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Title: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 17, 2015, 03:08:08 PM
Photos of OTMA on horses, ponies or donkeys. (Post if you have more)

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Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 17, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
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Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 17, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
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Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: DNAgenie on November 17, 2015, 08:42:05 PM
Interesting.  As little tots they learned to ride astride, then later, when grown up and riding in public, they rode side-saddle. All have been well-taught, and have a good seat on a horse (which you get from a lot of practice) but that is what we would expect of royalty and nobility of that era, for whom the horse was the natural form of transport.

Today people learn to drive cars, a skill which most of us take for granted, but it has to be learned and practiced also.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 17, 2015, 09:12:05 PM
Well, they wore shorter skirts when they were little and didn't really need to be lady like....just not fall off. (not that I know anything about it!)

Riding side-saddle has always looked uncomfortable and unstable to me :S

A photo of one for fun

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Sidesaddle-373w_zps3wi5sogh.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Sidesaddle-373w_zps3wi5sogh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: DNAgenie on November 18, 2015, 02:33:39 AM
There is more to riding a horse than just not falling off. You have to be in control at all times, and you have to instruct the horse what you want it to do. The signals used on a ridden horse are called aids, given by hands, legs, feet and seat and these need to be learnt and practiced from a young age, so you can make the horse stand still, start, stop, move on or back up, turn in the desired direction, and to proceed at different paces.

The photos of the children on ponies mostly show the ponies being led by adults, as the child is not yet trusted to control the animal on her own. They are still in the learning stage. The photos of the girls as young adults riding sidesaddle show very experienced and adept riders, who now know exactly what to do, and can look elegant while doing it  You can pick that at once in the photographs and I found the whole series of great interest.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Kalafrana on November 18, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I have to disagree about their riding ability. None of them looks particularly at ease on horseback, unlike Nicholas where he appears between Olga and Tatiana. Note that nearly all the pictures show them at the halt, and contrast the pictures of Dimitri at the Olympics (admittedly, he was a really top rider).

John van dear Kiste's book on Xenia has a photo of one of her sons (Feodor or Andrei) on horseback in spring 1914. He looks completely relaxed and comfortable, rather than posed for the camera.

Admittedly, being sidesaddle is not going to help.

Ann
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: starik on November 18, 2015, 09:29:08 AM
Well, when I see them turn their horses after reviewing their regiments and gallop off side saddle, or catch up to their father and exchange big grins "isn't this awesome?", they seemed pretty at ease and having great fun to me.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 18, 2015, 11:37:31 AM
There is more to riding a horse than just not falling off

I hope that wasn't aimed at me for I was only joking. (I've been riding a horse from the same age as them)

I was just guessing that the toddler not riding side saddle was least of their worries.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Kalafrana on November 18, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

Ann
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Sanochka on November 18, 2015, 03:48:04 PM
Fantastic photos.  And thank you, Bryndis, for posting the color picture of the side saddle.  Truth to tell, I've never seen such a saddle - I fell off a running horse when I was young and lost all interest in riding as a result.  Still, I'd always wondered how women managed to stay sitting astride a horse side-saddle.  The picture makes it plain how they can do so.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: starik on November 18, 2015, 04:18:39 PM
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

Ann

Yes, there is film you can find on YouTube of their 1913(?) review of their regiments. You have to watch it a few times to realize who just quickly rode past. (Hint: they're the only ones side-saddle). I forget which book mentions that they practiced their riding before the big day. They were probably a little nervous because they weren't as experienced or confident as others that would be there. They may not have been masters at riding, but were familiar and competent enough to wheel their mounts around and gallop off or catch up to Nicholas on his horse and come along stride of him. It is when they are doing that that you can see the smiles the Big Pair exchange. The horses were carefully chosen (the girls may have had their favorites) but they did whatever the girls wanted them to do - and they knew what they wanted them to do: fast, slow, here and there. And all of it side-saddle. Much better than my last time on a horse!
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Rodney_G. on November 18, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
Starik, and Ann, I've seen a film clip of that occasion. I can't recall if it was on Youtube or elsewhere or if it was the exact same one you mention.Very likely it is. It was brief but very interesting.

I do recall Olga and Tatiana appearing comfortable and confident on their mounts. But there was something else quite notable in that film, namely the presence of Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaievich, who I believe even then was Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army and Nicholas II's cousin. He rode close by and behind the girls in what appeared to me to b a sort of protective or supportive position. Very gallant
He can be seen in photos  rows three and four of reply 2 above.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 18, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
Might be Tatiana

At least seems to be a woman

https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=146 (https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=146)

https://youtu.be/oVkmRgWJbV8?t=8 (https://youtu.be/oVkmRgWJbV8?t=8)

https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=39 (https://youtu.be/YbjJfn15zF8?t=39) <---Tatiana

Watch the whole videos from the beginning as well.

Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: starik on November 18, 2015, 05:35:01 PM
Starik

Is there any film of the girls riding?

I ask because I haven't seen any, and, going back over the pictures a second time, most show them static. Only one (one of the circular ones) shows any of them going faster than a trot, and that is too I distinct to show any facial expression.

I'm not suggesting that the girls weren't competent riders as far as it went, just that they didn't do a lot of riding. Someone will doubtless correct me if I'm mistaken, but as far as I know riding is seldom mentioned as part of their daily lives. Nicholas certainly rode regularly on parades, but he doesn't seem to have ridden for pleasure as did George V and the Kaiser. Nicholas seems to have preferred walking to riding.

Ann

Yes, there is film you can find on YouTube of their 1913(?) review of their regiments. You have to watch it a few times to realize who just quickly rode past. (Hint: they're the only ones side-saddle). I forget which book mentions that they practiced their riding before the big day. They were probably a little nervous because they weren't as experienced or confident as others that would be there. They may not have been masters at riding, but were familiar and competent enough to wheel their mounts around and gallop off or catch up to Nicholas on his horse and come along stride of him. It is when they are doing that that you can see the smiles the Big Pair exchange. The horses were carefully chosen (the girls may have had their favorites) but they did whatever the girls wanted them to do - and they knew what they wanted them to do: fast, slow, here and there. And all of it side-saddle. Much better than my last time on a horse!

Here is probably the film that captures that day best. It starts out with Tatiana on horseback. At just after the 3:30 mark is the exchange of smiles. For all I know, those guys are chasing after Olga as she gallops off screaming "Stop this crazy horse!". But I like to not think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm93hWTWWoU
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Rodney_G. on November 18, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
Well done, Bryndis! I still can't be 100% sure they are what I saw, though I think so.Yes, that's most noticeably Tatiana, but Olga too is there in review  and alongside Tatiana at one point near the end. This is  a review of both GDs' regiments.Not great photography but very good to see.A nice little historical record.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Bryndis on November 18, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
Yeah, I didn't notice Olga at first. It's sadly hard to see.

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/Horses/donkey_zpsut2uprma.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/Horses/donkey_zpsut2uprma.jpg.html)
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Kalafrana on November 19, 2015, 01:14:54 AM
I will watch it.

Ann
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: TimM on March 31, 2019, 12:03:28 PM
Riding a horse must have been fun for them.

Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 01, 2019, 12:11:45 PM
From what I have read on QEII reviewing the troops on horseback requires some above average riding skills and a trained horse.

I have also read that Olga and Tatania did ride very well.

Nicholas II was an excellent horseman. I have also read where he did go for rides on a fairly regular basis in the first ten years as Tsar.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: TimM on April 02, 2019, 12:07:13 AM
Yeah,  I guess it would take some preparation.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 07, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
Nicholas II when he reviewed the troops often did it on horseback. pre-1905 Nicholas I believe often went horseback riding with only one Cossack to guard him.

Alexandra could also ride fairly well I believe

Olga A also could ride very well
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: DNAgenie on April 08, 2019, 07:13:13 PM
Of course they were all taught to ride well. The modern equivalent would be learning to drive a car. They would have had lessons from early childhood, supervised by the Tsar's Master of Horse, or his Coachmaster, but the actual teacher would have probably been a groom.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Превед on April 10, 2019, 09:25:31 AM
Of course they were all taught to ride well. The modern equivalent would be learning to drive a car.

Both yes and no. It's interesting to read accounts from that time of people who didnt't know how to ride a horse. I think they were the majority, and horse-riding was primarily linked to the military and the upper classes that dominated the army. The horses most farmers kept for farmwork (and horses used for hauling goods in urban areas, barges on rivers etc.) were not trained to be ridden, so you usually only hear about small children riding them as a treat (and playing at hussars etc.) Much more common was the skill to drive a horse and cart (or a plough or other farm equipment and handle and take care of a horse), as this was alpha and omega in agriculture and in many urban transportation jobs, including cab drivers. If peasants owning a horse were going anywhere far (market, church etc.) they drove their usual farm cart. Bourgeois families had a roofed coach. To come riding would be seen as the modern equivalent of arriving in an unpractical cabriolet sports car. Something for the chosen few. I doubt common people owning a horse even owned a saddle, so they would have to ride bareback on an untrained horse. Surely a sight for the neighbours to laugh at, like driving to the grocery store on a riding mower today.

Riding was probably a more common skill among the populace before the construction of early modern roads and the Industrial Revolution, as old traditions of Easter races among farmers etc. testify to.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: TimM on April 10, 2019, 12:30:57 PM
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like driving to the grocery store on a riding mower today

Saw that happen in  a movie, but I can't remember the name of said movie.
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: Превед on April 10, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
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like driving to the grocery store on a riding mower today

Saw that happen in  a movie, but I can't remember the name of said movie.

"The Straight Story" from 1999, about a guy riding through Iowa on a riding mower?

Typically a much-loved Norwegian folk song (really a lullaby for a horse) with music by Edvard Grieg about a working farm horse's existence imagines a farm horse's holiday would consist of just lazily going around the courtyard med veslegutt på nakken - with the wee lad on the neck: Fola, fola Blakken (https://youtu.be/FyH4DDekqpg?t=37)
Title: Re: OTMA on horses
Post by: TimM on April 15, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
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"The Straight Story" from 1999, about a guy riding through Iowa on a riding mower?

Yeah, that might have been it.