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Title: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 07, 2014, 09:25:31 PM
A novel    about  Alexei   being Emperor    any  idea how   He would've   confronted  Hitler
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: edubs31 on September 07, 2014, 11:20:55 PM
That's the fun part. Since we're dealing in fiction you can shape Alexei the adult and Tsar and any way you see fit. How, by the way, are you explaining Alexei's rise to power in the first place? I assume the family gets saved in some sort of rescue effort and the White Army, who winds up being victorious in the Civil Warm elects the former-Tsarevich as the new Tsar. Doesn't seem very likely to me, but whatever, it's your story.

I've always felt that Alexei, while not terribly well educated for a boy of his social standing, was intelligent and clever in a way his father never was. I think he could have made a wiser Tsar than Nicholas, but not necessarily a stronger one. He was after all his father's son, and I don't get the sense that his views would have wound up all that more progressive. Of course if his role was reduced to Constitutional Monarch he would already have been forced to cede power and probably liberalize his views some. The spectra of sudden death from hemophilia must always have hung over his head. This might also have shaped Alexei's views as well.

Far as any confrontation with Hitler is concerned, I think your best step is to look at each of the steps taken by Stalin in the years leading up to Germany's May, 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union, including of course the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact which turned out not being worth the ink used on the paper it was signed on. Would Alexei have agreed to do 'X & Y' and even if he did, how might he handled relations differently than Stalin? These are important questions to ask oneself assuming you're playing out WW2 as it did, and not as it might have had the political situation in Russia been much different way back in 1918/19.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 08, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
Thank you for your help im having it   were  they were spilt up  Nicholas  II  On rail  in Moscow  (minus Tsaritsa and Daughters  )  he is pronounced Guilty   shot  meanwhile When Revolutionst  try to take  Tsarskoe  Selo      Imperial Guards  with an American Contingent   over   take them and kill them    they inform  them all that Alexei   is now Alexei II  of Russia   with    Alexandra as regent  he  reforms the System  Autocatic -Liberalism  builds new roads   schools   trial by jury   and a Real Parliament   Empress Alexandra  goes into retirement  living in  Alexander Palace as  a Nun
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Vive_HIH_Aleksey on September 08, 2014, 07:41:40 AM
Just want to say I wish you the best of luck with this. Aleksei is a person I am deeply passionate about as well, and love when novelists (like myself) try to capture what he could have been like. I haven't even tried making him a main character in anything I've done for fear of dishonoring or disrespecting him in some way... who knows, maybe that will change someday and I'll gain the confidence necessary to do so. Til then, as I said, best of luck to you.

One thing I will say is I believe he would have been a compassionate ruler towards his people. He had great compassion in reality, as evidenced by some of the anecdotes I've read about him (factual, not legend). So my advice is to capture that compassion first and foremost.

Good luck to you again. Please keep me posted on your progress! If you like, I could even assist in critiquing and editing.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Превед on September 08, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
A novel    about  Alexei   being Emperor    any  idea how   He would've   confronted  Hitler

Perhaps he would have allied himself and Russia with Hitler's Germany? It could make for an interesting internal conflict: Alexey, despite feeling very Russian, was of mostly Germanic heritage (and a descendant of Rurik, the Norse founder of the Russian state). Thus he was an actual example of Hitler's theories of Aryan Germans ruling over Slavs. But at the same time he was severely disabled with a genetic defect, what Hitler would have branded "degenerate". How would he have felt about allying Russia, for the sake of peace, to a German regime that would have gassed him if he wasn't the emperor? Perhaps his grandmother's trusted friend Marshall Mannerheim, President of Finland, allied with Germany during WW2, would have had something wise to say on that matter.

What were Alexey's feelings about Poland, the revived country between Russia and Poland. Would he have been happy to repartition Poland with Germany? Did he feel Pan-Slavic about the Poles? Did he have a horror of Poland after Spała and Franciszka Czenstkowska (although admittedly she would probably not have risen to fame if Alexey was saved.)

Many interesting ways to take things - good luck with your story!



Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on September 08, 2014, 10:34:51 AM
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Thank you for your help im having it   were  they were spilt up  Nicholas  II  On rail  in Moscow  (minus Tsaritsa and Daughters  )  he is pronounced Guilty   shot  meanwhile When Revolutionst  try to take  Tsarskoe  Selo      Imperial Guards  with an American Contingent   over   take them and kill them    they inform  them all that Alexei   is now Alexei II  of Russia   with    Alexandra as regent  he  reforms the System  Autocatic -Liberalism  builds new roads   schools   trial by jury   and a Real Parliament   Empress Alexandra  goes into retirement  living in  Alexander Palace as  a Nun
 

Your idea has a lot of merit, in fact, if you've read Days Of OTMA's Lives, you'll see some similar ones (the ending of the Autocracy, for example).  Alternate histories are fun.

However, if you have a Real Parliament, then they, and whomever was Prime Minister, would be dealing with Hitler.  If Alexei becomes a figurehead, like the British Monarch, they he would have no say in Foreign Policy.  He could advise, but not command.  

Good luck with this novel.   It sounds fascinating.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: wakas on September 08, 2014, 10:53:20 AM
It's a great idea of novel and a fascinating topic.  I'm looking forward to reading it.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Превед on September 08, 2014, 01:11:52 PM
However, if you have a Real Parliament, then they, and whomever was Prime Minister, would be dealing with Hitler.  If Alexei becomes a figurehead, like the British Monarch, they he would have no say in Foreign Policy.  He could advise, but not command.

The thing is, it would be highly unlikely for Russia to make the jump from autocracy to parliamentary monarchy with just a stroke of the pen. Remember that it took hundreds of years, incuding several civil wars and revolutions, for parliamentary monarchy to develop in Britain. During a what-if reign of an Emperor Alexey II, Russia would probably have experienced some of the same conflicts that central European countries such as Finland, Poland, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Romania etc. experienced in the unstable interwar years. I.e. conflicts between parliament and a (strong) executive and often conflict between the official head of state (president or monarch) and authoritarian, populist leaders.

Poland under Marshall Piłsudski is an interesting example of how a democracy born out of Wilson's 14 points of national self-determination struggled with authoritarian tendencies, not at least because Piłsudski himself is interesting, as a conservative statesman once persecuted by the Tsarist authorities (just like Finland's first President Svinhufvud) because he had been a member of Narodnaya Volya and been plotting to blow up Alexander III.

With the parliamentarian systems and leaders often quite weak, it was often up to the heads of state / monarchs (Vittorio Emanuele III in Italy, Carol II of Romania, Boris III of Bulgaria, George II of Greece, Haakon VII of Norway) to deal with foreign threats such as Hitler personally. If they did, they ran the task of embroiling the crown in dangerous party politics, if they didn't, some local Mussolini was more than willing to do it on behalf of them.

That would have been the dillemma Alexey II would have been faced with. I don't think British constutional monarchy above party lines would have been a viable option in Russia. (Proof: Parliamentary government is not functioning in Russia as we speak, despite 25 years of development since the Fall of the Iron Curtain.) If Alexey didn't want to face the hard choices and grimy realities, I think he would have had to return to Byzantine theocracy, i.e. be some sort of powerless monastic puppet in a golden cage, like the last Chinese emperor.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 08, 2014, 03:43:25 PM
thanks for  good  wishes   ill   let you read the first page
ok  it starts after  the Tsars death :
"My Children  ! Sons and Daughter  of our Holy Mother Russia.
since the Sarrowful   Death of  our predessor   our  Beloved  Monarch  and Sovereign Lord  . Emperor  Nicholas II    and the Execution and the dissolution of their IlLegal   Government   We   His Rightful  Heir   and Sucessor  and only son   Have  Emperor Alexei  II  of  Russia!
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 11, 2014, 10:02:48 PM
That's the first page there are about 20 more
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on September 12, 2014, 10:52:32 AM
Reading your posts, I'm going to guess that English is not your first language (ah, the age of the Internet, it reaches all around the world). 

If that is the case, you should get a Beta reader to help you on this project. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_reader
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: wakas on September 12, 2014, 10:54:07 AM
Even if English doesn't seem to be your native tongue, the beginning of your novel sounds good, I'd like to read more of it.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 12, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
English is my first .
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on September 12, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
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English is my first .

Ah, okay then.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: edubs31 on September 12, 2014, 12:44:13 PM
English is my first .

Romanov_Fan19, I don't have too much of a problem understanding you, and please don't take this as an insult...but what's with the spacing between your words and punctuation marks? Are you typing through some strange format? Otherwise I'd recommend tightening things up, especially as an aspiring novelist!
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Justine on September 12, 2014, 01:48:21 PM
Good idea for the novel. But I must admit that I find it hard to believe that Alexandra would be regent with so much hatred towards her at the time(I would guess she rather would be sent to monastery).
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on September 12, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
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...but what's with the spacing between your words and punctuation marks?

That's what confused me.  It seemed like this was a person who was not familiar with the English language (something one can expect on a board like this that has many international posters).  
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 12, 2014, 05:21:29 PM
I am afraid I am not good with   words in proper order    never   have been    as for Alexandra   im writing it  in a way  that she is regent for only a few weeks 
she  dies of a heart attack   Buried  in Fyododorovsky  Chapel   then Grand Duke Mikhail becomes regent   for a short time.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on September 13, 2014, 12:20:46 AM
Hello Romanov Fan

I agree with all the historical points already made. It's worth, I think, having a particular look at Boris's III of Bulgaria, who did find himself dealing personally with Hitler, and actually suffered his fatal heart attack while flying back from one of their meetings. From all I know of Boris's, he was a very decent man and so must have been completely out of sympathy with him on a personal level, which would give you some useful insights. Unfortunately, there's not a huge amount written about Boris's in English.

Also worth looking at Michael of Roumania, who was in a similar position, with the extra difficulty of being very young and having just emerged from a pro-German regency.

Hope that helps. I didn't dare use a real person as my central character!

I see an adult Alexei limping heavily after the crisis at Tobolsk. Is this going to colour his attitude to the armed forces?

Incidentally, everybody,  would you like to see some more of Sandor Dolgoruky and Kate?

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: edubs31 on September 13, 2014, 12:50:53 AM

Incidentally, everybody,  would you like to see some more of Sandor Dolgoruky and Kate?

Ann

Pretty please!
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on September 13, 2014, 01:09:05 AM
While I think of it, I don't think you can realistically have Alexandra is regent. Initially at least, Alexei's reign is going to be very fragile indeed, and whoever is regent will have to enjoy the confidence of Alexei's military and political supporters. Given the general hatred of her in Russia, Alexandra is not a realistic candidate, and I'm struggling to think of anybody else within the family who would command the necessary respect and have the political skills.  I think you would need to invent some political/military figure for the job, unless General Alexiev was still alive IATA this point. Since you're being counter-factual, he would be a possibility.

Alexei as monarch with Alexandra in a convent!

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on September 13, 2014, 01:13:25 AM
Apologies for dodgy spelling and grammar in my last two posts. I'm away from home and on my iPad, so predictive text is a problem!

Erik

I will post some more when I get home.

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: edubs31 on September 13, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
While I think of it, I don't think you can realistically have Alexandra is regent. Initially at least, Alexei's reign is going to be very fragile indeed, and whoever is regent will have to enjoy the confidence of Alexei's military and political supporters. Given the general hatred of her in Russia, Alexandra is not a realistic candidate, and I'm struggling to think of anybody else within the family who would command the necessary respect and have the political skills.  I think you would need to invent some political/military figure for the job, unless General Alexiev was still alive IATA this point. Since you're being counter-factual, he would be a possibility.

Alexei as monarch with Alexandra in a convent!

Ann

Brusilov as that military figure perhaps? And for a female regent, much as I hate to utter her name, how about Meichen?
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on September 13, 2014, 05:50:13 PM
Alexei is getting quite a bit in alternate history.  In this proposed novel, he gets to become Tsar.

In Days, we're sending him (and his wife, Kole), to Mars.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on October 02, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
Ann more of Sandor and Kate would be fine. Lets hope they get out of the mess Russia is about to desend in

On Alexei as Tsar you could have as regents his grandmother Maria Fed and the Grand Duke Nicholas N,

I don't think Alexei as Tsar would have had anything to do with Hitler after his sister Olga reads "Mein Kampf" and tells him what Hitler had planned for Russia. It should also be pointed out one of the reasons Hitler got into power was because Stalin made it impossible for the parties on the left and center in Germany to form a coalition against him. Only a leader as stupid as Stalin as it turned out would be dumb enough to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler after purging his army leaving it in no shape to fight a war. Also Hitler has no Communist menace to go after in Russia without lenin and Stalin.

Note in Russia there where jury trials for most crimes since the legal reforms of the 1860s. They did have a very impressive legal system which Lenin and Stalin destroyed.

If Alexei somehow lives long enough to be Tsar. It would be a sort of quasi-constitutional soft dictatorship like Russia 1906-1914. There will be an elected Duma, a free press ect but the country will be in a real mess for many years after WW I do to the effects of the revolution. I can also see Alexei in the mid to late 1930s trying to get Russia back as Allies of the British and French to oppose Hitler if he does come to power.

I hope this is of some use.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on October 02, 2014, 05:26:15 PM
This sounds like it will be an interesting novel.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on October 03, 2014, 02:41:27 AM
I like the idea of Olga ploughing her way through Mein Kampf and being absolutely horrified.

I will post some more of Sandor and Kate. I will start with the death of Rasputin, but include a warning for readers concerned about gore and homophobia.

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: wakas on October 04, 2014, 11:28:29 AM
I wonder what you're planning to do about Alexei's reaction to his father's death. He was very close to him, so how will he cope? Will that event affect his politics, like Alexander II's death affected both Alexander III and Nicholas II?
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on October 05, 2014, 12:05:35 PM
Yeah, how would Alexei react if his father died.  You should build on that.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 14, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
he had then men shot by a Military Execution Squad
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on October 15, 2014, 03:22:44 AM
After a court-martial.

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 15, 2014, 01:50:35 PM
yes its not in the book          you see I have imagined  a plot on board the  Rus where  Russian  White Guard   Take  Command     Tell him his father  was shot  in Moscow   (not  Yekaterinburg )   so he goes to the old Capital Moscow Dissolves the  Communist Government   and  announces his accession   after a rushed  Coronation  he  attends to a  a Court Martial   and  Lenin Trotsky  ect   are all shot  Firing Squad
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on October 15, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
There should be a court martial.  Shooting people without a trial is what the Bolshevik thugs did.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 16, 2014, 12:26:32 AM
agree    i am up too wwii  now   he is   betrayed   by Hitler   sends his  sisters out of the country with their husbands
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on October 16, 2014, 03:30:28 AM
Even if Alexei wants to go straight on to a firing squad, his regents will insist on a court-martial, if only because killing without trial was exactly what the Bolsheviks did.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 16, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
I Played it that way   He  Abolished the Regency   and had  a Court Martial
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on October 16, 2014, 02:28:09 PM
How old is Alexei at this stage? If you are killing Nicholas at the time of the Ekaterinburg massacre, then Alexei will be not quite 14 - a little young for dismissing the regents.

I suggest that the regency should last unil Alexei is 18. The regents can organise the court-martial, with Alexei's approval.

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 16, 2014, 05:07:39 PM
it stars  a year after  1919 -  1920  Empress  Alexandra  is confined  to her bed with Heart  issues
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 18, 2014, 12:22:11 AM
I now have him  past World War II   He  Invited  Roosevelt  And Churchill  to the Yalta Conference   since  The Communist Party has been  outlawed in all 3 countries the  Cold War did not happen   Also  The July 20  plot killed Hitler
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on October 18, 2014, 05:06:42 PM
Sounds good. 
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 19, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
So now its just  visiting Relations ect ect 
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on October 20, 2014, 12:01:08 PM
Please keep us updated to your progress.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 20, 2014, 01:52:03 PM
would you like me to type it out
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on October 29, 2014, 03:34:55 PM
The Russian did use field court martials to deal with unrest during the 1905 revolution, but I would say based on what happened during the Russian civil war there would be a lot of people just taken out and shot without any sort of trial. This would not only apply to the Bolsheviks many other Russian political groups like the SRs who supported the Bolsheviks will have their members also taken out and shot. Kerensky would be a good example many Russian army officers were furious with him over the Kornilov affair and if they ask him why he did do anything against Lenin even though he had a small mountain of evidence showing Lenin was being aided by the Germans and all Kerensky says because it would harm the revolution. No doubt he would be shot for this unless he stays out of Russia.
 There will also be a number of large scale Pogroms against Jews. There were a number of Jews in the higher ranks of the Bolshevik party and the Cheka contained many Jews as well. This is based on what happened during the Russian civil war. Denikin and Kolchak the main White leaders trying to stop them but couldn't. I don't think the regency for Alexei will have much luck either. One man who will be important in post WW I Russia is future US President Herbert Hoover. During WW I he headed up a relief commission that fed millions of people in Europe. It also fed millions of Russians in the 1921 famine.
 Major problem the Bolsheviks and SRs gave the peasants the landlords land ect. The regency and Tsar Alexei II will most likely leave the peasants the land unless they want a series of peasant uprisings, but will have to find a away to compensate the owners. They also have to deal with Russia's massive WW I debt that Lenin repudiated. Then they have to rebuild the country that the Bolsheviks destroyed. Which is going to be a Titanic job. One should point out that many of the WW I ministers of the Russian government were fairly good men. No doubt the regency will put them to work. I hope this is of some use.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 29, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
Yes thank you very useful
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on November 05, 2014, 05:53:50 PM
I hope the book project is going well.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on November 06, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
well  enough    kina hit a writers block
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on November 08, 2014, 11:33:11 AM
Yeah, I've dealt with writer's block too.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on November 08, 2014, 03:57:34 PM
I Have them all married of its late 1940s 
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on May 05, 2015, 03:55:23 PM
ITS FINISHED
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on May 06, 2015, 03:33:34 AM
When can we see it?

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on August 11, 2015, 07:11:14 AM
Yeah, when can we see it?
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on August 12, 2015, 10:09:44 PM
lol  I Lost  it   long story shot  he lived  well over  100      Maria  married the  Earl of Burma 
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on August 13, 2015, 05:21:13 AM
You lost it!?

Don't you have any back up copies on a flash drive?
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on August 13, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
no
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on August 13, 2015, 05:16:25 PM
Oh, that sucks.

I have all my stuff backed up on not one, but two, flash drives.  If anything happens to my computer, I still have my stuff. 

Perhaps you should do the same.  Better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on August 13, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
yea  I just used a notebook
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on August 15, 2015, 07:06:47 AM
A acronym from the Repairman Jack novels come to mind here:  HYRTBU   Hope You Remembered To Back Up
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on January 22, 2016, 02:34:17 PM
Ill  look for it
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: Kalafrana on January 22, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
I put everything on Dropbox.

Ann
Title: Re: I Want to Write a novel
Post by: TimM on February 03, 2016, 06:26:24 AM
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Ill  look for it

Have you found it yet.

If you have, be sure to make a copy.