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Title: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 19, 2005, 08:15:53 AM
I had been thinking of starting a thread on Helen for awhile now. She is another favorite of mine. I'm wondering, does anyone have any pictures of her as an elderly woman? She lived from 1896-1982, and it seems like after the 1950's, there are no more pictures of her to be found.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 19, 2005, 08:47:46 AM
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I had been thinking of starting a thread on Helen for awhile now. She is another favorite of mine. I'm wondering, does anyone have any pictures of her as an elderly woman? She lived from 1896-1982, and it seems like after the 1950's, there are no more pictures of her to be found.



Alicky, there are family photos of Helen - and she was photographed at various events - but by the 60s and 70s, she was really not newsworthy.  I have a nice photo of Helen and her sister Irene taken only a few years before Irene's death but due to copyright restrictions -- I am a stickler about copyright due to my profession and respect for intellectual property laws.  I own the print, but not the right to post or publish without the permission of the photographer.

The same photo may be in Bobby Golden's book.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: kmerov on January 19, 2005, 12:07:01 PM
Did she ever become queen? I still havnt figured it out!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2005, 12:35:33 PM
She was called Queen Mother since she was the mother of a King but never became Queen herself.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 19, 2005, 12:45:41 PM
On the Royal Family dvd, King Michael said that he was extremely close to his mother, and that he often saw her crying. Her husband Carol treated her so cruelly. He had an open affair within months of their marriage, and he only let Michael see Helen twice a year. Michael said that Carol insisted he always wear shorts. So when Michael was meeting King George V of England, Helen dressed him in long pants because she felt it was more appropriate. When Carol heard about this, he was furious and took Michael away from Helen. I don't know how long for, but anyway, what a life for poor Michael!

I've also heard that Carol used to up the stairs on all fours, howling like a dog!

Does anyone have any nice anecdotes about Helen?


Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 19, 2005, 01:14:13 PM
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She was called Queen Mother since she was the mother of a King but never became Queen herself.


Helen was indeed known as queen - and styled as such by Carol II
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 19, 2005, 05:44:20 PM
Well, you're the expert on these kinds of things so I'll defer to you. I just read something somewhere recently which said that King Michael gave her the title of Queen Mother to settle the matter. I guess they were wrong.  :-/
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on January 19, 2005, 06:19:53 PM
There are some extemely nice photos of Helen of Greece/Romania in the book I co-authored to commemorate King Michael's 80th birthday.

I have some nice photos of her in the Eurohistory archive from birth to her old age and have also visited her grave several times.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Jim1026 on January 19, 2005, 06:47:38 PM
Where exactly is Pss Helen buried?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 19, 2005, 08:44:40 PM
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Well, you're the expert on these kinds of things so I'll defer to you. I just read something somewhere recently which said that King Michael gave her the title of Queen Mother to settle the matter. I guess they were wrong.  :-/


There are references to Carol creating Helen Queen at the beginning of his reign. However, in 1940, the Romanian Parliament named her as Queen Mother.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 19, 2005, 08:46:14 PM
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I had been thinking of starting a thread on Helen for awhile now. She is another favorite of mine. I'm wondering, does anyone have any pictures of her as an elderly woman? She lived from 1896-1982, and it seems like after the 1950's, there are no more pictures of her to be found.



Have you read Arthur Gould Lee's biography of Helen?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 21, 2005, 03:30:11 PM
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She was called Queen Mother since she was the mother of a King but never became Queen herself.


The decree was on June 12, 1930.  King Carol II noted that his former wife was already queen before the divorce.  Carol's view "was that on the death of KIng Ferdinand he, as Crown Prince Carol, automatically became king by right. His wife, since they were not then divorced, became queen in the same manner."

according to the official decree "the king authorizes her royal highness Princess Helen, to bear the title "her Majesty."  The decree was published in the official monitor.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on January 22, 2005, 09:13:43 AM
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Where exactly is Pss Helen buried?


She is buried in Lausanne, next to her beloved cousin Princess Paul of Yugoslavia (née Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark) and Olga's husband, Prince Regent Paul, and their son Prince Nicholas, who died tragically at too early an age.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Jim1026 on January 22, 2005, 02:28:28 PM
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She is buried in Lausanne, next to her beloved cousin Princess Paul of Yugoslavia (née Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark) and Olga's husband, Prince Regent Paul, and their son Prince Nicholas, who died tragically at too early an age.

Arturo Beéche


Wasn't Prince Regent Paul originally buried in Paris or
is it something I imagined I heard?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 22, 2005, 05:49:00 PM
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Have you read Arthur Gould Lee's biography of Helen?


No, I've never been able to find a copy. Well, at least a reasonably priced one! I would so love to read it though!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 22, 2005, 05:52:53 PM
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There are some extemely nice photos of Helen of Greece/Romania in the book I co-authored to commemorate King Michael's 80th birthday.

I have some nice photos of her in the Eurohistory archive from birth to her old age and have also visited her grave several times.

Arturo Beéche


Yes--that's another book on my want list! Arturo, have you ever met King Michael?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on January 22, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
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Yes--that's another book on my want list! Arturo, have you ever met King Michael?


Dear Alicky,

Yes of course I have, on many, many occasions.   King Michael, Queen Anne, Princess Margarita and her husband were here in San Francisco in October 2000 at the time we had the ERHJ Royalty Conference.  Princess margarita gave a speech at the conference and we had sevral events with them around the Bay Area.

I have also visited their old home in Versoix several times and have spent time with them in Brussels, Paris and London as well as Washington DC.  His Majesty is a wonderfully caring, sweet man...an inspiration really for all tos eof us honored enough to have met him.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Jim1026 on January 26, 2005, 06:46:04 PM
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She is buried in Lausanne, next to her beloved cousin Princess Paul of Yugoslavia (née Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark) and Olga's husband, Prince Regent Paul, and their son Prince Nicholas, who died tragically at too early an age.

Arturo Beéche

Arturo:   Which cemetery in Lausanne is Pss. Helen buried?
Do you have any pictures of Her grave and Pr Paul and Pss. Olga you could share with us. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on January 28, 2005, 05:12:08 PM
Queen Mother Helen of Romania is buried in the Bois-des-Vaux Cemetery, Lausanne, Switzerland.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Jim1026 on January 28, 2005, 06:35:31 PM
Thank you Arturo for the information.  Was this also the Cemetery where Queen Victoria Eugenie of Spain rested until her remains were translated to El Escorial?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on January 28, 2005, 07:21:32 PM
I believe it might have been the same where she was before the transfer to El Escorial.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on March 01, 2005, 06:51:32 PM
I read somewhere that Helen was pregnant when she married Carol.  From what I have read about Helen 's(Sitta) personality and sheltered upbringing I found this hard to believe.

Does anyone have any information on this subject or information on why she married Carol in the first place?

I have nver been able to get feel on Carol II's personality, appeal to women or appeal in general.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 01, 2005, 10:01:38 PM
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I read somewhere that Helen was pregnant when she married Carol.  From what I have read about Helen 's(Sitta) personality and sheltered upbringing I found this hard to believe.

Does anyone have any information on this subject or information on why she married Carol in the first place?

I have nver been able to get feel on Carol II's personality, appeal to women or appeal in general.

TampaBay



Arthur Gould Lee, in his biography of Helen, refers a little bit to why - but the book was written in the 50s, and no one was going to come out and say that Michael was not premature.

Paul Quinlan's biography of Carol II - the Playboy King (inspite of the title, the book is rather scholarly) goes into more detail - he had access to Carol's secretary's diaries.  Marie wanted this match - and actually Carol's position as an eligible prince was rather low considering his escapades - Helen's family was in exile, and she was grieving the death of her beloved brother, Alexander.  Her mother who did not like Marie and did not trust Carol, tried to caution her, but Helen did not listen.  Some years later, she said she wished she had listened -as this would have saved her years of heartache and pain.  

Quinlan refers to Helen being pregnant (3.5 months in May and they were married on March 10th).  Michael weighed 7lbs. That's a rather large preemie  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eurohistory on March 03, 2005, 10:00:27 AM
I believe that it is generaly accepted in ciurcles close to the Romanian royal family that the conception of His Majesty took place before the wedding of his parents and even perhaps in rather lesser romantic circumstances.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 10, 2005, 03:09:16 PM
OK everyone.  I also posted this on the Hohenzollern(?) topic board.  I saw the following picture of Moretta, and I thought immediatly of how much she resembled her niece, Princess Helen, Queen Mother of Romania.  Anyone agree? Maybe someone can post pics of both and we can determine.  

Here's the site I found: http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/Moretta.html

Regards!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:52:19 PM
Isn't she stunning?


(http://img276.echo.cx/img276/6123/01411117fo.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:55:11 PM
In Greek national costume.

(http://img276.echo.cx/img276/8964/0166nm.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 03:56:05 PM
(http://img276.echo.cx/img276/5389/0152od.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 29, 2005, 01:54:54 PM
when did she die?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 01, 2005, 11:55:16 AM
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4835/0139tj.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Finelly on July 01, 2005, 04:23:07 PM
Imagine giving that up for a painted, selfish, controlling, evil trollop.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 01, 2005, 04:25:28 PM
Carol II was :P


[even if he has done some good things for education and culture in Romania]
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 14, 2005, 06:33:42 PM
Palimpsest, thank you so much for posting these lovely photos of Helen. My favorite is the first one...she is simply stunning. I imagine her as having a soft, kind voice and a charming giggle...in the pictures I've seen of her smiling, there's a certain gleam in her eye...I bet she had a keen sense of humor. Lord knows she would have needed one to get through the trials and tribulations forced upon her. A truly amazing woman.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 14, 2005, 07:13:46 PM
Her son has a good sense of humor too! You're probably right about this!



I'll try to find more photos.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 15, 2005, 05:15:43 AM
Oh that would be wonderful...thank you!

King Michael comes across as such a gentle man, with such kindly eyes... I would love to know more about his sense of humor, Palimpsest--if you know of any stories!  :D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 15, 2005, 02:26:28 PM
Here is one that I witnessed [so don’t expect too much, it was more about the specific context, and it wouldn’t be funny to explain it all]: Somebody said “X holds the key for understanding the Z situation.” and King Michael replied sharply and softly “Maybe just one of them  :)!”… and everybody around laughed [more than they should though, and I understood why later]. The entrance-hall of Savarsin Castle [where we were heading] was full of numerous honorific Keys of the cities that the king visited after his return to Romania and everybody made the connection.


About his eyes you are right but... they can also very... royal... he can "froze" you with just one look [if you deserve it].
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 15, 2005, 05:04:36 PM
 :D I think I get it, Palimpsest! Thank you for that story!

So did you get on the bad side of King Michael?  ;D I suppose some people might forget themselves around him, if he really is as kindly as he looks....but he'll just as easily remind them of who he is!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 15, 2005, 09:50:09 PM
"bad side" ;D

it was just am intense look... like a very serious contemplation... when he is in a “ceremony” or something less pleasing happens. Look at the first picture in the "King Michael of Romania" thread. Romanians have a gift of making themselves ridiculous because of the lack of "good sense" these days [inherited from the communist period], and the king is probably less pleased and worried by the behavior that some of my countrymen [including palimpsest] display.

something like this:

(http://img45.echo.cx/img45/8525/0101bq.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 17, 2005, 08:19:11 PM
Thanks! ;) ;D




Here is Queen Elena in Bucharest [1941?]
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 17, 2005, 08:53:57 PM
P. Nicholas, P. Irina of Greece, P. Cristofor of Greece and Elena at Peles Castle. 1923

(http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/7307/untitled1317yf.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 17, 2005, 09:04:18 PM
with Michael
(http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/5248/untitled1fr1rj.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marc on July 19, 2005, 06:32:31 AM
I have seen somewhere that there is a beautiful portrait of her by de Laszlo!Is there any chance that you could find it?Maybe in Romania there are good books about royal families...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 19, 2005, 10:29:22 AM
This is the closest I could come to finding the portrait of Helen.

http://www.peterkurth.com/MICHAEL%20OF%20ROMANIA.htm
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marc on July 19, 2005, 05:55:06 PM
I also saw this site!That's why I asked is there any book in Romania with colour portraits of their rulers...the most beautiful portraits are always in some books!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 07:09:46 PM
This portrait is in Michael's villa in Versoix. I remember seeing some better photos of the interior of the villa with that image. Maybe even a separate photo of it. Unfortunately I'm away from Romania right now but I can ask some of my friends [if I can find them!].
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Post by: Marlene on August 15, 2005, 10:37:15 AM
Michael and Anne moved from Versoix to a smaller place earlier this year

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This portrait is in Michael's villa in Versoix. I remember seeing some better photos of the interior of the villa with that image. Maybe even a separate photo of it. Unfortunately I'm away from Romania right now but I can ask some of my friends [if I can find them!].

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 15, 2005, 11:17:57 AM
Thanks Marlene. In the same country?
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Post by: Marlene on August 15, 2005, 02:00:18 PM
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Thanks Marlene. In the same country?



yes
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 15, 2005, 08:12:27 PM
Michael, P. Philip of Greece [Duke of Edinburgh] , P. Dorotheea od Baden, P. Margarita of Hohenlohe and P. Elena, in Bucharest, 1928

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5368/untitled6mic4bj.jpg)
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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 16, 2005, 10:59:58 AM
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This is the closest I could come to finding the portrait of Helen.

http://www.peterkurth.com/MICHAEL%20OF%20ROMANIA.htm



Need help?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/helenportrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on August 18, 2005, 06:08:51 AM
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Michael, P. Philip of Greece [Duke of Edinburgh] , P. Dorotheea od Baden, P. Margarita of Hohenlohe and P. Elena, in Bucharest, 1928


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great pic! look at the look on philip's face :D

edited to add: philip and michael are first cousins, right?


Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on August 21, 2005, 11:15:50 AM
Philip & Helen, Princess of Greece & Queen of Romania are first cousins.  Phillip's father Andrew and Helen's father King Constatine "Tino" are brothers.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on August 25, 2005, 08:16:01 AM
oh sorry, i got them mixed... wow... :)


quite an age gap  :P

(http://www.royalty-postcards.com/Images/Wanted/Romania/Princes_Helen.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 09, 2005, 02:36:54 PM
Hello all,

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I was just wondering what the relationship was like between Queen Marie and her daughter-in-law, Queen Mother Helen.

With Carol leaving her and coming back, and the divorce and all.

Was Queen Marie supportive of Helen?

I remember reading somewhere of Queen Marie mentioning that Helen was turning then Prince Michael into a "fat little greek" or something, when the Princess's family was with her after the 1922 deposition of King Constantine.

Regards
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 09, 2005, 02:54:12 PM
This was a relationship that evolved. I think at first the relationship between the two was not always smooth and amicable. Queen Marie was (IMHO) a character and one of those larger than life people who demands center stage and attention. Queen Mother Helen was a more sedate individual. It was probably like oil and water at first.

On top of that, Helen was pregnant early in her marriage and not happy and supported by her husband. Surely Marie realized how awful a partner her son was.

Certainly after a few years, Marie came to be appalled by how Carol treated his wife.  I believe for the rest of their lives, there was sympathy and respect between the two ladies. It was not likely a friendship as there would be from two people who enjoy the same interests or who are alike in character. But, certainly there was respect, and probably love, too.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 09, 2005, 03:01:01 PM
great subject!!!!
i read that when Marie was very ill Helen visited her and they got along very well and Marie said she was happy to see Sitta again...for the last time :'( :'( :'( and she said Helen looked lovely and  that she was kind as usually...
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 09, 2005, 04:14:19 PM
i think it was a complex relationship. when elena came, marie was the center of attention. i don't think she cared much about elena. when elena became queen mother, she suddenly was more important, while marie gradually lost her role. for a while i think she was resentfull and maybe that's why she didn't like elena for a while. but then when carol came back and elena was pretty much eliminated from the public life, marie became sympathetic. because by that time carol was persecuting the both of them.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2005, 04:27:18 PM
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This was a relationship that evolved. I think at first the relationship between the two was not always smooth and amicable. Queen Marie was (IMHO) a character and one of those larger than life people who demands center stage and attention. Queen Mother Helen was a more sedate individual. It was probably like oil and water at first.

On top of that, Helen was pregnant early in her marriage and not happy and supported by her husband. Surely Marie realized how awful a partner her son was.

Certainly after a few years, Marie came to be appalled by how Carol treated his wife.  I believe for the rest of their lives, there was sympathy and respect between the two ladies. It was not likely a friendship as there would be from two people who enjoy the same interests or who are alike in character. But, certainly there was respect, and probably love, too.


Lisa,  Helen got pregnant before the wedding, actually.  The media, at the time, described Michael as "premature", but he was a rather large baby.  Moreover, the family does not deny that Helen was with child before she went down the aisle.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 09, 2005, 08:02:49 PM
Well, Lisa says Helen was pregnant early in her marriage--not got pregnant early in her marriage--so it's still correct. Maybe just a subtle way of expressing it.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2005, 09:17:16 PM
Oh...That is a complex relationship. However even under the most intense pressure, they did not entirely fall out. One of the reasons is that both have a keen sense of humour. I read in Elena's book by Gould Lee that she did some imitation of Missy and left the queen in skittes...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 10, 2005, 03:00:26 AM
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Oh...That is a complex relationship. However even under the most intense pressure, they did not entirely fall out. One of the reasons is that both have a keen sense of humour. I read in Elena's book by Gould Lee that she did some imitation of Missy and left the queen in skittes...


now this is hard to imagine...Helen imitating Missy and Missy left in skittes :-/
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on December 10, 2005, 07:50:18 AM
Yet it makes sense, as Queen Marie was larger than life and very conscious of her beauty and charisma - in fact a little vain!  She would have thus been delighted to be imitated, and certainly Queen Helen would not have done it in a nasty way but imitate her larger than life moments.  I also read this somewhere, maybe Arthur Gould Lee (who was very close to his source during the writing of the biography, and would not have invented this) or somewhere else as well, can't quite remember.  It was also known in Court circles that Queen Helen would do brilliant imitations of King Ferdinand for Queen Marie, who would be in stitches at Queen Helen's perfect mimicking of "Nando's" german accent!   :D :D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 08:13:49 AM
Yes in that regard, Helen is very much like her Uncle, Prince Nicholas of Greece, who delighted his Aunts (particularly Queen Alexandra) with his imitations. Once he wrote a bike and ran over the old queen's dog, Alexandra freaked out and yelled "He has killed my dog ! He has killed my dog !". When it was discovered that the animal was unhurt, Nicholas did a wicked imiyation of her aunt in distress. Queen Alexandra collapsed in fits of laughter and made her nephew performed this again and again... ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 10, 2005, 10:13:04 AM
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Lisa,  Helen got pregnant before the wedding, actually.  The media, at the time, described Michael as "premature", but he was a rather large baby.  Moreover, the family does not deny that Helen was with child before she went down the aisle.


Marlene - I am familiar as indeed I think you are of the circumstances of HM King Michael's conception. Indeed, the family is quite candid about these circumstances. Since Queen Mother Helen was blameless in the matter, I prefer to state matters as I did.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 11:00:27 AM
I think Missy and Sitta enjoyed a good relationship most of the time, although there were scrapes. Missy put all the hopes on Sitta and expect her to reform her wayward son. It took them both years to discover how hopeless their case was. :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 10, 2005, 05:43:31 PM
probably missy, like almost any other mother with a not so good son, thought that he was behaving the way he was because there was no-one to 'take care' of him and she expected helen to do that. she probably said something like 'it's helen's fault cause she can't better him...'. i'm sure that she realized in the end that it wasn't that. although it is my personal opinion that helen is not without fault and that the fact that the marriage was a complete mismatch didn't help matters. carol could be influenced quite easily (see elena lupescu), too bad only the wrong woman knew how to do that.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 06:47:19 PM
To put blame on Elena's door is unfair, as she was so closeted in the Royal Family that she knew little of women like Magda. Queen Sophie, who knew about these things tried to warn her daughter but without success. She said " Had I listen to her, I would be spared years of unhappiness."Missy also understood that and a bond was formed between the two women, whose mutual love of Michael and fear for Carol are common to both.  :-X
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 02:47:28 AM
well...Helen was cold to Carol:(
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2005, 08:05:45 AM
I don't think she was. She loved him, but she might be "too proper" for Carol's taste judging from his taste in women is like Zizi or the sexy siren Magda  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on December 11, 2005, 08:08:49 AM
Even if she were cool to Carol she had ample justification, and he didn't give her a chance anyway. She wasn't one to start swinging from chandeliers to hang on to a husband who, in any case, needed little - if no- excuse to bed other women all over Bucharest and elsewhere! Also, Michael's birth had been extremely difficult and she was  advised not to have any more children.  In those circumstances it would have been very difficult indeed to satisfy an insatiable husband.....If there had been real love between them they could have overcome theses difficulties.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 09:37:37 AM
anyway she was a perfect mother and a wonderful grandmother:)and Carol a ... father >:( >:(
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2005, 09:42:22 AM
I think Missy noticed the good qualities of Sitta later on, and they bonded as both suffered under Carol's regime.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 11, 2005, 11:45:54 AM
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well...Helen was cold to Carol:(
Laura


Do you have any evidence of this? My understanding from the family is that Carol was very uncaring towards his wife. He was both physically and emotionally abusive to her. I would like to see some source material about Helen's "coldness".

Besides, it's just too convenient for a spouse to allege something like this to justify his/her infidelity - and Carol was a bounder.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 12:11:38 PM
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Do you have any evidence of this? My understanding from the family is that Carol was very uncaring towards his wife. He was both physically and emotionally abusive to her. I would like to see some source material about Helen's "coldness".

Besides, it's just too convenient for a spouse to allege something like this to justify his/her infidelity - and Carol was a bounder.


well i've read this in many books...this is a  well known
thing,Marie wrote it in her diary(if Sitta wouldn't be that cold etc etc),Gauthier wrote about this,Quinlan also,and many other...she became very cold after giving birth...but this doesn't excuse Carol's behaviour nor makes Helen guilty of anything...her husband wasn't there for her when she needed him the most , he never loved her so he wasn't able to encourage her in that difficult period :(and she became cold to him(i repeat it is only  his fault);she dedicated herself to be a perfect mother and she succeded...but she wan't able to satisfy Carol anymore...

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 11, 2005, 01:36:56 PM
i think they were a completely unsuited match. a guy like carol needed someone more... let's say, either as insatiable as him, or willing to satisfy his appetite. helen was not the type. and this is not just about the physical aspect. carol was impulsive, helen was not. while two impulsives might not be the best of ideas, one impulsive and one cool is even worse. at some point one gets sick of the 'dignified attitude'. i am not blaming helen. i think she did the best she could. what i am saying is that maybe a different type of woman could have received  a better treatment.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: palimpsest on December 11, 2005, 04:13:41 PM
There is a big difference between the two


I cannot imagine Queen Elena in any situation “abusing” others for her benefit
But Carol… oh God! I have a hard time imagining even one situation in which he would not scheme something to his benefit, with little scruples [but cunning, classy, not like the communist hyenas]
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 11, 2005, 05:16:34 PM
maybe, but i think he was easy to manipulate once someone got to know him. look what the duduia made of him.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 12, 2005, 02:11:37 AM
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maybe, but i think he was easy to manipulate once someone got to know him. look what the duduia made of him.


well he was the son of Ferdinand...of course he was easy to manipulate...
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 12, 2005, 06:05:04 AM
;D

i don't think his sister elizabeth, for example, was easy to manipulate. just as evil, just as sneaky, but different :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 12, 2005, 02:41:03 PM
i pity these two unfortunate human beings(Carol&Elisabeth)...human??? well i must correct myself...these unfortunate beings
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: L. on December 12, 2005, 02:46:37 PM
  I think that is because Queen Elisabeth (Carmen Sylva) >:(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 12, 2005, 03:43:58 PM
as i said i don't believe this...i think this is a problem of nature...which in their case prooved to be very...hmm...i can't find a proper word...Carmen Sylva spoiled them but she was far better than they were...she was intelligent ,decent,mannered...while Carol and his sister were not at all these things >:(

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 12, 2005, 04:44:20 PM
Wow, look at how much of a response this topic received!

You know, in Greece, there is an old saying, maybe supersticious if you will, that two siblings should not be married in the same year.

I can only imagine if that was true even more so in this case, as siblings from two families married each other. (Helen with Carol, Elisabeth with George).

Regards
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 03:51:42 AM
Queen Sophie was quite upset with these weddings, she correctly assessed that they came from two different worlds and would not work out. Painfully she was later proved right when both marriages fail... :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on December 13, 2005, 03:12:55 PM
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Queen Sophie was quite upset with these weddings, she correctly assessed that they came from two different worlds and would not work out. Painfully she was later proved right when both marriages fail... :(


Does anyone on the board have any sources as to Queen Sophie's exact sentiments on these marriages?
And why she didn't put her foot down to stop them?

Regards
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 13, 2005, 03:20:02 PM
i read somewhere that some tradition said that if two siblings married two siblings, they had to marry the same day. but missy wanted to take part in both her children's weddings so she delayed one wedding. and that was taken as a bad omen
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 06:22:34 PM
Queen Sophie tried to talk her daughter out of the marriage with Carol but failed. Queen Mother Elena told Lee in his book "Had I listened to her, I would have avoided years of unhappiness." Sophie also was very reserve toawrds Elisabetta all throughout her marriage to George.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on December 31, 2005, 09:46:43 PM
Hmm, can't blame Sophie for being reserved towards Elisabetta, from what I've read of her.  Sophie did encourage the match at first because George was in love, and Sophie did not know Elisabetta that well.  Carol's behavior was hard to hide though.  Helen was just too good for him, I think.  I can't find anything to sympathize with in King Carol II.  He probably just couldn't stay with Helen because that would have made his mother happy... and that definitely was not something Carol ever wanted to do.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 31, 2005, 10:19:50 PM
Yes...however once Elisabetta married George, Sophie was neither kind and attentive towards her. Even Missy cmplained "At least I had given "her" daughter (meaning Sophie's daughter Helen) a tiara". Sophie didn't allow Elisabetta near her jewels. The only ones that Elisabetta recieved were from Queen Olga, who left George her emerald collection. She had it made into a demi-parure consists of a superb tiara and necklace. She later sold it to her sister-in-law, Queen Frederica. They are now worn by Queen Anne Marie of Greece.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 01, 2006, 05:37:01 PM
yes and Elisabeth was insatiable about jewells so Sophie must have given her a terrible blow :-/


Laura
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 01, 2006, 06:06:59 PM
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Hmm, can't blame Sophie for being reserved towards Elisabetta, from what I've read of her.  Sophie did encourage the match at first because George was in love, and Sophie did not know Elisabetta that well.  Carol's behavior was hard to hide though.  Helen was just too good for him, I think.  I can't find anything to sympathize with in King Carol II.  He probably just couldn't stay with Helen because that would have made his mother happy... and that definitely was not something Carol ever wanted to do.


carol's marriage failure had nothing to do with missy or his desire to displease her (i don't think he consciously admitted anything of the kind). helen was simply too diplomatic and too much of a typical high bred wife to be good for him. he needed someone like duduia, who pretty much bossed him around. he was a confused man, he stayed a confused man till he died. there's not a single thing that he did that he didn't retract at one point in his life. he gave up on his throne twice, and both of the times came back. the second time he had come to actually believe that he had been forced into giving up by his political enemies. he was totally lost and needed guidance: enter duduia :D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2006, 11:23:37 PM
Yes...The match between Helen & Carol was a mistake from the start. The only thing positive about it was the linking of bloodlines & dynasties. Sadly in 20th Century, it is not enough to maintain a marriage.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on January 02, 2006, 01:32:41 PM
Well, they also had a fine son, IMO.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on January 04, 2006, 11:06:33 AM
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Well, they also had a fine son, IMO.


Well, as they say, from thorns come roses...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 19, 2006, 12:31:22 PM
I think that Queen Mother Helen (or Elena) was more popular in Romania than her mother-in-low the queen Marie. People loved this unfortunate princess for her great beauty and because she was courageous and charitable.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 19, 2006, 01:49:15 PM
oh no this is not true...i'm romanian and i can assure you Queen Marie is a myth while Helen is remembered as an upright lady,a great mother and grandmother though not a great queen...

Queen Marie is considered to have been Romania's greatest queen and she was more courageous and charitable than Helen ...and it is Marie that is even today remembered for her great beauty

Laura:)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 21, 2006, 12:00:53 PM
I think that Helen of Greece/Romania was the most beautiful princess of her time. She had a perfect profile like a Greek statue and she was too so elegant and sophisticated.
The twenties style and fashion suited her very well.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2006, 09:28:37 AM
Well...The truth should be told. I think Helen was quite plain and without style when she first married Carol. However she gradually grew into it and remained stylish till the end. The contrast with her sister-in-law, Mignon could not have been greater. She who was a beautiful girl and although already showing signs of being heavy, could have taken her mother and Aunt Ena's example, but chose not to.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 22, 2006, 09:44:48 AM
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She... could have taken her mother and Aunt Ena's example, but chose not to.  :(


not very easy though...hard to follow Missy or Ena  i should say ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2006, 01:13:59 PM
I think Mignon and Ena have similar built and shape, but Ena knew how to made the clothes fit her and select her jewels with care. Mignon just doesn't want to be bothered, no wonder her husband found his cousin, Paul's refined, fashionable and sophiticated wife, Olga much more interesting (much to his wife's jealousy). I think the all the Greek Princesses have some style over other princesses.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on January 24, 2006, 07:53:23 AM
All things considered, IMO, Marie and Helen had a good relationship!  All mother-in-laws and daughter-in-laws have an occasiional "spat" or "row".  Royals are no different.

TampaBay

Off-Topic:  I have always wondered what King Michael thought about his grandmother Queen Marie.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2006, 01:32:18 PM
Yes...Helen was big hearted too. She forgave Elisabetta after she slapped her during one of their tiffs.  :o
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on January 24, 2006, 01:48:25 PM
Yes, and the mark of her slap remained for several days.  Horrible woman. If we are talking about animals, Elisabeta - how would you qualify her?  You know, sort of Proust questionnaire stuff.  Probably she was deeply unhappy too.  I suppose that we should not judge. We all have faults, some worse than others!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2006, 07:13:56 PM
Yes...Elisabetta had her disapointments in life too. However so did Sitta ! Being married to her brother was hardly a walk in the park. Yet, Carol was "her" brother, and to Elisabetta that meant siding with him no matter what the facts were. Another factor was that Sitta was George's sister, and her own marriage also went down the tubes... >:(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 25, 2006, 03:32:29 PM
elisabetta was a snake
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2006, 07:31:15 PM
Poor Elisabetta went from misunderstood to being horrible. But...also a woman of disapointments too.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 26, 2006, 02:37:13 AM
"Poor Elisabetta"  ??? ??? i don't think so...poor those who suffered because of this being
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 26, 2006, 12:17:29 PM
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I agree ! Helen's slender build made her ideal for 20]s and thirties fashion, while her sister-in-law law Mignon, who was more stout, gradually became a fat cow.  :P

Sure, Marie was not so pretty as her sister-in-law. But, all the romanian Princesses were strong like their mother in her older age. And Elizaveta was fater than her younger sister !
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2006, 08:13:37 PM
No...Mignon was actually prettier than Helen as she had more classical features and lovely skin like her mother. However in her later years paid little attention to her looks and gradual her weight problems contribute to be becoming "the cow". Helen , who was not as classical in featues, made it up by dressing elegent. The styles in the late 20's and 30's were flattering to her slim figure. another who did the same was Elisabeth, Queen of Belgium.  
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2006, 06:39:02 PM
Elena/Helen was more graceful, natural looking and lady like than a born beauty like Missy.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on February 05, 2006, 02:14:00 AM
i completely disagree... missy was grace... helen herself was very elegant and graceful, but i don't think she ever beat her mother-in-law
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2006, 07:08:27 AM
I think they are very different types. Missy was more forward, extrovert, a beauty to be behold. Helen was more elegant, quiet but also very firm in her belief too. They did learn to appreciate each other.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 05, 2006, 11:39:01 AM
 ok Mignon and Helen can be compared;but to compare Helen with Queen Marie this is far too much  and useless cause will never agree on that that's for sure >:( >:(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2006, 03:12:32 AM
I think they are both good in their own way and style, although Missy shines like the sun, and Helen is like the moon.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on February 07, 2006, 08:48:39 AM
Does anyone have pictures of the beautiful Queen Marie of Romania and her daughter-in-law Helen posing together in the 1920's and 1930's, please ? I would be curious to see that. Thanks for your posts.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 08, 2006, 04:31:51 AM
yes she deffinetly had taste in clothes:)

...and i think Marie dressed herself in black not to overshadow her daughter-in-law on her wedding day ;D same situation at Mignon's wedding   ;D hard to have  a mother or mother-in-law like Queen Marie of Romania ;D ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 08, 2006, 04:33:48 AM
i wish they had taken more photos on this day;i have seen only 3 photos of Helen as a bride:this and another one with Carol,and one with Helen alone :( :( :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on February 13, 2006, 08:31:55 AM
It is definitely Helen.  Softer expression, shorter nose, Irene also had a longer face and jaw.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2006, 09:06:48 AM
Hmmm...I am still not totally convinced. I have seen pictures of Irene looked just like Helen. Especially if they use softer light and the same hair style. This sketch can go either way in my opinion (and I have seen a lot of royal pics...) ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on February 13, 2006, 11:26:23 AM
You are right, and they dressed in a similar way and so on, but I promise, promise that this is Helen!! I have not seen as many royal pics as you have I am sure,  :-* :-* but I have seen and studied loads of Queen Helen - I really admire her.  I simply cannot find a picture I know exists somewhere, a portrait of Irene by de Laszlo I think, perhaps I saw it in a book, and it looks like the one of Helen, but you can see the difference clearly.  Anyone out there have a picture of Irene??
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 20, 2006, 03:17:47 PM
there is another photo in Later Chapters...;Marie and Helen are on horseback:)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: L. on February 20, 2006, 03:42:30 PM
 
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there is another photo in Later Chapters...;Marie and Helen are on horseback:)


 Can you post that photo, please ??? :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 20, 2006, 07:01:03 PM
well my scaner has encountered some difficulties as you can easily notice on Grace Kelly's thread ;maybe another person here has the book and a better scaner...  :) :)...and could provide us with a high quality version of that photo  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 12, 2006, 04:51:52 AM
On some photos from the Twenties, we can see Helen, as a Crown Princess of Romania, photographed with her cousin Elisabeth of Greece. And on an other picture, she posed with Princesses Margarita and Theodora of Greece.
But, never with her others cousins Olga (b.1903) and Marina. Why that ? Did she have less good relations with their ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2006, 07:21:54 AM
The not posing togather for photos did not mean that they did not get along with each other, but just not an opportunity to meet. I think Queen Mother Helen posed with Marina, Duchess of Kent and Princess Paul of Yugoslavia in both the weddings of Princess Irene (to Arimone of Spoleto) and King Michael to Anne of Bourbon-Parme.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 12, 2006, 08:48:38 AM
And in 1934 ? I don't see Helen on any group photo of royal guests at Princess Marina's wedding ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2006, 10:58:23 AM
According to her bio, Helen was at Marina's wedding and her sister Irene (later Duchess Aosta) was a bridesmaid.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2006, 06:24:36 PM
A photo of Helen with some other Greek royals at the pre-wedding celebrations for George & Marina in 1934

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/greece/Picture4271greeksw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 26, 2006, 08:56:15 AM
I've read on an old article of Point de Vue Magazine that after her separation with Carol, Queen Helen of Romania wanted to spouse the Young Duke of Aosta. Is it true ? If yes, why didn't this marriage never take place ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 04, 2006, 09:19:38 AM
Crown Princess Helen of Romania in cavalery military uniform :

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6633/helen8na.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helen8na.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Yseult on April 06, 2006, 05:31:15 AM

She looks so pretty and gentle! Actually, I´m reading the marvellous book about the family of Queen Sophia (of Spain) and I am really fascinated about Helen. She was a woman of substance...brave, courageous, and, the most importand, good-hearted, faithful and loyal. I think she was sweet and tender with her son Mihai, very attached to her greeks relatives and compassionate to her husband and the sisters of her husband. Carol was a dreadful husband...When Helen married him, I suppose she knew all about the forbidden and then annulled by royal decree first marriage of Carol with Zizi Lambrino, but she must felt shocked for the "liaison" of the prince with Magda Lupescu and the stories about famous prostitutes as Foamea Neagra...

Helen did her best, remained in the country to take care of her little king Mihai while banished Carol and Magda spent a lot of money in a golden exile; but the return of Carol, who made himself a king and turned Mihai to the rank of a crown prince, was a tragedy because the monarch sent Helen far away from Romania and, so, far away from the child. Marie, Missy, was so ashamed because her daughter-in-law had not money enough to live with dignity into exile.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 06, 2006, 05:40:38 AM
A so chic Princess !

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2763/helen11wx.th.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helen11wx.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: anabel on April 08, 2006, 10:02:24 AM
Helene with her son - so sweet! :-*

(http://pics.vintagepostcards.com/r/r6354.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 23, 2006, 05:42:29 AM
Mama-Regina Elena of Romania in 1938 or 1939 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenirene.jpg)

Behind, we can see her inseparable sister, Princess Irene of Greece, later Duchess of Spolètes.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 02, 2006, 11:35:29 AM
Some more photos of this beautiful Great Lady :




(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenafur.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elena1940.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 02, 2006, 11:42:52 AM
Helen and son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenason2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 06, 2006, 05:18:38 AM
Helen as a young Princess of Greece : already a beauty !

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/youngelena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on May 09, 2006, 08:00:36 AM
pakula (again  :P... i've reread it recently and now i keep seeing opportunities to plant quotes on the forum):

'[...] carol and sitta's marriage had started to deteriorate soon after michael's birth. uncapable to satisfy her pretentious husband, the crown princess, like many generations of royal women before her, accepted his affairs and held her head up. the crack between them had aggravated by the death of sitta's father, king constantine, following which her mother, now widdow, and her sisters had come to live in bucharest with her. as a consequence, the crown princess was rarely seen alone with her husband. "here comes carol and his wives", people said at the palace with irony about prince carol and his suite of women. even the queen refered to her son's marriage as "carol & co".

only after a while marie realized the gravity of her son's situation. shocked when gossip hinted divorce, she categorically denied all the stories that circulated. "it would be hard to find a happier, more united, more content couple" she wrote to leile milne in england. "there's absolute harmony between them and she and i love each other truly. she is all i could ever want."'
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2006, 08:30:47 PM
There is actually more information on this from the new book on King Michael of Romania. Both Missy's and Sophie's letters with Helen's diaries were quoted...did you read it ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on May 10, 2006, 05:46:21 AM
no, i heard of it but haven't seen it in bookstores yet
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 29, 2006, 08:55:12 AM
Queen Mother Helen of Romania posing with her son Mihai, in 1940, after her return from exile :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenmihai2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on June 04, 2006, 07:34:18 PM
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There is actually more information on this from the new book on King Michael of Romania. Both Missy's and Sophie's letters with Helen's diaries were quoted...did you read it ?

What is the title of this book and who is the author?  Is this a Eurohistory book.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2006, 10:10:03 AM
No ! It is a Sutton book !

The book title is : Michael of Romania : The King And The Country by Ivor Porter

You can find it on Amazon.com.uk

The ISBN 0-7509-3847-1
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on June 26, 2006, 05:20:41 AM
Does anyone know the name of the Romanian Rrime Minister who invited Queen Helen back to Romania after Carol's II abdication?

This subject was very breifly mentioned in the Romania & King Michael episode of "War Stories"  brodcast tonight in the USA on FOX News Channel.


TampaBay

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 26, 2006, 09:06:24 AM
antonescu was in charge back then so i suppose it had to be him...
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Post by: TampaBay on June 26, 2006, 07:09:53 PM
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antonescu was in charge back then so i suppose it had to be him...


The Fox News Channel "War Stories with Oliver North" stated very plainly and broadly that Antonescu respected Queen Mother Helen and personally invited her back to Romania due the his personal respect for her.

However, it does not seem that King Michael had the same relationship with Antonescu.  

The American Veterans of WWII who were interned in Romania had nothing but the very highest regard for King Michael.  They had one WWII Veteran who came to Romaina after 62 years and personally thank the King for all that he did for him and and his mates/fellow POWs during their POW internment in Romania .

King Michael went above and beyond the accords of the Geneva Convention in housing/medical care/rations for the POWs captured on Romania soil.  Their lives were saved because he REFUSED to turn them over to Nazi Germany per this old WWII Veteran.  What a MAN let alone a King !!!  

The WWII American Veteran asked the Kings permission to shake his hand. Tthe King obliged.  It was very touching.  IMO, they both had very happy and very respectful tears in their eyes!

If you have a chance to view a repeat broadcast it is worth the hour of your time.


TampaBay
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Post by: ilyala on June 27, 2006, 09:50:36 AM
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antonescu was in charge back then so i suppose it had to be him...


The Fox News Channel "War Stories with Oliver North" stated very plainly and broadly that Antonescu respected Queen Mother Helen and personally invited her back to Romania due the his personal respect for her.

However, it does not seem that King Michael had the same relationship with Antonescu.  

antonescu was a very interesting character... respected by many still, despite many things he did. in a way i respect him too although he was a dictator. but at least he was a good one. i mean, yes, he did, i believe send some jews to camps, which is a very bad thing but he did it in moderate numbers, and i believe it was at the german pressure and not because he personally had anything against them.

antonescu stood up to hitler more than once and he did organize the country and the army. unfortunatly he admired the germans too much.

to make this post on topic, i believe he was the type of man who admired virtue and respectability. and i believe the queen mother was a model of virtue, especially when you compared her to her ex husband and his mistress. she was gracious, she was elegant, she was respected. bringing her back was a good move, and i'm sure he scored a few popularity points with it.

michael and antonescu did not get along because antonescu was too rough and too military for michael. that said, that doesn't mean they didn't at least respect each other.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2006, 12:23:50 AM
Indeed ! Helen was elegant and a model of virture.  ;)
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 29, 2006, 08:32:17 AM
Indeed. But Helen was also a very human personn. Her external appearance agreed completely with her beauty interior. Her control was always admirable. She had many vexations marital, but she never complained, never evil of anybody said and did not seek to divert her son Michael of his father Carol. Charitable, generous and sympathizing, she was very sensitive to misfortunes of the others. Thus, during the World War II, she courageously took party of the Jews against the oppression of the mode of Antonecu.
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2006, 06:16:44 PM
Was there a hint of any other romances for Helen after her marriage failed? (Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough to turn her off of romance for good.  :P ) Or did she, like Pss Marie Louise, regard herself as married nonetheless?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 30, 2006, 06:52:08 PM
I think she still managed to have dates (for dinner or movies...as she was shown with men at these functions), but I don't think she had anyone serious. After Karol, Michael (her son) became her no.1 man !  ;)
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Post by: KarlandZita on August 05, 2006, 06:24:47 AM
Was there a hint of any other romances for Helen after her marriage failed? (Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough to turn her off of romance for good.  :P ) Or did she, like Pss Marie Louise, regard herself as married nonetheless?

I read in an old article that Helen wished, at one time of her life, to marry the Duke of Aoste but that this project, for unknown reasons, was not carried out.
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Post by: Svetabel on August 05, 2006, 06:54:58 AM
Was there a hint of any other romances for Helen after her marriage failed? (Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough to turn her off of romance for good.  :P ) Or did she, like Pss Marie Louise, regard herself as married nonetheless?

I read in an old article that Helen wished, at one time of her life, to marry the Duke of Aoste but that this project, for unknown reasons, was not carried out.

Do you mean that Duke of Aosta, who was husband of her sister Irene?
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Post by: KarlandZita on August 05, 2006, 10:31:15 AM
Was there a hint of any other romances for Helen after her marriage failed? (Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was enough to turn her off of romance for good.  :P ) Or did she, like Pss Marie Louise, regard herself as married nonetheless?

I read in an old article that Helen wished, at one time of her life, to marry the Duke of Aoste but that this project, for unknown reasons, was not carried out.

Do you mean that Duke of Aosta, who was husband of her sister Irene?

This article does not specify it but I think rather than it was about Amedeo before he spouse Anne of Guise. But, I am not sure and I wanted to precisely know if someone else had intended some to speak.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 19, 2006, 11:50:10 AM
Well anyway the Duke of Spoleto married Princess Irene (Elene's sister), and later became the Duke of Aosta.
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Post by: KarlandZita on August 22, 2006, 07:27:57 AM
Yes, and they had only one son, Amédéo born in 1943, the current Duke of Aoste. ;)
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Post by: TampaBay on August 22, 2006, 06:53:17 PM
Yes, and they had only one son, Amédéo born in 1943, the current Duke of Aoste. ;)

Is not his son (current Duke of Aoste) engaged to marry the Daughter of Prince Michael of Greece? I may be confused as usual.

TampaBay
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 02, 2006, 11:56:42 AM
I wonder why Helen was called " Sitta " by her family ? Is that has a Rumanian significance and what is the translation in English ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2006, 02:49:22 PM
I thought it had to do with the inability of her siblings to say 'sister' when they were children.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 25, 2006, 04:35:10 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenauniform.jpg)
Portrait of the Crown Princess Elena of Romania in royal uniform
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2006, 07:32:36 PM
Lovely photo...Did it came from a newspaper ?  ??? It looks a bit grainy...
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 27, 2006, 11:49:33 AM
Yes, unfortunately, the photo is yellowed a little because it comes from an old magazine of the Eighties :-\
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Post by: Paul on December 01, 2006, 06:34:04 PM
Well...The truth should be told. I think Helen was quite plain and without style when she first married Carol. However she gradually grew into it and remained stylish till the end. The contrast with her sister-in-law, Mignon could not have been greater. She who was a beautiful girl and although already showing signs of being heavy, could have taken her mother and Aunt Ena's example, but chose not to.  :(

Queen Helen would be an excellent example of how some people "grow into their look". Agreed: the lady was stunning!
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 04:26:16 AM
with princess Ileana in national folk costumes :)

 (http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc417/th_83192_ileanaelena_122_417lo.jpg) (http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83192_ileanaelena_122_417lo.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 04:29:27 AM
 (http://img21.imagevenue.com/loc418/th_83441_elena_122_418lo.jpg) (http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83441_elena_122_418lo.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 03:49:09 PM
more Helen :)

 (http://img148.imagevenue.com/loc308/th_24184_dfjdj_122_308lo.jpg) (http://img148.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24184_dfjdj_122_308lo.jpg)

 (http://img129.imagevenue.com/loc377/th_24189_hsfdjehkj_122_377lo.jpg) (http://img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24189_hsfdjehkj_122_377lo.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 03:51:02 PM
the young couple :)



(http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc314/th_24323_yreur8eurie_122_314lo.jpg) (http://img153.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24323_yreur8eurie_122_314lo.jpg)(http://img131.imagevenue.com/loc433/th_24329_gfiiokhgo_122_433lo.jpg) (http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24329_gfiiokhgo_122_433lo.jpg)(http://img132.imagevenue.com/loc442/th_24334_tyhtgf_122_442lo.jpg) (http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24334_tyhtgf_122_442lo.jpg)  (http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc444/th_24721_krtgk_122_444lo.jpg) (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24721_krtgk_122_444lo.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 03:58:50 PM

(http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc355/th_24800_jhglkjl_122_355lo.jpg) (http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24800_jhglkjl_122_355lo.jpg)(http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc509/th_24806_ufdjk_122_509lo.jpg) (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24806_ufdjk_122_509lo.jpg)(http://img107.imagevenue.com/loc533/th_24811_dfhj_122_533lo.jpg) (http://img107.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24811_dfhj_122_533lo.jpg)  (http://img11.imagevenue.com/loc554/th_25195_gjjhgjjh_122_554lo.jpg) (http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25195_gjjhgjjh_122_554lo.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 22, 2006, 04:03:35 PM


(http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc346/th_25072_yfhd_122_346lo.jpg) (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25072_yfhd_122_346lo.jpg)(http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc418/th_25077_hkgo_122_418lo.jpg) (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25077_hkgo_122_418lo.jpg)(http://img126.imagevenue.com/loc592/th_25082_jdfjsj_122_592lo.jpg) (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25082_jdfjsj_122_592lo.jpg)(http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc427/th_25089_htfgkmh_122_427lo.jpg) (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25089_htfgkmh_122_427lo.jpg)
(http://img14.imagevenue.com/loc444/th_25094_hdfdhj_122_444lo.jpg) (http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=25094_hdfdhj_122_444lo.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 23, 2006, 10:41:07 AM
Oh ! Thousand mercies, Laurra, for these sublimes photos of Helen. I for a long time adore this splendid Princess who, of all the Royals, is my great favorite !
But, from which all these pictures come ? Thank you in advance for your answer. :D
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Post by: Laura_ on December 23, 2006, 11:33:12 AM
i'm glad you like them  KarlandZita :) they come from a book on Helen that was published in Romania .
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 24, 2006, 06:32:10 AM
i'm glad you like them  KarlandZita :) they come from a book on Helen that was published in Romania .


I would like much to read this biography of Helen, know you if this book were translated into French or English, please ? Thanks.
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Post by: Laura_ on December 24, 2006, 08:54:57 AM
Helen - Queen Mother of Romania by  Arthur Gould Lee
    Faber and Faber, London, 1956

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Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2006, 05:33:21 AM
Tkank you, Laurra, I hope to obtain it soon by ordering it on the Net. ;)
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Post by: Laura_ on December 26, 2006, 06:11:43 AM
Tkank you, Laurra, I hope to obtain it soon by ordering it on the Net. ;)

good luck with it :) its a very good book on Queen Helen of Romania :)
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 30, 2006, 08:30:36 AM
Two pictures of the young couple Elena and Carol :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenacarol8.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenacarol3.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 07, 2007, 01:16:15 PM
Apparently, Carol was never faithful to his wife. After his escape of Romania with his mistress Magda Lupescu, the statute of mother alone was very difficult to assume for Helen who was very unhappy of her situation.

Her son Mihai will acknowledge later that he very often saw his mother crying secretly without he daring to ask her the reason of it.
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Post by: Laura_ on January 07, 2007, 02:35:02 PM
thank you KarlandZita ,i've never seen these lovely pics before ,she was such a lovely princess :)

 do they come from a book on Helen ? :)
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Post by: Aleksasha on January 07, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
By the way. Did someone see pictures of the Queen Elena's beloved Villa Sparta in Florence ( in fact, in San Domenico di Fiesole, near Florence) ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2007, 07:36:02 PM
Not a lot I think. but Bobby Golden was inside once and told me about the halls. There were two Lazlos of Queen Olga & King Constantine. Very imposing ! Yes I would love to see if there are interior shots of Villa Sparta.  ;)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2007, 01:15:36 PM
thank you KarlandZita ,i've never seen these lovely pics before ,she was such a lovely princess :)

 do they come from a book on Helen ? :)


Not really. The first picture was sent to me by a friend with permission to post it on this forum. But I don't know where he found it. The second comes from a book on the Royal Families in general. ;)
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Post by: Laura_ on January 08, 2007, 02:52:08 PM
thank you for sharing them  with us  :)
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Post by: lori_c on January 08, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
This thread is devoted to the Princess Helen of Greece and Denmark, born in 1896 and died in 1982, daughter of King Constantin Ier and Queen Sophie of Greece, born Princess of Prussia.

This to exchange infos and pics of the young Princess in her native family and her country of origin, before she spouse Carol of Romania.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/littlegirl.jpg)
Princess Helen as a little girl

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1.jpg)
Young Helen in the middle with her parents and siblings

Thank you for the lovely pictures.  I find the top one, she resembles OTMA very much, only which would be hard to say.  How closely is she related to them. I am not familiar with her geneology, only with the part she played in marrying Karol. 
Thanking you in advance,

Lori
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Post by: Laura_ on January 08, 2007, 03:12:35 PM
Queen Sophie (Helen's mother) and empress Alexandra of Russia were first cousins  :)
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Post by: lori_c on January 09, 2007, 09:04:44 AM
Queen Sophie (Helen's mother) and empress Alexandra of Russia were first cousins  :)

Thanks so much.  Sometimes this interwoven family gets me so confused!!

Thanks again, :)

Lori
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 09:25:03 PM
thank you KarlandZita ,i've never seen these lovely pics before ,she was such a lovely princess :)

 do they come from a book on Helen ? :)


Not really. The first picture was sent to me by a friend with permission to post it on this forum. But I don't know where he found it. The second comes from a book on the Royal Families in general. ;)

The first one is really lovely--you can see much of Sophie (and even her sister Victoria) in Helen there.

The 2nd pops up frequently on ebay--I think there is at least one other pose from the sitting.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2007, 09:40:29 PM
Yes the second one is not hard to find.  ;)
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 10:56:52 PM
Ah, but have you seen the other pose or poses?  :)
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 10:57:44 PM
Queen Sophie (Helen's mother) and empress Alexandra of Russia were first cousins  :)

Thanks so much.  Sometimes this interwoven family gets me so confused!!

Thanks again, :)

Lori

Nicholas and Constantine (Helen's father) were also first cousins so Helen and her siblings and OTMAA were 2nd cousins twice over.
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Post by: ilyala on January 10, 2007, 01:34:55 AM
Thanks so much.  Sometimes this interwoven family gets me so confused!!

it does me too but queen victoria had so many children who in turn had a huge number of children themselves... it's not surprising all the royals were cousins.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
Yes they all are dear !  ;)

Indeed I saw the other poses too.

I have still to see a photo of Sophie & Alicky or Ella togather... ???
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 12, 2007, 12:36:06 PM
Indeed ! But they were not close.  :(


They however had many common points. Indeed, like Alexandra, Queen Sophie was very timid. She appeared little in public and preferred to deal of her husband and her children. These resemblances could have brought closer the two cousins.
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 16, 2007, 12:14:35 PM
More of Helen as a young Princess of Greece :

Pictures come from the Chusseau Flaviens Collection :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/withdad.jpg)
With her father King Constantin Ier

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenayoung.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/greeckcostume.jpg)
Wearing the traditional costume of her native country



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Post by: Laura_ on January 16, 2007, 01:11:08 PM
lovely pics!! :)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 21, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
Teenage Helen posing with her greeck family :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/constantinefamily.jpg)


Helen with her siblings :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/greeckchilds.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 28, 2007, 09:34:23 AM
Princess Helen and her siblings at the Royal table of her father King Constantin Ier and her mother Queen Sophie of Greece :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/lunch.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/royaltable.jpg)


Photos from l'Illustration Magazine.
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 11, 2007, 08:13:03 AM
Young girl, whereas one started to deal with her future, Helen discovered that she was in love with tempting ordering royal guard, the colonel Mano. But, of course, this idylle could not lead to a marriage because her parents had other projects for her : already, they thought of making her marry the Crown Prince Carol of Romania...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2007, 07:34:40 PM
No ! Queen Sophie was against the marriage with Carol from the getgo. Helen wrote "Had I listen to her, I would have been spared years of unhappiness !".  :(
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Post by: TampaBay on February 12, 2007, 07:32:14 PM
No ! Queen Sophie was against the marriage with Carol from the getgo. Helen wrote "Had I listen to her, I would have been spared years of unhappiness !".  :(

I read somwhere (do not ask me where) that Sohpie wanted ALL her daughters to marry Englishmen.

TampaBay
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 12, 2007, 08:20:56 PM
There were rumors--only that--linking Helen (and most eligible princesses) to David. I'm sure that marriage would've pleased Sophie--her daughter as King of England. He probably couldn't have turned out to be a worse, crueller husband than Carol was.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2007, 08:27:51 PM
Indeed ! Helen would have loved to have lived in England. However I don't think she was David's type. He would prefer someone much stronger in charecter and more sophiticated.  ;)
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Post by: ilyala on February 13, 2007, 01:51:13 AM
not to mention married  ::)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2007, 03:09:03 AM
Well...That used to be an escape clause for him until Wally came along... ;D
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 14, 2007, 02:56:44 PM

As to Helen, she definitely wasn't David's type, anymore than she was Carol's. However, the situation in England would've been much different for her than what awaited her in Romania and no matter what the state of the marriage, it was bound to be a happier (and more stable) existence than what she ended up with. David, for all his faults, would not have been as cruel, in my opinion, as Carol was and certainly there wouldn't have been the horrible situation of separating her from her son.  
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 14, 2007, 09:19:55 PM
David was pretty mean to Freda Dudly Ward. He cut her off completely when he started going out with Wally.   :(

I think Helen would have been happy had she married into the British aristocracy like Lady Zia or Nada Milford Haven.
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Post by: ilyala on February 15, 2007, 02:03:08 AM
David was pretty mean to Freda Dudly Ward. He cut her off completely when he started going out with Wally.   :(

well, that's one does when they break up with someone. of course, some courtesy is required but if you keep seeing that person that means you haven't broken up  ;)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2007, 03:49:02 AM
Nope...but he never acceted her calls ever...Also Freda Dudly Ward did not feature in his bio at all...as if she never existed.  >:( At least Willy did admit to writing love poetry to Ella, when he was a student at Bonn.
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 16, 2007, 12:40:48 PM
Indeed ! Helen would have loved to have lived in England. However I don't think she was David's type. He would prefer someone much stronger in charecter and more sophiticated.  ;)


Indeed, I think too that David needed to share the life of a merry woman, cordial and funny who make him forget the sadness of his childhood.
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 18, 2007, 09:55:08 AM
Two photos of Helen with her greeck family during first exile :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/family.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/inexile.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on March 31, 2007, 07:55:15 AM
Recalled first exile by the plebiscite of Sunday December 5, 1920, King Constantin Ier of Greece and his family left Switzerland the 14 and returned to Athens 19, madly acclaimed by the population.

In Lucerne, before the departure : from left to right, upright behind the Queen Sophie and the Princess Katherine : the King Constantin, Prince Paul, Princess Helen and Princess Irene :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/familygreece.jpg)

Princess Helen and her sister Princess Irene with the door of their coach at the beginning of Lucerne :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ireneelenatrain.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2007, 09:22:08 PM
Are they newspaper copies. ? ???  They looked really grainy. Thanks for sharing it with us.  ;)
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 04, 2007, 10:27:50 AM
Perfect Greeck Statue's profile of Princess Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helengreece.jpg)


Princess Helen arriving in Bucharest with her husband Carol :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/engagement.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 09, 2007, 10:54:52 AM
During a meeting family about 1922, Princess Helen is on second row, behind the Queen Marie of Romania, near her two sisters-in-law Elizabeta of Greece and Marie of Yugoslavia :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1922.jpg)

Another beautiful portrait of Helen, as Crown Princess of Romania :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenarumania.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on April 11, 2007, 04:53:42 AM
very nice pics thanks for posting!!  Helen was such a great lady  :)

BTW, Queen Marie's Hat is very nice   ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on April 11, 2007, 11:00:46 AM
By know most of us know about Helen's marriage with Carol.

But anyone know if she had any other marriage prospects?

For instance:  The Duke of Windsor was only two years older than her and I wonder if anyone in the family thought about setting them up in the old-fashioned style ( I know that the Duke of W had a penchant for married women,e tc, etc, etc.), or maybe this wasn't even thought of b/c of the relationship btwn the government of Greece & the UK after King Tino's overthrown?

Regards
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on April 11, 2007, 07:52:23 PM
Princess Helen was mentioned frequently in British and American papers (maybe others but those are the only ones I can read  ;) ) as a bride for David. From the time he became marriageable, just about every princess (even Catholic ones) was mentioned at some time, though. He was a bachelor for so long, eventually Helen's younger sisters and cousins became candidates as the previous ones married off or fell out of contention.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2007, 07:53:11 PM
Well...I don't think so. The family was pariah during WWI. It was after the War that Helen's prospect improved. However Missy by then had her eye on Helen already. I think Irene had more of a choice. She had been engaged to a Prince of Shaumburg-Lippe, then briefly Prince Nicholas of Romania, and much later married Airome, Duke of Spoleto.  ::)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on April 11, 2007, 09:58:15 PM
Maybe up in heaven since she was long-deceased by the time Katherine married.

You might not think that Helen's name was mentioned as a bride but it was published in many newspapers and magazines. I don't think she was seriously considered by the royal family themselves but she was definitely one of those named in the papers. By the time the 1930s rolled around, one magazine had her much-younger sister Katherine on the list--also Princess Eugenie of Greece.

As a side note, Irene's first engagement (to the Schaumburg-Lippe prince) was another potential 'descendants of CIX match' since the Prince's late mother was Princess Louise of Denmark--eldest daughter of Frederick VIII and 'Aunt Swan'. The engagment was broken in 1929.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2007, 11:50:08 PM
I agree that she may be paired off in the papers, but nothing really come out of those (Like Princess Caroline of Monaco for Prince Charles and Princess Madelaine of Sweden for Prince William) Only Missy's interest into Helen was genuine. So I can understand why Helen wanted to fly off the nest fast.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 15, 2007, 08:11:03 AM
She was always the peace-maker in the family...although she could be stubborn at times.  ;)

I think that Helen acted above all according to her conscience. Thus, during the World War II, she went against to be able it established while protecting from the minorities persecuted like the Jews. Then, later, she supported her son in his will to reverse the dictatorial power of the General Antonescu and thus made it possible Romania to fight, although tardily, at the side of the Allied.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 17, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
Early formal portrait of Crown Princess Helen of Romania wearing pearls and her favourite greeck key tiara :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ELEN.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 22, 2007, 10:08:16 AM
Early formal portrait of Crown Princess Helen of Romania wearing pearls and her favourite greeck key tiara :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ELEN.jpg)


This diadem that Helen very often carried had been offered to her by her mother-in-law Marie of Romania at the time of her marriage with prince Carol in 1921.

Previously, it had belonged to the Grand Duchess Victoria Melita of Russia which, after the First World War, needing liquidities, had sold it to her sister.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 29, 2007, 05:04:55 AM
Yes...Ducky always loved that piece. Missy paid full price for it.  ;)


The same Tiara but carried by the Grand Duchess Victoria Melita of Russia before the war :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Others%20Romanov/key1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Others%20Romanov/key2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 11:28:54 PM


(http://pro.corbis.com/images/U201853ACME.jpg?size=67&uid={17a0c49b-0f0c-4b62-8901-2a26c1bd7aed})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/AU001285.jpg?size=67&uid={11ef6752-9b4e-47d1-8a32-b09e54268a72})
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2007, 08:38:43 PM
Miss Woff ??? You mean Magda ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 17, 2007, 01:57:42 AM
yes Elena 'Magda' Lupescu  >:(

poor Queen Helen, she was such a great person and a great mother  :'(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ashdean on May 21, 2007, 11:40:29 AM
In a interview in todays Daily Telegraph..Princess Margarita speaks with immense affection about her grandmother...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2007, 08:09:40 PM
Yes...when I met her before. She talked about her too with affection.  ;) I wonder about what her "other sisters" thought about her ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 22, 2007, 05:50:24 AM
yeah each time i see her on TV she says her greatest model is her grandmother  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: gleb on May 27, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/carolelena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 27, 2007, 02:53:53 PM
thank you gleb  :)

pics like that are quite rare!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 27, 2007, 04:14:28 PM
The ILN chose that as a front cover for an issue--'Picturesque Royalty'.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
What is ILN ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 27, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
Illustrated London News--sorry, I reference it so much I get used to the shorthand.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 29, 2007, 05:00:23 AM
i very much like these pics of Elena and Carol together ,before or after their wedding coz they are very difficult to get.
for example i've only seen one photo of them with their son Michael ,which is weird so to say  :-\  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 29, 2007, 02:03:28 PM
You saw the one on page 6, didn't you Laurra? I was especially surprised at that one, given that it was taken after Carol returned to Romania. There are more of them together when Michael was an infant, they were covered pretty well in the press. In fact, the photo series of the last image posted also involved Michael. Helen was definitely photographed with him more than Carol, though.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2007, 08:39:15 PM
Was Helen close to her Aunt Moretta ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Iskenderbey on July 13, 2007, 03:44:01 PM
Was Helen close to her Aunt Moretta ?  ???

Not sure about her Aunt Moretta.  From everything I have read, Sophie's children were closest to Mossy and her family.

Regards
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2007, 08:54:27 PM
Yes that is well known. Maybe Moretta was too embittered since she had no childen.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on July 13, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
I haven't ever read that Moretta was particularly embittered by a lack of children--just disappointed and pained. It may just have been more natural for Sophie & Mossy to bond over their children--some of whom were pretty close in age. Moretta may have come to be more excluded from this--much the same way that singles often feel pushed out by friends who marry and begin to 'hang out' more with other couples. Plus, Sophie & Mossy seem to have been closer even when they were smaller, being the 2 youngest children. Morettta's bond seems to have been with Waldemar, her contemporary, and then she was lumped in with the 2 youngest as Vicky's trio. That doesn't necessarily indicate a strong bond and Moretta doesn't seem to have visited Sophie much, at least during Vicky's lifetime where there are her letters to go by.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2007, 10:57:28 PM
Yes...Although Mossy stood by Moretta. She approved the marriage amid a chorus of disaproval (even Sophie was upset by it). She also was there to send Moretta off on her last trip at her furneral. Mossy more than did her sister thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 21, 2007, 08:31:17 AM
Princess Helen in folkdress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenaholdingmihai.jpg)
With her baby son Mihai

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenairina.jpg)
With her young sister Irina

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ethnic.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/saintbernarddog.jpg)
With her Saint Bernard dog
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 11, 2007, 10:57:50 AM
Queen Helen and her only darling son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mumbaby.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/withbaby.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenmichel.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenamihai6.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenason2.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Princess Susan on November 14, 2007, 09:09:54 AM
I am not sure wether you know this webside : http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/
There are plenty of great pictures of Qeen Marie of Romania, her children and family.

I think Helen's son Mihai resembles a lot on his father Carol II.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2007, 12:27:48 PM
Yes, but also on his mother Helen and on his uncle king Georges II of Greece.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 17, 2007, 12:06:44 PM
Queen Helen more elegant than ever in this picture of the early 30 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/early30s.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on November 19, 2007, 03:54:01 PM
I have some photos of when her engagement was announced but can't post them right now. I can describe them though--she was swathed in mourning (for her brother Alexander) and wore a slight (but not forced) smile. Carol looked rather smug. Some have Tino & Sophie in them (as well as Irene, Paul and George) and no one really looked thrilled. In many of the photos Carol & Helen weren't even side by side or, if they were, there was a good deal of space. Perhaps it all means nothing or perhaps the body language said it all. Certainly being covered in mourning from head to foot was an appropriate omen.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 25, 2007, 09:23:47 AM
I totally agree ! His resembles George II in features.  :)

It's true ! As proof, here's a photo of Mihai baby and another of the future Georges II (here with his father Constantine) : the ressemblance between the nephew and his uncle is striking :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/mumbaby.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/constatantingeorges.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 27, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Beautiful portraits of Queen Helen at different ages :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/beauty.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/bg.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Sitta1934.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elena1940.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on December 06, 2007, 09:55:53 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elena1940.jpg)
[/quote]

On this portrait dating probably from 1940, when she returned to Romania, Helen wears a brooch in the shape of a fleur-de-lis that he sees as often on other photos or portraits of this era, and it should be interesting to know which she inherited.

Or was it simply a gift or personal acquisition ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 28, 2007, 11:04:05 AM
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4413/img018ca4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

from the latest picturealbum on Queen Helen of Romania by Prince Radu of Hohenzollern-Veringen.

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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on December 28, 2007, 11:51:02 AM
It's a beautiful portrait of Helen where she is still as very often in profile.

But what is the date ?

And this picture album of Prince Radu is it available online ?

Thanks in advance for your answer.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 29, 2007, 06:27:18 AM
KarlandZita, the  photograph  was taken in the 30s in Athens.

I don't know if the album is available online ,i got my copy from a bookshop in Bucharest.
It should be available though.

this is the cover:

Elena - Portretul unei Regine /  Portrait of a Queen


(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8385/elenacopertagx1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

ISBN: 978 973 103 475 1



Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 06, 2008, 05:47:38 AM
Queen Helen with her darling son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/momandson.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on February 02, 2008, 08:32:48 AM
Return of Queen Helen, in 1941, after the second coming of of her son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/return.jpg)

In May 1941, the young King Mihai backtracked on the throne kiss icon submitted by the chaplain for the armed forces. In the background, Queen Helen recently returned from exile :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/blend.jpg)

May 10, 1941 at the royal balcony :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1941.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1940.jpg)

Queen Helen and son Mihai accompanied by Marechal Antonescu :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/antelenamihai.jpg)

Queen Helen and Mihai in New-York in 1948 after exile :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1948.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 08, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
Queens Marie and Helen with little King Mihai, in carriage, 1929 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_mrme.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mrme.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_mmecge.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mmecge.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_mme.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mme.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 10, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
Helen and her son Michel greeting from a boat, the Romanian people gathered along the riverbanks to see them go :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_cap138.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cap138.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_cap135.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cap135.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_cap134.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cap134.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
From a film or TV ?  :o
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 11, 2008, 02:36:46 PM
From a film or TV ?  :o

These sequences are in fact from a television documentary on the royal family of Romania.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on July 14, 2008, 11:15:33 AM
Various pictures of the beautiful Queen Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/carriage1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/78k.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/rer.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/40er.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on July 15, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7978/2402773059a9c442f5ecoxq5.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on July 16, 2008, 01:18:53 PM
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7978/2402773059a9c442f5ecoxq5.jpg)

OOH, what magnificent portrait of Helen! Thank you, Laurra!

It appears to have been taken in her extreme youth, before her marriage to Carol, is not it?

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: ilios on July 16, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Was there any secret relationship between prince Nicholas -bro. of Carol- and Helen? especially when Carol left the country with his mistress?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: mardam on July 20, 2008, 04:37:45 AM
Last week I was in the cemetery Bois-de-Vaux in Lausanne.
The pictures are on my website: http://www.royaltyguide.nl/countries/switserland/Lausanne/boisdevaux.htm (http://www.royaltyguide.nl/countries/switserland/Lausanne/boisdevaux.htm)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on July 27, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
I came across one newspaper report--obviously false--that stated an engagement between the divorced Helen and GD Dmitri was imminent. They would've made an attractive couple but I think it would've been strike 2 for poor Helen had a marriage actually been in the works.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 17, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/carolelena.jpg)

You can see their rough relationship here.  :( >:( Carol was such a jerk!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: tom_romanov on August 18, 2008, 03:38:28 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/carolelena.jpg)

You can see their rough relationship here.  :( >:( Carol was such a jerk!

she should have let the dog at him   ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 18, 2008, 01:44:02 PM
Romantic portrait of Princess Helen in the early 1920s :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_rose.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/rose.jpg)

Helen and her beloved son Michel :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_momandson.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/momandson.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 18, 2008, 03:20:59 PM
aww pretty hat !! :-)
She always looked so elegant. :)
 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Yseult on September 18, 2008, 03:29:44 PM
I like so much the "romantic portrait". For sure, the hat is wonderful ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 20, 2008, 09:34:09 AM
Photos of Princess Helen from the Ullstein Bild collection :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_wmi.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/wmi.jpg)
Helen with her little son Michel

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_r.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/r.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_ebfl.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ebfl.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_wd.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/wd.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elenamicha1.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenamicha1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_em1928.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/em1928.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_meem.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/meem.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_ei.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ei.jpg)
Helen with her sister Irene
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
It seems Sitta and Irene always dressed alike in public. No wonder Missy called Irene, "Sitta's shadow". Who was the child Sitta was holding with Michael ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 21, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
It seems Sitta and Irene always dressed alike in public. No wonder Missy called Irene, "Sitta's shadow". Who was the child Sitta was holding with Michael ?


The child seems to be a girl. This may be the daughter of his deceased brother Alexander, Princess Alexandra of Greece same born the year that Michel.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 01, 2008, 08:57:14 AM
Princess Helen in folk dress :



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elenababy-1.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=elenababy-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_saintbernarddog-1.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=saintbernarddog-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_fol.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=fol.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_ihpm.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=ihpm.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_carolhelendog.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=carolhelendog.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elenafolk.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=elenafolk.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_onbalcony.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=onbalcony.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_ethnicanddog-1.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=ethnicanddog-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elenairina-1.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=elenairina-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_ethnic-1.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=ethnic-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
Helen with Michel :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/hgmr.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/meb.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/em30.jpg)

Queen Helen in the 1950s :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ernia.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on December 28, 2008, 09:27:25 AM
Three Photos of one of my favorite Royal women of all the times...

Crown Princess Helen reading :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elenareading.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=elenareading.jpg)

Princess Helen with her dogs :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_dogs.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=dogs.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_elendog.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=elendog.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2008, 11:14:50 AM
Queen Mother Helen does love animals. I wonder how many pets did she had ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 13, 2009, 09:09:33 PM
(http://www.museocanonica.it/var/museicivici/storage/images/musei/museo_pietro_canonica/percorsi/sale_espositive/sala_v/elena_regina_di_romania/42152-1-ita-IT/elena_regina_di_romania_sqlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Queen Mother Helen does love animals. I wonder how many pets did she had ?

I do not know how many animals she had in fact but what is certain is that she loved dogs. She is often seen with them at various times of her life.

At the beginning of her marriage to Carol, she is photographed with a big Saint Bernard, but maybe it belonged to her husband instead. Later, she often appears with a German shepherd  and with small dogs type of Fox Terrier and Epagneul.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2009, 09:14:44 AM
Thanks ! I think quite of them might be buried in Villa Sparta in Florence.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 18, 2009, 10:41:05 AM
Helen and Michel in 1946 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/st.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/1946.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mhs.jpg)

(Pictures from the LIFE Magazine)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 18, 2009, 12:27:59 PM
With her mother and sisters

(http://i41.tinypic.com/14ni693.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
Where was those taken ? In Villa Sparta ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 20, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
Where was those taken ? In Villa Sparta ?

In 1946, Michel and his mother were not  in exile, so I think these pictures were taken in Romania, either at the royal palace of Bucharest, or  at the Peles' Castle in Sinaia
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: DavidH on January 22, 2009, 07:46:29 AM
The photographs of King Michael and Queen Mother Helen were taken at Sinaia
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 24, 2009, 09:32:12 AM
The photographs of King Michael and Queen Mother Helen were taken at Sinaia

Yes, thank you for your confirmation.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 25, 2009, 08:40:44 AM


Poor Helen ! How could it be accused of failing to keep Carol while the union was in any case doomed to failure from the outset !

Their marriage was, let us not forget, above all, a marriage of convenience and we can say that Helen was sacrificed in this story without being asked her opinion.

It was primarily for King Ferdiannd and Queen Marie of Romania to get their son into the fold. But Carol was an unstable apparently quickly tired of his conquests. Thus, he did nothing to keep Zizi Lambrino he had married without his parents are aware and that he even had a child. This was his first abandoned home. Why then would it not again later? What he did actually abandoning helen and Michel.

If he was may be charmed by Helen very early in their marriage, he tired quickly, preferring to attend women less conventional than Magda Lupescu who manages to retain him the dominant mainly through the senses. Helen was too convenient for him. Because, rebellious and unruly, he needed to find a woman in the pretext of defying taboos and upset the established order.

Maybe if Carol had not met Magda Lupescu, he remained married to Helen, while leading a double life, but save face before the world as it was then for many royal couples at the time. But they would not have been happy together.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 15, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
Crown Princess Helen in cavalery uniform :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cavalery1-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cavalelena.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cavalery-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2009, 11:25:52 AM


FYI - Lupescu's first name was Elena, not Magda.

At first she blame Helen for not keeping Carol, but later the two women bonded.

Poor Helen ! How could it be accused of failing to keep Carol while the union was in any case doomed to failure from the outset !

Their marriage was, let us not forget, above all, a marriage of convenience and we can say that Helen was sacrificed in this story without being asked her opinion.

It was primarily for King Ferdiannd and Queen Marie of Romania to get their son into the fold. But Carol was an unstable apparently quickly tired of his conquests. Thus, he did nothing to keep Zizi Lambrino he had married without his parents are aware and that he even had a child. This was his first abandoned home. Why then would it not again later? What he did actually abandoning helen and Michel.

If he was may be charmed by Helen very early in their marriage, he tired quickly, preferring to attend women less conventional than Magda Lupescu who manages to retain him the dominant mainly through the senses. Helen was too convenient for him. Because, rebellious and unruly, he needed to find a woman in the pretext of defying taboos and upset the established order.

Maybe if Carol had not met Magda Lupescu, he remained married to Helen, while leading a double life, but save face before the world as it was then for many royal couples at the time. But they would not have been happy together.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2009, 05:59:38 PM
I know but I look at some periodicals it did put Magda as her name. Maybe it would be too confusing to have two Princesses Elena of Romania.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on March 17, 2009, 09:23:35 AM


FYI - Lupescu's first name was Elena, not Magda.


Whatever happened to old Lupescu?  Was she reburied in Romania with Carol II.

I never understood what Carol II saw in her and how she managed to control him.

It is my understanding that Missy never received her.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2009, 09:55:21 AM


Well, she inherited his fortune - and in 2003, Lupescu and Carol's remains were brought back to Romania for reburial at the Curtea de Arges - but he's in royal chapel and she's in the cemetery.



FYI - Lupescu's first name was Elena, not Magda.


Whatever happened to old Lupescu?  Was she reburied in Romania with Carol II.

I never understood what Carol II saw in her and how she managed to control him.

It is my understanding that Missy never received her.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: TampaBay on March 17, 2009, 10:40:18 AM


Well, she inherited his fortune -


Did Carol II have as much money as everyone thought he had?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
He took a lot with him on that train out of Romania ... Michael was never able to get his hands on any of it



Well, she inherited his fortune -


Did Carol II have as much money as everyone thought he had?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 19, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
At first she blame Helen for not keeping Carol, but later the two women bonded.

Guy Gauthier in his  " Missy Queen of Romania", on the contrary claims that Marie has always been a perfect propriety towards her daughter-in-law and that " contrary to what has often been alleged by his enemies, has consistently and faithfully supported her in daughter-in-law with whom, however, she had so far as quite distant relations. Everything that was said about the insurmountable antipathy to Marie for Helen is the gossip and the affabulation ".

He explained that even deep admiration for the extraordinary dignity helen demonstrated in the terrible position where her husband had placed the trial of the queen against her is particularly laudatory wordings : "Helen is full of dignity. She is above all by a wonderful woman inside. She keeps everything - including her son - in perfect order. "
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on March 22, 2009, 10:23:59 AM

FYI - Lupescu's first name was Elena, not Magda.



Her real name is actually Helene, but in nightclubs in Bucharest she was joy, she was called " Magda ", small name the Italian press will adopt and will triumph in the world.

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 25, 2009, 02:18:20 PM
Her real name was Elena, not Helene


FYI - Lupescu's first name was Elena, not Magda.



Her real name is actually Helene, but in nightclubs in Bucharest she was joy, she was called " Magda ", small name the Italian press will adopt and will triumph in the world.


Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 03, 2009, 08:03:57 AM
Queen Elena with her son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helnamic.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenamich.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 01, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
Princess Helen with Prince Carol and Queen Marie of Romania at a public event in 1922 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/frecm.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 22, 2009, 09:43:11 AM
Queen Mother Helen of Romania (from the National Portrait Gallery) :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mw71265.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mw121221.jpg)

Queen Helen with her sister Irene :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mw71270.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mw71271.jpg)

This photos shoot took place in 1934, during a residence of the two sisters in London at the wedding of their cousin Marina with the Duke of Kent.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: miki_nastya on September 03, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
  I read in a book that Helen was very much loved by her paternal grandparents. Wich she called Omama and Opapa ( that remind me of Apapa and Amama)
And it's also said that she was theri first grandchild. Wasn't their first grandchild Maria Pavlova born in 1890 rather tahn Helen born in 1896
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 15, 2009, 02:21:36 PM
Princess Helen and her son Michel in carriage :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/miel.jpg)

In Alba Julia in 1929 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/albajulia.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 15, 2009, 02:37:41 PM
i love love the second one cause there is Nicolae *0*. Thanks so much for sharing!!

BTW...have you more pic of him?  ;-) Thanks in advanced!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 21, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
Queen Mother Helen with her brother Paul :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/hp.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 21, 2009, 05:46:53 PM
Helena and Mihai

(http://i37.tinypic.com/nodd2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
I think that was taken in London.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 24, 2009, 02:38:46 PM
i love love the second one cause there is Nicolae *0*. Thanks so much for sharing!!

BTW...have you more pic of him?  ;-) Thanks in advanced!



I just post a new picture of Prince Nicolas on the thread devoted to him, hope it pleases you.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 24, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
I saw it but unfortunately, its Carol, not Nicolae . Still..i havent seen that picture that big. Thanks!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 24, 2009, 04:11:12 PM
Helen with Carol and Nicholas, in 1930 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dsfr.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 26, 2009, 01:56:42 PM
Helen with little Mihai :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dsft.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dfghjkl.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 26, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Again Helen with Michael :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dfrt.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/fgvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2009, 02:11:11 PM
  I read in a book that Helen was very much loved by her paternal grandparents. Wich she called Omama and Opapa ( that remind me of Apapa and Amama)
And it's also said that she was theri first grandchild. Wasn't their first grandchild Maria Pavlova born in 1890 rather tahn Helen born in 1896

Interesting. I wonder what the other granddaughters favorite of George and Olga of Greece.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 03, 2009, 05:10:24 AM
Charming portraits of Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ijuk.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/eugnl.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mrted.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 06, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Helen looked much more elegant with the clothes from the 30th than before.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 06, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
Helen looked much more elegant with the clothes from the 30th than before.

She really found her style in the middle of the Twenties where she will be already very elegant. But it is true that the fashion of the 30s put her thin silhouette particular value.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 10, 2009, 08:22:04 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mihaielenn.jpg)
Helen and her little son
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 15, 2009, 01:03:40 PM
Two portraits of Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/fdgh.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/fdgthbv.jpg)

Helen has a wonderful profile, one of the purest I've ever seen, she was often photographed in this pose.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Olga Maria on October 16, 2009, 03:26:29 AM
This is what Ileana had said about her sister-in-law when she visited them in Sinaia:

Sitta (Helen), his mother, is a slim, tall woman, with the greatest charm and sweetness about her. Her appearance is always exquisitely neat and dainty; I have only once seen her ruffled. It is from her that Michael inherits his dimples and his sudden, entrancing smile. She is a little shortsighted, which gives her a slight air of hesitation, and which has added to her natural shyness. When she came to meet me, she in her turn was surrounded by a crowd of Pekinese dogs, barking and gamboling around her feet. As always, it was with a sigh of contentment that I glided into the atmosphere of her well-run house; the perfect service at a beautifully laid table; the simple but excellently cooked food. The conversation was easy and often amusing, since both mother and son have a strong sense of humor and an incomparable talent for describing an amusing situation.

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 22, 2009, 03:17:34 PM
On board the royal Yacht with Royal Family of Romania :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/fghbcx.jpg)

Helen with Ileana, Mignon and Irene of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dsftgh.jpg)

With Mignon and Irene :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/ngfht.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 22, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
(http://i37.tinypic.com/30ug7j9.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 27, 2009, 01:38:22 PM
Queen Mother Helen with her son Michael :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/70001968.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
I wonder which archiev this came from as I cannot read the watermark.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 29, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
I wonder which archiev this came from as I cannot read the watermark.

Picture from this site : http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/index.php?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 21, 2009, 07:10:41 AM
Shots of Princess Helen, 20/10/1932 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/irpaulhe.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/paulirhe.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/irhepaul.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/hel32.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/heliir.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/heliri2.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/helenir.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/2sisters.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/Screenshots%20of%20Helen/heliiripavl.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
Nice photos ! Is that film still survive ? Helen is here with "her shadow" sister Irene and brother Paul.
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 22, 2009, 06:12:39 AM
It must be insrit a login in order to view this film at the site of the Fox Movietone which has two or three other films on Helen.

But I do not know on what occasion was shot this film which I have extracted some pictures. Maybe he has been directed at a travel helen attempt to perceive her son Michael whom she was separated.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
Looks like the family is in London for some reason.
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Post by: KarlandZita on November 27, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
Princess Helen on balcony :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenaonbalcony.jpg)

The same day with her sister Irene or perhaps Princess Ileana, I'm not sure :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/2sisters-1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Looks like Irene to me
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Post by: miki_nastya on November 28, 2009, 03:30:36 AM
 Well...I'm more than sure that's Irene
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 19, 2009, 11:42:23 AM
Carol and Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/carolhelena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on December 21, 2009, 03:08:47 PM
Princess Helen wearing her famous Greck key tiara :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/bea.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helna.jpg)

Helen seems to have been one of the princesses of Europe's poorest jewelry. In fact, I only know one tiara, the one that gave her her stepmother Queen Marie on the occasion of her marriage to Carol of Romania.

It may seem strange that neither her paternal grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece or her own mother Sophie of Prussia have offered her any other ornaments on the occasion of her wedding.

Helen, however, destined to rule one day in Romania, had much less of jewelry that some of her cousins - like Olga of Yugoslavia - which would not inherit any throne.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
Helen later did borrow her mother's big tiara (last worn by Queen Frederica) and took some photos in it. Well her sister-in-law Elisabetta was worse off than her, Missy complained about Sophie's lack of jewelry to her daughter. "At least I gave her daughter (Helen) a tiara".
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
Helen later did borrow her mother's big tiara (last worn by Queen Frederica) and took some photos in it. Well her sister-in-law Elisabetta was worse off than her, Missy complained about Sophie's lack of jewelry to her daughter. "At least I gave her daughter (Helen) a tiara".

The family of Elisabeta would have been welcome as coldly Princess Helen after her marriage to Carol. How was she received and perceived by her in-laws in Romania, including King Ferdinand, Queen Mary and her sisters-in-law Marie and Ileana ? Was she quickly adopted by her step-family ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2009, 11:55:39 AM
The story of how Elisabetta married into the Greek Royal Family was detailed in a series of articles on her by researcher John Wimbles in the old Royalty Digest. Poor Elisabetta was given no jewelry by Sophie after her wedding ("she would not even let me see them.") and cold shoulder by her in-laws. In family parties, they would talk Greek when they do not want her to join in the conversation. It was only George's love that kept the marriage going. Helen was luckier that Missy treated her nicely, and they both enjoyed a keen sense of humour. The constant appearance of sister Irene (who was suggested as a bride for Prince Nicholas) made her life more bearable.
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 01, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
Helen in Saint Moritz, 1917 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/elenastmoritz1917.jpg)

Helen and Carol in the early years of marriage :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/keyj4n.jpg)

Helen with her sister Irene and another lady :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenireneandother.jpg)

Beautiful portrait of Helen holding a dog, 1947 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenrumanialaurent.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2010, 01:47:05 PM
Could the third lady be one of the Italian princesses?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
Maybe Maria ? The Greek Princesses were close to the Italian Royal family. Both Nicholas girls (Olga & Elisabeth) attended Malfelda's wedding and of course Irene marrying the Duke of Sporleto.
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Post by: seriya on January 01, 2010, 09:46:02 PM
It's Jolanda. Three princesses arrived in Rome, 1941
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 03, 2010, 09:13:05 PM
I got  that same picture and the lady in the middle is Jolanda of Italy, countess calvi di bergolo
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 06, 2010, 11:49:21 AM
Helen and Carol :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/hcstb.jpg)

Princess Helen with her brother George of Greece, Carol and Marie of Romania and her two sisters-in-law Mignon and Elisabeth :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/2d8kl5i.jpg)

Helen, Mihai, Filip and Ileana ? :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/emif.jpg)

Helen and Mihai adult :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/eom.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 12:04:25 PM
Great photos ! I like the one with Missy & her children plus spouses. I wonder where it was taken ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 12, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
Crown Princess Helen with her sisters-in-law Marie and Ileana  of Romania :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/hgytfds.jpg)

From left to right, Princess Ileana of Romania, Irene of Greece, Marie of Romania and Crown Princess Helen :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/tgfrd.jpg)

I think these photos were taken in 1922 during celebrations of the coronation of rulers of Romania. But I'm not quite sure.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2010, 03:38:17 PM
I think so. The quality is really fuzzy in these pics.
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 12, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
These are old pictures that I kept but the scanner has unfortunately not reproduced as clearly as I wanted.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2010, 04:53:29 PM
That happens. But thanks for posting them.

I heard that Helen sold some of her jewels later in life to pay for her own upkeep in Villa Sparta in Florence. Is that true ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 15, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
Helen with her father, King Constantine and her future husband Carol of Romania :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/heleneconstcarol.jpg)

The princess is still mourning her brother Alexander died tragically in 1920.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
A short mouning dress. very different from those worn by Missy & Mignon.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 15, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
A short mouning dress. very different from those worn by Missy & Mignon.

Yes, but the long black veil was almost the same.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 15, 2010, 05:30:40 PM
The photo was taken on the day of the annoucement of their engagement. Mourning attire would later prove quite aprapos. There's also a larger photo which includes Queen Sophie and one of Helen's brothers--I can't remember if it's Paul or George, though. I'm thinking Paul. Both photos were published in the Graphic when the engagement was announced.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
Yes. Although Queen Sophie herself wore a mourning habit after Tino's death was also short in length. I thought that Queen Maud was the first to wore a short length mourning dress at her mother's furneral in 1928.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 16, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
And not long after, Alexandra of Hohenlohe-Langenburg wore a short dress for her brother-in-law King Ferdinand of Romania. Perhaps Infanta Beatrice did as well--she's hidden in the group mourning shot of the sisters.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 04:40:50 PM
Didn't see that photo of Sandra. Baby Bee had wore short mourning dress for Queen Mother Maria Cristina, when she welcomed Christian X and Queen Alexandrine to Spain.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 24, 2010, 05:21:32 AM
Ultimately, we do not know much of Helen's feelings toward Carol. Does she loved him at a time of their marriage or she simply wanted the marriage arranged by their two families ? Similarly, it appears that Carol would have argued desperately in love with Helen at the beginning of their marriage. By then he was really in love or was it that only a comedy to win the favor and trust from his parents ? Where is truth in all this ? Thank you enlighten me on this subject.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2010, 03:12:23 PM
The key to this is the diary of Queen Mother Helen, whose information was used in two books (her bio by Arthur Gould Lee & the latest bio on King Michael of Romania). Someone who read it revealed her most intimite thoughts and feelings about her heart. However because of this, they were closely guarded and only specific quotes were allowed from them.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 25, 2010, 10:56:28 AM
Ultimately, we do not know much of Helen's feelings toward Carol. Does she loved him at a time of their marriage or she simply wanted the marriage arranged by their two families ? Similarly, it appears that Carol would have argued desperately in love with Helen at the beginning of their marriage. By then he was really in love or was it that only a comedy to win the favor and trust from his parents ? Where is truth in all this ? Thank you enlighten me on this subject.

2 quotes from other threads (one of Helen's sister in law Elizabeth and the other on King Michael)

Marlene: Sophie was not pleased with the two marriages with two of Missy's kids .... she tried to warn Helen, to no avail - and helen got pregnant before the wedding.

Marlene: Michael was described as being premature - but this was not the case.  It would have been rather difficult to explain at that time that Michael was not premature -- Helen and Carol got passionate before the wedding ...  there are many royal babies that arrived nine months later - and described as premature but were full weight full term babies ... The family does not deny that Helen was pregnant.  But it was not something that was acknowledged for some years, but so many people knew it.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 25, 2010, 12:00:28 PM
Thank you for these details. Whatever her feelings, it does in any case no doubt that Helen was very unhappy with the abandonment of Carol in 1925. And this was not just a matter of pride.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 26, 2010, 02:21:53 PM
Queen Helen during the war :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/01116873.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/HH.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/H.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/01116874.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/prwz.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2010, 07:59:44 AM
Great photos ! Thanks for posting them.  :) The last one of Helen smiling reminded me a bit of Princess Eugenie of Greece (Helen's cousin).

Helen was so stylish here. Smart suits with a string of pearls, coupled with a pair of sensible shoes. A classic look that still a winner among royals today.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on January 27, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Helen had a rather conventional style like her cousins Elizabeth and Olga of Greece while Marina wore a less classical style.

In the picture where she smiles, Helen also makes me a bit like her sister Irene.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on February 02, 2010, 11:35:23 AM
Princess Helen with her dogs :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/fghjnb.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/pedr.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/eads.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2010, 12:50:39 PM
How many dogs did Helen had ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 04, 2010, 10:52:37 AM
How many dogs did Helen had ?

Eric, I think I already answered this question some time ago in this same thread...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2010, 11:57:23 AM
Well...I did not see that. Forgive me if I joined later in the dicussion...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on February 05, 2010, 05:46:07 AM
Crown Princess Helen, her son Mihai, and her sister-in-law Marie of Yugoslavia with her baby son Peter, 1923-1924 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/mariehelen.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
Sad. Only Michael is still alive from this photo. Interestingly  he is older than his cousin Peter.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 06, 2010, 09:48:18 PM
both beautiful women with two cute little boys.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
I often wonder how close was Helen to Mignon ? She was not to close to either Elisabetta or Ileana.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on February 08, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
I often wonder how close was Helen to Mignon ? She was not to close to either Elisabetta or Ileana.

I think that Mignon was closest members of the Greek royal family other than her sisters. I know in particular that Mignon and Alexander maintained excellent relations with Princess Marina of Greece, cousin of Helen. We can therefore safely be assumed that Helen and Mignon also agreed very well.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
Yes. Although Marina's sister Olga was not close to Mignon though.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Olga Maria on March 11, 2010, 03:52:52 AM
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_HelenedeRomanieMichael.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/HelenedeRomanieMichael.jpg)

Helena and Mihai

Her portrait in color
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_l9.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/l9.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on March 21, 2010, 12:24:59 PM
Crown Princess Helen with King Ferdinand of Romania, Princess Ileana and Carol  :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/nandoileanahelencarol1925.jpg)

Helen with Carol and her sister Irene :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/irenehelencarolinlondon1925.jpg)

Helen with Carol and Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/chm.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 10, 2010, 04:51:00 AM
Helen as Princess of Greece with her sister Irene :

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/341/helenirene.th.jpg) (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/helenirene.jpg/)

Princess Helen with her mother Sophie of Greece and sister Irene :

(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/178/irenelensop1918.th.jpg) (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/irenelensop1918.jpg/)

Click images for enlarge.
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Post by: THERRY on April 10, 2010, 08:21:02 AM
Wonderful photos ! I've never seen Helen and Irene so young !!
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 10, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
Thank you. I know few pictures of Helen and Irene in their youth, except those already well known to everyone. I have two others taken during the exile in Switzerland that I'll post later on this forum.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2010, 10:42:32 AM
Thanks. Helen & Queen Sophie are two of my favourite royals.  :) Thanks again for sharing it with us.
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 10, 2010, 10:54:32 AM
Thanks. Helen & Queen Sophie are two of my favourite royals.  :) Thanks again for sharing it with us.

I'm another fan of Helen of Greece / Romania.

Best regards.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 22, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
Elena and Bernard of Netherlands

(http://i39.tinypic.com/skxdn5.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 22, 2010, 08:59:33 AM
She wears the fluer-de-Luyes brooch that she shares with her sister Irene. I don't know who owns it...Queen Marie Jose of Italy and husband folllows with her rubies...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2010, 10:12:05 AM
I do wonder how much time Helen spent in England. Her tastes were said to be very English. Was it all because of the influence of her mother Queen Sophie ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 24, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
Princess Helen with her mother Sophie and Sisters Irene and Katherine in 1917 :

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4186/inzurich1917.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/inzurich1917.jpg/)

Helen with her mother and her sister Irene for Swiss exil in 1918 :

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/32/sophiehelenirenschweiz1.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/sophiehelenirenschweiz1.jpg/)

Helen with her parents and siblings in 1919-1920 :

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2601/hcscsw.jpg) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/hcscsw.jpg/)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 24, 2010, 11:46:16 AM
"Happy days"

(http://i41.tinypic.com/11t0ly8.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 25, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Anybody know the name of the dog ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on April 26, 2010, 06:01:44 AM
"Happy days"



A picture now well known. However, happiness does not last long because I understand that just a year after their marriage, Carol was already beginning to deceive Helen.

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2lbjofa.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 02, 2010, 09:24:28 AM
Helen with her son Mihai :

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3356/dsfga.jpg) (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/dsfga.jpg/)

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8734/mihx.jpg) (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/mihx.jpg/)

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1413/helenamichel.jpg) (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/helenamichel.jpg/)

As explained by King Michael, his relationship with Helen went far beyond a mother and son relationship. Strong links and very close between them. Helen was not only his  mother but also his friend and accomplice in the most intimate and she was probably Michael the greatest love of his life.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2010, 11:47:57 AM
Yes. Helen and Michael were the greatest of friends besides being mother & son.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 04, 2010, 03:05:08 PM
Portrait of Helen :

(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/516/helene.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/i/helene.jpg/)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 04, 2010, 03:08:18 PM
One of her classic looks with pearls. I wonder if Helen was given some on her wedding. Never saw the list of her wedding gifts (unlike Missy).
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 16, 2010, 02:41:17 PM
Mother and son :

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2695/regelemihaisireginaelen.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/regelemihaisireginaelen.jpg/)

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4553/reginaregele.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/reginaregele.jpg/)

Their privileged relationship shines through particularly in the first picture.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2010, 11:37:07 AM
Yes. Helen was a devoted mother, although I don't know how much she advised him in politics.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 18, 2010, 01:34:07 PM
Yes. Helen was a devoted mother, although I don't know how much she advised him in politics.

Michael was listening to her mother's advice even in politics. The proof is that they all have fomented the push of August 23, 1944 against the regime of General Antonescu.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Thanks. I suppose that would be one of the reasons why Karol II wanted to seperate Michael from his mother's influrence.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on May 24, 2010, 08:38:48 AM
Queen Mother Helen with King Michael and also ex-Queen Elisabeth of Greece, 23 february 1946 :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/70611523_feb_1946.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=70611523_feb_1946.jpg)

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/75228723_feb_1946bis.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=75228723_feb_1946bis.jpg)

Courtesy rezistenta.net
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 24, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
Thanks. I suppose that would be one of the reasons why Karol II wanted to seperate Michael from his mother's influrence.

Yes, Carol took care of Helen exile far, where Michael, Romanians and their own remorse could forget.
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 26, 2010, 01:31:01 PM
In 1930, a reconcialiation between Helen and Carol had been proposed by some members of the Romanian Government. Thus, a condition of acceptance of his return was that he abandons his mistress Magda Lupescu to resume life with Helen. Duplicity, Carol pretended to accept the terms of the arrangement, but time soon back to Bucharest, he was careful to only be greeted by his sisters. And as he did not intend to renounce his mistress, Helen took the decision to leave.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2010, 08:47:46 AM
Helen always came to the call of duty (as her country (Romania) and her son demanded), Carol felt no such feelings and at such he was deemed more selfish.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 01, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
Helen, Ileana and Mihai :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/61508mhi.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=61508mhi.jpg)

Helen and Mihai, 1928 :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/878709helenimichel.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=878709helenimichel.jpg)

Helen with Queen Marie of Yugoslavia in Belgrad, 1930 :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/29852marieyuhelenrumaniainbelgrad.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=29852marieyuhelenrumaniainbelgrad.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2010, 02:30:25 PM
Lovely pics !  ;) Thanks for posting them. The last picture confirms what I am saying about fur coats (popular from 1930-1960's). I wonder if they were mink or ermine ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 01, 2010, 02:39:28 PM
Lovely pics !  ;) Thanks for posting them. The last picture confirms what I am saying about fur coats (popular from 1930-1960's). I wonder if they were mink or ermine ?

Absolutely. Throughout history, women wore fur coats entirely. However, in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, would rather favor the coats of cloth or velvet trimmed with fur. Especially from the 20s that fashion fur coats fully began to spread until it reaches its peak after the Second World War.

On the photo in question, Mary and Helen are  in fur coats but I can not say what fur it is. Maybe there are specialists in this field on this forum who can answer.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 06, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
Helen and her brother Georges in 1930 :

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4297/77874261.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/77874261.jpg/)


Of all the children of Constantine and Sophie, who looked like they were the most physically to their mother. Both were of roughly similar fates, experienced an unhappy marriage that ended in divorce and living in exile much of their existence. But I do not know if they were similar in temperament.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 06, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
here s an slightly better version of that one

http://i50.tinypic.com/2zz1flj.jpg
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 06, 2010, 02:40:22 PM
Indeed. Eric, you know what were the similarities and differences of character between Helen and George ? Thank you in advance.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2010, 08:21:43 AM
Both of them seem to be low key and very much introverts like their mother Queen Sophie. Such charecters are usually attracted to people that are more extrovert and colourful (hense their attraction to Carol and Elisabetta), but they also had the inner-strength that is not visable to others (those who mark them weak are in for a big surprise). Apart from that, they both shared their love of England and things English (again inherited from their mother, who in term inherited from her mother (Vicky, Empress Frederick)).
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 07, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
Thank you for that answer. Helen and George were not weak, quite the contrary, because to show decency and dignity, as they both managed to do despite the trials, takes courage and strength of character unusual. It is much easier to yield to their wishes than to resist and also easier to behave shamefully does that to behave with dignity. For me, this, Helen had a much stronger character than Carol.

For my part, I prefer people who speak little but act rather than those who speak more than they act. Above all, I admire people with deference and dignity to any event. Helen and George were one of those.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
Yes. I agree. They were not week, but people might think so because they appeared well mannered and easy going.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 08, 2010, 02:34:45 PM
Yes. I agree. They were not week, but people might think so because they appeared well mannered and easy going.

People too often based their judgments on appearances. In my opinion, moral courage, sense of duty, honor and dignity are the true marks of a great character.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2010, 08:11:40 AM
Helena in parade

(http://i50.tinypic.com/atoodd.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2010, 09:27:48 AM
Where is this ?
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Post by: Svetabel on June 10, 2010, 08:04:58 AM
Where is this ?

On Mars...

You do know where this was - in Romania -, or do you want to know the exact name of the street?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
The city would help !  ;)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 10, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
The city would help !  ;)

Somehow I doubt you really need the location of the city.
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 07:42:25 AM
Helen as Princess of Greece

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/dbc80e24.jpg)

The source is the Russian State Archive.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2010, 08:20:07 AM
Helena and baby Mihai

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/623/img0015bb.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/img0015bb.jpg/)

 
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Post by: miki_nastya on June 18, 2010, 04:53:27 PM
  she looks a little bit fat in that picture
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 07:54:11 AM
I think it was the angle.  ;)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 19, 2010, 08:32:22 AM
Those arms are not product of the angle. Still, i think she looks fabulous!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
I don't think of her as fat, she always looked nice.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 20, 2010, 10:40:09 AM
  she looks a little bit fat in that picture

Thank you to Svetabel and Katenka for these wonderful pictures !!!

The framing of the picture with Michael is solely responsible for this impression. Helen was never fat, just a little busty in her youth. Busty but made with a well-proportioned body. Unlike other princesses who will tend to grow by taking the age, Helen will not cease to be refined until she becomes very thin with age.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 20, 2010, 11:08:51 AM
  When i had my son my body took a while to fully recover and i also had those kind of chubby arms. That s what maybe happened with her in that period, but i cant be 100% sure since i havent seen (as far i remember) pictures of her in this same period

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Post by: KarlandZita on June 20, 2010, 02:52:15 PM
Queen Mother Helen of Romania visiting Bucarest, 1941 :

(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6684/helenvisitbucarest1941.jpg) (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/helenvisitbucarest1941.jpg/)

Queen Helen of Romania and Princess René of Boubon Parma, 1948 :

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6466/helenprincessrenbparma.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/helenprincessrenbparma.jpg/)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2010, 08:47:24 PM
Why was she in Rome ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 21, 2010, 07:55:59 AM
Visiting her sister Irene perhaps?


Circa 1930

(http://i50.tinypic.com/34nrwhx.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 21, 2010, 03:43:08 PM
Visiting her sister Irene perhaps?


This photo is from 1948,  I think it is rather a visit to the wedding of his son Michael and Anne of Bourbon Parma.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 21, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
Yes. With Princess Rene of Borbon-Parma especially.
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 04, 2010, 11:25:14 AM
Helen in uniform :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/retd.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/dsgfg.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/cfgt.jpg)


What regiment commander was she ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 04, 2010, 12:35:13 PM
Helen and Mihai in Bucarest, 1932 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenmihai1932.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 04, 2010, 12:40:47 PM
With sister Irene

(http://i49.tinypic.com/opodh5.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 04, 2010, 02:23:55 PM
With sister Irene



Is it a cigarette held in her right hand?  Was she one of those few princesses who smoked ? Eric, what book are you talking about ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
Indeed. Smoking was considered sophisticated and liberating. Helen and her mother-in-law Missy both loved a puff.
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 04, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
Indeed. Smoking was considered sophisticated and liberating. Helen and her mother-in-law Missy both loved a puff.

What was helen of a very modern princess for the time. I don't think I ever saw her sister Irene dare to do the same thing as her older sister. Is her other Greeck cousins smoked too ? I do not think that was the case for Marina, but for others ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2010, 03:23:54 PM
I think Olga smoked and so did Wooley. Margarita of Hohenhole-Langenerg (sister of Prince Philip) also smoked.
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Post by: miki_nastya on July 04, 2010, 03:39:23 PM
I think in the picture with Michael she was in mourning with her mother, Queen Sophia who died on 13 January 1932
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
Possibily.

Well...Quite a few royal women smoked. it should not be such a shock. Princess Margaret smoked with a cigarette holder which was even more posh. Audrey Hepburn in "Breakfast At Tiffany" also used one.  :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 11, 2010, 08:59:52 AM
Sweet image of Elena and Mihai

(http://i27.tinypic.com/o05fm.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 12, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
Helen and her baby son Mihai :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/helenmihai.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 13, 2010, 07:03:04 AM
Im pretty sure this is a cropped version of another pic

(http://i30.tinypic.com/14jxpb4.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 13, 2010, 08:35:29 AM
Yes...taken in the same location as those other photos with her sister Irene and her Greek cousins (Margarita, Theodora & Philip).
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on August 31, 2010, 11:35:09 AM
Queen Mother Helen during the War :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_re.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=re.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_cathedralradauti1941.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=cathedralradauti1941.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_warvisit.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=warvisit.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/th_withson.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Queen%20Elena%20of%20Romania/?action=view&current=withson.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 01, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
I love her hats !  ;)

Yes, Helen was a beautiful lesson gives elegance, at once simple and sophisticated, fashionable elegance with a sense of detail and the right accessories makes all the difference.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 01, 2010, 05:20:41 PM
Indeed. She was close to another icon Olga of Yugoslavia, who was very elegant too.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2010, 08:44:30 AM
Elena and Mihai. Behind them, Irene

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7643/sdfafadsfdsfd.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/sdfafadsfdsfd.jpg/)
 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 02, 2010, 11:44:13 AM
Great shot ! What year ?  :)
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Post by: DavidH on September 04, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
Its the 15th November 1947. The place is London Heathrow Airport and King Michael (who piloted the plane) has just arrived with his mother, Queen Helen, and his aunt, Irene, Duchess of Aosta, for the wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Philip Mountbatten.

The man walking with the King is, I think, the Lord Chamberlain, the Earl of Clarendon, who was present to welcome the royal party on behalf of King George VI.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 05, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
Indeed. She was close to another icon Olga of Yugoslavia, who was very elegant too.

Really ? I don't know yet no photos or films of the time bringing the two cousins. The vagaries of politics often gave the opportunity to Helen  and Marina of Kent to meet, particularly after the Second World War, when King Michael sought the support of the English against the occupation of Romania by the Russian. However, I don't remember any official meeting between Helen and Princess Paul of Yugoslavia.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 05, 2010, 06:52:03 PM
There are lots of photos of the Constantine & Nicholas girls togather. Wooley was photographed with Irene & Helen in one. Historian Robert Golden visited Villa Sparta once and found Olga was staying with Helen at that time.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on September 07, 2010, 10:36:30 AM
There are lots of photos of the Constantine & Nicholas girls togather. Wooley was photographed with Irene & Helen in one. Historian Robert Golden visited Villa Sparta once and found Olga was staying with Helen at that time.  ;)

Ok, thank you for the clarification. Personally, I would love to see those famous photos of two of the most beautiful Greek princesses of this time.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2010, 10:44:07 AM
The Greek Princesses were very close. In the wedding photo of Prince of Hesse & Princess Mafalda of Savoy, Irene & Helen was there while Olga and Wooley was also in the group.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 07, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
I actually know this picture I have in a number of the Illustration Magazine. I situate Irene, Helen and Olga, but not Wooly. I thought she was not present at the wedding. I must therefore look more closely the image to try to recognize her among the guests. In any case, thank you for the info.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
She was actually standing next to Olga in the group photo. It made sense that both Olga & Wooley were out in society at thesame time, while Marina wass till in the school room.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2010, 03:13:46 PM
Helen with Michael and Queen Marie of Romania, 1929 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/1289641929.gif) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=1289641929.gif)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 03:17:27 PM
a beautifully tinted image of Elena

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3591/98jhgt.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/98jhgt.jpg/)

 
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2010, 03:22:04 PM
Beautiful, beauty in its purest ... a wonderful image of Helen that I don't know, thank you very much !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 28, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
You welcome! it could look very beautiful as your user image ;-D
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 01, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
Helen and her sister Irene :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/631177visitlondon.gif) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=631177visitlondon.gif)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 02, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
Helena with fiance Caqrol and papa Constantine

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6370/kjgh7.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/kjgh7.jpg/)

 
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 02, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
Helen and Irene in London at the wedding of their cousin Marina :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/422331HELIR.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=422331HELIR.jpg)

The same with more Katherine  :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/179741CATHELIR.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=179741CATHELIR.jpg)

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Post by: grandduchessella on October 03, 2010, 08:29:39 PM
Helena with fiance Caqrol and papa Constantine

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6370/kjgh7.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/kjgh7.jpg/)

 

At their engagement announcement--the mourning clothes (for Alexander I) would be sadly prophetic.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 06, 2010, 01:57:04 PM
Helen with her mother ex-Queen Sophie of Greece, 1923-1924 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/464833helensophie.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=464833helensophie.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 10, 2010, 11:58:27 AM
Helen with Mihai and Queen Marie of Yugoslavia, 1930 :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/575627Mariemickaelelen.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=575627Mariemickaelelen.jpg)

Many photos met the two sisters-in-law who seemed to have good relations. What was it exactly ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2010, 06:20:07 PM
Mignon got along with Helen generally. The one who was the problem was Elisabetta. Helen also did not trust Ileana because of her red leanings.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 11, 2010, 02:19:29 PM
Mignon was certainly a character closer to that of Helen.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 04:23:20 PM
Yes and since she has children too so she had more of an understanding of the difficulties of Helen than Elisabetta.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 13, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
Helen with Mihai, Queen Marie of Romania and Queen Elisabeth of Greece reviewing troops in 1928 :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/663579troops1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=663579troops1928.jpg)

I also saw the footage of this event and I don't know if Helen and Elizabeth ignored each other but at no time before the cameras the two sisters-in-law don't speak or look at.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2010, 05:36:36 PM
They were not close period as their marriages disintergrate so does their relationship.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 17, 2010, 05:13:16 AM
I know two versions of the departure of Helen in 1930, after the return of Carol in  Romania.

The first version, heard in a documentary claiming that the first step that took Carol to his return from Bucharest was to bring his mistress Magda Lupescu and Helen away by forcing her into exile abroad.

Another version, in a second documentary, says that despite his promise to get back together with Helen, Carol brought back his mistress Magda Lupescu in Bucharest and the learner, Helen decided to leave Romania on her own initiative. What is the truth in this matter ? Thank You in advance.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 17, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
Helen and Michael attending the national festivities in Romania with their right to Princess Olga of Yugoslavia. On the white horse in front of them stood the Prince Nicolas :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/753289heleneolgafetesnation1930.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=753289heleneolgafetesnation1930.jpg)
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Post by: seriya on October 18, 2010, 11:19:16 AM
Here a large and clearer version :)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/seriya1011/prm/1930photo.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/seriya1011/prm/1930photo.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 18, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Thank you!!! i always love to see new pictures of Nicolae *0*
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 18, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
Here a large and clearer version :)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/seriya1011/prm/1930photo.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/seriya1011/prm/1930photo.jpg)

Thank you for the best version, Seriya, and welcome on this topic !
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Post by: miki_nastya on October 26, 2010, 05:24:27 AM
 I just read that her grand daugher Margareta told her Amama. This remerber me of Queen Louise of Denmark.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
You mean she "called" her Amama. It is a Danish/Greek Royal family tradition. Princess Alexandra of Greece (later Queen of Yugoslavia, niece of Helen) called her grandmother Queen Sophie "Amama" too.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: miki_nastya on October 26, 2010, 10:02:10 AM
yes I mean that..:P..sorry my English is not very good. So Amama was a tradition..:)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on October 26, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
All Greek royal children had probably call their grandparents this way. I know that Princess Marina also named her paternal grandparents "Apapa" and "Amama".
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
Yes...Queen Olga & King George I was called that of course. Queen Sophie continued the tradition. I don't know if Queen Frederica was "Amama' ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: miki_nastya on October 26, 2010, 03:24:53 PM
I read in a book about Helen that she called Queen Olga Omama. Strange that Marina called her Amama
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2010, 03:27:45 PM
Not strange Queen Olga was her grandmother too you know.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on October 27, 2010, 08:58:18 AM
I think that miki's point was that, according to what she's read, the granddaughters called her similar but different names Omama vs Amama.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2010, 12:01:33 PM
Yes but never granny or grandmama...I think Queen Louise of Denmark started it...as you can see in Prince Nicholas of Greece's memoirs.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 29, 2010, 09:30:36 PM
Amama i think is like Grandma in Danish. they were Dans before they become Greeks, remember.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 29, 2010, 09:37:50 PM
Amama i think is like Grandma in Danish
No, it must be an infantile pronunciation of French grand-maman. Similar with Apapa from grand-papa. See this thread. (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14276.0)

On a parlé français en famille, vous savez.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 01, 2010, 08:58:51 AM
Elena with her dogs :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_118362helene.gif) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=118362helene.gif)

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_268220helendogsp.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=268220helendogsp.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 04:44:26 PM
I think she also had a big dog that was photographed with her & Carol.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 05, 2010, 05:15:24 PM
Yes, in the early years of their marriage.

Here a rare photo of Carol and Helen together:

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/493062carolelena4.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=493062carolelena4.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
I checked the last 10 pages and i didnt see it.

Helena, Mihai and Irene

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8952/prewedding.jpg) (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/prewedding.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2010, 03:25:31 PM
Photo taken in the night out around the time of Princess Elizabeth & Philip Mountbatten (just taken off his Greek title).
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 07, 2010, 07:05:52 AM
I checked the last 10 pages and i didnt see it.


See page 27, reply 401, on 04 May 2010.

However, I understand that you do not want to read all the pages of a topic which already has 35. Would not it time to start a new part ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania
Post by: Svetabel on November 07, 2010, 09:26:10 PM
I checked the last 10 pages and i didnt see it.


See page 27, reply 401, on 04 May 2010.

However, I understand that you do not want to read all the pages of a topic which already has 35. Would not it time to start a new part ?


It's the time. New thread is always one more chance for those who don't want to check the previous threads. The double pictures will be deleted.