alice and I am currently catching up.

I think the book is a bit confusing as Vickers doesn't always explain about whom he talking and tends to call the women by their titles of Princess Andrew (for example).  I know that is Alice, but if you don't know the name of the woman or where she was from it is hard to know who Princess Nicholas or Princess George is.

I have to keep checking.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2010, 04:51:40 PM
I agree. I think he was trying to avoid mixing up Alice with her grandmother Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse & By Rhine and also her cousin Princess Alice of Albany, Countess of Athlone. After all, there is only one Princess Andrew of Greece.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 08:16:27 AM
This is, by far, one of the most beautiful pictures of Alice i ve ever seen

(http://i43.tinypic.com/t6xl52.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 12, 2010, 08:36:34 AM
Yes I agree. One of her best. No wonder she was described as one of the most beautiful princess of Europe. However she was morganetic, so that limited her chances.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Marc on May 13, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
Yes I agree. One of her best. No wonder she was described as one of the most beautiful princess of Europe. However she was morganetic, so that limited her chances.

Eric,why do you always repeat the word "morganEtic" even if you know the right spelling(even some of us have pointed that out here to you several times)...Just imagine someone repeating your name again and again as "Erac" even if one knows that you are Eric...

P.S.Hope you don't use the word moraganEtic in your books ;)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
OK. She did not have the best qualifications for a queen. However her niece Louise Mountbatten did became one.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on May 13, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
Her sister Louise. They were both daughters of Victoria & Louis.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2010, 05:18:23 PM
Yes, You are right. Although Alice was married as a Princess of Battenberg, while Louise was only Lady Louise Mountbatten.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 18, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
Alice and Andrew

(http://i48.tinypic.com/14wagrn.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on May 24, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
Margarita with her baby :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/134995margaritahohenlohelangenburg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=134995margaritahohenlohelangenburg.jpg)

Theodora, Berthold and their children :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/669250bertholdtheodoraandfamily.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=669250bertholdtheodoraandfamily.jpg)

Georg Donatus, Cecile and child :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/606327georgdonatuscecile.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=606327georgdonatuscecile.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 25, 2010, 10:37:55 PM
All of them beautiful and elegant, especially Cecilie (who was their father's favourite).
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on May 26, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
All of them beautiful and elegant, especially Cecilie (who was their father's favourite).

She seemed to be the one that most resembled him physically, right?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2010, 08:31:27 AM
I think Philip resembled him the most in colouring and features among his children. Cecilie was a close second, but she was also a sweet and loving woman. Prince Philip was devestated when his sister died and Countess Mountbatten told me that he kept a piece of the plane wreckage...
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 27, 2010, 11:52:56 AM
Really? That is so sad.  :( Sometimes it's hard (at least for me) to think about Philip having a royal life apart from his role as consort--that he had this incredibly interesting family and rather vagabond existence. He's just so closely identified in his British role that I forget (or don't know that much about) the experiences he had a role as son, brother, uncle, exile etc....And yet, in that role he is related to some of my favorite royals.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2010, 10:29:28 PM
Yes. Philip did not have a home of his own before his marriage. It is as guest of his sisters, uncles and various cousins. No doubt Cecilie's gentleness was greatly felt by her only brother.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on June 01, 2010, 01:43:12 PM
Philipp swimming with his cousin Michael of Romania :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/298914fposmi.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=298914fposmi.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2010, 02:25:53 PM
The boys see each other on holidays since Philip's sisters and Michael's mother were close friends. I don't see them togather much after they grew up.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: KarlandZita on June 06, 2010, 01:55:24 PM
Sophie of Hesse with her daughter Christina :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/478288sophiehessedarmstadtmitcristina.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=478288sophiehessedarmstadtmitcristina.jpg)

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/695353sophiechristina.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=695353sophiechristina.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2010, 02:18:39 PM
She was a young mother, but she was grounded in common sense according to her aunt.
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on June 07, 2010, 01:55:24 AM
how old was she when she had her first child?
Title: Re: Prince Andrew of Greece and his family, Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2010, 08:07:50 AM
I think 19. She was born in 1914 and Chrstina was born in 1933.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 07, 2010, 09:13:29 AM
She was 18--her 19th birthday was still about 6 months away.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2010, 11:55:47 AM
Close... :P She was married quite early compared to her sisters.
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Post by: XJaseyRaeX on June 08, 2010, 12:05:23 AM
true. sixteen is pretty young.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 01:04:24 PM
Indeed. However she was noted for her maturity and sensability even at such an age.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 08, 2010, 01:13:20 PM
A rare photo of Princess Christophe of Hesse, in white flowers dress and black hat, to Goering's wedding :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/176127prinzessinchristophehesse.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=176127prinzessinchristophehesse.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 08, 2010, 01:20:20 PM
Sisters in costume

(http://i48.tinypic.com/352ewqa.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 01:21:05 PM
This photo can also found in the Royalty & Reich book.

Indeed, Sophie's husband was a high ranking Nazi, although Sophie herself resisted and never registered as one (yet her sister Cecilie was).
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Post by: XJaseyRaeX on June 12, 2010, 04:11:15 AM
i never saw that picture before! thank you so much for sharing it!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2010, 07:55:21 AM
I think the taller one is Theodora, but I could be wrong.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on June 12, 2010, 05:36:29 PM
This photo can also found in the Royalty & Reich book.


are you sure aboiut that book?  the one by Jonathan Petropoulos or another book about the royals and Nazis? I have the one by JP and I can't find that photo.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 13, 2010, 10:50:57 AM
Princess Cecile attending  a concert in London in 1937 with her cousin Marina of Kent :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/636172concertinlondoncecilemarina1937.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636172concertinlondoncecilemarina1937.jpg)

I think it was given on the occasion of celebrations of the coronation of new King George VI.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2010, 09:15:31 AM
Yes. I think they also went for a drink with Kira later. I got that photo from an archiev.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 15, 2010, 04:48:28 AM
This photo is interesting because it shows Cecile during the last months of her existence. The coronation of George VI taking place in May 1937, Cecile had only a few months to live before her tragic plane crash.
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Post by: Marc on June 15, 2010, 07:05:21 AM
Who is the other lady sitting next to them?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2010, 04:42:06 PM
No idea. Yes it was the last time Cecilie was seen in a public event. Her pregnancy did not show yet.
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Post by: Svetabel on June 16, 2010, 12:32:37 AM
Who is the other lady sitting next to them?

She resembles Mafalda of Italy, spouse of Philipp of Hesse-Kassel...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
Yes. There is a likeness but unfortunately not much more than that.
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Post by: ashdean on June 16, 2010, 02:49:54 PM
Princess Cecile attending  a concert in London in 1937 with her cousin Marina of Kent :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/636172concertinlondoncecilemarina1937.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636172concertinlondoncecilemarina1937.jpg)

I think it was given on the occasion of celebrations of the coronation of new King George VI.
Cecile wears the tiara Queen Victoria gave her daughter Alice and Marina wears the complete Cambridge sapphire suite.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on June 16, 2010, 02:55:14 PM
Quote
Andrea and Alice of Greece with their children in 1921 (from left to right: Margarita, Philip, Cecilia, Sophie and Theodora)
(http://www.genealogics.org/photos/175et.al.a.jpg)



I just love Princess Sophies' rather haughty, moody look! Very fetching & seems to suit her!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2010, 03:35:42 PM
Princess Cecilie also had the star tiara and the turret looking tiara (used to belong to her mother-in-law Eleanore) to choose from.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 09:22:42 AM
Andrew

(http://i49.tinypic.com/sl2lwh.jpg)
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Post by: Veronica on June 17, 2010, 04:46:55 PM
Alice

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8/alicebattenbeg5t97m.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 21, 2010, 01:17:35 PM
Young woman :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/pssan.jpg)

In 1928 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/pssandr1928.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 21, 2010, 02:18:07 PM
Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/aliceandr.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/Prince%20Andrew%20Family/ppssa.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on July 21, 2010, 04:40:11 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Close-upPrincessAlice1922.jpg)

Princess Andrew of Greece nee Alice of Battenberg in 1922
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Post by: Svetabel on July 22, 2010, 12:54:42 AM


Princess Andrew of Greece nee Alice of Battenberg in 1922

Not 1922. The hair-style is from 1910s.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 10, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
Princess Alice :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/752640al.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=752640al.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2010, 06:08:23 PM
Wearing the tiara that was rumoured to be dismentaled.
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Post by: Condecontessa on October 11, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
Eric, what do you mean about the tiara being dismantled?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 10:25:18 AM
Yes. because 1. It was never seen again. 2. The countess of Wessex had some new Aquamarines set into her jewels. That fuelled specuation that it was those that belonged to Princess Alice that was used. Her aquamarine parure also included a long necklace and a bracelet.
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 09, 2010, 09:19:49 AM
Prince and Princess Andrew :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/576826pcepssandrew.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=576826pcepssandrew.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2010, 10:09:28 AM
I think it was taken during the exile from Greece.
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 09, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Lovely Princess Theodora :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/174235theo.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=174235theo.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2010, 04:11:40 PM
She was very pretty until her later illness spoilt her looks.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
I don't think Sophie wore much jewelry for her second wedding (she was in day dress and hat instead of a veil, gown & tiara).
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 10, 2010, 02:32:55 PM
That's because it was stolen!  Wasn't it for her second wedding that Sophie asked the authorities to access the Schloss which resulted in the theft discovery in the first place?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Well...She could have borrowed a parure from her sisters or aunt Louise (Queen of Sweden) had she so wished. Apart from that, her future husband could also have borrow a suite of jewels from his mother VL.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2010, 02:47:21 PM
As a matter of fact, Sophie borrowed a diamond & pearl tiara from her sister-in-law Mafalda to wear on her first wedding.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 10, 2010, 02:48:04 PM
Yes, but second weddings--especially given the austerity conditions--are often pretty low-key. Going for the Hesse jewels, she probably just wanted a brooch or earrings. I doubt she was going to go with a tiara or full parure for such an occasion.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 10, 2010, 04:15:54 PM
The jewels stolen were Hesse Cassel  and her first husband was a hesse cassel. Im confused.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
Yes. They were Hesse jewels. I think part of Mafalda's jewels were saved. The ear of wheat tiara is the one usually used in weddings. Princess Sophie was also photographed wearing another parure that belonged to Mafalda. As for the earrings or brooches, her sisters Margarita & Theodora had much to spare to lent to their baby sister for this big event. They are all there (including Philip). So I cannot imagine Sophie jewel-less !
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
The story I've always read is that the theft was discovered when Sophie wanted to get some jewels for her wedding. Whether they were strictly Hesse Cassel jewels or jewels that belonged to her (either through inheritance or as wedding gifts) and lumped in with Margaret's jewels for the sake of brevity, I don't know. But that could be why she would wear a "Hesse" jewel to her Hannover wedding. Plus, her husbands were cousins (first once removed) so there could have been a Hohenzollern (which both husbands descended from) jewel that belonged to Margaret that she wanted to wear.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2010, 04:55:08 PM
I think VL got her jewels intact and so could get a nice necklace or tiara for Sophie. The bulk of the Hesse Jewels were lost. Some from Mafarda was safe though (as the wedding ear of wheat tiara is still worn by her decendents).
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2011, 06:38:31 AM
Princess Theodora in 1922 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/358585theodora1922.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=358585theodora1922.jpg)

She vaguely resembles her cousin Maria Pavlovna on this profile.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2011, 08:53:30 AM
Alice and Andrew

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6871/50166529.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/50166529.jpg/)

 
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2011, 08:56:02 AM
Andrew photo probably taken during his exile in Switzerland to St. Moritz.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2011, 11:19:19 AM
Andrew like his father retain his slim figure till old age.
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 09, 2011, 07:47:27 AM
Young, he looks more like his mother Queen Olga :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/9526252474.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=9526252474.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 09, 2011, 08:06:53 AM
Margarita and her husband :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/939405margaritagreece.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=939405margaritagreece.png)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 09, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
Alice

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1034/02427.jpg) (http://img508.imageshack.us/i/02427.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 10, 2011, 03:28:47 AM
Her husband is wearing pre-1939 German Army No.1 uniform (recognisable by the fancy cuffs and overallls instead of breeches and riding boots).

Ann
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Post by: THERRY on January 10, 2011, 04:12:20 AM
She was really beautiful , very different from her sister
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2011, 08:48:36 AM
They made a splash in the US Papers during the Gloria Vanderbilt custody case.
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Post by: ashdean on January 11, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
I think VL got her jewels intact and so could get a nice necklace or tiara for Sophie. The bulk of the Hesse Jewels were lost. Some from Mafarda was safe though (as the wedding ear of wheat tiara is still worn by her decendents).
Actually Sophie did in later years wear a very distinctive tiara that her second husbands grandmother the Kaiserin had worn.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2011, 01:54:34 PM
The emerald one ?
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Post by: violetta on January 23, 2011, 04:24:15 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/aliceofbattenberg.jpg)
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Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on January 26, 2011, 04:36:41 AM
She looks a little bit like Bella from Twilight in the picture posted in reply #203.


Edit from Alixz - Please don't "quote" pictures.  It takes up bandwidth and makes loading take a long time for those with dial up.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 07, 2011, 10:16:28 PM
 i wonder what year did Alice convert to Orthodoxy?
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 08, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
She looks a little bit like Bella from Twilight in the picture posted in reply #203.


Edit from Alixz - Please don't "quote" pictures.  It takes up bandwidth and makes loading take a long time for those with dial up.

Actually the general rule has been don't quote multiple pictures or quote a picture just to say 'that's pretty' or 'nice picture'. If you're making a reference to the photo in terms of information then it's better to quote the picture so that people know what you are referring to or without having to page back to a reference.
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Post by: KarlandZita on March 13, 2011, 08:09:28 AM
Baby Prince Philip :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/265747princephilip.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=265747princephilip.jpg)

age three in 1924 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/304151agethree.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=304151agethree.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on March 13, 2011, 08:12:57 AM
Prince Andrew :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/602636laterprinceandr.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=602636laterprinceandr.jpg)

and Princess Alice :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/813555pssalmice.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=813555pssalmice.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 14, 2011, 10:10:58 AM
Alice and two of her daughters

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4620/soedhgoa.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/soedhgoa.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
The Andrews had always been a striking couple. Both looked good in old age, their only son Philip (now 90) has aged well and in comparative good health. :-)
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Post by: THERRY on June 08, 2011, 05:57:49 AM
Not new but better size
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1456/pralicedigreciainregali.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/pralicedigreciainregali.jpg/)
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Post by: feodorovna on June 12, 2011, 08:44:52 AM
Very recently I watched Fiona Bruce do an interview with Prince Philip for his 90th birthday. I am still squirming on her behalf!!! Prior to the interview she had confessed,having been warned that HRH could be difficult, to feeling nervous. I can only say that I believe her feelings were justified!! Before I go further, I would like to confirm my belief that if one achieves the magnificent age of 90 one is entitled to act as one pleases, however, bad behaviour is bad behaviour whether one is 9 or 90 and believe me, at moments, HRH, looking very well for 90, acted more like a naughty 9 year old who was thoroughly enjoying himself at anothers' expense. In fairness to him, he admitted to not wanting to give the interview so I imaginge that Miss Bruce may have felt discomforted from the start, and this may have been why she asked questions and made assumptions which seemed to displease him. She repeatedly delved into his childhood-how he had no permanent home, how cut off from his family he had been how lonely he must have felt-and I felt that his responses were very defensive, denying having any feelings at all about it. He clearly did not want to go there and given what we know of that time in his life, who can blame him for having constructed such an impenetrable mask after all, we know that boys don't cry-how much more would that have applied to Royal boys all those years ago?When asked if he would have liked to have furthered his career in the Royal Navy he said he was not prepared to answer the question, the question was then put another way and the responding silence was deafening.
Miss Bruce appeared to gain a little composure when she left the past where he clearly felt it belonged, by which time, had this been a game of point scoring it would have been HRH all, Miss Bruce nil. I can't imagine her wanting a repeat performance in the near future.
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Post by: violetta on June 12, 2011, 03:23:31 PM
Feodorovna, did you manage to get any intersting information on HRH? Was this interview devoted to the 90th birthday of HRH? If HRH refused to talk about his past, did he suppy any interesting info on his present or on his plans for the future? Could you share any interesting info with us?
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Post by: Kalafrana on June 13, 2011, 03:32:19 AM
Feodorovna

I imagine it had been made clear to Fiona Bruce beforehand that there were topics on which the Duke would not answer questions, so trying to get him to was clearly a mistake.

Ann
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Post by: feodorovna on June 13, 2011, 04:48:31 AM
Violetta and Kalafrana, hello. I don't believe I learned anything new about the DoE, but naturally, he put his own slant on things, such as having no recall of a sense of loss when his mother was hospitalized, his father absconded and his sisters all married-small boy, youngest in family, family wrenched apart, alone, how might he have felt? Interesting to note, however, that having no recall is very different from denial. When asked about the DoE Award Scheme and if he was proud of it he responded by saying that all he had done was put his name to it. With hindsight he appeared to be unwilling to take credit for anything , possibly because he'd not received any in his formative years ,which rather begs the question of how willing is he to extend credit with sincerity or does he hide behind jocular sarcasm? I suspect that when it comes to his relationships, sensitive types need not apply!!!
Anyway, Miss Bruce. She soldiered on gamely, she endured his sarcasms, she laughed brightly and often-he didn't-and at moments was reduced to asking totally inane questions and making inappropriate comments starting with "You must have...." and "Some people would...!!!!!" which evoked the barked responses, "Why must I?" and "I'm not "some people"!!!" I was reminded , at times, of a cat playing with a mouse. As a private conversation, it could have been flirtatious banter but this was not private and he said emphatically, at the start, that he had not wanted to be interviewed, the inference being, that he would enjoy making it difficult for the poor interviewer. IMO, he did just that, but she had been warned by several people who clearly knew much better than she how difficult HRH could be.I bet she needed a stiff drink when it was over!!!
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 13, 2011, 07:16:23 AM
Alice's husband :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/601273andrgrce.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=601273andrgrce.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
He looked pretty worn out by then (a far cry from the golden youth that Alice fell in love at first sight). Taken around the time shortly before their first exile ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Don't think he will tell anything deep down in his feelings about his life. Philip was the generation of the stiff upper lip, he did not discuss the loss of his favorite sister Cecile in that plane crash. Countess Mountbatten (Patricia) once said it affected him emotionally and he kept a part of the plane as a keep sake.
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Post by: Kalafrana on June 15, 2011, 03:43:16 AM
Feodorovna

Bear in mind that the Duke was under 10 when much of this happened (mother taken into hospital, father went off with mistress) , and that is an age when people quite frequently do 'just cope'. On a lesser scale, my father was in the RAF and we therefore relocated quite frequently. I am often asked now whether I found it upsetting, and can quite truthfully say that it didn't. In fact, moving was something exciting rather than the reverse, and I still think that there is something deadly dull about leading your entire life in one place.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2011, 06:57:28 AM
Yet in his heart, Philip long to belong as it is not much fun being passed as a poor relative from one to another. Compared to his richer relatives like King Michael of Romania (they in fact grew up close especially during childhood as Philip vacationed with his sisters at Princess Helen's seaside villa). It was not until he went to Salem (later Gordonsturn) and under Kurt Hahn that he developed into his own personality. I think he buried his feelings so deeply that it is not easy to talk about it ala Oprah style. People just "get on with it" in those days that dwell on it. That is the reason that when his son Prince Charles develop a liking for the teachings of Jung the need to express oneself, it did not register with Prince Philip. It is easier to interpret him through his actions than his words.   
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
Margarita :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/432057margareta.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=432057margareta.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 28, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
Her looks resembled that of her Uncle Dickie.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 16, 2011, 11:32:54 AM
Prince and Princess Andrew in Palm Beach :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/390176palmb.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=390176palmb.jpg)

The woman near them is perhaps Xenia Leeds, former Princess Xenia Georgievna of Russia.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2011, 01:26:53 PM
The man beside them looked like Prince Christopher of Greece.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 19, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
Princess Andrew and Sir Harold Snagge, 1928 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/811376pssandrewwandsirsnagge1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=811376pssandrewwandsirsnagge1928.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
I think the daughter most resembled her in smile and figure is Margarita, Princess of Hohenlohe-Langenburg.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 22, 2011, 07:15:17 AM
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/67271610500248a.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=67271610500248a.jpg)

Courtesy Mary Evans.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 22, 2011, 04:05:06 PM
Prince Philip has the same eyes as his first cousin once removed Tsarevich Alexei, as a boy.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2011, 06:05:18 PM
Philip was much blonder than Alexis, who had brown hair. In fact he looked like his sister Grand Duchess Marie in features.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on October 23, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
Mandie was referring to the eyes, read the post properly.  ::)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2011, 02:40:12 PM
Hard to say. There is no color film of Alexis's eyes.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 31, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
Alice and two of her daughters, probably Theodora and Margarita :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/499017aliceanddaughters.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=499017aliceanddaughters.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2011, 08:47:16 AM
I think this was taken in England.
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2011, 02:13:10 PM
Margarita :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/479869margaritaho.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=479869margaritaho.jpg)

and Theodora :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/847619theo.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=847619theo.jpg)

as bridesmaids at the wedding of their uncle Louis - dickie - Mountbatten, in 1922.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
They appear to dress alike. A bit like Alicky dressing Olga & Tatiana. In pairs.
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Post by: Petr on November 15, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
There's a new biography of HRH entitled Prince Philip by Philip Eade (Henry Holt, 347 pages, $28) which was reviewed favorably in yesterday's Wall Street Journal by Ferdinand Mount, a former editor of the Times Literary Supplement.


Petr     
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
When is it coming out ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 16, 2011, 10:41:37 AM
If it's the one I've seen, it's already out. Is it the one that focuses on his life pre-marriage?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2011, 02:01:39 PM
Haven't seen anything new in bookstores. Is it out in UK only ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 17, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
No, I believe it's on Amazon.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
I will check it out.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 18, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
Prince Philip: The Turbulent Early Life of the Man Who Married Queen Elizabeth II

"Before he met the young girl who became Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Philip had a tumultuous upbringing in Greece, France, Nazi Germany, and Britain. His mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg, was born deaf; she was committed to a psychiatric clinic when Philip was eight. His father, Prince Andrew of Greece, already traumatized by his exile from his home country, promptly shut up the family home and went off to live with his mistress, effectively leaving his young son an orphan.

Remarkably, Philip emerged from his difficult childhood a character of singular vitality and dash—self-confident, opinionated, and devastatingly handsome. Girls fell at his feet, and the princess who would become his wife was smitten from the age of thirteen. Yet alongside his considerable charm and intelligence, the young prince was also prone to volcanic outbursts, which would have profound consequences for his family and the future of the monarchy.

In this authoritative and wonderfully compelling book, acclaimed biographer Philip Eade [it's only his 2nd book so I don't know about 'acclaimed biographer'] brings to vivid life the storm-tossed early years of one of the most fascinating and mysterious members of the royal family."

It just came out about 2 weeks ago.
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 18, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
Some of the reviews:

"Calorie-rich fare for those who enjoy snacking on royal stories."—Kirkus Reviews

"Absorbing and informative."—Publishers Weekly

"Highly readable…. This balanced, sympathetic, engaging book deserves to take its place among the first rank of modern royal biographies."—Daily Mail (London)

"The narrative is as suspenseful as any thriller. Truly, an excellent read."—Sunday Times (London)

"Eade's staunchly unhagiographic book is well spiced with royal titbits, and enlivened by a lemony tartness in the author's tone.... Rich in drama and tragedy.... As thoughtful and unbiased an explanation as we are likely to get."—Miranda Seymour, Guardian

"As Philip Eade demonstrates in this highly readable biography of Prince Philip’s first 30 years, this extraordinary man endured a childhood of such turmoil that nowadays the social services would have placed him in care…. This balanced, sympathetic, engaging book deserves to take its place among the first rank of modern royal biographies." —Christopher Hudson, Daily Mail

"This unusual book [describing] his transition from bumptious baby to universally trusted head boy at Gordonstoun, from plucky seaman to breezy Royal escort, home maker and instinctive moderniser makes fascinating reading…. Carefully researched, warm-hearted and unjudgmental."— Andrew Barrow, Evening Standard

"Perhaps this should be regarded as a sighting shot, staking a claim for the official biography which will eventually be commissioned. On the basis of this excellent book one can say that it would be a task that Eade was singularly well qualified to undertake." —Philip Ziegler, Spectator

" ‘May you live in interesting times,’ goes the ancient curse. The modern equivalent might be: ‘May you make an interesting subject for a biography.’ In this book, Philip Eade certainly proves that the Duke of Edinburgh fulfils this description…. Under Mr. Eade’s pen, the story races along, without sycophancy. In the course of it, we meet SS brothers-in-law and showgirls, Lord Louis (Dickie) Mountbatten and Gloria Vanderbilt." —Clive Aslet, Country Life

"Philip Eade is an amused and amusing biographer…. It’s good to know that Philip once subscribed to Flying Saucer Review, that he and Mountbatten were regarded as ‘pinkoes’ by the stuffier courtiers…and that Kim Philby once attended a gathering of the Thursday Club."— Jeremy Lewis, Literary Review

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2011, 04:18:32 PM
Is it available in USA yet ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 22, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
Yes, through amazon as I mentioned.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2011, 05:17:52 PM
Thanks ! I think Amazon UK ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 23, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
Yes, also amazon.com (US). Not sure about the other amazon sites.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2011, 06:15:00 PM
I bought quite a few things from Amazon UK.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 05, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
Bob has "bought" this for me for Christmas (really me ordering it for him to give to me  ;) ) so I'm looking forward to reading about it. So little attention is paid to this part of Phillip's life. I'm really anxious to see what the author does with it and what sources they used.

On a side note, Royalty and Majesty both have articles in them re: Phillip and EII and their relationship. One of them (I can't remember which) is based off the upcoming bio on EII by Sally Bedel Smith. Majesty had some really charming photos of the older P&E.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Just saw it the other day in Barnes & Noble. I might get it for Christmas. :-)
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 07, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
Book arrived last night.  :)  Not a ton of pictures but a couple from Broadlands Archives that I hadn't seen before.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 07, 2011, 02:54:57 PM
The most interesting one was from the Kurt Hahn collection in Salem. Shows Theodora and Philip with her two children.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 08, 2011, 01:42:33 PM
I almost mentioned that one--very cute. It was just one of Theodora's children--the other child was a pupil at the school. Also the series of Philip in the biscuit-eating contest.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2011, 10:28:36 PM
Yes those the the only interesting ones. Princess Margarita of Baden, the little girl with her mother Theodora in the photo is stilling living in England I once met her in a book signing event. She is Prince Philip's niece.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 20, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
Sophie of Hesse with her daughter Christina :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/478288sophiehessedarmstadtmitcristina.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=478288sophiehessedarmstadtmitcristina.jpg)

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/695353sophiechristina.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=695353sophiechristina.jpg)

Just saw that Prince Phillip's niece, Princess Christina , passed away on November 21, 2011. Marlene's blog has some photos of her wedding to Prince Andrew of Yugoslavia were you can see Victoria Louise, Duchess of Brunswick and Princess Sophie.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2011/12/princess-christina-of-hesse-1933-2011.html

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Post by: THERRY on February 13, 2012, 03:36:08 AM
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9508/xhyv2.jpg)
Alice with daughters Margarita and Theodora
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2012, 02:45:38 PM
She was really quite attractive although figure wise on the more plump side.
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Post by: Russka Princess on February 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Alice was beautifull & bright girl
no wonder by such a clever mother & handsome father ^^

by the way Victoria was also never very slank like her sisters Ella & Alix. She was a little plumpy aswell.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
Yes. All her aunts were a bit plumpish.
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Post by: LauraO on February 22, 2012, 03:33:14 PM
Perhaps its just me but i've always seen an astounding resemblance between Alice and her great grandaughter Princess Eugenie of York i don't know i think its the eyes or something, but i'm not sure, i've always just found a really strong resemblance!
Some of the photo's of Alice as a young woman are just stunning!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
I think Eugenie resembled her father in looks.

Yes, Alice was a real stunner in terms of looks. Her only drawback in the royal marriage market was her morganetic blood and her deafness.
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Post by: LauraO on February 22, 2012, 03:38:40 PM
Her story's actually so very sad, in today's society the things that she had to desperatley battle to try and overcome would never have been seen as such a problem.
hmmm... i think Beatrice looks stikingly like her father, but hey, occassionally i'll see a side picture of andrew nowdays and think it the duke of edinburgh! I guess people see different sorts of things in different people!
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Post by: Russka Princess on February 24, 2012, 04:58:27 PM
In my time 23:55 is in 5 min Alice´s Birthday!!

Happy Birthday !!

Rest in Peace

i cant still belive that she was the mother from Prince Phillipp..

She was a good person, she has a good family who taked care for her...she was unfortly unhappy in her marrige but has wonderfull Children!
And she hide jews (in a house like i did heard).
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Post by: darius on February 25, 2012, 07:11:24 AM
She was really quite attractive although figure wise on the more plump side.

As was her first cousin Victoria Eugenia until the 1930´s....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
Like all the daughters of Queen Victoria. The Glucksborgs(Danish/Greek) family were a bit more on the slim side.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 11, 2012, 01:36:01 PM
Andrew, 1935 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/687673andrewgreece1935.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=687673andrewgreece1935.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/6088431935bassano.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=6088431935bassano.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Prince Philip do resembled him greatly. The charm and the sadness though was evident in the father.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 07:44:14 AM
Princess Alice by Henry Walter Barnett in 1903 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/919789henrywalterbarnett1903.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=919789henrywalterbarnett1903.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/806453mw188663.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=806453mw188663.jpg)

With her husband Andrew :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/180914mw188661.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=180914mw188661.jpg)

Courtesy the NPG.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 01, 2012, 07:50:08 AM
Theodora and her husband Berthold of Baden :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/294492theodorabertholdbaden.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=294492theodorabertholdbaden.png)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 01, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
I think from the time of their engagement.
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Post by: Kalafrana on September 02, 2012, 11:39:59 AM
The resemblance between the older Andrew and the Duke of Edinburgh is very obvious.

Interestingly, Philip Eade's book 'Young Prince Philip' includes a set of photos taken of the seven-year-old Philip 'taking part in a biscuit-eating competition'. The facial expressions are just like Prince Harry at the same sort of age!

Ann
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Post by: Historianna on September 08, 2012, 10:44:33 AM
A few weeks ago on the UK Tv network Channel 4 there was a documentary "The Queen's Mother In Law" which delved more deeply into Alice's breakdown. Seems a lady in waiting told a doctor that the Princess had sexual feelings for someone that she could not act on and she thinks that is what lead her to having the breakdown.  Hopefully someone will post the documentary on Youtube, it's must see viewing.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 08, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
I hope so too. Channel 4 always have great documentaries and no US affiliate to carry them here nor are they available on dvd (like the bbc). So Frustrating !!! :-(
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 29, 2012, 07:27:05 AM
Princess Andrew and her four girls :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/70574610643368a.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=70574610643368a.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 29, 2012, 07:27:58 AM
Theodora, Cecile and Margarita in 1914 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/991380thedoracecilemargarita1914.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=991380thedoracecilemargarita1914.jpg)

Courtesy Mary Evans.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
They all looked very blond when little, but grew dark hair when they grew up. Only Philip & Sophie remained blond...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
You can see Alice wearing the Greek key tiara that was worn recently by her great granddaughter Zara Philips. I think Zara's mother the Princess Royal inherited that tiara from her father. The Queen never wore it.
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 01, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
Alice didn't inherit it from Philip as he is still living. : )  I believe it was a gift from Philip or maybe a direct request from Alice herself. I'm thinking the former.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 01, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
GD Ella, I think your mistaking Alice as in Princess Alice of Greece for Anne, the Princess Royal. I think the Greek Key Tiara was a wedding gift for the Duke of Edinburgh to his daughter Anne when she married Mark Phillips in 1973, her grandmother Princess Andrew of Greece (Alice) died in 1969, four years earlier.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 02, 2012, 01:30:40 AM
I read the Greek Key was given to the Queen (Princess Elizabeth of York) when she married Captain Philip Mountbatten by her husband. Most likely Alice made it a wedding present to her daughter-in-law, but the Queen never wore it. She gave that tiara as a wedding present to her daughter, Princess Anne when she married Mark Philips.
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 02, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
GD Ella, I think your mistaking Alice as in Princess Alice of Greece for Anne, the Princess Royal. I think the Greek Key Tiara was a wedding gift for the Duke of Edinburgh to his daughter Anne when she married Mark Phillips in 1973, her grandmother Princess Andrew of Greece (Alice) died in 1969, four years earlier.

Yes, I typed Alice instead of Anne. I was referring to Eric's comment about Anne inheriting it from Philip and pointing out that Anne couldn't inherit it as Philip was still living. : )  Sorry for the confusion. That's what happens when I try to type quickly at work.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 02, 2012, 12:22:35 PM
Yes. I wonder if Zara or Peter will inherit it ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 13, 2012, 07:14:57 AM
The four sisters around 1914 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/66853110643369a.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=66853110643369a.jpg)

Courtesy May Evans.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 15, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
'They all looked very blond when little, but grew dark hair when they grew up. Only Philip & Sophie remained blond...'

Nothing unusual in that. In Britain, adult natural blonds are relatively uncommon (I am one, so I notice others!).

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2012, 10:07:04 AM
I think Prince Andrew was blond and Alice had light color hair too.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 15, 2012, 11:27:16 AM
Not always easy to tell in black and white photographs.

In the 1935 picture Andrew looks dark-haired, but it may, or may not, be the effect of the hair oil which most men used in those days.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2012, 11:36:53 AM
I think Alice told her grandson Charles that Andrew look like a blond Greek god. Andrew's brother Christopher was also blond.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 26, 2012, 01:25:04 PM
Princess Sophie in 1930 with her first husband christophe of Hesse Cassel :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/941170sophiecristophehessecassel.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=941170sophiecristophehessecassel.jpg)

In 1946, with her second husband, Prince George of Hanover :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/860046sophiegrieckenland1946.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=860046sophiegrieckenland1946.jpg)
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Post by: Clemence on November 09, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
http://gr.news.yahoo.com/%CF%80%CF%8E%CF%82-%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%B5-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%80%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BF-%CE%B4%CF%85%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8D%CF%87%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1-095052994.html (http://gr.news.yahoo.com/%CF%80%CF%8E%CF%82-%CE%AD%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%B5-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%80%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BF-%CE%B4%CF%85%CF%83%CF%84%CF%8D%CF%87%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1-095052994.html)

The above is in Greek and descrives the first car accident in Athens, Greece, in 1907, where the car driven by prince Andrew hit woman deadly wounded by onother car just before his ... princess Alice was in the car as well.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2012, 01:36:18 PM
Didn't know about that. The article did not indicate if he was driving...
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 09, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
The article did say Andrew was driving--Alice was his passenger. The 2nd car was driven by some ministers. I couldn't really tell if only Andrew hit the woman or if the minister's car did first and then Andrew hit her body.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2012, 08:07:27 AM
Yes. confusing chain of events.
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Post by: Clemence on November 10, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
Who known if the car was the one Nicholas and Alexandra gave them as a wedding present ...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2012, 02:42:03 PM
Could have been or a military car.
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Post by: Eurohistory on December 02, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
The article states that the pedestrian was hit by the car in which the Ministers rode, who had just passed Prince Andrew's car. She seems to have come out of nowhere and tried to cross the street without precaution.

The poor soul's body was driven over by Prince Andrew and his car, even though the Prince tried to avoid doing so.

The King announced that his son, if guilty, would be prosecuted. Obviously, he was not.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 02, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Thanks, Art. I had thought that's what it said but, not reading Greek, I was going by babelfish translations. They aren't always the clearest.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Glad it was an accident. I wonder if Princess Alice was shaken by this incident as she was in the car too.
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 02, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
I would imagine driving over a body--either dead or wounded--would be upsetting to most people.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Indeed. Glad she wasn't pregnant at the time.
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Post by: Kalafrana on December 03, 2012, 02:20:17 AM
'I would imagine driving over a body--either dead or wounded--would be upsetting to most people.'

Indeed. and Andrew seems to have been a decent man by all accounts, even if his marriage did break up.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2013, 05:53:45 PM
Not sure if the marriage crack up first or Princess Alice went crazy first. Prince Andrew was a broken man after he was exiled from Greece...
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 10, 2013, 04:41:58 AM
I'm not sure either. The marriage seems to have been solid enough until they were exiled. I'm inclined to think that the marriage break-up resulted from the exile, but it's not clear whether Alice's mental illness came before the marriage break-up or after.

Interestingly, the photographs I've seen of the Hesse funeral in 1937 don't seem to show Andrew. Surely he must have been there?

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 10, 2013, 10:28:20 AM
Andrew was there--he didn't walk in the procession apparently. Maybe due to a combination of grief & age?

Alice was there as well. It was their first meeting since April 1931--also her first meeting with her brother Louis since 1929. Alice came with Sophie from Berlin while Andrew brought Philip from England. Their daughter Margarita wrote to her Aunt Louise that they got on well together but that it was 'too hard' it took Cecile dying to bring them together again.

Andrew took Cecile's death very hard as she was his favorite. He wrote to his mother-in-law that the weight of the grief just seemed to grow heavier as the weeks progressed.
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 10, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
Andrew was 55 at the time of Cecile's death, so it seems unlikely that age alone was the issue.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2013, 01:06:31 PM
I do wonder apart from Cecile being Adrea's favorite, how did he get along with his daughters. Philip unfortunately did not have a close or loving relationship with his father. 
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 10, 2013, 02:00:08 PM
Andrew was 55 at the time of Cecile's death, so it seems unlikely that age alone was the issue.

Ann

Yes, but wasn't his health somewhat broken by then? He didn't even live another 10 years. With the bitter November weather, he may have not been up to it physically.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
True, but he was living in Monte Carlo by then, a place of mild weather compared to the rest of Europe.
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 11, 2013, 03:55:36 AM
'Philip unfortunately did not have a close or loving relationship with his father.'

Though I find it significant that Philip's second son is called Andrew, which is not at all a royal name here.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
It is a saints name and also his father's name. Queen Victoria named her second son Alfred, a name out of circulation for at least a thousand years.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 11, 2013, 03:18:04 PM
I think the fact that it was his father's name was what Karlfrana was pointing out. Despite their relationship, Philip still chose to give his son his father's name.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2013, 03:57:40 PM
I think he likes his father and after his death was the one who went to his place and packed up his belongings (suits & cufflinks)...
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Post by: Kalafrana on February 12, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Apparently the Duke also wears his father's signet ring.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2013, 12:08:02 AM
I think Philip cherishes his father, although they did not have the time to be close. He once said "People think that Dickie is my father anyway."
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 01, 2013, 10:18:42 AM
Hi,

Yesterday, PBS showed a documentary on Alice, called "The Queen's Mother-in-Law"...  Very interesting film and quite frank & factual, I think!

There were films of her at Philip & Elizabeth's wedding and the Coronation.
She looked grand in purple at the wedding, talking to Queen Mary;  and stately at the Coronation all done up as a nun, walking out of the Abbey alone....

At one point, there was a portion showing The Queen Mother walking enrobed at the Coronation - and there was a comment that Alice was 'the othe queen mother'!!!!  Alice eventually went to live at Buckingham Palace, where she died in 1969.
I am wondering - - How did she get along with The Queen?  and even more - - How did she get along with The Queen Mother?

These points were never brought up in the film...

Thank you for any information or comments.

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2013, 10:39:13 AM
Too bad our PBS Station did not carry that program and I couldn't get it anywhere...
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Post by: KarlandZita on August 17, 2013, 07:18:02 AM
Princess alice escorted by her son, the duke of Edinburgh :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/269699alicefilipe.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=269699alicefilipe.png)
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2013, 08:33:05 AM
Alice and Andrew with their elder daughters Margarita and Théodora :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/683236aliceandrewandbabies.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=683236aliceandrewandbabies.jpg)
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Post by: Clemence on October 09, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
Could someone please help me find the title of a book aboute Princess Alice of Greece, in Greek I beleive? It seems it can no longer be found in bookshops in Greece and I' d like to try and find it via internet but I do not know title and author.
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Post by: mishaxenia on October 09, 2013, 02:43:10 PM
perhaps the book of the 2006  in  greek  Πριγκίπισσα Αλίκη  author Breidel Χατζηδημητρίου Τόνις  on sale online www.skroutz.gr  and other
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Post by: Clemence on October 09, 2013, 02:59:31 PM
I guess it could be, at least it is the one I came out with googling. Thank you!
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Post by: amelia on October 09, 2013, 03:02:56 PM
The book is PRINCESS ANDREW OF GREECE, by Hugo Vickers and it is in English. You can find it in amazon.com

Amelia (Eva McDonald)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
I think there was a book on Alice in Greek.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 12, 2013, 07:26:22 AM
Mother and daughters :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/486143aliceanddaughters.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=486143aliceanddaughters.jpg)
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 12, 2013, 08:56:34 AM
The daughter second from the left bears a decided resemblance to Prince Philip at a similar age.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2013, 01:55:04 PM
That was "Tiny" ("Sophie").
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Post by: Marc on October 14, 2013, 05:36:36 AM
Prince Philipp dancing with his sister Margarethe in Langenburg:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Marg2_zps5a0e6e6a.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Marg2_zps5a0e6e6a.jpg.html)

Princess Margarethe standing in one of the rooms in Langenburg Castle:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Marg1_zps3acc2649.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Marg1_zps3acc2649.jpg.html)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2013, 09:36:41 AM
Pictures taken during the Queen's visit to Langenburg Castle ?
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Post by: Marc on October 14, 2013, 11:30:11 AM
I am not sure,but I think so...The pictures hang in Langenburg auto museum and there is one part dedicated to a car that drove the Queen,which is exhibited also...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2013, 02:26:57 PM
It was a big thing for The Queen to visit Philip's eldest sister. She never once visited the origin of her dynasty Coburg.
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 07, 2013, 07:29:16 AM
Margarita :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422572-margarita1925.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)

Theodora :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422624-1236.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)

Cecile :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422667-ceciliag.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)

Sophie (with husband) :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422732-sophieandhusb.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)

and Philip :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422760-736.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)

Hard to find youth portraits of Sophie alone as if she had less been photographed at the same age as her sisters.
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Post by: Iskenderbey on December 30, 2013, 02:49:13 PM
Princess alice escorted by her son, the duke of Edinburgh :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/269699alicefilipe.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=269699alicefilipe.png)

If anyone ever wonders who P. Charles resembles...look at this picture..
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Post by: Iskenderbey on December 30, 2013, 02:50:36 PM
Alice and Andrew with their elder daughters Margarita and Théodora :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/683236aliceandrewandbabies.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=683236aliceandrewandbabies.jpg)

If anyone wonders where Prince Charles and Pr. Harry get the big ears from...look at this picture of Andrew..
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
Yes Andrew got the ears.
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Post by: Kalafrana on December 31, 2013, 04:00:42 AM
There is a powerful resemblance between Prince Harry and the young Prince Philip.

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2014, 12:14:00 AM
I've always said so. Harry looks more like Charles than William does in my opinion! The rumors only exist because Hewitt has red hair--otherwise there is no resemblance between the 2 at all and a lot between Harry and Charles and Phillip. Their underlying bone structure (brow and nose especially) are very similar. I always thought they look more Battenberg than Greek but, yes, the ears! :)
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 01, 2014, 03:50:25 AM
William doesn't look at all like Charles, but he does look Diana. Harry's hair comes from the Spencers.

Back to Andrew! The ears obviously skipped a generation.

Ann
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Post by: Kalafrana on January 01, 2014, 03:52:57 AM
Still on resemblances, in the same picture Alice looks very like her brother George.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2014, 08:42:42 PM
Yes. Andrew's blondness passed directly into Philip, but the ears went to Charles, who looked more like the Queen.

Yes I agree, the red hair of Harry comes from the Spencers (Harry looks a lot like his Aunt Sarah, Diana's oldest sister).
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Post by: THERRY on February 09, 2014, 11:24:29 AM
My scan from an old magazine
(http://i42.tinypic.com/13z8g7q.jpg)
Teen Philip
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Post by: THERRY on February 09, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
Alice and Philip
(http://i42.tinypic.com/33a565g.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2014, 10:46:29 AM
Prince Philip got good genes from both his parents. :-)
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Post by: Olga Maria on February 14, 2014, 05:13:11 AM
Now I agree that P. Harry looks so much like his grandpa Philip in that teen pic of him! The resemblance is soo strong I can't deny it! Anyways, Alice looks like her mother Victoria in that pic above. Many thanks, Therry for the scans!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2014, 10:51:14 AM
Yes, Although Alice got the looks from her father Louis of Battenberg.
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Post by: Marc on March 27, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
Prince Philip, Prince Andreas and Princess Alice seen by Princess Alexandra of Greece, Queen of Yugoslavia:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48208639/4883706

Fragments from her book "Prince Philip, a family portrait"(1961).