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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Olga on January 17, 2005, 07:20:31 AM

Title: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Olga on January 17, 2005, 07:20:31 AM
I recall reading about the Empress of Austria's black diamond tiara. It sounds beautiful. Are there any photos of it?

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 17, 2005, 07:55:34 AM
I think that Brian posted a picture of her wearing it in the Elizabeth thread - or at least we talked about it.  Brian really is the expert on Elizabeth and her jewels...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 17, 2005, 03:19:44 PM
the following is an excerpt from THE MARTYRDOM OF AN EMPRESS, and refers to a state ball given at the Hofburg on the occasion of the visit of the new tsar & tsarina (Nicky & Alix) to Vienna:

     "all eyes were immediately turned upon the lovely austrian sovereign....her toilette was a vision of severe elegance, chic, and perfection of taste.
      the endless fan-shaped train and bodice were of softest, most shimmering black-velvet, veiled with black-silk gauze, embroidered with pearl-hearted black violets.     on her proud head sparkled a diadem of black pearls & black diamonds, whence fell to the very hem of the court mantle a transparent veil of black gauze powdered with jet.      around the shapely marmorean neck hung row after row of softly gleaming black pearls interspersed with brilliants, and she carried in her hand a sheath of russian and neopolitan violets, tied with jet-embroidered black streamers, to which was fastened an enormous black marabout fan adorned with a crown of diamonds.    on her left shoulder was attached the stern-kreuz decoration, also in diamonds."



    paints a wonderfully vivid picture, doesn't it?

btw, THE MARTYRDOM  OF AN EMPRESS is a very odd book, to say the least.    no author is listed.....anywhere.     at all.

however, there is an introduction --- and one may infer from that (well, sort of), that a lady by the name of Elizabeth Clare Prophet (born: elizabeth clare wulf) was the author.     but nowhere on any of the pages does she say so.    what she does say, however, is that she's the reincarnation of the empress Elisabeth of Austria!

regardless, if you can get past that[/i], it's not a bad book.   written in (or about) 1981, it contains more descriptive passages than most of the biographies out there.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 18, 2005, 06:14:24 AM
That does sound like an interesting book!  So she says that she is the reincarnation of the Empress?  How splendid!  Do you know Brian if her descriptions are accurate, or is there a possibilty that they are embellished?
BTW, I have to say that I am not a fan of black diamonds.  They just look like jet to me and certainly don't have the appeal of natural diamonds (or other colours for that matter)....
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 20, 2005, 05:30:46 PM
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btw, black diamonds are natural diamonds (well, they used to be --- before the advent of man-made diamonds). á

natural diamonds (read: real diamonds) can, and do, occur in almost every color of the rainbow (and even into the grey-scale) --- from colorless to black . á also, if a black diamond looks like jet, it's not a very good diamond. á á



Brian I do apologise.  I didn't really express myself terribly well in my last post.  I have only seen a few examples of modern pieces of jewellery that were set with black diamonds and I have to say that they did not impress me.  You are of course right to state that real diamonds may occur in any colour; I should really have said that I am fondest of the purest whitest variety (quite partial to canary diamonds as well).....So good black diamonds should not look like jet?  Can you tell me what they should look like?  Are they opaque?
That diadem of Sissi is really quite an event......
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 21, 2005, 02:47:01 AM
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i may owe you an apology....  but this is what i understood to be the case:

a "good, high-quality, natural black diamond should be deep black in color, but still have a certain "clarity" (i've always understood this to mean it should be sort-of translucent or maybe be a "watery" black.   whereas, poor quality black diamonds (especially those that have been irradiated in order to achieve a black color) look more like onyx and can be quite porous (and thus difficult to perfectly facet).


(( mind you, any (or all) of the above could be wrong. ))  ;)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 21, 2005, 05:38:10 AM
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i may owe you an apology.... ábut this is what i understood to be the case:

a "good, high-quality, natural black diamond should be deep black in color, but still have a certain "clarity" (i've always understood this to mean it should be sort-of translucent or maybe be a "watery" black. á whereas, poor quality black diamonds (especially those that have been irradiated in order to achieve a black color) look more like onyx and can be quite porous (and thus difficult to perfectly facet).


(( mind you, any (or all) of the above could be wrong. )) á;)


I've had a little chat this morning with a friend of mine who is a jeweller and he gave me abit of information about black diamonds.
Apparently black diamonds in their natural state are a dark, often brownish colour, full of inclusions and black spots. Because of these inherent flaws, modern stones are treated to render them completely opaque and to all intents  and purposes the only appreciable difference between black diamonds and jet, is the way in which the stones are cut and polished; diamonds can be cut and facetted in different ways to jet due to the natural hardness of the stone.  Jet, being more fragile in character, must perforce be treated differently.  Overall, this results in increased glitter factor as it is possible to create many more facets with black diamonds, which then reflect the light.....
Brian, does this fit in with your understanding of black diamonds (I am not a gemmologist....)?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 21, 2005, 06:40:45 AM
She sounds like a fascinating person in her own right this Mrs Marguerite Cunliffe-Owen, and perhaps the fit subject for a book herself?
Basically Goula, are you suggesting that this woman really had no first and knowledge of the Habsburg court and Empress and that her reminiscences are largely embellished versions of common knowledge at the time?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 21, 2005, 11:10:51 PM
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I've had a little chat this morning with a friend of mine who is a jeweller and he gave me abit of information about black diamonds.
Apparently black diamonds in their natural state are a dark, often brownish colour, full of inclusions and black spots. Because of these inherent flaws, modern stones are treated to render them completely opaque and to all intents áand purposes the only appreciable difference between black diamonds and jet, is the way in which the stones are cut and polished; diamonds can be cut and facetted in different ways to jet due to the natural hardness of the stone. áJet, being more fragile in character, must perforce be treated differently. áOverall, this results in increased glitter factor as it is possible to create many more facets with black diamonds, which then reflect the light.....
Brian, does this fit in with your understanding of black diamonds (I am not a gemmologist....)?




i think one of the main things i was mistaken about is the general desire for opaqueness.     i'd gotten that completely backwards, i guess.   actually, i think i may have gotten all of it wrong.    but now,
at least, i can ditch my wrong 2nd-hand info.

thanks very much!  
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 22, 2005, 05:45:02 AM
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i think one of the main things i was mistaken about is the general desire for opaqueness. á á i'd gotten that completely backwards, i guess. á actually, i think i may have gotten all of it wrong. á ábut now,
at least, i can ditch my wrong 2nd-hand info.

thanks very much! á


Hey listen mister, I am the one who makes the mistakes!  Keep posting your wonderful images and if we share our information as we do, we won't go too wrong!
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Martyn on January 22, 2005, 05:55:16 AM
Goula, that really is fascinating stuff about the 'martyrdom' book and its putative author - quite a mystery all in all.
Do keep us posted if you find out anything more....
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Merrique on April 09, 2005, 07:13:48 PM
I have searched this site and the internet and so far have come up with nothing.So I thought I'd put the question here since we have so many people here with so much knowledge.

Does anyone have any good color pictures of Sissi's jewels?Expsecially her diamond spiked tiara.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on April 09, 2005, 08:14:42 PM
the famous Winterhalter portrait is probably the most well-known illustration of her in jewelry--she wears her famous diamond stars in her hair. Sissi tended to like simpler hair ornaments it seems, probably to draw attention to her justly celebrated lustrous hair.

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on April 09, 2005, 08:30:07 PM
from Danjels' site

EMPRESS ELISABETH┤S IVY PARURE

Tiara of ivy leaves with square-cut emerald berries.
Made by Kochert for the Empress Elisabeth in 1878.

The 18th century brooche of Maria Theresa had been divided into 11 pieces in 1800 and in 1811 remade into a parure, consisting of tiara, necklace and corsage. This parure was dismantled bu K÷chert between 1875 and 1878 to make a new parure consisting of a diadem, corsage, two bracelets, necklace and 2 brooches.

The necklace: Designed and executed by Alexander K÷chert in 1875 with stones form the 18th century corsage. It contained emeralds, 109 carats; diamonds, 178 carats and 708 diamond rosettes.

The bracelets: These too were intirely conceived and executed by Alexander K÷chert in 1876. The diamonds and emeralds were taken from a replica of the coronation robe of the Holy Roman Emperors.

The corsage: Also designed and executed entirely by Alexander K÷chert in 1877 with stones from the old corsage. The stones used are: 114 carat central emerald, 4 emeralds, 45 carats; diamonds, 120 carats; and 382 diamond rosettes

The diadem: The 1811 diadem had already been altered in 1847, 1856 and again in 1864. In 1878 Alexander K÷chert was commissioned to create a new one using the leaves, the diamonds and the emeralds. It contained 15 emeralds, 63 carats; 1478 diamonds, 272 carats and 2456 diamond rosettes. 10 Years later, in 1888, Heinrich K÷chert was asked to alter the diadem againadding more emeralds.

The parure was sold in 1918, current whereabouts unknown.


Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Merrique on April 09, 2005, 08:49:34 PM
GDSElla you are a gem!That is exactly what I was looking for.I wonder if there are any pictures of what Sissi's lovely jewels would look like today,and what happened to them.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on April 09, 2005, 09:19:06 PM
I don't have it with me but I think a lot of the Austrian jewels were stolen in the post-WW1 chaos but I can't remember the exact details. It was detailed in The Queen's Jewels by Vincent Meylan. I think they were supposedly entrusted to someone to sell for money who them absconded with it?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 10, 2005, 10:09:04 AM
Thank you indeed Grandduchessella, this photographs are lovely :) I thought Merrique you might also like to know that the Empress Elisabeth's crown which was held over her shoulder when she became Queen of Hungary, is today preserved in a case in the cathedral in Hungary where she was crowned. The ruby jewels which are in the painting that Grandduchessella so kindly posted have been replicated with the assistance
of Swarovski. This replica is today on display at the "Sisi" Museum in the Hofburg along with other "replicas of selected items of jewellery once owned by the Empress which no longer exist today".
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on April 10, 2005, 07:21:33 PM
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/daisyconnaught/jewels/au20ruby5Fwreath5Ftiara1.jpg)


This painting was done to commerate FJ's 25th anniversary. He had bought some jewels that belonged to the French royal house (I think Marie Antoinette) and had some reset.

The 'tiara' Sissi wears is actually supposed to be a belt.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 11, 2005, 04:17:33 AM
Here are the same replica ruby jewels which are in the Hofburg museum and which are shown in the painting:
http://www.hofburg-wien.at/en/site/publicdir/exp_32695.html
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Merrique on April 11, 2005, 01:10:09 PM
It is sad to think that some of these wonderful pieces of jewelry that Sissi owned are no longer in existence.It is nice to see replicas of these pieces.Thank you to everyone for all the information.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on April 11, 2005, 05:00:45 PM
It is indeed. Munn's book states that of the jewels that weren't recovered they likely were quickly broken up and sold. Owners of what was made from them probably don't know anything of their storied  provenance.  :(
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: pouvoir aux canards on July 30, 2006, 01:51:42 PM
There is no thread about Habsburg jewels  ... so... did anyone has an idea about some Marie-Valerie' or Gisela' tiaras?? All photographies of the two archduchesses are WITHOUT that sort of jewels... And also StÚphanie: NOT A PICTURE (not one I know) in a court dress with jewels... I saw once a thumb about a misterious MARIE-VALERIE's TIARA but the browser was unable to send me to a picture... the links were closed...

I am NOT specialised in jewels nor the topic interestests me passionately, but the fact seems a little strange... I know austrian jewels disapeared after WW1, but anyway Empresses Elisabeth and Zita were pictured with jewels... why not Gisela, Marie-Valerie and StÚphanie ??. Stephanie assumed so many balls and ceremonies and also Gisela in Baviera and Austria ...

A second answer, related to jewels because weddings days are glittering... : I never saw a picture of the weddings of Gisela, Rudolph, Marie-Valerie. It seems also impossible to see a normal sized picture of the wedding of Franz-Joseph and Elisabeth (and about Elisabeth' sisters weddings and Franz-Joseph' brothers weddings... )  :o :o :o

best regards

Claire
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
From different Internet sites:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriastephanie1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriamarievalerie.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2006, 04:47:01 PM
This one belonged to Marie Valerie:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriatiara5.jpg)


(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriaKochert20tiara71.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriaKochert20Fleur-de-Lys1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriatiara1.jpg)

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: pouvoir aux canards on July 31, 2006, 01:42:33 PM
Thank you very much GranduchessElla, all this is new for me..., photos and tiaras... did all the 3/4 tiara you post belonged to MarieValÚrie?? the last one seems to me that one Zita was wearing for his wedding day. The SECOND one with the marvellous "fleurs de lys" was austrian from the day of his creation or was a french one gone to austrian family???

Thank you again. :D

I am always searching on the Net some drawings of the Habsburg weddings but there are not (or I cannot find them). Once there was an engraving of Stephanie's wedding on sale on an E-bay-site but without the picture... Also the same scene was on sale on an antic-books -site, but again without the picture....

thank you for the third time, a kind answer to me... and for all of us  :D
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2006, 05:05:33 PM
You're welcome. No, just the one I mentioned belonged to MV--at least as far as I know. I had the image saved so didn't have any further info on it.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2006, 05:16:10 PM
You should go to this site:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/austria/diadem-marie-valerie.htm

It shows some of MV's jewelry--though only the one photo of her wearing a tiara.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2006, 06:00:34 PM
Here's a sketch of Stephanie & Rudolph's wedding:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/weddings/10051727aw.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: pouvoir aux canards on August 01, 2006, 03:29:03 AM
Thank you again for all...  :) I have been on the site, there were some interesting things about Marie-Valerie' tiara, and also a sketch of her wedding ceremony. I hope any other member will feel interested of the topic...  ???, also extending to other archduchesses... :D
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on November 29, 2006, 08:39:37 AM
Does anybody have pictures about jewellery of Empress Elisabeth "Sissi" ?

Me i have just this :

(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5177/001va5.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001va5.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: ashdean on November 29, 2006, 02:25:16 PM
Apart from the diamond stars (20 I think) which she wore in the famous portrait by Winterhater( the  great diamond diadem given her on her marriage by her husband) & the Crown jewels...Elisabeth owned amongst other things a diamond & opal tiara,necklace & earrings..which she wore before her wedding on her state  entry into Vienna..I would love to know if they still exist...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: britt.25 on November 30, 2006, 04:49:24 AM
Yes, it would be interesting to know what happened with it.

Do you know, who (of her children) inheritated her jewelery and other things? Was it Marie Valerie?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: crazy_wing on December 01, 2006, 04:48:33 AM
She gave a lot of her jewels away after Rudolf died.

As for the diamond stars, two are now lying in the display case inside the Sisi Musem in Hofburg.  The rest are probably in private hands.  If I remembered correctly, I think she gave the stars to her ladies in waiting. 
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: britt.25 on December 01, 2006, 04:58:22 AM
Did noone of her daughters inheritate something?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 01, 2006, 05:03:58 AM
That's right, Elisabeth didn't want to wear her jewels after Rudolf's dead anymore. She gave a lot of them to her relatives (also to her sister-in-law Marie JosÚ in Bavaria), but her daughters Gisela and Marie ValÚrie as well as her favourite granddaughter Elisabeth Marie got most of them.

As for the little stars: I think I read at the Sisi Museum four weeks ago, that the stars there aren't the original ones, but done by Swarovsky. Once I heard Brigitte Hamann say that the stars are owned by family members. She said something like: "And from time to time I meet young descendants of Elisabeth and they show me one of these famous stars."
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 01, 2006, 10:59:43 AM
I just read that Elisabeth had two sets of stars each consisting of 27 items. She gave the stars of the first set to her ladies-in-waiting. The second set is still in possession of the families of Habsburg and Wittelsbach.

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: crazy_wing on December 01, 2006, 11:04:12 AM
That's right, Elisabeth didn't want to wear her jewels after Rudolf's dead anymore. She gave a lot of them to her relatives (also to her sister-in-law Marie JosÚ in Bavaria), but her daughters Gisela and Marie ValÚrie as well as her favourite granddaughter Elisabeth Marie got most of them.

As for the little stars: I think I read at the Sisi Museum four weeks ago, that the stars there aren't the original ones, but done by Swarovsky. Once I heard Brigitte Hamann say that the stars are owned by family members. She said something like: "And from time to time I meet young descendants of Elisabeth and they show me one of these famous stars."

Yeah, when I went two weeks ago to the Sisi Museum, they said that the set displayed in the big room with her portraits and other jewels weren't real.  But then I believe there were two located in the following room and those were real. 
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Zanthia on December 15, 2006, 01:23:24 AM
You can buy some replicas of her stars on ebay. They are made by swarovski. I'd love to have them, but they're so expensive :(. I'm glad to hear that the whereabouts of some the stars are known. I once read that they were all lost.

Here's a picture of the ebay stars.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Jewels/69_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2006, 01:26:12 AM
How much do you get them in Austria ?  ???
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: ashdean on December 15, 2006, 05:50:47 AM
Does anyone have any idea of the location/fate of the diamond diadem which was Franz Josefs wedding present to his bride?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2006, 08:21:40 PM
I think it disappeared...like so much of the Hapsburg jewelry... :(
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 16, 2007, 07:44:09 PM
I have seen a photo of Princess Elisabeth of Greece and Denmark, the Countess of Toerring-Jettenbach wearing one of Empress Elisabeth's stars (a tiny one). it  also is a photo of her and her tiny son Hans Viet in 1936.
I had the photo in my collection, but i can't find it! bah! but when i do, I'll post it, but before that i have to ask of friend of mine's permission first.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2007, 08:04:34 PM
I think that came from her grandmother Queen Olga of Greece's collection. She had a nice collection of diamond stars and some she gave to her daughter Alexandra (Grand Duchess Paul of Russia).  :(
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2007, 08:25:08 AM
Here are some links to check out:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/austria/sissi-diamant-sterne.htm
http://www.royal-magazin.de/austria/sisi-diamond-stars.htm
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2007, 07:45:51 PM
I love both of them and bought copies from the Vienese museum collection during the Sisi festival years ago.  ;)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Lucien on February 08, 2007, 03:05:58 AM
The Empress Elisabeth's jewelry case is on sale:

http://www.rauantiques.com/28-8316.html

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2007, 04:14:43 AM
I wonder who inheired it and who is selling it now ?  ???
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: emeraldeyes on June 03, 2007, 05:20:03 PM
Some scans from the local newspapers...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sissi001.jpg)


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sissi003.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Sitka on July 20, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
I believe the original is published in 1901, the author being a lady in waiting to the Empress, because of her noble birth it was unseemly to put her name on the cover as male authors do. I have a copy which says that it's from the author who wrote "Franz Joseph - Keystone of Empire", that book was published in1897. The author did not claim to be a reincarnation, the 1981 claim might have been made by a different person who reprinted the original.
the following is an excerpt from THE MARTYRDOM OF AN EMPRESS, and refers to a state ball given at the Hofburg on the occasion of the visit of the new tsar & tsarina (Nicky & Alix) to Vienna:

      "all eyes were immediately turned upon the lovely austrian sovereign....her toilette was a vision of severe elegance, chic, and perfection of taste.
       the endless fan-shaped train and bodice were of softest, most shimmering black-velvet, veiled with black-silk gauze, embroidered with pearl-hearted black violets.     on her proud head sparkled a diadem of black pearls & black diamonds, whence fell to the very hem of the court mantle a transparent veil of black gauze powdered with jet.      around the shapely marmorean neck hung row after row of softly gleaming black pearls interspersed with brilliants, and she carried in her hand a sheath of russian and neopolitan violets, tied with jet-embroidered black streamers, to which was fastened an enormous black marabout fan adorned with a crown of diamonds.    on her left shoulder was attached the stern-kreuz decoration, also in diamonds."



     paints a wonderfully vivid picture, doesn't it?

btw, THE MARTYRDOM  OF AN EMPRESS is a very odd book, to say the least.    no author is listed.....anywhere.     at all.

however, there is an introduction --- and one may infer from that (well, sort of), that a lady by the name of Elizabeth Clare Prophet (born: elizabeth clare wulf) was the author.     but nowhere on any of the pages does she say so.    what she does say, however, is that she's the reincarnation of the empress Elisabeth of Austria!

regardless, if you can get past that[/i], it's not a bad book.   written in (or about) 1981, it contains more descriptive passages than most of the biographies out there.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 04:41:17 PM
Yes, I asked the same before, I know that this dress (of the coronation) still exists
and is very well conserved, but about the gloves, fan and jewelry, I don't know if they still exist
or are lost
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
Do you know who designed that jewels? The ones that she wore on her coronation, and
what materials were used to make them? Is it silver?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Alejandro Spain on May 14, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
This one belonged to Marie Valerie:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriatiara5.jpg)


(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriaKochert20tiara71.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriaKochert20Fleur-de-Lys1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriatiara1.jpg)



I second tiara is property of the Bulgarian royal family. How did it come from Austrian Imperial Family to Bulgarian Royal Family?

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4503/margaritadebulgaria.jpg)

Regards and thanks!
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 15, 2010, 10:07:36 AM
Yes...I saw that tiara in the portrait of Marie Louise, wife of Foxy and mother of Boris.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 20, 2010, 02:38:35 PM
The jewels that Empress Sissi wore at her coronation as Queen of Hungary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Hungria.jpg)
The next are well known, the ones she wore on her portrait of her Silver Wedding Anniversary (I wonder if they are the original ones)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/Sissisthings.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2010, 05:33:38 PM
Lovely ! Are they still on show in Godollo ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on August 20, 2010, 06:18:43 PM
Lovely ! Are they still on show in Godollo ?

Perhaps people who are severely challenged with regard to Central European orthography should stick to the established German form of the name of that town and palace: Getterle!
It's not following in the Magyarophile Sisi's footsteps, but nevertheless a smaller monstrosity than "Godollo", which isn't the same as G÷d÷llő! The diacritics are not there for nothing, but because it's pronounced [ˈɡ°d°lː°ː], not /ɡodoloː/.

The Germanified form G÷d÷ll÷, with only dotted o's and not an o with double acute accents, could also be an alternative, I guess, as ÷ and ő represent the same vowel in Hungarian, ÷ is just the short form of the vowel while ő is the long form. Perhaps one could thus even write G÷d÷ll÷÷!?

Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 21, 2010, 10:38:42 AM
Was the exhibition still there ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 22, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
Elisabeth`s jewelry box

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3851/ssantiques7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 22, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
Was it sold ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 22, 2010, 12:07:12 PM
I have no idea

Here a link with a video about the case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78S81a9bVBI
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 23, 2010, 01:02:00 PM
Wow! It's fascinating to see that jewelry box (it looks quite big). About the question of the jewels I posted, there was no info about the place they were located, but perhaps they're in Hungary... I even thought they belonged to some of Sissi's descendants
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 23, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
The beautiful ruby parure was lost. That is a recreated set. Even so would love to see it upclose.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 23, 2010, 02:52:30 PM
Well, in this case I was reffering to her jewels used at her coronation as Queen of Hungary, but perhaps they're the original ones.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 23, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
Those survive and used in Zita's coronation (She was Queen of Hungary too). The rubies set was once belonged to Queen Marie Antoinette before her marriage to King Louis XVI. They were brought back and Sisi wore them on the wedding aniversary. It consists of a tiara, necklace on a black velvet base and a bracelet.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on August 23, 2010, 03:20:33 PM
But Zita's crown (which was a remake of Sisi's, wasn't it?), was lost in exile in Switzerland, due to some shady baron, I've read. Anybody who can elaborate?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 23, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
I think it was the same. Yes it was lost. So were the rubies...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 23, 2010, 03:45:20 PM
That case was really beautiful. I'd like to see it in person, it'd be nice to own something like that.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 01:17:01 PM
Necklace of Empress Sissi
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/necklaceSissi.jpg)
Courtesy: erszebetkiralynewebs
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
Rubies or Jet ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
I don't think that they're rubies, they don't look red for me... but like gray or black. Honestly I don't know, the site didn't say
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 02:48:38 PM
Must be jet I guess.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 06, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
i think its the rubies, the necklace looks familiar. plus the picture is in black and white :P
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 07, 2010, 06:35:29 AM
I love love this tiara vof Catharina Habsburg

(http://royalehuwelijken.web-log.nl/royalehuwelijken/images/2010/03/17/catharina_en_massimiliano_090199_8.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2010, 12:12:16 PM
Lovely ! Was that Infante Felipe of Spain beside her ?
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
This was made with hungarian opals and found that belonged to the Crown Princess Staphanie
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/stephaniebelg.jpg)
Isn't it the belt that she is wearing on this painting, it looks similar to me... ?
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/blackste.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2010, 02:43:14 PM
Empress Sissi's cross (I wonder if it was made with rubies)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/joya.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2010, 06:07:11 PM
Either rubies or garnets.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 18, 2010, 02:33:16 PM
Found the next jewels as Sissi's...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/jewels.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Svetabel on August 10, 2011, 05:04:22 AM
This one belonged to Marie Valerie:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/austriatiara5.jpg)





And passed to her daughter Ella as a wedding gift. As well as with this piece of jewel:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/vcqnis.jpg)

Here are photos of Ella in the whole set


http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672341 (http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672341)

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672367 (http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672367)

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672396 (http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=5672396)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2011, 07:44:13 AM
Knew about the tiara but not about the necklace. Is it part of MV's wedding gifts ? Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Svetabel on August 12, 2011, 04:26:40 AM
I think the necklace was a gift from Emperor Franz Joseph.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 12, 2011, 05:26:24 PM
Jewels of the Empress Elisabeth:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/275654.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/Ohrgehaenge-Kaiserin-Elisabeth_208__275667_40.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/275682.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/sissi116.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/anellosissi-1.jpg)

Mourning jewels:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/139_52547_2-1.jpg)

And I found this labeled as an AustrianTiara. But I can't say who it belonged to:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/AUSTRIATIARA2.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 12, 2011, 06:27:31 PM
The last one belonged to Maria Annunziata "miana" daughter of  Karl Ludwig and Maria Theresia of bragance. Now is in the hohenberg family and Marie Therese von hohenberg used it in her wedding

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7574/anthonymariethereseinth.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 13, 2011, 06:44:01 AM
Thank you so much!  :) :) :)

The matching brooch to the ring I posted:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000339403-006-1.jpg)

Another one of Elisabeth's necklaces:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000339403-005-1.jpg)

And a photo / drawing with the cross posted by Prinzessin Adelheid:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/13812199-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
The diamond & emerald jewels are redone as copies and could be bought in the Austrian Museum Shop in Vienna. Alas ! Only glass...
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 14, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
Yes. I couldn't afford either the copies nor the original ones. lol
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2011, 01:30:38 PM
I saw them when I visited Vienna. I bought Marie Valerie's brooch for my mother and a few diamond stars. All copies from the Museum shop. Saw the emerald reproductions but think they look too art deco for Sisi. Anyway they are not cheap.
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 14, 2011, 03:54:11 PM
They are not my favourites, either.
Another set from the KHM which is a replique of Elisabeth's set. My favourite one. But again - really expensive.

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/22570-large.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/21230-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewels of the Habsburgs
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
The pearl & diamond pin replica looks nice...