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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Servants, Friends and Retainers => Topic started by: Janet Whitcomb on April 16, 2004, 04:16:32 PM

Title: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 16, 2004, 04:16:32 PM
Good question.  His book is rational and matter-of-fact and, I think, a good resource.  So anything else he left behind would be of value--and, of course, since his wife was the beloved Tegleva, any of her papers, etc. included with his collection would also be of interest.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Thierry on April 16, 2004, 05:11:48 PM
Hi !

I have been lucky during my studies, because I have been able to work on Pierre Gilliard's photographs, which are in a University library. But I cannot remember if his papers were there, too, but I think they were.

The best and most moving souvenir of my studies.  :)

Have a nice week-end.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Greg_King on April 16, 2004, 05:47:25 PM
Some of Gilliard's papers are at the Gilliard archive at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland.  However, as he admitted in the Anna Anderson Hamburg trial, he burned quite a bit of his notes, diaries, papers, etc.  Somewhere I have a list of what's in Switzerland but if I recall it seemed to consist mainly of photo albums and a few other personal items donated by his brother Daniel after Gilliard died.

Greg King
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: borgia on April 25, 2004, 10:59:56 AM
Did Tegleva and Pierre have children?
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Joanna on April 28, 2004, 08:40:29 PM
Hi Thierry !

That is an amazing experience! Can you describe the photo albums? Were they of the interior and exterior of the Alexander Palace, of Tsarskoye Selo town, of the Alexandria Villa Peterhof, of Livadia, of Spala? Were there photos of Pierre Gilliard's rooms in the AP, in Peterhof, etc.? Does the University of Lausanne allow photocopies of the photographs?

Many thanks
Joanna
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 28, 2004, 10:46:20 PM
Borgia, from what I've read, Pierre and Alexandra (a.k.a. Tegleva) were childless. What a shame, considering how child-oriented they were.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Thierry on April 29, 2004, 03:23:32 AM
Hi Joanna,

Unfortunately I worked only on photographs of the people, not of the buildings, by lack of time  :'(

The photos I had in hand were not in albums, but in files, to assure a better conservation. I do not know if you can have a copy of some of them. Sorry.

By the way, I will try to find you out the link between the Vyrubovas and the Pistohlkors. If I forget, do not hesitate to scold me in an IM  ;)
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Joanna on April 29, 2004, 09:15:58 PM
Many many thanks Thierry !

When I can conquer my feeling of intimidation again, I will attempt to contact the University! Mon dieu I do not know when that will be !!!!

How long before I can scold ???!!!!!

Joanna
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: chezarie borgia on May 04, 2004, 07:39:32 AM
Janet.Thank you.I had the feeling that the Gilliards had no children.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: elisa_1872 on July 21, 2004, 03:42:06 PM
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Through a very good friend, who actually studied at Lausanne University in the Mid Thirties, I received the memoirs of Pierre Gilliard (in French). Pierre Gilliard was her professor for quite a while and he dedicated this copy of his memoirs to her; she later dedicated them to me.

Mademoiselle M.M. de J. - I'm for ever in debt beyond measure.

Harald


Harald, what a wonderful little story. Perhaps you might scan the page? It would be lovely to see the great teacher's writing. :)
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Dawn on August 15, 2004, 12:55:37 PM
I am very interested to know all I can about Alexandra Tegleva who married Pierre Gilliard.  Where can I find pictures of her.  Also, was she a nurse to Aleksey?  I would appreciate any information you can give me.

Thank you so much! :)
Dawn
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Jimi on January 07, 2005, 05:26:30 AM


Does anybody know the specifics of Gilliard's role as palace tutor? Was he more closely involved with the children than the other tutors (Stanley Gibbs, Vladimir Voeikov, Peter Petrov)? Is it just because he was a writer and photographer that more seems to be known about him?

Also, if anyone can tell me why Gilliard was imprisoned with the Tsar and his family and the other tutors weren't, I'd be really grateful.

Cheers
Jimi
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Forum Admin on January 07, 2005, 09:33:50 AM
Actually, Gibbs was imprisoned with the IF as well as Miss Schneider. The simple reason was that they volunteered to stay with the family under arrest. All the servants and staff were given a choice to leave freely or agree to stay with the IF and be under the same arrest.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Jimi on January 10, 2005, 05:56:25 AM
Thierry (or anyone else), do you know how long the photos have been available to the public? Were they a recent discovery or are they quite well known?

I'm doing some research for a documentary programme and trying to found out how much of this is new information.

Much appreciation
Jimi
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Curt, San Francisco on February 11, 2005, 07:08:53 PM
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Gilliard's photo collection is currently being exhibited in the Elysee museum in Lausanne - http://www.elysee.ch/expos/expo22_en.html - unfortunately the article is only in French.

Does anybody know the specifics of Gilliard's role as palace tutor? Was he more closely involved with the children than the other tutors (Stanley Gibbs, Vladimir Voeikov, Peter Petrov)? Is it just because he was a writer and photographer that more seems to be known about him?


Hi Jimi,

I'm currently reading "Thirteen Years at the Russian Court" by Gilliard; it's in the Online APA History Books section of the Palace Main Menu.  What a cool read this is...he writes well and I am totally engrossed (perhaps the cold martini that I sip while I read helps!).  He covers the personal life of the IF as only an eyewitness could, lots of descriptions of daily life, and he brings an emotional sensitivity and understanding to them that helps me understand why the IF, particularly the Tsar and Tsarina, reacted to the swirl of events around them as they did.  Also, he writes sympathetically about them without lionizing them, in my opinion.

Anyways, I highly recommend it.  And thanks much for the link to the museum site.

Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: samcr on February 18, 2005, 03:59:21 AM
Hi

does any one know where I could get a copy of
"Thirteen Years at the Russian Court" in the UK cant find it in any
of the books shop!

thanks

Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Lisa on February 18, 2005, 04:16:51 AM
Here it is samcr!
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=gilliard&imagefield.x=0&kn=pierre&sortby=3&imagefield.y=0
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: hikaru on April 29, 2005, 04:17:45 AM
Nickname of Pierre Gilliard:
I have just noticed that the children of Tsar called Gilliard - Zhilik .
It is very funny , it sounds like zhulik - little thief.

About his papers: according to the one russian historical article, his diary now in GARF.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Lisa on April 29, 2005, 05:32:53 AM
After the Revolution, Gilliard came back in Switzerland. He finnished his studies (he stoped it in 1904).Then, he did some jobs in Italia and in a business school .  In 1926, he teach the modern French at the University in Lausanne and became his director and chairman until 1949. He dead on 30 may 1962 at Lausanne.
I know there is a Pierre-Frédéric Gilliard in our days, but I think it's his brother's son, Frédéric. I don't konw if they had children, he and Tegleva... :-/
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Lisa on April 29, 2005, 05:58:09 AM
For people who understand French, here are the Gillaird fund at The Bibliothèqye cantonale Universitaire de Lausanne: (Library of the university, Lausanne, Switzerland)
Département Manuscrits
FONDS:    GILLIARD, Pierre  
COTE:    IS 1916, IS 5419  
DIMENSION:    18 cartons, 1 boîte de diapositifs, 1 chemise grand format, 1 album photographique  
PROVENANCE:    Legs  
CONVENTION:    1962  
LIMITE DE CONSULTATION:   libre  
ETAT CLASSEMENT:    inventaire  
COLLECTION DES INVENTAIRES BCU NO:    III
NOUVEAUX VERSEMENTS:    2.2.2004 Souvenir sde Tzarskoé Selo - IS 5419 Album photographique - Achat  

Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Jebediha on November 18, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
How close was he really to the tsar and his family ???.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: nena on November 19, 2008, 08:17:42 AM
He became very close during war with IF, and he as a witness give us many interesting informations about Romanovs. Since he met with IF in 1905, till exile at Tobolsk/Ekaterinburg. It is interesting to mention that he owned rare photos of IF taken by him.
Try to read Thirteen Years at the Russian Court (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/gilliard/contents.html) - online at AP.
IMO, he is sometimes critic to OTMAA. And looks at things and happens very reality. 
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Rodney_G. on December 03, 2008, 06:25:13 PM
Pierre Gilliard was a native French-speaking Swiss, but what is known of his abilities in other languages.? Did he speak or understand Russian prior to going to Russia and eventual service as Imperial tutor? Presumably he learned it eventually over his time there. Same question with regard to English. Would his first 'interview' with Alexandra about the tutoring position have been in French, or English, since Alexandra was at least capable in both.

As for his  teaching French to the Grand Duchesses; since the 'total immersion' language teaching method probably wasn't used ,did he teach them 'in' English or Russian? The girls spoke both in the family setting.
What about Gilliard speaking with Gibbes? would that likely have been in French or English? What about Gilliard in social situations with the IF? I can't picture a sitdown lunch with the IF and intimates at Livadia being conducted in English, but neither can I imagine it in French. Were both Gilliard and Gibbes proficient enough in the Russian language to acquit themselves well in an almost all-Russian setting?
 I can't help it. I just wonder about these mundane things.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Jebediha on December 04, 2008, 10:39:51 AM
I  do belive he spoke russian.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Sarushka on December 04, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
IMO Gilliard must have been fairly proficient in Russian and/or English when he began teaching the imperial children, otherwise he would not have been able to communicate with his pupils, as their French skills were rather lacking. Of his first lesson with Olga and Tatiana in the fall of 1905, he writes:

"The contrast between anticipation and reality quite disconcerted me. To crown my discomfort, I had had an idea that my pupils were much more advanced than they actually were. I had selected certain exercises, but they proved far too difficult. The lesson I had prepared was useless, and I had to improvise and resort to expedients."

Gilliard's recollection of Aleksei's first lesson in 1912:

"I gave him the first lesson on October 2nd in the presence of his mother. The child was then eight and a half. He did not know a word of French, and at first I had a good deal of difficulty."


Incidentally, does anyone know whether Gilliard's memoirs were originally published in French or English?
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Rodney_G. on December 04, 2008, 05:16:47 PM
Yes.  "Treize Annees a la cour de Russie" was the first version of his memoirs, published by Payot in Paris, 1921. Even presuming he had become fairly fluent in English by this time, there's no way he would have published his first major work in other than his native language, and although parts of Switzerland are totally French speaking (including Lausanne where he ended up teaching) Paris is the obvious place to publish for a book like his. Also his intended audience would largely have been Western Europe in general and France in particular and French then was more of a lingua franca than English, unlike today.
I believe the Englsh version appeared in 1938 .
Back to my original question, I see in Nick Nicholson's brief bio of PG that he arrived in Russia in 1904. At the time of beginning his tutelage of Olga and Tatiana he would have been in Russia about a year. A short enough time, but perhaps enough for someone adept at language and with a university education like Gilliard. Also he was Swiss,that is, from a country with three major official languages and where bi- or trilingualism was promoted.
I still wonder about the language used by Gilliard in his various social and professional interactions with various members of the IF, including the youngest who certainly couldn't speak French for years. Gilliard and Nicholas face to face? Gilliard and Alexandra similarly?
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Reco on January 15, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
Thirteen years at the Russian court : (a personal record of the last years and death of the Czar Nicholas II. and his family)
Author: Gilliard, Pierre, b. 1879; Holt, Frederic Appleby, 1888-
Subject: Nicholas II, Emperor of Russia, 1868-1918; Soviet Union -- History 1917-
Publisher: London : Hutchinson
Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Language: English

http://www.archive.org/details/thirteenyearsatr00gilluoft

Downloads: 88
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 25, 2009, 04:55:19 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/th_img373.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/img373.jpg)
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Sarushka on September 25, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/th_img373.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/img373.jpg)

Excellent! Where did you find it?

May I have the unmarked photo via PM?
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 25, 2009, 09:34:03 AM
I´ll send the PM, don´t worry :)

I´ve got it from Czech version of "Alexei - son of the last Tsar" by Elisabeth Heresch
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Alyosha_Love on May 18, 2010, 09:10:40 PM
According to Massie's biography, Pierre Gilliard went on to teach at the University of Lusanne and was awarded a French Legion of Honor. I'm wanting to know if anyone knows in what year he was awarded this and what it was for specifically? I can't seem to find the year he got it anywhere and since he was alive into the 60's that's a very broad time spectrum. I'd be appreciative if anyone knows anymore!
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on May 25, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
According to Massie's biography, Pierre Gilliard went on to teach at the University of Lusanne and was awarded a French Legion of Honor. I'm wanting to know if anyone knows in what year he was awarded this and what it was for specifically? I can't seem to find the year he got it anywhere and since he was alive into the 60's that's a very broad time spectrum. I'd be appreciative if anyone knows anymore!

Alyosha Love,

Although I don't have reliable information, but according to my knowledge and experience Gilliard could have been awarded only with one of the lowest degrees of the Legion of Honor, either Chevalier or Officier. That lower degrees were/are awarded to different civil service and other civil achievements. All in all I think that it wasn't connected with Romanovs at all. Something like: "for longtime good service in University of Lusanne".

Btw, he was a foreign recipient (Swiss) and was awarded after WWII. Unfortunately, there is no reliable information (including French sources) about that time awards.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Alyosha_Love on May 25, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
Thanks very much for the information Nicola!

I did assume that it wasn't likely connected with the Romanovs, but it certainly is interesting. Even a lower class of that award seems to be quite an achievement.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Constantinople on May 27, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
My gut feeling is that he received the legiion of honor for being a prestigious French educator.  probably part of it had to do with being famous as a French tutor of the Russian Imperial family.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Constantinople on May 27, 2010, 12:03:28 PM
he was awarded the legion of order in 1921 and at this time he wold have been famous due to his association with the children of the Tsar so my feelling is that he received it for spreading French to Russia at a high level.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Antonina on October 28, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
Pierre Gilliard:
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/80766/80766_original.jpg)
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/80946/80946_original.jpg)
His wife Alexandra Tegleva:
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/81338/81338_original.jpg)
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/81634/81634_original.jpg)
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Rodney_G. on October 28, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Absolutely superb photos (and discoveries), Antonina!

The handsome young Zhilik and his distinguished elder self

Yes and Alexandra, Shura, so nice to see her face.

The eyes of both of them saw an awful lot of the events that draw us.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Antonina on October 28, 2013, 10:28:22 PM
And here is the source - amazing memories of their niece! In russian.
http://tzar.ru/science/research/tegleva#_ftn22
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Judicial Investigator on January 04, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
Александра Александровна Теглева, фото из опросного листа на выезд в Швейцарию, 1920 год

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4612/98255750.92/0_16cb25_2794624_orig)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/16132/98255750.92/0_16cb24_5d959419_orig)
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on April 06, 2016, 04:39:32 PM
how do you  pronounce  Gilliard
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Превед on April 06, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
how do you  pronounce  Gilliard

Phonetic transscription:: \ʒil.jaʁ\
Russian transliteration: Жильяр
Approximate English rendering: Zhill-yar

Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 07, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
how do you  pronounce  Gilliard

Phonetic transscription:: \ʒil.jaʁ\
Russian transliteration: Жильяр
Approximate English rendering: Zhill-yar


I'm not so sure about that English pronunciation part.My experience as an American somewhat francophone would have the final 'd' pronounced, thus:Zheell-yard. And as on the models of Juilliard, Montagnard, perhaps even billiard.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on April 07, 2016, 06:03:49 PM
thanks  that  helps  alot
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Превед on April 08, 2016, 09:49:36 AM
Approximate English rendering: Zhill-yar
I'm not so sure about that English pronunciation part.My experience as an American somewhat francophone would have the final 'd' pronounced, thus:Zheell-yard. And as on the models of Juilliard, Montagnard, perhaps even billiard.

I see your point. And wouldn't an English-based pronunciation of Gilliard start with [dʒ] instead of [ʒ]?
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 09, 2016, 03:23:24 AM
Approximate English rendering: Zhill-yar
I'm not so sure about that English pronunciation part.My experience as an American somewhat francophone would have the final 'd' pronounced, thus:Zheell-yard. And as on the models of Juilliard, Montagnard, perhaps even billiard.

I see your point. And wouldn't an English-based pronunciation of Gilliard start with [dʒ] instead of [ʒ]?
I would say you're probably right there.As I practiced pronouncing each option, the former seems better.And I ain't djoking.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: AdamPR on October 08, 2017, 01:14:06 AM
Having grown up in Switzerland, is it possible that Gilliard knew any German or Italian? I haven't seen or read anything that suggests so, but many Swiss people do speak French, German, and Italian.

Obviously he knew French, and I'm certain he knew Russian, but I'm not sure whether or not he knew English well either.
Title: Re: Pierre Gilliard
Post by: Превед on October 08, 2017, 05:11:52 AM
Having grown up in Switzerland, is it possible that Gilliard knew any German or Italian? I haven't seen or read anything that suggests so, but many Swiss people do speak French, German, and Italian.

Obviously he knew French, and I'm certain he knew Russian, but I'm not sure whether or not he knew English well either.

There were certainly plans and efforts to teach German in some or all high schools and some lower schools in his native Francophone Canton of Vaud in the last half of the 19th century. But whether it by that time had become mandatory in all high schools (as it appears to be today) I cannot say for sure. You can probably find the answer in this book:

Blaise Extermann: «Une langue étrangère et nationale. Histoire de l’enseignement de l’allemand en Suisse romande (1790-1940)», Editions Alphil, Presses universitaires suisses, 2013.

I would say it's quite likely that Gilliard, as a Vaudois born in 1879 (when German had enormous and rising prestige for the middle classes due to the unification and ensuing economic boom) and as a gifted and professional linguist knew German. It is much less likely that he knew Italian or English.