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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Myth and Legends of Survivors => Topic started by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 29, 2016, 01:59:55 PM

Title: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 29, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
I thought that Natalia Petrovna Bilikozde (the woman who claimed to be the 101 year old Anastasia Nikolaevna) was going to be the last case of a person claiming to be a child of Nicholas and Alexandra, but recently while checking in pinterest I discovered that I was wrong.
This woman is the third (or at least the third that I know: Suzanna Catahrina de Graaf and "Irina Nikolaevna") woman who claims to be a fifth daughter of the Tsar.

Here is the original paragraph:

"Not even close! FALSE DESCENDANTS OF THE ROMANOVS ~ in 2011 this a 97-year-old woman Elsa Volkov who lived in Riga, Latvia argued she was the 5th daughter of the last Russian Emperor Nikolay II. Neither archive memories nor documents proved any fact that in addition to four daughters - Olga, Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia, and his son Alexey Nikolay II got the 5th daughter Elizabeth."

And a photo:

 (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/elsavolkovfakeromanov_zps8taxz3ft.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/elsavolkovfakeromanov_zps8taxz3ft.jpg.html)
 
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: TimM on April 02, 2016, 07:36:14 AM
Another one.  Geesh, will this never stop!?

Nicholas and Alexandra had five children, and only five.  Case closed.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: DNAgenie on April 02, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
She only claimed to be the daughter of Nicholas II, not Alexandra. It is highly unlikely but not completely impossible. If she was 97 in 2011 that means born about 1914. No records does not necessarily mean no birth. Illegitimate royal births are easily covered up.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Kalafrana on April 03, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
A fair point, but Nicholas was an exceedingly devoted husband, so unlikely that he would have a fling.

Ann
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on April 05, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
At least she created her own character instead of claiming to be OTMA. It makes it easier to fake, too.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: TimM on April 08, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
If this lady really believed this, she should have agreed to a DNA test. 

I'm guessing she didn't, because she knew it would debunk her whole story.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: DNAgenie on April 08, 2016, 08:16:44 PM
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If this lady really believed this, she should have agreed to a DNA test. 

I'm guessing she didn't, because she knew it would debunk her whole story.
 

She may well have done a DNA tests, and that may be why she is now making this claim.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 09, 2016, 07:22:02 PM
I've atempted to find some more information on this woman's case but I haven't had luck, there is only the post on pinterest. I am not sure even if the woman is still alive, she would be now 102 years old. Anyways, the claim was made in 2011 and nothing else has appeared after all. The post doesn't mention any DNA test, so I think none was made at least when she made her claim. I am not surprised, only very few claimants dare to take DNA tests.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: TimM on April 10, 2016, 07:01:38 AM
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only very few claimants dare to take DNA tests.

Because they know said tests would debunk their claims.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Machupicchu14 on April 10, 2016, 08:14:20 AM
I don't know why people pretend to be who they aren't. And of course, it would have been impossible for the tsar to have an illegitimate daughter. Anyway, he was very devoted to Alexandra.
Is it that they want to be famous or want to add more mystery, inventing more things about the last Romanovs?
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Kalafrana on April 10, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
Not impossible for Nicholas to have an illegitimate daughter, but very unlikely indeed.

If he did, I reckon it would have been before his marriage.

Ann
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: DNAgenie on April 10, 2016, 03:57:01 PM
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only very few claimants dare to take DNA tests.
I know of two who have had DNA tests done. The tests were negative, but in each case there had been a genuine belief that they would prove the 'truth'.

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I don't know why people pretend to be who they aren't.
There is no pretense about it, they believed it, although that belief may have been misguided.

What about the situation of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, last week, who did a DNA test to prove he was his father's son?  The test proved he wasn't. See
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/5704/a-personal-statement-from-the-archbishop-of-canterbury


Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Greenowl on April 11, 2016, 12:10:56 PM

What about the situation of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, last week, who did a DNA test to prove he was his father's son?  The test proved he wasn't. See
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/5704/a-personal-statement-from-the-archbishop-of-canterbury


Robert Runcie died 16 years ago...I think you mean Justin Welby
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Kalafrana on April 11, 2016, 12:24:05 PM
Anna Anderson died before DNA testing was available, but I have always been highly suspicious of her refusal to be tested on her ability to speak Russian.

Ann
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 11, 2016, 12:48:11 PM
Not impossible for Nicholas to have an illegitimate daughter, but very unlikely indeed.

If he did, I reckon it would have been before his marriage.

Ann

In fact, there s a japanese woman on facebook claiming that her  great grandmother had an affair with Nicholas during the 1891 visit to Japan and her grandmother was the result of that affair.

I checked her Fb profile and its pretty wacky, i must say.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: DNAgenie on April 11, 2016, 07:54:58 PM
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Robert Runcie died 16 years ago...I think you mean Justin Welby

Yes of course. Sorry.  My subconscious must have taken over.
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: TimM on April 12, 2016, 07:12:44 AM
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In fact, there s a japanese woman on facebook claiming that her  great grandmother had an affair with Nicholas during the 1891 visit to Japan and her grandmother was the result of that affair.

I checked her Fb profile and its pretty wacky, i must say.

And she herself is no doubt Elvis's secret love child.

These nutcases....
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 26, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
Not impossible for Nicholas to have an illegitimate daughter, but very unlikely indeed.

If he did, I reckon it would have been before his marriage.

Ann

In fact, there s a japanese woman on facebook claiming that her  great grandmother had an affair with Nicholas during the 1891 visit to Japan and her grandmother was the result of that affair.

I checked her Fb profile and its pretty wacky, i must say.

I remember that time ago there was a person here claiming that Nicholas had an illegitimate daughter in Great Britain (in the 1890's) with a woman called Beatrice. I see that there are many "illegitimate daughters" of the Tsar everywhere ; )
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: Machupicchu14 on April 26, 2016, 02:30:21 PM
Yes, they will now say that Tsar Nicholas had an illegitimate daughter in Brazil or Australia.

Actually, who believes that he had an Illegitimate daughter?
I don't
Title: Re: New fifth daughter of the Tsar claimant
Post by: TimM on April 27, 2016, 07:33:41 AM
And he apparently also has a few on Mars and Venus  :D