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Title: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: lilianna on September 11, 2015, 08:03:34 AM
Today.
The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried in the Peter and Paul Fortress.

1. http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2662997
2. http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1515116/
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on September 11, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
FINALLY
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: violetta on September 11, 2015, 01:19:22 PM
At last.It was indecent and heartess to keep these remains in the State Archiwes of Russia!!1 TO tell the truth, I never understood why Orthodox CHurch opposed their burial without offering logical expalanation.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: wakas on September 11, 2015, 01:36:04 PM
Ditto! I was thinking "at last!" too !

The family will finally be reunited. It was about time.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 11, 2015, 08:02:36 PM
Fantastic news!!!

It all seems rather fast though as October 18th is only a little over a month from now. Does the date have any special connection?
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: violetta on September 12, 2015, 06:58:54 AM
Yes, Alexei`s nameday!
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: TimM on September 12, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
You mean the foot dragging is finally over. 

About time that Maria and Alexei are able to join the rest of the family.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 12, 2015, 01:35:10 PM
Is there any truth to this? Their doing another round of tests on the remains?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/russia-agrees-to-further-dna-tests-over-remains-of-romanov-children (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/russia-agrees-to-further-dna-tests-over-remains-of-romanov-children)

It seems the church is dragging their feet and trying to delay it and no surprise Maria Vladimirovna seems to support it. The church is one thing but she is coming off looking like a fool, it won't get her anything she wants. "Premature" my ass!

If true I hope it doesn't delay the burial and it does happen October 18th.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: violetta on September 12, 2015, 01:48:09 PM
Maria Sisi, I`m afraid that`s true. i guess the Church agreed on the burial of alexey and maria under the condition that the Russian Academy of Science continues tests. If necessary the authorities will agree to exhumate the remains in the Peter and Paul Cathedral. :-[
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 12, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
Maria Sisi, I`m afraid that`s true. i guess the Church agreed on the burial of alexey and maria under the condition that the Russian Academy of Science continues tests. If necessary the authorities will agree to exhumate the remains in the Peter and Paul Cathedral. :-[

I wonder if it does come down to that whose remains would be exhumed. I doubt it would be Nicholas, Alexandra or any the girls since I believe the Church still finds their remains sketchy. Not Maria Feodorovna since the Russian government agreed with the Danish that in order to have her remains returned they agreed to leave them untouched. So George Alexandrovich again?

October 18th is only 36 days away! Such planning of an important event like this needs time and doesn't happen over night. I suppose in order to carry it out with the respect deserved and to please the church a small delay wouldn't be too bad as long as they plan a date for it to go ahead and it actually happens. No more lying in the storage closet, that's all!
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: thebelgianhare on September 12, 2015, 05:20:14 PM
If Michael (Misha, Mishka) is ever found will he be buried with the family too?
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: TimM on September 12, 2015, 07:11:17 PM
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If Michael (Misha, Mishka) is ever found will he be buried with the family too?

I would hope so.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 12, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
It's such a shame, and pretty amazing, that Michael seems to have been forgotten. He's the son of a Tsar, the brother of a Tsar and the first Romanov victim of the Bolshevik terror yet somehow he rarely if ever gets mentioned in books that talk about the civil war and the end of the dynasty :o They only mention Nicholas left him the throne and he refused it in barely a sentence.

Nicholas, Alexandra and the children come first, Ella and the Grand Dukes/Princes at Alapayevsk second, and third the Grand Dukes in the St Peter and Paul fortress. Michael's murder is nine times out of ten never mentioned.

I unfortunately don't see Michael's remains being found anytime soon. It would take someone with the dedication of a Philippa Langley for it to happen.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: lilianna on September 13, 2015, 02:58:44 AM
In the video:
1. The Director of the archive shows the edge of the tooth and Alexis.
2. Interview at Livadia in the office of the Emperor Dmitry Romanov.
3. Place Alexei Nikolayevich and Maria Nikolayevna. Distance from the graves of the Royal Family and Botkin - 67 meters to the left.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2663442#


Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 23, 2015, 12:52:02 PM
They will be exhuming: http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-remains-investigation-to-reopen/
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Inok Nikolai on September 23, 2015, 01:16:04 PM
They will be exhuming: http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-remains-investigation-to-reopen/

But there is no need to do it!
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11518.msg542008#msg542008
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: edubs31 on September 23, 2015, 01:21:38 PM
Interesting developments. And the reopening of the criminal case to boot.

What's the best possible result of such a case? The murderers/perpetrators have all been deceased for decades, and you can't bring a lawsuit for damages against the state because neither the Soviet Union nor the Russian Empire exist.

I suppose the best case scenario is that maybe historians will refer to events of July, 1918 as the "murders" they were rather than as "executions".
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 23, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
Apparently the exhumation was already done and samples taken. http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=12343
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Inok Nikolai on September 23, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
They will be exhuming: http://www.theromanovfamily.com/romanov-remains-investigation-to-reopen/

Well, I hope they finally settle this affair.


By the way, not be a stickler, but the title of this thread does not precisely translate the text of the original Russian article.

It should read: "They want to bury the remains of..."

If "remains" was the subject, then the Russian would have to read something like "хотят быть похоронены".
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: TimM on September 23, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
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I suppose the best case scenario is that maybe historians will refer to events of July, 1918 as the "murders" they were rather than as "executions".

Yeah, that's probably what will happen.  Those that did the deed are long dead, forever beyond the reach of human justice. 
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 24, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
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I suppose the best case scenario is that maybe historians will refer to events of July, 1918 as the "murders" they were rather than as "executions".

Yeah, that's probably what will happen.  Those that did the deed are long dead, forever beyond the reach of human justice. 

That's true it won't change anything, although I guess its still the principle of the matter. It's a small victory for the memory of the IF and a mark on the murderers. All their bloody work was done in vain because a hundred years later nobody is congratulating them on their deed and instead are doing the opposite.   

Instead of just letting it be common knowledge among the historians and people who know the truth it will now be official record acknowledged by the government. Perhaps it will also reach some of the general public who thought differently. Some sources even written today still say "executed" and if this makes them start saying "murdered" then it will be worth it.   
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: violetta on September 25, 2015, 12:13:20 PM
It`s so merciless not to let them all in peace....
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 29, 2015, 12:11:42 PM
I have stated several times that I don't think this will ever be "over". The Imperial Family is in Heaven and beyond earthly cares. That the ROC continues to say this case has not been settled says more about themselves than about the Imperial Family.
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: Maria Sisi on September 30, 2015, 10:35:28 AM
The 18th is 2 1/2 weeks way. Is it still going forward? I would be really surprised if it did go through and wasn't delayed

Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on October 19, 2015, 11:43:57 PM
Being as this was yesterday I take it the burial is awaiting tests to be completed early next year?
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: TimM on October 22, 2015, 07:13:24 AM
How many tests do they need to run. 
Title: Re: The remains of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria want to be buried ...
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 28, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
Apparently, more still.