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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Danish Royal Family => Topic started by: Marc on January 28, 2005, 03:57:19 PM

Title: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 28, 2005, 03:57:19 PM
Does anyone have any interesting info or picture of Princess Juliana Sophie of Denmark(1788-1850),sister of King Christian VIII?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 30, 2005, 10:26:32 AM
She married Prince von Hesse...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Jim1026 on January 30, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Princess Julilana Sophia married Prince Wilhelm, Landgrave of Hesse-Philippstal-Barchfeld. From the geneology I read there were no issue from the marriage.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 30, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
Any other info about her or her husband?Are there any pictures of them,because,if they had children they would have inherited the Danish throne...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on January 31, 2005, 06:44:31 PM
Juliane married Prince Wilhelm in 1812, and had a quit and childless marriage with him, and they lived in Copenhagen. She refused to have intimit relations with her husband, because she feared dying in child-birth. (The prince had a mistress who he had 5 daughters with).
Juliane liked food an became a very heavy woman over the years. She was liked by the royal family, but not considered a great personality, just like her husband.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on February 01, 2005, 08:20:04 AM
Really?And why is that?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on February 01, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
Why is what? :)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on February 01, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
Why wasn't she or her husband considered great personalities...?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on February 01, 2005, 05:50:45 PM
I see. I think it was because they lived a very plain live, and didnt contribute with many things. Landgraf Wilhelm, attending his duties as an officer in the danish army, and spending time with his mistress, and Juliane staying home eating. They were also out staged in a way by her sister, Princess Charlotte and her husband, an intelligent and charming couple.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 28, 2005, 07:29:15 PM
I am trying to find a picture of Caroline Amalie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg Second wife of King Christian VIII. Although he died in 1848, she remained "Dowager Queen" until she died in 1881. She must have been at at least a few family functions. Any ideas ? I can't find her in any of my usual Danish resources.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Kevin From Australia on June 28, 2005, 09:00:51 PM
There is a photo of her in Bjarne Jensen's "Juvelerne I Det Danske Kongehus", and also of a pictue of a painting of her.  She attended the christenings of the children of the the then Crown Prince Frederik (VIII), and I read that whenever Alexandra Princess of Wales visited Copenhagen she always visited her.  I will try to find the reference.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on June 29, 2005, 05:20:05 PM
Two pictures of dowager queen Caroline Amalie.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/carolineama.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/caroline2.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 29, 2005, 05:47:51 PM
Thank you both !
Kevin, the source you gave is a bit hard to come by in San Francisco. Even in our otherwise excellent public library. Guess we just do not have enough Danes here !
The pictures were exactly what I was looking for, Kmerov. I wonder why she does not show up more frequently in the family pictures of that era ?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on June 29, 2005, 06:13:55 PM
You are welcome!
Caroline Amalie was popular in the royal family and they often visited her, and so did the foreign royalty when they visited Denmark. I don't know why she doesn't appear in family pictures but maybe she was to frail in her last years, or the big gatherings didn't take place after she died in 1881. But I also wonder why!
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Kevin From Australia on June 29, 2005, 08:31:09 PM
It could not have been easy for her, being a Princess of the S-H-S- Augustenburg house, when Denmark decided on the S-H-S-Glucksburg house, but the little I have read about her she certainly was not shun by any of the family - her list of godchildren includes so many of the Glucksburgs.  I am at work at the moment but will list the godchildren I know of when i get home. (Yes I should not be logging on here while at work, but it is addictive!!)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Kevin From Australia on July 03, 2005, 12:31:40 AM
The godchildren of Queen Caroline Amalie that I have identified so far -

1843, June 22 - H.H. Prince Frederik of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (later King Frederik VIII of Denmark)
1845, February 7 - H.H. Princess Alexandra of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (later Queen Alexandra of Great Britain and Ireland)
1846, February 7 - H.H. Prince Wilhelm of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (later King Georg I of the Hellenes)
1848, March 7 - H.H. Princess Dagmar of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (later Empress Marie Feodorevna of Russia)
1853, November 23 - H.H. Princess Thyra of Denmark (later Duchess of Cumberland)
1854, November 26 - H.H. Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Hesse-Cassel
1868, August 6 - H.R.H. Princess Victoria of Wales
1869, March 31 - H.H. Prince Albert of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg
1870, October 31 -H.R.H. Prince Christian of Denmark (later King Christian X)
1871, May 17 - H.I.H. Grand Duke George Alexandrovitch of Russia
1872, September 7 - H.R.H. Prince Carl of Denmark (later King Haakon VII of Norway)
1875, March 29 - H.R.H. Princess Louise of Denmark (later Princess of Schaumburg-Lippe)
1876, December 1 - H.R.H. Prince Harald of Denmark
1878, October 6 - H.R.H. Princess Ingeborg of Denmark (later Princess of Sweden and Norway)
1879, October 25 - H.R.H. Princess Marie of Cumberland (later of Princess of Baden)
1880, May 3 - H.R.H. Princess Thyra of Denmark

Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: cimbrio on August 08, 2005, 09:00:32 AM
Did Christian VIII have any other children besides his son and heir Frederick? Not even stillborn babies perhaps?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 08, 2005, 09:41:49 AM
Was Queen Caroline Amalie related to Prince Christian, husband of Helena, QV's daughter? Was she thus related to Empress Dona of Germany?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: cimbrio on August 08, 2005, 03:38:20 PM
Caroline Amalia was Christian's paternal aunt. He was her younger brother Christian's second son, and since he was Dona's uncle(his brother Frederick was her father), Caroline Amalia was Dona's great-aunt. Hope it helps :)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 08, 2005, 04:03:24 PM
Thank you. Just insatiably curious as usual. : - )
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: cimbrio on August 08, 2005, 04:37:35 PM
No prob, I enjoy writing posts on here :P
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Paul on August 10, 2005, 11:10:34 AM
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Did Christian VIII have any other children besides his son and heir Frederick? Not even stillborn babies perhaps?


Apparently not. This branch of the family seemed destined to "daughter out":

CHRISTIAN VIII King of Denmark (1839-48), *Christiansborg 18.9.1786, +Amalienborg 20.1.1848; 1m: Ludwigslust 21.6.1806 (div 1810) Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (*4.12.1784 +13.7.1840); 2m: Augustenburg 22.5.1815 Caroline Amalie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (*28.6.1796 +9.3.1881)

1. FREDERIK VII King of Denmark (1848-63), *Amalienborg 6.10.1808, +Glücksburg 15.11.1863; on his death he was succeeded by Pr Christian of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg; 1m: København 1.11.1828 (div 1837) Wilhelmine Marie of Denmark (*18.1.1808 +30.5.1891); 2m: Neustrelitz 10.6.1841 (div 1846) Caroline Charlotte Marianne of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (*Neustrelitz 10.1.1821, +Neustrelitz 1.6.1876); 3m: (morganatically) at København 7.8.1850 Lovisa Christina, cr Gfn Danner (*København 21.4.1815, +Cannes 6.3.1874)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 11:36:44 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/CarolineAmalie1.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/CarolineAmalie11.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 11:38:16 AM
Here are two portraits of Caroline Amalie if someone is still interested...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 24, 2005, 11:45:46 AM
Thanks for the pics Marc.  :D

The amount of intermarriages between the Danish, Schleswig-Holstein and Hesse-Cassel lines is really amazing . . .
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on August 24, 2005, 03:34:53 PM
Caroline Amalie must have been an excellent Godmother.  Four of her Godchildren used her as a Godmother for their own children.  She had to have been especially generous to Frederik of Denmark as she was chosen for five of his!
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 08:01:48 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/CarolineAmalieDenm.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 08:04:31 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/CarAmalieasakid.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 08:06:18 PM
Caroline Amalie as a child!
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on August 30, 2005, 09:29:19 AM
Caroline Amalie, 1879.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/1700tallet/carolineamalie1879.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on August 30, 2005, 09:37:08 AM
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Did Christian VIII have any other children besides his son and heir Frederick? Not even stillborn babies perhaps?

Christian VIII and his first wife Charlotte had a son who died right after he was born in 1807.
It is also rumored, that Christian and Charlotte had a girl while they were engaged, and the baby was then adopted in secret.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on August 30, 2005, 02:14:54 PM
Why did Christian V111 and Charlotte divorce?  The rumour of a daughter before they married infers that there was an attraction between them.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on August 30, 2005, 03:39:50 PM
They were divorced because Charlotte had an affaire with her singing teacher, and also because she was a very strange person, who caused many scandals at court. At first Christian and Charlotte were very much in love (they were also first cousins btw), but that changed after they got married.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on August 30, 2005, 03:56:41 PM
Kmerov, was Charlotte then banished from Denmark after her adultery?  I believe she died in Rome.    
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on August 30, 2005, 04:09:29 PM
No, at first she was sent to live in Horsens, a small Danish town. She moved into a mansion that once was the home of the siblings of Emperor Ivan VI.
She lived there for I think about 20 years, before moving to Rome. She never saw her son after the divorce.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on August 30, 2005, 04:54:44 PM
Charlotte appears to have gained rather a reputation in a very short time.  I hope she lived a respectable existence from then onwards, for the sake of her son.  

A repeat of Charlotte's situation was that of her niece, Luise of Saxe-Gotha the mother of the Prince Consort, who did not see her two sons again after her divorce: although Luise was never described as a strange character.  

Caroline Amalie has such a kindly expression on her face.  Was the marriage between her and Christian successful, apart from the lack of children?    
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on August 31, 2005, 05:51:24 PM
Frederik VII was the master of scandals himself, so I dont think his mothers reputation, good or bad mattered that much. Frederik liked his mother, and they were very much a like. Much more than him and his father.
Christian VIII and Caroline Amalie had a very happy life together, the only thing missing was the lack of children as you mentioned.
During CVIIIs reign she wasn't popular, but that changed after she became a widow.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on September 01, 2005, 12:28:45 PM
I thank you very much Kmerov.

I have found a statue of Caroline Amalie.

http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/02925316.html (http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/02925316.html)

Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Daniela on September 21, 2005, 02:41:26 AM
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During CVIIIs reign she wasn't popular, but that changed after she became a widow.


Why she was not popular? Because of her mother perhaps?

Daniela
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on September 25, 2005, 11:05:37 AM
No, the main reason was because she was an Augustenborg Princess, and the political tension between the Augustenborg family and the public opinion was very high during her husbands reign.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on October 01, 2005, 03:18:41 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/CharlMeckl.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on October 01, 2005, 03:19:51 PM
Charlotte von Mecklenburg-Schwerin,first wife of Christian VIII!
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on October 02, 2005, 09:29:27 AM
Thank you for all the portraits Marc, you obviously work hard to find them.    

I have copied this from the Rosenborg Castle website.

Christian VIII was the King of Denmark from 1839. His mother was Sophie Frederikke, wife of Christian VII's brother Prince Frederik, the Heir Presumptive. It is widely believed that his father was the Heir Presumptive's aide-de-camp.

Were his sisters and brother considered to be the children of Prince Frederik?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on October 02, 2005, 03:54:24 PM
Yes Marc, thank you for that portrait.
Rosamund, the four children (among them Charlotte, mother of Queen Louise) were all considered to be the children of Sophie Frederikke and Count von Blücher. in a letter Frederik VI calls him the father of the little Princes and Princesses.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Daniela on October 03, 2005, 02:48:35 AM
What kind of health problem Prince Frederik, the Heir Presumptive had?
I've read somewhere that he was hunchbacked! Is that correct?

Daniela
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on October 03, 2005, 12:55:05 PM
Who was Count von Blücher?  Princess Sophie Frederikke seems to have been an unfaithful wife, to say the least, if this is correct.  Was it that she shared the character of her niece Charlotte, or was it tacitly accepted by everyone that her husband was unable to have children and heirs were needed somehow?

I have surmised the latter after reading Daniela's question about health problems.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on October 03, 2005, 03:30:05 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/Wahlstatt.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on October 03, 2005, 03:33:32 PM
This man was a Fieldmarshall and German Prince Gebhart Lebrecht Bluecher von Wahlstatt,one of the heores of Napoleonic was(I think it's Waterloo batle)...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on October 06, 2005, 05:22:33 PM
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What kind of health problem Prince Frederik, the Heir Presumptive had?
I've read somewhere that he was hunchbacked! Is that correct?

Daniela

Yes that is correct. He was mentally and physically weak, but of course not as much as Christian VII. One person said he was like wet wood, what ever that implies. ;)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on October 06, 2005, 05:41:26 PM
Marc, that portrait is of another Blücher.  :)
Sophie Frederikkes lover, count Frederik Von Blücher was an aide-de-camp to Prince Frederik and died about 1806.
Rosamund, Sophie Frederikke was not like her niece. She also enyoyed fun and parties, but was very popular at court.  She was very different  from her dull husband, and I think that it was accepted that she had an affair by those who knew.
After 10 years of marriage the children were born and propably Prince Frederik turned a blind eye to the relationship because he wanted heirs.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on October 07, 2005, 06:17:54 AM
Kmerov,thanks so much for this correction!Is there any chance for you to find any picture or portrait of this Count von Bluecher and tell me something more about him-thanks!?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on October 26, 2005, 05:09:03 AM
Prince Frederik and Sophie were married on 21 Oct 1774.

I have copied this list of their offspring from the site of Leo van de Pas:

1.      Princess NN of Denmark, b. 19 Sep 1781, Castle Frederiksborg, Seeland
2.      Princess NN of Denmark, b. 17 Feb 1783, Copenhagen
3.      Princess Juliane Marie of Denmark, b. 2 May 1784, Copenhagen
4.      Christian VIII, King of Denmark 1839-1848 and Norway 1815, b. 18 Sep 1786, Christiansborg
5.      Princess Juliane Sophie of Denmark, b. 18 Feb 1788, Copenhagen
6.      Princess Louise Charlotte of Denmark, b. 30 Oct 1789, Castle Christiansborg
7.      Prince Fredrik Ferdinand of Denmark, b. 22 Nov 1792, Copenhagen

Do Danish historians consider all of Sophie's pregnancies to be the result of an affair with Count Frederik Von Blücher?    

Did Prince Frederik have any other, illegitimate, children?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 02, 2005, 11:13:13 AM
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Prince Frederik and Sophie were married on 21 Oct 1774.

I have copied this list of their offspring from the site of Leo van de Pas:

1.      Princess NN of Denmark, b. 19 Sep 1781, Castle Frederiksborg, Seeland
2.      Princess NN of Denmark, b. 17 Feb 1783, Copenhagen
3.      Princess Juliane Marie of Denmark, b. 2 May 1784, Copenhagen
4.      Christian VIII, King of Denmark 1839-1848 and Norway 1815, b. 18 Sep 1786, Christiansborg
5.      Princess Juliane Sophie of Denmark, b. 18 Feb 1788, Copenhagen
6.      Princess Louise Charlotte of Denmark, b. 30 Oct 1789, Castle Christiansborg
7.      Prince Fredrik Ferdinand of Denmark, b. 22 Nov 1792, Copenhagen

Do Danish historians consider all of Sophie's pregnancies to be the result of an affair with Count Frederik Von Blücher?    

Did Prince Frederik have any other, illegitimate, children?

No, the children who died shortly after birth are considered to be Frederiks.
I don't think he had any illegitimate children, as far as I have read or can remember...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on November 06, 2005, 05:44:05 AM
As Frederik was able to father children, why did he and Sophie Frederikke not continue to carry on until an heir was produced before she took a lover?  This seems to have been the general situation with royal marriages.  Have biographers found letters or diaries explaining the circumstances?  

The charming painting of Christian and his sisters with their 'parents' appears rather false now.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2005, 08:18:53 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/ChristVIII.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2005, 08:19:50 AM
Portrait of King Christian VIII!
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Rosamund on November 06, 2005, 12:05:40 PM
Many thanks again Mark.  Christian is rather handsome.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 06, 2005, 05:37:07 PM
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As Frederik was able to father children, why did he and Sophie Frederikke not continue to carry on until an heir was produced before she took a lover?  This seems to have been the general situation with royal marriages.  Have biographers found letters or diaries explaining the circumstances?  

The charming painting of Christian and his sisters with their 'parents' appears rather false now.

I don't know if they didn't "continue", but because the first pregnancies ended with weak babies who died, and that changed after ten years of marriage with four healthy babies, their paternity was questioned.
I think that Sophie Frederikke fell in love with Blücher and took him as a lover for that reason.
I am not aware of any letters or diaries explaining the circumstances more than this. Their affair seems to have been very discret.
Sophie and Frederik were very different personalities, but it seems like they respected eachother. And Frederik loved his children.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 06, 2005, 05:43:30 PM
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Kmerov,thanks so much for this correction!Is there any chance for you to find any picture or portrait of this Count von Bluecher and tell me something more about him-thanks!?

This is not the best portrait, and its b/w. I have seen a colour one where you can see the resemblance between him and Christian VIII.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/blucher.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 06, 2005, 05:47:50 PM
And Christian VIII. His dark skin and robust figure was different from the pale and skinny Oldenburgs.
(http:// http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/1700tallet/ch8.jpg)
(http:// http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/1700tallet/gammelchr8.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on November 11, 2005, 10:35:30 AM
Thanks for this Kmerov!Do you know witch way was Count Frederik von Bluecher connected with Prince Gebhard Lebrecht Bluecher von Wahlstatt?And are there any state or some good portraits of Christan VIII's mother,Princess von Mecklenburg-Schwerin and his ''official'' father Prince Frederik?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 12, 2005, 02:37:19 PM
No, I don't know how they were connected.  :-/
Frederik von Blüchers parents emigrated from Germany to Denmark. Thats all I know about his family.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on November 12, 2005, 02:50:15 PM
I don't have any good portraits at the moment, but I will look for them, when I have time...
A b/w of Sophie frederikke.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/1700tallet/rexsophiefrederikke.jpg)

And a family portrait. Sophie Frederikke was said to have the most beautiful brown eyes.
(http:// http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/1700tallet/arvefamilie.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on November 12, 2005, 07:04:47 PM
Thank you Kmerov,if you find some other ones,please post-thanks...  :)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/FerdFred.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2006, 07:58:10 PM
Portrait of Prince Ferdinand Frederik,brother of King Christian VIII...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2006, 07:59:34 PM
Still,no pictures of her?  :'(
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Kevin From Australia on January 17, 2006, 10:23:03 PM
No pictures but she was godmother to the 1st 3 of her Schleswig-Holstein-S-Glucksborg nephews & neices, Frederik (later King Frederik VIII of Denmark), Alexandra (later Queen Alexandra of Great Britain) & Wilhelm (later King Georg I of the Hellenes).
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on January 18, 2006, 06:24:48 AM
Really?Didn't know that...really a pitty there aren't any pictures of her...
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on March 20, 2006, 12:38:42 PM
Two portraits of the coronation in 1841. This was the last coronation of a Danish King.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Kmerov2/older%20royalty/anothercorc8.jpg)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Kmerov2/older%20royalty/coronatc8.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on March 20, 2006, 12:41:06 PM
And a portrait of Christian VIII and one of Caroline Amalie.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Kmerov2/older%20royalty/c8.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Kmerov2/older%20royalty/carolineamalie.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on March 20, 2006, 06:06:58 PM
Wonderful portraits  :) I am just wondering was at that time IN to hold your right hand under your uniform or there is another reason for that?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Zanthia on March 23, 2006, 03:28:14 PM
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No, at first she was sent to live in Horsens, a small Danish town. She moved into a mansion that once was the home of the siblings of Emperor Ivan VI.
She lived there for I think about 20 years, before moving to Rome. She never saw her son after the divorce.


Actually, they did met once. When Frederik VII was king, he went to Rome to see her. They both had many high thoughts and illusions about each other, so when they finally met, they were both a little bit disappointed. After that, they never saw each other again. But when she died, Frederik made sure to give her a tomb fit for a queen.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on March 27, 2006, 08:33:38 AM
My original post seems to have disappeared in the transition!
But I'm quit sure that Charlotte Frederikke didn't see her son after the divorce. She died in 1840, eight years before Frederik became king, but he did give her a grand tomb once he was king.
Charlotte Frederikke met her ex-husband once after the divorce, but not her son.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Zanthia on March 27, 2006, 09:14:42 AM
You're right. I was just sure that I read that they met once somewhere, I must have mixed it up with something else. Even though Christian was very polite and goodhearted, he would'nt have given Frederik permission to go to Rome to visit Charlotte. Sorry about the misinfo.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on April 20, 2006, 02:27:54 PM
Two pictures of Juliane.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/juliane22.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/julianesophiearv.jpg)



Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on April 20, 2006, 07:31:22 PM
Wow,Kmerov thank you I already lost hope!If you find something more about her or her husband's family PLEASE post!Really great you found those pictures!  :)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on April 21, 2006, 08:10:02 AM
You are welcome, marc. :)
Appearently they didn't have the best marriage, and lived apart in periods.

Prince Wilhelm
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/barchfiled1.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on April 21, 2006, 08:35:56 AM
Thanks Kmerov,was this arranged marriage?Do you know were the Berchfeld branch of Hesse family rich and did they live in Germany or in Denmark?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: José on April 21, 2006, 01:09:24 PM
Isn'it a bit odd that the younger sister Charlotte married the head of the family and the elder Juliana married a Prince from a minor branch ?
Can someone post a pic of Wilhelm of Hesse Cassel, father of Queen Louisa pls.

Or had she expressed her "ideas" about consuming marriage before  ::)?
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on April 24, 2006, 07:52:05 AM
It was an arranged marriage. I don't think that the family was very rich. Prince Wilhelm Hesse-Philippstal-Barchfeld was the only one of the family to live in Denmartk, the rest lived in Germany.

Prince Wilhelm of Hesse-Cassel wasn't the head of the family. The head of the family was the Elector of Hesse-Cassel, first his uncle then his cousin.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on April 24, 2006, 07:57:07 AM
Prince, later Landgraf Wilhelm of Hesse-Cassel.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/princwilhelmkasse.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/older%20royalty/Wilhelmhesse.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on September 18, 2006, 01:52:36 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/JulBarchfeld.jpg)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Marc on September 18, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
One more portrait of Juliane Sophie...any portrait of her husband Prince von Hesse-P-Barchfeld?
Title: Re: Christian VIII children
Post by: rpeter on June 13, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
 On Wikipedia online they did a nice job covering King Christian VIII as they do in all the denmark kings. Question is at the bottom of page it has his Legacy on the second line it says quote " He had ten children outside of marriage. He carefully listed them and saw that they were treated well." Anyone know where this list might be if its carefully listed? I cant find a thing online about this. Is this true...must be its in the Encyclopedia.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: kmerov on June 15, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
It is true that he had children born outside of his marriages, and that he looked after them, but I don't know of a specific list. Christian had several affairs with women, resulting in numerous rumours about illegitimate children, such as Danish author, Hans Christian Andersen being one of them.
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: rpeter on September 28, 2010, 08:06:15 PM
Another question for the board. This is going to be a tough question and I've looked all over online for the answer without any luck. Caroline Amelia was childless. Was there a medical problem that kept her from having children. Seems this might be the reason since she was married
early, ( child bearing age). King Christian VIII wanted an heir and I think he knew that his other son from his first marriage King Frederick VII was sterile very early on. The House of Oldenburg was daughtering out. They seemed happily married. No problems there. Anyone have any thoughts on this matter. Thanks
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Превед on May 19, 2014, 04:53:10 PM
Празднование 200-летия Конституции Норвегии продолжается...
вчера королева Дании Маргрете открыла памятник 'королю мая' Кристиану Фредрику Норвегии/ Кристиану VIII Дании перед норвежского парламента в Осло.
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Celebrations of the 200th anniversary of the Constitution of Norway continue...
Yesterday Queen Margrethe of Denmark unveiled a monument to the 'May King' Kristian Fredrik of Norway / Christian VIII of Denmark in front of the Norwegian parliament in Oslo.

See http://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/2134706.html (http://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/2134706.html)
Title: Re: Christian VIII
Post by: Превед on May 19, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
'королю мая'

Correction:  'майскому королю'

While Oslo's main street is named after Kristian Fredrik's antagonist and successor King Carl Johan (Bernadotte), with a huge statue of him on front of the Royal Palace at the top of the street, there has not been a proper memorial to Kristian Fredrik untill now.