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Title: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Romafan96 on September 06, 2015, 11:34:04 AM
I thought this question might get a few funny answers because there are some things that annoy us BECAUSE we are fans of the Imperial Family. They wouldn't annoy us if we weren't. I thought it would be cool/fun to see what everyone else thought :D

A couple of my "Romanov annoyances" are:

1. When the Grand Duchesses get referred to as "Princesses" (i.e Princess Anastasia). This happens a lot when they get reported in the British press and I'm just like "THAT'S NOT THEIR TITLE." Like calling someone Miss instead of Mrs.

2. When people watch the Anastasia cartoon and instantly think Anastasia survived. This doesn't really invoke a feeling of annoyance for me, actually. More feelings of "if only you knew...." and "don't get me started on why she didn't"

3. People mispronouncing the name Romanov. Names being mispronounced gets on my nerves  in general. Growing up with an uncommon name, it happened to me a lot in school and other places. Ro-MAN-ov. Not RO-man-ov as its often pronounced here.

4. When people make claims about the Imperial Family that you just know are not true. I can remember when I studied Imperial Russia as part of my A Levels a year ago, my class all seemed convinced that Alexandra had an affair with Rasputin. I can see why they would think that but Romanov fans know it's just not true. And it's really hard to argue your case when everyone else takes stuff at face value. ;)

5. When people question my interest in the Imperial Family. I just find them a lot more interesting than Justin Bieber and One Direction.

Does anyone else have any more amusing annoyances? :D
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: edubs31 on September 10, 2015, 09:39:17 PM
I'm on board with you on some of these. But others seem more like petty grievances than genuine annoyances...

1) Don't hear this too often but yes I suppose it merits correcting.

2) I think this has been a source of irritation for any serious Romanov fan since...well...forever.

3) Eh, now you're overdoing it a little. This never bothered me and I too slip into "Rome-enough" from time to time. There are a number of ways to pronounce Anastasia too...It's not like we're confused about who you're referring to here.

4) This false information that gets accepted as fact bothers me as well. There are any number of myths and misconceptions about Rasputin though so I feel like it's simply water under the bridge.

5) My cats are more interesting than Justin Bieber and One Direction. The only people who would question why you're more interested in Romanovs/Russian history than current teeny-bopper fads are not worth your time in the first place.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Laura Mabee on September 11, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
3. People mispronouncing the name Romanov. Names being mispronounced gets on my nerves  in general. Growing up with an uncommon name, it happened to me a lot in school and other places. Ro-MAN-ov. Not RO-man-ov as its often pronounced here.
Guilty as charged. Growing up, all documentaries and films I watched pronounced it  RO-man-ov. It's very hard to change.  : (
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Georgiy on September 22, 2015, 03:42:51 PM
The one about pronunciation is an interesting issue. Here in New Zealand, many place names are in Maori. English pronunciations give mangled results, so there is a big effort made for people to say them correctly. On the other hand, who among you say "talk-your" for Tokyo, yet that is closer to the correct pronunciation. No one pronounces my wife's name, Olga, correctly either. I think it is important to make an effort to pronounce things as closely as possible to the original, but within the limitations of one's own language. Bearing that in mind, correct pronunciation of Romanov and Anastasia is not beyond English speakers.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Превед on September 26, 2015, 06:56:05 AM
One of my Romanov annoyances is that people don't acknowledge that they weren't really Romanovs, but Holstein-Gottorp-Romanovs! :-)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RomanovsCoatGG.png)
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on September 26, 2015, 09:24:55 PM
When you're watching a movie set in Imperial Russia and can't help noticed all the things they got wrong.

This is why my friend won't dare watch any such movie with me in the room.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TheLionandTheEagle on October 12, 2015, 05:06:34 AM
People who think Rasputin was a monk.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: The Test Card Girl on March 27, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
If Rasputin wasn't a monk, what was he?

Also, as with Marie Antoinette, most of what average people know of Alexandra is post-mortem lies by the revolutionaries.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Превед on March 27, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
If Rasputin wasn't a monk, what was he?

He was a strannik (Russian: стра́нник), which means a religious wanderer or pilgrim. (From страна, country, region.)

His Wikipedia article says:
Rasputin's claimed vision of Our Lady of Kazan turned him towards the life of a religious mystic. Around 1893, he travelled to Mount Athos, but left shocked and profoundly disillusioned, confronted with sodomy as he told Makary. By 1900, Rasputin was identified as a strannik, a religious wanderer, visiting holy places on foot and living from charity. However, he always went home to help his family with sowing and the harvest. He is sometimes considered a yurodiviy ("holy fool"), and a starets ("elder"), but he did not consider himself a starets, who lived in seclusion and silence.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Aliss_Kande on March 27, 2016, 09:48:19 PM
Strictly speaking, OTMA were "Grand Princesses", not "Grand Duchesses", but there is no English equivalent of that title.  I can let that one go, but a shiver goes up my spine each time.

My biggest pet peeve is when photos are mislabeled.  Not the rare, poor quality, can't properly see who it is pics, but the 1913 family photos where all the girls are labeled wrong.  I've seen it wrong in so many "history" books.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Превед on March 28, 2016, 05:46:20 AM
Strictly speaking, OTMA were "Grand Princesses", not "Grand Duchesses", but there is no English equivalent of that title.  I can let that one go, but a shiver goes up my spine each time.

If it's any solace, I can point out that the English language, despite often being hailed as having the globally richest vocabulary, couldn't render the sheer awesomeness of OTMA's title with "grand princesses" either. "Grand princesses" makes you think of some elevated, pretentious and staid form of an ordinary princess, like a princess royal or la grande mademoiselle (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Marie-Louise_d'Orl%C3%A9ans), but as you know in Russian they were not великие принцессы / velikie printsessy, some elevated form of minor princesses from Central European dwarf "grand" duchies like Hesse, Luxembourg, the Brothers Grimms Märchenland or outright Disneyland, but великие княжны, velikie knyazhny, Großfürstinnen, which sounds so ice-cold yet multicoloured that they can only be shown on black-and-white photos due to technical deficiencies in our current fallen age. Thats how I like to think of it, anyways. :-)
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 28, 2016, 05:58:01 AM
This is really minor, btu I get very frustrated whenever somebody claims that "Tatiana" means "Fairy Queen". IT-DOES-NOT. I am sorry that her name´s origin is not poetic enough but that does not mean you can just conjure up a meaning that will suit your wants better.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on March 28, 2016, 07:22:30 AM
When they mispronouncing the names.

The old In Search Of episode about Anna Anderson, for example.  Leonard Nimoy kept mispronouncing Tatiana's name as "Titania"!
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: The Test Card Girl on March 28, 2016, 09:33:38 AM
Clearly Mr. Nimoy had other things on his mind at that particular moment...

My own pet peeve - guys who sexualize and objectify OTMA. They were brutally murdered. We don't need to know what sexual antics some spotted geek wishes he could have OTMA perform.


Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Превед on March 28, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
We don't need to know what sexual antics some spotted geek wishes he could have OTMA perform.

Tell them evil uncle Serguey and lecherous uncle KR would come, drag them to a bathhouse and punish (!) them with imperial impunity if they touched OTMA!

BTW the older I get the more I think spots on lads are adorable...... (*Lecherous grand dukes Serguey and KR chuckle.)

Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Lochlanach on April 02, 2016, 04:58:50 AM
1) My pet hate - reading in numerous books , forums and blogs about what lovely Russian looks OTMA had . They were German for goodness sake !!! Please look at their family tree on wkipedia and understand how genetic inheritance works . The idea that Peter the Greats Russian DNA  being so strong that it overwhelms the 99% of German ancestry and causes OTMA to 'look Russian' is obviously ludicrous or, to put it scientificallly - statistically improbable -   yet that is what we are implicitly told to believe , especially when OTMA put on their pretty uniforms and look all patriotic ! Reality rather than romantic fantasy please .

2) Having to continue to put up with Ana Anderson suppporters/fantasists in 2016 . The existence of the Loch Ness Monster is more credible.

3) Reading of the frankly infuriating morbidity, self pity, stubbornness and overbearing piety of Alix and her short sighted determination to preserve the monarchy at all costs for 'baby'. One wants to shake her out of her trance. But one remembers than Ella , Sandro, etc already tried and failed. Nicky and Alix aren't unique in that respect - ie not really believing they are about to be toppled until the moment it happens (Nero , the Ceaucescu's , Louis XVI and MA etc) , but we know the consequences for the family and for Russia and the frustration only grows...

4) No one understands why you have suddenly gone quiet and gloomy when it's because you have been looking at OTMA photos on the laptop !

5) Wanting to visit Russia badly  ,but cannot , or will not , because of the labyrinthine, expensive, bureacratic visa hell .
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Kalafrana on April 02, 2016, 09:01:10 AM
Agree with you entirely on (2) and (3).

As a pedant, I have to mention the habit of ill-informed writers of describing Nikolai Nikolaievich as Nicholas II's uncle, when he was actually his first cousin once removed (first cousin to Alexander III).

Ann
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 04, 2016, 05:02:00 PM
Agree with you entirely on (2) and (3).

As a pedant, I have to mention the habit of ill-informed writers of describing Nikolai Nikolaievich as Nicholas II's uncle, when he was actually his first cousin once removed (first cousin to Alexander III).

Ann
I second this irritation of yours, Ann. GD NN did appear almost a generation older than the Emperor Nicholas II to some extent (twelve years older in fact), but the cousin relationship is clear and a biological fact.
I've seen the mistaken "uncle" reference so often that I found myself re-checking the Romanov family tree at least a few times.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on April 05, 2016, 07:53:41 AM
With all the similar names, I could see how some could get them mixed up.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Kalafrana on April 05, 2016, 09:07:01 AM
True. I find the two Marie Pavlovna's easy to confuse.

But these things are easy enough to check.

NN's father of the same name was, of course, Nicholas's great-uncle.

Ann
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: mcdnab on April 05, 2016, 10:42:52 AM
I wonder if it is a translation mistake - older first cousins once or twice removed were i read often referred to as Aunt or Uncle - for example Olga Alexandrovna referred to the Queen of Greece (Olga Constantinovna) as Aunt though she was also her godmother (and first cousin of her father Alexander III)
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on April 05, 2016, 02:56:56 PM
Could be.  All those names, I can see how someone could goof up a translation.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Inok Nikolai on April 05, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
Agree with you entirely on (2) and (3).

As a pedant, I have to mention the habit of ill-informed writers of describing Nikolai Nikolaievich as Nicholas II's uncle, when he was actually his first cousin once removed (first cousin to Alexander III).

Ann

I am not contradicting your observation, nor is what I say here meant as an excuse for those "uncle" references, since most of those authors don't know Russian, but I merely wanted to mention that in Russian the terms for such cousins include the terms "uncle", "aunt" "grandfather" etc., in order to indicate the generational relationship between the two parties.

A first cousin once removed, is called a "cousin-uncle" in Russian. A great uncle would be a "cousin-grandfather"; a grand nephew would be a "grandson-nephew", or, more rarely, a "cousin-grandson", etc. You get the picture...
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on April 06, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
One RL thing that's been annoying me (and no doubt others here too) are the spammers that have hit this board over the past few days. 

Don't these losers have anything better to do than annoy us?   Guess not.

Needless to say, I've reported said spam to the Admin.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 09, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
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My own pet peeve - guys who sexualize and objectify OTMA.

I haven't encountered this, and I hope I never do. Nothing is wrong with finding someone long dead attractive, but it crosses over into weird once it gets sexual.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Lochlanach on July 08, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
Agree with you entirely on (2) and (3).

As a pedant, I have to mention the habit of ill-informed writers of describing Nikolai Nikolaievich as Nicholas II's uncle, when he was actually his first cousin once removed (first cousin to Alexander III).

Ann

5) ...When you're accustomed to flitting around Europe without so much as  a passport check , visiting Russia seems a costly , complicated business and puts me off visiting, which is a shame.

1)...Well it is a curiosity more than an annoyance  ( I overstated my indignation) when the process of 'de-mythologising OTMA' goes out the window ( along with common sense ) when it comes to their appearance. Flights of fancy grip the imaginations of contemporaries , historians and fans alike , and much hand wringing ensues over Tatiana's cheekbones or Olga's wide face . Clear waters become muddied , and questionable assumptions go unchallenged  and are endlessly repeated . The prosaic reality is ... OTMA were German . Simple.
Opinions given on the subject of their appearance SHOULD begin with that basic fact in mind . Yet they rarely do . As I said..... curious.

Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 21, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
Things that annoy me about the Romanovs and history in general

Bad historical research

Wrong captions photos or non period photos

A totally inaccurate book cover.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Превед on September 19, 2017, 08:25:36 AM
Disappointing and frankly shocking that "grand duke" has been translated storhertug (великий герцог) instead of storfyrste (великий князь) in the Norwegian translation (by a professional translator!) of Helen Rappaport's otherwise apparently very good "Caught in the Revolution: Petrograd, Russia, 1917". Also the first place where I've encountered the form tsarinne (corruption of tsarina), which can translated as Tsaress in English!
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on September 26, 2017, 08:07:09 PM
In a above reply someone commented that OTMA were German not Russian if so what does this make the children of:

Philip of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg and Elizabeth of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Forum Admin on September 26, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
OTMA were not "German". However, the German government considered them "Princesses of German Blood" in the treaty of Brest Litovsk as the grand daughters of Grand Duke Ludwig IV of Hesse-Darmstadt.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: Kalafrana on September 27, 2017, 01:40:01 AM
James

We should bear in mind that Elizabeth of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is the daughter of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, whose blood was very much Scottish and English.

I did, however, once try to work out the proportion of British blood in George V, and gave up when I got to fractions of 10,000.

Ann
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: GDSophie on September 27, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
OTMA were not "German". However, the German government considered them "Princesses of German Blood" in the treaty of Brest Litovsk as the grand daughters of Grand Duke Ludwig IV of Hesse-Darmstadt.


I don't see why people do not understand that. When people say that the treaty doesn't concern OTMA because they are not German, are obviously not reading it right. If the treaty said 'German Princesses' than it would only be Alix and Ella, but they said 'Princesses of German Blood'...because they have German blood.

I've been looking at 'German' too much that it doesn't look like a word anymore.
Title: Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
Post by: TimM on May 15, 2018, 05:10:59 PM
I just hope that they don't get too many facts wrong this year, being the 100th Anniversary of the murders.