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Title: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: kmerov on January 31, 2005, 07:13:16 PM
Does anyone have some information on their marriage and divorce?
They both strike me as some what tragic figures...
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on January 31, 2005, 10:54:49 PM
Helen was known as Sitta, not Elisabetha.  Elisabetha and George were married on Feb 27th.  Helen, who was three months pregnant, and Carol, were married in March.

George II's lady friend was named Joyce Brown.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: crazy_wing on February 01, 2005, 03:17:47 AM
Gdella, r u talking about elisabetha or helen?  u seem like u r talking about helen who is also known as sitta.  

I think elisabetha and george met first and then carol + sitta.  their weddings created some problems b/c the orthodox had a rule that the marriages between 2 pairs of siblings have to be within a very short period of time (was it 2 weeks or 2 days?)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 01, 2005, 06:25:24 AM
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Did I call her Elisabetha? I thought I just referred to her as Sitta.  ???

Sitta was Helen.  You referred to Elisabetha as Sitta.  It was a childhood nickname from her siblings who could not pronounce Sister.

I had read that GII's lady was called 'Miss Brown' but didn't know that actually was her last name! It sounded common enough to just be a pseudonym.


Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 01, 2005, 08:20:32 AM
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Does anyone have some information on their marriage and divorce?
They both strike me as some what tragic figures...



I am not sure tragic is the right word.  Elisabetha was a most unpleasant woman, spoiled, self-indulgent, and in desperate need of therapy.  She cared little for others or for her appearance.  She had numerous lovers,  and one of her long term lovers was her banker Alexander Scavani (I think Alexander was the first name), and she was unscrupulous in lining her nest.  Nor could she be trusted.  She allowed her home in  Bucharest to be used by Greek communists plotting the overthrow of the Greek Monarchy.  Neither her nephew or her sister-in-law, Sitta, trusted her.  She was a royal quisling.  In the past year or so, Royalty Digest ran a three part series on Elisabetha.  She thought that she would be allowed to keep her money and her homes and remain in Romania after the communists took over, but she learned quickly that she was not entitled to her $$$ despite her penchant for providing favors.  She lived largely in Cannes - and her last lover, Marc Favrat, was a toyboy.  She asked the then head of the House of Hohenzollern to create Marc a prince, but the Prince of Hohenzollern said Nein.   I would need to look it up, but she said that the only thing she didn't do was murder someone ... I think that is a paraphrase.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 01, 2005, 08:54:17 AM
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Helen, who was three months pregnant, and Carol, were married in March.


I read that Michael was born prematurely. Was that a cover up for the fact that she was pregnant when they married?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 01, 2005, 09:00:31 AM
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I read that Michael was born prematurely. Was that a cover up for the fact that she was pregnant when they married?


Yes, she was most certainly pregnant ...and Michael was hardly premature
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 01, 2005, 09:06:34 AM
Hmmmm....I did think he looked like a chunky, healthy baby in pictures!  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: kmerov on February 01, 2005, 02:42:01 PM
Great info, thank you very much.
I didnt know that Elisabetha was such a bad woman! Maybe king George was the only one of them who was a tragic figure...
His life doesnt seem happy, and he sounds like a nice and down to earth man!
I have read that Elisabetha tried to adopt her butler or something like that, but it didnt work out.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: kmerov on February 01, 2005, 02:44:48 PM
Oh, of course, does anyone have a picture of the couple? I have only seen one, where they are sitting far apart, not looking very happy!
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 01, 2005, 02:48:09 PM

"I have read that Elisabetha tried to adopt her butler or something like that, but it didnt work out.[/quote]


Don't think Favrat was the butler, but he was certainly often in a serving position.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: kmerov on February 01, 2005, 05:37:30 PM
Hehe, well said!
Maybe he is the man i read about, if she tried to adopt him, and i just got the butler thing wrong...
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2005, 05:55:25 PM
Here's the happy couple:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/greece/georgeandelizabethwedding.jpg)

 
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 01, 2005, 06:52:43 PM
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Hehe, well said!
Maybe he is the man i read about, if she tried to adopt him, and i just got the butler thing wrong...


Elisabetha wanted to the head of the house (Hohenzollern)  to give Favrat a title.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on February 24, 2005, 09:25:45 AM
.

George II's lady friend was named Joyce Brown.[/quote]


Am home today - took an extra vacation day (it's snowing hard - worse weather here than in Iceland.)
Am filing some clips, and came across the Washington Post article that I mentioned before

"Romance Rocks another throne"   11-3-1946.  
At the time,  Joyce Brittain-Jones was waiting for Foreign Office approval to go to Greece, and she had the support of the king's sister, Katherine "who had told the foreign office in no uncertain terms that she wishes Mrs. Brittain-Jones to come to Athens as soon as possible and live at the palace as her lady in waiting."

She was educated in France, and in 1924 married Capt. John Brittain-JOnes, an army officer, and was the ADC to the viceroy of India = and she met George II when he visited India in 1935.  She divorced her husband and moved to Greece.   She lived in a summer palace on Mt, Parnis until the king went into exile, and she joined him at Claridges - she also accompanied him on a visit to the USA in 1943.
"during his wartime exile in London, the KIng and Mrs. Brittain Jones were freely received in high British society. She is an intimate friend of George's cousin, the Duchess of Kent."
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: TampaBay on March 01, 2005, 08:08:40 PM
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Yes, she was most certainly pregnant ...and Michael was hardly premature


Marlene,

I am not doubting you but where do you get these fabulous tidbits of Information.

From all I have read about Helen (Sitta) I find surprising.  What was the amount of time between the annoucement of their engagement and their marriage.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 01, 2005, 09:55:57 PM
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Marlene,

I am not doubting you but where do you get these fabulous tidbits of Information.

From all I have read about Helen (Sitta) I find surprising.  What was the amount of time between the annoucement of their engagement and their marriage.



they became engaged in Switzerland, shortly after the death of her brother, Alexander, and they were married on March 10th.

Michael weighed 7lbs when he was born - it was a difficult pregnancy - and he was born on the first anniversary of King Alexander's death.  According to Paul Quinlan (and based on the diaries of Carol II's Secretary, Buhman, Helen was advised to not have another child.)  Quinlan writes that Helen was already 3 and 1/2 months pregnant in May 1921 - and they were married in late March.

No one in the family disputes that Helen pregnant when she married Carol. I can say this because I am friends with several of Michael's daughters, and we've talked about this.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: trentk80 on June 08, 2005, 11:49:46 AM
I read somewhere that Elisabeta was an acomplished musician and painter. Does anyone know more about this?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: kmerov on November 03, 2005, 01:46:35 PM
A picture of the unhappy couple.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Greece/georgeelisabeth.jpg)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2005, 09:04:47 PM
Well...nobody started out being a bad person. George did loved her and she did try to be a wife to him in the begining. However the Greek Royal Family was not kind to her, they deliberately sproke Greek when they all meet up togather when Elisabetta was present.  Even Queen Marie of Romania complained that Queen Sophie was tight with her jewelry (Sitta recieved a lovely Greek Scroll tiara bought from the cash scrap Grand Duchess Kyrill. That piece is still in the family and worn by Princess Margarita, King Michael). "She didn't even let me see them (the jewels)." Elisabetha did recieved some emeralds (not from Sophie) when Queen Olga died and George as King legally inherited them. She used those to make a tiara (which she later sold to King Paul & Queen Frederica).

Yes there is indeed bad blood between Elisabetta & Sitta and once she even slapped her. However when King Michael was reinstated, Elisabetha had to eat humble pie and begged Helen for forgiveness, which the nice Queen Mother did. Although by that time nobody trust ed at that point.  
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on November 03, 2005, 10:42:15 PM
No, no one starts out bad. Elisabeth was pretty much doomed by her childhood--caught in power struggles between her 'grandparents' who spoiled her and her parents who were struggling with their own places and positions. It reminds me a good deal of the Vicky/Willy/Charlotte situation in Germany.

By the time she became a teenage, it seems her character was pretty set. She didn't even try to hide it, proclaiming that she'd committed every sin except one--murder--and she wouldn't mind it before she died.

There's no doubting that the two were spectacularly mismatched. I don't blame Sophie for being tight with the jewels--she had little enough since the Greeks were pretty cash poor by royal standards--and I would've had grave doubts about passing anything on to Elisabeth given her doubts about the marriage. Plus Missy & Sophie were waay different in temperament and not bound to rub up well so I'm sure that marked her opinion of her.

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 04, 2005, 12:37:03 AM
Yet...I think the Greek Royal family did not gave her a chance. A writer named John Wimbles wrote a series of artcles on the now deceased publication called "Royalty Digest" about Elisabetha, I found that well rounded and fair.

She had to take in a lot of crap, once she recieved her inheritance after her father's death. Elisabetha sort of went her own way.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: isabel on November 04, 2005, 02:24:03 AM
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"I have read that Elisabetha tried to adopt her butler or something like that, but it didnt work out.Don't think Favrat was the butler, but he was certainly often in a serving position.


The young french Marc Favrat was the son of a country town butcher, he was born in 1924. He was know in Paris because of his beauty and his interest in fine arts (he was painter).

He knew Princess Elisabeta during a dinner in Cannes , and she pretended to adopted him. Even, she pressed her cousin the Prince of Hohenzollern to recognize him as Prince.

After her death in 1956, Marc continued painting in Cannes, and he used the title sometimes of "Prince of Roumanie" and other times "Prince of Hohenzollern".
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 04, 2005, 12:34:22 PM
Another "Royal favourite" of sorts... I guess
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: QueenEna1887 on November 05, 2005, 11:27:07 PM
I know George and Elisabeth did not have children but this one picture I saw keeps me thinking otherwise. Onhttp://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs8/elisabethromania1894-4.jpg I saw a picture of Elisabeth holding a baby? Who was the baby in that photo?  
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2005, 06:41:12 AM
Cannot open the file...But Elisabetha had never given birth, it must be a nephew or niece. Both her sisters, Mignon and Ileana had children.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on November 07, 2005, 10:40:48 PM
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Cannot open the file...But Elisabetha had never given birth, it must be a nephew or niece. Both her sisters, Mignon and Ileana had children.




Elisabetha did suffer a miscarriage, however
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:48:39 PM
How sad.  :(

Do you know if she actually wanted to have children? She doesn't strike one as the most maternal but you never know. Perhaps having a child would've softened her somewhat?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2005, 08:46:36 AM
Perhaps her marriage to George can be saved if shr did have a child to nuture...
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on November 22, 2005, 11:31:09 AM
God forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!if she had a child he wouldn't have been a happy one,that's for sure!!!!:(:(with such a cold mother:(:(Elisabeth was as cold as ice unfortunately for poor George
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on November 22, 2005, 01:31:53 PM
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God forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!if she had a child he wouldn't have been a happy one,that's for sure!!!!:(:(with such a cold mother:(:(Elisabeth was as cold as ice unfortunately for poor George
Laura



She may been cold for George -- but she had a more than active sex drive, with divers lovers.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2005, 05:35:10 PM
I think she was selfish even as a child...hard to imagine her as mother... :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on November 23, 2005, 03:08:56 PM
and she was extremely vicious too,bad example for a child...God Forbid again and again...i'm pleased she did not have children ,she simply wasn't born for that >:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on November 23, 2005, 03:16:15 PM
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I think she was selfish even as a child...hard to imagine her as mother... :(


she envied her sister Marioara,she even tried to seduce Alexander(after Mignon gave birth to her first son),can you imagine????????and Marioara said to her mother that" Elisabeth wanted to take from her everything she ever had"
it seems Elisabeth wasn't born to be sister neither:(:(
i wonder what for she was born???
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on November 24, 2005, 12:47:42 AM
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it seems Elisabeth wasn't born to be sister neither:(:(
i wonder what for she was born???
Laura


For her own pleasure!! :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on November 24, 2005, 03:48:15 AM
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For her own pleasure!! :)



and to make (together with her "brilliant"brother)her family suffer >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2005, 11:07:52 AM
Well...She and Carol were close even as children.   :( I guess both of them are selfish in a sense.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2005, 08:58:56 PM
That is why Missy was closer to Ileana and Mignon than her elder offsprings. To be fair, Elisabetta was spoiled by her father and grandmother, Infanta Antoina (she did resembled her grandmother in looks).  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Bernardino on December 10, 2005, 12:32:19 PM
Yes she resembled her grandmother...Though not as pretty (I mean if they were the same age  ;))...

But I thought Elisabeth was brought up by Queen Marie (Carmen Sylva) !!!

So she was spoiled by Infanta Dona Antonia?



Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 10, 2005, 02:15:24 PM
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But I thought Elisabeth was brought up by Queen Marie (Carmen Sylva) !!!





Queen Marie is not Carmen Sylva   :o :o
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 07:09:33 PM
Yes...Carman Slvia was "Aunty", Queen Elisabeth of Romania. Both Infanta Antonia & Queen Elisabeth spoiled the girl, and her beauty also gave Elisabetta a vanity that would not have existed otherwise.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 02:49:36 AM
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Yes...Carman Slvia was "Aunty", Queen Elisabeth of Romania. Both Infanta Antonia & Queen Elisabeth spoiled the girl, and her beauty also gave Elisabetta a vanity that would not have existed otherwise.  :(



i don't think she was that beautiful,i rather prefer Mignon's beauty and Ileana too
Elisabeth was "Nando's daughter"and who would regard Nando as a beautiful man??
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2005, 07:57:31 AM
No...Elisabetta's beauty was admitted by her mother Missy, and so was her selfishness. I think she takes after her grandmother Infanta Antonia (who was an acknowledged beauty) who was spoiled and have less regard for others. She was into intrigue as well, as she pitted each daughter-in-law against the other, Missy noted that in her autobio... :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 09:43:36 AM
maybe...but anyway she was too fat for my taste:(
Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Bernardino on December 11, 2005, 12:59:50 PM
Sometimes I feel one must think that everything that Missy has told was true...can´t she just have hated her mother-in-law?

We only get one version of the facts...she might have been a great Queen and woman, but she wasn't the owner of the truth... ::)


Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
no i don't think Marie hated her mother-in -law,do you really believe this?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: ilyala on December 11, 2005, 02:00:45 PM
first of all, everyone talks about elizabeth's beauty and i don't get why. out of all three she looks the ugliest to me. ileana is much more beautiful while mignon is pretty. elizabeth is just plain ugly (there are some good pictures of her but most of them she has those huge brows and cold look and that strange hair and that awfully white skin... i would not be surprised if she opened her mouth and a pair of vampire teeth came out :P).  she may have been a pretty child (and she was, although i don't like all her childhood photos either, i think mignon looked much better) but as a woman... urgh...

second of all, marie did not hate her mother in law, but she didn't have a good opinion of her either. she said at some point that when she married nando, antonia used her to make the other daughter in law jealous with the amount of attention missy was getting. and then used the same tactic with nando's younger brother's wife. marie liked leopold a lot better. :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Bernardino on December 11, 2005, 02:55:48 PM
 

Well I don´t believe it in the sense that I don´t know what the truth was...As I said I find Missy an extraordinary Queen and Woman, but sometimes there seems to be an aura of infalibility around her...but still what a great Queen...

I've only noticed now that in a previous message I wrote Marie to say Elisabeth (Carmen Sylva)...Ooops...Marie was her little daughter...

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: ilyala on December 11, 2005, 05:21:48 PM
no way. i'm pretty sure anyone who reads her memoires can tell that she was very biased about a lot of things. i discussed this in another thread: i think she was a little arrogant, she thought too highly of herself. true, she had a lot to show for and it's also true that a good ruler needs confidence, but i think she went a little too far with it. i also think that while she saw everybody's faults very well, she failed to see her own. i have not seen anyone described by her in a way that could be called totally wrong. she always made good points, but sometimes she exaggerated them and she had a way of placing herself above the ones she was talking about which doesn't appeal to me much. i'm sure she was a charming person, though, too many people have reported her as such :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2005, 10:20:17 AM
Well..like any human being, Missy have her faults as well. However as you said, she was a keen judge of character as well. She appreciated her mother-in-law and Elisabetta's dark, Portuguese beauty. However she saw through their faults as well.  :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2005, 02:49:11 AM
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Portuguese beauty.

Portuguese?? I'd say basically Coburg and Hohenzollern! ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 03:19:21 AM
No... she has Braganza blood as well...Remember she was a Portuguese Infanta.  :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on December 13, 2005, 08:52:44 AM
Who? The referenced quote refers to Elisabeth's Portuguese beauty. She would've been the granddaughter of an Infanta. Is the 'she' referring to Antonia or Elisabeth?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2005, 10:08:36 AM
Furstin Antonia was born a Portuguese Infanta, although his father was a Prince of the House of Coburg, her mother was from the Portuguese dynasty of Braganza. Antonia seemed to inheirited the darks lPortuguese looks, while her sister Maria Ana looks more Coburg. As Elisabetta looked more like her grandmother, her looks can be described as Portguese as well.  ;D
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 13, 2005, 02:04:45 PM
well,i don't like Antonia's beauty nor Elisabeth's

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on December 14, 2005, 01:16:20 AM
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No... she has Braganza blood as well...Remember she was a Portuguese Infanta.  :)


Sure she had Bragansa blood! But she looked like a Coburg, her father was a Coburg guy from Germany  ;)! Actually she reminds me her cousin Ferdinand of Bulgaria! Though...he had a resemblance to his Bourbon mother more... :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2005, 09:36:02 AM
Yes...Although the dark looks did came from Portugal. it could also have came from that the Kohary bloodline which they both shared. Prince Albert's Coburg line did not produce "that" look.  8)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 14, 2005, 05:41:04 PM
back to Elisabeth and George...did George  love this awfull lady in the beginning of their marriage???

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2005, 07:53:11 PM
Yes...unfortunately...Very deeply... :'(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 15, 2005, 12:55:33 AM
i wonder how can anyone love such a creature???i can't imagine such thing ???

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on December 15, 2005, 02:21:57 AM
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i wonder how can anyone love such a creature???i can't imagine such thing ???

Laura


Yes, a subject  for psycho-analysis  :D.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: ilyala on December 15, 2005, 02:46:34 AM
love in those days, especially between royals and nobles was different. maybe george saw her and thought she was beautiful (many did, but that's beyond me) and thought himself in love. think about the fact that they lived in different countries, they probably saw each other once a year or something. he didn't have time to know her before marrying her
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 07:16:01 AM
Elisabetta had that kind of sad beauty that George loved. In fact he had asked her to marry her many times, until she finally said yes.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Frederika on December 15, 2005, 02:56:39 PM
Did Queen Eliza only have the emeralds arfter Queen Olga died? she also had  a pearl tiara as well but i dont no were it went.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on December 15, 2005, 03:02:16 PM
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Elisabetta had that kind of sad beauty that George loved. In fact he had asked her to marry her many times, until she finally said yes.  :(


Unfortunate, isn't it? To want something so badly and finally get it only to have it be exactly the opposite of what you hoped for--namely a happy marriage to a person who loved you. Poor man.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 15, 2005, 04:15:17 PM
well he wasn't a great man either...but he was better than her

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2005, 08:08:56 PM
Elisabetta did try to be a "good" wife for awhile, but George was away at war so much. The family ( immediate one)was not friendly either, they lapse into Greek whenever she tried to join in their conversation.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on December 20, 2005, 06:57:29 AM
I always have a good laugh looking at Elisabetta in this picture!! Funny hat and glare!! Marie, Ileana and Mignon looks like pretty nice calm creatures..but Elisabetta..as a bird of prey  emerging from its eyrie! ;D


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/mariedrs.jpg)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: ilyala on December 20, 2005, 08:20:17 AM
how anyone can say that elisabeta looks better than mignon is beyond me. look how pretty mignon is!
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 20, 2005, 01:37:37 PM
Great photo ,i haven't seen it before...where do you have it from?? ???
Marioara is so sweet :D
What happened to Elisabeth???she looks as if...she changed her "orientation" ;D

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 21, 2005, 01:25:17 PM
i don't know why but to me she looks as if she were the mother...and her three daughters are seated in front of her ;D Marie looks younger than her daughter...odd thing... :-/

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 21, 2005, 01:28:00 PM
how could i state Mignon resembles Elisabeth :-[ :-[ :-[
they were so different...i needed this photo in order to realize this difference

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2005, 08:22:14 PM
I think Ileana was the most well rounded beauty of Missy's three daughters.  :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 23, 2005, 07:49:45 AM
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I think Ileana was the most well rounded beauty of Missy's three daughters.  :)



yes she was so pretty...and Marioara too:)i love her hat,she is so sweet in this photo :D :D :D

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Svetabel on December 23, 2005, 08:19:44 AM
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yes she was so pretty...and Marioara too:)i love her hat,she is so sweet in this photo :D :D :D

Laura


Yeah, everyone is sweet except Elisabeta  ;D
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 23, 2005, 07:27:52 PM
though many consider her beautiful ??? ??? ???

Laura
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: ilyala on December 27, 2005, 02:22:38 AM
i think mignon looks better in this one
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on December 27, 2005, 01:12:26 PM
i think they both look great in this photo :D

Laura:)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2005, 09:08:03 PM
Well...To be totally honest it is not the greatest photo for all involved. But Elisabatta looked the worst !  :(
Title: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: tftl on January 12, 2006, 05:43:09 PM
Hi, i am new to this site. and only found it by luck. i have some photos of King george's funeral and of princess katherine and richard brandrams wedding. these are in a old photo album and i have no idea who took the photos. i have had this album for years and have never looked into the origin of them. If anyone is intrested in looking at these photos i will post them..
Title: Re: King george ll funeral photos 1947
Post by: ilyala on January 13, 2006, 03:48:02 AM
i would be interested in seeing the photos :)
Title: Re: King george ll funeral photos 1947
Post by: tftl on January 13, 2006, 05:18:56 AM
Hi these are the funeral photos. o6/o4 1947


http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21bo.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15xx2.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31fh.jpg
Title: Re: King george ll funeral photos 1947
Post by: tftl on January 13, 2006, 05:24:41 AM
This picture shows the Queeen, Irene, Katherine,sofia and constantine dated 21/04/1947


http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=51hp.jpg


http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=73va.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=82xr.jpg
Title: Re: King george ll funeral photos 1947
Post by: ilyala on January 13, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
thank you very much, great photos :D
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Frederika on April 01, 2006, 04:30:13 PM
i just relised Giorgios II gied 59 years ago to day
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: trentk80 on April 02, 2006, 12:18:10 AM
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How sad.  :(

Do you know if she actually wanted to have children? She doesn't strike one as the most maternal but you never know. Perhaps having a child would've softened her somewhat?

After two years of marriage and no children, Missy wrote to her daughter suggesting this but Elisabetta answered: "You say, if only I could have a child? Yes, Mama dear, I would like to have one but for the moment there are three obstacles. First of all, my nerves are not quite in the condition they ought to be... second, the situation combined with both our shaky nerves makes things very risky and in such conditions it would be unfair on the future life to give such a bad beginning. Thirdly there is the question of money. We can only just scrape through with what we have got."
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: TampaBay on April 02, 2006, 07:23:46 AM
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how anyone can say that elisabeta looks better than mignon is beyond me. look how pretty mignon is!

As a child Elizabeth was very beautiful.  It was a striking time beuty.  As Elizabeth and MIgnon matured there is doubt that Mignow was the prettier of the two.

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 22, 2007, 08:22:55 AM
Queen Elisabeth of Greece

Marie Of Romania
circa 1905: The children of King Ferdinand and Queen Marie of Romania at Buckingham Palace, London. Princess Marie (1900 - 1961, left), who later married King Alexander Karadjordjevic I of Yugoslavia; Princess Elisabeth, who married King George II of Greece; and young Prince Nicholas. (Photo by W. & D. Downey/Getty Images)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3296952.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=C06051C8BA2A5A2C335F6E34AA4AEAFA)

Princess Elisabeth
Princess Elisabeth of Romania (1894 - 1956), who married George II, King of the Hellenes in 1921. (Photo by W & D Downey/Getty Images)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/2634027.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=B43C13524355E9285ADBABBAE89FBA38)

Royal Christening
1st October 1923: The christening of Crown Prince Peter of Serbia (1923 - 1970). Attending are King Alexander Karadjordjevic of Serbia (1868 - 1934), Queen Eliza (Elisabeth) of Greece, Queen Marie of Romania (1875 - 1938) with the baby, King Ferdinand of Romania (1865 - 1927), the Duke of York (1895 - 1952) and the Duchess of York (1900 - 2002) . (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)
Use information

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3285510.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4F84C7EF07395AB6DA3DD82399C73D65)

King Of Greece
circa 1930: The ex King George of Greece (1890 - 1947) with his Queen, formerly Princess Elisabeth of Romania. (Photo by General Photographic Agency/Getty Images)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3426865.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=D278A15CF533E62CCCCFF454EA60ACAD)

Queen Marie's Funeral
23rd July 1938: The coffin of Queen Marie of Romania (1875 - 1938) being carried through Bucharest. Following it are King Carol II, his sister Elisabeth the ex-Queen of Greece, Prince Nicholas, Archduke Anton, Archduchess Ileana and Crown Prince Michael (later King Michael of Romania). (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3294763.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=C06051C8BA2A5A2C09C46824C0396080)

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 22, 2007, 08:45:59 AM
Queen Elisabeth of Greece, Princess of Romania

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU037590.jpg?size=67&uid={37e972a6-f7cd-4127-b093-2731fc711437})

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 23, 2007, 06:59:16 AM
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/George_II_b.jpg?t=1172235158)

King George II

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/elisabethroumania1894-5.jpg?t=1172235266)

Queen Elisabeth

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/elisabethroumania1894-12.jpg?t=1172235425)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/elisabethroumania1894-20.jpg?t=1172235457)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/elisabethroumania1894-19.jpg?t=1172235500)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/Princess_Elisabeth.jpg?t=1172235527)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 23, 2007, 07:42:20 AM
(http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8927/untitled3el23pf.jpg)

(http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6809/untitled4el6tw.jpg)

George II, Queen Elisabeth, one of her sisters Maria or Ileana

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs12/elisabethroumania1894-7.jpg)

Queen Elisabeth

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs12/elisabethroumania1894-2.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120411.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120417.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110293.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110290.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110296.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120324.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110298.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110297.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120359.jpg)  8)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on February 23, 2007, 02:37:54 PM
in the second pic the sister is Maria ' Mignon'  :) Ileana was a child at that time  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 23, 2007, 03:26:34 PM
(http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/piclib/images/%5CMID%5C0330001644_5mb.jpg)

Queen Elisabeth with her mother Queen Marie and sister Queen Maria Mignon

(http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/graphics/marieschildren1.jpg)

Elisabetha and Mignon

(http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/graphics/marieschildren2.jpg)

Elisabeth with her parents and brother Carol and sister Mignon
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on February 23, 2007, 03:27:16 PM
This may have been discussed already, but I recently read in Zeepvat's "Queen Victoria's Family" that Queen Elisabeth divorced the King even though he adored her.  And that she was a very difficult, selfish person who often was a thorn in the side of her nephew, Michael.  

Is there any particular reason that Elizabeth chose to end the marriage and return to Romani?  I have often read that Queen Marie's children were considered spoiled by some.  Was it because of this or infidelity? ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
Maybe ! Missy was known to be an indulgent mother.

Love the photos of Elisabetta wrting letters...were they taken in Romania ?  ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 24, 2007, 06:06:48 AM


I can imagine that King George II adored her, she had such a beautiful, fascinating face, but she looks quite cold and scary too. I would like to know why exactly they got divorced as well.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
One reason was the sides they took in the Helene/Carol divorce. George was supportive of his sister, while Elisabetta was of her brother Carol.  ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Teddy on February 27, 2007, 06:32:12 AM
Basilforever,

Where did you got all those lovely photo's? Are they from a book?

Gr. Teddy
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2007, 08:03:51 PM
Looks like they came a photo archieve...Are they from Kent University too ? (Just a guess).  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on February 28, 2007, 07:06:37 AM
Many are from ebay, old postcards, various internet sites, some old threads. I find Queen Elisabeth to be quite fascinating actually.

Does anyone know, has anyone ever written a biography of Q. Elisabetha?  ???

Also are there any grand portraits painted of her as Queen, as there were for Olga, Sophie, Amalia, etc.?  ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2007, 07:39:06 PM
The closest thing of a bio on Elisabetta was a series of articles written by John Wimbles for Royalty Digest on her.  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on February 28, 2007, 10:56:45 PM
They're great articles--lots of quotes from letters she wrote to her mother about her life in Greece. They can be ordered from Royalty Digest still even though they're from several years ago.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2007, 07:02:44 PM
Yes...I was very previdged to know John Wimbles. A man of great intelligence and expert on Romanian Royals. He will be speaking again at the annual Royalty Digest Conferences in Ticehurst this year. Looking forward to more letters... :D :D :D
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: TampaBay on March 09, 2007, 05:54:20 AM
I think Elizabeth also received a parure of emeralds from Queen Sophie.  ??? ??? ???

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 09, 2007, 09:03:13 AM
Would that be the one that she had the 'E's' put into the Tiara? Queen Anne Marie often wears it today. That's a stunning emerald parure, I love it.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2007, 08:35:13 PM
No...Elisabetta got the emeralds fropm Georgie after Queen Olga left them for him in her will. Queen Sophie did not give her daughter-in-law any jewels. Queen Marie complained about Sophie's meanness to her daughter 'At least I gave her (Sophie's daughter Helen) daughter a tiara (The Greek Key bought from Ducky)".  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 12, 2007, 03:16:03 PM
Interesting.

I don't think Queen Sophie liked Queen Elisabeth much at all. Perhaps it had something to do with Elisabeth's failure to have a child and heir. That must have been quite disappointing.

And did Elisabeth even try to become pregnant? Or did she not want any children?

What is the Greek Key bought from Ducky tiara? Is it this one worn today by Princess Margarita of Romania:

(http://www.princeradu.ro/img/files_up/1146570349C%2022.jpg)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2007, 08:09:24 PM
Yes that is the one. Elisabetta also reset the emeralds to create the tiara today worn by Queen Anne Marie of Greece. it was made into two "E"s intertwind into the design. I think she either sold it or gave it to Princess Frederika, who married King Paul.  ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 12, 2007, 10:57:16 PM
The emerald 'E for Elizabeth' tiara

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/jewels/greece20annem20emerald20tiara1.jpg)

On one of Ursula's jewel pages, she writes:

"Unfortunately one does not know what happened to this unusually large emerald and there are no photographs of Queen Olga wearing it. Prince Christopher remembered, however, that his mother, gave this marvelous stone to her oldest son Constantine for the celebrations of his silver wedding anniversary. In her will Queen Olga left (1926) a garniture of jewelry to each of her children: The rubies went to Prince Nicolas, the turquises went to Prince Christopher. The emeralds were left to King Constantine I. at the time he already had died(1923), his wife, Queen Sophie never owened this emeralds. Therefore they were given to his eldest son. King George II must have left the emeralds to King Paul....Queen Elizabeth later wore the jewels, as a headband with a central emerald and floral ornaments and as very long earrings in the art deco style. The next illustration shows the addition of further oval cabochons and floral ornaments rising from a base of round diamonds. After a further change, one can recognize the final form, as a kokoschnik frame composed of interlaced "E" for Elizabeth in diamond, and the large cabochons between them. Her sister, Marie of Yugoslavia, had a similar tiara, here can one clearly recognize it. Unfortunately I could not find a picture of Queen Elizabeth wearing the brooch. "

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-emeralds-1.htm

On another page, you can see Elizabeth in the tiara:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-emeralds-4.htm
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 02:13:37 AM
The Greek Royal Family's Emeralds are so amazing - such large drops and so perfect.

It also says -

Queen Olga Konstantinovna
Along with her dolls, Queen Olga of Greece, born a Russian Grand Duchess, brought these wonderful emeralds from Russia as part of her dowry when she married into the Greek royal family at the age of 16. The second picture above shows her regally dressed and adorned with the splendid emeralds. One can easily recognize the large drops and the oval cabochon as a brooch on the dress and in the kokoschnik, as well as five round cabochons as part of the choker which were later turned into a brooch.

Her son prince Christopher later said : My mother possessed some perfect emeralds, including a cabochon as big as a bird's egg. When I was eighteen, I borrowed it to wear at a masked ball in Athens, to which I had been invited. The guests came in historical Polish costumes and the jewel was an important accessory. She gave me the stone, warning me several times to take great care of it. I had fastened it as brooch to my hat. The last notes of the mazurka played and I was talking with my friends, when my sister-in-law, Princess Nicolas came over to me and said: " The emerald on your hat is the largest I have ever seen. Can I look at it?" As soon as she took it from my hands, the stone came apart from its brooch setting and fell to the ground. Emeralds, unlike diamonds, are very fragile jewels and can shatter like glass. We stood stiff as stone as we watched the jewel roll on the carpet, toward the marble floor and feared the worst. Words cannot describe, how relieved I was, when I saw it stop its course, unharmed."

In the first picture, Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna 1830-1911, Olga's mother, wearing this magnificent emerald set.


Queen Elizabeth later wore the jewels, as a headband with a central emerald and floral ornaments and as very long earrings in the art deco style.

The next illustration shows the addition of further oval cabochons and floral ornaments rising from a base of round diamonds. After a further change, one can recognize the final form, as a kokoschnik frame composed of interlaced "E" for Elizabeth in diamond, and the large cabochons between them. Her sister, Marie of Yugoslavia, had a similar tiara, here can one clearly recognize it. Unfortunately I could not find a picture of Queen Elizabeth wearing the brooch.



I love how the emeralds can be worn in so many different ways. In the second link you can see all the different ways that Queen Anne Marie wears these amazing emeralds. For King Harald's recent birthday party Her Majesty wore the diamond necklace with three large drops hanging down, but sometimes a  brooch/stomacher with more large drops is worn as well.
I think there is seven large emerald drops altogether and at least nine other large circular ones. I'm glad the Greek Royal Family still have all of these emeralds.



Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 02:27:14 AM
Go to this link to see Queen Elizabeth's amazing ''Sapphire Sautoir",

an amazing sapphire and diamond necklace which I don't think the G. R. Family have any more.  :( Hopefully, someone can tell me otherwise, but I don't think I've seen Q. A.M. wearing it.

And there is some great pictures of Elisabeth as well.

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-sapphires-necklace.htm
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 02:28:12 AM
Royal Sapphires Cartier Sautoir
The name sapphire comes from the Greek word "sappheiros" for blue, above an art deco sautoir made by Cartier with 2 cabochons of blue sapphires, one eggshaped star-sapphire with 311 ct and the gem of 39,13 ct.

Princess Elisabeth of Romania ( 1894 -1956) was the Queen Consort of King George II of Greece. She was the daughter of King Ferdinand I of Romania and his wife, Queen Marie. On 27 February 1921, she married the future King George, then Crown Prince, in Bucharest, but the marriage was not a success and ended in divorce in 1935. As a wedding present she got this amazing sapphire necklace from her parents.

Queen Marie was able to assist those of her relatives who had lost fortune and power in Russia. She did so with great tact and diplomacy, and was indeed one of the few European sovereigns to demonstrate genuine solidarity with the deposed royal families.
Her younger sister, Victoria Melita, Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and now Grand Duchess Kirill, was among thos who benefited.

The wife of Grand Duke Kirill, eldest son of Grand Duchess Wladimir, her fortune was now limited to her jewelry. At that time the European market was inundated with precious stones from Germany, Russia and Austria and anyone whishin to sell their jewerlry rarely ottained a fair price. Grand Duchess Victoria Melita got this sautoir from her husband in 1911.


A few weeks later, Marie of Romania puchased another piece of her sister`s jewelry, this time a diamond tiara with Greek key motifs. It was intended für Princess Helen of Greece, who in spring 1921 wed her son, Crown Prince Carol of Romania.

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 02:31:24 AM
CARTIER PEARL TIARA
A bandeau-style tiara, made by Cartier. Worn by Queen Marie of Romania. Later the tiara went to her daughter, Queen Elisabeth of Greece who wears it at the coronation of her parents as King and Queen of (the enlarged) Romania in 1922erlen | Pearls


(http://www.royal-magazin.de/romania/tiara/tiara-pearls.jpg)

Where is this tiara now, and what happened to Queen Marie's long pearl necklaces which went to the Greek Royal House as well?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 13, 2007, 02:57:59 AM
The pearl and diamond tiara was part of a cashe of jewels that was deposited to a bank in Russia. After the Russian revolution it was confescated by the Bolshevikes. The similar fate happened to VMH's jewels. Although her pearl tiara survived because she had already given it to her daughter Alice at the time of her marriage. She later lent it back to wear in certain occations. Great that the page had Elisabetta wearing the "E" emerald tiara and saphire satoir. I haven't seen a postcard of those two images anywhere and is desperate to get one for my own research.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 07:54:53 AM
What about the Sapphire Sautoir? Do you know where it is now?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2007, 09:58:24 AM
I had written this on another thread:

Missy purchased the sapphires because she had lost almost all her jewelry in Russia where it had, ironically, been sent for safekeeping in 1916. Post-war, despite repeated diplomatic demands, it all just disappeared. QM was devastated and wrote to a friend that her jewels had been part of her dowry and 'my father died in debt. These jewels were all I had'.

After WW1, due to QM's heroic behavior during WW1 and her popularity w/the Romania public, Nando gave her carte blanche to replenish her collection.

She also purchased a tiara of Miechen's composed of 5 large sapphires (QM had the central one replaced with an even larger one).  As for the famous sautoir (and that sapphire WAS 478 carats--unbelievable!) it was left to King Michael who eventually had to sell it in exile. She had purchased the long diamond sautoir with the huge sapphire for 3,375,000 francs (in 1920s money!  :o ). A purchase this large had to be cleared with KF and her made arrangements to pay for the sapphire in 4 annuities, the last being in 1924.

The tiara was left to Ileana who eventually sold it to an American jeweler.  I think the sautoir was worn by King Michael's wife Anne at their wedding. The sapphire had already been sold. The sapphire was eventually bought by a Greek billionaire in 1948 who later gave it to Queen Frederica of Greece. She had it mounted to a pendant which later became the centerpiece of a necklace. There's a photo of QF wearing the necklace  for her 25th wedding anniversary. The sapphire itself sold in 2003 for $1,494,480.

tiara and diamond & sapphire necklace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Vladimir720Romania.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Irene20et20Frederika1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/queenmariessapphire1.jpg)

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2007, 10:07:39 AM
Interesting.

I don't think Queen Sophie liked Queen Elisabeth much at all. Perhaps it had something to do with Elisabeth's failure to have a child and heir. That must have been quite disappointing.

And did Elisabeth even try to become pregnant? Or did she not want any children?


From earlier in the thread:


After two years of marriage and no children, Missy wrote to her daughter suggesting this but Elisabetta answered: "You say, if only I could have a child? Yes, Mama dear, I would like to have one but for the moment there are three obstacles. First of all, my nerves are not quite in the condition they ought to be... second, the situation combined with both our shaky nerves makes things very risky and in such conditions it would be unfair on the future life to give such a bad beginning. Thirdly there is the question of money. We can only just scrape through with what we have got."

and

Elisabetha did suffer a miscarriage, however
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 10:28:44 AM
Thanks GDE, but I am  :-\ under the impression that Elisabeth's sapphire sautoir is different from that single huge sapphire that used to be in the Greek Royal Family.  The picture of the sautoir showed it with a couple of sapphire circular stones, not a huge square sapphire.  :-\

Also, does anyone know if this miscarriage Elisabeth suffered occured far along in the pregnancy, so that it was a stillbirth type of occurence, or was it very early in the pregnancy? Was it a boy or girl?

Was she very upset by this?

(http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/tiara/greece-sapphires-necklac-09.jpg)

See, here's a sliver of the picture. It is totally different to that other large sapphire. This one had more than one sapphire in it and they were round, not square.

I'm pretty sure that the Sapphire Sautoir Queens Marie and Frederika are shown wearing is different from Elisabeth's sapphire sautoir.

(http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/tiara/greece-sapphires-necklac-06.jpg)

Look at the top of this picture slice above. You can see Queen Elisabeth wearing her sapphire sautoir. It is differet from the one you are talking about GDE, it is a different shape. What do you think?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2007, 10:43:47 AM
I see what you're saying. I was thinking of the different sapphire sautoir. I didn't see the first post you made on it with the link to Ursula's page.

From the page showing Victoria Melita wearing it:

"When in 1921 Queen Marie of Romania, sister of Victoria Melita, was looking to compose her daughters wedding trousseaux, she bought that diamond sautoir from which a huge egg-shaped cabochon sapphire, weighing three hundred and eleven carats, was supended. This Cartier creation marked the wedding from Princess Elizabeth and Crown Prince Georg of Greece."

There's no information on what happened to it after Elizabeth got it though.

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2007, 11:02:18 AM
From an old web site (I don't think it's around anymore)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/QUEENE1a.jpg)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 13, 2007, 01:23:31 PM
Yes the Greek Royal Family definitely had two magnificent sapphire sautoir necklaces  :o - one a large square and one a large egg shaped one that had more than one sapphire in it, both on amazing diamond necklaces. Both were amazing pieces, but I prefer Elisabeth's it is truly gorgeous and so timeless in fashion. Both are no longer owned by the Gr. R. Family unfortunately I think it is safe to say.  :(

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-sapphires-necklace.htm

Does anyone have any more information about Q. Elisabeth's pregnancy?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 13, 2007, 04:46:44 PM
According to an interview in the Times of London, the miscarriage happened in the 2nd year of George's reign.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 13, 2007, 08:07:28 PM
Yes...sadly the satoir is gone from the family. I think Elisabetta also lost a large amount of jewels. When she went into exile, she was only allowed 10 items of jewelry (much she had to leave behind...including a tiara supositely came from her grandmother Marie Coburg and even her own portrait by De Laszlo)... :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 14, 2007, 01:05:46 AM
Do you mean Eric, when she went into exile from Romania where she went after the divorce?

That's very sad she had to leave behind those treasures. She must of had many treasures, to not count a tiara from Marie Coburg in the top ten.

And then did she go from Romania to France?

GDE, do you have a copy of this interview? Does it say how far along the miscarriage occured? The second year of George's reign - was that 1923? I think he was deposed that year, must of been very stressful for them and perhaps that provoked the miscarriage?  ???

Does anyone know what Elisabeth's place in France - Villa Rose Alba was like?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2007, 03:35:35 AM
No...I think she was kicked out of Romania by the Reds (I believe). Even though she was promised that she could take ALL her belongings into exile. She was stopped on the border and the bulk of her jewels (she was allowed only 10 items) and belongings were confescated there and then. Somone told me years later people saw Elisabetta's jewels and her De Laszlo portrait inside the house of the Romanian Dictator. Nobody knows where the stuff is now... :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 14, 2007, 07:19:55 AM
Mmm, Terrible and Tragic! If anybody locates those items I think they should be returned to her nephew King Michael, and the Greek Jewels should be given to the Greek King!

Can anyone answer the other questions I asked earlier?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 14, 2007, 03:04:36 PM
Miscarriage  .. if the sex was known, it was not made public ... Elisabeth did not take care of herself  - and she was a rather difficult woman.  It is well known that she was a nymphomaniac, and she did all she could to undermine her own family.  Her marriage was doomed to failure, as she and George had nothing in common.  George would have been better off marrying his cousin Zia (they remained good friends), but Elisabeth was a female dog ... this is an understatement.  When she returned to Romania to live, she obtained great wealth - her lover was also her banker - convenient.  Neither Michael nor Helen trusted her.  She allowed her home to be used by Greek communists planning the overthrow of the Greek monarchy.  She colloborated with the communists.  They assured her that she would be able to stay and keep her wealth ... of course, that was not going to happen, and she and Ileana (the red princesses) were tossed out of the country with the bare minimum, after Michael's discomfiture.

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2007, 07:43:47 PM
Yes. But reading John Wimbles's articles on RD, one get to know the young and more naive Elisabetta. She told the love sick Prince George of Greece many times she will not make a good wife, but still he persued her (in a way he got what he bargined for in the end). After she married George, the family did not welcome her into the family. They talked Greek when she was around and Sophie gave no jewels to her. She did tried her to be good once, but gave up after nobody seemed to give her a chance.  :(
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 09:53:29 AM
Mmm, Queen Elisabeth may have done many bad things, but Eric's comments and information that he last wrote give a different perspective. It is easy to see why she may have given up trying to be good, if her natural instincts were to be a nymphomaniac and devious, and she was excluded by Queen Sophie and others. I must object to her being called ''a female dog'' or worse, that is really not right. There is much more to this Queen than can be summarised in a paragraph, that is clearly for sure. I would love to read more about her, hopefully written by someone who isn't really biased. It is a tragic love story really that George loved her so much, but she warned him, and still he married her, so Elisabeth can't be blamed for the marriage. It seems that Elisabeth ended up with a huge amount of stunning jewels, even if she never got any directly from Sophie. Things might have been different if she had had a surviving child. Her family's attitude could have been different to her, and she might have become more moral and compassionate, that sometimes happens. At least she got to keep her Top ten pieces of jewellery - I wouldn't call that the bare minimum. But still she had some of her treasures taken from her, and that is fair punishment for collaborating with the communists.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2007, 11:24:18 AM
It would be improper to use the b words.  She once said that the only thing she had not done in life was kill someone.  She was a rather nasty person, vindictive and narcisstic.  George did not love her.  It was a marriage largely encouraged by her mother.  Elisabeth did not get a long with most people.  George was in love with his cousin, Zia de Torby, and he wanted to marry her but Sophie did not consider Zia to be good enough.  (She certainly had a good head on her shoulders.)  George and Eisabeth's marriage was reported as going to happen even before world war I ended.

When she got back to Romania, all she did was feather her own nest at the expense of others, even allowing her own home to be used by Greek communists who plotted to overthrow her former husband's monarchy. 

George had his own lady friends, and had a long term relationship with a woman named Joyce Brown.

She didn't care about anyone except herself -- she had fragile relationships with her siblings and their families.  In exile, she had no real contact with any of her family.  She had a toyboy lover, Marc Favrat, and she tried to have the head of the house of Hohenzollern make Marc a prince.  Didn't work.

Of course, she had a mother whose motherly skills were lacking (and the elder kids were largely raised by others).  Long term therapy may have helped.  john Wilmbles's series is excellent ..  but she certainly does not come across smelling like a rose in the series.

In the end, she was a very lonely woman without family or true friends

 
Mmm, Queen Elisabeth may have done many bad things, but Eric's comments and information that he last wrote give a different perspective. It is easy to see why she may have given up trying to be good, if her natural instincts were to be a nymphomaniac and devious, and she was excluded by Queen Sophie and others. I must object to her being called ''a female dog'' or worse, that is really not right. There is much more to this Queen than can be summarised in a paragraph, that is clearly for sure. I would love to read more about her, hopefully written by someone who isn't really biased. It is a tragic love story really that George loved her so much, but she warned him, and still he married her, so Elisabeth can't be blamed for the marriage. It seems that Elisabeth ended up with a huge amount of stunning jewels, even if she never got any directly from Sophie. Things might have been different if she had had a surviving child. Her family's attitude could have been different to her, and she might have become more moral and compassionate, that sometimes happens. At least she got to keep her Top ten pieces of jewellery - I wouldn't call that the bare minimum. But still she had some of her treasures taken from her, and that is fair punishment for collaborating with the communists.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 11:33:56 AM
I feel it is impromper to use such strong hateful language against Queen Elisabeth. She is long since dead, I think some, not a lot, but some respect should be shown and she should be able to rest in peace.

I'm sure there is another side to all this. She obviously was no saint, and made a lot of mistakes, but if you look at pictures of her when she was very young, she had such a beautiful and pure face, it's hard for me to believe she was all bad.

George must of loved her a bit to begin with or he would have refused to marry her. If all this is true what you say about her lack of friends and family at the end, and her alienation from them all, then she should be greatly pitied I think. I feel really sorry for her.  :'(

Where is she buried? Not at Tatoi I gather.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on March 15, 2007, 12:17:49 PM
I feel it is impromper to use such strong hateful language against Queen Elisabeth. She is long since dead, I think some, not a lot, but some respect should be shown and she should be able to rest in peace.


Does her personality compare with Mignon's at all?  I always had the impression that Elizabeth was perhaps a bit spoiled which may have accounted for her rather distasteful persona, but was Mignon the same? And if so, can anybody tell me how each sisters marriage was affected by this?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2007, 01:42:39 PM
Royals didn't marry for love.  This was an arranged marriage.  They barely knew each other.  I am sure she's resting in peace, a we are all forgiven by God.  The marriage ended in divorce in 1935, so she ceased to be a queen, even in exile.   We are all saints, actually.

True beauty is not external.  Focusing on the external beauty is rather shallow ... inside, she had little beauty ... she was not interested in charity, all she wanted was to be rich, very rich.  She didn't care who she hurt.  She betrayed and stabbed people in back.  Her own family could not trust her.  In the late 1930s, she was back in Romania, living the high life, with her banker as her main lover.  (He certainly helped Elisabetha fatten that bank account - which she lost in the end when she had to leave Romania.  It is not commendable that she got out with a few pieces of jewelery ... I would not be surprised if she had to sell those jewels because she had no income of her own. 

After her divorce, there were rumors that she was going to marry Scaviani

Her external beauty faded quickly.  Her mother would chastize her about not taking care with her appearance.

She underwent an operation after the miscarriage.  Most likely, it was a gynecological operation ..

I feel it is impromper to use such strong hateful language against Queen Elisabeth. She is long since dead, I think some, not a lot, but some respect should be shown and she should be able to rest in peace.

I'm sure there is another side to all this. She obviously was no saint, and made a lot of mistakes, but if you look at pictures of her when she was very young, she had such a beautiful and pure face, it's hard for me to believe she was all bad.

George must of loved her a bit to begin with or he would have refused to marry her. If all this is true what you say about her lack of friends and family at the end, and her alienation from them all, then she should be greatly pitied I think. I feel really sorry for her.  :'(

Where is she buried? Not at Tatoi I gather.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2007, 01:46:21 PM
Mignon's marriage was arranged as well, and she was not the most fashionable person.  Princess Paul was chic, and well-connected.  Mignon was frumpy.  She and Alexander had various marital problems, and she did not accompany him to France in 1934.  When Peter went into exile, so did Marie - and she lived in England.  She did not have good relations with her sons.  She loathed Alexandra.  She adopted mannish dress and lived with another woman in the final years of her life.

I feel it is impromper to use such strong hateful language against Queen Elisabeth. She is long since dead, I think some, not a lot, but some respect should be shown and she should be able to rest in peace.


Does her personality compare with Mignon's at all?  I always had the impression that Elizabeth was perhaps a bit spoiled which may have accounted for her rather distasteful persona, but was Mignon the same? And if so, can anybody tell me how each sisters marriage was affected by this?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on March 15, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
what a life!
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 03:33:42 PM
Royals didn't marry for love.  This was an arranged marriage.  They barely knew each other.  I am sure she's resting in peace, a we are all forgiven by God.  The marriage ended in divorce in 1935, so she ceased to be a queen, even in exile.   We are all saints, actually.

True beauty is not external.  Focusing on the external beauty is rather shallow ... inside, she had little beauty ... she was not interested in charity, all she wanted was to be rich, very rich.  She didn't care who she hurt.  She betrayed and stabbed people in back.  Her own family could not trust her.  In the late 1930s, she was back in Romania, living the high life, with her banker as her main lover.  (He certainly helped Elisabetha fatten that bank account - which she lost in the end when she had to leave Romania.  It is not commendable that she got out with a few pieces of jewelery ... I would not be surprised if she had to sell those jewels because she had no income of her own. 

After her divorce, there were rumors that she was going to marry Scaviani

Her external beauty faded quickly.  Her mother would chastize her about not taking care with her appearance.

She underwent an operation after the miscarriage.  Most likely, it was a gynecological operation ..

I feel it is impromper to use such strong hateful language against Queen Elisabeth. She is long since dead, I think some, not a lot, but some respect should be shown and she should be able to rest in peace.

I'm sure there is another side to all this. She obviously was no saint, and made a lot of mistakes, but if you look at pictures of her when she was very young, she had such a beautiful and pure face, it's hard for me to believe she was all bad.

George must of loved her a bit to begin with or he would have refused to marry her. If all this is true what you say about her lack of friends and family at the end, and her alienation from them all, then she should be greatly pitied I think. I feel really sorry for her.  :'(

Where is she buried? Not at Tatoi I gather.

I know that Royals didn't marry for love in the modern sense. But often they were in love and did fall in love with each other. If they couldn't stand each other, they would refuse to marry them sometimes. I have read other people say that they were in love, and I think that was the case. Elisabeth was beautiful, the many pictures I posted demonstrated that. It's obvious that you hate Elisabeth, I feel quite unbiased about her actually. But I feel sympathy towards her because I know that she must have had other sides to her, and that she could have been likeable in some ways, even if she did make many mistakes and commit many sins. I know the marriage ended in divorce, but she was a reigning Queen for a time, so I think it is right to call her Queen Elisabeth, even if she did not die a Queen, she was a Queen. No we are not all saints, in the literal sense of the word.

I didn't say that true beauty is external, or that I was juding her by her looks solely or focusing on that solely, I am not shallow at all. I was trying to express that if you look into her face when she was a young girl/woman, she does not look like this singularly evil person you make her out to be. I think she was pretty lucky to be able to take ten pieces of jewelry with her into exile, since some royals could take nothing into exile, and many were murdered. She got off pretty lightly. Are you saying she had an operation on purpose so she couldn't become pregnant again? Maybe she had to have a hysterectomy. And are you saying Mignon was a lesbian? I personally think all of Marie's daughters were very beautiful and elegant, and I have never seen any of them look frumpy really.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on March 15, 2007, 03:40:59 PM
the 3 daughters were  pretty as young princesses :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on March 15, 2007, 03:49:54 PM
WOW.  I didn't know Mignon lived w/another woman for the rest of her life.  i know she was more comfortable w/herself in mannish clothes and certainly wasn't as glamorous as Missy.  I hope she found happiness in whatever capacity she lived w/this woman.  Was she as cruel and selfish as Elizabeth was?  Doing things like that to your family is certainly not something to be proud of. 

Certainly both women rebelled against their arranged marriages but in different ways.  I was seriously under the impression though, that George really wanted Elizabeth and that she only said yes after a long time of his persistence. 

It's hard to imagine someone as wonderful as Queen Marie (and I'm sure she had her flaws but I think she's wonderful) could have such children.  Somehow, didn't they do some redeeming things?

Marlene, I bow to your knowledge as always.
P.S., your book about QV Descendants is a non circulating book in my library.  I'll be on the lookout to buy! ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2007, 03:59:51 PM
You might want to take off the rose-colored glasses.  I have spent more than a quarter of a century studying the descendants of of Queen Victoria, and have written extensively on various descendants.  Members of the Romanian royal family have not made complimentary remarks about the late Elisabetha.  

I can assure you that George and Elisabetha were never in love, and that the marriage was arranged, and was not a success.  The two barely knew each other ... and the couple went into exile only a few years later.  

You are also rather naive (but you did you say you were 17 or so so that's understandable). You need to spend at least 25 more years doing a lot of research to really understand.  And I am still learning.  

By the late 1920s, Elisabetha had gained weight, and lost her looks

Elisabetha became seriously ill during her pregnancy, and the baby was lost ... perhaps surgery had to remove the fetus -- and it is entirely possible that she had to undergo a hysterectomy at this time due to the issues.

Officials photos tend to show people in the best situations ... Mignon was never elegant, except in glossed up photos.   I've got photos of her from late in life -- as well in books - and she was rather unattractive, rather overweight,  paid no attention to her face or figure, wore mannish clothing, and lived with a woman ...

I think that is descriptive enough.

I don't hate Elisabetha. It is not a matter of hating ... it is a matter, however, of actually knowing about these people -- and Marie's kids -- they got the short end of the stick when it came to parents.  All were screwed up.  All had problems.  Carol, Elisabetha, Ileana, and Marie all had arranged marriages ... all the marriages failed.  

Elisabetha never reigned ... she was the consort.  Her husband reigned.

The only 2 things I hate are broccoli and the New York Yankees.

Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on March 15, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
Marlene,

Hopefully you weren't replying to my posts offensively.  I'm certainly not 17 and I was seriously asking questions about the family because  I really don't know and am truly anxious to learn.

I am an admirer of your work and your knowledge and was only asking.

Lori
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2007, 04:08:50 PM
Mignon was not a cruel person in the same manner as her sister.  She certainly care for Yugoslavia, and kept in touch with the diaspora after exile.  But she too was not a good mother -- and her sons suffered for it.  No real parents.  She didn't want Peter to marry Alexandra (and she was probably right about that.)  She kept in touch with other family members and visited her aunt Bee in Spain.  I don't think she knew how to live in the real world ... her son, Peter, sadly had problems with this.  But they also didn't have money.  When  I was in Serbia in 2006,  I saw an exhibit on Alexander and Marie at Topola - so lots of glam photos, etc ... rather regal ... but that all changed after his death ... and these sort of photos do not tell the true story.

George saw Elisabetha as an eligible princess - similar in age, allegedly in interests too ...his mother who knew better (Sophie was a much smarter woman than most people think) and knew that marriages with her cousins' kids were not going to last ... but she also did not encourage the match with Zia Torby because of the morganatic status ... on the other hand, Zia's father Grand Duke Michael did not want his children to make foreign matches.  Zia, I think, would have made a good consort for George.  


I need to ask Ted to send me more books now that I have finally moved so once I get them, I will start selling again on Ebay and Amazon.

WOW.  I didn't know Mignon lived w/another woman for the rest of her life.  i know she was more comfortable w/herself in mannish clothes and certainly wasn't as glamorous as Missy.  I hope she found happiness in whatever capacity she lived w/this woman.  Was she as cruel and selfish as Elizabeth was?  Doing things like that to your family is certainly not something to be proud of. 

Certainly both women rebelled against their arranged marriages but in different ways.  I was seriously under the impression though, that George really wanted Elizabeth and that she only said yes after a long time of his persistence. 

It's hard to imagine someone as wonderful as Queen Marie (and I'm sure she had her flaws but I think she's wonderful) could have such children.  Somehow, didn't they do some redeeming things?

Marlene, I bow to your knowledge as always.
P.S., your book about QV Descendants is a non circulating book in my library.  I'll be on the lookout to buy! ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on March 15, 2007, 04:20:58 PM
Thanks Marlene!

My library leaves much to be desired.

I am so glad to know Mignon was not as self absorbed and selfish as Elisabeth.  But it is sad that Missy's children didn't share her spirit of  and infectious warmth and sparkle.  By earlier pictures, Mignon looks so much like her mother that you would think her personality the same. 

Elisabeth certainly wasn't.  Or Karol.  I know that Illeana became Mother Alexandra later on in life.  Did she at least embody something of Queen Marie? 

I had read in Zeepvat's Camera and the Tsar's that Elizabeth had a rather nasty personality, but it made it sound like George was long sufferiing because of his inconsiderate and selfish wife.  Was it both of them?  Or was it the fact that it was arranged and they both resented it? 

Many arranged marriages becoome love matches later.  Apparently that isn't the case with her.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 15, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
WOW.  I didn't know Mignon lived w/another woman for the rest of her life. 

I had posted this in a couple different Balkan threads:

I'd written this on a long-ago thread:

"I'm not sure of the exact date but the book says by 1938 she was settled in England and found herself a house. Old Mill House was located in Grandsden near Cambridge and was a 5-bedroom cottage furnished very sparsely. She would move around 1943-44 to a house near Leatherhead. Despite her very simple lifestyle Mignon was a millionaire with a private jewelry collection and a monthly stipend from the Yugoslav government. Sharing the home with her was Mrs Rosemary Creswell whom King Peter (her son) described as his mother's 'old school friend'. Mignon, now out of the public eye, began to take less care with her appearance becoming even more stout and rather sloppy. She cropped her hair very short, seldom put on dresses (preferring a tent-like garment) and usually wore moccasins. She also I guess tired of Mignon and wanted to be called 'Paiky' (don't ask me why). Her days were rather uneventful: wake late, breakfast in bed, stay there good part of the day alternating between dozing, reading, writing letters and smoking. She would go down for dinner about 7:30 and afterwards settle down with another huge box of ciggies to play cards or talk. She apparently inherited her mother's gift for gab even though her speech was blunter and lacking Missy's poetic turn of phrase. She had her 2 youngest boys in British schools and would occasionally visit Peter in Yugoslavia (being there when Germany invaded Poland ). After the Revolution overthrew her teenage son, Marie saw him for the first time in 2 years when he arrived an exile in England. As he was just 18 she packed him off to Cambridge and gave him a room above her garage for the occasional visit home (for which he had to pay rent). Not long after, Peter fell in love with Queen Sophie of Greece's granddaughter Alexandra and Mignon went to London to meet her but was very unhappy with the situation for a variety of reasons--political and maternal. Nonetheless the couple became engaged and Mignon did all she could to prevent the marriage (and was supported in this by the government-in-exile). During one meeting between the young couple and Mignon (during which she didn't get out of bed) there was an incredibly horrid blow-up with all sorts of hostility and recrimination bubbling up. It got so bad that Princess Alexandra called her mother to talk to an increasingly out-of-control Mignon who merely continued her tirade into the phone. Peter eventually stormed out with Alexandra and a week later they married at the Yugoslav Embassy with a variety of royals in attendance save for the groom's mother (giving out the excuse of a toothache which doubtless fooled no one). They newlyweds didn't see Mignon for 8 mos later when Peter decided his wife was entitled to the famous emeralds (the ones that were Ella's?) located in a British bank and needing Mignon's to open the safety deposit box. Mignon met them in London at a small home she kept and they were ushered into her presence by Mrs Creswell. Having abandoned her tents for the rather mannish outfit of a khaki uniform (self-designed) she had accessorized with a Sam Browne belt with a revolver. (!!) Mignon had no words of greeting, just a nod of the head. Alexandra, newly pregnant and increasingly stressed by the tension in the room asked permission to sit down giving her pregnancy as the reason. Despite thus having found out she'd be a grandmother, Mignon merely growled for her to sit and returned to what she was doing. I don't know if they met after that or were in contact as Peter & Alexandra's marriage deteriorated. Mignon moved again after the war to a 450 acre farm at Cranbook in Kent where her 2 younger sons joined her. Her life became even more simple. This home had 6 rooms, a stone floor and no electricity. She cooked on an old-fashioned stove and played her card games by gaslight. From tents to wartime uniform, she now chose to dress in very British tweeds and brogues and supervised the activities of her farm. One of the few public appearances of her later years was in 1959 (when she was 60) at a service in Paris marking the 25th annivesary of her husband's assassination. By now her health was deteriorating and she had lost a good deal of weight and was looking rather ill. She died 2 years later in 1961 n London. A funeral service was held at the SErbian Orthodox Church there and the chief mourner was her son Peter II."

The bulk of the info can be found in Grandmama of Europe by Theo Aronson. Great book.

I don't want to divert this thread though--there's a long-dormant thread on Mignon in the Balkan forum if anyone wants to 'bump' it up.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
Yes. we should go back to Elisabetta.

No I think George was in love with Elisabetta. I found the interest mention in both Missy's & Elisabetta's letters. John Wimbles (a reseacher who never fails to amaze me by the stuff he found in the Romanian archievs) articles on Elisabetta was the most definite one (also a fair one too). One can find it in old Royalty Digest back issues. A most vital addition to any serious researcher.

Elisabetta began her life as a girl spoiled by her grandmother Infanta Antonia. She was deemed pretty at a young age and slowly became a self-centered and lazy being. However at that point she was still a girl trying to be good (as she did her nursing work during the war). There are many references that George being in love with Elisabetta. The fact that Elisabetta refused him at least twice indicated her genuine feeling. She wrote to her mother saying that she admired George but honestly cannot see herself as a wife for George. However George and Missy persisted and Elisabetta decided to make a go go out of it. I do doubt Sophie was happy about the match as her later attitute to Elisabetta showed otherwise. Elisabetta went in the Greek Royal Family with fond hopes. They were soon dashed when they have dinner togather, they all spoke Greek. Elisabetta felt exculded and lonely with the bunch (George was station off soon after the wedding). I guess in this condition, one cannot help but brew recentment over this treatment. The only person who were kind to her was Princess Nicholas of Greece and her sister-in-law Helen. Elisabetta was also not given any jewels by her mother-in-law ("She wouldn't even let me be alone with them"). In which even Missy fumed "At least I have given HER daughter (meaning Helen) a tiara".

No I don't think she was born bad, but cirmustancial helped to push her off the edge. If she gave people no breaks, because nobody had given her any. Once she got rich by her father's will, she began to do things HER way. With that inheitance and those came through her from George (jewels curtesy of Queen Olga...eg. emeralds). She did not need to sit and beg. That she became more reckless as times go by there is no doubt. However one would also ask, without her inheritance from her father, could she had the financial freedom to do whatever she wished ? One cannot say.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 03:18:20 AM
Yes well Eric is putting a different perspective on these issues than Marlene, and I am more inclined to believe him as he does not seem so biased. I actually don't have any rose-coloured glasses to take off, I will make no apologies about which royals appeal to me and which don't. I know you have spent many years studying royals, but that does not make you infallible or someone to be ''bowed down to."  ::) I have studied historiography and I know how much the author's agenda, personal experience and bias influence their writing of history, whether they acknowledge it or not. I am aware that members of the Romanian Royal Family have said bad things about Elisabeth and I'm sure that has influenced you, that doesn't mean other people can't have other opinions. Of course it also doesn't mean that the members of the R.R.F who said these things are wrong. As for assuring me that George didn't love Elisabeth - others say otherwise, I'm not going to say I know for sure, but I don't feel comfortable taking your word for it. And no, I am not naive, and nor am I 17. I don't know where you got that from, but I never said that. I am in my twenties. And no I don't need to spend 25 more years doing a lot of research before I can really understand, that is offending anyone here under the age of 25, and I know I'm not the only person on the boards under that age. I don't know how you can accuse me of being superficial by mentioning that Elisabeth was beautiful when she was young, but then go on about Elisabeth and Mignon's looks and apparently judging them because they gained weight, etc. were not overly interested in being glamourous, etc. Who cares? As long as they were comfortable with it, then that's fine. That's very sad what happened to Elisabeth during her pregnancy.

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Elisabetha never reigned ... she was the consort.  Her husband reigned.

That's what I meant, her husband reigned as King, and she was his Queen Consort for a time when he was reigning.



Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 03:25:52 AM
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Elisabetta went in the Greek Royal Family with fond hopes. They were soon dashed when they have dinner togather, they all spoke Greek.

That's happened to me many times, everyone speaking Greek around me and me not understanding much of it. Elisabeth should have asked them to speak English around her if they could and she could, or else she should have tried to learn Greek, or pick up a few words like I have.  :)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2007, 05:58:41 AM
Sophie was certainly nasty towards Elisabetta. On the other hand, although they have arguments and disagreements, Helen and Missy were able to establish a kind of relationship based on mutual respect. Missy greatly loved Helen's gift of minicing others (including herself).

I am not trying to say that Elisabetta was a nice woman. She had her faults, but in the begining she wanted to be good and be loved. However the years of war and attitude of others ruin it for her and George. The fact that they were on opposite sides during the divorce of Carol & Helen didn't help matters. Once Elisabetta got her money, she began to do as she pleased and cared about nobody. It was a bitter life with many dissapointments (but much of which she contributed herself).
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: trentk80 on March 16, 2007, 06:05:35 AM
I have spent more than a quarter of a century studying the descendants of of Queen Victoria, and have written extensively on various descendants.

And part of what you have written is unreliable, Marlene. Should I remind you that what your book Queen Victoria's descendants says about Baby Bee's treachery towards Ena is inaccurate, as you once admitted? It's odd considering that you have spent more than a quarter of a century studying the subject.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2007, 06:10:18 AM
Well...I think Marlene corrected herself in the Baby Bee thread that after more research her earlier statement about the relationship between Bee & Ena wasn't valid. We all stand to be corrected.  ;)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: trentk80 on March 16, 2007, 07:22:03 AM
However the fact remains that Marlene's original research on Baby Bee was not good enough. Likewise, I think John Wimbles' research on Elisabeta is much more reliable.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 16, 2007, 09:21:13 AM
I think I have to agree with Marlene on this one.

By 1921, George remained unmarried and there was no heir to the throne.  King Constantine's return to the throne in 1920 created a strong urgency on the part of George that he had to hurry up and get married and produce an heir, considering there shaky hold on the throne at the time.

While there is some evidence that George was probably fond of his new wife, I doubt he was bent over heels for her, and that this was indeed an arranged marriage, and especially important within the Balkan sphere of things, and with a fellow Orthodox nation to bat.

Furthermore, the Greek royal family had become a pariah for various reasons to the rest of "Allied" Europe.
They couldn't exactly go hunting for brides in Germany (recently defeated), or Britain/France (despised my poor King Tino) for that matter.

So George & Elisabeth's marriage seemed quite advantageous for all sides involved....and not to mention Queen Marie was besides herself with the fact that she would become the grandmama of the Balkans. 

Regards to all!


However the fact remains that Marlene's original research on Baby Bee was not good enough. Likewise, I think John Wimbles' research on Elisabeta is much more reliable.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2007, 01:15:20 PM
Lori

I was not referring to you.

thank you for the kind words

Marlene,

Hopefully you weren't replying to my posts offensively.  I'm certainly not 17 and I was seriously asking questions about the family because  I really don't know and am truly anxious to learn.

I am an admirer of your work and your knowledge and was only asking.

Lori
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2007, 01:29:09 PM
I stand corrected on your age.  Not that long ago, I believe you may have said you were a teenager.  No one is infallible, not even the Bishop of Rome.

However, I do think people who are more concerned with how someone looks in a photo or what jewels they had or took with them have no real understanding of personalities.

It is obvious you have never read John Wiimbles' articles on Elisabetha. You should.  You would learn even more.  Have you read Hannah Pakula's bio on Marie.  More good stuff on Elisabetha.  Eric has only quoted or referred to a miniscule part of the series.   If you are truly interested in Elisabetha, you should take on more research.  Read these articles, read what was written about her  ... I suspect members of the Romanian royal family, especially King Michael, would know more about Elisabetha than most folks.   She was his aunt.  He had first hand experience of her treachery and betrayal.

I think you can purchase back issues from Royalty Digest.  I have copies of the articles, of course, but I cannot make copies for you as I do not own the copyright. 

If you want a good laugh, read Elisabeth's obit in The Times.  However, it was common place for obituary writers for the main British papers, to write glowing copy about the recently deceased.

Well, George may have been king but he was the king in name only ... the political situation at the time was extremely difficult, and no one expected George to survive in that climate.  And, he didn't.   The divorce was most likely a mutual decision, even though Elisabetha did the filing.  It is no coincidence that the filing was only a few months before George's restoration.  Elisabetha did not want to go back to Greece as queen.

 c
Yes well Eric is putting a different perspective on these issues than Marlene, and I am more inclined to believe him as he does not seem so biased. I actually don't have any rose-coloured glasses to take off, I will make no apologies about which royals appeal to me and which don't. I know you have spent many years studying royals, but that does not make you infallible or someone to be ''bowed down to."  ::) I have studied historiography and I know how much the author's agenda, personal experience and bias influence their writing of history, whether they acknowledge it or not. I am aware that members of the Romanian Royal Family have said bad things about Elisabeth and I'm sure that has influenced you, that doesn't mean other people can't have other opinions. Of course it also doesn't mean that the members of the R.R.F who said these things are wrong. As for assuring me that George didn't love Elisabeth - others say otherwise, I'm not going to say I know for sure, but I don't feel comfortable taking your word for it. And no, I am not naive, and nor am I 17. I don't know where you got that from, but I never said that. I am in my twenties. And no I don't need to spend 25 more years doing a lot of research before I can really understand, that is offending anyone here under the age of 25, and I know I'm not the only person on the boards under that age. I don't know how you can accuse me of being superficial by mentioning that Elisabeth was beautiful when she was young, but then go on about Elisabeth and Mignon's looks and apparently judging them because they gained weight, etc. were not overly interested in being glamourous, etc. Who cares? As long as they were comfortable with it, then that's fine. That's very sad what happened to Elisabeth during her pregnancy.

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Elisabetha never reigned ... she was the consort.  Her husband reigned.

That's what I meant, her husband reigned as King, and she was his Queen Consort for a time when he was reigning.




Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2007, 01:32:02 PM
Sophie was not pleased with the two marriages with two of Missy's kids .... she tried to warn Helen, to no avail - and helen got pregnant before the wedding.

Sophie was certainly nasty towards Elisabetta. On the other hand, although they have arguments and disagreements, Helen and Missy were able to establish a kind of relationship based on mutual respect. Missy greatly loved Helen's gift of minicing others (including herself).

I am not trying to say that Elisabetta was a nice woman. She had her faults, but in the begining she wanted to be good and be loved. However the years of war and attitude of others ruin it for her and George. The fact that they were on opposite sides during the divorce of Carol & Helen didn't help matters. Once Elisabetta got her money, she began to do as she pleased and cared about nobody. It was a bitter life with many dissapointments (but much of which she contributed herself).
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2007, 01:33:42 PM
Yes, I changed my view on Baby Bee and Ena (see the new book on them, to which I contributed) - but I should add, Trent dear, that there are other writers out there who still think that Baby Bee (who happens to be a favorite of mine) caused a lot of problems at the Spanish court.

I have spent more than a quarter of a century studying the descendants of of Queen Victoria, and have written extensively on various descendants.

And part of what you have written is unreliable, Marlene. Should I remind you that what your book Queen Victoria's descendants says about Baby Bee's treachery towards Ena is inaccurate, as you once admitted? It's odd considering that you have spent more than a quarter of a century studying the subject.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2007, 01:37:40 PM
I should add that I am a good friend of one of Baby Bee's granddaughters - and she too was well aware of the stories about her grandmother ... so I am not the only one ... you will still find it.  Nor have I ever said anything about John's research.  His articles were fabulous -- but there is a lot more to the story of Elisabetha ...

Should I ever write another article on Baby Bee, I would write it differently.  I attended a lecture by Robert Massie a few years ago, and he admitted that he had gotten things wrong, as well ...

Of course, Trent, I am sure you are -- like Mary Poppins - practically perfect in every way ... and have every resource imagineable ...
However the fact remains that Marlene's original research on Baby Bee was not good enough. Likewise, I think John Wimbles' research on Elisabeta is much more reliable.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 16, 2007, 01:44:30 PM

Of course, Trent, I am sure you are -- like Mary Poppins - practically perfect in every way ... and have every resource imagineable ...

Of course he's not. I don't remember him claiming to be.  ???
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 01:52:41 PM
I stand corrected on your age.  Not that long ago, I believe you may have said you were a teenager.  No one is infallible, not even the Bishop of Rome.

However, I do think people who are more concerned with how someone looks in a photo or what jewels they had or took with them have no real understanding of personalities.

It is obvious you have never read John Wiimbles' articles on Elisabetha. You should.  You would learn even more.  Have you read Hannah Pakula's bio on Marie.  More good stuff on Elisabetha.  Eric has only quoted or referred to a miniscule part of the series.   If you are truly interested in Elisabetha, you should take on more research.  Read these articles, read what was written about her  ... I suspect members of the Romanian royal family, especially King Michael, would know more about Elisabetha than most folks.   She was his aunt.  He had first hand experience of her treachery and betrayal.

I think you can purchase back issues from Royalty Digest.  I have copies of the articles, of course, but I cannot make copies for you as I do not own the copyright. 

If you want a good laugh, read Elisabeth's obit in The Times.  However, it was common place for obituary writers for the main British papers, to write glowing copy about the recently deceased.

Well, George may have been king but he was the king in name only ... the political situation at the time was extremely difficult, and no one expected George to survive in that climate.  And, he didn't.   The divorce was most likely a mutual decision, even though Elisabetha did the filing.  It is no coincidence that the filing was only a few months before George's restoration.  Elisabetha did not want to go back to Greece as queen.



Yes well a couple of years ago I was 19 and may have written that, but now I'm not. I really must insist that it should make absolutely no difference how old I, or anybody else here is, all posters deserve respect regardless of age. I'm not a Catholic, so I won't take offense about the Pope comment, although it is a matter of faith of course.

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However, I do think people who are more concerned with how someone looks in a photo or what jewels they had or took with them have no real understanding of personalities.

That is offensive. I do of course have a very real understanding of personalities and I am not more concerned with how someone looks in a photo or what jewels they had than everything else. It seems that you also have a concern or interest in looks as you frequently mention the supposedly deteriorating looks of Elisabeth and Mignon, etc. etc. And a person not being filled with the utmost concern for keeping up their appearance doesn't necessarily reflect badly on their personality. I agree I should read more about what has been written about Queen Elisabeth and I intend to do so. I did read part of the Wimbles's series ages ago when it was posted on the board but it has since been removed. I would like to read Elisabeth's obituary as it would be refreshing to read something positive about her. I truly believe that there is a whole other way to look at Elisabeth and what she did. She was probably a very sad and confused woman. Yes I know when Elisabeth was Queen when her husband was King, it was very difficult politically, but they were still King and Queen. The obituary would not make me laugh, I would be happy to see someone writing about her with some proper respect.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: trentk80 on March 16, 2007, 03:41:47 PM
It is obvious you have never read John Wiimbles' articles on Elisabetha. You should.  You would learn even more.  Have you read Hannah Pakula's bio on Marie.  More good stuff on Elisabetha.  Eric has only quoted or referred to a miniscule part of the series.   If you are truly interested in Elisabetha, you should take on more research.  Read these articles, read what was written about her  ...

Elisabeta was certainly a difficult person, made many mistakes and paid for them but she wasn't the evil monster you pretend her to be either, she also had a good side. And I think this after having read both John Wimbles' articles on her and Hannah Pakula's bio on Marie. I think John Wimbles' articles give a good insight into Elisabeta's life. As basilforever said, it is obvious that you are biased and that you personally dislike Elisabeta and I noticed this since a long time ago. Everytime someone said the slightest good thing about her, you were always the first one to say "no, she was nasty, etc.". The question is why? A reflection on your own life perhaps?
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: lori_c on March 16, 2007, 04:57:14 PM
Lori

I was not referring to you.

thank you for the kind words

Marlene,

Hopefully you weren't replying to my posts offensively.  I'm certainly not 17 and I was seriously asking questions about the family because  I really don't know and am truly anxious to learn.

I am an admirer of your work and your knowledge and was only asking.

Lori
Marlene,

Whew!  Thanks.  I didn't know if it was my post that you were referring to.  I find any information on Elisabeta fascinating, as nasty as she was.  She still was part of a Royal History long gone by. (As well as all of the Romanian Royal Family) Thank you for your fascinating information and unending research.

Lori
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Janet_W. on March 16, 2007, 05:05:33 PM
[I have received the warning that a new reply has been posted since I was composing this, but I shall throw caution to the wind and submit it anyway!]

There is a quote, attributed to Fontaine, which goes something like this: "Each man is three men: How he sees himself, how others see him, and who he really is."

This ongoing discussion/power struggle about Elisabeta might seem trivial to many . . . and, from certain points of view, I'd have to agree.

But for many of us it boils down to this: What is personality? Are we born with it? Is it formed, say, by the first five years? Are we doomed by matters of genetics and/or environment? Do we have free will?

I, too, have wondered about Elisabeta. I've read either negative or noncommital/cryptic remarks about her in every publication I've accessed that covered, briefly or in a bit more detail, the arc of her (rightly or wrongly) disparaged life. And BTW, I've noted that alone of her immediate family, Elisabeta is missing from the photos taken during the summer 1914 visit of the Romanovs.

Here's where I become personal. I detested being with my family when I was a teenager and often stayed home. Why? Partly because I had raging hormones and wanted to be with people my own age. Partly because I was suffering from severe acne and felt embarrassed to be in public. But in very large part because my family was what I now have the vocabulary to say dysfunctional. For one thing, my mother--whom I loved very much, but definitely was a strong and self-involved personality--was very much about image, i.e., "Let's put up a good front," her typical clarion call. Conversely, though, she wasn't above verbally abusing my father in front of family friends, and he--in turn--occasionally issued "I'm just kidding" verbal riptostes to her. Those of you who've gone through this with your own parents know what I'm talking about . . . how the mere fact of a long-term marriage does not necessarily indicate happiness. And we won't even get into the unctuous behavior of my sibling, but that I have for many years refered to her as such might give you an indication of the status of our [non]relationship.

So this is what I am saying: Whether some people are simply born bad--Hitler? the fictional children from "The Bad Seed" and "The Omen"?--or are negatively and irreparably damaged by their surroundings, or choose of their own free will to be a saint or a sinner, I am not certain. But Elisabeta, who apparently lived a life not well-lived, is certainly a subject worth studying, if only so we do not ourselves bring forth future Elisabetas.

A friend of mine once said that "everyone has a different set of parents." He was from a family of ten, so I figure he knew what he was talking about! What he was saying was that birth order often has a great deal to do with personality, not always because of the birth order itself but because of where the parents were in their own lives when they conceived, gave birth, and brought up each child.

Despite the individual virtues of Nando and Marie, I have to think their unhappy marriage bore predictable fruit. That Elisabeta took a particular route in dealing--or not dealing--with the discord all about her also seems predictable. I would very much respect the input of any child psychologist--or, for that matter, psychologists--who could offer their professional opinions on what causes a child to "go bad," using--if enough information is available--the example of Elisabeta.

And in the meantime--in the interest of civility, if not character building--I wonder if we could all consider, before we post our comments, what we say and how it might be perceived by others. None of us here should be above what is often referred to as The Golden Rule.
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2007, 05:09:32 PM
Can we keep personal comments about other posters to PMs please and keep to the discussion about Elizabeth and not other forum members? 
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: basilforever on March 17, 2007, 05:17:53 AM
Very good post Janet W and also Trentk80. Elisabetha is indeed a fascinating woman, a fascinating Queen, who I'm sure was not the total evil monster some have made her out to be.

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20ROYALTY%20etc/elisabethroumania1894-5.jpg?t=1174127006)
Title: Re: King Georg II & Queen Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 18, 2007, 08:16:13 PM
Indeed ! I agree with Marlene that my take on Elisabetta was only a snipet of John Wimbles's excellent article. It was well written and fair to the young Elisabetta. However she did turn into a witch as her years of frustation (a result of her own nature no doubt, but also other people (like Queen Sophie) given her no breaks). In the end, she lashed out at evverybody including her one-time-friend Helen. My only point was that she did not started out that way, but develpoed into something worse as times goes by.  ::)
Title: Elisabeth as queen
Post by: Yseult on October 26, 2007, 02:59:19 PM
Hello! I was reading an old thread focused on Georgios and Lisavetta, and I became curious...
I know that Lisavetta was queen only for a short time, but I really want to know how she was in her role of queen consort. When she began her "greek life", for sure she felt isolated into the inner circle of the court and a strange in the new country, but...how she managed the situation since her husband was proclaimed king of the hellenes? Did she tried to play a role?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2009, 05:33:47 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck royalty/exkings.jpg)

I just found somewhere on the web that George and Elizabeta are already frequented before the great war and they seemed to have feelings for each other. Thus, their marriage seven years later was not only a political arrangement. I do not know yet if this is the exact truth. Can someone enlighten me more detail on this point ? Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Vecchiolarry on October 24, 2009, 08:32:49 AM
Hi,

I am nicely struck by how much Elisabeth resembles the silent movie actress Pola Negri, who was Polish...
Elisabeth looks very nice & glamourous in this picture.

Larry
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 24, 2009, 10:27:50 AM
Karlandzita. Youcan find all that info in Elisaveta`s topic. I read about it there ;)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2009, 11:17:06 AM
OK, thank you for the info.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Elizabeth was less in love than George was.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on October 27, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Yes, I suspected as much. But which of the two spouses filed for divorce ?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I think Elisabetta, since she was the richer spouse as she inheirited a fortune after the death of her father.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2009, 04:16:32 PM
No , its Mignon AKa maria of Yugoslavia

This is Elisaveta as a child

(http://i37.tinypic.com/14e839x.gif)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2009, 02:30:19 PM
Queen Elisabeth of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Romanian%20Royalty/eliz.jpg)

Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 30, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
Elisaveta as a grown woman scares me! xDD

Ps: can someone identify the lady next to Giorgos?¿

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2h5pgle.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Yes wearing Queen Olga of Greece's famous emeralds. She later sold them to Queen Frederica of Greece !
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
Princess Margarita of Greece ! Prince Philip's sister.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 30, 2009, 02:38:10 PM
Thank you!

Another of Giorgos. I find him so handsome!

(http://i48.tinypic.com/25j8av9.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
Thank you!

Another of Giorgos. I find him so handsome!

(http://i48.tinypic.com/25j8av9.jpg)

George was certainly a handsome man in his youth. But as seen in this photo posted by Katenka Fyodorovna, he was quickly marked by age, evidence prematurely worn out by power and by many exiles and blows of fate that affected his family.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 30, 2009, 03:06:38 PM
i think he still looks rather handsome. Oh well. i like older men xDD
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on November 30, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
I found myself that the style of the 20s was better suited to Elizabeth than the 1900s. The makeup, hair and the look of the Roaring Twenties were better aligned with her modern look and independent.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 06:03:23 PM
Well...Elisabetta was not a petite woman (none of Missy's daughters were), and the 1900 clothes were actually more flowry than the 20's.

George was handsome but not lucky in love. He was in love with Elisabetta, but she kept saying no until she ran out of reasons...
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 21, 2009, 04:29:57 PM
King George II and Queen Elisabeth of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/georgieli.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/georges1931.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2009, 09:20:01 PM
Lovely photos ! Where was the second one taken.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on December 23, 2009, 09:29:18 AM
I've seen that photo captioned somewhere and I want to say England? I believe the first photo might have been one of those taken as they left for exile. I'll have to check my magazine collection.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2009, 10:21:26 AM
Thanks. I think it was during exile that the marriage began to fall apart.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 08:56:07 AM
I've seen that photo captioned somewhere and I want to say England? I believe the first photo might have been one of those taken as they left for exile. I'll have to check my magazine collection.

The second photo was actually taken during their exile in England.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 12:38:05 PM
She had beautiful features and a full figure. I wonder who was the other woman in the photo ? George looked very handsome here.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 12:54:02 PM
its Mrs Oliver Lecker according the Ullstein Bild

Giorgos

(http://i46.tinypic.com/28k1v9u.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
Giorgos and sister Heleni


(http://i50.tinypic.com/2zz1flj.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
Handsome man. He looks very much like his father King Constantine I of Greece.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 29, 2009, 04:17:22 PM
Hi,

As I've stated before, Elisabeth looks very much like Pola Negri, when both were young.
Especially in Post # 183...
And, both were very glamourous women.

Larry
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Im fan of Miss Neri and i dont think the same but...depends of the beholder..


Here a rare pic of her from a newspaper clip about her exile. I must to say she looks quite good in this one

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2pyuzco.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
Elisabetta was more plump than Miss Neri.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 08:55:21 PM
And their faces was complety different. Yes..sometimes in pictures asimiled to silent actress, but never Miss Negri. I dont want to be make drama but to Pola`s fans, comapre her with any woman is sacrilege!  xDDD
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 29, 2009, 10:30:13 PM
Hi,

Yes, Elisabeth was more rotund than Pola Negri and pobably taller too...
But, there is a facial resemblance of Eastern European proportions in some of their pictures.

I knew Miss Negri very well and she would have thought the word 'sacrilege' in comparing anyone to her was hilarious!!
That was a good laugh for me...

But now, an end to this;  as this is a thread on George II and Elisabeth of Greece...
Back on topic - - -

Larry
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 10:56:53 PM
i dislike in the most Elisaveth to compare it with Miss Neri so for me and other follower ITS actually kind of sacrily and dont see the fun part to this in any ways... So PLEASE, be more respectful

Lets compare Elisaveth wth Jean Harlow..!!!

Lets compare Elisaveth with Clara bow!!!!!

Lets compare Elisaveth with Billiew dove!!!


NOOOO she was in her own way "glamorous", but lets NO compare her with anyone else..its  ridiculous. for sure...


Anyways..... here s another pic of elisaveta..

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2ceqn7o.jpg)






Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 30, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
Eric...Elisaveta was BLONDE and had light colored eyes

These pics proves it.


(http://i48.tinypic.com/2q8vznb.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2cht3ev.jpg)

I dont see a bit of the "darker" stuff you re talking about.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Look at her when she was much older...was she still blonde ? Her hair turned dark.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 30, 2009, 09:58:50 PM
(sigh)

Thats is obvious in mostly of people who was born blonde .....


Jesus....
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 31, 2009, 02:39:09 PM
The resemblence of Elisabetta to her Portuguese grandmother was agree upon even by Missy. Her later intrigues did also resembled her grandmother in more ways than one.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on January 01, 2010, 04:26:50 AM
George and Elisabeth :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/gaesa.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Janet Ashton on January 01, 2010, 09:27:50 AM
The resemblence of Elisabetta to her Portuguese grandmother was agree upon even by Missy. Her later intrigues did also resembled her grandmother in more ways than one.

Her paternal grand mother was also BLOND - having Braganza as a surname means nothing; not all Portuguese people are dark, and this one happened to have  a Coburg father and a Habsburg grandmother - so both her her parents also had light hair and eyes.

I assume that your reference to "resembling her grand mother in more ways than one" indicates that you deem Antonia to be a "trouble-maker" because Queen Marie says so. But even Queen Marie does not assert that Antonia made trouble beyond her own family, so the caparison to Elisabetha is not that apt, IMO. In reality, despite dismissive remarks from Empress Frederick as well about her lack of education, Antonia took a keen interest in the world political scene, and had justifiable misgivings about her son's position in Romania, which were obviously reflected in her attitude to her daughter-in-law's love affairs. I am not sure any mother would be happy to watch their son cuckolded.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 01:19:19 PM
Many people agree that Elisabetta looked like her grandmother. Why argue the obvious ? Yes Antonia did stir up trouble between her daughters-in-law. If Infanta Antonia had an exe to grind with Missy, why also did the same to Madi & Henriette ? Did they cuckolded their husbands too ? I think she was toublemaker rather than a matriach that wanted to create harmony within the family. She was rich and spoilt in Missy's opinion. Also remember Missy started to stray only after Karol & Elisabetta was born.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Janet Ashton on January 01, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
Many people agree that Elisabetta looked like her grandmother. Why argue the obvious ?


What exactly do you mean by this? I have no idea how it relates to what I posted.

Yes Antonia did stir up trouble between her daughters-in-law. If Infanta Antonia had an exe to grind with Missy, why also did the same to Madi & Henriette ? Did they cuckolded their husbands too ? I think she was toublemaker rather than a matriach that wanted to create harmony within the family. She was rich and spoilt in Missy's opinion. Also remember Missy started to stray only after Karol & Elisabetta was born.

"Missy's" view on the matter is the view of one individual. In order to form a balanced opinion of someone, one must look at the entirety of the picture of that person, taking all views and possibilities into consideration. I have no notion whether Maria Theresia cuckolded her husband; this was not the nature of her mother-in-law's issues with her, or those of other people who found her "odd" and "presumptuous". I think it's pretty clear from Queen Marie's own veiled comments that unfidelity certainly WAS the nature of her problems with Queen Marie; and certainly started AFTER the birth of the first two children, since Antonia's view of her new daughter-in-law had been positive until that point.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Nevertheless, she did try to play favourites with her daughters-in-law. I read from other sources that Antonia was rich (she most certainly was) and spoilt. It make sense. Missy was impressionable when she wedded Nando. It is hard to pin point where her relationship with her husband went sour. It was between them rather than the mother-in-law. Elisabetta's later actions of allying herself to her brother and drifted periodically to Missy was certainly not stable. She even once forgot her manners and slapped her sister Helen...
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Janet Ashton on January 03, 2010, 05:44:19 AM
Nevertheless, she did try to play favourites with her daughters-in-law. I read from other sources that Antonia was rich (she most certainly was) and spoilt. It make sense.


In the beginning, she obviously liked Marie more than Maria Theresia, and didn't hesitate to show this to them. They thought this was "playing favourites" but she called it "being direct". Empress Frederick tended to characterize Antonia as immature and rather over-protected by Leopold, at least when she was young, but no-one else disliked her; I suspect that "other sources" which call her spoilt are bios of Queen Marie taking their cue from queen Marie; very little else has been written on Antonia specifically, at least in English (though a friend and I have an article in a forthcoming RDQ). I am just interested in he because I like the Portuguese language and wanted to do another article that uses it!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2010, 08:20:06 PM
Anyway, Elisabetta was worse than her grandmother, as she did dabble in politics and family relationships.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on January 15, 2010, 12:03:05 PM
George :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/georgie2.jpg)

Elisabeth :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/xcvf.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on January 20, 2010, 01:51:21 PM
Elisabeth, Mignon and George in Tatoi, 1923-1924  :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/geintatoi.jpg)

Elisabeth in evening dress with her brother Carol and Guests, 1931-1932 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/elisabethgrienchencarol.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on January 23, 2010, 04:57:17 AM
George and Elisabeth with their dog :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/gfre.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
They look very happy togather.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on January 24, 2010, 05:45:45 AM
Yes, appearances are often deceptive. Keeping up appearances was still one of the lessons that could shoot the royals of their princely education.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on February 05, 2010, 05:08:28 AM
George :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/geelisa.jpg)

Elisabeth :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/lisa.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on February 05, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
I believe the 2nd photo, of Elizabeth, came after her illness when she was so sickly looking and thin. She had the rather severe bob then too--didn't she have to have her hair cut off due to her illness?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on February 08, 2010, 10:50:26 AM
Queen Elisabeta in beautiful dress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/idg.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
I think the tiara came from Marie Coburg, her Russian grandmother.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 08, 2010, 01:51:05 PM


http://i50.tinypic.com/2pyuzco.jpg

This is the same posed but retouched for the newspaper. Awesome to see the real one!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on February 12, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
Ex-Queen of Greece - in the middle - with her mother Marie of Romania and her sister Ileana :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/th_mief.jpg) (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/?action=view&current=mief.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: ashdean on March 12, 2010, 12:10:27 PM
I think the tiara came from Marie Coburg, her Russian grandmother.
Could you please provide the details for yr statement?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2010, 04:08:25 PM
I have seen Marie Coburg wore a similar tiara. At least in contruction. I can sent you the photo in question you can compare.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 18, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
Young Elisaveta

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2dh662u.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 18, 2010, 08:33:10 PM
I think she copied this pose from her mother.  ;)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on March 21, 2010, 12:07:13 PM
Queen Elisabeth of Greece :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/elizabethgreece.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/elisab.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 21, 2010, 12:37:58 PM
what a difference between the first and the last picture. In the last she looks beautiful and in the first...ejem...not so.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2010, 03:05:57 PM
Elisabeth was wearing Queen Olga of Greece's emeralds which she reset for her taste. They were later passed to Queen Frederica.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 05, 2010, 11:29:50 AM
Elisaveta with Queen Elisaveta dn king Carol I

(http://i41.tinypic.com/ac3p60.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 05, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Yes. Elisabetta got along with "Aunty" and "Onkel" better than her mother.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: miki_nastya on April 05, 2010, 01:55:36 PM
Oh..my God..that picture it's wonderful..I never seen it before...thnaks
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Clemence on April 10, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
am I the only one to find elizabeth ugly and tottaly without grace?

I guess I also dislike her from whatever I read on her, till now. I don't see how there are people who find pleasure talking about her and her fotos today!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 10, 2010, 06:41:25 AM
im with you, Clemence!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2010, 10:32:39 AM
Well...Missy wrote that her eldest daughter had beautiful features (most certainly Georgie of Greece thinks so too if not he would not have persue her until she agrees to marry him). However I agree she was not graceful nor elegant.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: ilyala on April 12, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
I find her the ugliest of Missy's daughters - and I'm not even using character in that judgment (although she did have an ugly character too). She was pretty when she was young (child/teenager) but as she reached maturity I found her quite ugly.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 12, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
Well...Elisabetta did had s challenging life, but I agree her temperment also did not help her in her struggle. Her looks became a mirror of her frurstation, selfishness and disapointment.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on April 13, 2010, 02:35:08 PM
Well...Missy wrote that her eldest daughter had beautiful features (most certainly Georgie of Greece thinks so too if not he would not have persue her until she agrees to marry him). However I agree she was not graceful nor elegant.

The biographers of Marie of Romania, however, agree to say that Elizabeth, child and adolescent, was very beautiful. Some, like Guy Gauthier even claim that she " was beautiful as a princess in a fairy tale." This is not my opinion. I think rather that Mignon was the prettiest girls.

Here Elisabeta as Queen of Greece :

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1493/elvg.jpg) (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/elvg.jpg/)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2010, 04:58:49 PM
I think both Elisabetta & Mignon were outstandingly beautiful as children, after they grew up both had a weight problem. Ileana seemed to be the most trim of the sisters.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on May 02, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
George, Elisabeth and Mignon :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/478643georgeelisamaria.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=478643georgeelisamaria.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 02, 2010, 12:22:25 PM
im sure that one was already posted in the beggining of this topic

I melt over this one

Giorgos II.1946. From Life archives

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4553242054_1e4cbe29bc_o.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2010, 12:28:20 PM
Did she spent time with him after George's divorce ?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 07, 2010, 10:52:58 AM
am I the only one to find elizabeth ugly and tottaly without grace?

I guess I also dislike her from whatever I read on her, till now. I don't see how there are people who find pleasure talking about her and her fotos today!

Well I cannot agree with you're opinion. I must agree with you that there are some really unflattering portraits of Elizabeth, but ugly is rather harsh I think. She looks for example absolutely gorgeous in the portraits that show her wearing the emeralds that came from the possesion of Queen Olga of Greece nee of Russia. Also the portrait of her in furs and tiara that was posted by KarlandZita a few pages ago is really elegant and truly presenting a Queen (just my opinion offcourse). The above portrait of Elisabeta as Queen of Greece posted by KarlandZita (I'm very thankfull you posted it, I would love to see it in colour) falls in the same category I think. Aldo I must admit she really has a talent to look dramatic in almost every (official) portrait I know of her, it seems to suit her in some kind of way. In some snapshots I've seen of her in the years before the Second World War she seemed to me quit elegant. Like a picture I saw of her, with her mother and Queen Giovanna of Bulgaria at Diana Mandache's blog, she looks lovely in her outfit. Just my opinion offcourse, but I have seen uglier things around.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 07, 2010, 11:01:34 AM
Maybe not ugly but "plain looking"?. Anyways that s secondary, what makes her being "ugly" is her character, more than her face, body or whatever.

And another thing Elegance and beauty are NOT the same thing. You can be normal, not a beauty and being elegant ;-) and Elisaveta was elegant, but not a beauty  (attractive? perhaps to some people, not to me)

With her nrother Carol

(http://i44.tinypic.com/mwd576.jpg)



Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 07, 2010, 11:48:37 AM
I don't think Elisabetta was ugly, actually if one count features, she was considered a beauty (a dark one).
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2010, 12:11:30 PM
Maybe not ugly but "plain looking"?. Anyways that s secondary, what makes her being "ugly" is her character, more than her face, body or whatever.

And another thing Elegance and beauty are NOT the same thing. You can be normal, not a beauty and being elegant ;-) and Elisaveta was elegant, but not a beauty  (attractive? perhaps to some people, not to me)


I agree--the Duchess of Windsor comes to mind. I don't think anyone has ever called her a beauty but she certainly had elegance and something that drew men to her.

As for Elisabeth, she never struck me as elegant. I don't know her height but she always struck me as rather ungainly in how she carried herself. Even 'dolled up' she didn't seem elegant. I do think she was a lovely child but those looks didn't carry.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 07, 2010, 01:16:20 PM
Maybe not ugly but "plain looking"?. Anyways that s secondary, what makes her being "ugly" is her character, more than her face, body or whatever.

And another thing Elegance and beauty are NOT the same thing. You can be normal, not a beauty and being elegant ;-) and Elisaveta was elegant, but not a beauty  (attractive? perhaps to some people, not to me)

With her nrother Carol

(http://i44.tinypic.com/mwd576.jpg)



Thank you for you're lovely image of the siblings.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/LASZLO1.jpg)

I think the 'the Lazlo' of Elisabeta is quite elegant.

I agree with you that her character was far from the warmth that for example her mother possessed. But that does not necessary mean 'it' will expresses itself through in the person's appearance. Their are also 'evil' people who are very beautiful. Think of the 'femme fatale' for example.

I know that elegance and beauty are two very diffrent features, but I never used elegance as a statement or argument to prove that Elisabeta was beautiful. I just think she was quite elegant in some of her portraits and snap-shots. But maybe I have a diffrent way of looking at elegance. I think (miracles apparently have not left the world) I have to agree a little bit with Eric on this one and disagree with gdella.

Aldo I will agree the Duchess of Windsor example, I think Elisabeta did not appear 'ungainly' all the time (more during the first two decades of the twentieth century, when the fashion did not suit her at all most of that time). Like I said before, the portraits that KarlandZita posted of her, prove quite the opposite I think. No, not a real natural beauty, but when I think of plan and ungainly it's not Elisabeta that comes up in my mind as first.

Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 07, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
Hmmm..Elisaveta, at least for me was faaaar away from being a "femme fatale".
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 07, 2010, 01:32:04 PM
Hahaha...I couldn't agree more! Not even de Laszlo could make that happen!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2010, 03:16:40 PM

I think (miracles apparently have not left the world) I have to agree a little bit with Eric on this one and disagree with gdella.


What?!?!  :o :) ;)  

I do think that deLazslo could make just about anyone look good though. Maybe it was just the fashion of the times (and no, they didn't suit her much) but she never struck me as 'at ease' with herself or naturally graceful in the way she carried herself. That's what I meant by ungainly--feel free to continue to disagree though.  ;)  There are some photos where she looks just fine but mostly she strikes me as very severe and 'handsome' but not really in a positive way. And in others, such as the one on page 1 or 2 of this thread where she's sitting on the couch with George, she just looks downright frumpy.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 06, 2010, 11:40:07 AM
handsome Giorgos

(http://i49.tinypic.com/29bc860.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2010, 02:20:18 PM
Yes he was. I read he had a girlfriend in his life, but he did not remarry after his divorce from Elisabetta.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 07, 2010, 09:18:36 AM
She was his significant other, a devoted one by accounts. I believe her name was Britton-Jones? I just read an article about them in an old Royalty Digest so you'd think my memory was better. An old scrapbook I bought had a magazine photo of the 2 of them walking in London.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2010, 11:57:40 AM
Yes. I think his mother would have been pleased if he had married her, especially if she was British. Queen Sophie never really approved of Elisabetta.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 07, 2010, 03:42:10 PM
Even though she was a divorcee and a commoner?

Here's what Time magazine wrote of her (without naming her) at the time of the recall:

Not since the Wallis Warfield affair had elite London drawing rooms echoed to such a coo of deliciously subdued conversation. "My dear—not the King of the Greeks!" "And just after he had won the plebiscite!" "How awful for the Foreign Office!" "And for the poor dear Hellenes!" "Hasn't he grown children, or something?"

Facts seemed to bear out the rumors: King George II of Greece has an English mistress and he insists on taking her home to Athens with him. He has insisted that he will not go without her, and some of his friends think that he would rather give up his throne than leave her permanently.

The matter has been discussed unofficially with individuals at the Foreign Office. They have been asked, purely in a personal way, if she could not be given some British official status in order to arrange for a passport and passage. The answer has been: no, it just won't do. So King George is thinking of making her lady-in-waiting to his sister, Princess Catherine, who is now in London and expects to return with her brother or follow soon after he goes to Athens. Friends close to the royal suite think that this will be done.

The King's mistress, a middle-aging brunette and a beauty in a quiet way, is described by people who know her as modest, attractive and pleasant. She dresses in quiet good taste, lives "somewhere in the country," where King George visits her. She has a teen-age daughter. Mother and daughter are now studying elementary Greek.

She is also reported to have been in Athens and Cairo at various times with King George, notably when he was more or less "confined" in Egypt early in World War II. Later, she is rumored to have done some kind of war factory work in Britain.

In London, King George has lived at Claridge's Hotel, all but immured in his suite, where he sees nobody except his very small staff, a very few friends, and, currently, his sister Catherine. His mistress has never been known to visit him there. He goes off quietly to see her. On the Sunday of the recent plebiscite , he dropped out of sight completely. The explanation was that he was "in the country with friends." The general supposition that he was in the country with his friend is borne out by the vigor with which his staff rejected all inquiries concerning his whereabouts at the time.

The lady is retiring by nature, but she is not ostracized. She does not move in anything that could be called "court circles," but several of her friends, with & without titles, do. Though she has not appeared in recent years in London's high society, she is accepted in it.


Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Vecchiolarry on June 07, 2010, 11:38:13 PM
Hi,

If I remember correctly, this woman's name was Joyce Britten-Jones and she was 'received' in high society.
She had a calming effect on George II and was close to all the Greek royals, especially Frederica.

Larry
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 01:09:47 PM
Thanks for the information. I can see why Edward VIII went to holiday with Wallis to Greece. George II must be very sympathetic to his fellow king's situation.

I wonder why no photo or story on Joyce Britten-Jones ? She seemed to be very discreet and most probably truly in love with George. I think a book should be written.  :)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 01:58:56 PM
Thanks for the information. I can see why Edward VIII went to holiday with Wallis to Greece. George II must be very sympathetic to his fellow king's situation.

I wonder why no photo or story on Joyce Britten-Jones ?

Maybe because she was so very discreet? Chances are there's very little in the way of correspondence, there's some to be found in newspapers/magazines and a few photos. Maybe an article but a whole book?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 02:14:51 PM
Here's some info from Marlene from the 1st page of this thread!


Am filing some clips, and came across the Washington Post article that I mentioned before

"Romance Rocks another throne"   11-3-1946. 
At the time,  Joyce Brittain-Jones was waiting for Foreign Office approval to go to Greece, and she had the support of the king's sister, Katherine "who had told the foreign office in no uncertain terms that she wishes Mrs. Brittain-Jones to come to Athens as soon as possible and live at the palace as her lady in waiting."

She was educated in France, and in 1924 married Capt. John Brittain-JOnes, an army officer, and was the ADC to the viceroy of India = and she met George II when he visited India in 1935.  She divorced her husband and moved to Greece.   She lived in a summer palace on Mt, Parnis until the king went into exile, and she joined him at Claridges - she also accompanied him on a visit to the USA in 1943.
"during his wartime exile in London, the KIng and Mrs. Brittain Jones were freely received in high British society. She is an intimate friend of George's cousin, the Duchess of Kent."

Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 02:15:29 PM
Thanks for the information. I can see why Edward VIII went to holiday with Wallis to Greece. George II must be very sympathetic to his fellow king's situation.

I wonder why no photo or story on Joyce Britten-Jones ?

Maybe because she was so very discreet? Chances are there's very little in the way of correspondence, there's some to be found in newspapers/magazines and a few photos. Maybe an article but a whole book?

And Marlene has done a nice write-up on her blog

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2008/08/joyce-brittain-jones-kings-companion.html
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
Yes. She was accepted in the family. I wonder when she died or was she with him till the end...?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
Regarding a visit to Cairo:

The first noted arrival was that of Joyce Britten-Jones, King George of Greece's long time mistress, on her way to join him in Greece. Anthony Eden sent a message to Lampson, asking him to look after her and to treat her visit to Cairo as "very hush-hush". Artemis Cooper recounted how the "secret" landing actually took place: "As it happened [Mrs Britten-Jones] arrived in a blaze of glory. Peter Coates, representing General Wavel, had been sent to Heliopolis airport to meet General de Gaulle. All the Free French dignitaries of Cairo had gathered on the runway: the door of the plane opened, the band struck up the Marseillaise --and out stepped Mrs. Britten-Jones. She had shared the General's flight on the last lap of her long journey from London to Cairo and he had courteously let her preceed him out of the plane."

Soon after, wrote Cooper, the first royal party coming by sea travelled to Cairo. "It consisted of the ex-Regent of Yugoslavia, Prince Paul, with his wife Princess Olga and their three children. King Peter of Yugoslavia, King Paul's nephew, passed through Alexandria on his way to Palestine a week later. George of Greece who had escaped from Athens was evacuated in mid-May from Crete to Cairo with his private entourage which included Prime Minister Emmanuel Tsouderos, various members of the royal family, the king's younger brother Crown Prince Paul and his wife Princess Frederica, their two children, the king's sister Princess Katherine and Mrs. Britten-Jones, described this time as 'lady-in-waiting to Princess Frederica'." In early June, after the departure of Princess Katherine, King George and Mrs Britten-Jones moved into the Mena House. A shocked Lampson consigned his opinion on the move in his diary: "I must say, I thought this slightly infradig on his part. In the days of Charles II there was no doubt a recognised protocol for royal mistresses, but nowadays I have a strong feeling that kings should keep this side more submerged."

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Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Yes. She was accepted in the family. I wonder when she died or was she with him till the end...?

Marlene's article references that.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
From a French site, so translation might be a little rough:

Joyce Britten-Jones has been one of the few real concubines of history that has been remembered with admiration, because she was never involved in entredichos or intrigues palatial and good account behaved admirably in times of crisis. The husband of the Britten-Jones was an alcoholic captain of the Black Watch, a body of the Highlanders, who was help of field of the viceroy of India when King George visited that country after be reinstated on the throne of Greece in 1935 by General Kondylis. Georgios divorced Princess Elizabeth on July 6. In such circumstances George II and Mrs Britten-Jones met and began his adulterous relationship.

Britten-Jones British influence on the King of Greece made Prime Minister Eden required an airfare to Greece from London via, in the month of March. However the effort made by members of security could not prevent filter the news of his journey. The aircraft was General Charles De Gaulle, who demanded that first descended ship Madam Britten-Jones for him do so immediately after accompanied by La Marseillaise chords. Finally, in early April, Joyce Britten-Jones came to Athens, shortly after Germany began the invasion of Greece.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 02:21:29 PM
Wow ! I guess the Greek Royal Family's acceptance of Mrs. Britton-Jones is the envy of the Duke of Windsor. But really George II never really had to choose between his mistress and the throne...
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Post by: mjl1786 on June 08, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
While we're on the subject of Wallis and Ms. Brittain-Jones...

John Van Der Kiste in his book "Kings of the Hellenes", he mentions that when Edward VIII visited the Greek islands with Wallis in tow, she had "innocently" asked why George II did not simply marry his mistress. One of the guests replied, rather tactlessly, that it would be impossible for the King of the Hellenes to marry a commoner who was already married.

The 1970s miniseries "Edward and Mrs. Simpson" also portrays this scene, and the actress portraying Wallis has a rather grim look on her face after the guest explains the impossibility of George II being able to marry his mistress.

Interesting parallels between George II's personal life and Edward VIII's.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 03:16:07 PM
Yes. Actually Edward VIII was in a better moral standpoint than George II (or Prince Charles or Karol II), he was single and available for marriage.
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 08, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
So was George II by the time they took up. And Edward VIII messed around with plenty of married women--no high morality there! Marlene's article gives the impression that she divorced her husband because she and the King fell in love--they carried on their romance after both were free. In fact, she was the one to charge her husband with adultery.

To quote from Marlene:

" Joyce Brittain-Jones was very different from Elena Lupescu or Wallis Simpson. She provided the king "the quiet domesticity that was denied him in his loveless first marriage," according to a 1946 profile of Mrs. Brittain-Jones. that was published in the Washington Post. During their 12 years together, the couple were "not frequenters of the pleasure spots by the international glamour set.""
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Post by: mjl1786 on June 08, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
To quote from Marlene:

" Joyce Brittain-Jones was very different from Elena Lupescu or Wallis Simpson. She provided the king "the quiet domesticity that was denied him in his loveless first marriage," according to a 1946 profile of Mrs. Brittain-Jones. that was published in the Washington Post. During their 12 years together, the couple were "not frequenters of the pleasure spots by the international glamour set.""

Exactly. With Wallis Simpson and Magda Lupescu there was definitely the sense that they were after the position, the titles, the royal lifestyle (especially with Lupescu...), while with Brittain-Jones, it seems she genuinely was in love with the king and wasn't looking to be made his consort.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2010, 09:35:15 AM
I guess she got kudos because she was never married to the man unlike the other two. Also you must realise it was Edward VIII who pursued Wallis, and not the other way around. Wallis was ready to throw in the towel and go back to her travels (Balitimore, China, England), but David wanted her.
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Post by: ashdean on June 09, 2010, 02:46:18 PM
I guess she got kudos because she was never married to the man unlike the other two. Also you must realise it was Edward VIII who pursued Wallis, and not the other way around. Wallis was ready to throw in the towel and go back to her travels (Balitimore, China, England), but David wanted her.
Baloney!
Wallis had no intention of dumping him....it was all drama!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2010, 02:52:02 PM
Well...the facts said otherwise. It was he who chased after her and not she towards him (at the end of the abdication drama). Realistically, an abdicated king and marriage is not Wallis style anyway. She had to keep him amused because he did this for her, she could never live this down.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 22, 2010, 12:13:35 PM
Elisabeth with other women and sister Marie

(http://i48.tinypic.com/1zgqd92.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 22, 2010, 01:10:48 PM
The middle lady looks Romanian. Maybe a lady in waiting ?
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Post by: DavidH on July 06, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Perhaps regulars on this message board might be interested to know that I am currently completing a major article about Joyce Brittain Jones for a future edition of RDQ. I don't think anyone (apart from Marlene) has investigated the life and background of this most discreet of royal mistresses but the story I have unearthed is fascinating and her connection to the Greek royal family is far more complex and long lasting than is generally realised.

My research has taken me to the UK National Archives in Kew, to Cambridge, to the Indian Library at the British Library (Mrs BJ was born in India) and I have received a huge amount of help from many other writers and historians. The Marquis of Queensberry (his aunt was Mrs BJ's stepmother) gave me access to his aunt's unpublished memoirs.

My great problem is illustrations. Apart from a rather tiny image in Arthur Gould Lee's 'Royal House of Greece' - there seems very little else - and I would be interested to know if anyone else has come across photographs of the 'Mrs Simpson of Greece'. There was an superb photograph of Mrs BJ in the Greek Gazette magazine a few years ago but I only have a poor photocopy. 

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Post by: grandduchessella on July 06, 2010, 09:01:54 PM
Perhaps regulars on this message board might be interested to know that I am currently completing a major article about Joyce Brittain Jones for a future edition of RDQ. I don't think anyone (apart from Marlene) has investigated the life and background of this most discreet of royal mistresses but the story I have unearthed is fascinating and her connection to the Greek royal family is far more complex and long lasting than is generally realised.

My research has taken me to the UK National Archives in Kew, to Cambridge, to the Indian Library at the British Library (Mrs BJ was born in India) and I have received a huge amount of help from many other writers and historians. The Marquis of Queensberry (his aunt was Mrs BJ's stepmother) gave me access to his aunt's unpublished memoirs.

My great problem is illustrations. Apart from a rather tiny image in Arthur Gould Lee's 'Royal House of Greece' - there seems very little else - and I would be interested to know if anyone else has come across photographs of the 'Mrs Simpson of Greece'. There was an superb photograph of Mrs BJ in the Greek Gazette magazine a few years ago but I only have a poor photocopy. 



I bought an old scrapbook that had an photograph of what is supposed to be George and Joyce walking in London. I would have to dig the scrapbook out and it would have to be verified but if those 2 things can be accomplished you would be more than welcome to use it. It was a good size photo of decent quality--though not the highest-quality magazine paper. It's been some time since I've seen it so I can't recall anymore specifically--just that I was excited to see it.  :)  I would just need to know when you would need it because Lord knows my house is in chaos right now and where exactly the scrapbook is packed away is anyone's guess. And I hadn't scanned the image. Just let me know.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2010, 11:27:24 AM
Thanks for your efforts. She seemed like an interesting person to know and research. Elisabetta did not have such a steady influrence in her life after her split from George.
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Post by: DavidH on July 07, 2010, 05:28:25 PM
Thanks Grandduchessella
I really appreciate your offer of help and would love to see the image you described. I have sent you a message including my contact details.
Again many thanks
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 11, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
I wonder when was the last time Elisabetta and George met ?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: DavidH on July 11, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
At the funeral of Queen Sophie in 1932.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Clemence on July 11, 2010, 05:19:29 PM
I wonder if there were many queens who really hated their countries half as much q. elisabeth hated greece ... it strikes me every time I read something about her, remains quite hard for me to understand how that marriage even lasted that long!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on July 11, 2010, 06:37:18 PM
Thanks Grandduchessella
I really appreciate your offer of help and would love to see the image you described. I have sent you a message including my contact details.
Again many thanks

I finally located the right scrapbook! I was beginning to freak. It is a nice picture--you can see her very well, not blurry at all--and it is ID'd as her in the contemporary caption (Nov 1946). I will get it scanned and e-mailed off to you.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2010, 09:48:19 AM
I don't think she hated Greece, but circumstances of her marriage made it sour for her. Elisabetta was so isolated there with few friends ready to help her.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 21, 2010, 08:55:11 AM
Elisaveta looking good


(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4583/evr.jpg) (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/evr.jpg/)
 
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Post by: royal_netherlands on July 21, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1922TheRoyalFamilyofGreece.jpg)

Elizabeth with George, his parents King Constantine I and Queen Sophie and her sisters-inlaw Irene and Helen in 1922. Thinking about it Helen was twice her sister-inlaw because of her marriage with Helen's brother George and Helen's marriage to Elizabeth's brother Carol. Funny both the married women (Sophie and Elizabeth) look very devoted towards their husbands. Aldo Sophie looks a bit more devoted than Elizabeth... ;)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 21, 2010, 09:41:26 PM
Queen Sophie looked sad here.  :(
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Post by: miki_nastya on July 22, 2010, 05:28:25 AM
yes she look sad because of the dead of her second son Alexander. At least I think so.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 22, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
Yes...although both Constantine and Helen were smiling. He looked a bit weak though...
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Post by: kmerov on July 22, 2010, 04:07:14 PM
Alexander died in 1920 so it seems a "long" time to look sad in pictures, but wearing plain black clothes doesn't help you to look jolly.  And I don't question she felt her sons death the rest of her life, naturally.
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 25, 2010, 11:13:10 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1922TheRoyalFamilyofGreece.jpg)

Elizabeth with George, his parents King Constantine I and Queen Sophie and her sisters-inlaw Irene and Helen in 1922. Thinking about it Helen was twice her sister-inlaw because of her marriage with Helen's brother George and Helen's marriage to Elizabeth's brother Carol. Funny both the married women (Sophie and Elizabeth) look very devoted towards their husbands. Aldo Sophie looks a bit more devoted than Elizabeth... ;)

Wow, great picture ! Thank you very much, Royal Netherland for posted this touching family photo which is also my venerable Helen. Because it's always a great pleasure for me to discover new photos of her, especially those dating from those years (1921-1922) where I believe she was still happy.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2010, 03:06:04 PM
King George II of greeted by Princesses Nicolas and Andrew of Greece in 1946 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/728896vbg_002.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=728896vbg_002.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 28, 2010, 04:18:42 PM
Rare photo !!! Where is this from ? Is it from an archiev ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2010, 04:23:12 PM
Rare photo !!! Where is this from ? Is it from an archiev ?

From the ABC Hemeroteca online.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 29, 2010, 10:09:13 AM
Thanks ! Do you have a link ?  :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2010, 10:20:17 AM
Just google what Karlandzita wrote and you will find it.

Elisabeth (left) with her mother Marie and aunt Beatrice in Spain

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1455/sw468.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/sw468.jpg/)
 



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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 29, 2010, 10:23:12 AM
The middle lady looked more like Ena than Missy.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
I was looking at the picture and i think its Ena but in ABC appears as Queen Marie.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 29, 2010, 01:11:37 PM
Thanks ! Do you have a link ?  :)

Here the direct link :

http://hemeroteca.abc.es/

Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 29, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
Thanks ! However since I do not know Spanish I cannot search for pics.  :(
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
Actually its not a photoarchive but a lot of scanned newspapers. Its very helpful when you need some information. Pictures are just a plus and sadly, mostly of them have awful "photocopy" quality.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 02, 2010, 10:54:13 AM
George II and Elisabeth in England :

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/212542georgeelisa.gif) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=212542georgeelisa.gif)

(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/840155georgiegelisa.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=840155georgiegelisa.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 03, 2010, 02:23:09 PM
Looks like a kind of Viking themed festival...More information ?  :)
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 06, 2010, 02:12:59 PM
A funny picture of Elisabeth fishing :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/488367elisafish.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=488367elisafish.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 10, 2010, 11:50:06 AM
Elisabeta with her cocker spaniel dog, 1922 :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/433015printesaelisabetaspanieldog.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=433015printesaelisabetaspanieldog.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 09:44:39 AM
Anybody know the name of the dog ?
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Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 11, 2010, 03:12:15 PM
Spiro!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 04:20:08 PM
Thanks. Was that her only dog ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 13, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
George II and Prince of Walles on a tennis court :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/277947davidgeorgetennis.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=277947davidgeorgetennis.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
George II had much sympathy for Edward VIII in his love for Mrs. Simpson. That was why he went to Greece as he knew he would be welcome to holiday there with Wallis.
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 17, 2010, 04:51:15 AM
George II had much sympathy for Edward VIII in his love for Mrs. Simpson. That was why he went to Greece as he knew he would be welcome to holiday there with Wallis.

George was the more disposed to be lenient at the time the rumor whispered that English lady shared his life without a job.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2010, 06:01:15 PM
Yes. I don't think as high profile as Wallis...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2010, 01:23:36 PM
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8273/dfrgrtg.jpg) (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/dfrgrtg.jpg/)

 
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Post by: slavona on November 07, 2010, 06:13:31 AM
Does anyone has a photo of Lisabeta after 1940? I found only 2 from a ceremony with Mihai and Sitta and I am intersted in her jewelry!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2010, 02:49:25 PM
Elisabetta lost most of her jewelry after she escape from Romania. The authorities only allow her to take 10 items, the rest of her jewelry & goods she had to leave behind (including her portrait by De Laszlo (which is now lost)).  :(
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8273/dfrgrtg.jpg) (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/dfrgrtg.jpg/)

 

I believe the photo was taken as they were embarking on their exile.
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Post by: slavona on November 08, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
Elisabetta lost most of her jewelry after she escape from Romania. The authorities only allow her to take 10 items, the rest of her jewelry & goods she had to leave behind (including her portrait by De Laszlo (which is now lost)).  :(
I know. But she remain in Romania after Carol II left in 1940 and I did`t saw many pictures, especially with jewelry ( and I`m sore Missy left her something )!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2010, 10:10:35 AM
I think she sold some and lost most when she left Romania.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 12, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
A nice image of young Elisabeth

(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5940/granger0127193preview.jpg) (http://img186.imageshack.us/i/granger0127193preview.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2011, 09:08:26 AM
Portrait of George

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4006/ghgfhfghfgh.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/ghgfhfghfgh.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2011, 11:23:24 AM
Is this a Philip De Lazslo ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2011, 11:49:55 AM
Not sure but i think its
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
That's what I thought too. A pair with Elisabetta's that was lost...
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 09, 2011, 07:42:48 AM
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/9721892505.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=9721892505.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
Elizabeth :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/410582elizaveta.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=410582elizaveta.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/577493elizaveta2.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=577493elizaveta2.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 23, 2011, 10:48:15 AM
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/758792elisabetagreece.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=758792elisabetagreece.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on March 09, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
Queen Elisabeth in a beautiful dress :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/406781exreineelisabeth.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=406781exreineelisabeth.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 28, 2011, 08:15:43 AM


A nice image of Elisaveta

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/63/fskl.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/fskl.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 12, 2011, 08:35:37 AM
Elisaveta. 1925

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3367/img021os.jpg) (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/img021os.jpg/)

 
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 17, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/52156317e49ab5e3a1ba17bf320544deb514e32.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=52156317e49ab5e3a1ba17bf320544deb514e32.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/8316781596329715bdf5a5cbede91ed812e22d7.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=8316781596329715bdf5a5cbede91ed812e22d7.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on October 22, 2011, 07:14:21 AM
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/30221810470970a.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=30221810470970a.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on December 03, 2011, 07:47:20 AM
Ex-Queen Elizabeth of Greece with her brother Nicolas in Romania, 1931 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/933620elizabetanicolas1931.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=933620elizabetanicolas1931.jpg)

Click image for larger version.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 23, 2011, 08:18:11 AM
Toddler Elisaveta

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2217/elisavetaa.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/elisavetaa.jpg/)

 
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2012, 07:53:16 AM
The Ex-Queen of Greece between her nephew Michael and her brother Carol in Romania :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/399993778.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=399993778.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on January 14, 2012, 09:41:16 AM
I like the look of Elisabeth in this photo
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
Even stout, Elizabeth was always very elegant.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2012, 01:18:33 PM
I think she was more stately (like her great aunt Miechen (Grand Duchess Vladimir of Russia) & grandmother Marie Coburg (daughter of Tsar Alexander II)) than elegant.
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Post by: Marc on January 19, 2012, 07:42:36 AM
I like the look of Elisabeth in this photo

Me too,she looks so grand...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
She was not the granddaughter of a Russian Grand Duchess for nothing.  ;)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on February 04, 2012, 04:39:41 AM
Ex-King and Queen of Greece during their exile in England :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/203075geinexile.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=203075geinexile.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/830019georgeexile.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=830019georgeexile.jpg)
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 04, 2012, 10:15:57 AM
Hi,

I like the smiling pictures of both George and Elisabeth;  they both look very happy.

I think Elisabeth is both elegant and stately.

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2012, 12:53:58 PM
It is interesting that both their mothers consider England their spiritual home. I wonder if Elisabetta love living there. Was she close to her Aunt Bee, who had a cottage there ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on February 06, 2012, 07:26:19 AM
Hi,

I like the smiling pictures of both George and Elisabeth;  they both look very happy.

I think Elisabeth is both elegant and stately.

Larry

I am afraid that the smiles are a facade intended for the journalists ; In reality, attributing from this time few chances to her husband to find his throne, Elisabeth already thought of leaving George to get back to her native Bucharest to live the stable and comfortable life there which really suited her.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2012, 08:21:06 AM
I do wonder how Elisabetta liked England ?
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Post by: IslandDweller on February 10, 2012, 09:44:40 AM
Elisabeth has always fascinated me. Are reports that she died in poverty true? Were the ten items of jewelry she was allowed to take out of Romania all she had in the world? It'd be nice to think there was some foreign property or bank accounts.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2012, 11:19:41 AM
I think she did not have much in terms of assets after she was exiled from Romania.
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Post by: IslandDweller on February 11, 2012, 03:02:41 PM
Well I guess that's par for the course for exiles. I was hoping that the alleged fact that she tried to establish a salon in Paris meant that she had ample resources for entertaining. I confess I try to believe that this woman wasn't quite as bad as tradition has it, and that her later circumstances also weren't so bad.

Thanks for responding.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2012, 12:23:57 PM
I think living in Paris could be on the cheap (like the family of Prince Nicholas of Greece), and as a royal princess it was easy to establish a salon there.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on February 25, 2012, 07:40:25 AM
Elizabeth, George and King Ferdinand in Sinaia, 1920 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/565067elisabethferdinandgeorge.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=565067elisabethferdinandgeorge.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/444015greeckromanians.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=444015greeckromanians.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2012, 03:24:47 PM
I wonder if Nando was fond of his son-in-law George ?
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Post by: Clemence on April 04, 2012, 11:36:27 AM
Is there a photo of Joyce Britten-Jones anywhere?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 05, 2012, 09:41:51 AM
Never seen one...
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Post by: Clemence on April 09, 2012, 12:35:58 PM
http://mam.avarchive.gr/portal/digitalview.jsp?get_ac_id=2954&thid=17815 (http://mam.avarchive.gr/portal/digitalview.jsp?get_ac_id=2954&thid=17815)

Video of the funeral of King George II in 1947 in Athens ...
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2012, 02:18:38 PM
I wonder where Elisabetta was that day...
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 09, 2012, 04:26:51 PM
Is there a photo of Joyce Britten-Jones anywhere?

I actually came across one in an old scrapbook I bought off ebay some years back.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/GREECE/get-attachment1.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Clemence on April 12, 2012, 02:17:06 PM
thank you so very much! She was the greek Wallis ... I always wanted to see how she looked like ... and it was a great love story!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2012, 01:51:41 PM
Would love to know more about her. No book has been written about her affair with the King. She was always a side story and I think she prefers it that way.
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Post by: miki_nastya on May 01, 2012, 05:58:28 PM
are there any pictures of her when she was old?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2012, 07:08:35 AM
Haven't seen one.
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Post by: grandduchessella on May 02, 2012, 03:32:48 PM
David Horbury was going to be writing an article about her, I believe. I had lent a copy of the photo to him. I hadn't seen the article published yet but it was awhile back. I would imagine it was maybe for Royalty Digest Quarterly?
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Post by: KarlandZita on May 11, 2012, 02:13:25 PM
George II in England, circa 1935, with the background, his sister Helen :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/799350georgeselena.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=799350georgeselena.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
George has always been good looking but in a hard way compared to his bothers Alexander & Paul.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 07:35:30 AM
Elizabeth :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/400187queenofgreece.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=400187queenofgreece.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 07:45:15 AM
George :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/392953mw126307.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=392953mw126307.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
They had something going before exile and divided loyalties tore them apart. To be fair, Elisabetta was never fully accepted by the Greek Royal Family in general.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on June 02, 2012, 05:41:20 AM
They had something going before exile and divided loyalties tore them apart. To be fair, Elisabetta was never fully accepted by the Greek Royal Family in general.

It must be said that Elizabeth had a character and a very different behavior of the members of Greek family. She was very proud and imbued with her row and her royal ancestry. Her own mother, Queen Marie of Romania did not include this child so proud and did not feel close to her.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 02, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
Well...From the letters to Missy, Elisabetta did try to merge with the Greeks. However she had no allies in that family other than Helen. Queen Sophie wasn't kind to her and did not gave her any jewels after the wedding.
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Post by: KarlandZita on June 10, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
George again became Crown Prince, after the return of his father on his throne in 1920 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/776907201202041439021.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=776907201202041439021.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/644358201202041439023.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=644358201202041439023.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/962175201202041439024.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=962175201202041439024.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/114264201202041439025.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=114264201202041439025.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2012, 12:40:36 PM
He was a very handsome young man.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on June 12, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
He was a very handsome young man.

George had, like Helen, inherited features from his mother Sophie. Both were the most beautiful among the children of Constantine but, in return, they were also those who were soon marked by age, quickly losing their freshness and youthful appearance, and appearing older than their other siblings at the same age.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2012, 11:10:20 AM
I think Helen kept up her looks much better than her sisters Irene & Katherine. As for George, yes he aged prematurely, but I think Paul also did.
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Post by: Clemence on June 30, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
Is there a picture of Queen Elizabeth by Tamara de Lempicka somewhere in the forum?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2012, 11:32:19 AM
Don't think she was painted by Tamera, she was definitely painted by Philip de Laszlo
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Post by: grandduchessella on June 30, 2012, 02:13:04 PM
She was painted by her--don't know the date and haven't seen a picture anywhere. There doesn't seem to be much info on it--just that it was done sometime 'by the 1930's'.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 30, 2012, 10:57:21 PM
I never saw a photo of that portrait if it ever existed. If the portrait was taken back to Romania. It might have been gone. Like the lost Philip de Laszlo.
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 06, 2012, 05:09:21 PM
George and Elizabeth :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/295254georgieelie.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=295254georgieelie.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2012, 07:06:01 PM
Taken in London ?
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 07, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
Taken in London ?

Not, in France, during a stay in Paris.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2012, 12:07:30 PM
I don't think the story between them was really told. When they were married. George was in love with Elisabetha, but she was not but she tried to make a good effort of it. The Greek Royal family (except Helen) did not warm towards the new comer. Queen Sophie did not give Elisbetha a single jewel, in fact she did not even let her see them according to Elisabetta.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on September 01, 2012, 07:39:07 AM
Queen Elizabeth visiting a refugee camp in 1923 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/3797572012020414413225.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=3797572012020414413225.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/8404642012020414413228.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=8404642012020414413228.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 01, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
Was she in mourning ? I notice the veil...
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Post by: miki_nastya on September 02, 2012, 07:29:04 AM
well I think she was..1923 was the year her father-in-law died..so maybe she was in  mourning for him
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 02, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Yes that might be it. Thanks.
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Post by: KarlandZita on September 29, 2012, 08:16:02 AM
George and Elizabeth in automobile :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/5339282012020414413233.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5339282012020414413233.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2012, 02:21:02 PM
A very striking pair. George was very handsome, while Elisabetta looked very dramatic in her attire.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Clemence on October 16, 2012, 12:42:08 PM
I don't think the story between them was really told. When they were married. George was in love with Elisabetha, but she was not but she tried to make a good effort of it. The Greek Royal family (except Helen) did not warm towards the new comer. Queen Sophie did not give Elisbetha a single jewel, in fact she did not even let her see them according to Elisabetta.

I' m so glad she didn't!
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on October 16, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
Given their former state of exile and how quickly it would all go to **** again, Sophie was wise to hang onto as many jewels as she could.

Elizabeth did have the large diamond & emerald paraure--composed of fabulous Romanov emeralds.

Ashdean, our resident expert, wrote:

"he emeralds were always classed as heirlooms and seem to have been handed over by one living Queen to the next.Olga circa 1914 to Sophie, Sophie after her husbands death to Elizabeth....As  the emeralds were not seen from the late 1930s to 1947 ( more because of WW2 than the divorce) it is difficult to ascertain exactly when they were returned to George or if he handed them over to Paul/Fredrica or they had to wait till his death to inherit them. What we do know is that the settings they were in from Elizabeths time...principally the diadem,earrings and large pendant stomacher (there is also at least a eighth emerald drop)have remained."

So, for the brief time she was actually Queen, Elizabeth had quite a nice set of jewelry.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
Elisabetta did have the emerald parure after Queen Olga died and left the jewels to George. So George have them to his wife Elisabetta and that was the "only" jewels she got from the Greek Family. If Sophie had her way, Elisabetta might not even have that. Missy was pretty miffed by Sophie's stinginess. She said "At least I gave her daughter a tiara" (that was the Greek Key tiara she bought from her sister Ducky). Elisabetta also also received the diamond chain with a large sapphire as part of her dowry. 
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 17, 2012, 05:44:09 PM
Queen Olga died in 1926--did George give them to her then? We've all heard the story of Sophie's 'stinginess' and Marie's reaction. However, I always feel a bit that Marie can go scratch over that issue. Marie was in a much stronger (and wealthier) position to greet Helen than Sophie was for Elizabeth. Sophie would barely have a year as a mother-in-law and reinstated Queen before she was driven into exile once again--and that time was spent with the country in a state of war. (As opposed to Romania which was basking in the limelight in post-WW1 Europe). Those emeralds were certainly as nice as anything Sophie herself had--the Romanovs didn't scrimp on their diamonds & emeralds. Plus, Elizabeth was able to alter it to put the E emblem into it and make it her own. That sapphire was also nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
Yes. Elisabetta got that pretty late in her marriage as she did not wore a lot of jewels before that. She had to borrow her mother's tiara for the Romanian Coronation. But as Queen of Greece, she was entitle to the jewels and Sophie cannot stop Elisabetta receiving them. I agree with Missy on this one, she was stingy. Not even a brooch and a necklace for your new daughter-in-law ? Come on ! Vicky gave Sophie quite a few pieces. Sophie had the big tiara from Vicky (later passed to Frederica), the small circular tiara (now owned by Princess Irene of Greece), the diamond fringe tiara (passed to Princess Irene, Duchess of Aosta) and plenty of choker and necklaces. When Elisabetta wrote about the jewels to her mother "she would not even let me see them". No wonder Missy was enraged.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 18, 2012, 09:47:29 AM
Wait a minute. George and Elizabeth married in Bucharest while most of the Greek royal family were in exile. Did Sophie even have access to the jewels at this point?

Maybe a misunderstanding when Elizabeth wrote to her mother saying that Sophie would not let her see the jewels.

Ann
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 18, 2012, 10:20:09 AM
Having had a quick look at wikipedia (not the best source, I know, but the writer is drawing van der Kiste's book: Kings of the Hellenes, which is reliable as far as I know), I think it quite possible that Sophie simply didn't have much jewellery in her possession at the time of the wedding.

According to wiki,  the day after Alexander's coronation in June 1917, the rest of the Greek royal family fled from Athens to the small part of Otropos. Since on the evening before the crowds in Athens had refused to allow them to go even as far as Tatoi, I rather think that they could not have managed to carry much with them. The earliest time Sophie could possibly have returned to Greece was when Constantine was restored as king on 19 December 1920 (none of the family, apart from Queen Olga, were allowed back before that, not even to visit Alexander on his deathbed - and even Olga got there too late). I haven't managed to establish whether Sophie went to the wedding in Bucharest from Athens or from exile - if the latter, it's hardly surprising that she didn't give her daughter-in-law very much.

The fortunes of the Greek royal family remained chaotic for the rest of Sophie's life. She and Constantine were exiled again in September 1923. Constantine died four months later and Sophie remained in exile until her death.

If Marie of Romania and her daughter were complaining about the size of wedding presents against all this background, it strikes me as pretty small-minded.

Ann

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
Sorry I don't buy that. I think Elisabetta was truthful in sating that "she did not allow me even to look at it". That proves that the jewels were in tact and Sophie did not gave her anything. If she did, Elisabetta would have included them in her letters to Missy. Years you see Elisabetta without any jewels and had to borrow from her mother. It was just a stroke of luck that Sophie cannot stop George from giving his wife (the Queen of Greece) her rightful jewels. Elisabetta never wore any piece of jewels that belonged to Sophie (only her daughters did).
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Post by: seriya on October 18, 2012, 08:41:58 PM
At that time, Marie of Romania was not good financial condition too. During WWI, Bucharest was captured by German. Bolsheviks deprived of Romanians gold and all crown jewels and never return it. Marie had lost almost all her jewelry.(including her dowry and her father's wedding presents! Marie was so devastated)
Marie said that "Not the smallest tiniest little atom of anything. Sophy has all her jewels, I lost all mine, yet we have made tremendous efforts to send her daughter a beautiful diadem." I don't think Marie was small-minded.
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Post by: Kalafrana on October 19, 2012, 05:32:51 AM
So both families in a difficult position, but the Rumanians' situation had settled down a bit, unlike the Greeks, who were still very much in the midst of crisis. With all this going on it seems a bit small-minded to be fretting about jewellery. Maybe in the immediate aftermath of Alexander's death and Constantine's shaky restoration, Sophie just had other things on her mind. Or maybe she had doubts about the marriage being a success.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
The truth of the matter was Queen Sophie did not like Elisabetta one bit and didn't help her with her new family.  Elisabetta wrote that the only person who was kind to her was "Sitta" (Helen of Greece). The fact that Sophie failed to give her daughter-in-law even a brooch or a ring proved that she was stingy and selfish beyond doubt. I think Elisabetta's later resentment to the Greek Royal Family has some basis in the cold treatment she got from Sophie and her in-laws. They never gave her a chance from day one.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 19, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
 
'The truth of the matter was Queen Sophie did not like Elisabetta one bit and didn't help her with her new family.'

Perhaps it wasn't surprising that Sophie didn't like Elizabeth. According to biographies of the playwright Terence Rattigan, Elizabeth became pregnant by Rattigan's diplomat father, and had an abortion (see Oxford DNB entry for Terence Rattigan). I haven't managed to pin down a date as yet, but if this happened at the time Rattigan pere was required to resign from the Diplomatic Service in 1922, she was already married to George but not married for very long, and if earlier, before she was married and presumably before they were engaged.

Ann
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2012, 01:04:43 PM
Don't think it happened after they were married. From Elisabetta's letters one sees a young woman trying hard to fit in with a family of strangers. Also Elisabetta never gave George any illusion about her marrying him. In fact she refused him many times before she finally said yes. Queen Sophie strikes me as being quite judgmental and unbending. Her own marriage was far from perfect (King Constantine did have female companions/mistresses  through out his marriage to Sophie). And according to one researcher Sophie did tore a page from Missy's book and had an affair. The result was rumored to be Princess Katherine, her youngest child. Who was her to judge Elisabetta ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2012, 02:06:35 PM
At that time, Marie of Romania was not good financial condition too. During WWI, Bucharest was captured by German. Bolsheviks deprived of Romanians gold and all crown jewels and never return it. Marie had lost almost all her jewelry.(including her dowry and her father's wedding presents! Marie was so devastated)
Marie said that "Not the smallest tiniest little atom of anything. Sophy has all her jewels, I lost all mine, yet we have made tremendous efforts to send her daughter a beautiful diadem." I don't think Marie was small-minded.


It was in 1921 when George and Elizabeth married. Marie was in a very good position and was, in fact, buying up a good amount of jewelry, including Romanov jewels, to help replenish the ones she had lost in the Russian Revolution. She bought quite a few from her sister Victoria Melita.
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Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Don't think it happened after they were married. From Elisabetta's letters one sees a young woman trying hard to fit in with a family of strangers. Also Elisabetta never gave George any illusion about her marrying him. In fact she refused him many times before she finally said yes. Queen Sophie strikes me as being quite judgmental and unbending. Her own marriage was far from perfect (King Constantine did have female companions/mistresses  through out his marriage to Sophie). And according to one researcher Sophie did tore a page from Missy's book and had an affair. The result was rumored to be Princess Katherine, her youngest child. Who was her to judge Elisabetta ?

Re Katherine: It's strange--I always thought she looked just like Constantine. Photos of him when he was older greatly resemble her.  Opinions may vary.

As for Elizabeth's affair, Marlene (who certainly knows of her QV descendants) wrote this on her blog:

"Rattigan was forced to resign from the Diplomatic Service 1922  due to his relationship with Princess Elizabeth of Romania, the eldest daughter of King Ferdinand and Queen Marie.  Rattigan and Princess Elizabeth had an intimate affair that had resulted in an unwanted pregnancy.  The Princess, who was about to marry the exiled King George II of the Hellenes,  underwent an abortion. "

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2011/07/princess-elizabeth-of-romania-and-frank.html

Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 19, 2012, 02:54:38 PM
So the affair with Frank Rattigan must have happened in 1919-20, though it was 1922 before the scandal caught up with Rattigan.


Eric
If you're claiming that Sophie also had an affair which produced a child, than you will need to specify your source.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Janet Ashton on October 19, 2012, 03:16:20 PM


Re Katherine: It's strange--I always thought she looked just like Constantine. Photos of him when he was older greatly resemble her.  Opinions may vary.


I've always thought she looked like a dark-haired version of Queen Sophie. She had the snub nose and slightly receding chin of Empress Frederick's three younger daughters, I think. Irene looked like Constantine - the long, strong face.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2012, 07:15:46 PM
Here's more from an online article:

"Frank Rattigan’s career—and the family’s comfortable life—was abruptly curtailed by his profligate ways. He was a gambler and a serial philanderer who made the fatal mistake of wooing Princess Elizabeth of Romania, soon to be the Queen of Greece. Amid rumors of an unwanted pregnancy and abortion, Rattigan was forced to resign and the family moved from their posh digs to a far lesser perch in a fourth-floor walk-up apartment. They were far from penury, what with family money and a modest pension, but they surely were in disgrace, and it was a reversal of fortune that deeply affected young Rattigan, particularly his relationship with his father. The enmity between them was never quite resolved, and found itself expressed in frequent fictive disguises throughout his career."

PS

Not to get too off-topic, but it's these kind of photos of older Tino which always make me notice the resemblance--perhaps the eyes seem more deep-set then when he was young?

(http://www.agiasofia.com/horton/konstantinos1914.jpg)  (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Princess_Katherine_of_Greece.jpg/220px-Princess_Katherine_of_Greece.jpg)  (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Constantine_I_of_Greece.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 20, 2012, 03:24:03 AM
Yes, the chin is similar.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 20, 2012, 03:40:11 AM
If Elizabeth's affair with FRank Rattigan happened shortly before the engagement to George, and Sophie found out about it, but too late to back out, it's unsurprising that she was a bit frosty towards this hussy that had snared her boy!

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2012, 03:20:59 PM
I don't think Sophie need any reason to dislike Elisabetta, she did not like Missy's family. She objected to the Karol/Helen match too.

Queen Sophie's affair was noted in a Spanish book about Queen Sophia of Spain's family.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 21, 2012, 12:55:47 PM
Just because someone is a relation, it doesn't mean you have to like her.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 21, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
So true Ann. I think most families have them. I do not like any of my relations, have not had any contact with them for over 40 years. And, we are half Greek.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
But if someone took the trouble of wanting to know your daughter (Missy to Helen), the least you can do is to return the favor. That is why I don't have much sympathy for Queen Sophie, even though she suffered much in life, she did not gave a break to others. Elisabetta deserves better.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 22, 2012, 02:27:27 AM
Elizabeth seems to have been a rather difficult person throughout her adult life. Maybe Sophie just found her hard to like.

And an obsession with jewellery at a time when your in-laws are lurching from one crisis to another seems distinctly grasping to me.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
I don't think so. Queen Sophie was just too judgmental. She did not even attend her sister Moretta's funeral. At least Kaiser Bill sent a wreath and Mossy arranged for her to be buried in Kronberg.

Not really. As a woman I thought you would have more sympathy on Elisabetta. women usually are sensitive on wedding gifts they received. My mother never like the gold bracelet my grandmother (mother-in-law) gave her and told us about it. I think Sophie was just being mean period.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 23, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
'As a woman......'

I love it! No, I have little sympathy with those females who are obsessed with their appearance. 

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2012, 08:21:34 AM
Well...I think what you personally think is not much of personal interest than what evidence proves.

1. Sophie wasn't sensitive to Elisabetta's feeling after she married into her family. I think she is mean. Missy was right to be outraged.  She at least gave Helen a chance.

2. Sophie got her jewels but couldn't spare a brooch or necklace to her new daughter-in-law. That is stingy.

3. Every evidence that Elisabetta wanted to start a new page with George (she might even told him of her affair and the reason why she refuse to marry him so many times). It was George who was sweet on Elisabetta. She never loved him. However in her letters to her mother, she vowed (in the early days) to be a good wife to George and truly admired him as a person and husband. But that wasn't love was it ?
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 23, 2012, 09:00:15 AM
Eric

Both of us are filtering the factual evidence through our own particular mindsets. The factual details are the same, but the interpretation is different.

Sophie of Greece and Marie of Rumania were first cousins, but seem not to have been particular friends. Maybe they were just too different in tmperament. In any case, as I have already said, being related does not of itself mean you have to be friends.

To my mind (though not to yours, clearly), it is not really surprising that Sophie may have had other things on her mind besides jewellery at the time George and Elizabeth married. Her husband had only just been restored to the Greek throne, and doubtless she was grieving for Alexander, who had died only four months earlier. Her daughter Helen married Carol only 11 days later. Given his past history (the Lambrino marriage) and the possibility that Helen was already pregnant (presumably by Carol - I am not aware of any doubts ever being raised about Michael's paternity), plus Marie's own scandalous history, plus the possibility that Sophie was aware of Elizabeth's recent affair with Frank Rattigan, it seems unsurpring that Sophie was less than enthusiastic about the marriage with Elizabeth (or indeed Helen's marriage to Carol). By the standards of the 1920s, one would have to be an unusually forgiving soul to put aside all that. And perhaps Carol's subsequent behaviour towards Helen coloured Sophie's attitude to Elizabeth? I don't know, but I find it rather sweeping to condemn Sophie as 'mean' and 'stingy'.

Can you post the3 relevant excerpts from Elizabeth's letters to her mother.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: seriya on October 24, 2012, 11:16:34 AM
Elisabeta was so embarrassed because queen sophie and her family deliberately spoke only Greek at dinner.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/seriya1011/00131110.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: grandduchessella on October 24, 2012, 02:47:24 PM
I can agree with that being mean behavior much more than the jewelry issue. Unlike the jewels, there is no excuse to be made (wartime, personal conflicts, etc) to warrant the deliberate exclusion of someone. That's just petty and doesn't reflect well on Sophie (who is someone I find interesting and misunderstood and have a positive view on overall) regardless of her personal feelings towards her son's wife.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
Indeed. The whole family gang up against her. She would arrive at the table when many languages were spoken and would switch to Greek when she sat down. Poor Elisabetta had to sit through the dinner without understanding a thing. She did include that episode in her letters to her mother. She wrote that George was good to her and she fully intend to be a worthy wife to him. Elisabetta felt lonely and friendless when her husband was called away on military business. She wrote "the only person that was very nice to her was Sitta (Helen)." That information was taken from an article published in Royalty Digest.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 25, 2012, 01:17:59 AM
Did Elizabeth make an effort to learn Greek?

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Kalafrana on October 25, 2012, 04:50:05 AM
Being cautious and a Devil's advocate here.

Do these letters saying that the Greek royal family spoke nothing but Greek when Elizabeth was there date from the beginning of their marriage, or later, when she and George had broken up?

Could it be that by speaking nothing but Greek, the Greek royals were trying to get Elizabeth to learn the language as rapidly as possible? It is, after all, a standard technique in teaching languages to go in for 'total immersion'. For example, a friend of mine tells me that when he went on a course at the Defence School of Languages there was one floor where no one could speak anything but Russian, all the signs and notices were in Russian, etc. Another floor was entirely Arabic and a third was entirely Malay. Hard going at first, but you do pick up enough to get by pretty fast.

Ann
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2012, 10:21:53 AM
The letters were from the early days. It was kind of mean to treat a newly wedded bride like this. It was to Elisabetta's credit that she held her head up. She also notice that they pulled Princess Andrew of Greece's leg with her lip-reading calling her "Alish"... As for leaning Greek, it took awhile for Princess Andrew & Princess Nicholas of Greece to learn Greek, did they expect Elisabetta to lean it over night ?

I have to admit I do not find Elisabetta's action commendable all the time. But her early letters to her mother praised the integrity of her husband and even though I think she never really "loved" him, she did sought to be worthy of his love and attempted to made good efforts. Sophie never gave her a chance.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on August 17, 2013, 07:20:31 AM
George and Elizabeth in 1928 with spanish relatives Queen Victoria Eugenie and Prince Alvaro :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/792986greekandspanish1928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=792986greekandspanish1928.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 18, 2013, 12:17:18 AM
No. I think it was Ali (Alfonso) not Alvaro (his son) with his wife Bee (head down) (Aunt & sister of Elisabetta's mother Queen Marie) greeting George & Elisabetta in 1928.
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: KarlandZita on October 12, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
Elizabeth in majesty :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/208637queen.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=208637queen.jpg)
Title: Re: King George II & Queen Elizabeth (nee Romania)
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
She got the look of a tragic queen.