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Discussions about Russian History => Russian Noble Families => Topic started by: rpalmgre on October 31, 2018, 05:50:41 AM

Title: Tables of Russian Nobility
Post by: rpalmgre on October 31, 2018, 05:50:41 AM
What are the Tables of Russian Nobility? I am especially interested in Part V.
Title: Re: Tables of Russian Nobility
Post by: Превед on October 31, 2018, 02:52:43 PM
What are the Tables of Russian Nobility? I am especially interested in Part V.

Not quite sure what you mean by "Tables of Russian nobility".

This?
According to this Russian Wikipedia page (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0) on the noble genealogical books I wrote about in the post above, they had six sections:
1. Families ennobled by imperial decree.
2. Families ennobled by military service. (Table of ranks.)
3. Families ennobled by civil service. (Table of ranks.)
4. Naturalized foreign noble families.
5. Titled noble families.
6. Ancient noble families whose origins predate the Petrine reforms.

or the Table of Ranks? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks)
Title: Re: Tables of Russian Nobility
Post by: rpalmgre on October 31, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
I asume that I mean that 6 sections of nobility. This as in Almanach de Gotha 2012 is mentioned in Volume I on page 336 that "According to the Tables of Russian Nobility (Part V), both Maria Vladimirovna and Nicholas Romanovitch ... are the issue of mothers of equal rank and previously by dynasts of equal rank".
Title: Re: Tables of Russian Nobility
Post by: Превед on October 31, 2018, 08:27:22 PM
I asume that I mean that 6 sections of nobility. This as in Almanach de Gotha 2012 is mentioned in Volume I on page 336 that "According to the Tables of Russian Nobility (Part V), both Maria Vladimirovna and Nicholas Romanovitch ... are the issue of mothers of equal rank and previously by dynasts of equal rank".

That doesn't quite make sense. This stuff concerns the nobility, not members of the imperial family. There were no regulations about equal rank in marriage for nobles, like the Pauline / Fundamental Laws had for the imperial family. Maybe the Almanach de Gotha meant that the mothers of these two pretenders belonged to category V of the Russian nobility. But if they did, and not to foreign, mediatized sovereign houses (as was claimed with regard to Maria Vladimirovna's mother), then they would not be considered of equal rank, according to the Pauline / Fundamental Laws.