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Title: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: AGRBear on January 22, 2005, 03:22:15 PM
Many of us go to Amazon or Barnes and Nobel and see a list of books about Scotland.  But which ones are the best to buy for a limited budget?

Perhaps some of us could suggest books to read about the subject of the Kings and Queens of Scotland.

My books are rather old so I'm not up to date with the new generation of books, so, this will help me, too.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Elisabeth on January 24, 2005, 03:39:02 PM
I don't know about recent books on kings and queens of Scotland, Bear, but I saw a history of the Douglas family on remainder at Barnes & Noble's the other day. It looked pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 24, 2005, 04:48:06 PM
Although it is also kind of old, I like the one by Jean Plaidy, "The Story of Mary, Queen of Scots: Royal Road to Fotheringhay".  You can get a copy on Amazon fairly cheap.
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: KatieAnn on March 10, 2005, 03:02:53 AM
I'd highly recommend "Mary Queen of Scots" by Antonia Fraser.  I read this years ago, and still dip into it occasionally.  She writes beautifully and really seems to bring Mary alive.  It can be purchased through Amazon.com for $13.57 (brand new), but I see they have used copies available from as little as 60cents.  Don't know what the postage will be - but the book's definitely worth it.
:)
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Martyn on March 11, 2005, 03:53:10 PM
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I'd highly recommend "Mary Queen of Scots" by Antonia Fraser.  I read this years ago, and still dip into it occasionally.  She writes beautifully and really seems to bring Mary alive.  It can be purchased through Amazon.com for $13.57 (brand new), but I see they have used copies available from as little as 60cents.  Don't know what the postage will be - but the book's definitely worth it.
 :)


Yes I have to agree with Katieann about that.  Fraser's book really is seminal and hard to improve upon. I have had my copy for years and reread it every so often.  Very scholarly but certainly not dry.

Helen, Jean Plaidy is a historical novel writer, is she not?  I remember reading her books when I was a teenager and enjoying them immensely.  How accurate historically do you think thay are?  Do you think that she may put her own slant on history in order to render the books more romantic or dramatic - no disrespect but I think that her books were aimed at a female audience when they were published.......?
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 11, 2005, 06:25:29 PM
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Helen, Jean Plaidy is a historical novel writer, is she not?  I remember reading her books when I was a teenager and enjoying them immensely.  How accurate historically do you think thay are?  Do you think that she may put her own slant on history in order to render the books more romantic or dramatic - no disrespect but I think that her books were aimed at a female audience when they were published.......?



Yes, Jean Plaidy is a historical novel writer, from what I have seen so far she is pretty accurate and well researched (her books don't read like romance novels, although the covers sure look like it often!).

The book that I mentioned though - it's not a novel, it is actually a non-fiction biography of Mary QOS...
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Martyn on March 12, 2005, 03:53:21 PM
Really Helen, how interesting......

Your point about the appearance of Jean Plaidy's novels is an apposite one.  At the risk of dating myself horribly, I well remember her books in the shops in the 1970's and the covers were always a reproduction of an image of the subject of the book; this served to render the book a slightly trashy look......

I do recall reading several of her books...'Flaunting, Extravagant Queen' - Marie Antoinette and another that dealt with the uneasy relationship between William of Orange, his wife Mary and her sister Anne after the accessions of the joint monarchs in 1688.......can't recall the title....Oh yes - 'The Road to Compiègne', another that she wrote about Marie Antoinette......

Do you rate her work then Helen?
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 12, 2005, 07:28:31 PM
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Really Helen, how interesting......

Your point about the appearance of Jean Plaidy's novels is an apposite one.  At the risk of dating myself horribly, I well remember her books in the shops in the 1970's and the covers were always a reproduction of an image of the subject of the book; this served to render the book a slightly trashy look......

I do recall reading several of her books...'Flaunting, Extravagant Queen' - Marie Antoinette and another that dealt with the uneasy relationship between William of Orange, his wife Mary and her sister Anne after the accessions of the joint monarchs in 1688.......can't recall the title....Oh yes - 'The Road to Compiègne', another that she wrote about Marie Antoinette......

Do you rate her work then Helen?


Martyn,

I didn't read the books you mentioned, just the ones about Queen Victoria that I picked up completely by accident at a used book store about five or six years ago. I didn't know anything about Jean Plaidy then, never even heard of her, but I kind of wanted to read about QV and figured it may be good to read something in a form of a novel. It was the one called 'Prisoner at Kensington Palace" or something like that. This one didn't have a trashy cover, it had a drawing of QV as young girl, and was about QV's childhood. At the time I didn't know much about QV either, and I read it and liked it, but I didn't know how accurate it was. Then I took out several non-fiction biographies about QV, and this is when I realized how accurately Plaidy seemed to have portrayed V's life. Then I read the rest of the QV series, and they all seemed pretty accurate and not overdramatized at all. Like I said, I don't know about her other series, like Marie Antoinette, and I have seen the covers of some other ones so I know what you mean. But the books I actually read were not trashy at all, and seemed very accurate if you go according to the biographies, as I mentioned. Then I later came across the "Mary Queen of Scots" non-fiction (I think it may be the only non-novel Plaidy wrote and I thought it was pretty good. Perhaps some of her other books are trashy, I don't know because I haven't read them all, but the ones I read were not at all.

Just goes to show we shouldn't judge the book by its cover  ;).
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Martyn on March 13, 2005, 04:13:52 AM
Oh I agree entirely - I have read some trash in my time that had eminently repsectable covers......LOL !

It was most strange to see Jean Plaidy's name come up, almost like a blast from the past.  I used to feel a bit guilty as a teenager, reading her books, as they were not perceived as serious works and very much women's reading (according to my father's draconian perspective anyway....) I had certainly never considered her to be anything other than a historical fiction writer......So thank you Helen for giving me a different perspective on Jean Plaidy.
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 13, 2005, 07:16:53 AM
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 I used to feel a bit guilty as a teenager, reading her books, as they were not perceived as serious works and very much women's reading (according to my father's draconian perspective anyway....)


;D I wonder if your father ever read any of her books so that he could actually be the judge of that... I bet he just looked at the pictures!  ;)

But seriously, I learned a lot from her books and basically they were what made me get interested in Queen Victoria in the first place and start reading her biographies. And now I am very well versed in that subject!. So I don't know if you can get any more serious  :).
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: tea_rose on March 13, 2005, 10:01:24 AM
  I can enter into the Jean Plaidy discussion!  I read many of her books from the library when I was very young. They had brightly colored covers with those pictures you describe.  Recently, I have collected a great many from E-bay and other sites. Some I had read long ago and some I had never read (such as the Marie Antoinette series which weren't published in the U.S. back then).  I still like them very much and endorse them for anyone who wants a generally accurate and compelling fictionalization of royalty. The Mary Queen of Scots books (there are two novels, I believe) are some of the best that she wrote.

 Several of the books have been republished in the U.S. (including "Royal Road to Fotheringay BTW)  They just put out a single volume of the Katherine of Aragon trilogy which I had never read and just received!

You can judge their immense popularity in America by E-bay. They always have bids!  If you live in Great Britain, they seem to be more readily available in used condition and more easily obtained at very cheap prices (from the E-bay auctions I have seen). Unfortunately, the shipping bars me from those auctions-my budget can't take it!
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Martyn on March 14, 2005, 08:04:42 AM
Helen and tea_rose, thank you very much for that information about Jean Plaidy; might just see if I still have some of her books kicking around somewhere ( I have books all over the house and garage...!)  Must admit that I did enjoy the ones that I read at the time.....
Title: Re: Books on Kings and Queens of Scotland
Post by: Kimberly on May 13, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
Just spotted this thread. When i was a lot younger I used to spend my pocket money on Jean Plaidy books. Have you read the Catherine de Medici trilogy.... super. A bit off topic now but how about Anya Seton's "Katherine", made me fall in love with John of Gaunt.
Title: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 17, 2005, 10:21:30 AM
Let's discuss films and TV programmes about the Stuarts too!

Starting with books, here are some I've read, with my opinion on them:

Ungrateful Daughters: The Stuart Princesses who stole their father's crown: This is a book about Mary II, Anne and the Glorious Revolution by Maureen Waller. It's an OK book. However, Waller's habit of not even modernising the language and spelling the the letters is very irritating, and makes them hard to read. Some good character points are brought up, but a bit too much time is spent on James II, IMO.

The Stuart Princesses, by Alison Plowden. This details the lives of the Winter Queen, Mary, Princess Royal, Princess Elizabeth, Princess Minette, Mary II and Queen Anne. It is a wonderful book, I think - easy to read and superbly detailed.

Mary, Queen of Scotland and the Isles, by Margaret George. This is an historical novel. Though not as good as the Henry VIII one by the same author, it is well worth a read, though occassionally too graphic, in fact needlessly so, IMO.

Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens, by Jane Dunn. I'm sure some people will disagree with me on this, but I found this book dull, directionless and hard to read.

Charles I's Children. I can't remember who wrote it, but it was a good little book.

That's my tuppence about books. I wonder, if anyone has read the following, could they please tell me what they thought of them?

Charles II, by Antonia Fraser.
William and Mary, by John van der Kiste.
Henrietta Maria, Charles I's Indomitable Queen, by Alison Plowden.

As for TV programmes . . .
Charles II: the Power and the Passion. A BBC drama fairly recently, I LOVE this. I saw it on TV and bought it on DVD as soon as I could. Wonderful costumes, wonderful actors, wonderful scenes. I highly reccommend it.

Gunpowder, Treason and Plot. 2004 drama. This centred around two episodes - one about Mary, Queen of Scots, and the other about her son James and the Gunpowder Plot. It was . . . Ok, IMO. Clemence Posey, who played Mary, was good. But she was a blond! At least they had Mary speak with a French accent, which was good. Robert Carlyle was OK as James, but seemed a little too . . .  physchotic, which was odd.

Please post thoughts and opinions!
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 17, 2005, 11:13:14 AM
1) The Jane Dunn book graces my bookshelf and I have picked it up several times...to dust it, it is sooo dull.
2) Mary Q of S and the Isles, I really enjoyed ( she has written a good book about Cleopatra as well ;) ;))
3) IMO the seminal biog on Mary is by Antonia Fraser excellent.
4) Another good, fictional novel is one called the Queen Honeypot or The Queen and the Honeypot- cannot remember the author but good.
5) I liked Gunpowder, Treason and Plot and Damian didn't fall asleep in front of it like he usually does.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: bell_the_cat on September 17, 2005, 11:30:08 AM
My favourite book on the Stuarts is a bit out of date. It's "Tales of a Grandfather" by Sir Walter Scott. It's great and covers the years 1033 -1788!

Other Stuarts occur in novels by Sir Walter:

Robert III and the Duke of Rothesay in "The Fair Maid of Perth"
James IV in "Marmion"
James V in "The Lady of the Lake"
Mary Queen of Scots in "The Abbot"
James VI/I in "The Fortunes of Nigel"
Charles II in "Woodstock"
The Duke of Monmouth in "Old Mortality"
Prince Charles Edward Stuart in "Waverley" and "Redgauntlet"




Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 18, 2005, 03:20:25 PM
I think Dulcie M Ashdown wrote a very good biog on Charles Ist children. It was extemely poignant- especially when she wrote about the deaths of Elizabeth and Henry.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 18, 2005, 03:59:05 PM
Really Kim? This is another I must try to find!!  :D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 18, 2005, 04:18:08 PM
Hmm . . . I've been looking at Dulcie Ashdown books. Is this one called Royal Children?
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 19, 2005, 04:52:06 PM
I can't remember....I am getting old you know ;D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 19, 2005, 04:53:42 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Should I take the plunge and buy 'Royal Children' anyway, hoping it is the one you mean? ;)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 20, 2005, 01:58:37 AM
Well how rich are you ;D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 20, 2005, 02:21:57 AM
OK I couldn't find it on Amazon (although I was rather taken by the musical potty they are advertising that plays a royal fanfare whenever there is a "production" ;D).That is definately the book Prince. I have "googled" Dulcie m Ashdown author- and found a copy for £9 it is a good read, as is her "Ladies in Waiting"
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 20, 2005, 10:38:09 AM
Thanks Kim. I will buy it then. I'm thinking of investing in her Tudor Cousins too . . .  ::) Still, that's o/t.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on September 20, 2005, 10:51:39 AM
She has written a good one on the Princess Royals throughout the ages too. Actually, she is very readable ;) As is Alison Plowden
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 20, 2005, 10:54:25 AM
You're right about Plowden. Anyone who is interested in the Stuarts MUST buy Plowden's 'The Stuart Princesses' - I insist!!! I even wrote a review of it on amazon.co.uk for you!! Buy it now!!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: palatine on October 02, 2005, 10:59:07 AM
Sorry, I missed this before.   :)

Here is a slightly edited repost of my book recommendations:

“Arbella: England’s Lost Queen” by Sarah Gristwood - a book about one of the unluckiest of the unlucky Stuarts.

"Henrietta Maria" and "The Winter Queen" by Carola Oman

“Dynasty: The Stuarts” by John MacLeod

“Royal Survivor” by Stephen Coote

“Bourbon and Stuart” by John Miller

“Ungrateful Daughters” by Maureen Waller  

“The Weaker Vessel” and “Royal Charles” by Lady Antonia Fraser  

"The Weaker Vessel" is a must-read in order to understand how women lived in seventeenth century England.  

"Royal Charles" is good, particularly if you are just learning about the Stuarts.  However, I don't agree with all of Fraser's conclusions, and I caught some troubling errors in her book.  

In my opinion, Fraser's books are worth reading, especially since they can usually be found at the library.  

“The Royal Whore” by Allen Andrews – this book is about Charles II’s mistress, Lady Castlemaine; don’t let the title scare you off, it is an excellent book.

The Memoirs of John Evelyn

"Who's Who in Stuart Britain 1603-1714" by C.P. Hill

Books about Samuel Pepys often contain interesting information about the era.  I loathe Pepys with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns because I believe he was a sexual predator, but many people enjoy his Diary and various biographies about this corrupt government official.
 
I think the movie Prince Lieven recommended above, "Charles II: The Power and the Passion" was excellent.  It was shown on A&E last year, but I believe it was originally a BBC production.  I think it was alternatively titled "The Last King."  




Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 03, 2005, 02:26:28 PM
Ooh, I'm glad to find another admirer of Charles II: the Power and the Passion, palatine.  :)

BTW, did anyone else find Gristwoods Arbella just a little drab and totally dominated by the (IMO) very uninteresting Bess of Hardwick?
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on October 04, 2005, 02:33:00 AM
Yes, Antonia Fraser's "The Weaker Vessel" is an excellent read. I don't know much about Pepys, Palatine, how was he a sexual predator? Is there enough interesting info about him to start a new topic? Cheers Kim.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: palatine on November 04, 2005, 08:26:49 PM
Margaret Irwin's novels came up on the French royals page, and I thought I would recommend them here as well.  They are a little dated - they were originally published in the 1930's- but they are well worth tracking down.

"The Stranger Prince" is about Prince Rupert.  

"The Bride" is about Louise Princess Palatine and the Marquis of Montrose.

"Royal Flush" is about Minette, the daughter of Charles I and Henrietta Maria.

Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on November 10, 2005, 09:10:54 AM
I just mentioned Alison Weir's book "Mary Queen of Scots and the Murder of Lord Darnley" on another thread. It  came out about a year or so ago and is excellent.

As for movies, I  always liked John Ford's "Mary of Scotland" starring Katherine Hepburn. It is terribly inaccurate but entertaining, although Katherine Hepburn could not disappear into a character the same way Bette Davis could.

I really enjoyed "THe Last King" about Charles II, the recent BBC production. What a truly GREAT monarch he could have been if he had not been such a sex addict. That final scene when he walks into Parliament in his full royal regalia is magnificent. At that moment he was truly the Anointed of the Lord, in the temporal order.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 10, 2005, 11:44:24 AM
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I really enjoyed "THe Last King" about Charles II, the recent BBC production. What a truly GREAT monarch he could have been if he had not been such a sex addict. That final scene when he walks into Parliament in his full royal regalia is magnificent. At that moment he was truly the Anointed of the Lord, in the temporal order.


I agree Elena Maria! Except over here it was 'Charles II: the Power and the Passion', but yes, I love that parliament scene, wonderfully done - and I think he was a great monarch in spite of all the sex.
:)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on November 10, 2005, 12:16:37 PM
I agree; Charles was a great king; I think he had been traumatized by his father's death.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 10, 2005, 12:19:30 PM
He certainly handled parliament better than his father! Rufus Sewell played him to perfection - Diana Rigg was wonderful as Henrietta Maria too, except for the English accent - still, better that than a bad French one I guess.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on November 10, 2005, 03:10:20 PM
I agree, I thought everybody in it was good, especially Rufus Sewell, and the actress who played Queen Catherine of Braganza.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on November 11, 2005, 09:11:11 AM
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From the BBC website:

Wee Scottish powerhouse Shirley Henderson has to be one of the hardest working women in British drama, with many big roles to her name. She's appeared in high profile TV roles like Kate in The Taming of the Shrew and Catherine of Braganza in Charles II: The Power and the Passion, and has an extensive film background.

 ;D


I have seen her in a lot of films; she is an excellent character actress and as cute as can be.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: palatine on December 28, 2005, 01:23:42 PM
The Memoirs of the Comte de Grammont provide an entertaining look at the Court of Charles II.  They are available online at a few different sites.

The Memoirs were ghostwritten by Grammont's brother-in-law, Anthony Hamilton, who was one of the Jacobite exiles at Saint-Germain after 1688.  Grammont and Hamilton began working on the Memoirs in 1704.  After Grammont died a few years later, Hamilton continued working on them, and they were finally published in 1713.

The Memoirs horrified Mary of Modena, who had used propaganda since her husband's death to present him as almost a saint, a martyr for his faith.  Grammont's memoirs went into detail about James's mistresses, along with the love affairs of other members of Charles II's court.  While it could not have been Hamilton's intent, the Memoirs hurt the Jacobite cause by reminding its readers of all of the expensive illegitimate children and scandalous goings-on at the Stuart Court.

While the accuracy of the Grammont memoirs is somewhat questionable, its a great read.  
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 06, 2006, 04:26:17 PM
The Lymond Chronicles by Dorothy Dunnett.

Anyone read these books, or even heard of them? Apparently Lady Lennox and Marie de Guise appear as characters.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 07, 2006, 09:12:21 AM
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The Lymond Chronicles by Dorothy Dunnett.

Anyone read these books, or even heard of them? Apparently Lady Lennox and Marie de Guise appear as characters.


They sound quite a good read - and well researched. Dunnett also wrote a book about Macbeth in which she argued that he had been confused with someone else! According to Dunnett Macbeth's wife Gruoch and Malcolm III's first wife Ingeborg were one and the same person! I think the book is called "King hereafter" or something like that.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Rebecca on January 07, 2006, 01:54:44 PM
It's probably not availabe in English, but anyway, I read Maria Stuart. Drottning utan krona (which means "Mary Stuart. Queen without a crown") by Richard Herrmann a few years ago, and I thought it was good, maybe a little short. The author is Norwegian and the original title is Maria Stuart og hennes verden. If it by any chance is translated into English I would recommend it.  :)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Lorelei_Lee on January 20, 2006, 11:21:02 AM
I love The Lymond Chronicles to death, and while I think that Dorothy Dunnett did a great deal of research, I also believe she took some liberties with the facts for plot reasons.  Basically, she needed a highly-placed scheming villainess, and poor Lady Margaret Douglas was her pick.  She comes off very badly indeed!  Marie de Guise is a minor character in the books; her daughter figures a bit more prominently, though the books end when she's only 16, at the time of her first marriage.  

As I said in the Lady Margaret Douglas thread, I put the Lymond Chronicles more in the category of costume drama than historical fiction.  In spirit they are much closer to, say, The Three Musketeers than Anya Seton's Katherine.   A great read, though.  

I'm almost embarrassed to mention Forever Amber in this thread ... but I think Kathleen Windsor did a nice job of portraying Charles II and his milieu.  The focus is entirely on his love life as opposed to his policies, but it's a fun read and I don't recall any glaring inaccuracies in it.  
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: elena_maria_vidal on January 20, 2006, 01:18:02 PM
I really enjoyed "Forever Amber," the movie and the book.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 24, 2006, 09:36:18 AM
I'm currently reading a novel called 'The King's Touch', by Jude Morgan. It's basically about Charles II and his court told in the first person by Monmouth. I'm really, really enjoying it at the moment - Charles II, Lucy Walter, Henrietta Maria and Lady Castlemaine emerge as vibrant, interesting characters, and I'm only half way through! ;)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: palatine on March 10, 2006, 02:24:56 PM
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From the BBC website:

Wee Scottish powerhouse Shirley Henderson has to be one of the hardest working women in British drama, with many big roles to her name. She's appeared in high profile TV roles like Kate in The Taming of the Shrew and Catherine of Braganza in Charles II: The Power and the Passion, and has an extensive film background.


Shirley Henderson played Moaning Myrtle in the Harry Potter movies, and she plays one of Louis XVI's aunts in the upcoming movie about Marie Antoinette.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: bell_the_cat on March 13, 2006, 04:42:32 AM
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Shirley Henderson played Moaning Myrtle in the Harry Potter movies, and she plays one of Louis XVI's aunts in the upcoming movie about Marie Antoinette.


I loved this Moaning Myrtle character in the Harry Potter books - especially when Harry, Hermione and Ron felt obliged to invite them to their party as they felt sorry for the fact that she was such a social failure - this reminded me so much of student parties!

I'm curious to know which of Louis' aunts she has been cast as in the film. I wonder whether they took the trouble to differentiate between the characters of the aunts.

(I've just looked it up  - she's Mme Sophie. So it's just a retake of Moaning Myrtle!)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 14, 2006, 05:55:53 PM
Oooh Charles II: The Power and the Passion...required watching. I was hooked! And it was kind of intellectual at the same time as I was doing A level history on the Stuarts when it was broadcast.  Learning while being entertained...who would have thunk it? I got an A, so it must have worked!

And that Rufus Sewell...if Charles II looked anything like him, I'm not surprised he had so many mistresses.  Phwoar!

Anyway, talking about mistresses, I have a book my dad got me for Christmas a couple of years ago called 'All the King's women' by Derek Wilson.  I can't say I've read all of it, but I did start it, and it was good as far as I got.  Might have to finish that one day...and I have the Antonia Fraser bio of Charles II too and that's really good.  Lots of info.

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kimberly on March 15, 2006, 03:24:38 AM
Rachel you have given me my first giggle of the day....Rufus Sewell....double phwoarr ;D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 15, 2006, 03:31:54 AM
Hehehe! Kimberly, so true!!! Quadruple phwoar for me!!! ;D

My friend and I used to sit in history (at the back of the class, of course) and swap notes about The Power and The Passion and drool over Rufus.  I swear, those eyes...I could drown in them!!!

I really should put the DVD down on my birthday list.  I'm single at the moment so a bit of Rufus would go down nicely (and I wonder why??) ;)

Rachel
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Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 15, 2006, 12:53:10 PM
Yes, I loved the Power and the Passion (though Rufus didn't do anything for me - Monmouth is much better looking ;D) and I'm almost finished the Fraser bio of Charles, great stuff.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Modena on March 21, 2006, 07:34:51 AM
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Oooh Charles II: The Power and the Passion...required watching. I was hooked! And it was kind of intellectual at the same time as I was doing A level history on the Stuarts when it was broadcast.  Learning while being entertained...who would have thunk it? I got an A, so it must have worked!

And that Rufus Sewell...if Charles II looked anything like him, I'm not surprised he had so many mistresses.  Phwoar!

Anyway, talking about mistresses, I have a book my dad got me for Christmas a couple of years ago called 'All the King's women' by Derek Wilson.  I can't say I've read all of it, but I did start it, and it was good as far as I got.  Might have to finish that one day...and I have the Antonia Fraser bio of Charles II too and that's really good.  Lots of info.

Rachel
xx


As good as the Power and the Passion was, it was at times historically inaccurate.  :(  For instance, Prince Henry was long dead before Catherine of Braganza came on the scene.
I was looking at Derek Wilson's book just last night. The Antonia Fraser bio of Charles II is THE definitive book of Charles. A must read.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Modena on March 21, 2006, 07:37:41 AM
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Yes, I loved the Power and the Passion (though Rufus didn't do anything for me - Monmouth is much better looking ;D) and I'm almost finished the Fraser bio of Charles, great stuff.


Rufus was great in it, though. I found Lady Castlemaine ANNOYING and I found the actress playing Nell Gywnn rather more like a snotty brat than a woman of any wit.

Fraser is writing a book about King Louis XIV and his loves to be out in October of this year. Cannot wait to get that! :)
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Modena on March 21, 2006, 07:44:55 AM
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I agree Elena Maria! Except over here it was 'Charles II: the Power and the Passion', but yes, I love that parliament scene, wonderfully done - and I think he was a great monarch in spite of all the sex.
 :)


Great monarch? I like him as much as the next person, but he was a lazy monarch.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 21, 2006, 10:07:41 AM
You'll have to agree to disagree with me (and Fraser).  ;D
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: bell_the_cat on March 22, 2006, 01:20:19 AM
Surely he was great because of what he didn't do rather than for what he did.

He was a "bit" lazy, but he was able to turn this to his advantage - if there was a crisis on, he would tend to just sit it out!
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: palatine on May 17, 2006, 08:24:29 PM
“Court Lady and Country Wife” by Lita-Rose Betcherman is a biography of Dorothy, Countess of Leicester and Lucy, Countess of Carlisle, who were sisters as well as opposites.  If you’re interested in the lives of Stuart noblewomen during the reign of the first King Charles, particularly the life of Lucy, who was a major political figure of the era, you should definitely read this book.

Title: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Taren on September 28, 2006, 02:43:34 AM
According to Yahoo, http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060928/en_nm/scarlett_dc;_ylt=AmhV_fcWYkgGlmNOIeCq.85xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060928/en_nm/scarlett_dc;_ylt=AmhV_fcWYkgGlmNOIeCq.85xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)Johansson is to play Mary, in a film chronicling the antagonistic relationship with the Scottish queen and Elizabeth I, who tried to "undermine her rule". She's also set to play Mary Boleyn in The Other Boleyn Girl. Myself, I don't see it (probably because I don't like Scarlet)....
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: ilyala on September 28, 2006, 03:09:24 AM
i see her more as mary boleyn (who was more of the easy kind of person) then as mary queen of scots (who was actually intelligent)...
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Kimberly on September 28, 2006, 03:18:20 AM
Oh gawd. They always seem to roll out the same old starlets for these roles. Thank goodness it isn't Keira "Poutly" Knightly, but maybe she doesn't "do" intelligent ;D
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 28, 2006, 10:26:02 AM
Why do they get blonds to play Mary? She was a brunette. Maybe blond is more marketable or something.  :P
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Kimberly on September 28, 2006, 10:53:35 AM
Yes, sounds like Ms. Johansssson might be nipping down to her local chemist for some hair-dye ;D
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Penny_Wilson on September 28, 2006, 03:39:25 PM
Some photos of ScarJo and Natalie Portman on this set in partial costume.  It doesn't look like dye plays much of a part in Scarlet's plan -- she does look slightly darker, though.

http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/natalie-portman/natalie-portman-and-scarlett-johansson-together-at-last-at-last-001710

Courtesy of www.dlisted.com

~Penny
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Kimberly on September 28, 2006, 03:53:55 PM
I have discovered that laydees (and gents) of a...ahem certain age can get cheap tickets at the local cinema, I don't quite qualify for that just yet but I might pop down and catch a matinee showing of this movie. Somebody remind me, who is playing the part of Henry?
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: jehan on September 29, 2006, 12:34:22 AM
i see her more as mary boleyn (who was more of the easy kind of person) then as mary queen of scots (who was actually intelligent)...

Scarlet may be a little smarter than you give her credit for.  After all she turned down Tom Cruise, before he hooked up with Katie.  ;)
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: nerdycool on September 29, 2006, 05:06:49 PM
Somebody remind me, who is playing the part of Henry?
Eric Bana
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: imperial angel on October 03, 2006, 12:14:20 PM
I like Scarlet's movies, but I am not sure she would make a good Queen of Scots.I think she is a bit more intelligent than your average Hollywood actress. I have read her interviews and one in Elle from either late last year or early this year confirms what I say about her intelligence.I can't see her playing Mary Stuart though, she looks too modern, or retro Hollywood. She just isn't her... ;)
Title: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 03, 2006, 02:15:01 PM
I came upon a book called 'Immortal Queen' by Elizabeth Byrd at a library completely by accident. It is a historical novel about Mary Stuart, starting from her arrival in France as a child and ending with her execution. It is extremely well written and accurate, as far as I can tell. It reads like a very good novel and draws you in to a point where you don't want to put it down - even though you know what's going to happen. It gives great insights into Mary's life and personality. It actually made me feel somewhat sympathetic towards Mary (which I didn't prior to reading this book) - at least it made me sort of understand where she was coming from and why she did the things she did. IMO, although it was written 50+ years ago, this is one of the best books, fiction or non-fiction, I ever read about Mary Queen of Scots! Definitely two thumbs up  ;)   
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Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 03, 2006, 02:23:08 PM
OMG Helen I love Elizabeth Byrd. Can I also recommend "Flowers of the Forest". It paints a wonderful portrait of Edinburgh in the 16th century with a unputdownable tale as well. (set in the time of James IV)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 03, 2006, 02:32:20 PM
Are all her books about Scotland or some are about Britain? She is a wonderful writer!

Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 03, 2006, 02:42:31 PM
I have only ever read Immortal Queen and Flowers of the Forest and that was many years ago. I am about to order them from Amazon. I'd forgotten about her and now I cannot wait to re-read them. I'm sure she has written more. I'm sure we can think of another authoress who could take a few leaves out of Ms. Byrd's books. ;)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 03, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
I'm sure we can think of another authoress who could take a few leaves out of Ms. Byrd's books. ;)

Yeah, I wonder who  ;).


I just checked on Amazon, and here are other books by Byrd - there are quite a few!

Maid of Honour: A Novel Set in the Court of Mary Queen of Scots. Customer review: This novel is an odd companion piece to "Immortal Queen," Byrd's brilliant 1956 novel about Mary Queen of Scots. I say "odd" because it is a virtual retelling of "Queen," except while the earlier novel was told from Mary's viewpoint, "Maid" is "told" by Mary Seton, one of the Queen's maids-of honor.There are obvious disadvantages to this method of telling Mary's story, namely, that everything of interest in the novel is related to the reader by second-hand. We are "shown" only a surface glimpse of Mary's life, and to try and compensate, Byrd throws in a throughly pointless subplot concerning Seton's (completely fictitious) love for a priest. If Byrd found it so impossible to leave the subject of Mary alone, she would have been better advised to have used a more satisfying method of retelling the story. That said, however, while this is no "Immortal Queen," "Maid of Honour" is still far superior to the usual examples of Marian fiction, which, (with a few exceptions) tend to range from mediocre to godawful.

Long Enchantment.  No reviews available.

 Ghosts in My Life.  No reviews available.

Rest without peace. No reviews available.

It Had to Be You: A Novel.    No reviews available.

I'll Get By.  Editorial review: A 15-year-old girl goes to private school in Manhattan in 1928 and wishes her traveling father spent more time at home.

Lady of Monkton.  No reviews available.

The diamond. No reviews available.

A strange and seeing time. No reviews available.

The Search for Maggie Hare. No reviews available.

The famished land: A novel of the Irish potato famine. No reviews available.



Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 03, 2006, 03:18:14 PM
Good lord talk about "flashback". Maid of Honor is superb...and really tragic. Her description of the death of Rizzio is heart rending, and the bit where one of the Maries (Seton, I think,) trips over the grave of her erstwhile priest lover..... you need chocs, wine and a hankie. Even though these stories are romanticised, they are beautifully written.
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 03, 2006, 03:19:58 PM
I'll take the chocs and the hankey, you can keep the wine.  ;D

Thanks for the recommendations. The one about the potato famine could be interesting.  :)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 03, 2006, 03:28:50 PM
Chocs, hanky and poteen then  ;D (Irish joke)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 03, 2006, 06:58:15 PM
Unfortunately my library only has The Immortal Queen and The Famished Land :(. I may have to bite the bullet and purchase some of the others from Amazon!  ;D


Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 04, 2006, 01:49:22 AM
Heh, I just bought Flowers of the Forest for 1penny (and ImmortalQueen for a fiver)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 04, 2006, 07:22:53 AM
Unfortunately my library only has The Immortal Queen and The Famished Land :(. I may have to bite the bullet and purchase some of the others from Amazon!  ;D

Awesome! I will take a look.

Isn't it incredible that an excellent author like Byrd is not very popular with the masses (hence her books sell for a penny), while Ms. P. Gregory - who basically sucks, to put it bluntly - is tremendously popular and acclaimed?  >:( What a sad taste the masses have....

Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kristina on October 05, 2006, 04:32:02 PM
This has brought back memories!  I spent school prize money on "Immortal Queen" in the late 1970's and loved every page.  I've just checked my bookshelves - and its still there!  Will have to reread...
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 05, 2006, 04:36:33 PM
My copy of Immortal Queen arrived today.
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 05, 2006, 05:42:13 PM
My copy of Immortal Queen arrived today.

Awesome! Let us know if you like it the second time around as much as the first ;).

Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 07, 2006, 12:55:47 PM
What I find interesting about this book, are some new (at least to me) perspectives, which are neither strongly pro- or strongly anti- Queen of Scots, but a seemingly realistic look at what may have really happened and the reasons behind it. For a change Bothwell is portrayed as a more sympathetic and noble character. I am so used to seeing him presented in a really negative light, almost a caricature/cartoonish "villain",  so it surprised me to see Byrd's interpretation of him, which IMO is quite realistic and is probably a lot closer to the real Bothwell.  After all, there had to be a better explaination of Mary's loyalty and endearment towards him, and there had to be more compelling reasons why she married him against all logic (besides the alleged "rape" -which I  never really bought into). As far as Mary herself, in this book she is not always a sympathetic character, but is presented as neither a villain nor a saint - as some pro- or anti- Mary biographers have done - but a human being with faults as well as virtues. At least this author's interpretation sheds some light on the possible/probable motivations for Mary's actions, which are often difficult to understand. 


Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 08, 2006, 02:30:34 AM
I am only on page 35 so far, which is very slow going for me (well, I was sat in the local casualty department  for 6 hours yesterday with my son who had broken his leg and I forgot to take my book with me >:() She is very good at "comparing and contrasting" isn't she. The beauty of the French court with its princesses dressed in vibrantly coloured silks and the dour dankness of Scotland with its mercilous border raids by the English. I agree with you on the portrayal of Bothwell, there is a very real love here and when I first read it many years ago, it definately coloured my feelings toward him.
Her novel "The Flowers of the Forest" is a shorter book but nevertheless, a definate "must read". In this one she compares the life of "Bess" - a country girl who moves to Edinburgh to find fame and fortune and ends up selling herself on the streets- to that of Margaret Tudor who travels to Scotland to marry King James. She writes so well and brings the characters and the times they lived in to life and it is hard to decide which one of these women had the most tragic life......excellent stuff ;).
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: ilyala on October 09, 2006, 02:27:34 AM
i see her more as mary boleyn (who was more of the easy kind of person) then as mary queen of scots (who was actually intelligent)...

Scarlet may be a little smarter than you give her credit for.  After all she turned down Tom Cruise, before he hooked up with Katie.  ;)

she as a person might be intelligent, however, she kind of gives me the impression of an airhead. kinda fits my image of mary boleyn - up for fun, acting before she's thinking 'ah, the king wants to sleep with me, so cool...'.  i don't know scarlet and can't judge her as a person, i am just talking about an image.
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: imperial angel on October 09, 2006, 12:01:32 PM
Yes, she has that ''old Hollywood'' image. It has more to do with being blonde than intelligent. Marilyn Monroe fell victim to that image. I think if you read that Elle interview, you come away with a better sense of her though.
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Modena1 on October 09, 2006, 07:50:52 PM
Oh gawd. They always seem to roll out the same old starlets for these roles. Thank goodness it isn't Keira "Poutly" Knightly, but maybe she doesn't "do" intelligent ;D


I agree, these actresses look way too modern.

What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: ilyala on October 10, 2006, 02:48:20 AM
unfortunatly it's the whole typically hollywood idea: if the actors look good they've got screaming fans who will come see the movie and like it for the simple reason that the actor is in it :). it will sell and who gives a damn about the acting performance and critical opinion?

i myself prefer european movies
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 10, 2006, 09:21:22 AM
What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(

I am actually thinking that Scarlett J would have been better cast as Marie Antoinette, but of course that's not saying all that much  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: imperial angel on October 10, 2006, 12:14:21 PM
Perhaps she would have been. Truthfully, English acting is often better than American acting in movies. ;)
Title: Re: Scarlet Johansson to play Mary, Queen of Scots
Post by: ilyala on October 11, 2006, 01:26:12 AM
What are casting directors thinking, wasn't Kirsten Dunst's widely panned turn as Marie Antoinette warning enough?  ::) :(

I am actually thinking that Scarlett J would have been better cast as Marie Antoinette, but of course that's not saying all that much  :P  ;)

now that you mentioned it you're right  :)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 23, 2006, 08:25:54 AM
I just finished reading "Flowers of the Forest" and LOVED it! She is such a great writer, and yet virtually an unknown.... I just don't understand the mass audience who want to read the likes of Phillippa Gregory, when there are writers like Elizabeth Byrd out there!  >:(  :-X
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on October 23, 2006, 09:53:47 AM
Snap, I just finished reading Flowers of the Forest too ;D Do try and get hold of "Maid of Honour", it is just as good.
She brings everything alive doesn't she, so much so, you can almost smell the unwashed bodies (royalty and commoner alike) and the little details like a ring of honey on the table at a great banquet...... to attract the lice away from the diners :-X
By the way Helen, on BBC radio 4 yesterday, there was a discussion about Jean Plaidy and the enduring popularity of her novels. And the chief speaker was none other than....Philippa Gregory. :o According to Ms. G, Jean Plaidy took her sources (Mattingly et al) literally whereas Gregory looks at the sources and then adds a little bit of "spice" to captivate her readers.
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 24, 2006, 07:47:53 AM
By the way Helen, on BBC radio 4 yesterday, there was a discussion about Jean Plaidy and the enduring popularity of her novels. And the chief speaker was none other than....Philippa Gregory. :o According to Ms. G, Jean Plaidy took her sources (Mattingly et al) literally whereas Gregory looks at the sources and then adds a little bit of "spice" to captivate her readers.

I find it so hard to believe that Plaidy and Gregory use the same sources for their work... This makes it even worse -  so Gregory actually knows what really happened and changes it deliberately in order to make it more juicy and soap operish - so that she can sell books of course... She obviously doesn't care about history. One thing you have to give Ms. Gregory I suppose - she certainly has a very active imagination, which she would have been better off using for writing romance novels instead of "historical" fiction. She would have still been able to sell her books without misleading people into thinking they are learning about history. 




Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 16, 2006, 10:01:47 AM
BTW, Kim, I am reading the Maid Of Honour now and it's pretty good, although not as good as The Immortal Queen. The Father Black angle is a little weird, was there such as man or is he completely made up?
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Kimberly on November 16, 2006, 04:22:07 PM
I honestly don't know Helen, does it say in the preface ???
Anyhoo, when you have finished that one, have you tried "The Autobiography of Henry VIII" by Margaret George. Its wonderful. ;)
Title: Re: "Immortal Queen" by Elizabeth Byrd
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 17, 2006, 10:35:12 AM
I honestly don't know Helen, does it say in the preface ???

There is no preface in the copy I am reading... My guess is, there was no such animal. If you remember, Father Black was killed along with Rizzio, and he was the love interest of Mary Seton - the main character of the book.

... have you tried "The Autobiography of Henry VIII" by Margaret George. Its wonderful. ;)

Yes, I read it, and I agree, it is very good! I like Margaret George too.
Title: Strange Mary Stuart fiction
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 21, 2006, 04:30:23 PM
I have come across a very strange book - a "reincarnation" fiction about Mary Stuart called 'The Shadow Queen'. Has anyone read it?  It's actually really bad, but I am still reading it, out of curiosity. At least it doesn't claim to be anything but fiction  ;).

Here is the editorial review:

A reincarnated queen gets a taste of 20th-century crime in Gibbs's ( Dead Run ) intrinsically flawed mystery. In a gimmick that has no apparent bearing on the plot, teenager Marie Stuart McIntyre is the "hostess" for the soul of Mary Queen of Scots. For years Marie's mother, Flora, has force-fed her books about English history. (This device, too, seems unnecessary, as the queen within Marie, speaking in antique idioms, frquently delivers orations on the House of Stuart.) Flora, preparing Marie to fulfill her destiny, contacts the author of one of those books, Patrick Sarsfield, claiming to possess the so-called Casket Letters, previously presumed to have been forgeries but which, if true, would alter British history. Sarsfield's publisher hires a graphologist to appraise the epistles. Covert agents of the Irish Republican Army and the House of Windsor are involved, however, and the agenda here runs to thefts, betrayals, challenges to the British throne, kidnapping and a murder. But the pointlessness of Marie's possession precludes any narrative tension.

Actually, it sounds like it would fit right into some of the "conspiracy" discussions here on this forum  ;)

Title: Re: Strange Mary Stuart fiction
Post by: bell_the_cat on November 21, 2006, 06:32:21 PM
Surely predicting the end of the House of Windsor.....and a Bourbon restoration! ;D
Title: Re: Strange Mary Stuart fiction
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 22, 2006, 10:37:07 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;DOoh, Mary Queen of Scots meets the IRA, with the Windsors throne in - it'll be on TV within the year.
Title: Re: Strange Mary Stuart fiction
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 25, 2006, 01:10:54 PM
;D ;D ;D ;DOoh, Mary Queen of Scots meets the IRA, with the Windsors throne in - it'll be on TV within the year.

Please don't say that!!!  :o ;D


Title: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 08, 2007, 03:30:22 PM
Can anyone recommend got biographies on any of the following?

1. Queen Mary II

2. Queen Anne

3. Queen Mary Beatrice of Modena

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 12, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
I have read that one biography of William and Mary together, it is pretty good. Then, there is one of only Mary, it is kind of boring, but not awful. I once read a biography of Anne, but it wasn't very good, it just went through all the stuff I already know, not in a very original way, either. I can't remember the title of that one. I am not even sure if there are any biographies of Mary of Modena, I wish there were though.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Kimberly on January 12, 2007, 11:14:59 AM
Hi there Imperial Angel. Can you remember the titles and/or authors of these books?
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 12, 2007, 11:23:35 AM
I have read that one biography of William and Mary together, it is pretty good. Then, there is one of only Mary, it is kind of boring, but not awful. I once read a biography of Anne, but it wasn't very good, it just went through all the stuff I already know, not in a very original way, either. I can't remember the title of that one. I am not even sure if there are any biographies of Mary of Modena, I wish there were though.

Perhaps the one bio of William and Mary was van der Kiste's one. I have it but didn't get too far into it, finding it extremely dull.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 12, 2007, 12:52:30 PM
Hi there Imperial Angel. Can you remember the titles and/or authors of these books?

Well, not the Queen Anne one. It was older. I looked up the other two, because I could not remember if off the top of my head, are William's Mary, by Elizabeth, Lady Hamilton, and William and Mary by Henri and Barbara Van der Zee. If you know of those, tell me what you think.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Kimberly on January 12, 2007, 01:05:37 PM
Thank you for that ;)
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 15, 2007, 05:23:25 PM
I'm still waiting for a good biography of these people. By a good biography I would want to understand what they were really like (as if I knew them), but also to understand what the politics of the time were and also the international perspective. I can imagine a biography of Mary II which fulfilled these criteria wpould be fascinating, but instead, we get bits and pieces tacked on to William which are really quite boring and unilluminating.

Also Anne. I've never read anything which adequately explains her relationhip to Sarah Churchill, her attitude to her husband or her brother or her father. These are quite complicated and shifting relationships which can only be analysed in the context of the constantly changing international scene.

Finally William. I think much more needs to be said about his Dutch background - and also of his relationships with Keppel and Bentinck. I think he is quite a pivotal and underestimated figure in British history!

 :o
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 16, 2007, 11:43:23 AM
I agree, Stuart Biography leaves much to be desired. Another problem is so much of that stuff seems to be older, and not very modern. It is also hard to find. I thought of the three books I listed ( I know I have read more), the one about William and Mary was pretty good, and I guess that is the only one I would really recommend, if it came down to it. It is really long, and there is much about William and boring battles, but I feel it made me understand Mary's personality and couples marriage much better. But, it is an older book.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 16, 2007, 05:11:54 PM
I'm still waiting for a good biography of these people. By a good biography I would want to understand what they were really like (as if I knew them), but also to understand what the politics of the time were and also the international perspective. I can imagine a biography of Mary II which fulfilled these criteria wpould be fascinating, but instead, we get bits and pieces tacked on to William which are really quite boring and unilluminating.

Also Anne. I've never read anything which adequately explains her relationhip to Sarah Churchill, her attitude to her husband or her brother or her father. These are quite complicated and shifting relationships which can only be analysed in the context of the constantly changing international scene.

Finally William. I think much more needs to be said about his Dutch background - and also of his relationships with Keppel and Bentinck. I think he is quite a pivotal and underestimated figure in British history!

 :o

I agree, it's really a shame! Maureen Waller's 'Ungrateful Daughters' is ok for info on Mary and Anne, and she has a new book on all the queens regnant of England, so that might have something. They're both still in need of a good moder biographer though, as is William.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 17, 2007, 05:16:30 PM
I really think you should have a go sometime PL!
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 18, 2007, 07:56:22 AM
In my dreams maybe!  ;)
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 18, 2007, 04:27:47 PM
Whatever.... ;D

One thing to avoid though is double biographies (e.g. William and Mary or Mary and Anne) - they really are the pits! One of the two exits about half way through the book, so that the rest of the book is an anticlimax: " x couldn't really enjoy reigning without y at their side"! Another wretched example is the Margaret and Mary Tudor book which we have so often criticised. :P
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 19, 2007, 09:31:20 AM
Yes, I agree. I  don't even know if there are any good biographies of William by himself, and I have read only one of Mary, and it wasn't very good. I think they do that when they feel there is not enough to say about any a specific person, or not enough interest to sustain a whole biography. But while the intentions might be good, the outcome rarely is.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 22, 2007, 04:25:26 PM
Another annoying thing about William And Mary Bios.......

They are usually written from an anglo-saxon perspective so they skip over the dutch bit - as if Mary's time in Holland was reaqlly an extended vacation while she waited to be asked to be Queen of England! I wonder if there are any good Dutch biographies of them?
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Modena1 on January 22, 2007, 09:27:32 PM
Ooh, I hope I spelt that right.  :P Can anyone recommend got biographies on any of the following?

1. Queen Mary II

2. Queen Anne

3. Queen Mary Beatrice of Modena

Thanks!  :)


For pretty good Mary Beatrice info, try Mary of Modena by Carola Oman and the bio of Mary Beatrice by Martin Haile.

Good sources of info, both a little dated, but nonetheless a good starting point for info on Mary Beatrice.  ;D

Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 23, 2007, 11:44:22 AM
Another annoying thing about William And Mary Bios.......

They are usually written from an anglo-saxon perspective so they skip over the dutch bit - as if Mary's time in Holland was reaqlly an extended vacation while she waited to be asked to be Queen of England! I wonder if there are any good Dutch biographies of them?


For sure, that is true. I think the Anglo- Saxon perspective is what would interest more English readers though, if they were reading the book to learn about English royalty. Personally, I find the Dutch part a bit boring, and I think most biographers tend to focus on the English part, because they assume there will be more interest in it. Obviously, in biographies written from a Dutch perspective, that might not be the case.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: ilyala on January 23, 2007, 11:53:32 AM
i'd be interested to read something about mary, princess royal, the mother of william. i can't find much about her, except that she thought she married down and she handed her country to louis 14th... and of course, she was william's mother and charles 1st's daughter.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 23, 2007, 11:55:48 AM
i'd be interested to read something about mary, princess royal, the mother of william. i can't find much about her, except that she thought she married down and she handed her country to louis 14th... and of course, she was william's mother and charles 1st's daughter.

Try Alison Plowden's 'Stuart Princesses', it's quite good and has some info on Mary. Antonia Fraser's 'Charles II' mentions her a bit too.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 23, 2007, 11:59:03 AM
She seems like she had a quiet enough personality. She died of smallpox, I believe when William was a child, I think it might have been in England. She was undoubtedly shaped by who her father was, but I think there should be more mention of her, because there is little enough. She may have had a quiet personality, but her family background was dynamic. I don't think there is enough to to do much of a biography on her though.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 23, 2007, 04:08:45 PM
She was not a quiet personality in the least, in my opinion. Just because she isn't well known doesn't mean she was quiet. She was the daughter of Charles I and Henrietta Maria from the top of her head to the tip of her toes - she had all of Charles' stubborness, and all of Henrietta Maria's sense of status. She was very close to Charles II, and was capable of great kindness. She done her level best to help the exiled royalists in the 1650s, but she couldn't do much without the permission of the Dutch States General.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 23, 2007, 05:00:33 PM
Well, I think the way Charles I died, and the way things were after his death made a great impression on all his children. She seems to have been quite molded by the circumstances of her life, and the fact she was the daughter of Charles I. Perhaps Holland wasn't the best place to show off her abilities or personality. I don't know how well she fit in there. I think there should be a collective bio of all the children of Charles I, does anyone know of any book like this?
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: bell_the_cat on January 23, 2007, 05:24:14 PM
As PL says the Princess of Orange was by all accounts a rather abrasive personality!
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 23, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
I think she was quiet in her impact on history, whether that was fortunate or not. But, I think she did have the personality you stated. She seemed frustrated in Holland. Could someone post a list of the best biographies of Charles I's family, if any?
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: palatine on January 23, 2007, 09:06:27 PM
i'd be interested to read something about mary, princess royal, the mother of william. i can't find much about her, except that she thought she married down and she handed her country to louis 14th... and of course, she was william's mother and charles 1st's daughter.

Mary hasn’t attracted much interest from historians, perhaps because she died young and because she was not renowned for her charm and wit the way that Charles II and Minette were.  You can find information about her in biographies of William III, Charles I, Charles II, and Henrietta Maria, and in histories of the Stuart era.  Most of them repeat the same tired story: Mary was a devoted wife, daughter, sister, and mother who spent most of her short life throwing money at her penurious family and playing peacemaker when they squabbled.  A good summation of the party line vis-à-vis Mary can be found in Alison Plowden’s The Stuart Princesses and in Patrick Morrah’s A Royal Family: Charles I and His Family.  For what its worth, Mary wasn’t as boring or as negligible as historians have made her out to be. 
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: ilyala on January 24, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
i'd be interested to read something about mary, princess royal, the mother of william. i can't find much about her, except that she thought she married down and she handed her country to louis 14th... and of course, she was william's mother and charles 1st's daughter.

Mary hasn’t attracted much interest from historians, perhaps because she died young and because she was not renowned for her charm and wit the way that Charles II and Minette were.  You can find information about her in biographies of William III, Charles I, Charles II, and Henrietta Maria, and in histories of the Stuart era.  Most of them repeat the same tired story: Mary was a devoted wife, daughter, sister, and mother who spent most of her short life throwing money at her penurious family and playing peacemaker when they squabbled.  A good summation of the party line vis-à-vis Mary can be found in Alison Plowden’s The Stuart Princesses and in Patrick Morrah’s A Royal Family: Charles I and His Family.  For what its worth, Mary wasn’t as boring or as negligible as historians have made her out to be. 

i bet she wasn't. i would like to read a more detailed account on how louis 14th invaded orange (when she asked him for help) and how she reacted to this...
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 24, 2007, 10:11:23 AM
Well, I think the way Charles I died, and the way things were after his death made a great impression on all his children. She seems to have been quite molded by the circumstances of her life, and the fact she was the daughter of Charles I. Perhaps Holland wasn't the best place to show off her abilities or personality. I don't know how well she fit in there. I think there should be a collective bio of all the children of Charles I, does anyone know of any book like this?

Yes, there is one by Julia Dobson. I think it ends around 1650/51 though.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: imperial angel on January 24, 2007, 10:49:29 AM
What year was it published? As for Mary, I agree that the same stuff tends to get repeated by biographers, because there is little else out there. I guess that is where I got my impression stated earlier from. If they did more research into the life of Mary, maybe more would come out of what she was like, and what she thought.
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Kimberly on January 25, 2007, 03:48:36 AM
Hi pals ;D. My book club is advertising a book called "Sovereign Ladies" by Maureen Waller. She animates the lives of the Six Queens Regnant by assessing their achievements from a female perspective according to the blurb. It supposedly goes into delicious detail so this might be quite enjoyable.( I myself have gone for "Classical Greek Temples this month, its on special offer ;) ;D)
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 25, 2007, 10:37:09 AM
Thanks Kim, I've seen it in the shops! €37 though, I might have to wait for the paperback! ;D Waller's book 'Ungrateful Daughters' is quite good, except that she doesn't modernise spelling in Mary and Anne's letters, which can be irritating! :P
Title: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Zanthia on February 27, 2007, 02:36:25 AM
A new movie about the tragic queen, featuring Scarlett Johansson as Mary, is currently in pre-production, and will begin shooting later this year. The premiere is set in 2008.
Scarlett is really getting her feets wet in the tudor era right now. First she plays Mary Boleyn, and now Mary, Queen of Scots.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on February 27, 2007, 03:53:22 AM
Shame she wasn't available to play QEII instead of Helen Mirren ;D ;D ;D
Its always the same starlets isn't it! (Now I will pull my tongue out of my cheek)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kurt Steiner on February 27, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Tell me that' Beckham is not going to appear in this film, please.

I've just read that he's going to play some role in a film about the Xmas Truce of 1914 and I'm still under a heavy shock... ;D

Victory or Evasion, without Pele or Stallone, methinks...
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Yseult on February 28, 2007, 03:38:52 AM
Tell me that' Beckham is not going to appear in this film, please.

My God!!! I can´t imagine Beckham as a lord Darnley or a Rizzio. What a miscasting it would be!  :P
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kurt Steiner on February 28, 2007, 03:47:18 AM
Tell me that' Beckham is not going to appear in this film, please.

My God!!! I can´t imagine Beckham as a lord Darnley or a Rizzio. What a miscasting it would be!  :P

Perhaps as a  Darnley. Too Brit to be a Rizzio, too "cute" to be a Moray.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ilyala on February 28, 2007, 03:49:48 AM
oh but i think the silly foolish but good-looking role of darnley might suit him like a glove!

as the beatles say, all he has to do is 'act naturally'  ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on February 28, 2007, 06:07:15 AM
......and try to string a sentence together :P
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 28, 2007, 09:40:15 AM
Without saying 'init'. And he's not even all that good looking.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ilyala on February 28, 2007, 10:01:19 AM
Without saying 'init'. And he's not even all that good looking.  ;D ;D

he's good looking in the same way that darnley was: quite an effeminate way.

i personally don't like it, but many women find that attractive, just like darnley was considered attractive too.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 28, 2007, 10:05:26 AM
Well, it's a matter of opinion I guess. Either way, I'd hate to see him involved in a film like this.  :P
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on February 28, 2007, 10:16:11 AM
And....HORRORS..... Posh might get a part in it too :o :o
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2007, 07:51:29 PM
Posh can play Bothwell's wife.  ::)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: bell_the_cat on March 04, 2007, 05:48:14 AM
Beckham would be a fabulous Darnley! He even looks like him.

Don't know that Victoria would be right for Lady Bothwell as she is such a scene stealer (see "Spice -the Movie").

I would think Mel B, Mel C, Vic and Emma could do a good job as the four Maries and could do some rock interludes, following the example of the recent Coppola film: "Marie Antoinette". Ex band member "Ginger" (!)would make a good Elizabeth, perhaps in the manner of Miranda Richardson in "Blackadder".  :D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2007, 07:11:11 PM
Or maybe Cate Blancett can do Liz again... ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ilyala on March 05, 2007, 04:04:00 AM
Beckham would be a fabulous Darnley! He even looks like him.

Don't know that Victoria would be right for Lady Bothwell as she is such a scene stealer (see "Spice -the Movie").

I would think Mel B, Mel C, Vic and Emma could do a good job as the four Maries and could do some rock interludes, following the example of the recent Coppola film: "Marie Antoinette". Ex band member "Ginger" (!)would make a good Elizabeth, perhaps in the manner of Miranda Richardson in "Blackadder".  :D


oh blackadder! the only mr. bean movie i ever enjoyed.

god, that was funny  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 11, 2007, 09:22:43 PM
Shame she wasn't available to play QEII instead of Helen Mirren ;D ;D ;D
Its always the same starlets isn't it! (Now I will pull my tongue out of my cheek)

it is! The mere thought of Scarlett Johansson as Mary Queen of Scots is absurd, though she seems the right person to play Mary Boleyn. I mean, blond, buxom, pretty  . . . i've got to admit I actually imagined Scarlett as Mary before I even heard she was acting as the other Boleyn girl!
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
Was she playing Mary Boleyn or Mary Queen od Scots ? She did very well in the period drama "Girl With the peal earring".  ;)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 14, 2007, 04:51:59 PM
Johansson is playing both Maries.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ivanushka on July 16, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
Scarlett wouldn't be my first choice to play Mary, but as Eric Lowe said, she was good in the girl with the pearl earring.  I think she's quite a good actress and could certainly convey Mary's seductiveness and allure very well. 

Does anyone know who else has been cast in this film?
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 16, 2007, 03:45:43 PM
Yes, Scarlett sure is a  dazzling actress.

And I checked the Mary Stuart movie on imdb, but they only had Scarlett as Mary. I don't think they've settled on the roles yet.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 16, 2007, 07:44:16 PM
I think Becks would be good at the Darney role.  ;)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on July 17, 2007, 02:49:03 AM
Oh gawd....the man can barely string a sentence together. ::)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2007, 03:41:37 AM
Darney was not known to have much brains either...a kind of male bimbo (used ruthlessly by Scottish nobles who wanted to bring Mary down). Seriously I think Jude Law will be a good choice for the role.  ;)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 17, 2007, 05:37:34 AM
Hi Eric,

Is a male bimbo a 'himbo'????

I also think Jude Law would be good as Darnley...
Timothy Dalton was quite good in Vanessa Redgrave's "Mary, Queen of Scots" back in the 70's...  He managed to be quite a little weasel, although not as smart as one!  More a rodent type.

Larry
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2007, 05:41:23 AM
Indeed. Jude play a similar role in Wilde playing the spoilt but pretty "Bosie". I wonder who will play Elizabeth I in that movie ?  ???
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ivanushka on July 17, 2007, 05:51:07 AM
Yes, I think Jude Law would be a good choice.  Orlando Bloom also springs to mind.  I also liked Timothy Dalton in the Vanessa Redgrave film.

As for Elizabeth I, I'm not sure.  How about Catherine McCormack who played her briefly but rather well in a UK drama "Gunpowder, Treason and Plot"?

I'm wondering whether this film will actually get made.  I hope it does but fear it won't.  Scarlett's people might decide that what with the Boleyn Girl she risks overdosing on period dramas.  At the very least they may wait and see how the Boleyn Girl does before going ahead with MQoS.

Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on July 17, 2007, 06:28:12 AM
Jude Law.....Orblando Loon.... oh how I wish we had a "vomiting" emoticon. :P :P ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: bell_the_cat on July 17, 2007, 05:52:10 PM
Sorry, off topic Kim ( I've just been watching Victoria Beckham's adventures in LA  :P). Is that Bamburgh Castle on your new Avatar?
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on July 17, 2007, 06:13:47 PM
Yes, Bell. Isn't it a stunning photo. Just love the area as you well know ;) :-*
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2007, 07:51:29 PM
Posh would be over the moon if David is cast in the "Mary of Scots" movie.  ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: dmitri on July 20, 2007, 11:05:19 AM
Maybe the Beckams can be sent to the block and do the world a favour. What a nauseous pair they are.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 20, 2007, 08:51:52 PM
O think he would be great as Darney...a himbo.  ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Prince_Lieven on July 21, 2007, 05:32:45 AM
Can we move on from discussing the Beckhams and their various virtues/vices, please?  ;)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 21, 2007, 01:22:24 PM
I checked the Mary Stuart movie on imdb

What is the exact title?
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 22, 2007, 08:02:25 PM
I think Cate Blancette would be great to play LIz again... ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 24, 2007, 04:39:20 PM
I checked the Mary Stuart movie on imdb

What is the exact title?

Mary Queen of Scots
But with no comma!
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 24, 2007, 07:53:29 PM
I read there was a really popular fiction book about Mary called "Marie Stuart". Both Ludwig II and Sophie Alencon were fans of that book. Was the movie based on that ?  ???
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: bell_the_cat on July 25, 2007, 05:10:23 PM
Mary Queen of Scots
But with no comma!

Yes, no comma!
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Kimberly on August 02, 2007, 07:16:17 AM
Try the Monty Python version ;D;
http://www.orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/penguin.htm (http://www.orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/penguin.htm)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2007, 08:16:06 PM
That's a riot !  ;D
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ivanushka on August 06, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
I'm still not convinced that this movie will ever get made.  I hope it does as I'd love to see a new biopic of MQoS, but I just have a feeling that Scarlett and her team may decide that what with The Other Boleyn Girl she may slightly be overdosing on period dramas (and the producers may feel that with the forthcoming Cate Blanchett film The Golden Age the market for Sixteenth century films may be saturated).  According to the IMDB summary the script is still with directors.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on August 06, 2007, 05:25:03 PM
  According to the IMDB summary the script is still with directors. 

Hope it gets leaked onto the internet...  ::)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2007, 08:07:24 PM
Well...Quite a lot of sex can get into the movie.  ::)
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on August 07, 2007, 12:40:46 PM
....'specially with Scarlett Johansson in it!
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2007, 08:38:48 PM
I agree...Mary with Darney, Francois II and of couse sexy Brothwell who some say raped her... ???
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on August 09, 2007, 04:30:13 PM
And with Hollywood making this film, they would try their best to exaggerate it.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 09, 2007, 08:23:44 PM
Yes...Mary's life is high drama already. Being at the court of Catherine de Medici, the barbaric court of Scotland (the murder of Rizzo), the enforced abdication, the rape by Bothwell, the long imprisonment by Elisabeth I and her dramatic exit at Fortheringay. :-\
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: ivanushka on August 10, 2007, 08:24:21 AM
Sounds like it's going to be a very long movie!  If it ever gets made...

Assuming it does, they'll probably just deal with her years in Scotland and then a few final scenes about her imprisonment and death.  A pity if they do as the French years and imprisonment years are great stories in their own right.
Title: Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2007, 02:17:28 AM
I don't think it would cover less than the Vanessa Redgrave version.  ;)
Title: Re: Biography Recommendations?
Post by: Vasaborg on October 17, 2007, 03:04:37 PM
"Queen over the Water" by Mary Hopkirk, published 1953, is a very good book on the life of Mary Beatrice of Modena.
Title: Redgrave's Mary Queen of Scots
Post by: boleynfan on December 30, 2007, 08:24:26 PM
Just watched Mary Queen of Scots with Vanessa Redgrave, not having seen it for many years. My first viewing was on the flight home from England when I was 11.  It helped to cement my fascination with Tudor/Stuart history.

I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this film.  On the Tudor thread, we've been bemoaning recent TV and film productions for their lack of accuracy and their sometimes bizarre casting.  This film shows how these subjects can be done right. I think Vanessa Redgrave was pitch perfect, in both appearance and performance.  Timothy Dalton was just as I always imagined Darnley to be.  Yes, there were the two meetings with Elizabeth (the best of all time, Glenda Jackson) added in, but overall, the accuracy was there.  Walsingham didn't seduce Mary de Guise then kill her in this one....snark to Elizabeth with Blanchett in it...  Costuming was beautiful and the score by Barry is excellent.

Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: Redgrave's Mary Queen of Scots
Post by: Kimberly on January 01, 2008, 03:51:28 AM
I haven't seen this film for a couple of years but I love it. There are REAL actors in it for a start. Not only was Redgrave and Jackson magnificent but also I thought Patrick Macgoon (sp) and Ian Holm were perfectly cast. It is as sumptuous to look at too, very much like Anne of the Thousand Days.
Title: Re: Redgrave's Mary Queen of Scots
Post by: dmitri on January 30, 2008, 09:09:16 PM
This was quite a brilliant film. In certain areas it was not historically accurate. This does not take away from the sheer beauty of the film and the incredibly fine acting. It is quite a classic. Redgrave gave a superb performance as did many others mentioned above.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: ivanushka on April 18, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
This is one of my favourite films.  I think Vanessa Redgrave is perfect casting for MQoS.  She's beautiful, but not in the supermodel/sexpot way.  It's more that she's exceptionally attractive and alluring and projects the same sort of charisma that Mary clearly possessed.

I also that the rest of the casting was spot on.  In particular Timothy Dalton is great as as the shifty and spineless Darnley, and Ian Holm is equally good as the cunning but devoted Rizzio.  I read one review of the film a few years ago that described the script as heavy and wooden.  I can only assume that the reviewer was watching a different film to me as I though the script flowed beautifully and made for a gripping drama.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Suzanne on October 18, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
New book about Scottish royal history from the Picts to Queen Anne

http://www.royalhistorian.com/the-kings-and-queens-of-scotland-by-timothy-venning-review/
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 05, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
There have been a lot of movie portrayals of the Stuart Kings see the wiki bios of Charles I and James II, I couldn't find one for Charles II but there more than a few.

some books on the Stuart era:
Jacobite Spy Wars, Hugh Douglas spying in the 1700s for and against the Stuarts in excile
The Williamite wars in Ireland 1688_1697 Richard Doherty
William III and the defense of European Liberty 1650-1702 Stephen baxter William III vs Louis XIV
The Triumph of Providence Jane Garrett a plot to murder William III
The Defeat of James Stuarts Armada 1692 Philip Aubrex deals with the naval battle of Cape Barfluex or La Houge

Then ther is the miniseries reign about Mary Queen of Scots that I haven't seen
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 06, 2014, 03:45:56 PM
The costume drama as the call it is on CW it has Mary Queen of Scots played by Adeliade Kane. She looks a little too tanned and short to be Mary who was 5'11" and had a rather pale complection.

More books on the Stuarts:
Osprey has a number on the Stuart armies and their battles
All the Queens men Gordon Donnaldson on Mary's supporters
Edinburg During the Reformation Michael Lynch Edinburg in the 1500s
By Permisson of heavan Darian Tinniswood on the great fire of London
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: ivanushka on March 06, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
The costume drama as the call it is on CW it has Mary Queen of Scots played by Adeliade Kane. She looks a little too tanned and short to be Mary who was 5'11" and had a rather pale complection.

I watched the trailer for this show and thought "The Renaissance meets Gossip Girl!".  The girl playing Mary is very attractive but no more so (in my opinion) than the four girls playing her maids of honour.  Also the guy playing the Dauphin Francois looks like a male model which wasn't the case in reality! 
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: Kalafrana on March 07, 2014, 07:28:40 AM
No, Francois II was a very poor specimen with a chronic ear infection which eventually developed into the mastoid abscess which killed him.

Ann
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 07, 2014, 02:21:20 PM
Reign has been picked up for its second season.

In looking through archives.org put in the names of Mary Queen of Scots, Charles I & II, James I & II, Queen Anne and you will get a number of book titles on these people.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 10, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
A couple of more books of interest of MQofS:
Mary Stewart's people by Margaret Sanderson deals with a number of the other people that lived in Scotland in Mary's time.
Elizabeth's Spymaster Francis Walsingham and the secret war that saved England Robert Hutchinson a fairly recent bio of Walsingham which shows how he got Mary executed and England as a 1500s police state.
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 23, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
on youtube the miniseries:
By the Sword Divided
The First Churchills
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on October 08, 2016, 01:03:10 PM
Some not so good movies on Mary Queen of Scots:

Gunpowder Plot and Treason Mary Queen of Scots

Mary Queen of Scots Completo E Dublao Has Spanish subtitles it needs English subtitles

Maria Stuart by f Schiller in German with English subtitles
Title: Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on September 19, 2017, 09:31:32 PM
I think there may be a movie Mary Queen of Scots in the works

The book "The trial of Mary Queen of Scots" Jane Lewis has the record of her trial and the full Robert Wyngfield account of her execution for those who want more on the subject.
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Post by: Kimberly on September 21, 2017, 04:02:41 AM
There is James, they were filming locally to me last week. ( Gloucester Cathedral).
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on December 13, 2017, 12:59:29 PM
There is an miniseries coming out on HBO "Gunpowder" on the Guy Fawkes plot to blow up Parliment
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Post by: Kimberly on December 31, 2017, 02:55:28 AM
This one is a three parter. There are some quite shocking execution scenes in the first episode, including a crushing so be warned. Other than that, I found "Gunpowder" deadly dull.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on August 13, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
The new Mary Queen of Scots movie will be out in December 2018
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on November 06, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
The miniseries Outlander Season 2 has bonny Prince Charlie in it.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on December 05, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
The Favorite a movie on Queen Anne has just came out along with the Mary Queen of Scots movie both are getting good reviews