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Title: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2013, 10:55:21 AM
Hello everyone, this discussion was started on a different thread, and FA suggested that I start a new thread here, so here it goes.  

My book is finally completed and almost ready to go. It ended up being quite a different book than was originally planned. Olga's diary entries I translated are only part of it, as I also translated a lot of additional things, like Olga's letters to her father at Stavka from the same time period as the diaries, as well as memoir excerpts of the people who were close to Olga and her family, such as Anna Vyrubova.  You will also find in this book the "other side's" perspective, i.e. Alexander Kerensky's take on the events in 1917.

To continue Olga's story where she left off in March of 1917 - when she abruptly stopped writing in her diary, I translated many entries of Nicholas II's diary, which as many of you know, go well into the family's exile to Siberia and the Urals. And finally, I included Olga's last known letter she wrote to her friend Margarita "Ritka" Khitrovo, which is very rare and which most of you probably have not seen before.

Most of the documents in this book are things that have not been translated into English and published before, so this will not be just another regurgitation of what most of us have already read, although of course some of it may be. The book will include lots of photos, a lot of which have not been published before.

Here is the link on Goodreads:  http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17795465-the-diary-of-olga-romanov

I will be happy to answer any question anyone may have. Thanks!



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Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
BTW, you can visit the book's Facebook page by clicking on my banner below :)
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Post by: LadyHezter on April 13, 2013, 12:07:03 PM
Helen A,that sounds very interesting !
I have already preordered the book at Amazon´s.
Looking forward reading it.

Tamara
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Laura Mabee on April 13, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
Excellent! I am very excited to read this! Thank you Helen for all your hard work!
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
Thank you, Laura!
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Post by: EmmyLee on April 13, 2013, 03:01:14 PM
I definitely want this! Thank you for doing it-- it sounds great. I don't know how LadyHezter preordered it on Amazon; I can't find it on there.
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Post by: Georgiy on April 13, 2013, 03:02:31 PM
Lookin forward to a signed copy!
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2013, 03:12:49 PM
I just realized that right now you can pre-order on Amazon UK but not yet in the US. Here is the link to the UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Helen-Azar/dp/1594161771/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365883886&sr=8-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov

I will let you know when it will be available for pre-order in the US.

Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: koloagirl on April 13, 2013, 03:24:05 PM

Aloha all!

So excited for this book!  I know it is going to be a great addition to my "Romanov" library and in a place of honor!

Cannot wait!   :)

Janet R.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Jen_94 on April 13, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
I'm looking forward to this! Olga's actually my favourite Romanov from OTMA and I'm excited to see a translation of her diaries!
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Post by: Bryndis on April 13, 2013, 11:23:34 PM
If I can't get this book I will cry! I can't wait! Thank you for your hard work!
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: blessOTMA on April 13, 2013, 11:32:10 PM
Can't wait! Thanks for your all  hard work Helen! =)
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 14, 2013, 01:31:10 PM
Oh boy, this is going to be hard to live up to! LOL.

But I don't think you guys will be disappointed, because although this is not a comprehensive book of diaries where every entry is included as it was originally going to be, I feel that the end result turned out even better than that.  I carefully chose the most interesting, insightful and representative parts of the diaries- ones that I felt would give the reader the best idea of what was happening in Olga's life, as well as her mind, at the time. The inclusion of her letters, which are a lot more descriptive than the diaries and are a significant contrast with the former, very effectively supplement the diary entries IMO. And of course interweaving observations of others who were around Olga at the time, give us yet another level of insight.

I really think that this book may be the best way to get to "know" Olga and get the feel of the climate she was living in at the time without actually being there.  
It may sound kind of silly, but after working on these diaries and letters for months on end, which eventually stretched out into years (on and off), I started to feel like I was really getting to know Olga. And even though of course the diaries don't reveal all that much at first glance, taken altogether these documents really allow you to read between the lines, if you will.

It was really quite an experience, because before this project I saw Olga more as another abstract figure from history, but somewhere along the way I really started to feel and see her as a real person. Not sure if this makes sense.  But this is my hope for this book, for the reader to start to "feel" her as a real person, a quite ordinary person even, which is what she was. It sounds like a strange thing to say but I feel that in way Olga's mere ordinariness, while she is expected to be extraordinary somehow, is what makes her special and even interesting.  
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Post by: edubs31 on April 14, 2013, 03:22:17 PM
Well you've really whetted the appetite for this book Helen. I too will be ordering it soon and very much look forward to reading!

From my previous readings and knowledge of Olga I find her to be 'extraordinarily ordinary'. Charming, sweet, sensitive, grounded, unpretentious, and (in her later years at least) devoid of petulance in a way many other royals were not. I've always been struck how 'current' OTMA seems, and perhaps Olga in particular. A sort of bridge from the post-Victorian world to the modern age and attitude of young women.

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It was really quite an experience, because before this project I saw Olga more as another abstract figure from history, but somewhere along the way I really started to feel and see her as a real person. Not sure if this makes sense.  But this is my hope for this book, for the reader to start to "feel" her as a real person, a quite ordinary person even, which is what she was. It sounds like a strange thing to say but I feel that in way Olga's mere ordinariness, while she is expected to be extraordinary somehow, is what makes her special and even interesting.
 

Of course it does! And I think engaging in activities such as writing and painting/art naturally bring us closer to our subjects. I'm glad you enjoyed your journey and look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor...best of luck with it!

Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 14, 2013, 03:29:22 PM

From my previous readings and knowledge of Olga I find her to be 'extraordinarily ordinary'. Charming, sweet, sensitive, grounded, unpretentious, and (in her later years at least) devoid of petulance in a way many other royals were not. I've always been struck how 'current' OTMA seems, and perhaps Olga in particular. A sort of bridge from the post-Victorian world to the modern age and attitude of young women.

Yes, you hit the nail right on the head! Olga was extraordinarily ordinary. And yes, all of the girls seemed much more modern than one would imagine... Even in in a lot of their photos they look curiously modern... I have seen photos of them wearing clothes which could have come out of the Lands End catalogue :)

Of course it does! And I think engaging in activities such as writing and painting/art naturally bring us closer to our subjects. I'm glad you enjoyed your journey and look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor...best of luck with it!

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on April 14, 2013, 04:05:27 PM
Waiting impatiently for this! I'm excited to learn it contains even more than diary entries.

And don't feel cheesy for saying Olga seems real to you now, we all feel that way.  ;) I don't think anyone who sees her as an abstract historical figure would be so excited to read this book as we are.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Lady Macduff on April 14, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
This looks wonderful. Always happy to read anything about my favorite grand duchess. :)
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 17, 2013, 11:42:01 AM
This looks wonderful. Always happy to read anything about my favorite grand duchess. :)

Thank you, I don't think you will be disappointed :)
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: blessOTMA on April 18, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
After working with Olga's words for so long,  and indeed, translating them from one language to another, I can well believe you were brought to a sense of understanding and emotions that are at times difficult to articulate . It's my contention that our words carry a good deal that is communicated on a subconscious level and those messages take time to emerge from the heart and mind . 

Just the choice between one word and not another, denotes a great deal if we but take the time to 
consider . Translating gives one that time and opportunity

What I've seen of  your translation work  is  excellent and so can't wait for this and the other documents
that were here to for only in Russian.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 19, 2013, 02:11:45 PM
What I've seen of  your translation work  is  excellent and so can't wait for this and the other documents
that were here to for only in Russian.

When I translate, I try to not only come up with a literal translation of the words, but also choose the right word combination to convey the original feeling of the writer's own words. It's almost an intuitive skill, but you really do get better at it the more translations you do. Diary and letter translations are especially tricky to translate because they are so much more personal and subjective than a regular document.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: TimM on April 20, 2013, 04:07:33 PM
I'm happy for you, Helen, that your book is coming out.  It sounds really good.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: rgt9w on April 20, 2013, 08:41:02 PM
Dear Helen,

I am looking forward to adding your new book to my collection. I am sure it will be an excellent addition to Romanov research.

I had one question about researching your new book.  What has happened to Olga's letters over time? Are most of Olga's letters in archives or collections within Russia or are they scattered in collections around the globe?

Wishing you much success with the book.

Roy
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 21, 2013, 07:43:06 PM
Helen, "excited' is a word I rarely use about new books, but yours about Olga  has got me so (platonically-speaking, of course). I am confident I won't  be disappointed.
Title: Re: Book about Olga Nikolaevna
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 22, 2013, 01:12:40 PM
Dear Helen,

I am looking forward to adding your new book to my collection. I am sure it will be an excellent addition to Romanov research.

I had one question about researching your new book.  What has happened to Olga's letters over time? Are most of Olga's letters in archives or collections within Russia or are they scattered in collections around the globe?

Wishing you much success with the book.

Roy

Thank you, Roy. The Russian Archives (GARF) still has a lot of of her letters, along with the diaries. Many may have been destroyed, it's hard to say... It probably depends who she sent them to and what ended up happening to the recipient. Luckily Olga was a fairly prolific letter writer so at least some of them survived.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: matushka on April 30, 2013, 05:06:52 AM
Impatiently waiting for your book! Helen, I have a question: do you include in your book many entries and letters that were never published at all, for example not published in "Sisters of mercy"? Or is the material quite similar? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 30, 2013, 11:01:53 AM
Impatiently waiting for your book! Helen, I have a question: do you include in your book many entries and letters that were never published at all, for example not published in "Sisters of mercy"? Or is the material quite similar? Thank you in advance!

Yes, there is a significant amount of that, as well as many primary sources that were published in Russian only but never translated into English.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 30, 2013, 11:44:01 AM
BTW, you can also see some of Olga's diary entries that were never published before, but which will not be included in the book on my Facebook page. Here is the latest one I posted today:  https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-23-1916/10151581449449834. I will be regularly posting more of them if you follow the daily posts on the page :). https://www.facebook.com/pages/1913-1917-Diaries-of-Grand-Duchess-Olga-Nikolaevna-Romanov/113360175379921?fref=ts
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 01, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
Today's never-before published diary entry https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-26-1916/10151583198584834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: edubs31 on May 01, 2013, 11:49:25 AM
Neat stuff Helen!

Dumb question, and one I should probably know. But is/was it customary for people to refer to the times of day using 11 1/2, or 11 1/4, instead of 11:30, 11:15, etc, and when did things change over? I realize people often say "quarter of" or "half past" still today, but I guess I don't remember ever having read it numerically that way.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Georgiy on May 01, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
There is still big variation. We would say quarter to, instead of quarter of, and plenty of people would say half two instead of half past two.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: matushka on May 02, 2013, 01:55:42 AM
Today's never-before published diary entry https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-26-1916/10151583198584834

That's the good news of the day! Thanks for this new tresure-entry!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
Neat stuff Helen!

Dumb question, and one I should probably know. But is/was it customary for people to refer to the times of day using 11 1/2, or 11 1/4, instead of 11:30, 11:15, etc, and when did things change over? I realize people often say "quarter of" or "half past" still today, but I guess I don't remember ever having read it numerically that way.

Olga went went back and forth in her diaries, as did her father... I guess it was just a matter of preference! :)  Sometimes they would use 11 1/4, for example; at other times it would be 11.15.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2013, 10:37:51 AM
And here is today's dairy entry: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-27-1916/10151585031124834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: edubs31 on May 02, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
Neat stuff Helen!

Dumb question, and one I should probably know. But is/was it customary for people to refer to the times of day using 11 1/2, or 11 1/4, instead of 11:30, 11:15, etc, and when did things change over? I realize people often say "quarter of" or "half past" still today, but I guess I don't remember ever having read it numerically that way.

Olga went went back and forth in her diaries, as did her father... I guess it was just a matter of preference! :)  Sometimes they would use 11 1/4, for example; at other times it would be 11.15.

Interesting. I wonder why the lack of consistency for something so basic as telling time. Oh those silly Russians with their time's of day and there old school calendars! :-)

What if something happened in her diary at, say 11:38. Would she have been compelled to write it as 11 19/30, or maybe 11.63? lol.

Another nice Olga post today by the way. Thanks Helen!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2013, 12:39:35 PM
I wonder why the lack of consistency for something so basic as telling time.

IMO, consistency wasn't really so high on the priority list in their diaries. Another example of inconsistency is that Olga would sometimes capitalize terms like "Vsenoshnaya" (a religious service) and at other times did not...  Often you could tell by the way she was writing that she was in a hurry and doing it fast just to sort of get it over with, as part of her duty to write in her diary every single day. At other times, she would go into a lot more detail, her handwriting looks more careful, and she would even mention her feelings here and there - unusual for royal diaries, which normally just record facts. So it probably all depended on her mood that day and what happened that day, and what she was recording. When you are reading the actual  written text of the diary as opposed to its published text, there is a lot more you can pick up on, it is a lot easier to "read between the lines", so to speak.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2013, 12:45:26 PM
What if something happened in her diary at, say 11:38. Would she have been compelled to write it as 11 19/30, or maybe 11.63? lol.

Actually she would probably have written 11.40 or 11.30 or 11 1/2 :)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 03, 2013, 08:17:19 AM
Today's diary entry: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-28-1916/10151586572254834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 06, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Today's diary entry: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-december-30-1916/10151591989184834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2013, 04:39:56 PM
Olga's diary entry for 3 January, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-3-1917/10151594884409834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 09, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
Olga's diary: January 6, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-6-1917/10151595934584834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 10, 2013, 09:59:10 AM
Olga's diary: January 8, 1917.  https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-8-1917/10151597585824834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 12, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
Olga's diary: January 11, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-11-1917/10151601425939834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 13, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
Olga's diary. January 12, 1917.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-12-1917/10151603058684834

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 14, 2013, 02:08:42 PM
Olga's diary: January 13, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-13-1917/10151604896299834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on May 16, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
This thread is a great example of the fabulousness of AP forum...thanks Helen!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 19, 2013, 03:08:25 PM
Thank you very much!

Here is something a little different. In 1916, the famous Russian poet, Sergei Yesenin, dedicated this poem to the grand duchesses for their nursing efforts at the infirmary. I translated it today and will include it in the book I think, since it would be appropriate.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/in-1916-the-russian-poet-sergei-yesenin-dedicated-this-poem-to-the-grand-duchess/10151613270999834

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Post by: edubs31 on May 19, 2013, 05:07:19 PM
Thank you very much!

Here is something a little different. In 1916, the famous Russian poet, Sergei Yesenin, dedicated this poem to the grand duchesses for their nursing efforts at the infirmary. I translated it today and will include it in the book I think, since it would be appropriate.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/in-1916-the-russian-poet-sergei-yesenin-dedicated-this-poem-to-the-grand-duchess/10151613270999834


How lovely! It must have been very inspiring to have them walk among you while bed ridden and injured.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 20, 2013, 10:17:57 AM
Yes, I would imagine so!  :)

Here is today's entry: January 14, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-14-1917/10151614641989834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 21, 2013, 01:51:07 PM
Olga's diary. January 16, 1917.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-16-1917/10151616662509834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 22, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
January 18. 1917.   https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/olgas-diary-january-18-1917/10151617977984834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 22, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
From a letter to Rita Khitrovo. Tobolsk, Winter 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527722643943670&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 23, 2013, 09:03:48 AM
Olga's diary. January 19, 1917.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=528029763912958&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 29, 2013, 11:31:37 AM
In honor of Grand Duchess Tatiana's birthday, May 29th.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=530600133655921&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

and  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=530600136989254&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Sarushka on May 29, 2013, 11:40:42 AM
Pleas pardon my nitpick:
Tatiana was born 29 May old style -- today is 16 May old style.
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 29, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
I used 29th of May to match the date in the letters. But I will post another birthday tribute on the corresponding June date (10 June) if it will make you happy ;) :)

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 30, 2013, 03:58:29 PM
Here is a letter from Aleksei to Anna Vyrubova, written in January of 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=530984216950846&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

and a very brief one, in November of 1917: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=530984213617513&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater .
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Post by: Helen_Azar on May 31, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
Olga's diary. 24 January, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=531504746898793&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

Aleksei's letter to tutor Pyotr Vasilevich. 19 December, 1917, in Tobolsk: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=531448510237750&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 03, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
Olga's diary. January 12, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533074076741860&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

Letter from Marie to her siblings who stayed in Tobolsk. 14/17 April, 1918.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=532964786752789&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 04, 2013, 02:45:27 PM
Here are two more letters from Maria...

To a friend, from Tobolsk: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533368246712443&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

And to Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia and Aleksei from Yekaterinburg: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533371293378805&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1

And one more "nurse" drawing by Olga while working at the infirmary: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533076373408297&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 04, 2013, 06:49:29 PM
This is one of my favorite diary entries. Olga's diary, January 3, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533478226701445&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

And one more, January 13, 1917: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533474123368522&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 06, 2013, 09:54:57 AM
Aleksei to Kolya Derevenko. March, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534308809951720&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater&notif_t=photo_comment
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 06, 2013, 10:29:53 AM
Olga's diary. January 8, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534314706617797&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on June 06, 2013, 03:38:35 PM
Olga's diary. January 8, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534314706617797&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater

That's interesting. Note that Carol of Rumania was in Tsarskoe Selo, 1/8/1917, for breakfast with the IF. Olga still doesn't seem too sympathetic, with a possibly sarcastic , "with his large retinue." I wonder how political this visit was, with the prospect of Rumania entering the war. Or might it have been more of a dynastic or family thing?

Enjoying these postings very much, Helen.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 07, 2013, 10:27:19 AM
IMO, Olga was just stating the facts and left her opinions out of it in this entry. Carol of Romania was there, and had a lot of people with him.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 07, 2013, 11:25:41 AM
IMO, Olga was just stating the facts and left her opinions out of it in this entry. Carol of Romania was there, and had a lot of people with him.

In the style of royal diary writing in those day, they didn't generally state their opinions, just facts. But I often noticed in Olga's diaries you can in fact "read between the lines" so to speak, and you can figure a lot of things by HOW she stated these facts. And once a while she definitely did write down her feelings and opinions on something or other... Especially in the later entries. She talked very emotionally about Rasputin's death for instance...
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 07, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
Olga's diary. January 14, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534786669903934&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 07, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Olga's diary. January 16, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534789923236942&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 07, 2013, 02:40:33 PM
This is one of my favorite diary entries:

Olga's diary. December 30, 1916. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=534805339902067&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 09, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
Olga's diary.  January 26, 1917:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=535515893164345&set=pb.113360175379921.-2207520000.1370806626.&type=3&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 09, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
Olga's diary. December 21, 1916. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=535500676499200&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 10, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Just for you, Sarushka ;)   In honor of the birthday of Grand Duchess Tatiaina Nikolaevna (10 June, 1897 New Style): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=535941426455125&set=pb.113360175379921.-2207520000.1370895036.&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 10, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
Tatiana to Nicholas II. November 25, 1914. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=535983439784257&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 10, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
Olga's diary. January 27, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=535994539783147&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 10, 2013, 07:39:05 PM
Nicholas II's diary entry on Tatiana's last birthday, May 29/June 10, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=536033216445946&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 11, 2013, 11:22:29 AM
Olga's diary. January 28, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=536301089752492&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 12, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
Olga's diary. January 29, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=536651329717468&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 14, 2013, 12:06:21 PM
Olga's diary. January 30, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537470996302168&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 15, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
Olga's diary. January 31, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537807512935183&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 18, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Diary entries by Anastasia's parents on her last birthday. June 18, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539105182805416&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 21, 2013, 03:46:25 PM
Olga to her father from Tobolsk. APril 12, 1918.

FROM THE BOOK "LE TSAREVICH, ENFANT MARTYR" by Princess Eugenie of Greece. Translated from the French by Eva and Dan McDonald.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=540440879338513&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on June 21, 2013, 05:36:12 PM
Olga to her father from Tobolsk. APril 12, 1918.

FROM THE BOOK "LE TSAREVICH, ENFANT MARTYR" by Princess Eugenie of Greece. Translated from the French by Eva and Dan McDonald.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=540440879338513&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater

Thank god for the treasure trove from this book. It was very painful for the family  to be separated and frankly not knowing if
the 2  groups  would be as one again. If fact that was their worse nightmare:  that somehow Russia in 1918 would sallow  up their loved ones before they could meet again...as it did so many.  But what human documents these letters are and just before the family  was  silenced forever . We have so little from this time other wise
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 23, 2013, 02:03:11 PM
Anastasia to Nicholas, from Tobolsk to Ekaterinburg. April 12, 1918. [Translated by Eva "amelia" and Dan McDonald] 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541151392600795&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 24, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
This is a really good one! Olga to Alexandra, from Tobolsk. Palm Sunday, 1918.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541649352550999&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 24, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
Olga is continuing the previous letter the next day, April 28, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541655652550369&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 24, 2013, 07:21:32 PM
Just wanted to let you guys know that the book is now available for pre-order on Amazon UK:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Witness-Revolution/dp/1594161771/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372119069&sr=1-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov

As well as Amazon Canada: http://www.amazon.ca/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Witness-Revolution/dp/1594161771/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372119432&sr=8-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov

And in Australia: https://www.seekbooks.com.au/book/The-Diary-of-Olga-Romanov/isbn/9781594161773.htm

Soon to be available for pre-order on amazon.com US, but in the meantime you can sign up to be notified: http://www.amazon.com/The-Diary-Olga-Romanov-Revolution/dp/1594161771

Will also be available shortly from here (in the US): http://www.textbooksrus.com/search/BookDetail/?isbn=1594161771&kbid=1067

It will also be available at Barnes & Noble after it's released and some other bookstores.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: edubs31 on June 24, 2013, 11:18:49 PM
Just clicked on the button to be notified a moment ago. Looking forward to it, and best of luck with it Helen!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on June 25, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
Thanks for the update on availability Helen!!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: amelia on June 25, 2013, 06:57:26 AM
Good luck Helen, will buy mine from Paul Gilbert.

Amelia
Eva McDonald
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 26, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
Olga to Ekaterinburg, May 2, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542341389148462&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater

Olga to Ekaterinburg continued the next day, May 3, 1918. Good Friday.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542341392481795&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 27, 2013, 11:28:57 AM
Slight correction for the above: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542620139120587&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&permPage=1
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 28, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Olga's letter to Ekaterinburg. April 22/ May 5, 1918: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543117312404203&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 29, 2013, 08:14:06 AM
Olga's letter to Ekaterinburg. April 22/ May 5, 1918 continued:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543345889048012&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Ortipo on July 01, 2013, 12:29:28 PM
Thank you Helen for all of the posts.  I am looking forward to purchasing this book very soon.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 01, 2013, 04:51:23 PM
Postcard from Maria to Anastasia from Ekaterinburg. April 19/May 2, 1918:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=544236438958957&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
If anyone is interested, Christina Croft did an interview with me about the book, here it is:  http://christinacroft.blogspot.co.uk/ . If you anyone has any other questions, I will be happy to try to answer them here.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: tian79 on July 02, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
If anyone is interested, Christina Croft did an interview with me about the book, here it is:  http://christinacroft.blogspot.co.uk/ . If you anyone has any other questions, I will be happy to try to answer them here.

Very interesting interview. I'll preorder the book right away! : )

About the code Olga used in her diaries. I thought the code was cracked, at least the code Olga used in her diary of 1913.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 01:42:44 PM
Maria from Ekaterinburg. April 22/May 5, 1918.  https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/maria-from-ekaterinburg-april-22may-5-1918/10151695896024834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 01:43:28 PM
About the code Olga used in her diaries. I thought the code was cracked, at least the code Olga used in her diary of 1913.

If it was, I was not aware of it. If you have any information about that, please let me know. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Marie-Catherine on July 02, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
Thanks for your hard work Helen, I can't wait to buy the book. I love reading the daily Romanov lettre on Facebook.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 02:08:19 PM
Tatiana to Ekaterinburg. April 24th/May 7th, 1918. https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/tatiana-to-ekaterinburg-april-24thmay-7th-1918/10151695916799834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 04:12:22 PM
Thanks for your hard work Helen, I can't wait to buy the book. I love reading the daily Romanov lettre on Facebook.

You are very welcome!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2013, 04:13:20 PM
Thank you Helen for all of the posts.  I am looking forward to purchasing this book very soon.

You are very welcome! Book should be available for pre-order on Amazon US next week (or so the publisher tells me). :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: tian79 on July 03, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
About the code Olga used in her diaries. I thought the code was cracked, at least the code Olga used in her diary of 1913.

If it was, I was not aware of it. If you have any information about that, please let me know. Thanks! :)

Some of the entries have been decoded in "Nicholas & Alexandra At Home with the Last Tsar and His Family".

I took this picture from a book in Moscow in 2009. I can't remember the name of the book, perhaps it was the new edition of "The Romanovs and the Crimea".

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/tian79/Romanov/25042009.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/user/tian79/media/Romanov/25042009.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on July 03, 2013, 01:57:24 AM
Yes, it probably is. I have a copy of the German language edition of this book, "De Romanows auf der Krim", and this picture can be found on page 260.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 03, 2013, 08:11:40 AM

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/tian79/Romanov/25042009.jpg) (http://s424.photobucket.com/user/tian79/media/Romanov/25042009.jpg.html)

Thanks! I wonder if I can try to decode the ones I have too based on this :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 03, 2013, 08:17:32 AM
Is this the book? http://krymology.info/index.php/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC_%28%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%29    Anyone know where I can pick up a copy for a reasonable price?  Or if anyone has it, would it be possible to scan the pages dealing with the code and email them to me? Thanks!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on July 03, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
Yes, that's the book - same cover. The picture is used as an illustration in the chapter about Olga's feelings for Pavel Voronov, which includes only a few lines specifically about the code.

Do you read German, or are you interested in scans from the Russian edition only?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 08, 2013, 05:31:39 PM
Yes, that's the book - same cover. The picture is used as an illustration in the chapter about Olga's feelings for Pavel Voronov, which includes only a few lines specifically about the code.

Do you read German, or are you interested in scans from the Russian edition only?

I got the pages I needed, Svetabel was kind enough to send them to me. Thank you!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 08, 2013, 05:32:36 PM
From Olga, Tatiana and Anastasia to Ekaterinburg. April 25/May 8, 1918.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/from-olga-tatiana-and-anastasia-to-ekaterinburg-april-25may-8-1918-translated-by/10151707757619834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 08, 2013, 05:39:20 PM
The picture is used as an illustration in the chapter about Olga's feelings for Pavel Voronov, which includes only a few lines specifically about the code.

I will try to decode the coded lines in the 1915 diary, but unfortunately it doesn't look like all lettersare presented in the sample but only about 1/3 of them, so I may not be able to do it... I don't have a lot of time before the book goes to print, so I may not be able to do it... But perhaps it will be an interesting exercise for the reader to do - try to decode what she wrote, as I plan on including the image of the code the way it was written in her diary in the book  ;)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: EmmyLee on July 09, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Any idea when the book will be available for pre-order in the U.S.?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on July 10, 2013, 10:43:18 PM
I plan on including the image of the code the way it was written in her diary in the book  ;)

Great idea.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 11, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
Any idea when the book will be available for pre-order in the U.S.?

Apparently there has been a technical glitch on US feed, including on Amazon and some other distribution sites, but the publisher is working on it, and it should be very soon!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 11, 2013, 01:48:40 PM
I have an interesting exercise for those of you who may be good at cracking codes... As seen on this thread earlier, Olga occasionally wrote in code in her diaries, and apparently this code has been cracked, but as far as I know only certain letters of the code have been published, not all.

Here I have an excerpt from her 1915 diary written in this code, and would like to be able to include what it says in the book before it goes to press. If someone here is able to do it, you will get a honorable acknowledgement as well as a free copy of the book. If you don't know Cyrillic, it's not a problem, if you can figure out which letter is which, I can try to do the rest. Here is goes: the cracked code words are on top, while the writing on the bottom is what I need to crack and figure out what she wrote. Not all the letters line up on top image, but you have to count them to see what corresponds to what.

This is Olga's own handwriting, directly from her diary, and I am pretty sure she is talking about one of her love interests, possibly Pavel Voronov... Give it a shot. Thanks!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=548570218525579&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 11, 2013, 02:03:11 PM
Extremely well done by all those cryptanalysts who found the key to not only Olga's code ,but to  the secrets of her heart too, it seems.
 Now's not the time to rest on your laurels though!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 12, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
From Ekaterinburg to Tobolsk. April 26/May 9, 1918. 

https://www.facebook.com/notes/helen-azar/from-ekaterinburg-to-tobolsk-april-26may-9-1918-translated-by-e-and-d-mcdonald-e/10151715261874834
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 12, 2013, 02:56:17 PM
Olga to Ekaterinburg. May 2nd/May 15th, 1918. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=548940315155236&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Antonina on July 13, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
Hi Helen! I have read the coded line yesterday, but for any reason you haven't seen my answer(( I can't use facebook well, so I duplicate it here: "<he>felt sick, it was a shame, <he> couldn't look in eyes to anybody and himself..." - "тошнило было такъ стыдно не могъ никому въ глаза смотреть и самъ". 
Have you got anymore?:) Ilike it!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 13, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
Hi Helen! I have read the coded line yesterday, but for any reason you haven't seen my answer(( I can't use facebook well, so I duplicate it here: "<he>felt sick, it was a shame, <he> couldn't look in eyes to anybody and himself..." - "тошнило было такъ стыдно не могъ никому въ глаза смотреть и самъ". 
Have you got anymore?:) Ilike it!

Thank you so much, I sent you a message on FB :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 13, 2013, 10:24:08 AM



From Ekaterinburg to Tobolsk. April 27th/May 10th, 1918:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549233055125962&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on July 13, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Antonina !!!! You are amazing!!! Thank you!
   
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: edubs31 on July 13, 2013, 11:38:12 AM
Antonina !!!! You are amazing!!! Thank you!
   

Totally! What a great job you did there Antonina!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 13, 2013, 12:12:33 PM
Antonina !!!! You are amazing!!! Thank you!
   

Totally! What a great job you did there Antonina!

She thinks it's very easy, which makes her brilliant :D
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 13, 2013, 03:05:50 PM
From Ekaterinburg to Tobolsk. May 15th, 1918:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549304478452153&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=1&theater&notif_t=like
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 14, 2013, 01:07:31 PM
Last letter from Maria to Tobolsk, May 3rd/May 16th, 1918.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549654088417192&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 14, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
I have an interesting exercise for those of you who may be good at cracking codes...

Well, Helen, and the others out there -- If we are in a code-cracking mood, or mode, perhaps I could also ask your help with one word in a letter from captivity which has puzzled and eluded us for years.

I even returned to Yale to look at the original, thinking that that would help sort out the matter, but it still remains a mystery. Here is the last portion of this letter. (Other than the hard sign, I have not put the old orthography, because I was not certain wether or not it would appear correctly for everyone. I.N.)

From: Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna
To: Julia Alexandrovna Dehn

[Tsarskoe Selo] May 14, 1917

[One word is illegible:]

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/InokNikolai/Royal%20Martyrs/th_Illegible_GD_Olga_to_MHitrovo.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/InokNikolai/media/Royal%20Martyrs/Illegible_GD_Olga_to_MHitrovo.jpg.html)

© Yale University


Russian text:

…Къ сожалению я [этого солдата] ни разу не видела. Мне так жалко Вашего беднаго Дядю. Надеюсь у него это не серьёзно и онъ поправится. А Мими счастливо? Поцелуйте её и Елену Шт. — Какъ неожиданно насчеть Шур. К. и ихъ всехъ, самый __?__ [one word illegible].
Рада что Х. В. здоровъ, такой мил. и хорош. — Поцелуйте Тити. Теперь мне пора. — Все и я крепко, крепко Васъ обнимаемъ, Душка Моя. Храни Васъ Богъ.
Ваша Ольга


English translation:

From: Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna
To: Julia Alexandrovna Dehn*
[Tsarskoe Selo] May 14, 1917

… Unfortunately, I never saw [him] even once. I feel so sorry for your poor Uncle.(1) I hope that it is not serious and that he recovers soon.  Is Mimi happy?(2)  Kiss her and Helen Sht. for us. How unexpected this matter was concerning Shur. K.(3)  and them all, the very (or: “most”) __??__[one word illegible]. I am happy that X. V. is well; he is such a kind, good person.(4)  Kiss Titi for us.(5)  Now I must close. We all embrace you most affectionately, my darling. God preserve you.
Yours,
Olga

*******************

Source: Romanov Collection. General Collection. Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, Yale University.
© Yale University
 
1) Gen. P. N. Yanov, Director of the Imperial palaces at Livadia, near Yalta, in the Crimea, who was quite ill at this time and died later the same year.

2) Maria P. Yanova, J. A. Dehn’s cousin, had recently married General Ivanov-Divov.
 
3) Someone named Alexander Kib.[?]. Apparently this is the same person mentioned in several other letters to J. A. Dehn from the Empress and Grand Duchess Olga. It does not seem to be Alexander Constantinovich Shvedov, of H. I. M. Convoy, whom the Grand Duchesses also called “Shurik”.

4) Captain V. V. Khvoshchinsky of the Garde Équipage.

5) J. A. Dehn’s son, Alexander, the Empress’ godson.

***************************

Any help or solutions will be most appreciated.
Inok Nikolai
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 14, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
Inok, hopefully someone will be able to help! I will take a look later too :)

In the meantime, below is the last of the letters which Eva McDonald ("amelia") so kindly translated and sent me. After this I will go back to posting diary entries again. 

From Ekaterinburg to Tatiana in Tobolsk, May 15th, 1918:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549662758416325&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater
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Post by: Helen_Azar on July 14, 2013, 01:45:22 PM
Looking at it now, it looks a bit like the illegible word may be "Сердечно" but I am not sure...  Or it could be two words: "Перед Ольгой" (?), but again hard to tell.. It could be some abbreviated word or phrase or name too... She used a lot of those in diaries. There doesn't seem to be any context for this so this is a tough one! Good luck :)
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Post by: Antonina on July 15, 2013, 12:59:28 AM
Well, Helen, and the others out there -- If we are in a code-cracking mood, or mode, perhaps I could also ask your help with one word in a letter from captivity which has puzzled and eluded us for years.

Most of all It looks  like "круглый".  "The most round"?... Hmmmm strange! ))) I continue to think.

Reading these rare letters I have a question. Olga wrote 8. 05. 1918: "Nik. Dim. [?] seems attracted to O." Then 15. 05. 1918: "Tell Mashka that I saw N. Dim. and Pimy from afar.". Does it mean Demenkov was in Tobolsk?? Does anybody know?
 
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Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 15, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Well, Helen, and the others out there -- If we are in a code-cracking mood, or mode, perhaps I could also ask your help with one word in a letter from captivity which has puzzled and eluded us for years.

Most of all It looks  like "круглый".  "The most round"?... Hmmmm strange! ))) I continue to think.

Reading these rare letters I have a question. Olga wrote 8. 05. 1918: "Nik. Dim. [?] seems attracted to O." Then 15. 05. 1918: "Tell Mashka that I saw N. Dim. and Pimy from afar.". Does it mean Demenkov was in Tobolsk?? Does anybody know?
 

1) Yes, круглый occurred to me too, but it's difficult to distinguish which loops of letters belong to the words above, and which to the illegible word. As I said, consulting the original at Yale did not resolve the problem.

2) As for Nik. Dim., I have been puzzling over who that might be too. Demenkov could not have been in Tobolsk, since he was ill with appendicitis in Odessa and awaiting an operation -- as is clear from many of the letters to Zinaida Tolstaya.

So, stay tuned...
I. N.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Antonina on July 16, 2013, 02:50:37 AM
2) As for Nik. Dim., I have been puzzling over who that might be too. Demenkov could not have been in Tobolsk, since he was ill with appendicitis in Odessa and awaiting an operation -- as is clear from many of the letters to Zinaida Tolstaya.

He was waiting for an operation in December 1917. So to May he quite could be healthy. How it was said in Russian "he seems attracted to O."? Maybe it mean he has left Odessa? Moreover, I don't think there were two men named Nikolai Dim. whom Maria was interested in. The only strange thing is why Demenkov didn't mention his travel (if it had taken place) in his short memories... He wrote that he recieved the last letter from IF in December.
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Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 16, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
2) As for Nik. Dim., I have been puzzling over who that might be too. Demenkov could not have been in Tobolsk, since he was ill with appendicitis in Odessa and awaiting an operation -- as is clear from many of the letters to Zinaida Tolstaya.

He was waiting for an operation in December 1917. So to May he quite could be healthy. How it was said in Russian "he seems attracted to O."? Maybe it mean he has left Odessa? Moreover, I don't think there were two men named Nikolai Dim. whom Maria was interested in. The only strange thing is why Demenkov didn't mention his travel (if it had taken place) in his short memories... He wrote that he recieved the last letter from IF in December.

Yes, but later letters make it clear that Demenkov was still in Odessa with Rita Khitrovo and Zinaida Tolstaya.
See, for example, G. D. Olga's letter above from Pr. Eugenie's book, dated April 19 / May 2, 1918:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17582.msg525205#msg525205

It states that Demenkov is acting as someone's aid, has still not had the operation, and is on a diet.

So we still need to discover who this other Nik. Dim. is.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 16, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Olga's diary. February 1, 1917. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=550409118341689&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
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Post by: Rodney_G. on July 16, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
Last letter from Maria to Tobolsk, May 3rd/May 16th, 1918.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549654088417192&set=a.540440269338574.1073741840.113360175379921&type=3&theater

This is  quite a revealing letter, more so than appears at first.

Appparently the whitewashing of the windows was more troubling than  we might think. Marie talks about it at length and how it affected the lighting in their entire quarters  and of how it aggravated Alexandra's headache. Marie even dreamt about it almost immediately, and not in a good way..

Also,Marie's casual reference to Sednev is possibly more revealing than almost anything that's been thought of him. Although we knew he was in Ipatiev House from the beginning, the conventional view is of the party quickly being reduced to eleven. The cot difficulties she mentions also highlights the disorganised, almost chaotic nature of  the transfer.

But what struck me most was that Sednev was apparently a really big guy, much too big to fit on a conventional cot. Since we know Nagorny was bigand strong,this adds credence to the theory that their removal by the  Ekaterinburg Soviet was a defensive  precautionary move to eliminate serious physical resistance to whatever measures they were planning.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Antonina on July 16, 2013, 10:22:17 PM
See, for example, G. D. Olga's letter above from Pr. Eugenie's book, dated April 19 / May 2, 1918:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17582.msg525205#msg525205

It states that Demenkov is acting as someone's aid, has still not had the operation, and is on a diet.

Ahh sorry! Of course I missed this letter... But poor man, how could he suffer from appendicitis for 5 months?))
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: blessOTMA on July 18, 2013, 03:30:26 AM
Thinking about those white wash windows give me a headache . Though we are mostly unaware of it, our eyes gain relief  and refreshment from focusing on things at different distances . If you are always looking at one distance, the eye fatigue  and one can imagine that setting off headaches. One just has to think of those bowl of milk windows, the unrelieved sameness,  to start feeling  claustrophobic
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 19, 2013, 01:17:39 PM
Quote

Ahh sorry! Of course I missed this letter... But poor man, how could he suffer from appendicitis for 5 months?))

Yes, that seemed odd to me too. Perhaps it wasn't appendicitis after all?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on July 20, 2013, 09:03:12 AM
Quote
Ahh sorry! Of course I missed this letter... But poor man, how could he suffer from appendicitis for 5 months?))
Yes, that seemed odd to me too. Perhaps it wasn't appendicitis after all?
Do we know how serious his symptoms were? Could he have suffered from rumbling appendicitis / chronic appendicitis? :-\
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumbling_appendicitis)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 20, 2013, 02:55:21 PM
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Do we know how serious his symptoms were? Could he have suffered from rumbling appendicitis / chronic appendicitis? :-\
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumbling_appendicitis)

A distinct possibility. Thanks for bringing this medical condition to our attention.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 22, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
Olga’s diary. February 4, 1917.    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553009904748277&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 22, 2013, 04:05:17 PM
In the meantime, for those of you in the US who are anxious to pre-order the book, you can now do that directly from the publisher: http://www.westholmepublishing.com/the-diary-of-olga-romanov.php
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Post by: edubs31 on July 22, 2013, 04:36:10 PM
In the meantime, for those of you in the US who are anxious to pre-order the book, you can now do that directly from the publisher: http://www.westholmepublishing.com/the-diary-of-olga-romanov.php

Nice! Just pre-ordered my copy a moment ago. Something to look forward to in three months!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 22, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
I will of course continue to keep everyone posted as to when you can pre-order up on Amazon US, which they are still trying to fix.

Also, I have to mention, the book will have a lot more images included than the description states (which for some reason is only 15). It will probably be about triple that amount, and hopefully most will be the lesser seen ones, not the same ones recycled over and over in many Romanov books :)
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Post by: EmmyLee on July 23, 2013, 03:25:46 PM
I'm really looking forward to the release-- I've already pre-ordered it!
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Post by: TheMauveRoom on July 23, 2013, 09:44:04 PM
Oooh! I can't wait!!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 24, 2013, 10:34:10 AM
Olga's diary. February 5, 1917. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553691551346779&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
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Post by: Helen_Azar on July 25, 2013, 09:27:38 AM
Here is an article about the book on my library school alma mater's website: https://comminfo.rutgers.edu/news/mils-grad-is-first-english-translator-of-imperial-russian-diary.html 
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 25, 2013, 10:03:33 AM
Olga's diary. February 6, 1917.   https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=554091521306782&set=a.528470660535535.1073741831.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 29, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
Book is now finally available for pre-order on US amazon.com! "Glitch" has been fixed :)  http://www.amazon.com/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Witness-Revolution/dp/1594161771/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375115705&sr=1-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on July 29, 2013, 07:59:30 PM
Some historical errata:
19 Jan 17 176th Perevolchny Infantry regiment 44th inf Div, XXI corps part of the 12th army at this time
               151th Pyatgorsky   Inf        rgt          38th Inf Div,XIX corps 5th army at this time near Dvinsk

26 may 16 Nicholas to TN South West front capturing 78,000 prisoners this was do to the Brusilov offensive which began 22 May (OS)/4June (NS) 1916. Note both sides  in WW I liked to report how many prisoners they captured along with the number of guns(artillery pieces) and sometimes machine guns.

13 jan 17 Kont Adm Kerdrov Kotr Admiral is Russian for rear Admiral
 
#52 Romania declared war on the central powers on 27 August 1916

25 nov 14 mention is made of the Nizhy Novogorodrey rgt this is most likely the 22nd inf rgt, 6th Inf Div,

29 Jan 17 Romanov is Port Romanov renamed Murmansk Lili von Dehn husband was made captain of the cruiser Varyag in early 1917

Inf-Infantry rgt-regiment div-division

In the December 1916-january 1917 the 12th army of which the 176th Inf rgt was apart of was involved  in what was called the Christmas battles or mitau operation. See the Latvian rifles section in wiki. note in this battle there were a number of instances were Russian troops refused to attack and over 200 were shot as a result.

I hope this is of some interst.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: koloagirl on July 29, 2013, 09:07:50 PM

Aloha all!

Woo Hoo!  Just pre ordered it on Amazon here in the U.S.!

Great to actually "order" it.....cannot wait!

Janet R.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 31, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
Some historical errata:
19 Jan 17 176th Perevolchny Infantry regiment 44th inf Div, XXI corps part of the 12th army at this time
               151th Pyatgorsky   Inf        rgt          38th Inf Div,XIX corps 5th army at this time near Dvinsk

26 may 16 Nicholas to TN South West front capturing 78,000 prisoners this was do to the Brusilov offensive which began 22 May (OS)/4June (NS) 1916. Note both sides  in WW I liked to report how many prisoners they captured along with the number of guns(artillery pieces) and sometimes machine guns.

13 jan 17 Kont Adm Kerdrov Kotr Admiral is Russian for rear Admiral
 
#52 Romania declared war on the central powers on 27 August 1916

25 nov 14 mention is made of the Nizhy Novogorodrey rgt this is most likely the 22nd inf rgt, 6th Inf Div,

29 Jan 17 Romanov is Port Romanov renamed Murmansk Lili von Dehn husband was made captain of the cruiser Varyag in early 1917

Inf-Infantry rgt-regiment div-division

In the December 1916-january 1917 the 12th army of which the 176th Inf rgt was apart of was involved  in what was called the Christmas battles or mitau operation. See the Latvian rifles section in wiki. note in this battle there were a number of instances were Russian troops refused to attack and over 200 were shot as a result.

I hope this is of some interst.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Stardancer on August 13, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
I preordered this on my kindle fire,can I ask when it comes out?  This is my first post. Olga has always been y favorite.  I just finished Road to Ekaitburgh and it was very good book.  It was nice to read of the girls story from their experiences.  It had a dew long moments but all in all a good read.
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Post by: Lucien on August 16, 2013, 02:59:53 AM
Looking forward to it Helen,and don't let any or anyone get near to you,regardless whom!!
Always those with a mean jealous mind that need to be taught a lesson,ignore,ignore fully!
It's yours,and only yours!
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Post by: pumpkinpearl on August 21, 2013, 03:42:36 PM
I just got an e-mail from Amazon with some updates from my wishlist....your book was at the top (I follow your Facebook page; I posted a photo of my Khodynka cup a few months ago).

I'm so antsy to get this book!!!! :D I'm definitely thinking of pre-ordering it.
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Post by: Helen_Azar on August 24, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
Thank you guys!

In the meantime, I just epublished the companion to the Olga book, which for now you can only get as an ebook.  http://www.amazon.com/Last-Romanovs-Their-Words-ebook/dp/B00ER7OVE8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377367646&sr=1-1&keywords=the+last+romanovs+in+their+own+words

Book Description:

Much has been written about the life of the last Imperial family of Russia: Tsar Nicholas II, his wife Tsarina Alexandra, and their five children - Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia and Aleksei.  The entire family, including their personal physician, retainers, and even their pets, became tragic victims of the Bolshevik revolution. They were arrested, exiled, and ultimately secretly murdered in a small cellar of a house in the Urals, in the summer of 1918. In this book, you will follow the events which led up to their eventual tragic fate through personal words of each family member, as well as their close friends and associates. Their letters, diaries, and postcards - many of which have been translated into English here for the first time - tell a unique story, and have yet a lot to reveal.

Translated from Russian by Helen Azar, along with Eva and Dan McDonald, who translated most of the 1918 letters from French, this book offers an extraordinary glimpse into the very private world, and the final years, of the last Russian imperial family - which they chronicle in their own words.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 24, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
I preordered this on my kindle fire,can I ask when it comes out?  This is my first post. Olga has always been y favorite.  I just finished Road to Ekaitburgh and it was very good book.  It was nice to read of the girls story from their experiences.  It had a dew long moments but all in all a good read.

Thanks, please follow my Facebook page for the latest updates :) https://www.facebook.com/DiaryOfOlgaRomanov
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: matushka on August 25, 2013, 05:12:37 AM
Helen,
I am following your facebook page with interest and have ordered the diary! Tell me please, those letters you translated from french into english are those included in The Tsarevich enfant martyrIs there in the second book any material coming directly from the Archives and never published anywhere?
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Post by: koloagirl on August 25, 2013, 05:45:48 PM

Aloha!

Ordered the ebook that Helen Azar wrote entitled "The Last Romanovs, in their Own Words" for my Kindle yesterday and had it delivered.

Wonderful and I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in the Romanovs, or as a companion book for Helen's upcoming book as well!

So exciting!

Janet R.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 26, 2013, 08:01:07 AM
Helen,
I am following your facebook page with interest and have ordered the diary! Tell me please, those letters you translated from french into english are those included in The Tsarevich enfant martyrIs there in the second book any material coming directly from the Archives and never published anywhere?

Yes, they are. Eva and Dan McDonald translated them and were kind enough to let me include them in my book! So this is quite a treat!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 01, 2013, 03:07:43 PM
For those of you who may be interested - I also started a thread for the ebook, "The Last Romanovs: In Their Own Words", here it is: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17724.0  Thanks!

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Post by: EmmyLee on October 21, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
I'm getting really anxious for this book! Any word on exactly when in October it will be published?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 22, 2013, 12:44:54 PM
It was postponed a bit but hopefully before the end of the year! :)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on November 14, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
Just to let you guys know, they will start mailing the Amazon preorders out tomorrow, coincidentally on Olga's birthday!  :)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Diary-Olga-Romanov-Revolution/dp/1594161771/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384469093&sr=8-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov+royal+witness+to+the+russian+revolution
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Post by: TheMauveRoom on November 14, 2013, 06:08:58 PM
So excited!!
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Post by: Georgiy on November 14, 2013, 08:56:44 PM
Helen, not a coincidence - providence!
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Post by: Dru on November 15, 2013, 01:08:21 AM
So excited!!

I second that!  And many congratulations to Helen :)
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Post by: blessOTMA on November 16, 2013, 12:55:06 AM
Helen, not a coincidence - providence!
I  agree! Thrilled to bits this is coming out at last! Thank you Helen!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 16, 2013, 07:56:11 AM
Thanks, guys. Here's to Providence! :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: koloagirl on November 16, 2013, 09:15:39 PM

Aloha all!

I just got my notice today from Amazon that I should have it by November 26th (and I live in Hawai'i!).....so I cannot wait for my copy!!

This is one I've been looking forward to for a very long time indeed.....as have others I know!

Janet R.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 19, 2013, 04:51:03 PM
Now for sale on Paul Gilbert's site in Canada too:  http://www.angelfire.com/pa/imperialrussian/grb/rom300.html
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: koloagirl on November 21, 2013, 01:27:11 AM

Aloha all!

I feel like a kid waiting for Santa Claus....everyday I listen for the mailman outside and go out to grab the mail as soon as I hear it....hoping that my copy will be there.

So far no go, but I do live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, so I guess I'm getting it a little later than some of the other folks who pre ordered also on the mainland.

One of the very few times I feel at a disadvantage to folks on the mainland I must say!  LOL

Anticipation is kind of fun though!  :)

Janet R.
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Post by: edubs31 on November 21, 2013, 07:16:32 AM
Hope it arrives for you in time for the weekend Janet!

My copy came on Monday. I ordered early on from a different publisher then Amazon, so I wonder if that's why I got mine so quickly. Looking forward to digging in over the weekend!
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Post by: matushka on November 21, 2013, 12:50:02 PM
I got my copy today!! Incredible! So quickly from the USA to Moscow! I am happy this evening!
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Post by: Helen_Azar on November 21, 2013, 07:24:21 PM
I got my copy today!! Incredible! So quickly from the USA to Moscow! I am happy this evening!

So glad to hear that! I heard that the post is not so reliable in Russia, but maybe that's not the case anymore?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: matushka on November 23, 2013, 04:24:41 AM
The russian post is, indeed, not reliable at all. You can wait 3 days, 3 weeks or even 3 months! I was lucky this time!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 24, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
The russian post is, indeed, not reliable at all. You can wait 3 days, 3 weeks or even 3 months! I was lucky this time!

Glad you did then! :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: matushka on November 25, 2013, 02:18:12 AM
Currently reading it and having good time... Glad to see find new diary entries, that's the most valuable. The commentaries are thoughtful. I nevertheless would have some observations; they perhaps will of any help for a second edition (I wish it for you!) and for other readers!
26th August 1914: "Sh" is probably not Voronov, but Shvedov, Alexander Konstantinovitch, "Shurik". My opinion.
The "K." Olga is writing about at the end of 1914 and beginning of 1915 (for example 1st January 1915) is not Kiknadze. It is most likely Karangozov, another caucasian guy. Reading the diary for those period, it is evident that Olga was not indifferent to this young officer, though nothing like a Voronov, or a Shakh-Bagov.
P. 23, 21st February 1915: Andrei is not Andrei Vladimirovitch, but Andrei Alexandrovitch, son of Ksenia A. and Alexander Mikhalovitch. (I now understand why Alexander III did not want allow KR call one of his son Andrei: a pity Nicolas II did not continue his father's line on the name question in the Romanov family!)
In the introduction. Nicolas and Alexandra did not make Alexander Palace their permanent residence since 1898. Actually, they lived in the Winter Palace from january to march or april. Then in Tsarkoe Selo till june, then in Peterhof. In the middle of August they go for travel: Crimea, Europa, Poland (Spala and other places for hunting). October or november: back to Tsarskoe, and so on.
The Alexander Palace became their main residence only after 1905.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 26, 2013, 12:28:04 PM
Thanks, matushka! I am going to put together a list of things that need to be corrected for the 2nd edition, including some of the minor things I myself found after the fact. It's incredible how no matter how many times you go over the manuscript, and no matter how many people review or proofread it, in the end you just cannot avoid at least some mistakes! I am hoping that the 2nd edition will be perfect :).

It's often so hard to tell exactly who Olga may be referring to in the diary, so there was also some guess work involved there.  So thanks again for your help!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 26, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
But the important thing is that the translations are correct, it is just some of the footnotes that may need some corrections.. Some of the readers of course are much more knowledgeable about the "characters" in the diary, etc. than I am, and I have no problem admitting this. There are some incredibly knowledgeable people on this forum, like matushka, and I can't hold a candle to them! :)  So if anyone finds any inconsistencies, please let me know and I will make sure to correct them in the next edition, with an acknowledgement of course. Thank you!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Suzanne on December 03, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
I really enjoyed the book - as matushka notes, there are a few corrections required for the footnotes but it's wonderful to read about Olga's life in her own words. As I mention in my review, the diary challenges longstanding stereotypes including the idea that the Czar's daughters had little social life and were constantly supervised by their parents.

Here's my full review

http://www.royalhistorian.com/the-diary-of-olga-romanov-royal-witness-to-the-russian-revolution-by-helen-azar-review/
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 03, 2013, 03:54:05 PM
I really enjoyed the book - as matushka notes, there are a few corrections required for the footnotes but it's wonderful to read about Olga's life in her own words. As I mention in my review, the diary challenges longstanding stereotypes including the idea that the Czar's daughters had little social life and were constantly supervised by their parents.

Here's my full review

http://www.royalhistorian.com/the-diary-of-olga-romanov-royal-witness-to-the-russian-revolution-by-helen-azar-review/

Thanks, Suzanne! Everything will be fixed in the 2nd edition, don't worry! In fact, I understand that the publisher retained a fact checker to  review the MS to make sure all is 100% correct for the next edition :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Georgiy on December 15, 2013, 12:23:15 PM
How annoying. Amazon UK now tells me it won't be shipped until January. I have been so looking forward to this book...
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 15, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
How annoying. Amazon UK now tells me it won't be shipped until January. I have been so looking forward to this book...

Sorry Georigy! You may still get it before then because that's what happened here in US with amazon. Not sure what's going on!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Georgiy on December 16, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
Yikes, it gets worse Helen. Now there is an email from Amazon saying it has cancelled the order. Should have stuck with ordering from the US in the first place.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: KarinK on December 17, 2013, 04:07:50 AM
I received the same email about my order. Amazon UK lists no other sellers, so it looks like creating an Amazon US account and ordering the book from them might be the safest thing to do.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Ortipo on December 19, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
... I am going to put together a list of things that need to be corrected for the 2nd edition...

тяв-тяв!

Bob's surname!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on December 28, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
Helen, thank you very much for this wonderful book! My copy arrived without any delay, and I've enjoyed reading it so far. I think it a valuable source. One thing that struck me is that frictions between Olga and her mother did not find expression in the diary entries included. And touching how she signed many letters to her father "your loyal Elizavetgradetz".

I noticed a question mark after "Uncle Mekko" on page 72, Olga's diary entry for November 30, 1916.  "Uncle Mekko" was probably "Uncle Mekk" / Nicholas Karlovich Mekk.  According to the information in the biographical index of Joseph Fuhrmann's "The Complete Wartime Correspondence of Tsar Nicholas II and the Empress Alexandra",  Nicholas Karlovich Mekk was a "member of Elizabeth Feodorovna's committee to aid families of those called to Russian military service in the war, glasnaya of zemstvo of Moscow gubernaya, chairman board Moscow-Kazan Railroad Co."

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Kassafrass on December 28, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
I received a giftcard to Amazon for Christmas and this was the first book I went to order (the second was "Four Sisters" by Helen Rappaport). I am now anxiously awaiting and checking the tracking number constantly as I can't wait for it to come.

Reading the own words of my favorite grand duchess will surely be a treat.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 29, 2013, 02:25:12 PM
Helen, thank you very much for this wonderful book! My copy arrived without any delay, and I've enjoyed reading it so far. I think it a valuable source. One thing that struck me is that frictions between Olga and her mother did not find expression in the diary entries included. And touching how she signed many letters to her father "your loyal Elizavetgradetz".

I noticed a question mark after "Uncle Mekko" on page 72, Olga's diary entry for November 30, 1916.  "Uncle Mekko" was probably "Uncle Mekk" / Nicholas Karlovich Mekk.  According to the information in the biographical index of Joseph Fuhrmann's "The Complete Wartime Correspondence of Tsar Nicholas II and the Empress Alexandra",  Nicholas Karlovich Mekk was a "member of Elizabeth Feodorovna's committee to aid families of those called to Russian military service in the war, glasnaya of zemstvo of Moscow gubernaya, chairman board Moscow-Kazan Railroad Co."

Thank you very much Helen for this info!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 29, 2013, 02:26:49 PM
I received a giftcard to Amazon for Christmas and this was the first book I went to order (the second was "Four Sisters" by Helen Rappaport). I am now anxiously awaiting and checking the tracking number constantly as I can't wait for it to come.

Reading the own words of my favorite grand duchess will surely be a treat.

Wonderful, hope you enjoy it!

As for cancelled orders, I think that has been resolved? Please let me know if anyone else comes across this issue. Happy New Year!

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on December 30, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
Olga's diary entry for 30 November 1916 may be more interesting than I thought :
Grand Duchess Elizabeth stated that she had a final, decisive conversation about Rasputin with the Tsar and Tsarina in December 1916. Rasputin was killed on 16/29 December 1916. In telegrams to Zinaida Yusupova and GD Dmitri Pavlovich, GD Elizabeth stated that she had returned on 17 December from a ten-day retreat in a convent. This reduces the window for the last meeting between the Empress and GD Elizabeth to 1-7 December. In chapter 25 of his “The Great War”, Spiridovich claimed that this visit took place on 3 December. However, neither Tsar Nicholas nor Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna mentioned such a visit on 3 December in their diaries. I haven't found any evidence of such a visit on 2-7 December in “Avgusteyshie Sestry Miloserdiya” either, nor in Tsar Nicholas' diaries nor in the wartime correspondence between Tsar Nicholas and his wife. On the other hand, Tsar Nicholas, Olga Nikolaevna and Maria Nikolaevna do mention that GD Elizabeth visited them on 30 November / 1 December. This suggests that the date mentioned by Spiridovich may not be correct.

According to the diaries of GD Olga and Tsar Nicholas, GD Elizabeth arrived from Moscow in the afternoon of 30 November, early enough for her to have tea with the family. She then had dinner with them and seems to have left only around dinner time on the next day. If the last meeting between the Empress and GD Elizabeth actually took place on 30 November / 1 December, GD Elizabeth's allegation that she had been “kicked out like a dog” seems rather exaggerated, considering the length of her stay and the fact that she had invited herself at such a difficult time and had not come for a pleasant chat, but to criticize her sister.

Helen, do you have Olga's diary entry for 1 December 1916? Did she provide any further details with regard to GD Elizabeth's and/or the Empress's activities during 1 December?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 30, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
All good points, Helen. This is why IMO, diaries are so much more relaible than memoirs or autobiographies, as we all misremember things years later, but when you are keeping a diary, it's all done on the same day and is much more accurate!

I will have to check which diary entries I have in my posession right now as I had to return the photocopies of the diary pages which I used for translating to the person who originally got them for me; later I ended up requesting some of my own copies directly from GARF, but not all of them, so I may not have the December 1, 1916 entry... I do know that Olga's very last diary book started on December 11th, 1916  and ended about 1/3 of way on March 15, 1917 - I had all the pages from that one. But I am not sure if I ever even had all the pages from the previous book which contained the first week of December, 1916, because the diary copies from the rest of the books were handed to me with most pages out of order, they were a huge mess and it took me weeks to just get them in some sort of a workable order... Unfortunately a good number of the diary pages turned out to be missing once I did that... I will double check though and let you know!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: rudy3 on December 30, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
Besides diaries and memoirs there still is another good source: the daily newspapers. In this matter we can read in Novoe Vremya December 1st 1916 page 7, that GD Elizaveta Feodorovna had arrived by train from Moscow on November 30th. From the railway station she first went to the St Peter and Paul Cathedral to pay her respects to the grave of Alexander III. Then she visited the Chapel of Our Savior (on Nevsky Prospekt, between the Gostiny Dvor and the Municipal Council (Gosudarstvennaya Duma), it was demolished in 1929), the Kazan Cathedral, also on Nevsky, the Ioannovsky Convent (founded by St John of Kronstadt, still excisting, on Karpovka canal), and the Nikolo-Alexandrovsky church (on Prospekt Bakunina, demolished in 1932),and only after these visits she went to Tsarskoe Selo.

In next day's paper, on page 7 there is a short notice: On Dec 1st GD Elizaveta Feodorovna had left for Moscow.

In Russia, before the Revolution, and later, in the Soviet Union, people learned to read between the lines. Maybe in this case, due to the shortness of this second notice, they could understand, that the visit of GD Elizaveta had not been a success?

Rudy
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Kassafrass on December 30, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
All these different sources are absolutely invaluable. Newspapers, diaries, letters, memoirs.. they all bring something new to the table and in many different ways.

I received my book today and I can't wait to start reading it. There are so many different events that we know of from letters from other people (such as when Olga broke the window and Maria wrote about it in a letter) and I'm looking forward to seeing if Olga mentions any of them in her diaries.

It also warms my heart to see Helen and Sarah mention so many people fro AP in their acknowledgements.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen on December 31, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Helen, it appears to have been quite a complicated job to gather and sort out Olga’s diaries entries. I keep my fingers crossed that you have her notes for 1 December 1916. If not, too bad.

If this visit was indeed Alexandra's and Elizabeth's last meeting, their disagreement probably ruined the atmosphere.  Olga wrote that the Empress had serious discussions with Uncle Mekk on 30 November 1916. It makes one wonder whether the atmosphere of these discussions with Mekk affected that of the conversation between the Empress and her sister - or vice versa.

Rudy, dank je wel, thank you for this information about the hours spent by DG Elizabeth in Petrograd! How interesting that GD Elizabeth chose to visit no less than 5(!) churches in the bustling city - to pray, network or do other things - before finally going to Tsarskoe Selo.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Lady Macduff on January 02, 2014, 03:53:42 PM
Something that confused me. Apologies is this has been discussed before. March 28, 1917 is the first time Nicholas mentions Colonel Kobylinsky. Olga never mentions him, and the footnote identifies him as the new commandant in Tobolsk. But he was at Tsarskoe too, correct?

Another related thing: On page 97 there is an excerpt from Kerensky that says, "The first commandant I chose, Korovichenko, occasionally would exasperate the imperial family with [his] stares and blatant crudeness, [which are] often common to shy people." This is the first time I am hearing of anyone by that name. Does anyone have any more information on him?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Kassafrass on January 02, 2014, 07:03:46 PM
Olga appears to have stopped writing in her diary on 15 March 1917, the day her father abdicated. So if Kobylinsky comes in after the house arrest, she wouldn't have written about him.

As for Korovichenko I never heard anything about him either, but he is mentioned again on page 99 in a memoir from Anna V: "In tears I appealed to the commandmant Korovichenko to allow me to say goodbye to the Empress..."
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 04, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
Something that confused me. Apologies is this has been discussed before. March 28, 1917 is the first time Nicholas mentions Colonel Kobylinsky. Olga never mentions him, and the footnote identifies him as the new commandant in Tobolsk. But he was at Tsarskoe too, correct?

Another related thing: On page 97 there is an excerpt from Kerensky that says, "The first commandant I chose, Korovichenko, occasionally would exasperate the imperial family with [his] stares and blatant crudeness, [which are] often common to shy people." This is the first time I am hearing of anyone by that name. Does anyone have any more information on him?


In a letter of May 28, 1917, Empress Alexandra Feodorovna told A. V. Syroboyarsky that she was “less shy of the new commandant”, and thus wrote more candidly to Syroboyarsky.

Mr. E. E. Alferieff, editor of the Russian "Letters From Captivity", put the following footnote:

By “new commandant”, the Empress is refering to Colonel E. S. Kobylinsky.

Here it would be appropriate to make mention of those persons who at this time exercised direct authority over the Imperial family. These were the commandant of the Alexander Palace, where the Royal Prisoners were being held under arrest, and the commander of the guard detail.

On March 8/21, the day of Their Majesties' arrest, Second [Cavalry] Captain Kotsebue was designated as Palace commandant, and Col. Kobylinsky as commander of the guards. Soon, however — after two or three weeks — Kotsebue was dismissed because of his sympathy for the prisoners, and Col. Kobylinsky temporarily served as commandant. At the end of March he was replaced by Lt. Col. Korovichenko, whom Kerensky had appointed to the post.

P. A. Korovichenko — a military jurist by education, and a lawyer by profession — was the personal friend of Kerensky and his like-minded associate. Within the Alexander Palace he wielded absolute authority. Being coarse, tactless, and ill-mannered, Korovichenko did not know how to conduct himself properly, and, although he himself did the prisoners no harm, nevertheless, the Imperial family did not care for him. At the end of May he voluntarily relinquished his post, having received a higher position thanks to his connections with the revolutionaries. It was this semi-civilian, a mere lieutenant colonel, whom the Provisional Government appointed as commander of the troops, first of the Kazan Military District, and then of that of Tashkent — where subsequently he was brutally murdered by the Bolsheviks.

After Korovichenko's departure on May 26, Kobylinsky was appointed commandant, concerning whom the Empress often speaks with such great warmth, as is evident from the present letter.

Colonel E. S. Kobylinsky was a valiant officer of the Petrograd Life-Guard Regiment. While serving at the front he was wounded, but upon recovering he returned to his post and was again wounded, suffering a severe concussion. He once again returned to the front, but as a consequence of his concussion he was no longer fit for combat. The Empress and the elder Grand Duchesses met him in the Lianozov hospital, where he was then a patient. Henceforth he manifested an exceptional devotion to the Imperial family. Having been commissioned to accompany the Royal Prisoners to Siberia as commander of the guard detail, he remained at this post until April 28/May 11, 1918, when he was removed by the Bolsheviks. To the end he courageously strove to alleviate the difficult conditions of the Royal Martyrs' imprisonment.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Sarushka on January 04, 2014, 07:22:06 PM
I think Kotsebue and Korovichenko are also mentioned in Robert Wilton's Last Days of the Romanovs.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 10, 2014, 12:44:47 PM
Thanks everyone for posting this information- you guys are the best!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 17, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
Just to let you guys know, for those who are interested: I am still working on putting out the hard copies of "In Their Own Words" (the companion book to Olga). It's taking a bit longer than I expected, but it should be out some time next month.  Thanks again for everyone's support with the ebook, there has been a lot of interest in that, which now enables me to do the hard copies. Watch this space :).
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Kassafrass on January 17, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Great news, Helen! Your book of Olga's diaries is an invaluable treasure to me, and I am so glad that I will be getting to see some words from the other girls.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2014, 08:55:51 AM
Looks like the Kindle edition is finally out! http://www.amazon.com/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Witness-Revolution-ebook/dp/B00HXCF8T6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391007211&sr=8-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov+royal+witness+to+the+russian+revolution
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2014, 09:19:11 AM
Looks like the Kindle edition is finally out! http://www.amazon.com/Diary-Olga-Romanov-Witness-Revolution-ebook/dp/B00HXCF8T6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391007211&sr=8-1&keywords=diary+of+olga+romanov+royal+witness+to+the+russian+revolution

I mean of the Olga book :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Kassafrass on January 30, 2014, 06:49:26 PM
You're holding me in suspense!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Dev on February 08, 2014, 05:35:57 AM
Helen Azar,

Your beautiful piece of work has proved incredibly invaluable to my research for my own works on Olga Nikolayevna. I thank you whole-heartedly! When I was reading the introductory chapters at the beginning, you mentioned the location of Olga's diaries. Did you actually get to hold them?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 08, 2014, 08:06:19 AM
Helen Azar,

Your beautiful piece of work has proved incredibly invaluable to my research for my own works on Olga Nikolayevna. I thank you whole-heartedly! When I was reading the introductory chapters at the beginning, you mentioned the location of Olga's diaries. Did you actually get to hold them?

Thank you very much Dev for your kind words. No, I didn't get to hold or even see the original diary, it is kept hidden away by GARF due to its fragility and value, and not to many people have access to it. All of them were  however scanned on to a microfilm, and anyone can request photocopies of any of the pages from GARF, for a price of course ;)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Dev on February 09, 2014, 01:46:29 AM
You are very welcome! :) I'm reading it for the second time. And that is understandable, though I hope you or me get to hold or even see them someday! I'm sorry, one more question, why did you chose Olga's diary of OTMA's diaries' to translate?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 26, 2014, 10:48:54 AM
You are very welcome! :) I'm reading it for the second time. And that is understandable, though I hope you or me get to hold or even see them someday! I'm sorry, one more question, why did you chose Olga's diary of OTMA's diaries' to translate?

Hi Dev, sorry for the late response.  The diaries of the "Little Pair" were mostly destroyed by the owners, but the Big Pair's diaries fortunately survived for the most part. Between Olga and Tatiana, the latter's handwriting was harder to read, hence Olga's were the best option :). I talk a little about that in my radio interview about the book, which you can listen to right here if you like:  http://www.homerwatson.on.ca/helen-azar-the-interview/
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Dev on March 08, 2014, 02:57:24 AM
Thank you so much! I will listen to it tomorrow, thank you again for your hardwork! I did a essay for Ancient Humanities class, comparing the heroes of Gilgamesh to my personal hero - Olga, using you're book as my reference guide :) (I got 100%!). xx
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 10, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Thank you so much! I will listen to it tomorrow, thank you again for your hardwork! I did a essay for Ancient Humanities class, comparing the heroes of Gilgamesh to my personal hero - Olga, using you're book as my reference guide :) (I got 100%!). xx

Very glad to hear it! Thanks :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Petr on March 10, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
I talk a little about that in my radio interview about the book, which you can listen to right here if you like:  http://www.homerwatson.on.ca/helen-azar-the-interview/
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Great interview. Too bad it was on a Sports Station. Should be on CBS' Sunday Morning. Thanks.

Next book I buy after Griff's and Margarita's books.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on March 10, 2014, 05:32:17 PM
You are very welcome! :) I'm reading it for the second time. And that is understandable, though I hope you or me get to hold or even see them someday! I'm sorry, one more question, why did you chose Olga's diary of OTMA's diaries' to translate?

Hi Dev, sorry for the late response.  The diaries of the "Little Pair" were mostly destroyed by the owners, but the Big Pair's diaries fortunately survived for the most part. Between Olga and Tatiana, the latter's handwriting was harder to read, hence Olga's were the best option :). I talk a little about that in my radio interview about the book, which you can listen to right here if you like:  http://www.homerwatson.on.ca/helen-azar-the-interview/
You are very welcome! :) I'm reading it for the second time. And that is understandable, though I hope you or me get to hold or even see them someday! I'm sorry, one more question, why did you chose Olga's diary of OTMA's diaries' to translate?

Hi Dev, sorry for the late response.  The diaries of the "Little Pair" were mostly destroyed by the owners, but the Big Pair's diaries fortunately survived for the most part. Between Olga and Tatiana, the latter's handwriting was harder to read, hence Olga's were the best option :). I talk a little about that in my radio interview about the book, which you can listen to right here if you like:  http://www.homerwatson.on.ca/helen-azar-the-interview/


Hey, Helen, I just listened to your Sports Talk interview and quite enjoyed it. Although it probably wasn't your main intent, I appreciated that you didn't let some of the host's more general negative assumptions  about the Imperial couple and Rasputin go unchallenged, or at least unclarified while at the same time acknowledging the latter's flaws.

Your interviewer seemed reasonably conversant with the Romanov story; did you sense that he was at least somewhat of a student of the history,or had he derived his knowledge from reading your back in advance of the interview.?

In any case it's good to hear this subject aired in any forum, and frankly, with a quite sympathetic portrayal of the IF.

Hope you sold some more copies of your book too,of course!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 10, 2014, 05:57:59 PM
Hey, Helen, I just listened to your Sports Talk interview and quite enjoyed it. Although it probably wasn't your main intent, I appreciated that you didn't let some of the host's more general negative assumptions  about the Imperial couple and Rasputin go unchallenged, or at least unclarified while at the same time acknowledging the latter's flaws.

Your interviewer seemed reasonably conversant with the Romanov story; did you sense that he was at least somewhat of a student of the history,or had he derived his knowledge from reading your back in advance of the interview.?

In any case it's good to hear this subject aired in any forum, and frankly, with a quite sympathetic portrayal of the IF.

Hope you sold some more copies of your book too,of course!

Thanks for the feedback Rodney! Yeah, I felt like the interviewer kept trying to get something "juicy" on Rasputin and Alexandra and even OTMA, and trying to get me to say that something happened between them. And did you notice that he was trying to do the same with the possibility of survivors, in fact even more so?  He sort of kept bringing that up... I think he is reasonably knowledgeable about Russian history, but not sure why he was pushing that agenda, at least that was the impression I got.

The first printing of the book sold out already, and the 2nd is being prepared as we speak, with some corrections, etc., to be available to the distributors in a couple of weeks. I am so glad that people are so interested in reading Olga's words, it makes all the hard work worthwhile!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 21, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
Just to let you guys know, there is a book give-away on this website, and you can win "The Diary..." as one of the prizes http://olga-nikolayevna.tumblr.com/post/89382755292/starting-now-the-1-500-followers-give-away-goes
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 21, 2014, 03:26:07 PM
Also happy to report that both The Library Journal and Macleans Magazine (Canadian version of Newsweek) have reviewed and recommended "The Diary..." :)   

http://ls2content.tlcdelivers.com/content.html?&customerid=735&requesttype=text-review&button=false&isbn=9781594161773&upc=%20

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/the-diary-of-olga-romanov-royal-witness-to-the-russian-revolution/
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Padawan Ryan on June 22, 2014, 12:13:04 AM
Helen, I just wanted to say that I'm reading the book now and I'm so thankful that you put this together and published it. I always wanted to get that 1913 diary of Olga's that was published, however I could never find a copy (and it's no longer available on the original site), so when I found this I was very happy, especially so since it's more years' worth of entries as well as letters and outside views. To be honest, though, I hadn't been on the forum here in about two years or so, so I actually didn't realize it was someone who I'd posted alongside until more recently! I'm loving it so far, and I wish I had more time to read it between everything I've got going on in my life, but it's something that makes me happy to read whenever I get to. I feel young compared to some people here - I'm only twenty-three - however I've been studying the Romanovs since I was eleven, and am currently working on my degree in history, so you can simply imagine how giddy I'd get over the thought of reading Olga's REAL diary entries and letters! Anyway, what I've been meaning to say with all this is GOOD JOB and I love it.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 22, 2014, 12:00:11 PM
Helen, I just wanted to say that I'm reading the book now and I'm so thankful that you put this together and published it. I always wanted to get that 1913 diary of Olga's that was published, however I could never find a copy (and it's no longer available on the original site), so when I found this I was very happy, especially so since it's more years' worth of entries as well as letters and outside views. To be honest, though, I hadn't been on the forum here in about two years or so, so I actually didn't realize it was someone who I'd posted alongside until more recently! I'm loving it so far, and I wish I had more time to read it between everything I've got going on in my life, but it's something that makes me happy to read whenever I get to. I feel young compared to some people here - I'm only twenty-three - however I've been studying the Romanovs since I was eleven, and am currently working on my degree in history, so you can simply imagine how giddy I'd get over the thought of reading Olga's REAL diary entries and letters! Anyway, what I've been meaning to say with all this is GOOD JOB and I love it.

Thanks so much, so glad you like it! If you are on Facebook, I have a page where I post all kinds of Olga and her family-related things, you may like it: https://www.facebook.com/DiaryOfOlgaRomanovRoyalWitness
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 25, 2014, 09:46:54 AM

Most of all It looks  like "круглый".  "The most round"?... Hmmmm strange! ))) I continue to think.

Reading these rare letters I have a question. Olga wrote 8. 05. 1918: "Nik. Dim. [?] seems attracted to O." Then 15. 05. 1918: "Tell Mashka that I saw N. Dim. and Pimy from afar.". Does it mean Demenkov was in Tobolsk?? Does anybody know?
 

Upon further consideration, might I suggest that the original Russian text does not say that?

Pr. Eugenie's French translation reads: "...Nic. Dem. semble coincé a O."

The Russian might say: "it seems that Nicholas Demenkov is stuck in O.[dessa]..." -- which, after all, was where he was then located, and it was his home town too.

Can the French be understood to say that?

But again, we will only know for certain if and when, God willing, the Russian originals of those letters are made public.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: wakas on July 25, 2014, 10:50:39 AM
Quote
Pr. Eugenie's French translation reads: "...Nic. Dem. semble coincé a O."

The Russian might say: "it seems that Nicholas Demenkov is stuck in O.[dessa]..." -- which, after all, was where he was then located, and it was his home town too.

Can the French be understood to say that?
Yes, your translation is exact. In French, it means that.


Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 25, 2014, 02:39:44 PM
Quote
Pr. Eugenie's French translation reads: "...Nic. Dem. semble coincé a O."

The Russian might say: "it seems that Nicholas Demenkov is stuck in O.[dessa]..." -- which, after all, was where he was then located, and it was his home town too.

Can the French be understood to say that?
Yes, your translation is exact. In French, it means that.

I believe the references to Demenkov may have been a code within the family...
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 26, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
Quote
Pr. Eugenie's French translation reads: "...Nic. Dem. semble coincé a O."

The Russian might say: "it seems that Nicholas Demenkov is stuck in O.[dessa]..." -- which, after all, was where he was then located, and it was his home town too.

Can the French be understood to say that?
Yes, your translation is exact. In French, it means that.

I believe the references to Demenkov may have been a code within the family...

Perhaps… but nevertheless, access to the original Russian texts of these letters would certainly help clarify many of these cryptic passages and references.

And with all due respect to N. N. Komstadius, as translator, and to Princess Eugenie, as editor, it does seem that at times they simply read too much into some of those passages of these letters which remain, obscure, enigmatic, or indecipherable to us after the passage of so many years. Although some of these letters from captivity do, at times, contain allusions and veiled language, one must avoid the temptation to declare what is merely unintelligible to be actually conspiratorial. It should also be remembered that in the 1980s, Mr. Komstadius and Princess Eugenie did not possess the great wealth of documents and information now available. From our own experience of conducting research on the Imperial family over many years, we have often seen that what was once a defensible ‘educated guess’ turns out later to be simply no longer tenable. Some of our own earlier “logical” assumptions appear quite humorous now.


Many of the nicknames which occur in the Grand Duchesses letters from Tobolsk are just that — simple nicknames. The Grand Duchesses themselves comment in many of their letters that one of their favorite pastimes was to sit at the window and watch the passersby in the street. Obviously they would see the same people often, even daily. So, rather than describe them to one another each time, they quite naturally gave those people nicknames. “Pimy” was someone who wore such footwear — the equivalent of what are known as “mukluks” in American English. “Red Boots” was another passerby, as were “Fir Tree” (perhaps he had been seen carrying one?), and the intriguing “Amazon” — so named because she brazenly rode her horse down the main street of town while sitting astride it like a man, and not side-saddle like a “lady”! No doubt the Grand Duchesses also used to imagine to themselves the circumstances and lives of such passersby, whom they felt that they knew — if only fleetingly.

And that is also why, when Grand Duchess Maria Nicholaevna was already in Ekaterinburg with her parents, her sisters back in Tobolsk would report to her in their letters concerning whom of their ‘’acquaintances’ they had seen recently in the street and what they had been doing.

Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 26, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Perhaps they used the name of Demenkov specifically to her as a code because she knew for sure he was not and could not possibly be in that area at the time? I suppose we will never know for sure...
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on August 29, 2014, 12:33:37 PM
I've just begun to read The Diary and am enjoying it a lot. But I've missed out on some of the earlier chat and hope I don't bring up now  points and  issues previously discussed.
 
Some problems arise simply from the difficulty of pinning down all of Olga's references. This is understandable and I think Helen  and her collaborators have done extremely well under the circumstances.

Just jumping in here with this, for example: Page 7
"Thursday.24th July

We 2 slept with Mama, went onto Alexandria.... Returned for breakfast and left before dinner.    Passed by dear Yalta , overcast and rainy..."

Dear Yalta? This is five days after the declaration of war in St. Petersburg. Since this can't be the Crimean seaport, what might this Yalta be?

And on page 13, Olga refers to a church  consecration with all the relatives there.Olga mentions " Uncle Kostya with his wife Elena, Kostya , Igor and Georgiy".  Uncle Kostya was Konstantine Konstantinovich , KR, whose wife was Elizaveta (also "Mavra"). Elena was his daughter-in'-law, Elena of Serbia.

I guess this could simply be an error on Olga's part although it is a bit odd, since she presumably knew these relatives well enough.

And finallly, for now, a question not so much about this book and Olga's diary, but about Olga herself. Just  thirty-three days after the German declaration of war, and even a shorter time after the first  Russian battles,Olga is in her hospital  on Thursday, August 21 and actively dealing with wounded men. I didn't think she was thrown into nursing  head first so to speak so early. I thought it was more like a few months before she was doing real nursing work. like late September or so.

Comments?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 30, 2014, 04:14:24 PM
I've just begun to read The Diary and am enjoying it a lot. But I've missed out on some of the earlier chat and hope I don't bring up now  points and  issues previously discussed.
 
Some problems arise simply from the difficulty of pinning down all of Olga's references. This is understandable and I think Helen  and her collaborators have done extremely well under the circumstances.

Just jumping in here with this, for example: Page 7
"Thursday.24th July

We 2 slept with Mama, went onto Alexandria.... Returned for breakfast and left before dinner.    Passed by dear Yalta , overcast and rainy..."

Dear Yalta? This is five days after the declaration of war in St. Petersburg. Since this can't be the Crimean seaport, what might this Yalta be?

And on page 13, Olga refers to a church  consecration with all the relatives there.Olga mentions " Uncle Kostya with his wife Elena, Kostya , Igor and Georgiy".  Uncle Kostya was Konstantine Konstantinovich , KR, whose wife was Elizaveta (also "Mavra"). Elena was his daughter-in'-law, Elena of Serbia.

I guess this could simply be an error on Olga's part although it is a bit odd, since she presumably knew these relatives well enough.

And finallly, for now, a question not so much about this book and Olga's diary, but about Olga herself. Just  thirty-three days after the German declaration of war, and even a shorter time after the first  Russian battles,Olga is in her hospital  on Thursday, August 21 and actively dealing with wounded men. I didn't think she was thrown into nursing  head first so to speak so early. I thought it was more like a few months before she was doing real nursing work. like late September or so.

Comments?


1) From Peterhof, on the Finnish Gulf, they sailed on the smaller yacht, "Alexandria", to Petersburg. Along the way they passed the "Standart", which was at anchor in the Neva river.
[Perhaps the mention of the Standart brought Yalta to mind?...]

2) In the Russian, there is a comma after "wife": Uncle Kostya and his wife, Elena, Kostya, etc....

3) Not certain about the timing of her Red Cross work.

I. N.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 31, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
PS: In point 1 above, I meant to say that mention of the Standart might have made the *translator* think of Yalta.

G.D. Olga herself does not mention Yalta in that diary entry.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 31, 2014, 12:25:56 PM
Thanks for pointing it out, I will double check on the July 24th, 1914 entry.  I can't really imagine that I would have gotten confused between "Standart" and "Yalta", so Olga must have said something about Yalta there.... I have to find the original diary page and see what it says :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 31, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
2) In the Russian, there is a comma after "wife": Uncle Kostya and his wife, Elena, Kostya, etc....

Yes, that's exactly it. I even remember correcting this in the final version of the manuscript (adding the comma) but for some reason it slipped through the cracks in the first printing... This may have been corrected in the 2nd printing, I will check.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 31, 2014, 04:25:04 PM

And finallly, for now, a question not so much about this book and Olga's diary, but about Olga herself. Just  thirty-three days after the German declaration of war, and even a shorter time after the first  Russian battles,Olga is in her hospital  on Thursday, August 21 and actively dealing with wounded men. I didn't think she was thrown into nursing  head first so to speak so early. I thought it was more like a few months before she was doing real nursing work. like late September or so.

Comments?

The diary entries by the Grand Duchesses for August 1914 indicate that they returned from the solemn ceremonies in Moscow to Tsarkoe Selo on Saturday, August 9. By Tuesday, August 12, the older two were in the new barrack-annex hospital bandaging the wounded. It seems that for several weeks they limited themselves to such work, and preparation of supplies, etc. Meanwhile, they and the Empress were taking courses with Dr. / Princess Gedroits -- the chief surgeon.

They passed their examinations and received their Red Cross certificates as full-fledged sisters of mercy only on Nov. 6th.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Antonina on September 02, 2014, 12:32:43 AM
The Russian might say: "it seems that Nicholas Demenkov is stuck in O.[dessa]..." -- which, after all, was where he was then located, and it was his home town too.

Thank you, I like the version about passing strangers. Can I ask why do you know that Demenkov's home town was Odessa?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on September 02, 2014, 03:16:50 PM

Thank you, I like the version about passing strangers. Can I ask why do you know that Demenkov's home town was Odessa?

From Nicola De Valeron's posting of May 17, 2010, in reply to one of your own posts!

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1266.msg440070#msg440070
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on September 05, 2014, 03:22:41 PM
2) In the Russian, there is a comma after "wife": Uncle Kostya and his wife, Elena, Kostya, etc....

Yes, that's exactly it. I even remember correcting this in the final version of the manuscript (adding the comma) but for some reason it slipped through the cracks in the first printing... This may have been corrected in the 2nd printing, I will check.


And finallly, for now, a question not so much about this book and Olga's diary, but about Olga herself. Just  thirty-three days after the German declaration of war, and even a shorter time after the first  Russian battles,Olga is in her hospital  on Thursday, August 21 and actively dealing with wounded men. I didn't think she was thrown into nursing  head first so to speak so early. I thought it was more like a few months before she was doing real nursing work. like late September or so.

Comments?

The diary entries by the Grand Duchesses for August 1914 indicate that they returned from the solemn ceremonies in Moscow to Tsarkoe Selo on Saturday, August 9. By Tuesday, August 12, the older two were in the new barrack-annex hospital bandaging the wounded. It seems that for several weeks they limited themselves to such work, and preparation of supplies, etc. Meanwhile, they and the Empress were taking courses with Dr. / Princess Gedroits -- the chief surgeon.

They passed their examinations and received their Red Cross certificates as full-fledged sisters of mercy only on Nov. 6th.


Thanks, I.N. for providing that. Apparently Olga's beginning actual nursing of patients was fairlsy early on,especially since she and the IF were in Moscow  part of  that time. Good for her andTatiana and Alexandra.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Rodney_G. on September 05, 2014, 03:27:34 PM
Thanks for pointing it out, I will double check on the July 24th, 1914 entry.  I can't really imagine that I would have gotten confused between "Standart" and "Yalta", so Olga must have said something about Yalta there.... I have to find the original diary page and see what it says :)

Ah ,that's good, Helen, because the "dear Yalta" reference does appear as such in my edition and it's hard to account for as is . I'd be interested to know what you find in Olga's full original diary entry.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 15, 2014, 11:27:11 AM
Sorry it took so long to look this up, finally had the chance to go through the scans of the diary pages...  Looks like my scan of this particular page is cut off exactly where the purported "Yalta" part may have been. Initially I was working from hard copies but had to return those to the person who originally got them for me, and get my own scans of the pages, which may be not as legible. I don't remember which version I used for this particular entry. It's probably best for me to post exactly what I have and let you guys look at it directly:   https://www.facebook.com/DiaryOfOlgaRomanovRoyalWitness/photos/a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921/750257278356871/?type=1&theater If anyone can definitely make out exactly what it says, I will ask the publisher to correct it for the third printing. Thanks again, this is you guys are the best!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on September 16, 2014, 09:15:17 AM
Sorry it took so long to look this up, finally had the chance to go through the scans of the diary pages...  Looks like my scan of this particular page is cut off exactly where the purported "Yalta" part may have been. Initially I was working from hard copies but had to return those to the person who originally got them for me, and get my own scans of the pages, which may be not as legible. I don't remember which version I used for this particular entry. It's probably best for me to post exactly what I have and let you guys look at it directly:   https://www.facebook.com/DiaryOfOlgaRomanovRoyalWitness/photos/a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921/750257278356871/?type=1&theater If anyone can definitely make out exactly what it says, I will ask the publisher to correct it for the third printing. Thanks again, this is you guys are the best!

A correction on my part:

The diary entry I was reading is indeed from that day, July 24, but it is G. D. Tatiana's diary entry, not G. D. Olga's:

See the Russian text here:
http://emalkrest.narod.ru/txt/det14.htm

Sorry if this has caused any confusion in this discussion.
I. N.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 16, 2014, 09:22:57 AM
Oh ok, I see... Yes, because Olga's diary entry for that date is not online and was never published in Russian or in English before. In any case, thanks again.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 01, 2015, 03:44:19 AM
I am about half way through this book and I must say that it had fullfilled my expectations beautifully. The diary entries combined with letters make for an intimate glimpse into a world of a young lady, whose world was about to die a quick death soon. Olga really becomes a person of her own, finally - which is something no other book has yet managed to do so well.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 01, 2015, 12:24:44 PM
I am about half way through this book and I must say that it had fullfilled my expectations beautifully. The diary entries combined with letters make for an intimate glimpse into a world of a young lady, whose world was about to die a quick death soon. Olga really becomes a person of her own, finally - which is something no other book has yet managed to do so well.

Thank you! Glad you are enjoying it!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: wakas on March 14, 2015, 02:47:17 PM
I'm confused about Olga's letter to Rita Khitrovo on page 139 (from January 14th 1918).

In the book "Pis'ma Tsarskoi Sem'i iz Zatocheniia", this letter is signed Maria .  Also, at the end of it, there is a short note to Rita signed "Olga".


So I'm really confused right now. Who actually wrote the letter? Olga or Maria?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 15, 2015, 12:47:01 PM
I'm confused about Olga's letter to Rita Khitrovo on page 139 (from January 14th 1918).

In the book "Pis'ma Tsarskoi Sem'i iz Zatocheniia", this letter is signed Maria .  Also, at the end of it, there is a short note to Rita signed "Olga".


So I'm really confused right now. Who actually wrote the letter? Olga or Maria?

If I am understanding your question correctly, the letter to Rita Khitrovo that's in the Olga book was indeed written by Olga, not Marie. I actually have a copy of the original letter and it's definitely Olga's handwriting :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: wakas on March 17, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
Yes, that was my question. Thank you very much for your answer  :)
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on March 17, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
I'm confused about Olga's letter to Rita Khitrovo on page 139 (from January 14th 1918).

In the book "Pis'ma Tsarskoi Sem'i iz Zatocheniia", this letter is signed Maria .  Also, at the end of it, there is a short note to Rita signed "Olga".


So I'm really confused right now. Who actually wrote the letter? Olga or Maria?

If I am understanding your question correctly, the letter to Rita Khitrovo that's in the Olga book was indeed written by Olga, not Marie. I actually have a copy of the original letter and it's definitely Olga's handwriting :)

Well, yes, there are, of course, authentic letters from Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna in the book.

But the letter dated January 14, 1918 to M. S. Khitrovo, on page 139 -- in which the author speaks of how they spent their holidays, and of the fact that she had bumped her head while sledding on the ice hill -- was indeed written by Grand Duchess Maria Nicholaevna, not G. D. Olga.

A facsimile of the letter appears on pages 232-233 of the original edition of "Pisma iz zatocheniya". Mr. Alferieff had access to the originals.

The handwriting is definitely G. D. Maria's.

And the body of the letter to Rita is signed: "M." for Maria; below that is the initial "A." for Anastasia, followed by a postscript from Tsarevich Alexis: "Thank you very much for the postcard. I kiss you. A."; then, finally, is the postscript from G. D. Olga: "I also firmly kiss you, dear Ritka.
Olga".

GARF also attributes the letter to G. D. Maria Nicholaevna.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 17, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Ok I see, I didn't have the book in front of me before and the letter I was thinking of from Olga to Rita is actually on page 141, which is the one I have a copy of, and which is most definitely in Olga's handwriting. I don't have a copy of the letter on p. 139, and have to double check the source of it, I cannot remember what the source was and how I ended up attributing it to Olga vs Marie. But thanks for pointing it out, I will ask the publisher to correct this for the next edition.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 17, 2015, 07:06:37 PM
The Olga letter I thought you had asked about is dated February 19, 1918. The Marie letter in question is dated 14 January, 1918. 
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Inok Nikolai on March 18, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
The Olga letter I thought you had asked about is dated February 19, 1918. The Marie letter in question is dated 14 January, 1918. 

There also exist a letter from G. D. Olga to Rita dated January 21, 1918.

So maybe some sources have mixed up January 12 with January 21 by inverting the numbers?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 19, 2015, 03:26:42 AM
I am not sure if it has been said before, but I too have noticed what may be a little mistake. On the page 4, diary entry from 7th January 1914, Olga mentions she breakfested with "Papa, Mama, Un. Boris and Un. Georgiy". The footnote at the same page says "Georgiy" was Georgiy Konstantinovich, son of Grand Duke Konstantin, but I think it was actually Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovich, who was quoite close to the Emperor at the time. Georgiy Konstantinovich in 1914 was still just a boy, so it would not make much sense in him being all alone, without his parents, at such a breakfast, plus Olga would hardly refer to him as "uncle".

Could that be?
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 19, 2015, 09:43:56 AM
it was actually Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovich

You are right - you probably have the first edition of the book. The errors in the first edition were already corrected in the 2nd, as well as the paperback. Thanks for your feedback!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 19, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
The Olga letter I thought you had asked about is dated February 19, 1918. The Marie letter in question is dated 14 January, 1918.  

There also exist a letter from G. D. Olga to Rita dated January 21, 1918.

So maybe some sources have mixed up January 12 with January 21 by inverting the numbers?

Yes, it is possible. I am surprised the copy editor did not catch it either. She was the same editor who worked on Alexandra's diary book, but it's amazing that no matter how many people read and reread the manuscript, things still slip through the cracks. Which is why it is so great to have such knowledgeable readers who point out errors, so that they can be corrected for subsequent editions. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 19, 2015, 05:53:33 PM
I got this book by ILL and have some errata for it:

Olga n was the honorary Colonel of the 3rd Elizavtgrad Hussars not the 9th the regiment was the 9th Dragoons from 1882-1907 before Olga was made honorary Colonel. See marksrussianmilitaryhistory.info for this units pre WW I history. They spill it Yelisavetgrad. It also has the 1914 Russian army order of battle so you can find which division and corps a regiment belonged to at the start of WW I. Also which army a corps was attached two during WW I. Also note: Austria_Hungary's last war 1914-1918, The WW I Austrian Official history is online and they do give order of battle updates every few months or so. Which if you want to can follow a unit around.

Pages 27-28 Olga mentions Okhta and mentions talking to Serge M on the telephone about it 82 critically wounded, 7 of them died, they found 97 corpses and 57  men are missing.

There was a Okhta plant in Petrograd which did make munitions

There was a Okatensk Powder works where 200 were killed in a 1915 explosion. This most likely is Okhta and is probably what Olga is writing about. GD Sere m was Inspector General of the Artillery so this is something he would really be concerned about.

 Page 12 Admiral N.P. Sablin was not the former commander of the Russian Army he was the commander of the Imperial Yacht Standart

Page 12 Madame Sukhmlinvova was the wife of War Minister Vladimir Sukhmlinov she was involved in war relief work

Page 27 Chemodurlov was not killed with the Imperial Family

Page 30 mentions the 3rd Shooter regiment  should be 3rd (Guards) Rifle Regiment. There are other mentions of Shooter and marksmen should be Rifle  or Riflemen.

On Olga's missing diary she may not have destroyed it. It may have been lost or stolen over the years. ditto the diaries of TMA.  In 1940 the Germans captured the Belgium army records from 1918 to 1940. The rest were evacuated to England. In 1945 the records the Germans captured were captured by the Soviets who kept them until the late 1990s when they returned them. In looking through them it was found a number of volumes were missing. Ther have also been people who have stolen records from the PRO in England and the US National archives.  Granted TMA it appears have burned some of theirs but some could have been lost or stolen over the years.

I hope this of some interest.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 19, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Yes all these errors were corrected in 2nd edition thanks.
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 21, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
That's good!

I have some more errata which you probably already know:

Page 64 mentions nurses going to German and Austria and page 66 mentions German and Austrian nurses. In 1916 the Russians, Germans and Austrians sent teams of red cross personal to visit each others POW camps. I know this sounds a little strange but it was done.

Page 74 Kalinin I believe is Minister of the Interior Protopopov
Title: Re: The Diary of Olga Romanov: Royal Witness to the Russian Revolution
Post by: Nictionary on February 18, 2017, 05:43:31 PM
In regards to the Okhta explosion James mentioned, was it ever determined whether it was sabotage or an accident?  Paleologue's diary on this site mentions rumors about German sabotage, and contemporary news accounts describe the same suspicions, but there had been an explosion there in 1912, so it could well have been an accident, too.  None of the sources I have found say anything about a cause being determined, so I was just wondering if it ever was.