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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in St. Petersburg => Topic started by: katmaxoz on March 02, 2019, 03:17:14 AM

Title: PoŽlle palace
Post by: katmaxoz on March 02, 2019, 03:17:14 AM
I'm not sure if someone can help me here.  I am researching a fan that was owned by Catherine II.  On the double sided leaf a palace is painted.  It is one of items in the crown jewels sold in 1927. The description is:

"panorama of PoŽlle palace on the banks of the Neva (between St. Petersburg and SchlŁsselburg (Shlisselburg) )"

Does anyone know where this palace might be located in the St. Petersburg area?  It's possible it might have been destroyed since the 18th century.  I've had a good search around google but had no luck in finding this place and don't know of any books on the palaces of Catherine II.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/556053885240808600/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/556053885240808600/)

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/556053885240808597/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/556053885240808597/)

Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
Title: Re: PoŽlle palace
Post by: Превед on March 02, 2019, 11:15:04 AM
"panorama of PoŽlle palace on the banks of the Neva (between St. Petersburg and SchlŁsselburg (Shlisselburg) )"

Does anyone know where this palace might be located in the St. Petersburg area?  It's possible it might have been destroyed since the 18th century.  I've had a good search around google but had no luck in finding this place and don't know of any books on the palaces of Catherine II.

It must be Pella Palace (Russian: Пеллинский дворец - Pellinskiy dvorets) in the town of Otradnoye, 30 km south-east of St. Petersburg, along the Neva. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_Palace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_Palace) The manor was originally called Pallila, presumably a Finnish name, but Catherine the Great renamed it Pella, after Alexander the Great's Macedonian home town, when she bought and built it for her grandson Alexander. So it was intended as the "original Alexander Palace", but was destroyed in the so-called Battle of the Palaces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Palaces)
Title: Re: PoŽlle palace
Post by: katmaxoz on March 02, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
Thank you so much for your quick reply. I'd never even heard of this palace before this. The fan was sold in the 1927 sale of the royal jewels. Interesting that the wikipedia article says its no longer in the hermitage, something I have also been trying to confirm but the hermitage website is giving me problems.
Title: Re: PoŽlle palace
Post by: Превед on March 02, 2019, 03:29:16 PM
Thank you so much for your quick reply. I'd never even heard of this palace before this.

You are welcome. I'd never heard of it either, so it was interesting to discover it, and other palaces involved in the Battle of the Palaces, like majestic Tsaritsyno in Moscow.
Title: Re: PoŽlle palace
Post by: Forum Admin on March 02, 2019, 04:51:17 PM
Wait, am confused. If the fan was sold in Berlin in 1927 with the other Imperial Jewels, why would it "still" be in the Hermitage? It was sold to the West, not sent to the Hermitage.
Title: Re: PoŽlle palace
Post by: katmaxoz on March 02, 2019, 10:27:38 PM
The fan was in part 1 of the Fersman sale catalogue. Most of those items were retained in the Kremlin and not sold (eg the imperial crowns etc).  I wanted to make sure that it wasn't held onto by the Diamond fund along with other items in that part of the sale. This is the only fan in the Fersman catalogue to be photographed in full so they were very aware of it's importance and uniqueness as a historical document. 

I've been trying to track down where it might have gone. First I have to find out if there is any chance it might still be in Russia.  A lot of "lost" fans have turned up as part of various Russian palace collections. They are often overlooked items as they don't have the obvious bling of the big jewels and are "women's stuff".